Atomic Heart also ran really well, despite being a UE game as well (though I really didnt like the game, but to its credit it put UE games from bigger studios to shame in terms of performance.)
@yoool7137 Laziness and greed. Devs will tell you the game is in a finished state and they're just putting in the finishing touches, the game then releases, and it's an absolute s**t show. Greed has taken over the gaming industry, with the large majority of games being an unoptimized mess. Remember when they said they were taking the time they had left in development to give the players the experience they deserved, then the game released and was and still is a broken unoptimized mess. That game is Jedi Survivor. AAA game development is in the worst state it has ever been in. I bet Lords Of The Fallen is a right mess at launch. I'll be surprised if it ain't. I hope I'm wrong.
Oh yeah, its Perfectly optimized and the Game itself also looks Brilliant, too. + The Game itself is just pure excellence!! I am 60 hours in now and can say, its by far one of the best Game i have played in YEARS! It is also better then Bloodborne (the World itself is a huge improvement, the variety)
On PC, the game also supports ultrawide resolutions. That shouldn't be a big deal, but for whatever reason From Software refuses to allow in their games. Even when playing Elden Ring, sometimes it will mistakenly be in ultrawide when you first load your game, but then black bars appear after a few seconds. You have to get a mod if you want ultrawide support which can potentially trigger anticheat software.
@@crestofhonor2349 yeah and one of my Goty with Baldur's Gate 3 that far, and it's to say optimisation and dev care and talent was the reason why some games are well optimized and why some are completely broken. UE4 or UE5, no matter, devs has to understand and use properly the tools at their disposition, because they are just that, tools.
@@kmj4nsenI’m not a big souls fan either, but if you have game pass, I recommend giving it a shot. I’m loving it and also playing it in tandem with a few friends, which makes it even better.
@@shreder75I agree about the parry window. Sometimes I feel like I got it perfectly, but it doesn’t register, saying I was too late. But I’ve made it all the way to the grand exhibition so I can’t be that bad at the game. I try every boss solo, but it’s nice to have the summon option in case I’m tired of beating my head against the wall and just want to progress.
Started on Series S in performance mode, then moved to PC a few hours in, absolutely smooth experience in both cases, can't remember the last time a new multiplatform release worked this well.
The fact that this game was made by like 40-70 people from a south Korean dev team that only has 1 other game under their belt is remarkable. I played on PC and it's one of the best optimized PC games released this year. From graphical fidelity alone, it's probably the best looking souls game of all time. The art direction is great as well to go with the great visuals. This is one of my favorite souls games ever, right up there with my favorite From Software games.
@@CheckmateStallioN I am having a really hard time getting excited for that. They've hyped up the graphics with it being in Unreal engine 5, but honestly....I think Lies of P looks better, like, a lot better. Especially in some of the gameplay for Lords of the fallen things like blood splash effects and other effects look straight up bad. And even the best parts just look average to me. The art design just doesn't do it for me. The combat and enemy a.i. just doesn't look great to me either. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but so far I'm just not excited for it. Especially coming straight from Lies of P I feel it'll be disappointing in comparison.
@@Trio3224 Lies looks very good but I wouldn't be surprised if the footage you are referring to from Lords is pre alpha footage or console footage. I'm sure on PC maxed out it will no doubt impress. The earlier footage of LotF doesn't look near as good as the latest footage they showed
@@CheckmateStallioN No I'm talking about even the new footage they just released like 5 days ago. For me, everything just looks kinda bland and generic, and many of the effects like blood splashes just look like low res stock elements they just stuck on. And I feel it will not look anywhere near as good as Lies of P. And obviously, games always look better when they're not running thru TH-cam compression. I'm sure the game will look better running natively on a high end PC. But the kinds of issues I have with the art direction and poor effects aren't things I think will look better once I see the game in person. That's just my opinion tho. I feel like many souls fans are excited for Lords of the Fallen and I genuinely hope it changes my mind and delivers.
I really liked this game a lot. Not just a decent clone of From Software's games, it truly lives up to them. Amazing first game out of this studio, and for a country that doesn't typically make games like this.
Major kudos to Neowiz, apparently it is possible to release a good looking AND properly performant game at high resolutions to boot! 40 fps quality mode for me, wish more games had these, if they fix the uneven frame pacing it would be perfection.
Bravo to the team for being able to pull this off even on PC with Unreal Engine 4. Many larger developers have games that performed much worse with the same engine.
Im trying to gage how far I am in the game right now (for time allocation for other games i am and will play). Im early in the actual factory of the factory area. Also is the drop you get from the bot that drops through the floor worth fighting it for?
@@xxxshinomorixxxreaching the end of the first quarter I would say. As for the loots, some upgrade mats if I recall correctly. The trick that worked well for me was waiting for his dash attack, dodge backwards when he starts it (its length is based on your position when he initiate it) then strike some few hits and run back to the opposite side of the arena
I would say it's heavily inspired by, as in it takes what was good, adds some variety and refines/innovates core mechanics. Not a complete rip, not totally original, very much in-genre but yep I'm more excited to see what they'll do next than I am to see what From do next, because this is a highly polished experience right out of the gate. If you compare it to the original Demon's Souls which was a lot more rough and had fewer tutorial notes, it is more player friendly too, despite still being pretty hard in places.
Such a wonderful game! Got all achievements a few days ago on XSX n was left wanting even more 😈. Can’t wait for DLC hehe. Played it on Performance mode w/ High FR off. I did notice (sometimes big) drops in framerate against certain very large enemies (won’t spoil it for anyone still playing) especially when they r surrounded by other enemies. Great video/tech analysis!
@@dogenaire69420 How? Just hit his leg and he falls down easily. What's the issue? His attack patterns are really basic too. If you don't like big, slow boss with large attacks, then shouldn't you complain about the rematch with the Parade Master?
I was absolutely amazed by the fact that not only is this game a consistent 60fps on Series S it also looks fantastic. This being on gamepass was a bigger win than Starfield for me.
@@hakangokhan9434 gamepass is good for trying out games. Yeah you don’t own the game, I prefer to buy mine. But for gamers on a budget, it’s a fantastic deal.
PC version deserves a look. Well optimized and no stutter. You guys should highlight games that are well made on PC instead of just looking at the terrible ones.
I’m really interested in hearing their thoughts on the PC version. I found it to be fantastic and one of the best PC ports out there. No stutter or frame drops at all.
Played it at launch and I was surprised by how well optimized this game is and even supports ultrawide. Unlike Fromsoft's games like Elden Ring for example, you had to dig in the files to make it work..
Runs at a stupidly high frame rate at 1440p maximum settings on my 4070ti, smooth as butter and really happy with it. Don't even need to use DLSS or any upscaling which is a welcome change.
When I tried the demo, I left unimpressed. However, I tried it out again on Gamepass and loving it. It took playing for a couple hours to get into it and really appreciate all the interesting gameplay mechanics that open up as you play.
Haha, it was the same for me, was very hyped and played the demo, and i didn't like it much. Then i played it also on game pass, and after 3-5 hours it just "clicked" and since then i LOVE this Game! I can say...it's a Masterpiece
The degraded shading is suggestive of some kind of real time GI right? I would usually expect baked shadows to have very minimal performance impact, this is actually one of the most noticable settings downgrades I've seen recently from quality to performance, and it feels like it's in a different way than I expect
I was expecting it to run at a dynamic 1440p resolution on the performance modes. It's insane that's it's lowest resolution count is still above 1440p while keeping a steady 60fps and occasionally getting to a near 4k resolution. That's some great optimization.
Finished the plat on this a few days ago and it was phenomenal. Really looking forward to both the planned DLC and whatever this studio does next. A definite must play for any fans of the genre.
I think the weapon building mechanic is the most fun. Mixing the effects is cool too, I just love the reliance on straight melee and timing vs magic (my souls go to is magic, its pretty easy lol). It forces me to actually get good at the very precise timing. Its just an overall precise game
The developer should be praised for delivering not only a fantastic game but one that looks better than most “next gen” games but also runs better as well.
I’m having a blast playing this at the same time as a couple friends. We’re all at the exact same spot in the game which makes it so much more fun, giving each other tips and seeing how our builds and choices differ from one another.
I’m playing on ps5 and this game is fantastic, I can’t believe it was made by such a small, relatively unknown developer! And the fact it runs at 60fps and still looks that good on series s is amazing
I used the 40 fps mode and didn’t really notice any issues. It felt very smooth and if there was frame pacing issues I just don’t notice it as I’m playing. It felt great and looked great
After seeing NotebookCheck's benchmarks on LoP (lower end gaming laptops easily getting 1080p 60fps) and stable performance modes on all consoles, a fairly well optimised Souls-like at/above 60fps feels illegal, something's not right.
I feel like the reason the game has frame pacing much like bloodborne is that it's running adaptive vsync - which cuts the input latency in half compare to vsync at 30 fps, and for a game like this that needs quick button input it's understandable
Just got the platinum trophy a few days ago, and I gotta say this might just be one of the best games I've ever played; I enjoyed it immensely, a solid 9/10 imo. Souls fans are eating good rn.
Really good release. Refreshing that a new game just works on all platforms. I switched between playing on max settings 165fps on PC to my Bedroom Series S in Performance Mode and the Series S held up completely well.
Indy devs actually optimizing how it shouls be. On the other hand we have AAA devs releasing halfe done games, and saying that well made games are "anomalies".
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Damn, that's some dedication. They even included the frame-pacing issues at 30 fps that Bloodborne is famous for.
@@wertywerrtyson5529what? The games that offer this already DO have a 60 fps mode. Your comment makes no sense “I don’t have a 120hz tv, so that means NO ONE should benefit from one” like bruh what?
@@tehCostHD I mean they should focus on making a good 60hz experience rather than focusing their resourcing on something only a minority of people can enjoy. If they do offer a good 60hz mode than of course it doesn’t hurt to also have a 40hz mode. I’m just afraid developers will forget about 60 and just target 30 and 40 fps.
Not sure if it's mentioned, but two things I've noticed. I had to turn off vrr on xsx because the game flickers nonstop with it enabled. And... In the game options, hdr off means it's actually ON. So if you're wondering why it looks dim and washed out on your hdr display, that's why.
@@gunstreets2944 surely it will, this game singlehandely removed all my boredom after spending like 2 weeks on starfield. I cant love that game but lies of p ,man o man
Yeah, the idea that series S is holding back games is just dumb. Series S Is a great console. Capable of running everything next gen has to offer. Just not at 4k/60. I'm actually surprised Xbox did something that was that pro-consumer. Could have easily only had the Series X skew and forced folks to spend that extra money. Not the best business decision, but definitely good for customers
What’s going on with DF constantly omitting the PC versions of new games now? Still haven’t see an Armored Core 6 PC tech review. Used to be that DF would include all the consoles plus PC in the initial tech review. Now we are lucky if we even get a separate PC tech review at all.
I don't get why some developers constantly complain about Series S, yet some just create a perfectly crafted game for the smaller brother of X - somewhat out of the blue.
Interesting is it not? While it is clear the Series S will have cuts in some titles, it makes one wonder just how badly optimized a lot of the game releases really are.
@@davidandrew6855 exactly, I am playing on Series S and I was like - wtf, how 😆 The same with Starfield, Cyberpunk, The Witcher. I guess some devs are a bit lazy.
I love the High Framerate Quality mode on my series x. Feels veeeery smooth and looks insanely good. I wish every new game would offer this (looking at you starfield).
True 4k on PS5 and Series X and 1440p on Series S, THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT!!! That’s how you make a game for these current generation of consoles 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Would be interesting to see you guys analyzing the MacOS port of Lies of P, it's one of the first in the upcoming "wave" (if we can even call it that) of AAA games coming to Apple platform.
You do realize Bloodborne is built opon the dark souls formula right? I love it when yall mention bloodborne as if its something different from the dark souls blue print. And on top of that..its made by the same developer as Dark souls
@gunstreets2944 Yet the art style and direction of Lies Of P is clealry inspired by BloodBorne with the combat being closer to Sekiro and BloodBorne than it is Dark Souls. No one who has played Lies Of P has thought, you know what this reminds me of, Dark Souls.
I'm able to play this game in upscaled 4k using fsr, at 60fps on low settings using my rx480 and fx8370... I've not even been able to play recent games at all, let alone with good settings. Crazy good optimisation.
What a beautiful looking game that runs almost flawlessly on the Xbox Series and PS5. Design decisions make a difference and decision to use UE4 paid off in spades as the resolution stays high even in performance mode. The protagonist remains fully visible at all times unlike Jedi Survivor and FF16.
@WesOtsutsuki920or just also have a PS5. Mines been turned off mostly since the FF16 demo failed to capture my attention plus the performance was really bad. But maybe Spider-man 2 will get it rolling again.
@WesOtsutsuki920on top of which Spider-Man 2 isn't out yet and damn sure won't be on PS plus when it comes out. So using that to argue against Gamepass is just dumb
@WesOtsutsuki920 superhero games are boring trash. Enjoy your boring single player, cinematic "games." I got a series X to play third party games on the best console, not exclusives.
Series X has some flickering issues when using VRR. The fix was to make sure FreeSync is enabled and then change the settings in my TV from "Wide" to "High". That completely got rid of the flickering.
@@bauul. yeah it's a shame too because proper HDR would seriously elevate the lighting and SSR's in this game. Which are good, but HDR would make it pop. Thankfully SDR is actually pretty well done in this game. Definitely doesn't look bad
Well there you go AAA Western devs it is possible to release a game that is feature compete, runs very well and looks really nice. All while providing a quality game with lost of depth and variety. This is how all AAA games should be on release day but more and more we are seeing games that are released years before they are ready and it is nothing short of robbery. Hats off to lies of p and the hard working people who made it. Thank you for doing your job and doing it well. After this success I hope that your company continues to grow and gets all the praise it deserves. 👏👏👏👍👍👌👌👌👌👌
This is impressive for sure this game but the thing is also many companies or devs go for open world games and don't optimize, have many boring NPC's and such things. They think we all need Witcher 3 Far Cry Creeds that aren't even good video games but we actually need more games that are like Lies of P and like PS2/PS3 era in modern with refined gameplay and machanics, awesome locations. They don't even make or rarely make normal action adventures or games like Bioshock. Triple A is terrible these days.
The performance mode on this game makes the shadows flicker on my LG C2 when in 120 hertz with VRR enabled. Had to cap to 60 hertz to stop the shadows flickering. It's a known LG OLED bug with VRR and 120 hertz
Lol I know its not the same thing, but I remember the days when less fog went to the more powerful console. Fog was used to hide the lack of processing power. Turok is a good example.
No mention of the stuttery movement animation (on S) is really bumming me out-- I was hoping there would be an explanation and potential solution in this video.
It's controller and analog movement, related. It happens on Series X too with a Series X or Xbox one controller. Doesn't happen with something like 8bit do pro 2 Xbox controller (I played the whole game with it), or with a Dualshock 4/Dualsense + adapter.
I put about 40 hours into it, even did a NG+ and overall I can say it's a great game, really enjoyed it. I also want to let people know that IT HAS A FANTASTIC SOUNDTRACK some seriously great tracks. I really had no issues with the game in general. The voice acting, story, combat, atmosphere, music, pretty much everything was awesome. The devs hinted at their next project/sequel possibly in the game, so I'm really hoping we see that down the road, they really have a pretty solid series/idea here if they can start making Souls-Like games based off fairy tales.
Don't know if its just me, but I find the amount of fog in the quality mode on Series X makes the game look very grey and washed out and makes the draw distance seem a lot shorter. I prefer the performance mode look.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the egregious VRR flicker. I've used my LG CX65 and XSX for dozens of games and never noticed it on any other game, but this game had horrendous flicker right out of the gate; I found it painful to look at. I had to turn off VRR on my console, and then it worked fine... just annoying to have to do that and remember to turn it back on when I play anything else. Otherwise, a handful of hours in, seems like a solid Soulslike (if a bit shameless at times). Definitely go for the performance mode on a game focused around timing and such.
That's weird. Maybe something to do with being on a CX, or a different hdmi cable (C1 here, default Series X cable). Let's hope the devs fix it then. @@remotecontrolaxe
@@user-ks2tp7li3f also using the cable that came with my XSX directly to the TV. Anyway, turning off VRR for this game isn't the end of the world, just annoying.
Yep, this game is weirdly optimized but I’m also not surprised about it considering it’s an amateur dev who made a copycat game for easy recognition. Very little original ideas went into this.
Also no one talks about Lantern, this thing is like X-ray beams, it's lights through walls, objects, there are no shadows at all, even in old DS2 torch works better
I have had exactly same flickering issue but my issue was flickering 1 or 2 Times per hour. I turn off hdr and hdr 10 in my xbox Series x and that issue is solved thank you so much for your info
I would have loved to see the 60 fps mode have the higher light settings and a lower resolution. I think that makes a lot more difference than the extra, idk, 300-ish p would have made
My first souls-like (thanks to gamepass Series X). After the initial pain (like dying 30 time to early bosses), once you start upgrading and getting good, the game found its charm. I like the aesthetics, the game performance run smooth, the story is decent, gameplay very good, and bit too linear. Being my first souls-like I cant compare to previous games so I judge the game for what it is, and cant miss out other games feature cause I never experienced those.
If anyone has issues with stuttery character movement on Series X, it's the controller's fault, not animations. Try a 3rd party controller like 8bit do Xbox pro 2, or a DS4/Dualsense with an adapter and no more stutters ! Series X and Xbox one controllers analog movement is stuttery for some reasons.
it's a soulslike released for 3 separate SKUs with 3 different modes. so i guess tom had to play at least the first few hours of the game 9 times. it get's tiring at that point. while i love the game, i don't envy this particular breakdown assignment for sure!
Something is off on my setup on Series X. I get constant flickering or "pumping" of the image. It's worse with HDR activated in the console's system settings but it's still noticable in SDR and makes the game virtually unplayable for me. I wonder if the HDMI cable is to blame. Series X is connected directly to an LG OLED C1.
@@user-ks2tp7li3f thank you all. It works for me as well. It's stupid that we have to use the workaround but at least I can give the game a try now. Let's see if it gets patched...
This game is fantastic! I played on Xbox Series X and did notice a couple of issues though. - VRR causes flickering, and has to be disabled to fix the problem. - The character animation seems stuck at 30fps when turning left/right while moving forward. It doesn’t seem to do this on the other platforms. Hopefully both get patched. Otherwise, it ran excellent at 60fps and looks great!
VRR works fine at 60hz, only flickers if the Series X is set at 120hz + VRR. The character stutter is not an issue with animations but with controler analog movement. For some reasons native Series X/One controller on Series X is stuttery. But if you use 3rd party controllers like 8bit do pro 2, or a DS4/Dualsense with adapter ? No stutter at all.
What’s crazy is my 1080ti from 2017 runs this at 120fps at 2560x1440 without any hitches. The next gen hardware is selling itself short. It should be able to deliver 90fps+
I beat the game recently on PC (without specters), was an incredible experience. One of the best Souls like games made yet. Replaying it now. Runs super smooth.
@@mattspeer01 I have a 3080/10850k PC, and run it at 1440p highest settings, and i am getting well over 60fps 99% of the time. Only a few points in the game i had some weird hitching, but was very rare.
@@mattspeer01definitely go with the PC version. I have a 2060 super i7-9700k and play @1080p with medium settings and i get a consistent 120+ frames without DLSS.
7 hours in and I'm loving this game. Bloodborne is one of my favorite games of all time and this game kind of makes me feel like I'm playing a Bloodborne sequel in a different setting😎
The uneven frame-pacing is just the devs trying to give us the authentic Bloodborne experience
You aren't wrong lmao.
Ah yes soulsborne games flaws are actually features
Hey, the frame pacing gives us an excuse to blame when we die 😂
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however BB has no 40 let alone 60 fps mode 😢
The fact for me this game just worked at launch and ran smoothly is such a rarity nowdays
it really looks good, its really good optimized for pc...and it was their first big game ...game devs are weird...i wonder why its so random
@@yoool7137and it's also UE4 which is common for issues
Atomic Heart also ran really well, despite being a UE game as well (though I really didnt like the game, but to its credit it put UE games from bigger studios to shame in terms of performance.)
Atomic heart was junky as f
@yoool7137
Laziness and greed.
Devs will tell you the game is in a finished state and they're just putting in the finishing touches, the game then releases, and it's an absolute s**t show.
Greed has taken over the gaming industry, with the large majority of games being an unoptimized mess.
Remember when they said they were taking the time they had left in development to give the players the experience they deserved, then the game released and was and still is a broken unoptimized mess.
That game is Jedi Survivor.
AAA game development is in the worst state it has ever been in.
I bet Lords Of The Fallen is a right mess at launch. I'll be surprised if it ain't.
I hope I'm wrong.
Wow a well optimized game in 2023 by a small studio. Great job to the dev team.
People thought it would get delayed too, and it didn't. Everything proceeded at a good schedule it seems
@@cosmosofinfinity The game actually did get delayed. It was supposed to come out in August of 2023.
And on UE4 no less
Oh yeah, its Perfectly optimized and the Game itself also looks Brilliant, too.
+ The Game itself is just pure excellence!!
I am 60 hours in now and can say, its by far one of the best Game i have played in YEARS!
It is also better then Bloodborne (the World itself is a huge improvement, the variety)
On PC, the game also supports ultrawide resolutions. That shouldn't be a big deal, but for whatever reason From Software refuses to allow in their games.
Even when playing Elden Ring, sometimes it will mistakenly be in ultrawide when you first load your game, but then black bars appear after a few seconds. You have to get a mod if you want ultrawide support which can potentially trigger anticheat software.
This seems like one of the most competent unreal engine games this generation. Especially the Series S version looks really good for what it is.
Maybe because it's UE4
Jedi survivor, redfall and Gollum are also UE 4. This is just really well optimized game on front-end and back-end.
Hi-Fi Rush was another great UE4 gamr this generation
@@crestofhonor2349 yeah and one of my Goty with Baldur's Gate 3 that far, and it's to say optimisation and dev care and talent was the reason why some games are well optimized and why some are completely broken. UE4 or UE5, no matter, devs has to understand and use properly the tools at their disposition, because they are just that, tools.
@@Ast0sHbaldurs gate runs terribly that's not a good example.
Such a beautiful and well polished game. Deserves alot of respect
Looks good indeed, too bad Souls style games are not my cup of tea.
It's very polished, but i still think the perfect parry window is too small and the backstab is wonky
@@kmj4nsenI’m not a big souls fan either, but if you have game pass, I recommend giving it a shot. I’m loving it and also playing it in tandem with a few friends, which makes it even better.
@@shreder75I agree about the parry window. Sometimes I feel like I got it perfectly, but it doesn’t register, saying I was too late. But I’ve made it all the way to the grand exhibition so I can’t be that bad at the game. I try every boss solo, but it’s nice to have the summon option in case I’m tired of beating my head against the wall and just want to progress.
Lol an “unreal engine” game being polished. They all look and play the same.
Started on Series S in performance mode, then moved to PC a few hours in, absolutely smooth experience in both cases, can't remember the last time a new multiplatform release worked this well.
Lol series S
Same here. Just started today. Series s version was surprisingly good
The fact that this game was made by like 40-70 people from a south Korean dev team that only has 1 other game under their belt is remarkable.
I played on PC and it's one of the best optimized PC games released this year. From graphical fidelity alone, it's probably the best looking souls game of all time. The art direction is great as well to go with the great visuals.
This is one of my favorite souls games ever, right up there with my favorite From Software games.
Really hoping the same can be said for Lords of the Fallen on PC. That game looks very graphically demanding tho so we will see
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I am having a really hard time getting excited for that. They've hyped up the graphics with it being in Unreal engine 5, but honestly....I think Lies of P looks better, like, a lot better. Especially in some of the gameplay for Lords of the fallen things like blood splash effects and other effects look straight up bad. And even the best parts just look average to me. The art design just doesn't do it for me. The combat and enemy a.i. just doesn't look great to me either. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but so far I'm just not excited for it. Especially coming straight from Lies of P I feel it'll be disappointing in comparison.
@@Trio3224 Lies looks very good but I wouldn't be surprised if the footage you are referring to from Lords is pre alpha footage or console footage. I'm sure on PC maxed out it will no doubt impress. The earlier footage of LotF doesn't look near as good as the latest footage they showed
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No I'm talking about even the new footage they just released like 5 days ago. For me, everything just looks kinda bland and generic, and many of the effects like blood splashes just look like low res stock elements they just stuck on. And I feel it will not look anywhere near as good as Lies of P.
And obviously, games always look better when they're not running thru TH-cam compression. I'm sure the game will look better running natively on a high end PC. But the kinds of issues I have with the art direction and poor effects aren't things I think will look better once I see the game in person.
That's just my opinion tho. I feel like many souls fans are excited for Lords of the Fallen and I genuinely hope it changes my mind and delivers.
@@Trio3224 we will have to wait for Steam reviews and DF's deep dive. I hope it delivers as it has the potential
I really liked this game a lot. Not just a decent clone of From Software's games, it truly lives up to them. Amazing first game out of this studio, and for a country that doesn't typically make games like this.
Second game actually if I'm not mistaken. Bless Unleashed was their first.
cant agree more. its not souls-like game, its souls game on its own for me
@@ahriikwe dont talk about that
Agreed. Lies of P is a great game. Looks fantastic, plays very well and runs smooth. Can't wait to see more of them.
Major kudos to Neowiz, apparently it is possible to release a good looking AND properly performant game at high resolutions to boot! 40 fps quality mode for me, wish more games had these, if they fix the uneven frame pacing it would be perfection.
Bravo to the team for being able to pull this off even on PC with Unreal Engine 4. Many larger developers have games that performed much worse with the same engine.
Like Jedi survivor lol
Absolutely love this game. A true love letter to Fromsoftware. But having played through it, I can confirm it stands on its own.
I agree. At first I thought it was just a bloodborne type game, but it does do its own things
Im trying to gage how far I am in the game right now (for time allocation for other games i am and will play). Im early in the actual factory of the factory area. Also is the drop you get from the bot that drops through the floor worth fighting it for?
@@xxxshinomorixxxreaching the end of the first quarter I would say. As for the loots, some upgrade mats if I recall correctly. The trick that worked well for me was waiting for his dash attack, dodge backwards when he starts it (its length is based on your position when he initiate it) then strike some few hits and run back to the opposite side of the arena
@xxxshinomorixxx you're almost about 10% through the game at that point. I dont remember what it drops but i always kill all enemies regardless.
I would say it's heavily inspired by, as in it takes what was good, adds some variety and refines/innovates core mechanics. Not a complete rip, not totally original, very much in-genre but yep I'm more excited to see what they'll do next than I am to see what From do next, because this is a highly polished experience right out of the gate. If you compare it to the original Demon's Souls which was a lot more rough and had fewer tutorial notes, it is more player friendly too, despite still being pretty hard in places.
Such a wonderful game! Got all achievements a few days ago on XSX n was left wanting even more 😈. Can’t wait for DLC hehe. Played it on Performance mode w/ High FR off. I did notice (sometimes big) drops in framerate against certain very large enemies (won’t spoil it for anyone still playing) especially when they r surrounded by other enemies. Great video/tech analysis!
Door guardian ruined the game
@@dogenaire69420 How? Just hit his leg and he falls down easily.
What's the issue?
His attack patterns are really basic too.
If you don't like big, slow boss with large attacks, then shouldn't you complain about the rematch with the Parade Master?
@@dogenaire69420 The door Guardian is a joke. Lol
I was absolutely amazed by the fact that not only is this game a consistent 60fps on Series S it also looks fantastic. This being on gamepass was a bigger win than Starfield for me.
Why’re you celebrating the fact that you’re borrowing games? 😂😂
@@hakangokhan9434 gamepass is good for trying out games. Yeah you don’t own the game, I prefer to buy mine. But for gamers on a budget, it’s a fantastic deal.
@@hakangokhan9434he is playing the game and likes it....whats the problem?
@@ctestdummy83 he’s not just playing the game and liking it he’s mentioning lame pass hence my question wtf is wrong with you?
@@hakangokhan9434I really don’t like microsoft either, but you’re being weirdly aggressive here
PC version deserves a look. Well optimized and no stutter. You guys should highlight games that are well made on PC instead of just looking at the terrible ones.
Well done with the optimization of this game!
So turns out you CAN make a beautiful soulslike game, that works great on every console since day one without dozens of patches... interesting
I’m really interested in hearing their thoughts on the PC version. I found it to be fantastic and one of the best PC ports out there. No stutter or frame drops at all.
Agreed, it runs amazing on both the 4080 and the Rog Ally. Becoming my favorite game of the year!
Played it at launch and I was surprised by how well optimized this game is and even supports ultrawide. Unlike Fromsoft's games like Elden Ring for example, you had to dig in the files to make it work..
I agree, it surprised me to see how stable and consistent the PC version is and it made me wanna support these devs even more.
Runs at a stupidly high frame rate at 1440p maximum settings on my 4070ti, smooth as butter and really happy with it. Don't even need to use DLSS or any upscaling which is a welcome change.
Well, that settles on what platform I'm buying my copy on, once I have the time. PC it is!
When I tried the demo, I left unimpressed. However, I tried it out again on Gamepass and loving it. It took playing for a couple hours to get into it and really appreciate all the interesting gameplay mechanics that open up as you play.
Haha, it was the same for me, was very hyped and played the demo, and i didn't like it much.
Then i played it also on game pass, and after 3-5 hours it just "clicked" and since then i LOVE this Game!
I can say...it's a Masterpiece
The degraded shading is suggestive of some kind of real time GI right? I would usually expect baked shadows to have very minimal performance impact, this is actually one of the most noticable settings downgrades I've seen recently from quality to performance, and it feels like it's in a different way than I expect
Every new game now should have a 40fps mode on console
40fps 😂😂 console really sucks
I was expecting it to run at a dynamic 1440p resolution on the performance modes. It's insane that's it's lowest resolution count is still above 1440p while keeping a steady 60fps and occasionally getting to a near 4k resolution. That's some great optimization.
Finished the plat on this a few days ago and it was phenomenal. Really looking forward to both the planned DLC and whatever this studio does next. A definite must play for any fans of the genre.
You're absolutely right, it is truely Phenomenal!!
40 fps team hands up!
Best of both worlds!
I think the weapon building mechanic is the most fun. Mixing the effects is cool too, I just love the reliance on straight melee and timing vs magic (my souls go to is magic, its pretty easy lol). It forces me to actually get good at the very precise timing. Its just an overall precise game
The developer should be praised for delivering not only a fantastic game but one that looks better than most “next gen” games but also runs better as well.
I’m having a blast playing this at the same time as a couple friends. We’re all at the exact same spot in the game which makes it so much more fun, giving each other tips and seeing how our builds and choices differ from one another.
I’m playing on ps5 and this game is fantastic, I can’t believe it was made by such a small, relatively unknown developer! And the fact it runs at 60fps and still looks that good on series s is amazing
I used the 40 fps mode and didn’t really notice any issues. It felt very smooth and if there was frame pacing issues I just don’t notice it as I’m playing. It felt great and looked great
With vrr its not very noticeable.
40fps steam deck mode lol.
Agreed, on my XSX using VRR it felt butter smooth.
After seeing NotebookCheck's benchmarks on LoP (lower end gaming laptops easily getting 1080p 60fps) and stable performance modes on all consoles, a fairly well optimised Souls-like at/above 60fps feels illegal, something's not right.
I feel like the reason the game has frame pacing much like bloodborne is that it's running adaptive vsync - which cuts the input latency in half compare to vsync at 30 fps, and for a game like this that needs quick button input it's understandable
I was hoping Tom would review this, as he looks quite like the games protagonist! Nice review
Just got the platinum trophy a few days ago, and I gotta say this might just be one of the best games I've ever played; I enjoyed it immensely, a solid 9/10 imo. Souls fans are eating good rn.
I’m a DS1 purist, this game has been incredible so far, really stands on its own
I feel
This guy's proved that it is possible to optimize unreal engine games. The Pc version is also pristine.
Really good release. Refreshing that a new game just works on all platforms. I switched between playing on max settings 165fps on PC to my Bedroom Series S in Performance Mode and the Series S held up completely well.
Indy devs actually optimizing how it shouls be. On the other hand we have AAA devs releasing halfe done games, and saying that well made games are "anomalies".
Damn, that's some dedication. They even included the frame-pacing issues at 30 fps that Bloodborne is famous for.
The PC version is an absolute joy. It runs like a dream, even on the Steam Deck at 720p/40fps on Medium settings.
I've only been playing on pc and I have to say, this game runs absolutely beautifully. it's so refreshing to have a well running game at launch.
Love to see more games support 40fps mode on 120hrz displays
I rather see them focus on making 60fps. I have a 2021 TV and it doesn’t have 120hz. Many people don’t have TVs that support 120hz.
I agree, I really wish we would see a lot more games provide 40fps modes
@@wertywerrtyson5529you should really get one
@@wertywerrtyson5529what? The games that offer this already DO have a 60 fps mode. Your comment makes no sense “I don’t have a 120hz tv, so that means NO ONE should benefit from one” like bruh what?
@@tehCostHD I mean they should focus on making a good 60hz experience rather than focusing their resourcing on something only a minority of people can enjoy. If they do offer a good 60hz mode than of course it doesn’t hurt to also have a 40hz mode. I’m just afraid developers will forget about 60 and just target 30 and 40 fps.
Not sure but in performance mod on PS5 looks like there is some artifacts around hands (for example) from image reconstruction
Not sure if it's mentioned, but two things I've noticed.
I had to turn off vrr on xsx because the game flickers nonstop with it enabled. And...
In the game options, hdr off means it's actually ON. So if you're wondering why it looks dim and washed out on your hdr display, that's why.
Nobody mentions Steelrising when talking about this game. Very strange. They have the same plot/setting, basically.
And Steelrising had more interesting designs and a really unique art style.
One of the best optimized game that came this year. Plus its on gamepass😂
100% fact. Not one of the best tho..its THE BEST. And after more patches come out it will run even better
@@gunstreets2944 surely it will, this game singlehandely removed all my boredom after spending like 2 weeks on starfield. I cant love that game but lies of p ,man o man
xbox series s is holding back gaming my ass lol allot of devs are just below mid i love to see devs actually optimizing for the lil console
Yeah, the idea that series S is holding back games is just dumb. Series S Is a great console. Capable of running everything next gen has to offer. Just not at 4k/60. I'm actually surprised Xbox did something that was that pro-consumer. Could have easily only had the Series X skew and forced folks to spend that extra money. Not the best business decision, but definitely good for customers
What’s going on with DF constantly omitting the PC versions of new games now? Still haven’t see an Armored Core 6 PC tech review. Used to be that DF would include all the consoles plus PC in the initial tech review. Now we are lucky if we even get a separate PC tech review at all.
I don't get why some developers constantly complain about Series S, yet some just create a perfectly crafted game for the smaller brother of X - somewhat out of the blue.
Interesting is it not? While it is clear the Series S will have cuts in some titles, it makes one wonder just how badly optimized a lot of the game releases really are.
@@davidandrew6855 exactly, I am playing on Series S and I was like - wtf, how 😆 The same with Starfield, Cyberpunk, The Witcher. I guess some devs are a bit lazy.
I love the High Framerate Quality mode on my series x. Feels veeeery smooth and looks insanely good. I wish every new game would offer this (looking at you starfield).
How did the publisher/dev go from Bless and Bless Unleashed to Lies of P? Amazing game can't believe they pulled it off
40 FPS + VRR is the way to go
See, developers? This is how you properly use UE4. Looking at you, Respawn.
Can't believe they emulated Fromsoftware down to the frame pacing issues! Seriously, this is a polished and honestly classy release. Well done!
True 4k on PS5 and Series X and 1440p on Series S, THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT!!! That’s how you make a game for these current generation of consoles 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I love these videos but I'm also so happy I almost never notice any of this stuff when I'm playing.
Would be interesting to see you guys analyzing the MacOS port of Lies of P, it's one of the first in the upcoming "wave" (if we can even call it that) of AAA games coming to Apple platform.
It's more BloodBorne and Sekrio than it is Dark Souls.
You do realize Bloodborne is built opon the dark souls formula right? I love it when yall mention bloodborne as if its something different from the dark souls blue print. And on top of that..its made by the same developer as Dark souls
@gunstreets2944
Yet the art style and direction of Lies Of P is clealry inspired by BloodBorne with the combat being closer to Sekiro and BloodBorne than it is Dark Souls.
No one who has played Lies Of P has thought, you know what this reminds me of, Dark Souls.
I'm able to play this game in upscaled 4k using fsr, at 60fps on low settings using my rx480 and fx8370... I've not even been able to play recent games at all, let alone with good settings. Crazy good optimisation.
Why? Play high setting 1080p
What a beautiful looking game that runs almost flawlessly on the Xbox Series and PS5.
Design decisions make a difference and decision to use UE4 paid off in spades as the resolution stays high even in performance mode. The protagonist remains fully visible at all times unlike Jedi Survivor and FF16.
AA studio puting a lot of big AAA juggernaughts to shame with how well they optimised the game and how many options are there.
Played it through twice on Series X and performance mode was flawless, plus being free on game pass was a big bonus
@WesOtsutsuki920or just also have a PS5. Mines been turned off mostly since the FF16 demo failed to capture my attention plus the performance was really bad. But maybe Spider-man 2 will get it rolling again.
@WesOtsutsuki920on top of which Spider-Man 2 isn't out yet and damn sure won't be on PS plus when it comes out. So using that to argue against Gamepass is just dumb
@WesOtsutsuki920someone is salty, damn.
@WesOtsutsuki920 just stop
@WesOtsutsuki920 superhero games are boring trash. Enjoy your boring single player, cinematic "games."
I got a series X to play third party games on the best console, not exclusives.
Series X has some flickering issues when using VRR. The fix was to make sure FreeSync is enabled and then change the settings in my TV from "Wide" to "High". That completely got rid of the flickering.
I was hoping they would touch on the HDR problems. It currently looks better in SDR than in HDR. Would have liked to see that addressed
I also ended up turning off HDR. It seemed like it just washed the image out.
@@bauul. yeah it's a shame too because proper HDR would seriously elevate the lighting and SSR's in this game. Which are good, but HDR would make it pop. Thankfully SDR is actually pretty well done in this game. Definitely doesn't look bad
Well there you go AAA Western devs it is possible to release a game that is feature compete, runs very well and looks really nice. All while providing a quality game with lost of depth and variety. This is how all AAA games should be on release day but more and more we are seeing games that are released years before they are ready and it is nothing short of robbery. Hats off to lies of p and the hard working people who made it. Thank you for doing your job and doing it well. After this success I hope that your company continues to grow and gets all the praise it deserves. 👏👏👏👍👍👌👌👌👌👌
This is impressive for sure this game but the thing is also many companies or devs go for open world games and don't optimize, have many boring NPC's and such things. They think we all need Witcher 3 Far Cry Creeds that aren't even good video games but we actually need more games that are like Lies of P and like PS2/PS3 era in modern with refined gameplay and machanics, awesome locations. They don't even make or rarely make normal action adventures or games like Bioshock. Triple A is terrible these days.
The performance mode on this game makes the shadows flicker on my LG C2 when in 120 hertz with VRR enabled. Had to cap to 60 hertz to stop the shadows flickering. It's a known LG OLED bug with VRR and 120 hertz
I beat it on PC and with a 3080 I got rocksolid 165FPS at 1440p Ultra DLSS Quality and my GPU wasn't even sweating.
Lol I know its not the same thing, but I remember the days when less fog went to the more powerful console. Fog was used to hide the lack of processing power. Turok is a good example.
There's a bit of pop-in on the Series X and frame pacing issues in performance mode too.
I really hope you can take a look at the MacOS version. I would like to listen your take on it. Thanks!
I'm on NG+ and i play it on performance mode.
It's flawless ❤
I’m surprised the PC version has seemingly no issues. It even runs beyond 60 fps, though the 30 fps cloth physics are still there.
Shocked no PC coverage. Game runs great on PC even with Denuvo.
No mention of the stuttery movement animation (on S) is really bumming me out-- I was hoping there would be an explanation and potential solution in this video.
What stutter movement animation?
Because I'm playing s as well and don't know what you're talking about
It's controller and analog movement, related. It happens on Series X too with a Series X or Xbox one controller.
Doesn't happen with something like 8bit do pro 2 Xbox controller (I played the whole game with it), or with a Dualshock 4/Dualsense + adapter.
I put about 40 hours into it, even did a NG+ and overall I can say it's a great game, really enjoyed it. I also want to let people know that IT HAS A FANTASTIC SOUNDTRACK some seriously great tracks. I really had no issues with the game in general. The voice acting, story, combat, atmosphere, music, pretty much everything was awesome.
The devs hinted at their next project/sequel possibly in the game, so I'm really hoping we see that down the road, they really have a pretty solid series/idea here if they can start making Souls-Like games based off fairy tales.
100% THIS!!
You nailed it! 😉
Don't know if its just me, but I find the amount of fog in the quality mode on Series X makes the game look very grey and washed out and makes the draw distance seem a lot shorter. I prefer the performance mode look.
40 fps is best mode in my opinion. You get all visual effects, and only drops resolution slightly
Shading and especially GI and Volumetric fog quality just take a huge hit imho. I don’t think that they could not optimize it better
I'm surprised you didn't mention the egregious VRR flicker. I've used my LG CX65 and XSX for dozens of games and never noticed it on any other game, but this game had horrendous flicker right out of the gate; I found it painful to look at. I had to turn off VRR on my console, and then it worked fine... just annoying to have to do that and remember to turn it back on when I play anything else.
Otherwise, a handful of hours in, seems like a solid Soulslike (if a bit shameless at times). Definitely go for the performance mode on a game focused around timing and such.
You can keep VRR without flicker if you use 60hz instead of 120hz on your Series X.
@@user-ks2tp7li3f you know, someone on Reddit said that too. I tried it but still saw crazy flicker, unfortunately.
That's weird. Maybe something to do with being on a CX, or a different hdmi cable (C1 here, default Series X cable). Let's hope the devs fix it then. @@remotecontrolaxe
@@user-ks2tp7li3f also using the cable that came with my XSX directly to the TV. Anyway, turning off VRR for this game isn't the end of the world, just annoying.
maybe your panel is not good anymore..have the CX and no problems at all as said VRR 60h is the way to go .
Played the whole game through on PS5 performance mode and barely ever noticed any dropped frames. Simply incredible.
VRR doesn't work on this game for series X. With VRR enabled, you get some strange flickers in series X
Yep, this game is weirdly optimized but I’m also not surprised about it considering it’s an amateur dev who made a copycat game for easy recognition. Very little original ideas went into this.
One of the most polished games this year. Which sadly is a rarity and not a norm. Great work by NEOWIZ
Awesome example of a game made with series S in mind
Also no one talks about Lantern, this thing is like X-ray beams, it's lights through walls, objects, there are no shadows at all, even in old DS2 torch works better
I have had exactly same flickering issue but my issue was flickering 1 or 2 Times per hour. I turn off hdr and hdr 10 in my xbox Series x and that issue is solved thank you so much for your info
I would have loved to see the 60 fps mode have the higher light settings and a lower resolution. I think that makes a lot more difference than the extra, idk, 300-ish p would have made
With FSR2 to upscale the resolution back to 4k, yeah. Otherwise it's probably not worth it
This game is absolutely fantastic. It took 4 days and 20 hrs to 100% I can't wait for the Wizard of Oz game!
Munchkins will be fast and carrying poisoned lolipops.
The wizard of cockoz? 🤨
We dont know if it will be a wizard of oz game or DLC. Im REALLY hope for a full on game but i would still enjoy a DLC too
@@kami3449 They stated that they will be making other games based on different fairytale.
The fact that they have an uneven 30fps mode is hilarious. True respect for the format.
My first souls-like (thanks to gamepass Series X). After the initial pain (like dying 30 time to early bosses), once you start upgrading and getting good, the game found its charm. I like the aesthetics, the game performance run smooth, the story is decent, gameplay very good, and bit too linear. Being my first souls-like I cant compare to previous games so I judge the game for what it is, and cant miss out other games feature cause I never experienced those.
I play on XSX using hfr mode 40fps/120 Hz . For me is the best choice
No mention of the VRR flicker on Xbox? It's damn annoying and many people prob don't know that turning off VRR get's rid of it.
If anyone has issues with stuttery character movement on Series X, it's the controller's fault, not animations.
Try a 3rd party controller like 8bit do Xbox pro 2, or a DS4/Dualsense with an adapter and no more stutters !
Series X and Xbox one controllers analog movement is stuttery for some reasons.
This is seriously impressive
Wow, almost a whole 3 weeks for the breakdown. Great game for sure I can’t wait to see how Lords of the Fallen stacks up to Lies of P
it's a soulslike released for 3 separate SKUs with 3 different modes. so i guess tom had to play at least the first few hours of the game 9 times. it get's tiring at that point. while i love the game, i don't envy this particular breakdown assignment for sure!
The first Lord's of the Fallen was great. As much as people hated on it. The hand gauntlet was a neat addition to it.
I wish more games have a 40 mode
Something is off on my setup on Series X. I get constant flickering or "pumping" of the image. It's worse with HDR activated in the console's system settings but it's still noticable in SDR and makes the game virtually unplayable for me. I wonder if the HDMI cable is to blame. Series X is connected directly to an LG OLED C1.
I'm having the same issue with xsx and cx. Disabling the vrr on console should fix, but i won't do that. Waiting for some fix.
LG C1 too, it only happens if my Series X is at 120hz. At 60hz + VRR = no flickering for me.
@@alemacgom 60hz fixed it for me.
@@user-ks2tp7li3f thank you all. It works for me as well. It's stupid that we have to use the workaround but at least I can give the game a try now. Let's see if it gets patched...
This game is fantastic! I played on Xbox Series X and did notice a couple of issues though.
- VRR causes flickering, and has to be disabled to fix the problem.
- The character animation seems stuck at 30fps when turning left/right while moving forward. It doesn’t seem to do this on the other platforms.
Hopefully both get patched. Otherwise, it ran excellent at 60fps and looks great!
Ah the VRR flicker, do you have HDR turned on because Halo Infinite does the same thing if you have 120hz on but disabling the HDR sorts it.
VRR works fine at 60hz, only flickers if the Series X is set at 120hz + VRR.
The character stutter is not an issue with animations but with controler analog movement. For some reasons native Series X/One controller on Series X is stuttery. But if you use 3rd party controllers like 8bit do pro 2, or a DS4/Dualsense with adapter ? No stutter at all.
What’s crazy is my 1080ti from 2017 runs this at 120fps at 2560x1440 without any hitches. The next gen hardware is selling itself short. It should be able to deliver 90fps+
I assume you are using FSR?
Finally, I was waiting for this game on DF. Now we also need a PC analysis.
I beat the game recently on PC (without specters), was an incredible experience. One of the best Souls like games made yet. Replaying it now. Runs super smooth.
PC specs? What kind of settings are you running and what performance are you getting? Thanks.
@@mattspeer01 I have a 3080/10850k PC, and run it at 1440p highest settings, and i am getting well over 60fps 99% of the time. Only a few points in the game i had some weird hitching, but was very rare.
@@pcgameboy8407 nice. I have a 5800X/3080, so should be good to go from what you are saying. Was debating the Series X vs PC versions on Game Pass.
@@mattspeer01definitely go with the PC version. I have a 2060 super i7-9700k and play @1080p with medium settings and i get a consistent 120+ frames without DLSS.
@@pcgameboy8407 I have rx 6800 xt and ryzen 5 5600 i got 200 fps on 1080p ultra
Wow. A well optimized game in 2023 is a shocker
7 hours in and I'm loving this game. Bloodborne is one of my favorite games of all time and this game kind of makes me feel like I'm playing a Bloodborne sequel in a different setting😎