Atomic Heart also ran really well, despite being a UE game as well (though I really didnt like the game, but to its credit it put UE games from bigger studios to shame in terms of performance.)
@yoool7137 Laziness and greed. Devs will tell you the game is in a finished state and they're just putting in the finishing touches, the game then releases, and it's an absolute s**t show. Greed has taken over the gaming industry, with the large majority of games being an unoptimized mess. Remember when they said they were taking the time they had left in development to give the players the experience they deserved, then the game released and was and still is a broken unoptimized mess. That game is Jedi Survivor. AAA game development is in the worst state it has ever been in. I bet Lords Of The Fallen is a right mess at launch. I'll be surprised if it ain't. I hope I'm wrong.
Oh yeah, its Perfectly optimized and the Game itself also looks Brilliant, too. + The Game itself is just pure excellence!! I am 60 hours in now and can say, its by far one of the best Game i have played in YEARS! It is also better then Bloodborne (the World itself is a huge improvement, the variety)
On PC, the game also supports ultrawide resolutions. That shouldn't be a big deal, but for whatever reason From Software refuses to allow in their games. Even when playing Elden Ring, sometimes it will mistakenly be in ultrawide when you first load your game, but then black bars appear after a few seconds. You have to get a mod if you want ultrawide support which can potentially trigger anticheat software.
@@kmj4nsenI’m not a big souls fan either, but if you have game pass, I recommend giving it a shot. I’m loving it and also playing it in tandem with a few friends, which makes it even better.
@@shreder75I agree about the parry window. Sometimes I feel like I got it perfectly, but it doesn’t register, saying I was too late. But I’ve made it all the way to the grand exhibition so I can’t be that bad at the game. I try every boss solo, but it’s nice to have the summon option in case I’m tired of beating my head against the wall and just want to progress.
@drgonzo123 i made it to the second boss during the demo and gave up after many, many attempts. I picked up with the full release and i made it to the first merchant without too much yelling. We'll see how it goes when next i pick it up.
Started on Series S in performance mode, then moved to PC a few hours in, absolutely smooth experience in both cases, can't remember the last time a new multiplatform release worked this well.
@@crestofhonor2349 yeah and one of my Goty with Baldur's Gate 3 that far, and it's to say optimisation and dev care and talent was the reason why some games are well optimized and why some are completely broken. UE4 or UE5, no matter, devs has to understand and use properly the tools at their disposition, because they are just that, tools.
I really liked this game a lot. Not just a decent clone of From Software's games, it truly lives up to them. Amazing first game out of this studio, and for a country that doesn't typically make games like this.
The fact that this game was made by like 40-70 people from a south Korean dev team that only has 1 other game under their belt is remarkable. I played on PC and it's one of the best optimized PC games released this year. From graphical fidelity alone, it's probably the best looking souls game of all time. The art direction is great as well to go with the great visuals. This is one of my favorite souls games ever, right up there with my favorite From Software games.
@@CheckmateStallioN I am having a really hard time getting excited for that. They've hyped up the graphics with it being in Unreal engine 5, but honestly....I think Lies of P looks better, like, a lot better. Especially in some of the gameplay for Lords of the fallen things like blood splash effects and other effects look straight up bad. And even the best parts just look average to me. The art design just doesn't do it for me. The combat and enemy a.i. just doesn't look great to me either. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but so far I'm just not excited for it. Especially coming straight from Lies of P I feel it'll be disappointing in comparison.
@@Trio3224 Lies looks very good but I wouldn't be surprised if the footage you are referring to from Lords is pre alpha footage or console footage. I'm sure on PC maxed out it will no doubt impress. The earlier footage of LotF doesn't look near as good as the latest footage they showed
@@CheckmateStallioN No I'm talking about even the new footage they just released like 5 days ago. For me, everything just looks kinda bland and generic, and many of the effects like blood splashes just look like low res stock elements they just stuck on. And I feel it will not look anywhere near as good as Lies of P. And obviously, games always look better when they're not running thru TH-cam compression. I'm sure the game will look better running natively on a high end PC. But the kinds of issues I have with the art direction and poor effects aren't things I think will look better once I see the game in person. That's just my opinion tho. I feel like many souls fans are excited for Lords of the Fallen and I genuinely hope it changes my mind and delivers.
Im trying to gage how far I am in the game right now (for time allocation for other games i am and will play). Im early in the actual factory of the factory area. Also is the drop you get from the bot that drops through the floor worth fighting it for?
@@xxxshinomorixxxreaching the end of the first quarter I would say. As for the loots, some upgrade mats if I recall correctly. The trick that worked well for me was waiting for his dash attack, dodge backwards when he starts it (its length is based on your position when he initiate it) then strike some few hits and run back to the opposite side of the arena
I would say it's heavily inspired by, as in it takes what was good, adds some variety and refines/innovates core mechanics. Not a complete rip, not totally original, very much in-genre but yep I'm more excited to see what they'll do next than I am to see what From do next, because this is a highly polished experience right out of the gate. If you compare it to the original Demon's Souls which was a lot more rough and had fewer tutorial notes, it is more player friendly too, despite still being pretty hard in places.
Bravo to the team for being able to pull this off even on PC with Unreal Engine 4. Many larger developers have games that performed much worse with the same engine.
Major kudos to Neowiz, apparently it is possible to release a good looking AND properly performant game at high resolutions to boot! 40 fps quality mode for me, wish more games had these, if they fix the uneven frame pacing it would be perfection.
@@alexispicard1566 sorry I have not played in a while and my PS5 is currently in storage so I can't check but honestly the pacing issues were not enough to stop me from enjoying the game, it is a good game so if you want to play it and you can get a good deal then I say go for it
I was absolutely amazed by the fact that not only is this game a consistent 60fps on Series S it also looks fantastic. This being on gamepass was a bigger win than Starfield for me.
@@hakangokhan9434 gamepass is good for trying out games. Yeah you don’t own the game, I prefer to buy mine. But for gamers on a budget, it’s a fantastic deal.
Such a wonderful game! Got all achievements a few days ago on XSX n was left wanting even more 😈. Can’t wait for DLC hehe. Played it on Performance mode w/ High FR off. I did notice (sometimes big) drops in framerate against certain very large enemies (won’t spoil it for anyone still playing) especially when they r surrounded by other enemies. Great video/tech analysis!
@@dogenaire69420 How? Just hit his leg and he falls down easily. What's the issue? His attack patterns are really basic too. If you don't like big, slow boss with large attacks, then shouldn't you complain about the rematch with the Parade Master?
I’m really interested in hearing their thoughts on the PC version. I found it to be fantastic and one of the best PC ports out there. No stutter or frame drops at all.
Played it at launch and I was surprised by how well optimized this game is and even supports ultrawide. Unlike Fromsoft's games like Elden Ring for example, you had to dig in the files to make it work..
Runs at a stupidly high frame rate at 1440p maximum settings on my 4070ti, smooth as butter and really happy with it. Don't even need to use DLSS or any upscaling which is a welcome change.
The degraded shading is suggestive of some kind of real time GI right? I would usually expect baked shadows to have very minimal performance impact, this is actually one of the most noticable settings downgrades I've seen recently from quality to performance, and it feels like it's in a different way than I expect
PC version deserves a look. Well optimized and no stutter. You guys should highlight games that are well made on PC instead of just looking at the terrible ones.
I was expecting it to run at a dynamic 1440p resolution on the performance modes. It's insane that's it's lowest resolution count is still above 1440p while keeping a steady 60fps and occasionally getting to a near 4k resolution. That's some great optimization.
When I tried the demo, I left unimpressed. However, I tried it out again on Gamepass and loving it. It took playing for a couple hours to get into it and really appreciate all the interesting gameplay mechanics that open up as you play.
Haha, it was the same for me, was very hyped and played the demo, and i didn't like it much. Then i played it also on game pass, and after 3-5 hours it just "clicked" and since then i LOVE this Game! I can say...it's a Masterpiece
I think the weapon building mechanic is the most fun. Mixing the effects is cool too, I just love the reliance on straight melee and timing vs magic (my souls go to is magic, its pretty easy lol). It forces me to actually get good at the very precise timing. Its just an overall precise game
I feel like the reason the game has frame pacing much like bloodborne is that it's running adaptive vsync - which cuts the input latency in half compare to vsync at 30 fps, and for a game like this that needs quick button input it's understandable
Finished the plat on this a few days ago and it was phenomenal. Really looking forward to both the planned DLC and whatever this studio does next. A definite must play for any fans of the genre.
Not sure if it's mentioned, but two things I've noticed. I had to turn off vrr on xsx because the game flickers nonstop with it enabled. And... In the game options, hdr off means it's actually ON. So if you're wondering why it looks dim and washed out on your hdr display, that's why.
I used the 40 fps mode and didn’t really notice any issues. It felt very smooth and if there was frame pacing issues I just don’t notice it as I’m playing. It felt great and looked great
After seeing NotebookCheck's benchmarks on LoP (lower end gaming laptops easily getting 1080p 60fps) and stable performance modes on all consoles, a fairly well optimised Souls-like at/above 60fps feels illegal, something's not right.
Yep, this game is weirdly optimized but I’m also not surprised about it considering it’s an amateur dev who made a copycat game for easy recognition. Very little original ideas went into this.
I’m playing on ps5 and this game is fantastic, I can’t believe it was made by such a small, relatively unknown developer! And the fact it runs at 60fps and still looks that good on series s is amazing
Indy devs actually optimizing how it shouls be. On the other hand we have AAA devs releasing halfe done games, and saying that well made games are "anomalies".
I’m having a blast playing this at the same time as a couple friends. We’re all at the exact same spot in the game which makes it so much more fun, giving each other tips and seeing how our builds and choices differ from one another.
Just got the platinum trophy a few days ago, and I gotta say this might just be one of the best games I've ever played; I enjoyed it immensely, a solid 9/10 imo. Souls fans are eating good rn.
The performance mode on this game makes the shadows flicker on my LG C2 when in 120 hertz with VRR enabled. Had to cap to 60 hertz to stop the shadows flickering. It's a known LG OLED bug with VRR and 120 hertz
The developer should be praised for delivering not only a fantastic game but one that looks better than most “next gen” games but also runs better as well.
@@bauul. yeah it's a shame too because proper HDR would seriously elevate the lighting and SSR's in this game. Which are good, but HDR would make it pop. Thankfully SDR is actually pretty well done in this game. Definitely doesn't look bad
No mention of the stuttery movement animation (on S) is really bumming me out-- I was hoping there would be an explanation and potential solution in this video.
It's controller and analog movement, related. It happens on Series X too with a Series X or Xbox one controller. Doesn't happen with something like 8bit do pro 2 Xbox controller (I played the whole game with it), or with a Dualshock 4/Dualsense + adapter.
What’s going on with DF constantly omitting the PC versions of new games now? Still haven’t see an Armored Core 6 PC tech review. Used to be that DF would include all the consoles plus PC in the initial tech review. Now we are lucky if we even get a separate PC tech review at all.
Series X has some flickering issues when using VRR. The fix was to make sure FreeSync is enabled and then change the settings in my TV from "Wide" to "High". That completely got rid of the flickering.
What’s crazy is my 1080ti from 2017 runs this at 120fps at 2560x1440 without any hitches. The next gen hardware is selling itself short. It should be able to deliver 90fps+
Really good release. Refreshing that a new game just works on all platforms. I switched between playing on max settings 165fps on PC to my Bedroom Series S in Performance Mode and the Series S held up completely well.
@@wertywerrtyson5529what? The games that offer this already DO have a 60 fps mode. Your comment makes no sense “I don’t have a 120hz tv, so that means NO ONE should benefit from one” like bruh what?
@@tehCostHD I mean they should focus on making a good 60hz experience rather than focusing their resourcing on something only a minority of people can enjoy. If they do offer a good 60hz mode than of course it doesn’t hurt to also have a 40hz mode. I’m just afraid developers will forget about 60 and just target 30 and 40 fps.
I accept to lose most things on the name of performance. Shadow quality? Take it away, I am scared of the dark Resolution? I can play on a smaller monitor and pretend I can't see the difference But at 9:32 in the video I can see that performance mode removes the waifu... That is a sacrifice I am not willing to accept!
What is this weird "This is a Dark Soul clone so it's unworthy of being played" undertone? Like the line "Even with it's clear Dark Souls influence, it's still worth checking out.". What is that supposed to mean? Are "Gamers" supposed to hate clones now?
What a beautiful looking game that runs almost flawlessly on the Xbox Series and PS5. Design decisions make a difference and decision to use UE4 paid off in spades as the resolution stays high even in performance mode. The protagonist remains fully visible at all times unlike Jedi Survivor and FF16.
True 4k on PS5 and Series X and 1440p on Series S, THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT!!! That’s how you make a game for these current generation of consoles 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I'm surprised you didn't mention the egregious VRR flicker. I've used my LG CX65 and XSX for dozens of games and never noticed it on any other game, but this game had horrendous flicker right out of the gate; I found it painful to look at. I had to turn off VRR on my console, and then it worked fine... just annoying to have to do that and remember to turn it back on when I play anything else. Otherwise, a handful of hours in, seems like a solid Soulslike (if a bit shameless at times). Definitely go for the performance mode on a game focused around timing and such.
That's weird. Maybe something to do with being on a CX, or a different hdmi cable (C1 here, default Series X cable). Let's hope the devs fix it then. @@remotecontrolaxe
@@JackyCNV also using the cable that came with my XSX directly to the TV. Anyway, turning off VRR for this game isn't the end of the world, just annoying.
Something is off on my setup on Series X. I get constant flickering or "pumping" of the image. It's worse with HDR activated in the console's system settings but it's still noticable in SDR and makes the game virtually unplayable for me. I wonder if the HDMI cable is to blame. Series X is connected directly to an LG OLED C1.
@@JackyCNV thank you all. It works for me as well. It's stupid that we have to use the workaround but at least I can give the game a try now. Let's see if it gets patched...
I'm able to play this game in upscaled 4k using fsr, at 60fps on low settings using my rx480 and fx8370... I've not even been able to play recent games at all, let alone with good settings. Crazy good optimisation.
I would have loved to see the 60 fps mode have the higher light settings and a lower resolution. I think that makes a lot more difference than the extra, idk, 300-ish p would have made
I don't get why some developers constantly complain about Series S, yet some just create a perfectly crafted game for the smaller brother of X - somewhat out of the blue.
Interesting is it not? While it is clear the Series S will have cuts in some titles, it makes one wonder just how badly optimized a lot of the game releases really are.
@@davidandrew6855 exactly, I am playing on Series S and I was like - wtf, how 😆 The same with Starfield, Cyberpunk, The Witcher. I guess some devs are a bit lazy.
@@gunstreets2944 surely it will, this game singlehandely removed all my boredom after spending like 2 weeks on starfield. I cant love that game but lies of p ,man o man
Also no one talks about Lantern, this thing is like X-ray beams, it's lights through walls, objects, there are no shadows at all, even in old DS2 torch works better
Lol I know its not the same thing, but I remember the days when less fog went to the more powerful console. Fog was used to hide the lack of processing power. Turok is a good example.
Don't know if its just me, but I find the amount of fog in the quality mode on Series X makes the game look very grey and washed out and makes the draw distance seem a lot shorter. I prefer the performance mode look.
@WesOtsutsuki920or just also have a PS5. Mines been turned off mostly since the FF16 demo failed to capture my attention plus the performance was really bad. But maybe Spider-man 2 will get it rolling again.
@WesOtsutsuki920on top of which Spider-Man 2 isn't out yet and damn sure won't be on PS plus when it comes out. So using that to argue against Gamepass is just dumb
@WesOtsutsuki920 superhero games are boring trash. Enjoy your boring single player, cinematic "games." I got a series X to play third party games on the best console, not exclusives.
Would be interesting to see you guys analyzing the MacOS port of Lies of P, it's one of the first in the upcoming "wave" (if we can even call it that) of AAA games coming to Apple platform.
Well there you go AAA Western devs it is possible to release a game that is feature compete, runs very well and looks really nice. All while providing a quality game with lost of depth and variety. This is how all AAA games should be on release day but more and more we are seeing games that are released years before they are ready and it is nothing short of robbery. Hats off to lies of p and the hard working people who made it. Thank you for doing your job and doing it well. After this success I hope that your company continues to grow and gets all the praise it deserves. 👏👏👏👍👍👌👌👌👌👌
This is impressive for sure this game but the thing is also many companies or devs go for open world games and don't optimize, have many boring NPC's and such things. They think we all need Witcher 3 Far Cry Creeds that aren't even good video games but we actually need more games that are like Lies of P and like PS2/PS3 era in modern with refined gameplay and machanics, awesome locations. They don't even make or rarely make normal action adventures or games like Bioshock. Triple A is terrible these days.
Man, souls-likes on console are just cursed by the uneven frame-pacing. If they fixed that nit'd be a much more compelling option to play at 40fps, although I would always pick 60 myself.
If anyone has issues with stuttery character movement on Series X, it's the controller's fault, not animations. Try a 3rd party controller like 8bit do Xbox pro 2, or a DS4/Dualsense with an adapter and no more stutters ! Series X and Xbox one controllers analog movement is stuttery for some reasons.
I put about 40 hours into it, even did a NG+ and overall I can say it's a great game, really enjoyed it. I also want to let people know that IT HAS A FANTASTIC SOUNDTRACK some seriously great tracks. I really had no issues with the game in general. The voice acting, story, combat, atmosphere, music, pretty much everything was awesome. The devs hinted at their next project/sequel possibly in the game, so I'm really hoping we see that down the road, they really have a pretty solid series/idea here if they can start making Souls-Like games based off fairy tales.
I’m playing on the 60fps performance mode on Xbox Series X and the volumetric fog is definitely present in the same way as it is in the quality mode in this digital foundry video and I’m for sure so I’m wondering if this video was made prior to the most recent patch cause the volumetric fog isn’t reduced or disabled at all in the performance mode for Me on XSX and that includes the hotel lobby and all the other areas I’ve seen so far
Do many of us even use 30fps modes? Genuinely curious. I will always default to a 60fps mode. 30/60 offerings this gen is somewhat standard, though I wonder if we would have been better off with devs putting all of their resources into optimizing for 60fps? 30fps modes will market well though, because that's what we all get in trailers (that or the PC version), only to play it ourselves and it doesn't quite look the same.
Playing Devils Advocate, is actually praising it for the well crafted game that it is? I'd say playing "devils advocate" would be stating the overused comparison of it being a Bloodborne/Dead Souls inspired game.
Ι finished the game yesterday, it's truly a great game. Maybe a bit too hard in some areas but still very fun to play It looks great too. Definitley recommended to soulsborne fans The optimization here from the devs is great in all machines, really good job from them!
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if they turned on the GI back with lowering resolution to like dynamic 1440 to 1620 -ish. Also, why do frame pacing issues happen at 30 and 40 FPS, but not 60? Like, Performance mode runs well both on 60hz and 120hz screens, but 30 and 40 don't for some reason? Or does this only occur when the framerate doesn't match the refresh rate, and it doesn't happen in Perf. mode because it runs at 60hz and doesn't turn on 120hz on the TV?
The uneven frame-pacing is just the devs trying to give us the authentic Bloodborne experience
You aren't wrong lmao.
Ah yes soulsborne games flaws are actually features
Hey, the frame pacing gives us an excuse to blame when we die 😂
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however BB has no 40 let alone 60 fps mode 😢
The fact for me this game just worked at launch and ran smoothly is such a rarity nowdays
it really looks good, its really good optimized for pc...and it was their first big game ...game devs are weird...i wonder why its so random
@@yoool7137and it's also UE4 which is common for issues
Atomic Heart also ran really well, despite being a UE game as well (though I really didnt like the game, but to its credit it put UE games from bigger studios to shame in terms of performance.)
Atomic heart was junky as f
@yoool7137
Laziness and greed.
Devs will tell you the game is in a finished state and they're just putting in the finishing touches, the game then releases, and it's an absolute s**t show.
Greed has taken over the gaming industry, with the large majority of games being an unoptimized mess.
Remember when they said they were taking the time they had left in development to give the players the experience they deserved, then the game released and was and still is a broken unoptimized mess.
That game is Jedi Survivor.
AAA game development is in the worst state it has ever been in.
I bet Lords Of The Fallen is a right mess at launch. I'll be surprised if it ain't.
I hope I'm wrong.
Wow a well optimized game in 2023 by a small studio. Great job to the dev team.
People thought it would get delayed too, and it didn't. Everything proceeded at a good schedule it seems
@@cosmosofinfinity The game actually did get delayed. It was supposed to come out in August of 2023.
And on UE4 no less
Oh yeah, its Perfectly optimized and the Game itself also looks Brilliant, too.
+ The Game itself is just pure excellence!!
I am 60 hours in now and can say, its by far one of the best Game i have played in YEARS!
It is also better then Bloodborne (the World itself is a huge improvement, the variety)
On PC, the game also supports ultrawide resolutions. That shouldn't be a big deal, but for whatever reason From Software refuses to allow in their games.
Even when playing Elden Ring, sometimes it will mistakenly be in ultrawide when you first load your game, but then black bars appear after a few seconds. You have to get a mod if you want ultrawide support which can potentially trigger anticheat software.
Such a beautiful and well polished game. Deserves alot of respect
Looks good indeed, too bad Souls style games are not my cup of tea.
It's very polished, but i still think the perfect parry window is too small and the backstab is wonky
@@kmj4nsenI’m not a big souls fan either, but if you have game pass, I recommend giving it a shot. I’m loving it and also playing it in tandem with a few friends, which makes it even better.
@@shreder75I agree about the parry window. Sometimes I feel like I got it perfectly, but it doesn’t register, saying I was too late. But I’ve made it all the way to the grand exhibition so I can’t be that bad at the game. I try every boss solo, but it’s nice to have the summon option in case I’m tired of beating my head against the wall and just want to progress.
@drgonzo123 i made it to the second boss during the demo and gave up after many, many attempts. I picked up with the full release and i made it to the first merchant without too much yelling. We'll see how it goes when next i pick it up.
Started on Series S in performance mode, then moved to PC a few hours in, absolutely smooth experience in both cases, can't remember the last time a new multiplatform release worked this well.
Lol series S
Same here. Just started today. Series s version was surprisingly good
This seems like one of the most competent unreal engine games this generation. Especially the Series S version looks really good for what it is.
Maybe because it's UE4
Jedi survivor, redfall and Gollum are also UE 4. This is just really well optimized game on front-end and back-end.
Hi-Fi Rush was another great UE4 gamr this generation
@@crestofhonor2349 yeah and one of my Goty with Baldur's Gate 3 that far, and it's to say optimisation and dev care and talent was the reason why some games are well optimized and why some are completely broken. UE4 or UE5, no matter, devs has to understand and use properly the tools at their disposition, because they are just that, tools.
@@Ast0sHbaldurs gate runs terribly that's not a good example.
I really liked this game a lot. Not just a decent clone of From Software's games, it truly lives up to them. Amazing first game out of this studio, and for a country that doesn't typically make games like this.
Second game actually if I'm not mistaken. Bless Unleashed was their first.
cant agree more. its not souls-like game, its souls game on its own for me
@@ahriikwe dont talk about that
Agreed. Lies of P is a great game. Looks fantastic, plays very well and runs smooth. Can't wait to see more of them.
The fact that this game was made by like 40-70 people from a south Korean dev team that only has 1 other game under their belt is remarkable.
I played on PC and it's one of the best optimized PC games released this year. From graphical fidelity alone, it's probably the best looking souls game of all time. The art direction is great as well to go with the great visuals.
This is one of my favorite souls games ever, right up there with my favorite From Software games.
Really hoping the same can be said for Lords of the Fallen on PC. That game looks very graphically demanding tho so we will see
@@CheckmateStallioN
I am having a really hard time getting excited for that. They've hyped up the graphics with it being in Unreal engine 5, but honestly....I think Lies of P looks better, like, a lot better. Especially in some of the gameplay for Lords of the fallen things like blood splash effects and other effects look straight up bad. And even the best parts just look average to me. The art design just doesn't do it for me. The combat and enemy a.i. just doesn't look great to me either. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but so far I'm just not excited for it. Especially coming straight from Lies of P I feel it'll be disappointing in comparison.
@@Trio3224 Lies looks very good but I wouldn't be surprised if the footage you are referring to from Lords is pre alpha footage or console footage. I'm sure on PC maxed out it will no doubt impress. The earlier footage of LotF doesn't look near as good as the latest footage they showed
@@CheckmateStallioN
No I'm talking about even the new footage they just released like 5 days ago. For me, everything just looks kinda bland and generic, and many of the effects like blood splashes just look like low res stock elements they just stuck on. And I feel it will not look anywhere near as good as Lies of P.
And obviously, games always look better when they're not running thru TH-cam compression. I'm sure the game will look better running natively on a high end PC. But the kinds of issues I have with the art direction and poor effects aren't things I think will look better once I see the game in person.
That's just my opinion tho. I feel like many souls fans are excited for Lords of the Fallen and I genuinely hope it changes my mind and delivers.
@@Trio3224 we will have to wait for Steam reviews and DF's deep dive. I hope it delivers as it has the potential
Absolutely love this game. A true love letter to Fromsoftware. But having played through it, I can confirm it stands on its own.
I agree. At first I thought it was just a bloodborne type game, but it does do its own things
Im trying to gage how far I am in the game right now (for time allocation for other games i am and will play). Im early in the actual factory of the factory area. Also is the drop you get from the bot that drops through the floor worth fighting it for?
@@xxxshinomorixxxreaching the end of the first quarter I would say. As for the loots, some upgrade mats if I recall correctly. The trick that worked well for me was waiting for his dash attack, dodge backwards when he starts it (its length is based on your position when he initiate it) then strike some few hits and run back to the opposite side of the arena
@xxxshinomorixxx you're almost about 10% through the game at that point. I dont remember what it drops but i always kill all enemies regardless.
I would say it's heavily inspired by, as in it takes what was good, adds some variety and refines/innovates core mechanics. Not a complete rip, not totally original, very much in-genre but yep I'm more excited to see what they'll do next than I am to see what From do next, because this is a highly polished experience right out of the gate. If you compare it to the original Demon's Souls which was a lot more rough and had fewer tutorial notes, it is more player friendly too, despite still being pretty hard in places.
Bravo to the team for being able to pull this off even on PC with Unreal Engine 4. Many larger developers have games that performed much worse with the same engine.
Like Jedi survivor lol
Major kudos to Neowiz, apparently it is possible to release a good looking AND properly performant game at high resolutions to boot! 40 fps quality mode for me, wish more games had these, if they fix the uneven frame pacing it would be perfection.
Have they fixed it ? I'm thinking about jumping into it soon
@@alexispicard1566 sorry I have not played in a while and my PS5 is currently in storage so I can't check but honestly the pacing issues were not enough to stop me from enjoying the game, it is a good game so if you want to play it and you can get a good deal then I say go for it
I was absolutely amazed by the fact that not only is this game a consistent 60fps on Series S it also looks fantastic. This being on gamepass was a bigger win than Starfield for me.
Why’re you celebrating the fact that you’re borrowing games? 😂😂
@@hakangokhan9434 gamepass is good for trying out games. Yeah you don’t own the game, I prefer to buy mine. But for gamers on a budget, it’s a fantastic deal.
@@hakangokhan9434he is playing the game and likes it....whats the problem?
@@ctestdummy83 he’s not just playing the game and liking it he’s mentioning lame pass hence my question wtf is wrong with you?
@@hakangokhan9434I really don’t like microsoft either, but you’re being weirdly aggressive here
Well done with the optimization of this game!
Such a wonderful game! Got all achievements a few days ago on XSX n was left wanting even more 😈. Can’t wait for DLC hehe. Played it on Performance mode w/ High FR off. I did notice (sometimes big) drops in framerate against certain very large enemies (won’t spoil it for anyone still playing) especially when they r surrounded by other enemies. Great video/tech analysis!
Door guardian ruined the game
@@dogenaire69420 How? Just hit his leg and he falls down easily.
What's the issue?
His attack patterns are really basic too.
If you don't like big, slow boss with large attacks, then shouldn't you complain about the rematch with the Parade Master?
@@dogenaire69420 The door Guardian is a joke. Lol
I’m really interested in hearing their thoughts on the PC version. I found it to be fantastic and one of the best PC ports out there. No stutter or frame drops at all.
Agreed, it runs amazing on both the 4080 and the Rog Ally. Becoming my favorite game of the year!
Played it at launch and I was surprised by how well optimized this game is and even supports ultrawide. Unlike Fromsoft's games like Elden Ring for example, you had to dig in the files to make it work..
I agree, it surprised me to see how stable and consistent the PC version is and it made me wanna support these devs even more.
Runs at a stupidly high frame rate at 1440p maximum settings on my 4070ti, smooth as butter and really happy with it. Don't even need to use DLSS or any upscaling which is a welcome change.
Well, that settles on what platform I'm buying my copy on, once I have the time. PC it is!
The degraded shading is suggestive of some kind of real time GI right? I would usually expect baked shadows to have very minimal performance impact, this is actually one of the most noticable settings downgrades I've seen recently from quality to performance, and it feels like it's in a different way than I expect
PC version deserves a look. Well optimized and no stutter. You guys should highlight games that are well made on PC instead of just looking at the terrible ones.
I was expecting it to run at a dynamic 1440p resolution on the performance modes. It's insane that's it's lowest resolution count is still above 1440p while keeping a steady 60fps and occasionally getting to a near 4k resolution. That's some great optimization.
So turns out you CAN make a beautiful soulslike game, that works great on every console since day one without dozens of patches... interesting
When I tried the demo, I left unimpressed. However, I tried it out again on Gamepass and loving it. It took playing for a couple hours to get into it and really appreciate all the interesting gameplay mechanics that open up as you play.
Haha, it was the same for me, was very hyped and played the demo, and i didn't like it much.
Then i played it also on game pass, and after 3-5 hours it just "clicked" and since then i LOVE this Game!
I can say...it's a Masterpiece
I think the weapon building mechanic is the most fun. Mixing the effects is cool too, I just love the reliance on straight melee and timing vs magic (my souls go to is magic, its pretty easy lol). It forces me to actually get good at the very precise timing. Its just an overall precise game
I feel like the reason the game has frame pacing much like bloodborne is that it's running adaptive vsync - which cuts the input latency in half compare to vsync at 30 fps, and for a game like this that needs quick button input it's understandable
Not sure but in performance mod on PS5 looks like there is some artifacts around hands (for example) from image reconstruction
Finished the plat on this a few days ago and it was phenomenal. Really looking forward to both the planned DLC and whatever this studio does next. A definite must play for any fans of the genre.
You're absolutely right, it is truely Phenomenal!!
40 fps team hands up!
Best of both worlds!
Every new game now should have a 40fps mode on console
40fps 😂😂 console really sucks
Not sure if it's mentioned, but two things I've noticed.
I had to turn off vrr on xsx because the game flickers nonstop with it enabled. And...
In the game options, hdr off means it's actually ON. So if you're wondering why it looks dim and washed out on your hdr display, that's why.
I used the 40 fps mode and didn’t really notice any issues. It felt very smooth and if there was frame pacing issues I just don’t notice it as I’m playing. It felt great and looked great
With vrr its not very noticeable.
40fps steam deck mode lol.
Agreed, on my XSX using VRR it felt butter smooth.
After seeing NotebookCheck's benchmarks on LoP (lower end gaming laptops easily getting 1080p 60fps) and stable performance modes on all consoles, a fairly well optimised Souls-like at/above 60fps feels illegal, something's not right.
VRR doesn't work on this game for series X. With VRR enabled, you get some strange flickers in series X
Yep, this game is weirdly optimized but I’m also not surprised about it considering it’s an amateur dev who made a copycat game for easy recognition. Very little original ideas went into this.
I’m playing on ps5 and this game is fantastic, I can’t believe it was made by such a small, relatively unknown developer! And the fact it runs at 60fps and still looks that good on series s is amazing
Indy devs actually optimizing how it shouls be. On the other hand we have AAA devs releasing halfe done games, and saying that well made games are "anomalies".
I’m having a blast playing this at the same time as a couple friends. We’re all at the exact same spot in the game which makes it so much more fun, giving each other tips and seeing how our builds and choices differ from one another.
Just got the platinum trophy a few days ago, and I gotta say this might just be one of the best games I've ever played; I enjoyed it immensely, a solid 9/10 imo. Souls fans are eating good rn.
The performance mode on this game makes the shadows flicker on my LG C2 when in 120 hertz with VRR enabled. Had to cap to 60 hertz to stop the shadows flickering. It's a known LG OLED bug with VRR and 120 hertz
The developer should be praised for delivering not only a fantastic game but one that looks better than most “next gen” games but also runs better as well.
How did the publisher/dev go from Bless and Bless Unleashed to Lies of P? Amazing game can't believe they pulled it off
I was hoping they would touch on the HDR problems. It currently looks better in SDR than in HDR. Would have liked to see that addressed
I also ended up turning off HDR. It seemed like it just washed the image out.
@@bauul. yeah it's a shame too because proper HDR would seriously elevate the lighting and SSR's in this game. Which are good, but HDR would make it pop. Thankfully SDR is actually pretty well done in this game. Definitely doesn't look bad
No mention of the stuttery movement animation (on S) is really bumming me out-- I was hoping there would be an explanation and potential solution in this video.
What stutter movement animation?
Because I'm playing s as well and don't know what you're talking about
It's controller and analog movement, related. It happens on Series X too with a Series X or Xbox one controller.
Doesn't happen with something like 8bit do pro 2 Xbox controller (I played the whole game with it), or with a Dualshock 4/Dualsense + adapter.
What’s going on with DF constantly omitting the PC versions of new games now? Still haven’t see an Armored Core 6 PC tech review. Used to be that DF would include all the consoles plus PC in the initial tech review. Now we are lucky if we even get a separate PC tech review at all.
Series X has some flickering issues when using VRR. The fix was to make sure FreeSync is enabled and then change the settings in my TV from "Wide" to "High". That completely got rid of the flickering.
Nobody mentions Steelrising when talking about this game. Very strange. They have the same plot/setting, basically.
And Steelrising had more interesting designs and a really unique art style.
The PC version is an absolute joy. It runs like a dream, even on the Steam Deck at 720p/40fps on Medium settings.
Damn, that's some dedication. They even included the frame-pacing issues at 30 fps that Bloodborne is famous for.
I was hoping Tom would review this, as he looks quite like the games protagonist! Nice review
What’s crazy is my 1080ti from 2017 runs this at 120fps at 2560x1440 without any hitches. The next gen hardware is selling itself short. It should be able to deliver 90fps+
I assume you are using FSR?
Really good release. Refreshing that a new game just works on all platforms. I switched between playing on max settings 165fps on PC to my Bedroom Series S in Performance Mode and the Series S held up completely well.
I've only been playing on pc and I have to say, this game runs absolutely beautifully. it's so refreshing to have a well running game at launch.
Love to see more games support 40fps mode on 120hrz displays
I rather see them focus on making 60fps. I have a 2021 TV and it doesn’t have 120hz. Many people don’t have TVs that support 120hz.
I agree, I really wish we would see a lot more games provide 40fps modes
@@wertywerrtyson5529you should really get one
@@wertywerrtyson5529what? The games that offer this already DO have a 60 fps mode. Your comment makes no sense “I don’t have a 120hz tv, so that means NO ONE should benefit from one” like bruh what?
@@tehCostHD I mean they should focus on making a good 60hz experience rather than focusing their resourcing on something only a minority of people can enjoy. If they do offer a good 60hz mode than of course it doesn’t hurt to also have a 40hz mode. I’m just afraid developers will forget about 60 and just target 30 and 40 fps.
This guy's proved that it is possible to optimize unreal engine games. The Pc version is also pristine.
I’m a DS1 purist, this game has been incredible so far, really stands on its own
I feel
Lower the brightness on Performance mode for the deep black shading
I’m surprised the PC version has seemingly no issues. It even runs beyond 60 fps, though the 30 fps cloth physics are still there.
I accept to lose most things on the name of performance.
Shadow quality? Take it away, I am scared of the dark
Resolution? I can play on a smaller monitor and pretend I can't see the difference
But at 9:32 in the video I can see that performance mode removes the waifu... That is a sacrifice I am not willing to accept!
What is this weird "This is a Dark Soul clone so it's unworthy of being played" undertone? Like the line "Even with it's clear Dark Souls influence, it's still worth checking out.". What is that supposed to mean? Are "Gamers" supposed to hate clones now?
Too many casuals love hating on soulslikes.
I really hope you can take a look at the MacOS version. I would like to listen your take on it. Thanks!
What a beautiful looking game that runs almost flawlessly on the Xbox Series and PS5.
Design decisions make a difference and decision to use UE4 paid off in spades as the resolution stays high even in performance mode. The protagonist remains fully visible at all times unlike Jedi Survivor and FF16.
There's a bit of pop-in on the Series X and frame pacing issues in performance mode too.
True 4k on PS5 and Series X and 1440p on Series S, THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT!!! That’s how you make a game for these current generation of consoles 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Can't believe they emulated Fromsoftware down to the frame pacing issues! Seriously, this is a polished and honestly classy release. Well done!
I'm surprised you didn't mention the egregious VRR flicker. I've used my LG CX65 and XSX for dozens of games and never noticed it on any other game, but this game had horrendous flicker right out of the gate; I found it painful to look at. I had to turn off VRR on my console, and then it worked fine... just annoying to have to do that and remember to turn it back on when I play anything else.
Otherwise, a handful of hours in, seems like a solid Soulslike (if a bit shameless at times). Definitely go for the performance mode on a game focused around timing and such.
You can keep VRR without flicker if you use 60hz instead of 120hz on your Series X.
@@JackyCNV you know, someone on Reddit said that too. I tried it but still saw crazy flicker, unfortunately.
That's weird. Maybe something to do with being on a CX, or a different hdmi cable (C1 here, default Series X cable). Let's hope the devs fix it then. @@remotecontrolaxe
@@JackyCNV also using the cable that came with my XSX directly to the TV. Anyway, turning off VRR for this game isn't the end of the world, just annoying.
maybe your panel is not good anymore..have the CX and no problems at all as said VRR 60h is the way to go .
When Running the Performance Mode on my TV in 120Hz HDR Mode, I got strange flickering.
Setting my Series X to 60Hz solved it.
You can disable VRR in a system settings and leave 120 Hz to make 40 fps mode available. That would fix the issue
120hz + VRR combination cause flicker yeah. Disable any of the two.
Something is off on my setup on Series X. I get constant flickering or "pumping" of the image. It's worse with HDR activated in the console's system settings but it's still noticable in SDR and makes the game virtually unplayable for me. I wonder if the HDMI cable is to blame. Series X is connected directly to an LG OLED C1.
I'm having the same issue with xsx and cx. Disabling the vrr on console should fix, but i won't do that. Waiting for some fix.
LG C1 too, it only happens if my Series X is at 120hz. At 60hz + VRR = no flickering for me.
@@alemacgom 60hz fixed it for me.
@@JackyCNV thank you all. It works for me as well. It's stupid that we have to use the workaround but at least I can give the game a try now. Let's see if it gets patched...
I'm able to play this game in upscaled 4k using fsr, at 60fps on low settings using my rx480 and fx8370... I've not even been able to play recent games at all, let alone with good settings. Crazy good optimisation.
Why? Play high setting 1080p
I would have loved to see the 60 fps mode have the higher light settings and a lower resolution. I think that makes a lot more difference than the extra, idk, 300-ish p would have made
With FSR2 to upscale the resolution back to 4k, yeah. Otherwise it's probably not worth it
I don't get why some developers constantly complain about Series S, yet some just create a perfectly crafted game for the smaller brother of X - somewhat out of the blue.
Interesting is it not? While it is clear the Series S will have cuts in some titles, it makes one wonder just how badly optimized a lot of the game releases really are.
@@davidandrew6855 exactly, I am playing on Series S and I was like - wtf, how 😆 The same with Starfield, Cyberpunk, The Witcher. I guess some devs are a bit lazy.
One of the best optimized game that came this year. Plus its on gamepass😂
100% fact. Not one of the best tho..its THE BEST. And after more patches come out it will run even better
@@gunstreets2944 surely it will, this game singlehandely removed all my boredom after spending like 2 weeks on starfield. I cant love that game but lies of p ,man o man
40 fps is best mode in my opinion. You get all visual effects, and only drops resolution slightly
Also no one talks about Lantern, this thing is like X-ray beams, it's lights through walls, objects, there are no shadows at all, even in old DS2 torch works better
Lol I know its not the same thing, but I remember the days when less fog went to the more powerful console. Fog was used to hide the lack of processing power. Turok is a good example.
One of the most polished games this year. Which sadly is a rarity and not a norm. Great work by NEOWIZ
Don't know if its just me, but I find the amount of fog in the quality mode on Series X makes the game look very grey and washed out and makes the draw distance seem a lot shorter. I prefer the performance mode look.
Played it through twice on Series X and performance mode was flawless, plus being free on game pass was a big bonus
@WesOtsutsuki920or just also have a PS5. Mines been turned off mostly since the FF16 demo failed to capture my attention plus the performance was really bad. But maybe Spider-man 2 will get it rolling again.
@WesOtsutsuki920on top of which Spider-Man 2 isn't out yet and damn sure won't be on PS plus when it comes out. So using that to argue against Gamepass is just dumb
@WesOtsutsuki920someone is salty, damn.
@WesOtsutsuki920 just stop
@WesOtsutsuki920 superhero games are boring trash. Enjoy your boring single player, cinematic "games."
I got a series X to play third party games on the best console, not exclusives.
🤔 Dumb Question here…. But why can’t a 4K 60fps tv or monitor not support locked 40fps modes?
I believe your TV has to support 120hz to play that mode. Not sure why though.
I love the game. It’s easily one of the best Souls-likes out there if not THE best.
how would it compare against Nioh games?
@@JaimeIsJaime Similar I guess in gameplay and everything but it’s much closer to Bloodborne in terms of look and themes
No mention of the VRR flicker on Xbox? It's damn annoying and many people prob don't know that turning off VRR get's rid of it.
How long are the loading screens?
AA studio puting a lot of big AAA juggernaughts to shame with how well they optimised the game and how many options are there.
Would be interesting to see you guys analyzing the MacOS port of Lies of P, it's one of the first in the upcoming "wave" (if we can even call it that) of AAA games coming to Apple platform.
Well there you go AAA Western devs it is possible to release a game that is feature compete, runs very well and looks really nice. All while providing a quality game with lost of depth and variety. This is how all AAA games should be on release day but more and more we are seeing games that are released years before they are ready and it is nothing short of robbery. Hats off to lies of p and the hard working people who made it. Thank you for doing your job and doing it well. After this success I hope that your company continues to grow and gets all the praise it deserves. 👏👏👏👍👍👌👌👌👌👌
This is impressive for sure this game but the thing is also many companies or devs go for open world games and don't optimize, have many boring NPC's and such things. They think we all need Witcher 3 Far Cry Creeds that aren't even good video games but we actually need more games that are like Lies of P and like PS2/PS3 era in modern with refined gameplay and machanics, awesome locations. They don't even make or rarely make normal action adventures or games like Bioshock. Triple A is terrible these days.
It also looked like the arthroscopic filtering is a lower setting on series s
Man, souls-likes on console are just cursed by the uneven frame-pacing. If they fixed that nit'd be a much more compelling option to play at 40fps, although I would always pick 60 myself.
If anyone has issues with stuttery character movement on Series X, it's the controller's fault, not animations.
Try a 3rd party controller like 8bit do Xbox pro 2, or a DS4/Dualsense with an adapter and no more stutters !
Series X and Xbox one controllers analog movement is stuttery for some reasons.
40 FPS + VRR is the way to go
Weird that the wet shirt looks way more like a realistic wet shirt on series s during the first shot comparison on quality mode
I beat it on PC and with a 3080 I got rocksolid 165FPS at 1440p Ultra DLSS Quality and my GPU wasn't even sweating.
I put about 40 hours into it, even did a NG+ and overall I can say it's a great game, really enjoyed it. I also want to let people know that IT HAS A FANTASTIC SOUNDTRACK some seriously great tracks. I really had no issues with the game in general. The voice acting, story, combat, atmosphere, music, pretty much everything was awesome.
The devs hinted at their next project/sequel possibly in the game, so I'm really hoping we see that down the road, they really have a pretty solid series/idea here if they can start making Souls-Like games based off fairy tales.
100% THIS!!
You nailed it! 😉
I’m playing on the 60fps performance mode on Xbox Series X and the volumetric fog is definitely present in the same way as it is in the quality mode in this digital foundry video and I’m for sure so I’m wondering if this video was made prior to the most recent patch cause the volumetric fog isn’t reduced or disabled at all in the performance mode for Me on XSX and that includes the hotel lobby and all the other areas I’ve seen so far
was the locomotion stutter fixed on xbox because they df didn't mention it at all here
Do many of us even use 30fps modes? Genuinely curious. I will always default to a 60fps mode. 30/60 offerings this gen is somewhat standard, though I wonder if we would have been better off with devs putting all of their resources into optimizing for 60fps?
30fps modes will market well though, because that's what we all get in trailers (that or the PC version), only to play it ourselves and it doesn't quite look the same.
My mate is playing this on a 1080 and it ran 60fps on start up.
Whereas, Bethesda, EA, Activision don't seem to be able to figure this shit out
The fact that they have an uneven 30fps mode is hilarious. True respect for the format.
Playing Devils Advocate, is actually praising it for the well crafted game that it is? I'd say playing "devils advocate" would be stating the overused comparison of it being a Bloodborne/Dead Souls inspired game.
0:26 To Sekiro and Bloodborne you mean
Are you ever going to make video about FSR 3 ?
Ι finished the game yesterday, it's truly a great game. Maybe a bit too hard in some areas but still very fun to play It looks great too. Definitley recommended to soulsborne fans The optimization here from the devs is great in all machines, really good job from them!
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if they turned on the GI back with lowering resolution to like dynamic 1440 to 1620 -ish. Also, why do frame pacing issues happen at 30 and 40 FPS, but not 60? Like, Performance mode runs well both on 60hz and 120hz screens, but 30 and 40 don't for some reason? Or does this only occur when the framerate doesn't match the refresh rate, and it doesn't happen in Perf. mode because it runs at 60hz and doesn't turn on 120hz on the TV?
Is it normal dynamic resolution? or does it implement FSR?
See, developers? This is how you properly use UE4. Looking at you, Respawn.
I love these videos but I'm also so happy I almost never notice any of this stuff when I'm playing.