I got my GR this year, it wasn't my go to car, but after driving it i feel in love. I am so happy Toyota is improving it and allowing more people to join the GR corolla family
I bought my 24 GRC on Monday night knowing about the 25. I think the bumper is ugly so I had no interest in it. I also paid MSRP with nothing even trying to addon to the car trying to raise the price. There are also 2 other dealers with circuits coming in and are also at MSRP. I think the markups are done atleast in my area
Drive the gen 1 w/pride knowing it's manual only. While I like the new front grill & bump in torque, it's not enough to make me want to switch. Thats what the aftermarket is for.
toyota's answer to the diff cooling issue is a software one. They changed track mode to be continually variable between the different splits allowing them to stress the diff less.
@@CarQuicks the one thing I would be worried about is that type of calculations needs some real computing power. so I'm not sure if they made updates to the CPU too with that.
Having an automatic option is a great upgrade I will admit and puts the car at least on the radar for me since I lost use of my left knee. That said this car needs AWD to really make it stand out among the other hot hatches that are still FWD.
Im binge watching your videos bro, love em. I just picked up my GR last week I couldnt be any happier.. I actually like the 23-24 front end more than the 25, It looks a little over done. Keep the vids up though man 🤙🏽
Honestly the biggest let down for me is dropping Blaze Blue. That's the best color! Everything else is cool, but could be handled in the aftermarket. GR is the best thing to happen to Toyota since the Yamaha partnership with engines.
I definitely agree that this car is and will go down in history as one of Toyota's best. I love blue too, but I'm partial to darker hues, and the one critique I still have is the absence of more colors.
I love my 2024 CE in Blue Flame (I think I remember commenting on your video for your thoughts on that release, saying how I loved that color haha) so there is no way I'd turn it in for such a small upgrade. Not with how much I love the color, the mods I've done already, and how hard it was for me to get on in Blue Flame.
@@CarQuicks there are few reveiwers who showed the angle of it and it looks more aggressive. Picture dont tell what you see up close. I would check it out in person
I still have only seen one other Corolla GR in person besides mine. I want the GR Corolla to be a thing in 10 years because I don't want to be fighting to find parts should something go wrong.
To his point... My gf isnt a car person. But, when i was looking at the corolla gr, she got real excited and started talking about how she might get one. She was pretty disappointed when i told her it was stick only, and pretty quickly lost interest. I told her about the changes for 2025, and now shes back on board. Eccept now she's also looking at a chevy colorado. If toyota had an AT back when she first got excited, it would have been no question. But now they might lose the sale to chevy, since she is considering the functionality of a small truck. (I hope she gets the corolla, or at least gets the chevy used to save money)
A GRC or a Chevy Colorado is a wild cross-shop. Two vastly different category of car. But tell her this... trucks are dime a dozen, we are here for a short time, not a long time... have some fun!
@@CarQuicks I wanted the GRC from the beginning but in my area I wouldn’t want 2 manual cars. So I settled for a xse which I love but now that the GRC comes in an automatic, I’m definitely getting one and I can’t wait for them to become available
Great video, you gained a subscriber, gotta check your videos to see if you’ve made an adjustments to it. I’m planning on getting one and just doing an HKS exhaust and intake
I’m in a socal grc group and they had a few pop ups recently and they had a 2025 grc idk if they’d allow you to get into the car but they did have it out for display at one of the pop ups
Yeah I saw that. It was at the little shop in DTLA. I wish Toyota would host SOMETHING in the state of Texas where their HEADQUARTERS are located. LOL!
The trans cooler is exclusively for the auto. Also, there is dual climate controls now. And the torque is from about 1psi more boost at lower rpm. Thanks
@@CarQuicks you don’t have the ducting, that would involve replacing the whole dash. There is also the HUD and suspension changes. Thinking about just going ahead and ordering a 25 before I spend too much more on my 24
I’d be most excited about the suspension mods the did in the dampers and the rear trailing arms. But frankly, not trading mine in… it’d be too much work to take off all the mods I’ve done and reinstall them lol… But seems like this move with the auto makes the car feel less special. Like Hyundai did with the Elantra N. Now with an automatic option, they will be going after golf R buyers more than CTR buyers.
The Golf R buyers is a good way to look at this, though I think Toyota would need further interior changes to entice those buyers who have a borderline luxury hatchback. For me I'm in the same boat, I'm not taking all these mods off. LOL!
Id be pretty torn an which way i want to go if i was to trade in my corolla xse hatchback for a gr. Im curious to see if the 25 getting released will actually make dealers drop the sky high prices they maintain on their 23/24 inventory (i doubt it but one can hope). As it would be my daily driver I'm inclined to go the 25 route just cause (up here in canada) they gave the base model heated seats and steering wheel standard whereas 23 and 24 there was no cold weather package to get those on the core so while i couldnt be bothered with the cosmetics, I felt forced to go up to the circuit edition just so i could have those amenities that i currently enjoy in my xse. Another point id be torn between is assuming going 25, I'd want to go manual cause that's the whole point but the automatic also makes it alot easier as a daily driver to get a command start installed that doesnt require an annoying "arming sequence" so that your manual car knows its not in gear when you go to remote start it up
I can see why your torn, good points for both ideas. For one I would say go 2025, as its the latest model, unless you prefer the look of the 2023-2024 models. As for automatic or manual... If an auto was available, and me being a lover of all things manual... I also would have a hard time deciding. The automatic from the reviews and videos I have seen is very good.
I'd imagine if they did they would charge something like $2500-$5000 and then we would have to ask if its worth it compared to the aftermarket. But packages like the old days of the Neon SRT4 would be cool.
Great video man! I have such a dilemma right now. The dealership can get me a base level 2024 GR in november. (In Canada, we get the limited slip differential on ALL trim levels too.) BUT.... I also have the option for reserving a 2025 model which might be a years wait. I don't know if I should go for the '24 or wait for the '25. Are all the little updates worth it... hmmm
If you are this close to the latest model year, I would always go for the newest one, unless they are cutting a deal you can't refuse on the 24' model year.
I have a 2024 premium, and I can't wait to trade it in for the automatic. I am not hating on the manual. I have owned many, but this car's manual just doesn't drive like a typical manual it feels oddly different than any car I have ever owned with it. Plus, the weak clutch and transmission is a large weak spot for this car (besides the valves) and the amount of $ and effort needed to make the (clutch/transmission) driveline strong enough to hold at the 350/400 hp range isn't worth the effort to me not to mention the lack of very few good transmission option's for parts upgrade to hold more power. The Auto should be fine at that level, plus be predictable on launches over and over and over. I am really looking at the premium + but I can't stand the roof! I am much more into a traditional carbon weave pattern then the cheap looking flat forged carbon. And it appears like the heads-up display is only on the Plus 😬 wonder If the interior extra gloss black pieces are in the Plus as well 🤔
I do want to test out the Automatic GRC, even if a majority hate the idea, but I see where this makes sense for a lot of people. And Mr. Morizo himself was behind the development. The gloss black is still there so prepare for that life! LOL!
Idk feel like the new front is too over the top. Prefer the subtle smooth old front end its a sleeper. If i was younger like straight out of high school i feel i would of preferred the new one🤷♂️ thats just me though
biggest issue with the auto is that's all most dealers will stock. will be very hard to find a GRC with 3 pedals going forward. same thing happened to veloster N & elantra N (although those DCT's are extremely good).
Just bought a Red 2024 Premium for 39,500 so no brainer for me. 2025 Premium in transit coming in is 47,500. November so I new I could stand my ground with 3k discount as they had 3 on the lot that must go in 2 months. I do not like the new 2025 front bumper (no fog lights!, come on man) or intakes on the hood. Looks wise I think it looks over done now. The added 20 torque is meh (tune the 2024 and add a down pipe you will get 350) and they did nothing about diff overheat. If you want one of these I seriously suggest looking for a 2024 at a discount now and not a 2025 at full cost (or even markup)!
The absolute best deals are the ones in 23-24 where you don't care for the upgrades or bumper change. The core of the car is the same. And you'll save a ton.
Unfortunately dealerships are like the last place to know of models incoming. Especially for Toyota you will need to wait until October/November before you hear anything.
Good comment!! 2025 doesn’t look like it has stock fog lights anymore, automatic is good for those who can’t drive manual, and yes that more Toyota sells this car, more aftermarket things will become available to pick from. I got mine 2024 Circuit Edition recently in June and I am a happy GRC owner like others.
As you all know Toyota has their new 400hp Turbo 4 coming out later on for the MR2 and Celica. My fingers are crossed that this engine will eventually find its way into the GR Corolla and possibly the GR86 but having said that…the crazies already have Toyota’s 3cyl up to 1000hp! I know reliability will take a dent or two but still incredible…
They don’t catch out of fire from nowhere. You need more context to those sensational articles. But for some perspective, if you are truly interested in the GR Corolla… between 5-6000 have been sold in the US. The same exact motor is in the GR Yaris, built in the same factory. There are somewhere around, and I’m guessing, 15,000+ out in the world. We saw 2 articles about 2 GRCs where there has been documented questionable history on one of the cars. 1 of which was rebuilt. Don’t worry about any of that. The car is solid because if there was fires happening, you would have heard about this since the GR Yaris.
Bought a 2024 GTI earlier this year, the 2025 GR Corolla might make me regret that! Might look into an automatic GR in the next couple years, only thing I don’t like about the Toyota is that interior… no center console?
Yeah, we definitely had our money spent on the drivetrain and not the interior, but its still quality, it may not have alacantara/suede, leather, but its built solidly. The armrest thing I had to use the aftermarket to fix.
@@CarQuicks Wonder if it's something they'd address in the future... It's a small thing I know but just seems like an oversight. Glad you are enjoying your ride and looking forward to more content from you!
The automatic transmission cost an additional $2K and it's worth every penny. I drove a manual for 10 years and will never do that again. Especially when you drive in stop and go traffic every day.
I wouldn't be. Those are outliers to the overall idea. Considering how often cars in general can catch on fire, we would be riding horses if that worried us. Lol. The 85MPH thing I have no concern on, for example where we live the toll road is 85MPH, so someone would legit have a case of legally driving that speed. But overall I would not concern myself with that being something that will happen.
As a point of note, in 2023/2024 Toyota sold roughly 5700 GR corollas on record as of right now. There have been 2 confirmed cases of a Gr Corolla "catching fire" without an accident being involved - one where the owner admitted to going 130mph before it happened, and BOTH of which had just been serviced (a few different things could have caused that one from everything I have read). One running theory is that oil/gasoline got into the turbocharger which explains why both cars were on the highway prior to this occurring, they weren't casually driving around town from what I am aware of. That is a total 0.03% chance. Less than a percent of a percent, to the tune of 3 out of 10,000. Food for thought.
Got a Premium Plus coming with no ADM. Now that the production has no limit, that might be helping. I only added the extra frame brace to the order. My understanding is the clutch has changed too. It automatically adjust itself to full clamping force as the clutch wears.
I've never had an issue with the clutch, so if they have tweaked some things most likely its for the best. Overall the increased production is a better thing for consumers because I had to fight to avoid ADM.
No it’s the same engine and car. A few changes it’s not worth it.. My 2023 make 303whp and 310tq with only a SXTH intercooler and full customer hot & cold side charge pipes. If you want buy a better radiator and you can buy break cooling kit. Plus no fog lights. If you want a automatic then go for it. The suspension mods seems exciting. They should have addressed the differential cooling and slightly better valve springs. Run your car on a mustang dyno with your mods your car makes more than a 2025 stock.
Yup, you are absolutely right. This is more an exercise in "out loud thinking" then me actually wanting to trade in. For sure, the lack of fog lights is a miss from Toyota, and having a friend with the same SXTH intercooler and charge pipes, the way this car wakes up with just that mod is amazing.
I'm keeping my 23 fully loaded core. I don't think it's worth it to trade. The main selling point is the frontend refresh and the automatic transmission variant and that doesn't appeal to me at all.
I do remember a few graphs on the wind turbulence, though I do prefer the CE Wing over the Epilson, just by my own tastes. The wing I would love has still not been made.
My previous car was a S2000 so I would probably be in the same boat if I kept that cat too. Thats another point too to the new DAT transmission, there are many people who have all the manual cars they need and do like the experience of the car, but want an easier drive.
for the average owner, its such a waste to trade it in. For the enthusiast who will need the cooling, and suspension changes matter, yes it would be good to change.
If you’ve got the Duckets…keep your old and order the new one. I say this because I love manuals BUT an automatic GR Corolla will be a quicker go cart…especially if you throw the aftermarket at it!😁👍
I agree! A lot of people still don’t know how to drive manuals so the autos should be a hit. On the Car Wow channel they tested it already and…it looks fun without the clutch issues that I just heard about. I loved my FK8 manual but I sure wished that Honda or especially Acura would’ve developed an auto FWD and an AWD model…even if it was electric motor rear drive…like the ERAY but reversed. Definitely think that there’d be a market for it…
The current GR Corolla doesn't catch on fire. I know that's short in answer, but let me give some context, because this comes up a lot, as of recent... unfortunately. There are about 6,000 GR Corollas that have been sold in the US. Two of them caught on fire, and with a lot of misinformation and missing evidence. The jury is still out on exactly how those fires started. One of those cars was rebuilt from an accident for example. Myself and a few friends have been driving these cars well past 30,000 miles, daily, modified as well, track days, back roads... this car is SOLID. An amazing performer and not something you should worry about, or fear over a couple sensationalized stories. For reference, the metric on car fires for say a Ford F150 is 10 times higher than a GR Corolla. Go enjoy the car and have fun!
After seeing Toyota deny warranty claims for people going 114 mph at some point during the car's ownership I don't know why anyone would KEEP their GR Corolla, to be honest.
A lot of that is misinformation and blow well out of proportion. The owner of one of those fires bought another GR Corolla. But I have a whole video answering that question: - th-cam.com/video/zmtFcq4F_s0/w-d-xo.html
@@CarQuicks Toyota claiming that they won't warranty a sportscar that the ECU logged as having been driven up to 114mph at one point in time isn't misinformation though. They are selling sportscars but not warranting them for being used as such. I had issues with Toyota not warranting my 2021 BMW Supra (bought new) that was burning a quart of oil every 700-1,000 miles. I wound up dumping the car- they don't stand behind their sportscars.
Front end has grown on me and painting the bottom portion really solves the issue with its looks. The auto to me is a bonus for continuing the cars development. Hopefully it continues to mature the aftermarket.
@@CarQuicks yeah, if they would paint the bottom and the black plastic parts on the ends that surround the new airflow gaps to the color of the car, it would look a lot better.
It wont catch on fire, trust me the other 25,000 GR Yaris owners with the exact same engine would have reported this A LONG time ago. Check out my response to that whole debacle: th-cam.com/video/zmtFcq4F_s0/w-d-xo.html
Nope, never, not a chance. I still much prefer my loaded 23 Core. I could care less about the auto being slightly quicker. Toyota already stated that the auto will account for 15-20% of the total volume.
@@CarQuicks Me too. I can see certain people wanting the auto but for those that don't know how to drive a manual, I would say learn how! It's so worth it. None of us were born knowing how to drive a manual, we had to learn.
Nope! Keeping my Blue Flame Circuit! "Premium Plus" dumb HAHA. Also, I don't like the front end of the 25. Maybe if I was old with bad knees I would get the auto.
Now that I think about it. Why add the auto transmission with that ugly but functional front grill if auto trans owners are not the enthusiast target demographic? As someone who just loves the look of the car and will probably almost never rally this car. The auto transmission is why I waited to buy. It would have been my daily. But as a daily auto transmission owner I don't need that functional ugly bumper. Im just ranting cuz I no longer desire this car with the new bumper and its a big bummer.
You do have a angle there about the bumper design to what most auto owners will do, but I also noticed Toyota released a new GR Cup series GR Corolla that is running the DAT auto, so this is a push to be in motorsports with the auto. At least from what I can see.
When you take an economy car and manipulate it into a rally race street car buy the first few years is a bad idea!! They using those buyers to fund the rest of the manipulation that they didn’t complete!! So annoying!! Should have just gave us in the US the Yaris!!
To give some context, the GR Corolla and GR Yaris were made at the same time. The GR Yaris was released first the GR Corolla was delayed due to COVID. Both cars are built on the same assembly line, with the same engine, drivetrain, so they are the same car in the quality built.
Is Toyota Increasing Production units for the GR Corolla? They planned 6.5k units for each production year.. YET they Only made 5,739 units for Both MY 23 & MY 24 combined... If they aren't increasing the production units to the yearly 6.5k units then the Automatic Transmission isn't doing much other than adding Mark-ups for the Dealerships and reducing sales because not many enthusiasts want the automatic transmission... I my opinion, the Automatic Transmission is the Dumbest idea since the Greedy Dealership will Only order the Automatic Transmission option because the MSRP is higher. Don't complain about Not being able to Buy a Manual Transmission GR Corolla and Sales figures decline and Toyota cancels the GR Corolla.
You definitely have valid points to this... because if the units are not properly pushed up in production, then yes, the battle will be dealers trying to create a rarity among the manual cars. Mainly because the sales will probably be much higher then the manual cars. It will be interesting to see how this plays out this coming year.
LOL. Never I bought this car over a year ago, but I also am aware that every car gets upgraded as the model years carry on. For me, manual is my go to, but I won't knock those who prefer the new DAT.
@@CarQuicks you know Toyota makes new cars every year faster better looking better equipped hopefully hopefully they make it cheaper now that’s the big problem
On the waitlist for a 2025. Kinda nervous about the recent fires and toyota bouncing the warranties over dumb shit like tires and recorded speeds over 85 mph.
This is no longer true. DCTs are significantly faster than manuals and you don't lose any boost when shifting. That being said, I won't be caught dead driving a AT GRC bc manual just more fun and makes cooler noises
I wouldn't say it'd lose that much power, because new autos are incredibly efficient, but what you may gain in efficient shifting you lose in deriver engagement.
I got my GR this year, it wasn't my go to car, but after driving it i feel in love. I am so happy Toyota is improving it and allowing more people to join the GR corolla family
The GRC is one of those cars that you have to experience to "get it".
I'll still keep my 2024 core
Just installed my awe exhaust and sounds amazing
Keep the manuals alive
Seriously SAVE THE MANUALS lol because our time is severely limited.
I like the style of this comparison. Good job! Great content and nice creativity. Thanks
Appreciate that! Thanks!
I like my 2024 Circuit Edition
We are not complaining over here, us 23-24 owners are cooling. Haha!
blue flame gang
Your review was great my friend. I like your style. Very detailed 👍
Thanks for watching! I appreciate it!
Just bought a 2023 with 6k on it and got a great deal. Love the car! I plan on having it for years to come.
Thats another thing, they'll be a good amount of deals to get to on used GRCs.
I could care less about the GR but my hat is off you to video quality. Keep doing your thing bro
Thanks! I genuinely appreciate that!
Im thankful to have my Hatchback SE night shade. Id be blessed to get a GR.
Personally, I'm getting the 2025 GR when it comes out as I'm not a manual guy but I really loved the idea of a reliable king Toyota + sport hatch
See! Thats why I said its a good thing, bring more people into enjoying the car!
I bought my 24 GRC on Monday night knowing about the 25. I think the bumper is ugly so I had no interest in it. I also paid MSRP with nothing even trying to addon to the car trying to raise the price. There are also 2 other dealers with circuits coming in and are also at MSRP. I think the markups are done atleast in my area
This part. People can get caught up in wanting th latest model, but we are really only talking about small changes.
I agree on the bumper, love the old one, new one looks off
Drive the gen 1 w/pride knowing it's manual only. While I like the new front grill & bump in torque, it's not enough to make me want to switch. Thats what the aftermarket is for.
Precisely. Aftermarket can change up anything we need.
They removed the fog lights! That’s a big no for me. I’ll stick with my Gen1
toyota's answer to the diff cooling issue is a software one. They changed track mode to be continually variable between the different splits allowing them to stress the diff less.
Someone is about to copy and paste the software and upload it to Pirate Bay.
I wonder if that becomes available like an update, but if not I'd guess you could tune that in from a tuning software.
@@CarQuicks the one thing I would be worried about is that type of calculations needs some real computing power. so I'm not sure if they made updates to the CPU too with that.
The 2025 GR Corolla is my next car. It is absolutely perfect imo
Because you want the automatic lol
Come join us!
I am getting a 2025 as well! However, it will 100% be manual.
@@Toyota4Lifenow type it again without crying
2025 GR Corolla sounds awesome! I got a Integra Aspec, but I would've seriously considered a GR Corolla.
Integra is another great car, though i'd think you'd probably go Type-S before a GRC, either car is great and I like the new Integras too.
Having an automatic option is a great upgrade I will admit and puts the car at least on the radar for me since I lost use of my left knee. That said this car needs AWD to really make it stand out among the other hot hatches that are still FWD.
It is awd!
It actually is AWD, go test drive one! You'll love it!
I like both , I actually like those fog lights too in the old 1
Its growing on me, I prefer the 23-24 bumper, but its not horrible.
I agree now I can buy it since I have disabled on my left leg I can't do menul automatic is perfect for me
Thats what I like about the option, more people like yourself being able to enjoy the car!
Im binge watching your videos bro, love em. I just picked up my GR last week I couldnt be any happier.. I actually like the 23-24 front end more than the 25, It looks a little over done. Keep the vids up though man 🤙🏽
Awesome! Enjoy the car! And thanks for watching!
Honestly the biggest let down for me is dropping Blaze Blue. That's the best color! Everything else is cool, but could be handled in the aftermarket. GR is the best thing to happen to Toyota since the Yamaha partnership with engines.
I have had the blue circuit for just over a month. Love it and wouldn’t think of trading.
I definitely agree that this car is and will go down in history as one of Toyota's best. I love blue too, but I'm partial to darker hues, and the one critique I still have is the absence of more colors.
I love my 2024 CE in Blue Flame (I think I remember commenting on your video for your thoughts on that release, saying how I loved that color haha) so there is no way I'd turn it in for such a small upgrade. Not with how much I love the color, the mods I've done already, and how hard it was for me to get on in Blue Flame.
Yup exactly, because now your color no loner exists and if Toyota does do another it'll be a Premium Plus probably in orange.
All great points, I agree with you.
Appreciate you watching!
I'm trading mine in for the evolution 3 for sure. Love this car!!!
I'm even more excited to see what the next few years bring to this car.
Yes get the red one, the new 25 looks nice
The front bumper has grown more on me and for people on the fence about the car, they do get some nice improvements to push them further.
@@CarQuicks there are few reveiwers who showed the angle of it and it looks more aggressive. Picture dont tell what you see up close. I would check it out in person
Bring the bigger wing back, and it's perfect
The wing is a must!
Im hoping with the introduction of the automatic, Toyota will up the production of the car so it won't limit the stock for the manuals.
This too. More production and allowing new owners the ability to get the car without a fight for MSRP.
I still have only seen one other Corolla GR in person besides mine. I want the GR Corolla to be a thing in 10 years because I don't want to be fighting to find parts should something go wrong.
Good video with some info I didn't hear about, thank you.
Appreciate you watching!
To his point...
My gf isnt a car person. But, when i was looking at the corolla gr, she got real excited and started talking about how she might get one. She was pretty disappointed when i told her it was stick only, and pretty quickly lost interest.
I told her about the changes for 2025, and now shes back on board. Eccept now she's also looking at a chevy colorado. If toyota had an AT back when she first got excited, it would have been no question. But now they might lose the sale to chevy, since she is considering the functionality of a small truck.
(I hope she gets the corolla, or at least gets the chevy used to save money)
I'll be moving from a CO to the Gr lol
A GRC or a Chevy Colorado is a wild cross-shop. Two vastly different category of car. But tell her this... trucks are dime a dozen, we are here for a short time, not a long time... have some fun!
I been wanting a GRC. I’m looking to trading in my 23 xse hatch
I never owned another Corolla before this, but a few friends have come fro XSE Corollas to GRC's and they absolutely love them.
@@CarQuicks I wanted the GRC from the beginning but in my area I wouldn’t want 2 manual cars. So I settled for a xse which I love but now that the GRC comes in an automatic, I’m definitely getting one and I can’t wait for them to become available
Great video, you gained a subscriber, gotta check your videos to see if you’ve made an adjustments to it. I’m planning on getting one and just doing an HKS exhaust and intake
HKS exhaust is one of the best sounding exhausts on this car!
Really nice incremental improvements by Toyota. I’m super happy they are continuing to produce this car and put money into design improvements.
That's the main thing here, Toyota is continuing to invest back into the GR Family.
I hope this forces Toyota dealerships to drop the price gouging ADM.
Seriously! Its been long enough!
Id say if you like the bumper im sure youlll be able to buy it just like i did with my 2015 sti to a 2018 front bumber
Thats for sure and it will happen. The good thing is the current bumper is cheap, under $200.
@@CarQuicksit’s been confirmed that the 2025 is backwards compatible with the 23/24 meaning older gen owners can buy some of the 2025 stuff
From what you heard, is the DAT the same one in the GR Yaris? Great video btw!
Yes it is!
I’m in a socal grc group and they had a few pop ups recently and they had a 2025 grc idk if they’d allow you to get into the car but they did have it out for display at one of the pop ups
Yeah I saw that. It was at the little shop in DTLA. I wish Toyota would host SOMETHING in the state of Texas where their HEADQUARTERS are located. LOL!
You scared me for a second dude! Im never trading this beauty in 😤
Its all good... I'm right here with you man! Lol!
Yes and yes
Haha! An amazing car all around.
The trans cooler is exclusively for the auto. Also, there is dual climate controls now. And the torque is from about 1psi more boost at lower rpm. Thanks
The dual climate would be a nice touch, I wonder if I can retrofit that? Hmmm.. lol.
@@CarQuicks you don’t have the ducting, that would involve replacing the whole dash. There is also the HUD and suspension changes. Thinking about just going ahead and ordering a 25 before I spend too much more on my 24
The more I see that new bumper the more I kinda want it. 23' Core here.
It isn't terrible, and like a lot of new cars once you see it in person it looks better.
@@CarQuicks not too interested in trading mine in. But im wondering if it would fit a '23
At First glance of the bumper I hated it but after hearing your explanation and seeing the heavy metal color I like it alot more.
A little color at the bottom will make it that much better.
I’d be most excited about the suspension mods the did in the dampers and the rear trailing arms. But frankly, not trading mine in… it’d be too much work to take off all the mods I’ve done and reinstall them lol…
But seems like this move with the auto makes the car feel less special. Like Hyundai did with the Elantra N. Now with an automatic option, they will be going after golf R buyers more than CTR buyers.
The Golf R buyers is a good way to look at this, though I think Toyota would need further interior changes to entice those buyers who have a borderline luxury hatchback. For me I'm in the same boat, I'm not taking all these mods off. LOL!
Toyota, you better invite this man to a press conference and let him drive the '25 GRC!
SERIOUSLY! I need to be there!
Id be pretty torn an which way i want to go if i was to trade in my corolla xse hatchback for a gr. Im curious to see if the 25 getting released will actually make dealers drop the sky high prices they maintain on their 23/24 inventory (i doubt it but one can hope). As it would be my daily driver I'm inclined to go the 25 route just cause (up here in canada) they gave the base model heated seats and steering wheel standard whereas 23 and 24 there was no cold weather package to get those on the core so while i couldnt be bothered with the cosmetics, I felt forced to go up to the circuit edition just so i could have those amenities that i currently enjoy in my xse. Another point id be torn between is assuming going 25, I'd want to go manual cause that's the whole point but the automatic also makes it alot easier as a daily driver to get a command start installed that doesnt require an annoying "arming sequence" so that your manual car knows its not in gear when you go to remote start it up
I can see why your torn, good points for both ideas. For one I would say go 2025, as its the latest model, unless you prefer the look of the 2023-2024 models. As for automatic or manual... If an auto was available, and me being a lover of all things manual... I also would have a hard time deciding. The automatic from the reviews and videos I have seen is very good.
What if toyota sells an upgrade package for last years 2023 and 2024 Gr Corolla. Suspension, Engine Performance, and Brakes cooling.
I'd imagine if they did they would charge something like $2500-$5000 and then we would have to ask if its worth it compared to the aftermarket. But packages like the old days of the Neon SRT4 would be cool.
Great video man! I have such a dilemma right now. The dealership can get me a base level 2024 GR in november. (In Canada, we get the limited slip differential on ALL trim levels too.) BUT.... I also have the option for reserving a 2025 model which might be a years wait. I don't know if I should go for the '24 or wait for the '25. Are all the little updates worth it... hmmm
If you are this close to the latest model year, I would always go for the newest one, unless they are cutting a deal you can't refuse on the 24' model year.
I'm on the list for a '25!
If the facelift had more body color on the front to break up the grill it would look really good to me
The bottom portion being painted will improve the look a lot. You'll see plenty of owners doing that right after they get them.
I have a 2024 premium, and I can't wait to trade it in for the automatic. I am not hating on the manual. I have owned many, but this car's manual just doesn't drive like a typical manual it feels oddly different than any car I have ever owned with it. Plus, the weak clutch and transmission is a large weak spot for this car (besides the valves) and the amount of $ and effort needed to make the (clutch/transmission) driveline strong enough to hold at the 350/400 hp range isn't worth the effort to me not to mention the lack of very few good transmission option's for parts upgrade to hold more power. The Auto should be fine at that level, plus be predictable on launches over and over and over. I am really looking at the premium + but I can't stand the roof! I am much more into a traditional carbon weave pattern then the cheap looking flat forged carbon. And it appears like the heads-up display is only on the Plus 😬 wonder If the interior extra gloss black pieces are in the Plus as well 🤔
I do want to test out the Automatic GRC, even if a majority hate the idea, but I see where this makes sense for a lot of people. And Mr. Morizo himself was behind the development. The gloss black is still there so prepare for that life! LOL!
I'm sticking with my 2024. Might just change the bumper at some point but the differences don't warrant trading it in at all imo
I do foresee a lot of bumper swaps coming.
Im okay with the auto just means more cars for parts in the future and im getting the feeling its just a cheap sequential.
This too, the more the merrier. Also alternative parts become more available and dealerships and auto parts store start carrying more products.
Idk feel like the new front is too over the top. Prefer the subtle smooth old front end its a sleeper. If i was younger like straight out of high school i feel i would of preferred the new one🤷♂️ thats just me though
New front end is definitely more aggressive, but the 2023-24 model years nailed the front so well, I can't see it being beat.
"Sporty vibes". It's already dark ! LOL
THANK YOU! I'm like what further darkness do we have after black!? LOL!
Woodland Rav4 blue or TRD Camry underground grey would look sick on the GRC
Toyota puts some fire colors on everything else BUT the GR Corolla Lol
biggest issue with the auto is that's all most dealers will stock. will be very hard to find a GRC with 3 pedals going forward. same thing happened to veloster N & elantra N (although those DCT's are extremely good).
That is something to remember because auto cars sell more, so manual versions may become more rare.
Just bought a Red 2024 Premium for 39,500 so no brainer for me. 2025 Premium in transit coming in is 47,500. November so I new I could stand my ground with 3k discount as they had 3 on the lot that must go in 2 months. I do not like the new 2025 front bumper (no fog lights!, come on man) or intakes on the hood. Looks wise I think it looks over done now. The added 20 torque is meh (tune the 2024 and add a down pipe you will get 350) and they did nothing about diff overheat. If you want one of these I seriously suggest looking for a 2024 at a discount now and not a 2025 at full cost (or even markup)!
The absolute best deals are the ones in 23-24 where you don't care for the upgrades or bumper change. The core of the car is the same. And you'll save a ton.
Oh wow I test drove a 24 and decided it's late in yr to get 24 but no one at dealer knew if there was 25 coming smh
Unfortunately dealerships are like the last place to know of models incoming. Especially for Toyota you will need to wait until October/November before you hear anything.
Good comment!! 2025 doesn’t look like it has stock fog lights anymore, automatic is good for those who can’t drive manual, and yes that more Toyota sells this car, more aftermarket things will become available to pick from.
I got mine 2024 Circuit Edition recently in June and I am a happy GRC owner like others.
Very true! The missing fog lights I noticed right away, so I am content with my 23'.
From what I heard it has and air cooled transmission cooler and a water cooled one.
I did see there is some cooler only for the automatic and the additional radiator cooler.
As you all know Toyota has their new 400hp Turbo 4 coming out later on for the MR2 and Celica. My fingers are crossed that this engine will eventually find its way into the GR Corolla and possibly the GR86 but having said that…the crazies already have Toyota’s 3cyl up to 1000hp! I know reliability will take a dent or two but still incredible…
I have my eyes peeled to that new Celica or MR2, those will be very exciting!
@@CarQuicksAbsolutely!!! If they’re anything close to the renderings…serious eye candy and hopefully the performance to go along with it!😁👍
The engine and turbo are exactly the same for 25, 24, and 23 models? Just a different tune for the torque increase?
Same engine components, the tune for the boost has been changed to increase the torque.
blue flame gang. we up baby
Appreciating daily!
The auto trans needs that added sub-rad to keep things cool
anyway I'm keeping my 24
sub-radiator AND a trans cooler is on board, which I'd imagine may complicate things more so than help.
@@CarQuicks I'm keeping my 2024 for sure. I like the front look better anyway. It's a simpler and cleaner design for sure.
I’ll wait for them to fix their engine before I get a GR Corolla lol. I saw articles that it just catch on fire out of nowhere
They don’t catch out of fire from nowhere.
You need more context to those sensational articles. But for some perspective, if you are truly interested in the GR Corolla… between 5-6000 have been sold in the US.
The same exact motor is in the GR Yaris, built in the same factory. There are somewhere around, and I’m guessing, 15,000+ out in the world.
We saw 2 articles about 2 GRCs where there has been documented questionable history on one of the cars. 1 of which was rebuilt.
Don’t worry about any of that. The car is solid because if there was fires happening, you would have heard about this since the GR Yaris.
Bought a 2024 GTI earlier this year, the 2025 GR Corolla might make me regret that! Might look into an automatic GR in the next couple years, only thing I don’t like about the Toyota is that interior… no center console?
Yeah, we definitely had our money spent on the drivetrain and not the interior, but its still quality, it may not have alacantara/suede, leather, but its built solidly. The armrest thing I had to use the aftermarket to fix.
@@CarQuicks Wonder if it's something they'd address in the future... It's a small thing I know but just seems like an oversight. Glad you are enjoying your ride and looking forward to more content from you!
The automatic transmission cost an additional $2K and it's worth every penny. I drove a manual for 10 years and will never do that again. Especially when you drive in stop and go traffic every day.
This is why I agree that the DAT is a positive to the community. Get more people enjoying this car!
I am just worried about the recent fires and mention that toyota won't cover warranty if you " speed" or go 85...
I wouldn't be. Those are outliers to the overall idea. Considering how often cars in general can catch on fire, we would be riding horses if that worried us. Lol. The 85MPH thing I have no concern on, for example where we live the toll road is 85MPH, so someone would legit have a case of legally driving that speed. But overall I would not concern myself with that being something that will happen.
As a point of note, in 2023/2024 Toyota sold roughly 5700 GR corollas on record as of right now.
There have been 2 confirmed cases of a Gr Corolla "catching fire" without an accident being involved - one where the owner admitted to going 130mph before it happened, and BOTH of which had just been serviced (a few different things could have caused that one from everything I have read). One running theory is that oil/gasoline got into the turbocharger which explains why both cars were on the highway prior to this occurring, they weren't casually driving around town from what I am aware of.
That is a total 0.03% chance. Less than a percent of a percent, to the tune of 3 out of 10,000. Food for thought.
Got a Premium Plus coming with no ADM. Now that the production has no limit, that might be helping. I only added the extra frame brace to the order.
My understanding is the clutch has changed too. It automatically adjust itself to full clamping force as the clutch wears.
I've never had an issue with the clutch, so if they have tweaked some things most likely its for the best. Overall the increased production is a better thing for consumers because I had to fight to avoid ADM.
@@CarQuicks Thanks for the reply. I'm excitedly waiting for the new car.
No it’s the same engine and car. A few changes it’s not worth it.. My 2023 make 303whp and 310tq with only a SXTH intercooler and full customer hot & cold side charge pipes. If you want buy a better radiator and you can buy break cooling kit. Plus no fog lights. If you want a automatic then go for it. The suspension mods seems exciting. They should have addressed the differential cooling and slightly better valve springs. Run your car on a mustang dyno with your mods your car makes more than a 2025 stock.
Yup, you are absolutely right. This is more an exercise in "out loud thinking" then me actually wanting to trade in. For sure, the lack of fog lights is a miss from Toyota, and having a friend with the same SXTH intercooler and charge pipes, the way this car wakes up with just that mod is amazing.
I'm keeping my 23 fully loaded core. I don't think it's worth it to trade. The main selling point is the frontend refresh and the automatic transmission variant and that doesn't appeal to me at all.
Agree. Its nice for those who are still not owners, especially looking at the the DAT transmission fro people.
What’s the price of the premium plus?.. the 2025 front grill is ugly
They didn't announce pricing but I think it all stays relatively the same, so a Premium Plus will be around $42K.
Also the wing was hot doodoo. Epislon performance has data showing the wing producing a ton of lift
I do remember a few graphs on the wind turbulence, though I do prefer the CE Wing over the Epilson, just by my own tastes. The wing I would love has still not been made.
I have an s2000 and a Celica gts i dont need another Manual car . I really want a n Auto Gr Corolla
My previous car was a S2000 so I would probably be in the same boat if I kept that cat too. Thats another point too to the new DAT transmission, there are many people who have all the manual cars they need and do like the experience of the car, but want an easier drive.
for the average owner, its such a waste to trade it in. For the enthusiast who will need the cooling, and suspension changes matter, yes it would be good to change.
Suspension I would argue the aftermarket can help with. The Cooling if you want the auto would be the big deciding factor.
What are the thoughts on this being a ticking time bomb 💣 catching fire and warranty’s being voided for going over 85mph
Oh.. my thoughts are right here: th-cam.com/video/zmtFcq4F_s0/w-d-xo.html
If you’ve got the Duckets…keep your old and order the new one. I say this because I love manuals BUT an automatic GR Corolla will be a quicker go cart…especially if you throw the aftermarket at it!😁👍
Im not mad at the auto, I think it will have a really good reception.
I agree! A lot of people still don’t know how to drive manuals so the autos should be a hit. On the Car Wow channel they tested it already and…it looks fun without the clutch issues that I just heard about. I loved my FK8 manual but I sure wished that Honda or especially Acura would’ve developed an auto FWD and an AWD model…even if it was electric motor rear drive…like the ERAY but reversed. Definitely think that there’d be a market for it…
i still welcome the auto, don't get me wrong... it'll keep sales up to keep the GRC to stick around.
The more people with the car the better is ho I look at it.
dub of a video, thanks
Thank you!
Will the new GR catch fire as well as the old one?
The current GR Corolla doesn't catch on fire.
I know that's short in answer, but let me give some context, because this comes up a lot, as of recent... unfortunately.
There are about 6,000 GR Corollas that have been sold in the US.
Two of them caught on fire, and with a lot of misinformation and missing evidence. The jury is still out on exactly how those fires started. One of those cars was rebuilt from an accident for example.
Myself and a few friends have been driving these cars well past 30,000 miles, daily, modified as well, track days, back roads... this car is SOLID. An amazing performer and not something you should worry about, or fear over a couple sensationalized stories.
For reference, the metric on car fires for say a Ford F150 is 10 times higher than a GR Corolla. Go enjoy the car and have fun!
@@CarQuicks It was just a joke.
After seeing Toyota deny warranty claims for people going 114 mph at some point during the car's ownership I don't know why anyone would KEEP their GR Corolla, to be honest.
A lot of that is misinformation and blow well out of proportion. The owner of one of those fires bought another GR Corolla. But I have a whole video answering that question:
- th-cam.com/video/zmtFcq4F_s0/w-d-xo.html
@@CarQuicks Toyota claiming that they won't warranty a sportscar that the ECU logged as having been driven up to 114mph at one point in time isn't misinformation though. They are selling sportscars but not warranting them for being used as such.
I had issues with Toyota not warranting my 2021 BMW Supra (bought new) that was burning a quart of oil every 700-1,000 miles. I wound up dumping the car- they don't stand behind their sportscars.
Hell no for trading for 2025… I’ll keep my red 2024 premium. Front end looks better.
I agree the 23-24 front end will go down as the best.
The auto trans is for left foot braking. You can balance the car a lot smoother when you are able to overlap the brake and gas in corners.
I'm sure for the true racers that'll be a deciding factor on if they concern themselves with shifting or driving fast.
Wsp Cam 🔩
Can you make a video on your thoughts about the Gr Corolla fires.
I want a Heavy Metal Gr corolla but the fires are very concerning.
I answered that right here: th-cam.com/video/zmtFcq4F_s0/w-d-xo.html
I really do not like the front end, I don’t like that it’s getting an automatic but I know it will extend the life of the car so.
Front end has grown on me and painting the bottom portion really solves the issue with its looks. The auto to me is a bonus for continuing the cars development. Hopefully it continues to mature the aftermarket.
@@CarQuicks yeah, if they would paint the bottom and the black plastic parts on the ends that surround the new airflow gaps to the color of the car, it would look a lot better.
YES! Sell it before it catches fire!
It wont catch on fire, trust me the other 25,000 GR Yaris owners with the exact same engine would have reported this A LONG time ago. Check out my response to that whole debacle: th-cam.com/video/zmtFcq4F_s0/w-d-xo.html
Anyone who upgrades a whole ass car cuz of a front grille and 30 torque is WILD
Someone WILL do it. Lol!
Nope, never, not a chance. I still much prefer my loaded 23 Core. I could care less about the auto being slightly quicker. Toyota already stated that the auto will account for 15-20% of the total volume.
I see people who can not drive manual, are unable to or have really bad commutes going this route, but I am happy where I am.
@@CarQuicks Me too. I can see certain people wanting the auto but for those that don't know how to drive a manual, I would say learn how! It's so worth it. None of us were born knowing how to drive a manual, we had to learn.
They might as well make the hood a grille too. Toyotas obsession with larger ass grilles
LOL! Grilles on grilles.
man I love that new interior on the Yaris, I hope they bring something like that to the corolla
That was my one thing that would of had me either attempting an interior swap or trade in, I love that new dash design.
@@CarQuicks yeah I’ve been wondering if it’s possible to bring a LHD GR Yaris from Mexico into the US/Canada
What I don't get, is why people are so surprised that a Corolla is getting an automatic transmission.
Mainly because Toyota spoke so much about the purity of th car remaining manual when it first was released. But this idea was inevitable.
Nope! Keeping my Blue Flame Circuit! "Premium Plus" dumb HAHA. Also, I don't like the front end of the 25. Maybe if I was old with bad knees I would get the auto.
Can't go wrong withe the Blue Flame CE. Considering the trim is now just called Premium Plus with no wing.
BRO AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT HATES THE FRONT GRILL ON THE 2025
Now that I think about it. Why add the auto transmission with that ugly but functional front grill if auto trans owners are not the enthusiast target demographic? As someone who just loves the look of the car and will probably almost never rally this car. The auto transmission is why I waited to buy. It would have been my daily. But as a daily auto transmission owner I don't need that functional ugly bumper. Im just ranting cuz I no longer desire this car with the new bumper and its a big bummer.
You do have a angle there about the bumper design to what most auto owners will do, but I also noticed Toyota released a new GR Cup series GR Corolla that is running the DAT auto, so this is a push to be in motorsports with the auto. At least from what I can see.
well, i trade my GR corolla for a type r 2024 and was the best decision in my life
Type R. My EVO X and Supra eats that front wheel drive all day. 🤣
@@kobedabest and my tesla smokes both your puny cars.
LOVE the Type-R too, it may be something I try out later, but for now I'm already in love with the GRC.
When you take an economy car and manipulate it into a rally race street car buy the first few years is a bad idea!! They using those buyers to fund the rest of the manipulation that they didn’t complete!! So annoying!! Should have just gave us in the US the Yaris!!
To give some context, the GR Corolla and GR Yaris were made at the same time. The GR Yaris was released first the GR Corolla was delayed due to COVID.
Both cars are built on the same assembly line, with the same engine, drivetrain, so they are the same car in the quality built.
Is Toyota Increasing Production units for the GR Corolla? They planned 6.5k units for each production year.. YET they Only made 5,739 units for Both MY 23 & MY 24 combined...
If they aren't increasing the production units to the yearly 6.5k units then the Automatic Transmission isn't doing much other than adding Mark-ups for the Dealerships and reducing sales because not many enthusiasts want the automatic transmission...
I my opinion, the Automatic Transmission is the Dumbest idea since the Greedy Dealership will Only order the Automatic Transmission option because the MSRP is higher. Don't complain about Not being able to Buy a Manual Transmission GR Corolla and Sales figures decline and Toyota cancels the GR Corolla.
You definitely have valid points to this... because if the units are not properly pushed up in production, then yes, the battle will be dealers trying to create a rarity among the manual cars. Mainly because the sales will probably be much higher then the manual cars.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out this coming year.
You should have waited for 2025 and automatic what
LOL. Never I bought this car over a year ago, but I also am aware that every car gets upgraded as the model years carry on. For me, manual is my go to, but I won't knock those who prefer the new DAT.
@@CarQuicks you know Toyota makes new cars every year faster better looking better equipped hopefully hopefully they make it cheaper now that’s the big problem
@@CarQuicks for me to pay 50 k or 40 k for a Toyota Corolla not right hopefully they can bring it down to 20 k or 30 k
@@CarQuicks but it’s in the gr section so yeah it’s past 30k
I'm a little disappointed with the look of the 25's. That front bumper is ugly and they took away the fog lights. 👎
23-24 MY is definitely the best looking IMO.
Why sell when you can just buy the new parts
Exactly. Good point. Most of this will be available from the parts counter.
No, because they're going to keep making small upgrades.
Yep, every year can be small upgrades. If they do a big power bump thats when I'd make the jump.
On the waitlist for a 2025. Kinda nervous about the recent fires and toyota bouncing the warranties over dumb shit like tires and recorded speeds over 85 mph.
Don't stress about those fore stories, check out my response to that whole debacle: th-cam.com/video/zmtFcq4F_s0/w-d-xo.html
AT will devalue the car ingeneral. Also, AT will rob between 30-40% power - facts.
U stuck in the 90’s my dude. New AT are actually faster than manual. I still prefer manual on hot hatches and small turbo engine cars. But jst saying.
This is no longer true. DCTs are significantly faster than manuals and you don't lose any boost when shifting. That being said, I won't be caught dead driving a AT GRC bc manual just more fun and makes cooler noises
I wouldn't say it'd lose that much power, because new autos are incredibly efficient, but what you may gain in efficient shifting you lose in deriver engagement.
@@psyphix9056 The new GRC auto is not a dual clutch.
HELL NO.
LOL!
Swap
I got a few friends who are thinking about it, I'd consider a more special model, which I think may be a GRMN edition.