@@worsel555 I was so disappointed to see that, and I’ve come to expect a lot more from John. He doesn’t have to like HP, that’s fine - but his tweets were filled with so much hate and condescension. It was disappointing, especially because in all of his videos and interviews he’s always so professional and polite
and in the DF Direct where they clarified if they would cover the game, only Rich talked about it without ANY input from John and Alex, Rich is probably trying to protect the other members from any backlash given some people have been attacked after reviewing or streaming the game, either that or simply nobody else wanted to cover it.
Question is, why we still not have any commrnts on Hogwarts Legacy PC topics. This definately should be covered more, considering how much impact this title has.
@@Szydelski they don’t make pc videos anymore they only care about consoles despite the fact that the PC market is the biggest market and has never been as big as it is. Dumb move on their part
@@brucetus I think it is more related to fact Alex is willingly not covering PC port due to his personal attitude to the Hogwarts Legacy. Apparently nobody else in DF was able or wanted to go into PC issues. A bit sad, since Rich is also a PC gamer, right? He could cover it as well.
Thanks Rich! From the different performance profiles, to just how slow this game progresses to get to a point where you can do your tests, I appreciate the time you put into this. I hope you get a chance to analyze the game for Steam Deck and PC
Covering all these modes across 3 consoles in 20 minutes is basically a speed run accomplishment 😃. Seriously though...thanks for this Richard. Thanks for staying true to your reporter's integrity amidst the controversy. Much respect and I'm looking forward to the PC version analysis because that one should be very interesting indeed!
Another thing to mention is that uncapping the framerate on ps5 seems to lower the color bit rate and significantly makes shadows much greyer and ambient occlusion appears much flatter.
Finding myself loving these technical analysis video reviews more and more. These always help in deciding which modes to go with. DF always delivering the content gamers care about. 👏 With that said, anyone else still spend way to long switching between modes to spot the subtle differences? I stay going to random scenic areas in games and will spend exorbitant amounts of time in each mode just to see how the grass looks different in the distance. 🤓🤓
I'm running this game on a PS5 on a C2 42 LG OLED in balanced mode. Most of the time it is an absolute stunner! Clearly there were a lot of Harry Potter nerds amongst the development team :)
Of course Rich is loyal to his team but some of the cringe wokerati he employs don't really deserve to be shielded. They made their bed, now they can lie in it. Tom and Rich are the only ones I will listen to now.
Really great review, exposing the highlights and lowlights of the rendering decisions. Performance options are actually understandable for a console, given the variety of monitors capable of high FR and VRR. I really hope DF do PC review, with any extra PC options, and Alex's optimised settings.
Yay a Rich video! Video was amazingly indepth. Years later watching every video and this channel still blows my mind with the fascinating analysis of games. Cheers guys
A Raging Rich Review! Great job! You should do more of these in the future. Btw, I'm enjoying this game so far at level 23. Looking forward to the last gen breakdown.
I'm so happy we live in a world where pre rendered cutscenes have the same clarity as in game footage. Who remembers playing games in 720p - 1080p on 360 then a cutscene would play in 240p absolutely ruining your immersion?
Wholeheartedly disagree with the "too many visual modes for a console experience" statement. As a PC player who struggles with the overabundance of capped @ 30fps games when going to the console, the option to uncap the framerate is a very welcome change. Having 9 visual modes seems much more freeing for someone like me who would prefer to squeeze a few more frames out in order to make game more responsive. I get that not all console players will know what to do with these options, but who really cares? All PC players have always had to learn what their settings do, so why call it an inconvenience when console players are given the option to do the same?
It is amazing that they are planning to release this title on Nintendo Switch. I mean, this title can give XSX heavy frame drops, and yet, they are crazy enough to think about a Switch release.
@@xboxrules8472 good one. 😂 No really though most people wanting to play this won't be able to afford or get a really good PC or console to run it. That's why it's amazing they even considered relaxing it on the switch. And that they made it a reality. Not everyone CAN. Switch :)❤
@@maxkysl9641 no no, it will be a native Switch version, it's confirmed and there are already preorders available. It's gonna be a massacre though, unless they outsourced it to some magicians.
There are broom upgrades that let you go much faster at a higher altitude. Also I can tell the person playing isn’t holding the left trigger which also lets you go much faster.
“You can see the information provided by them and get to your own conclusions….” Sure I agree, but I really like when DF suggests their preferred graphical settings for each system. Makes it a lot simpler when booting up a new game. But for the PS5 players, I can say I’ve been playing it on balanced mode (with a 120Hz screen), capped frame rate, and it has been amazing for the most part. Very few hiccups. That would be my recommendation :)
Yeah, no, recommendations like that are useless. To my eyes, 40fps is still a juddery mess. Thanks to the Steam Deck I’ve discovered that my personal smoothness threshold is a stable 45fps. I remember John saying he preferred 30fps fidelity mode for Horizon Forbidden West back at launch, and I’m sure there’s lots of people who will adjust to that while playing, but it just doesn’t work like that for every set of eyes.
@@arrowknee7356 The flickering while moving the camera and the temporal AA acting up and causing shimmering were horrible, but IIRC John missed that in his initial analysis. Both issues were more noticeable on oleds, and apparently he wasn’t using one for the review. At least that’s how I remember it. But maybe he did mention the shimmering?
Do a video about technical reasons, why PS5 seems to have always better framerate, than Series X? So, is higher GPU frequency much better in the end, than more teraflops? Thanks, this puzzles me a lot
Rich isn't any better than the other crybabies. He had to make the video because he had no choice, the demand was too high. He admitted this last week on the podcast. Pay close attention to how many times he emphasizes the game is based on the movies, implying that it has nothing to do with the original work made by "evil woman who makes the world a bad place blablabla", it's a coping mechanism.
@@symptomaticblackout bit harsh on rich. Think his point on the movies was simply because of a visual representation in game akin to the films. Maybe you are right but I hope not and I don’t get the same impression from him at least
I wish games were released fully functioning regardless of console like the old days. This game couldve been so much better if they took another year to make it work
This will be fascinating to see running on Switch, and the other last gen consoles. Certainly glad I've got a PS5. Hopefully soon I will make a purchase and get some time to play.
Nah, Xbox Series X packs a punch above the PS5 in most games, including demanding ones like Dead Space and Cyberpunk. With Hogwarts Legacy you can tell Sony's bribe money worked to make Avalanche focus on optimizing it more. Ironic the Metacritic Must-Play is the Xbox version, lol.
@@OneLastScholarNo it dosen't. Dead space was fixed on PS5. most games run better on PS5. some games have a slightly higher rez on some xbox versions, but worse fps. PS5 has a 12lane ssd with cache scrubbers, has the fastest input/output os. That's why series x is struggling to move that amount of data like the PS5.
@@OneLastScholar No it doesn't 🤦. I literally watch every digital foundry comparison. The ps5 version is usually the better of the 2... Sorry that you can't accept that.
Richard once said that he could not see any benefit for the 2x faster SSD on the PS5, other than faster load screens. Even now he is blind to the reason behind the glaringly obvious PS5 performance advantage. Does he really not know or is he simply hiding it to place Xbox in a better light. Forget GPU upgrades, CPU bottlenecks and dormant cores. This is not a tflops or porting issue. This is a data throughput issue. The game assets are on the SSD. The game is rapidly streaming the assets from SSD to RAM in real time, so the GPU can render them into frames on the fly. The speed of the SSD transfer is crucial. No tinkering on the XBSX will ever make the performance match the PS5, because you cannot plant the 5,500 MBps PS5 SSD into the 2,500 MBps XBSX.
Fantastic analysis and very useful for many of us. I dabbled with a variety of modes on my PS5 and wasn’t sure which was best. It’s good to have a firmer picture of how each mode presents.
I liked Fidelity with RT at first on the Series X but after trying it on High Performance Mode, I couldn’t go back. I noticed a lot of the reflections were still present on HPM and navigating through Hogwarts felt sooooo smooth. Omg it’s such a difference. I also noticed that this game has a lot of “haze” in the environments. Even on my OLED tv, I can see it. Can only imagine how bad it is on a LED
Such a good game. I’m on Xbox and hoping for better optimisation soon. It seems that you pretty much have to wait up to a month from release to get a decent version of a game these days.
@@McobraR xbox was a main development platform what are you talking about. If ps5 was the main platform to develop for the ps5 release would not have been at the same time as xbox. Its literally what has happened with almost all multiplatform game releases so far. 90% of the time they run worse on xbox day one because its harder to develop for and this will always be the case.
@@matjakobs8612 or don’t play on xbox. performance targets are much harder to hit when developing for xbox and all it’s different hardware that developers are required to make their games compatible for
@@joeydirt420 doesn't explain why some games can perform better on xbox than on ps5. E.G. PC platform shows graphics cards with lower clockspeed but higher cuda cores top the gaming charts. The only way games perform better on ps5 than on xsx is IF the devs focus on clockspeed over cuda core counts, as why you will occasionally see the xbox stretch its legs from time to time.
@@BespokeSlipp just don't watch the first and second seasons PLEASE. the third is fine, almost like "in the old days", and you don't need to watch 1 and 2 to watch 3, which is a huge plus.
@@teacherfromthejungles6671 I watched the first two episodes of season 1 then abandoned it. After watching the RLM reviews of season 1 and 2 i feel i made the right call. That said, season 3 episode 1 does seem to be an improvement. It's still too dark (lighting) but i'm willing it to give it a shot and keep going.
Great analysis, I currently play Hogwarts legacy on Series S in balanced mode and I haven't noticed any of these performance issues mentioned, however I do play on a VRR display.
Appreciate this review, Rich! I'm curious if you have any analysis on HDR here? I've heard from a few people that it's best to leave it off for this game.
Screen Space Ambient Occlusion is really an ill conceived effect to start with, I turn it off in every PC game and removing the effect only improves the visual presentation. The way SSAO has been applied to games for the last decade is one of the big reasons I can get behind the use of Ray Trace Global Illumination, which usually replaces any other ambient occlusion systems and stops horrible effects like this from happening.
@@shebeski In every game where SSAO is used they just darken all the corners of every room. Look around the room you're in right now, how many corners have a wide black shadow? None, in practice light doesn't work like that, your games always look more realistic with SSAO turned off.
@@budthecyborg4575 no, they don't lmao. Some Xbox 360 games have terrible SSAO, I'll give you that. Maybe your monitor has terrible picture or is set up wrong. Most modern AO looks better than nothing. Don't tell me spider man or the last of us looks "more realistic" with no AO. There's tons of titles that do a reasonable job. You played some shitty games years ago that had it badly implemented and now incorrectly turn it off all the time. I've seen what games look like with it off, most of the time the effect is desired and realistic.
@@shebeski You can make an argument that some people want their games to look more like a comic book, which is basically the only case where rooms are represented with dark lines in the corners, but "realistic"? No, that's objectively false.
@@symptomaticblackout too bad... DF should consider stop reviewing Nintendo's games as well, cause J.K. Rowling owns a bunch of Nintendo stocks... Just sayin'😏
We really need to have a discussion on whether or not modern games graphics warrant its performance. I know games are doing much more computationally complex stuff compared to games 5 years ago but they hardly look better but are far more demanding on hardware. I always say that most devs don't optimize as much has they used to and just brute force most of the performance on current gen consoles. How do we get games as complex as Red Dead Redemption 2 with all of those animations and physics on an extremely weak CPU of last gen consoles that run stable for the most part? I don't feel like the performance of modern games are justified by the graphics. Yeah, you can argue on why it is demanding but if it's not something you notice visually then why should it be defended? This is all excluding ray tracing.
One of my biggest Issues with Hogwarts Legacy, that few people will experience is its weird Dolby Atmos mix, the environment is in surround sound, but the voice acting is in stereo, it doesn't matter if you have you back to somebody talking to you their voices always come out of the L and R speaker, I don't agree with this mixing choice and I think it sounds weird and disconnected from the game environment.
It's interesting XBOX seems to have similar performance issues as the PC version... Considering Playstation runs a different API than XBOX (which also uses DX12) the issue may be in that.
Amazing game. You can tell the developers have poured thousands of hours into fully realizing the experience and the aesthetic of this universe. Exploring Hogwarts Castle, taking in all the secrets in the environments. It's an absolutely magical experience. This game is nearly perfect in every facet. Definitely the best game of 2023 so far. Runs like a dream on PS5. Honored to have Richard review this masterpiece of a game!
I wonder if those animated paintings are causing some of these issues. Practically every wall has them and the engine has to essentially play multiple (sometimes like 10 or more) video files on top of everything else. Performance seems much better in areas away from buildings that contain these paintings like caves and the forest.
It is an engine problem. Unreal under-utilises modern CPUs, and bottlenecks because of it. This can be improved somewhat by the developer in some ways, for example just better and more efficient code (especially when they’re using many blueprints), but eventually the engine needs a fundamental update to address this behaviour.
I guess the game runs better on PS5? I have both systems, debating buying this game, and for which system. Sounds the PlayStation is the way to go this time.
Calling this game a movie tie-in is a mistake. It wasn't the plan whatsoever. Avalanche created the world following the book and the book's author descriptions but using some well established looks from the movie series. The world around us is the same, obviously but rhe plot and the narrative is entirely new
I wonder how long those door opening loading circles are on last gen and the Switch :D While they never take that long they can sometimes be annoying in Hogwarts.
I play on fidelity mode on series x n have not seen one screen tear or anything . A little level of detail effects pop in and out but that instaLOD tech is so nice.
I rarely get the 2D loading symbol on the Series X like he's saying. Like it's probably happened a couple of times. And I am dozens of hours in. Weird.
Been waiting for the definitive DF tech review of this game. I can now purchase the best version for me (PS5) with total confidence. Thank you. BTW, think Rich should do more of these type of tech reviews.
Rich graces us with an editorial connoisseur which is quite refreshing and strikingly different from the usual Digital Foundry's technical focused graphic and game element dissection and analysis. Amazing Review! Thank you!!!
Damn, I'm 70 hours in on PS5, with a 120hz vrr TV. I never would've realized how much xbox was struggling with this game. At the start, I was like, "What's he talking about with performance issues???" Then the ps5 comparison came up, we got it good over here.
For me its running very Stable now on pc at 4k ultra with rtx ultra on 30-40fps, without Reflections rt i could get 60 nur they look to good 🙈 so i now went down to dlss balanced which works fine
@@cured_bacon647 My point is that they are continuously putting patches out that is improving optimization so maybe retuning to it in a few months would be a good idea
Why is the Xbox Series X so unstable in so many games while the PS5 runs everything just fine? Aren't the PS5 and Xbox Series X supposed to be equal? Does the Xbox Series X have some sort of bottleneck, is it held back by the Series S, or do developers just don't bother anymore with optimizing their games on Xbox?
*Frequency illusion, also known as the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon or frequency bias, is a cognitive bias in which, after noticing something for the first time, there is a tendency to notice it more often, leading someone to believe that it has an increased frequency of occurrence.* Pretty much every DF video I see Xbox has been winning since the One X
Love your analysis as it helps me decide which console version I choose. Seems like, despite lower raw horsepower, PS5 often performs better in games. I play both my consoles but tend to play anything not on GamePass on the PS5. Thanks for all your hard work!
It's ridiculous. You would think developers would optimize the game to be best possible experience for the console, thus meaning the Series X version would rule but sadly that doesn't seem to be the case.
Yeah I wonder what the deal is with that? In any case it's made me glad that I picked the PS5 as my console of choice to compliment my PC. Perhaps it's purely down to resources? Microsoft's approach with having two different performance tiers for the series consoles means developers have to do two different builds compared to the one for PS5. Then factor in the significantly larger install base of the PS5 and I can see why perhaps it ends up with the better end result, despite technically being a bit slower.
instead of having 2 consoles or 1pc 1 console, u can buy 1 powerful PC, bcz as he said in video consoles use amds old fsr1 card. very weak. no use. nowadays playstion relese exclusive games to pc also. so no need to have console
@@coolmonkey5269 The PC version has Denuvo DRM. Hurts performance amd makes your singleplayer game online-only. Unacceptable in my book. Games like this are why we need consoles. No garbage anti-consumer DRM.
FINALLY! Great video and analysis. You guys always nail it. I was very anticipating this video because of all the various options settings for visuals and the fact that it doesn't really tell you the FPS in the game..
If I had to guess, the culprit for high CPU usage on the PC (and likely the same issue plaguing the XSX), I would say that PS5's IO was the development target (or simply a heavy emphasis on just-in-time asset streaming), compensated for by the CPUs of other systems. As PS5 can load directly from the compressed SSD into in-format (eg. compressed) GPU memory, it bypasses the drive to RAM to GPU, which must be coordinated via a slew of CPU calls, and more to modify some of the data (eg. swizzle into VRAM). If you're loading assets on-the-fly (eg. LoD mesh, or higher res texture, etc), this would be a near constant thing as the character moves around the world. This isn't a bottleneck of bandwidth, it's one of latency.
Seems so unlikely that I wouldn't imagine it to be the case. The game was always in development for the previous generation as well. Focusing on the PS5 I/O for development would make it near impossible to run on the previous generation, necessitating a bespoke version on the previous consoles. That is both more expensive and more work. It just doesn't make sense. Given it's 6 year dev cycle, it's more likely that the current hardware suffers from tech debt more than anything else. They wouldn't have even had devkits for the PS5 or Series consoles when they started development.
@Greg H it's always the same with you Microsoft fanboys. Either the tools aren't ready, or Sony paid them to gimp it on the Series consoles. Hate to burst your bubble, the Series X is barely more powerful than a PS5. On top of that, the titles that perform better for the Series consoles will have to be heavily tooled for compute and overcome its poorly planned split memory. There is a reason those consoles aren't the best performers for every title. Best get used to it now. That's how it's going to be going forward. Ideally, you'd own both and not miss any of the great offerings from either side. It sure beats simping blindly for a corporation out of ignorance.
It's going to be extremely ambitious to see how well the Switch version will handle this game, especially with the load times and rare huge frame rate drop dips I've noticed (on the enemy wave battles) when I played this on PS5!
Just got this on PS5 for 19.99... I have owned it for a moment on PC. I have never seen the movies but the game is pretty amazing. Ran like shat on PC when it first released but now you can run it on something as old as a i7 860 and a GTX 1050 ti!
Crazy how hardware wise, when Ps5 and series X first launched, everyone thought the Xbox was gonna mop the floor with the Ps5. Sony knows how to build a damn good console.
This is still very early in the generation as time goes on the games will get more demanding and Xbox will be ready for the long haul. Their exclusives when released will show the performance difference between the two first.
@@TheDeeboy717Xbox has flaws and bottlenecks, it isn't inherently superior to the PS5, the reduced I/O, split bandwidth and having to design for two SKUs hold back the Series X.
I noticed a lot of light flickering in the castle in Fidelity Raytracing mode on PS5. Had to turn it off. Any idea what would cause that and if there is a way to fix it?
Yea uncapped frame rate is a pretty simple idea. Dont see how options for how the machine gets used is bad. The real issue is how the game isn't running great on xbox consoles. On PS5 there seemed to be a memory leak making the game run worse.
He did say it was useful for future consoles. But really it's only useful for the performance modes, which are very soft visually. With balanced mode, most VRR 120hz TV's bottom out at 48hz, so the fps cap still needs to be used.
@@Cyberdyne12 it’d be useful for the balanced mode as well, and would push things I assume to a max of 120. Only one I’m not sure is the uncapped quality modes, If they’d cap to 60, or could go past that
Because it means they need to create and check the technical stability/requirements of those modes. It means the creator's work power is divided. It means too much nonsensical options. Instead of having total of 10 modes, give me two really solid, acceptable modes. Focus on them and squeze every visual fidelity or performance out of them. Without VRR or similar tech, uncapping is never a good thing. Especially console, TV domain. This is not a competetive shooter game. Just lock the frames and focus on visual fidelity.
@@Gkhn32 I don't get it? Why don't you cap the frame rate like you want it to be. These modes are very basic, they mostly lower the resolution or decrease the settings that are just copied and pasted from PC into the console hardware. This is a multi-platform game thats how they "optimize" these ports. But by looking the PC version it runs like doodoo anyway.
@@funbrute31 to achieve higher performance you can either increase the clock or widen your architecture (more cores). With higher clock, all software will benefit from it. While widening the architecture require software developers to engineer their software to utilise the additional core/components. Both have limits though; higher clock will result in high power consumption and temperature hence exotic liquid metal solution on PS5. On the other hand, wide architecture requires more work from developer for it to achieve its potential. Also, there are many workloads that doesn't benefits wide architecture.
@@bltzcstrnx the "wide architecture" isnt Even a real term. You are refereing to SMT on/off basically. Now ,considering both consoles are running at the same settings, it's clear the advantage is in software here. PS5 low level API has been showing it's capabilities since day 1
@@funbrute31 it's not SMT, I'm talking about GPU. Xbox opt for 52 CUs with lower clock for thermal reason. While PS5 chooses for 36 CUs and higher clock for ease of development (some also saying because of PS4 Pro compatibility, since that also have 36 CUs). Higher clock is easier to develop since everything will run faster. While developing for architecture with more processing units (cores, CUs, etc) require more care. You need to optimally divide the workload for it to utilise all of the available CUs.
I normally on PS5 don't play game on fidelity because I prefer 60fps and 30fps normally makes me feel a bit dizzy when turning the camera. This is the first game that doesn't do that. The environments are amazing looking. I love the game.
Amazing to see Rich once again reviewing. His way with words are just amazing. We need more analysis from him.
We need more of his reviews, as someone said here, he s the David Attenborough of games.
@@carlosdonizetti9573 I could probably watch 40 more years of videos from him
Such a relaxing voice.
He had to, because John and Alex were facing hate on REEEEEEEEEE had they reviewed the game.
He’s just so genuine in how he talks unlike John or Oliver
Don't think I've seen a DF game review from Rich in a while, this is a nice surprise indeed. Keep up the good work guys.
Well that's because someone had a meltdown on Twitter over this game and deleted his tweet, so Rich stepped up.
@@worsel555 precisely lol
@@STRHYKKER rich isn't John
@@worsel555 I was so disappointed to see that, and I’ve come to expect a lot more from John. He doesn’t have to like HP, that’s fine - but his tweets were filled with so much hate and condescension. It was disappointing, especially because in all of his videos and interviews he’s always so professional and polite
and in the DF Direct where they clarified if they would cover the game, only Rich talked about it without ANY input from John and Alex, Rich is probably trying to protect the other members from any backlash given some people have been attacked after reviewing or streaming the game, either that or simply nobody else wanted to cover it.
Glad we got this guy to do this video, he literally is digital foundry
Question is, why we still not have any commrnts on Hogwarts Legacy PC topics. This definately should be covered more, considering how much impact this title has.
@@Szydelski they don’t make pc videos anymore they only care about consoles despite the fact that the PC market is the biggest market and has never been as big as it is. Dumb move on their part
@@brucetus I think it is more related to fact Alex is willingly not covering PC port due to his personal attitude to the Hogwarts Legacy. Apparently nobody else in DF was able or wanted to go into PC issues. A bit sad, since Rich is also a PC gamer, right? He could cover it as well.
@@brucetuscorrection: the mobile gaming market is the biggest, bigger than pc and console combined.
Richard Leadbetter needs to be heard from with more regularity. Awesome review!
Indeed. He's so much better at it than (know nothing) John or Alex - imo.
@@vgnvideogameninja2930 I mean decades of experience, so yeah.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was brought about by the controversy around John and not liking kids games.
He's my favorite !! I love Alex and John too, but Rich is the BEST !!
John needs more tantrums in order for that to happen
Thanks Rich! From the different performance profiles, to just how slow this game progresses to get to a point where you can do your tests, I appreciate the time you put into this. I hope you get a chance to analyze the game for Steam Deck and PC
Covering all these modes across 3 consoles in 20 minutes is basically a speed run accomplishment 😃.
Seriously though...thanks for this Richard. Thanks for staying true to your reporter's integrity amidst the controversy. Much respect and I'm looking forward to the PC version analysis because that one should be very interesting indeed!
Another thing to mention is that uncapping the framerate on ps5 seems to lower the color bit rate and significantly makes shadows much greyer and ambient occlusion appears much flatter.
Do you have LG C9?
Finding myself loving these technical analysis video reviews more and more. These always help in deciding which modes to go with. DF always delivering the content gamers care about. 👏
With that said, anyone else still spend way to long switching between modes to spot the subtle differences? I stay going to random scenic areas in games and will spend exorbitant amounts of time in each mode just to see how the grass looks different in the distance. 🤓🤓
I was happy to see this post and see I wasn't the only weirdo who did that with the modes. 😄
@@hyperspeed_心猿 bro, its definitely a thing 😆 🤣
Thanks Rich!! You’re an absolute wizard when it comes to reviews!!
I see what you did there.
I'm running this game on a PS5 on a C2 42 LG OLED in balanced mode. Most of the time it is an absolute stunner! Clearly there were a lot of Harry Potter nerds amongst the development team :)
I'm doing the exact same.
Make sure you keep fps lock on.
@@Cyberdyne12 uncapped FPS mode is awful on my TV. I’m using an OLED so I don’t know if that matters?
@@thelargenugget3458 Doesn't your OLED have GSync?
@@Cyberdyne12 Why?
I’m using Sony A90j with Ps5 still not sure which one is the best mode.
Gotta love Richard Leadbetter's work. Always excellent.
Yeah, and he actually has true journalistic integrity - Unlike some....
Extremely noble of Richard to step up to the plate on this one, shielding his colleagues from the inevitable onslaught. Much respect.
Don't give a very vocal online mob of bullies and people caught up in the wake of their witch hunt of the month any power.
@@sellingacoerwa8318 so true ❤
Of course Rich is loyal to his team but some of the cringe wokerati he employs don't really deserve to be shielded. They made their bed, now they can lie in it. Tom and Rich are the only ones I will listen to now.
Really great review, exposing the highlights and lowlights of the rendering decisions. Performance options are actually understandable for a console, given the variety of monitors capable of high FR and VRR.
I really hope DF do PC review, with any extra PC options, and Alex's optimised settings.
Yeah, lack of any comment regarding PC Hogwarts Legacy for so much time seems annoying.
Yay a Rich video! Video was amazingly indepth. Years later watching every video and this channel still blows my mind with the fascinating analysis of games. Cheers guys
"stand aside, I'll handle this" -Rich to the DF staff 💪
Loving the amount of choice and options making their way to console games. As always, great video comparing all these options to help us decide.
A Raging Rich Review! Great job! You should do more of these in the future. Btw, I'm enjoying this game so far at level 23. Looking forward to the last gen breakdown.
I'm so happy we live in a world where pre rendered cutscenes have the same clarity as in game footage.
Who remembers playing games in 720p - 1080p on 360 then a cutscene would play in 240p absolutely ruining your immersion?
This is true
Wholeheartedly disagree with the "too many visual modes for a console experience" statement. As a PC player who struggles with the overabundance of capped @ 30fps games when going to the console, the option to uncap the framerate is a very welcome change. Having 9 visual modes seems much more freeing for someone like me who would prefer to squeeze a few more frames out in order to make game more responsive. I get that not all console players will know what to do with these options, but who really cares? All PC players have always had to learn what their settings do, so why call it an inconvenience when console players are given the option to do the same?
How can you run past all those cats wthout petting them? I personally find that impossible.
Glad you did a review, Rich. It's been a while, good to hear from you again. 🙂
Journalists, just bring the news, i don't want to know your personal opinions. Thanks Richard for being a professional!!!!
It is amazing that they are planning to release this title on Nintendo Switch. I mean, this title can give XSX heavy frame drops, and yet, they are crazy enough to think about a Switch release.
I'm down for a retro PS1 inspired version of the game.
I'm not even joking, it'd be cool as hell lol
It's named switch because that is what you'll want to do.
@@xboxrules8472 good one. 😂 No really though most people wanting to play this won't be able to afford or get a really good PC or console to run it. That's why it's amazing they even considered relaxing it on the switch. And that they made it a reality. Not everyone CAN. Switch :)❤
@@IDrawToothpicks Most people have already played it. I couldn't even imagine "trying" to play it with specs that laughable.
Looking forward to seeing the comparisons when the Switch version finally releases!
probably gonna be cloud version
@@maxkysl9641 they confirmed its running locally
@@maxkysl9641 no no, it will be a native Switch version, it's confirmed and there are already preorders available. It's gonna be a massacre though, unless they outsourced it to some magicians.
Why on earth would you play this on a switch
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 switch might as well play it on gamecube
Nice to see someone remembered they have a job to do instead of just calling this game "kids bullshit" and throwing a tantrum on twitter
There are broom upgrades that let you go much faster at a higher altitude. Also I can tell the person playing isn’t holding the left trigger which also lets you go much faster.
I thought is was the right trigger, or can you hold both? Looks like they were going fast though because that blurring effect was being shown.
It just appears faster with the left trigger, but the distance travelled is the same
It's clear that Rich did the review to protect his staff from harassment.
Rich showing why he is the "Mr Digital Foundry Himself"
Didn’t the guy start the company I would hope so 😂
The review none of the team wanted to do and...the game turned out great! 😁
“You can see the information provided by them and get to your own conclusions….” Sure I agree, but I really like when DF suggests their preferred graphical settings for each system. Makes it a lot simpler when booting up a new game. But for the PS5 players, I can say I’ve been playing it on balanced mode (with a 120Hz screen), capped frame rate, and it has been amazing for the most part. Very few hiccups. That would be my recommendation :)
Yeah, no, recommendations like that are useless. To my eyes, 40fps is still a juddery mess. Thanks to the Steam Deck I’ve discovered that my personal smoothness threshold is a stable 45fps.
I remember John saying he preferred 30fps fidelity mode for Horizon Forbidden West back at launch, and I’m sure there’s lots of people who will adjust to that while playing, but it just doesn’t work like that for every set of eyes.
The 60 fps mode has too much obvious visual cutback. So I switched to balanced mode as well. Can't play at 30 fps.
@@jaspelino1963 That was more due to the flickering present at launch in that game in performance mode which has since been fixed. v:)
@@arrowknee7356 The flickering while moving the camera and the temporal AA acting up and causing shimmering were horrible, but IIRC John missed that in his initial analysis. Both issues were more noticeable on oleds, and apparently he wasn’t using one for the review.
At least that’s how I remember it. But maybe he did mention the shimmering?
Balance is my go to as well with this game on my series x. Should try it uncapped with my VRR display
Played it on regular Fidelity mode on my series x and really enjoyed it.
Do a video about technical reasons, why PS5 seems to have always better framerate, than Series X? So, is higher GPU frequency much better in the end, than more teraflops? Thanks, this puzzles me a lot
Not complaining but the only reason we get rich in this review is because the other guy was against this game.
Can you explain?
@@ruffrida100Maybe it was because of the boycott of J.K. Rowling after her « transphobic message »
Great to see Richard stepping in as the big man for the big occasion on this one. Amazing analysis as always from the Digital Foundry team.
Rich is the man for our time
Well it definitely wasn't going to be John after seeing that tweet
Rich isn't any better than the other crybabies. He had to make the video because he had no choice, the demand was too high. He admitted this last week on the podcast. Pay close attention to how many times he emphasizes the game is based on the movies, implying that it has nothing to do with the original work made by "evil woman who makes the world a bad place blablabla", it's a coping mechanism.
@@symptomaticblackout You got your video - now quit whining you little snowflake.
@@symptomaticblackout bit harsh on rich. Think his point on the movies was simply because of a visual representation in game akin to the films. Maybe you are right but I hope not and I don’t get the same impression from him at least
I wish games were released fully functioning regardless of console like the old days. This game couldve been so much better if they took another year to make it work
This will be fascinating to see running on Switch, and the other last gen consoles. Certainly glad I've got a PS5. Hopefully soon I will make a purchase and get some time to play.
Yeah the ps5 definitely ended up being the better console this generation.
Nah, Xbox Series X packs a punch above the PS5 in most games, including demanding ones like Dead Space and Cyberpunk. With Hogwarts Legacy you can tell Sony's bribe money worked to make Avalanche focus on optimizing it more. Ironic the Metacritic Must-Play is the Xbox version, lol.
@@OneLastScholar cope
@@OneLastScholarNo it dosen't. Dead space was fixed on PS5. most games run better on PS5. some games have a slightly higher rez on some xbox versions, but worse fps.
PS5 has a 12lane ssd with cache scrubbers, has the fastest input/output os. That's why series x is struggling to move that amount of data like the PS5.
@@OneLastScholar No it doesn't 🤦. I literally watch every digital foundry comparison. The ps5 version is usually the better of the 2... Sorry that you can't accept that.
Thank you for covering this Richard!
Witchard*
@@ChrisThePlayer777 i like it!
Richard once said that he could not see any benefit for the 2x faster SSD on the PS5, other than faster load screens. Even now he is blind to the reason behind the glaringly obvious PS5 performance advantage. Does he really not know or is he simply hiding it to place Xbox in a better light. Forget GPU upgrades, CPU bottlenecks and dormant cores.
This is not a tflops or porting issue. This is a data throughput issue. The game assets are on the SSD. The game is rapidly streaming the assets from SSD to RAM in real time, so the GPU can render them into frames on the fly. The speed of the SSD transfer is crucial. No tinkering on the XBSX will ever make the performance match the PS5, because you cannot plant the 5,500 MBps PS5 SSD into the 2,500 MBps XBSX.
Fantastic analysis and very useful for many of us. I dabbled with a variety of modes on my PS5 and wasn’t sure which was best. It’s good to have a firmer picture of how each mode presents.
Great job on the video Rich, nice to see you back on a performance analysis review. Thanks for all the hard work you do! We really appreciate it.
So we're never going to get a pc analysis ? It was the most important one because that's where there are most of the problems...
I liked Fidelity with RT at first on the Series X but after trying it on High Performance Mode, I couldn’t go back. I noticed a lot of the reflections were still present on HPM and navigating through Hogwarts felt sooooo smooth. Omg it’s such a difference.
I also noticed that this game has a lot of “haze” in the environments. Even on my OLED tv, I can see it. Can only imagine how bad it is on a LED
Don't worry your teraflops will help you 😂
@@SolarErazer I’ve got something floppy for you 😉
I turned down the HDR brightness to 18 and that negates the haziness
@@VC777 I turned it down to 22 but I’ll try 18. Thanks! 🙏
Such a good game. I’m on Xbox and hoping for better optimisation soon. It seems that you pretty much have to wait up to a month from release to get a decent version of a game these days.
Easy fix. Don't buy at launch
Yeh that's the downside when playing on a platform that isn't the main development platform. Can only hope they better optimise the game for Xbox.
@@McobraR xbox was a main development platform what are you talking about. If ps5 was the main platform to develop for the ps5 release would not have been at the same time as xbox. Its literally what has happened with almost all multiplatform game releases so far. 90% of the time they run worse on xbox day one because its harder to develop for and this will always be the case.
@@matjakobs8612 or don’t play on xbox. performance targets are much harder to hit when developing for xbox and all it’s different hardware that developers are required to make their games compatible for
@@joeydirt420 doesn't explain why some games can perform better on xbox than on ps5. E.G. PC platform shows graphics cards with lower clockspeed but higher cuda cores top the gaming charts. The only way games perform better on ps5 than on xsx is IF the devs focus on clockspeed over cuda core counts, as why you will occasionally see the xbox stretch its legs from time to time.
Rich taking the lead on this one reminds me of the episode of TNG when Picard takes the helm to navigate them out of the Booby Trap.
Yes!!! I want to rewatch Next Generation now, and maybe I’ll finally get around to the new Picard show on Paramount
@@BespokeSlipp just don't watch the first and second seasons PLEASE. the third is fine, almost like "in the old days", and you don't need to watch 1 and 2 to watch 3, which is a huge plus.
Boobie Trans Trance
@@teacherfromthejungles6671 I watched the first two episodes of season 1 then abandoned it. After watching the RLM reviews of season 1 and 2 i feel i made the right call. That said, season 3 episode 1 does seem to be an improvement. It's still too dark (lighting) but i'm willing it to give it a shot and keep going.
Great analysis, I currently play Hogwarts legacy on Series S in balanced mode and I haven't noticed any of these performance issues mentioned, however I do play on a VRR display.
What's the common resolution?
Appreciate this review, Rich! I'm curious if you have any analysis on HDR here? I've heard from a few people that it's best to leave it off for this game.
I’ve thought the HDR looks pretty great in my experience
If someone says to leave it off, then they just don't know what they're doing while configuring. It works great on PS5 with HGIG on an OLED
I have definitely noticed the shadow issues generated by the Ambient Occlusion. Once I noticed it, I can't un-notice it.
Screen Space Ambient Occlusion is really an ill conceived effect to start with, I turn it off in every PC game and removing the effect only improves the visual presentation.
The way SSAO has been applied to games for the last decade is one of the big reasons I can get behind the use of Ray Trace Global Illumination, which usually replaces any other ambient occlusion systems and stops horrible effects like this from happening.
@@budthecyborg4575 Brutal. Many games look fantastic with it. Turning it off is ridiculous.
@@shebeski In every game where SSAO is used they just darken all the corners of every room.
Look around the room you're in right now, how many corners have a wide black shadow? None, in practice light doesn't work like that, your games always look more realistic with SSAO turned off.
@@budthecyborg4575 no, they don't lmao. Some Xbox 360 games have terrible SSAO, I'll give you that. Maybe your monitor has terrible picture or is set up wrong.
Most modern AO looks better than nothing. Don't tell me spider man or the last of us looks "more realistic" with no AO. There's tons of titles that do a reasonable job. You played some shitty games years ago that had it badly implemented and now incorrectly turn it off all the time.
I've seen what games look like with it off, most of the time the effect is desired and realistic.
@@shebeski You can make an argument that some people want their games to look more like a comic book, which is basically the only case where rooms are represented with dark lines in the corners, but "realistic"? No, that's objectively false.
14:14-15:25 How come there is such a large difference in performance between PS5 and XSX? Is it the hardware or just poor optimization?
It would be nice to know what your "preferred" mode is
Good to see Mr Leadbetter back on game reviews.
Awesome DF review/analysis. Looking forward to the analysis of the PC version.
won't happen, alex is too woke.
@@symptomaticblackout too bad... DF should consider stop reviewing Nintendo's games as well, cause J.K. Rowling owns a bunch of Nintendo stocks... Just sayin'😏
@@symptomaticblackout How do you know?
You can upgrade your broom twice and use the left trigger for a temporary speed boost
*3 times
@@Cyberdyne12 right, whoops
Shame there aren’t different types of broom, like the Firebolt. I wonder why they didn’t do this? A missed opportunity
Fidelity with ray tracing performing a lot better now after todays update on PS5
what about performance mode on PS5? is it stable? I plan to buy the PS5 version
Been using RT and no big issues. I notice it is not as smooth as performance mode but this type of game does not require it.
@@seidogamerz3701 Performance mode is almost perfect. You'll be fine.
@@seidogamerz3701 very solid so far about 15 hours in, little stutters when loading every once in a while.
Yeah that's been my go-to mode since day 1. It's the best mode to play imo
Df: Consoles need more options
Dev gives options
DF: its too much
Notice how he didn't show the PS5 load time to not damage xbox much more 😂
Lmao
It’s because the loading time as basically non existence on both platforms.
We really need to have a discussion on whether or not modern games graphics warrant its performance. I know games are doing much more computationally complex stuff compared to games 5 years ago but they hardly look better but are far more demanding on hardware. I always say that most devs don't optimize as much has they used to and just brute force most of the performance on current gen consoles.
How do we get games as complex as Red Dead Redemption 2 with all of those animations and physics on an extremely weak CPU of last gen consoles that run stable for the most part?
I don't feel like the performance of modern games are justified by the graphics. Yeah, you can argue on why it is demanding but if it's not something you notice visually then why should it be defended?
This is all excluding ray tracing.
One of my biggest Issues with Hogwarts Legacy, that few people will experience is its weird Dolby Atmos mix, the environment is in surround sound, but the voice acting is in stereo, it doesn't matter if you have you back to somebody talking to you their voices always come out of the L and R speaker, I don't agree with this mixing choice and I think it sounds weird and disconnected from the game environment.
It's interesting XBOX seems to have similar performance issues as the PC version...
Considering Playstation runs a different API than XBOX (which also uses DX12) the issue may be in that.
Devs port PC version to xbox since both use DX12. PS gets a dedicated version.
The game was clearly made for ps5 first and then ported to the other platforms. Really disappointing for Xbox and pc players
DX12 is pretty heavy. Definitely at its limits
Amazing game. You can tell the developers have poured thousands of hours into fully realizing the experience and the aesthetic of this universe. Exploring Hogwarts Castle, taking in all the secrets in the environments. It's an absolutely magical experience. This game is nearly perfect in every facet. Definitely the best game of 2023 so far. Runs like a dream on PS5. Honored to have Richard review this masterpiece of a game!
I wonder if those animated paintings are causing some of these issues. Practically every wall has them and the engine has to essentially play multiple (sometimes like 10 or more) video files on top of everything else. Performance seems much better in areas away from buildings that contain these paintings like caves and the forest.
It is an engine problem. Unreal under-utilises modern CPUs, and bottlenecks because of it. This can be improved somewhat by the developer in some ways, for example just better and more efficient code (especially when they’re using many blueprints), but eventually the engine needs a fundamental update to address this behaviour.
@Erik Does unreal 5 do better with balancing across multiple cores? I'd be surprised if it doesn't.
@@zengamer21 Unreal 5 is fantastic. It runs like a dream across many configurations much more smoothly. I'd be surprised if not.
I guess the game runs better on PS5? I have both systems, debating buying this game, and for which system. Sounds the PlayStation is the way to go this time.
Calling this game a movie tie-in is a mistake. It wasn't the plan whatsoever. Avalanche created the world following the book and the book's author descriptions but using some well established looks from the movie series. The world around us is the same, obviously but rhe plot and the narrative is entirely new
I wonder how long those door opening loading circles are on last gen and the Switch :D
While they never take that long they can sometimes be annoying in Hogwarts.
I play on fidelity mode on series x n have not seen one screen tear or anything . A little level of detail effects pop in and out but that instaLOD tech is so nice.
I rarely get the 2D loading symbol on the Series X like he's saying. Like it's probably happened a couple of times. And I am dozens of hours in. Weird.
Been waiting for the definitive DF tech review of this game. I can now purchase the best version for me (PS5) with total confidence. Thank you. BTW, think Rich should do more of these type of tech reviews.
Rich graces us with an editorial connoisseur which is quite refreshing and strikingly different from the usual Digital Foundry's technical focused graphic and game element dissection and analysis. Amazing Review! Thank you!!!
About 10-12 days late…
Well at least better late than never. And love to hear Rich back in the chair.
The backlash for not doing it was bigger than the one for doing it.
Damn, I'm 70 hours in on PS5, with a 120hz vrr TV. I never would've realized how much xbox was struggling with this game. At the start, I was like, "What's he talking about with performance issues???" Then the ps5 comparison came up, we got it good over here.
This might be one to keep coming back to as the recent patch that came out on Friday improved performance for many
For me its running very Stable now on pc at 4k ultra with rtx ultra on 30-40fps, without Reflections rt i could get 60 nur they look to good 🙈 so i now went down to dlss balanced which works fine
Did you even watch the video? This review is with the latest patch
And it mostly addressed PC issues, not console.
@@kewa_design which card
@@cured_bacon647 My point is that they are continuously putting patches out that is improving optimization so maybe retuning to it in a few months would be a good idea
Why is the Xbox Series X so unstable in so many games while the PS5 runs everything just fine?
Aren't the PS5 and Xbox Series X supposed to be equal?
Does the Xbox Series X have some sort of bottleneck, is it held back by the Series S, or do developers just don't bother anymore with optimizing their games on Xbox?
PS5 outperforming the series X again.
*Frequency illusion, also known as the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon or frequency bias, is a cognitive bias in which, after noticing something for the first time, there is a tendency to notice it more often, leading someone to believe that it has an increased frequency of occurrence.*
Pretty much every DF video I see Xbox has been winning since the One X
Love your analysis as it helps me decide which console version I choose. Seems like, despite lower raw horsepower, PS5 often performs better in games. I play both my consoles but tend to play anything not on GamePass on the PS5. Thanks for all your hard work!
It's ridiculous. You would think developers would optimize the game to be best possible experience for the console, thus meaning the Series X version would rule but sadly that doesn't seem to be the case.
Yeah I wonder what the deal is with that? In any case it's made me glad that I picked the PS5 as my console of choice to compliment my PC.
Perhaps it's purely down to resources? Microsoft's approach with having two different performance tiers for the series consoles means developers have to do two different builds compared to the one for PS5. Then factor in the significantly larger install base of the PS5 and I can see why perhaps it ends up with the better end result, despite technically being a bit slower.
instead of having 2 consoles or 1pc 1 console, u can buy 1 powerful PC, bcz as he said in video consoles use amds old fsr1 card. very weak. no use. nowadays playstion relese exclusive games to pc also. so no need to have console
@@coolmonkey5269 The PC version has Denuvo DRM. Hurts performance amd makes your singleplayer game online-only. Unacceptable in my book. Games like this are why we need consoles. No garbage anti-consumer DRM.
Higher gpu clockrate as ps5 harsware senior engineer said
FINALLY! Great video and analysis. You guys always nail it. I was very anticipating this video because of all the various options settings for visuals and the fact that it doesn't really tell you the FPS in the game..
I’m playing ps5 oled c2 balanced mode and it feels very good and I’m super impressed
*thanos breathes heavily*
On Series X it runs really good as well.
cant imagine how this will run on Switch
480p, no AA, flat lighting and 20 fps is my guess
Rich please make more reviews. Out of the three if you that make videos i just tend to enjoy yours the most.
he is not really playing games
I love thta you can uncap the framrate in all those modes. It makes the game future proof.
IMHO all games these days should have an uncapped mode for future-proofing.
why not port the pc version to consoles for future proof
I was actually impressed with the combat. I didn’t think it would be as good as it is.
I appreciate DF not jumping on the bandwagon. It's completely unfair to penalize the developers who have worked tirelessly on a pretty decent game.
That john guy is scared of transvestites though
If I had to guess, the culprit for high CPU usage on the PC (and likely the same issue plaguing the XSX), I would say that PS5's IO was the development target (or simply a heavy emphasis on just-in-time asset streaming), compensated for by the CPUs of other systems. As PS5 can load directly from the compressed SSD into in-format (eg. compressed) GPU memory, it bypasses the drive to RAM to GPU, which must be coordinated via a slew of CPU calls, and more to modify some of the data (eg. swizzle into VRAM). If you're loading assets on-the-fly (eg. LoD mesh, or higher res texture, etc), this would be a near constant thing as the character moves around the world. This isn't a bottleneck of bandwidth, it's one of latency.
Seems so unlikely that I wouldn't imagine it to be the case. The game was always in development for the previous generation as well. Focusing on the PS5 I/O for development would make it near impossible to run on the previous generation, necessitating a bespoke version on the previous consoles. That is both more expensive and more work. It just doesn't make sense. Given it's 6 year dev cycle, it's more likely that the current hardware suffers from tech debt more than anything else. They wouldn't have even had devkits for the PS5 or Series consoles when they started development.
@@mikew1080 Sony paid for the extra effort
@Greg H it's always the same with you Microsoft fanboys. Either the tools aren't ready, or Sony paid them to gimp it on the Series consoles. Hate to burst your bubble, the Series X is barely more powerful than a PS5. On top of that, the titles that perform better for the Series consoles will have to be heavily tooled for compute and overcome its poorly planned split memory. There is a reason those consoles aren't the best performers for every title. Best get used to it now. That's how it's going to be going forward.
Ideally, you'd own both and not miss any of the great offerings from either side. It sure beats simping blindly for a corporation out of ignorance.
Wow, I don't remember the last time Rich covered a game, but this is an excellent analysis.
Covering it because the others are too woke...
@@davemeredith6964 I was just about to say that. I enjoy DF content, but you cant deny those other dudes are the wokest bunch ever.
being busy == being woke now apparently.
It's going to be extremely ambitious to see how well the Switch version will handle this game, especially with the load times and rare huge frame rate drop dips I've noticed (on the enemy wave battles) when I played this on PS5!
It'll run better than Scarlet/Violet, that's for sure...
@@BBWahoo If that happens for real, then that would embarrass Game Freak for sure. LMAO!
Witcher 3 runs decent on switch, maybe this one will be the same.
will run like the witcher 3 and thats not the worst, its like 720p30, so at least playable
Awesome to hear a game analysis fro Rich! It's been a while but this was great.
Rich is DF and DF is Rich
Daddy Richie had to make the video because Little Johnny is scared of Potter.
Well done to Rich for being the only grown up left in the room. Big game, we wanna see the DF treatment.
Just got this on PS5 for 19.99... I have owned it for a moment on PC. I have never seen the movies but the game is pretty amazing. Ran like shat on PC when it first released but now you can run it on something as old as a i7 860 and a GTX 1050 ti!
very glad you guys covered this.
Now we know how mid it is
@Dee Dee atleast its selling extremely well. I'm glad Joanne is getting an insane influx of cash from this, she deserves it.
Great tech review Rich! The game looks better than I thought it would. Waiting for Alex's PC port analysis now.
Won't happen, alex is too woke he might get injured playing the game.
@@symptomaticblackout Are you aware that there is a trans character in the game?
I very much doubt Alex will be going near this.
@@symptomaticblackout I thought only John had a problem with Harry Potter...
@@R17759 tell that to the woke foundry, they need to know before crying on twitter.
Moral of the story get a PS5
Wow ps5 is smoking series x
Crazy how hardware wise, when Ps5 and series X first launched, everyone thought the Xbox was gonna mop the floor with the Ps5. Sony knows how to build a damn good console.
Sony knows clock speed is king
This is still very early in the generation as time goes on the games will get more demanding and Xbox will be ready for the long haul. Their exclusives when released will show the performance difference between the two first.
@@TheDeeboy717 there is zero reason to own an xbox. Every single game can be played on pc.
@@DENTSHAVEMENTALILLNES you’re still giving MS your money so have at it
@@TheDeeboy717Xbox has flaws and bottlenecks, it isn't inherently superior to the PS5, the reduced I/O, split bandwidth and having to design for two SKUs hold back the Series X.
I noticed a lot of light flickering in the castle in Fidelity Raytracing mode on PS5. Had to turn it off. Any idea what would cause that and if there is a way to fix it?
Don't have that problem on Series X , been running in RT mode since Feb 6th
Isn't the series X supposed to be the most powerful console?
Same way ps3 is more powerful than 360.
Doesn't matter how powerful it is its all about catering to devs.
No PC review??
I’m glad they give the “uncapped fr” for each mode, and wish other games did as well. It future proofs the game. Surprised you seem to be against it
Yea uncapped frame rate is a pretty simple idea. Dont see how options for how the machine gets used is bad. The real issue is how the game isn't running great on xbox consoles. On PS5 there seemed to be a memory leak making the game run worse.
He did say it was useful for future consoles. But really it's only useful for the performance modes, which are very soft visually. With balanced mode, most VRR 120hz TV's bottom out at 48hz, so the fps cap still needs to be used.
@@Cyberdyne12 it’d be useful for the balanced mode as well, and would push things I assume to a max of 120. Only one I’m not sure is the uncapped quality modes, If they’d cap to 60, or could go past that
Because it means they need to create and check the technical stability/requirements of those modes. It means the creator's work power is divided. It means too much nonsensical options. Instead of having total of 10 modes, give me two really solid, acceptable modes. Focus on them and squeze every visual fidelity or performance out of them. Without VRR or similar tech, uncapping is never a good thing. Especially console, TV domain. This is not a competetive shooter game. Just lock the frames and focus on visual fidelity.
@@Gkhn32 I don't get it? Why don't you cap the frame rate like you want it to be. These modes are very basic, they mostly lower the resolution or decrease the settings that are just copied and pasted from PC into the console hardware. This is a multi-platform game thats how they "optimize" these ports. But by looking the PC version it runs like doodoo anyway.
Those higher clock speeds in the PS5 are really paying off over more teraflops.
Very likely, higher clock is far easier to develop and optimise than wide architecture.
@@bltzcstrnx what?
@@funbrute31 to achieve higher performance you can either increase the clock or widen your architecture (more cores). With higher clock, all software will benefit from it. While widening the architecture require software developers to engineer their software to utilise the additional core/components.
Both have limits though; higher clock will result in high power consumption and temperature hence exotic liquid metal solution on PS5. On the other hand, wide architecture requires more work from developer for it to achieve its potential. Also, there are many workloads that doesn't benefits wide architecture.
@@bltzcstrnx the "wide architecture" isnt Even a real term. You are refereing to SMT on/off basically. Now ,considering both consoles are running at the same settings, it's clear the advantage is in software here. PS5 low level API has been showing it's capabilities since day 1
@@funbrute31 it's not SMT, I'm talking about GPU. Xbox opt for 52 CUs with lower clock for thermal reason. While PS5 chooses for 36 CUs and higher clock for ease of development (some also saying because of PS4 Pro compatibility, since that also have 36 CUs). Higher clock is easier to develop since everything will run faster. While developing for architecture with more processing units (cores, CUs, etc) require more care. You need to optimally divide the workload for it to utilise all of the available CUs.
I normally on PS5 don't play game on fidelity because I prefer 60fps and 30fps normally makes me feel a bit dizzy when turning the camera. This is the first game that doesn't do that. The environments are amazing looking. I love the game.
ye, modern games with a lot of detail is a bad fit for 30 fps cuz its turning to a big blurfest
Ngl there was a lot of cut corners in this review no recommendation for modes per platform and it seems like the ps5 and xss were shoehorned in.
Happy to see an analysis from Richard. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.