I would like to thank Woolie a thousand times for recommending Dokapon kingdom simply for causing John to go through a Biblically accurate Griffith arc
@@apeaapeI don't want to alarm you or assume intent, but you might have just had an unironic "bro visited his friend" moment, complete with the response face.
I didn't realise that at all and just assumed the two yelling at each other was an appropriate opening tone for a podcast that has the words "Silent Hill: Ascension" in its title.
Robert Jordan at first didn’t want someone continuing his work once he died, but his opinion on that changed and he basically told his wife-who was his editor of the series too-that if she saw someone who she thought could continue his work in an appropriate way, she could basically choose them to finish the series. Brandon Sanderson was chosen when she read a eulogy he wrote about Robert Jordan’s passing. She then read the first mistborn book and liked it. And he was also a big fan of the books. She let him look at Robert Jordan’s notes, and he did his best to keep in line with Robert Jordan’s vision, and Harriet was still one of the editors for the Sanderson wheel of time books. I believe there was a lot of care that went into the last couple wheel of time books. And from what I understand the end of the series is well liked (personally haven’t read them). I hope Miura’s vision of berserk is handled with the same care. It deserves it.
I've read the whole of Jordan's Wheel of Time and then re-read it before reading the Sanderson finishing books back to back. I think he did a good job. They feel fitting, it's not like there's a clear and jarring line of style change. Yeah, there are differences, but those books also feature some of the most monumental events in the history of that world, they would be different. There is somewhat of a feel of tidying up the plotlines in a few places, but it's literally about preparing and finishing ordeals before the Final Battle For The World.
“I want you to remember, John… in all the years to come… in your most private moments… I want you to remember… my face… at the top of the Weekly Results… I want you to remember… the NPC who beat you…”
This podcast is like two teddy bears biffing each other in the face with their soft padded fuzzywuzz paws and yelling that they're meaner than the other, but nobody's buying it, but everyone's going along with it because it's just so adorable.
Hey, I just wanna say how well you're doing at yelling in a non-threatening way. I have PTSD and often men yelling can seriously scare me pretty badly, even if they're not yelling at me. However, I don't think you two have ever scared me with the yelling. So I want to tell you: good job! Most people don't have consideration for people as sensitive as me, so thank you for doing a good job.
Man, John accidentally implying he's a power bottom without even realizing it, then hiding his face in shame while Woolie laughs raucously has to be a top 5 versus wolves moment XD
One little thing about how well written and predictive Galactic Heroes is. After the first battle between Yang and Reinhardt and the President is hosting that announcement, in the OVA Yang stays in his hotel room calling it a waste of time. In both the original Yang goes, and stays seated during the anthem and refuses to applaud and is called out. In the New Thesis this episode aired when those NFL players were doing the exact same.
I think about the line that opens New Thesis from time to time. It was around the lines of "Any resemblance to people or events is both coincidental and inevitable." The one thing that series gets above all else is that people, ultimately, haven't changed all that much.
Holy shit the chaos this episode starts with really illustrates where this podcast has gone. I feel like John and woolie need a marriage counsellor. I really dont want my internet dads (that are the same age as me) to get a divorce.
as somebody who as gotten the grand slam achievement in DD2. OH BOY. one of the best euphoric moments in gaming was hitting the final boss after a full run of the game with no deaths and a single team for all the different boss gimmicks. first attempt but DAMN the amount of time and effort at stake there was immense.
NOTE: for those that know how DD2 works. my first attempt at grand slam after my first clear of the game that took months, ended the final chapter on my LAST UNLOCK of new and thus Starting gear available. If I failed there. every attempt after would have been substantially harder. this was the last chance to hit the GRAND SLAM!
Man, I wasn't expecting John and Woolie to have continued that argument about what constitutes experiencing a recommendation from the end of last month's episode until the start of this one. :P
There's some simple tests that could be applied that I imagine Woolie would have failed all of. Can you name three of the central characters? Can you give an overarching summary of the plot for say, the first half of the media? Did you consume said media through the lens of another, i.e. watching someone stream a game or review a game, no matter how thorough, is a whole different experience to playing it or in the case of Ascension, watching it. I personally think Woolie has no leg to stand on to begin with since ONE EPISODE is nowhere near enough to say that you've watched a show before. Even funnier that it came right after John admitting he had seen the first few episodes of LGH but that he didn't think that was anywhere near enough to combo break.
I've been so hyped to see what John thinks about LotGH. Yall have no idea 1:38:48 I jumped out of my chair and then promptly sat back down still psyched, but emotionally rollarcoastered....
Oh, geez. I've listened to Let's Fight A Boss before, and I forgot that John had a home podcast just like Woolie. Most of my experience with podcast John is on JeffJeff's Bizarre Adventure, and while he's a brutally consistent actor there, I never even considered that he's picked up tricks in an older group.
I feel like Woolie's bizarre almost anger with John over having to get caught up on Berserk is because on some deep, bizarre, subconscious level, Woolie never intended to get caught up. He just wanted to keep Berserk as this abstract masterpiece that he would never finish. Just like Miura.
When John said he really wanted them to say Silent Hill, all I could think of was one of the dudes in a foggy place and he says "It's so Silent here... (Turns to the camera) like some kind of Silent Hill." then the camera flies past him and zooms out and we see the town of Silent Hill! Then we hear a voice "Looks like you're gonna need a hell of a lot more than a pistol." the camera turns to who it is and it's James Sutherland with a missing eye, a cigarette in his mouth, a large trenchcoat, and in his hand is a battle axe/shotgun.
Before it starts, everyone should be aware that Legend of Galactic Heros is available on the Internet archive, so if you want to watch the first 2 episodes before hand you can. The quality it poor since it's a rip of a dvd from the time fans passed around burned on subtitled versions, and the video player does a lot of buffering which I've had to download the individual episodes to get around, but it works.
To make Woolie feel better, the Berserk discussion in this episode was enough to satisfy me wanting to hear yall talk about it. To satisfy John, the Bojack discussion will make me pay for the patreon, damn you.
"You cannot spoil truly exceptional art, because there's nothing like experiencing it." Absolute FACTS, John, thank you so much for saying this. I understand wanting to avoid spoilers but the internet's absolutely insane levels of spoiler paranoia like they permanently obliterate someone's enjoyment does a massive disservice to what a great story actually is.
Disagree. Spoiling it would not devalue it completely, but it's not the same thing. I recently had the ability to experience a few things without spoilers and it hits differently. And then whiny assholes who put spoilers in the title and/or thumbnail banded with TH-cam algorithm to spoil me the final boss of Shadow of the Erdtree before I could get to it myself due to electricity problems.
@@demilung I agree that its just good ettiquette to not put spoilers out in the open like that or to spoil people on things on purpose. If it happens on accident, that sucks. But it feels situational on if the spoiler actually ruins it totally for me, or if it simply makes my experience with the thing different but still equally good. There are even a few exceptional sitations where I had 0 interest in a piece of media until after I had heard a certain spoiler and that spoiler made me interested in the thing to begin with. It really depends, but I still think we should all do our best to give people the ability to opt-in to spoilers instead of them getting a piece of information against thier will.
The screamed I scrumpt when I realized that the Orgy had been removed from Ascension 😂. I also love that John didn’t even explain that Ascension actually ends with literally everyone dying but it tries to play it off as hopeful. He was that tired of talking about it 😂
To add onto the Omikron vs Ascension conversation, Omikron was at least an ORIGINAL idea and not skin-walking as a cynical mobile game trying to take money from people who are still trying to latch onto the Silent Hill brand
Hearing John describe Legend of the Galactic Heroes has me thinking of it in terms of Starcraft. Like Reinhart and Yang are two Starcraft players who's only interaction is playing against each other.
3:38:47 As a Darkest Dungeon expert, I can answer this with a "pretty much, yeah." Darkest Dungeon 2 is not a bad game, but it is a very different one from Darkest Dungeon 1. Red Hook specifically said they wanted to make a new game and not "Darkest Dungeon but BETTER." The philosophy behind Darkest Dungeon 1 was going into a dungeon to fight the evil, while the philosophy design behind 2 was escaping the dungeon you were in. And while that is not what the game turned out to be, you can still see the essence of that design throughout the game At the risk of making some people mad, I'd compare it to Dark Souls 1 and 2. Like people passionately hate the second one while others passionately love it. They are very different games, but still good in their own right if you can get into them
Honestly you make me bad because compare the darkest games with the two souls games is such an AWFUL comparison, like genuinely horrid You could’ve used street fighter and people (especially THESE two guy’s audiences) would’ve perfectly understood
My day at work sucked today, so I'm very glad I get to hear my two favorite yappers in the most powerful book club on the internet. What a wonderful spot of light in my dark and stormy day.
In fairness, Robert Jordan knew he was dying, and made *extensive* outlines for how the series should end, which Brandon Sanderson worked from. He wasn't, to my knowledge, a personal friend of Jordan, but it's very aligned with what Jordan's vision was for the ending.
The Corrupt Democracy vs Benevolent Autocracy argument feels so dumb to me because so many things need to unrealistically align for the autocracy to be benevolent in the first place.
There have been a few instances in history of autocracies that have been at least perceived as benevolent, but I agree that's unrealistic in the long run
It also becomes impossible for problems to be fixed unless the autocrat wants it. This is the basic problem with monarchy - you can have a good king, even a great king - what happens when his kid is Nero?
Tbh I don't believe woolie entirely hit the nail on the head with that description of the conflict imo. The two ideologies the show throws against each other don't align with the two main parties of the in universe conflict. I would say the ideological conflict the show tries to portray is idealism vs pragmatism.
I know you won't see this John or Woolie, but Berserk to me, didn't end at Teardrop of Morning Dew. Berserk "ended" at Kouji Mori's "Kentaro Miura Memorial Manga" one shot. An autobiography manga of Mori's experience working with Miura, and as well as being his friend - and Miura's influence to him, as a mangaka and an individual. John and Woolie. I think reading that before going into "New Berserk" helps subsidise that fear a bit. Not because it guarantees that "New Berserk" will be as great as Miura'a Berserk, but at least it reassures that Berserk's legacy will be in appropriate hands. Miura's storytelling and thus his influence, is still not finished, it lives on through others like Mori who will be working on Berserk from now on.
I actually went to Dick's (before it was called Karen's apparently) during a highschool trip to Boston and it was pretty fun. The waiter threw the silverware on the table and gave me a paper hat that said "practices making out with a pillow" and my friend who I was eating with got "this date sucks" it was so much fun. Though I did get terrible diarrhea from the burger I had and it kind of ruined my whole trip since I was basically in a shit sweat for the majority of the day. I don't think that was the intentional "shitty" experience they had in mind. Unless it was and that was some 500IQ shit they were running, in which case well played. You humiliated me inside and out.
When Frank Herbert's son continued Dune, with the help of an acclaimed sci-fi author, they apparently had a manuscript to draw from. What they wrote was a 10000 year story encompassing expansions of the universe over 7 books, putting out more books than the original author himself. The result? A golem made exclusively from vomit.
@@johnrivers3813 Interestingly, the ones that take place 10k years before (The Butlerian Jihad) books are moderately enjoyable, even if they're made from an awful, unnecessary need to explain every little thing that was ever mentioned in the main series. But your response is warranted, given the rest of them.
The show should have a segment where patreon recommend something for the two of you to experience to see if I can touch Berserk. I would recommend The Ravages of Time by Chen Mou, The World is Mine and Kiichi/VS by Hideki Arai
The idea of a demon being constantly astonished by the things his weird cult gets up to and going "oh shit, that's hardcore, I gotta respect that" is funny and interesting as fuck
Mother losing her faith was my comment on John stream. He was like OMG. I'm currently reading Berserk for the first time. I'm buying 1 Deluxe volume a month. I'm on 6/14. It's going to be a while for me before I come back to these Berserk discussions.
1:04:50 Versus Wolves is the only podcast where, after one host brings up the idea that the other host is getting masochist pleasure out of something, The other responds with "I start coming first" in pure innocence.
LOGH is my favorite series ever. Good on you for watching it. Also, sup Woolie. Played you in SamSho at WEMAD. I want a rematch against your Darli. You got me back in the gym, lol Also, my favorite Yang quotes: _“I despise those who hide in safety while they glorify war and patriotism and send other people to the battlefield while they relax behind the lines. It is a difficult thing to live with those people under the same flag.”_ and my all time #1 Yang banger _”If you could pardon my rudeness, your excellency, your words are as if the value of fire should be denied, simply because arson exists.”_
For how much John calls Woolie's recommendations 'mean-spirited', I think he really doesn't get how fucked up it is to have some play Fear and Hunger's 'Terror and Starvation' modes as their first exposure to that game.
Randomly, to Woolie's point about amnesiac protagonists, in all my time gaming, there's only been 2 done that I feel are really... Good. Terra in FF6 and Castti in Octopath Traveler 2. And that's largely because what's forgotten isn't core to the main thrust of the story, broadly speaking. Like, Terra's amnesia is at most like... a month or two and she isn't really affected by it. She is who she is even without those memories, and the fact she never really recovers it is never a concern because of that. By contrast, Castti's amneisa is a deeply personal thing. It's not a bonk to the head, or some mystic force removing memories, it's a trauma response. In a lot of ways reminiscent of what Silent Hill tries to communicate in a couple places. But she's also not the sole main character and thus the brunt of world building is not thrust upon that amnesia. The game works perfectly fine if you never encounter Castti and the world is built out in other ways, making Castti's quest for her memories a far more engaging thing, and ultimately kind of the prologue to a bigger story. But like Terra, she is still her without the memories and it's her sense of duty and compassion pushing her to regain those memories because she's got something she needs to do but can't remember what.
Hopefully John eventually finishes Galactic Heroes. While Berserk might be, at least to them, the greatest story ever told, Galactic Heroes is the greatest space opera ever made.
After the Berserk and Dokapon discussion, I so badly need Berserk-style fanart with Kathy as Griffith and John as Guts. I need it like SpongeBob needed water in the dome.
John’s dual recommendation is pretty sweet. Finally, some peace on this podcast. Darkest Dungeon, let’s goooo (even though I like the first one more). The next episode’s gonna turn out great.
I’m feeling the second game more.. it’s just that with it’s genre shift, there are some “growing pains” that need to be tackled It’s like 55/45 split and I can see 2 being my favorite with enough time , love and attention
I look forward to every instance of VS wolves like a kid waiting for the first ending of his first favourite show, every episode feels like the final battle
After listening to the podcast I went to listen to the audiobook of "The Dark Forest" by Cixin Liu, and was surprised to hear a quote from "The Legend of the Galactic Heroes". Won't lie this kinda broke my brain lmao
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"There's a possibility David Cage knows what my face looks like" Don't be silly Woolie. David Cage cannot identify a specific black man.
OMG. Hahaha.. That sounds just about right.
Did Cage say that?
@@amanwithnoname-ds6ep you can infer. like... you just know
David Cage firmly supports black men serving as metaphors for Adult Topics Such As Slavery And Civil Rights
@@ruikirisame1744 infer... what?
"Dad and Dad are fighting again..."
Wait is this Versus Wolves All In Pay Per View event that people are talking about for since Wrestlemania 40
My exact feeling at the end of last episode and then the start of this one
The most dysfunctional gay couple.
@@TeamGhostRyderINC so could we please make this happen.... aew please make this your next event
More like dad and granddad.
versus wolves is a social experiment to test how many times one man can recommend his friend Berserk
Does it change from wholesome to evil if either of them recommend the cgi Berserk?
@@gameb9oy we’ll know the gloves are truly off when we see “Sword of the Berserk vs Something Else”
Edgy game berserk
Viking berserk
Berserk
Berserk again
What next?
@@wumbojet he's eventually gonna suggest every single one of the actual official berserk games
There are only three of them tho?@@DreamPrinnySquad
That uncontrolled laughter after the minute long shouting match is how I pictured every Gon in 60 seconds goes as soon the camera turns off
Why is John always so evil in these situations
Some say what's good and what's evil is only a matter of perspective.
Even comes to the comments to say some villain shit
His transformation from Guts to Griffith was very subtle.
@@VersusWolvesPodcast I'll take 'Stuff Villains Say' for 200 Alex.
@@VersusWolvesPodcast Now you're just monologuing
John: So I start coming first
Woolie: 👁🫦👁
Oh
Update, this was a lie
1:04:52
LMFAO I died.
I would like to thank Woolie a thousand times for recommending Dokapon kingdom simply for causing John to go through a Biblically accurate Griffith arc
John in Dokapon: "No... No! I'm the main character! Me! Not her! She can't be so far above me!"
Bro calling Berserk the Bible
@@apeaape or I’m just using the term “biblically accurate” for comedic hyperbole. Though sorry to offend your faith king
@@apeaapefor a lot of anime and manga folk it might as well be a secondary Bible
@@apeaapeI don't want to alarm you or assume intent, but you might have just had an unironic "bro visited his friend" moment, complete with the response face.
I had to re-watch the end of the previous episode to realise the intros implications is that they've been screaming at eachother for the last month.
Thank you I was confused and wouldn't have thought of that!
Me too! I’m too small brained for tha’ boys!!!
Love the implication that they watched anime and played games while still screening at each other
I didn't realise that at all and just assumed the two yelling at each other was an appropriate opening tone for a podcast that has the words "Silent Hill: Ascension" in its title.
Same
>John:
"Space isn't really my thing..."
>John after two episode of Galactic Heroes
"500 EPISODES"
John is incapable of breaking Kayfabe because it's all real to him
Robert Jordan at first didn’t want someone continuing his work once he died, but his opinion on that changed and he basically told his wife-who was his editor of the series too-that if she saw someone who she thought could continue his work in an appropriate way, she could basically choose them to finish the series.
Brandon Sanderson was chosen when she read a eulogy he wrote about Robert Jordan’s passing. She then read the first mistborn book and liked it. And he was also a big fan of the books.
She let him look at Robert Jordan’s notes, and he did his best to keep in line with Robert Jordan’s vision, and Harriet was still one of the editors for the Sanderson wheel of time books.
I believe there was a lot of care that went into the last couple wheel of time books. And from what I understand the end of the series is well liked (personally haven’t read them).
I hope Miura’s vision of berserk is handled with the same care. It deserves it.
Unfortunately, that's not what's happening at all.
@@TheTrueRandomGamer Oh :(
I've read the whole of Jordan's Wheel of Time and then re-read it before reading the Sanderson finishing books back to back.
I think he did a good job. They feel fitting, it's not like there's a clear and jarring line of style change. Yeah, there are differences, but those books also feature some of the most monumental events in the history of that world, they would be different. There is somewhat of a feel of tidying up the plotlines in a few places, but it's literally about preparing and finishing ordeals before the Final Battle For The World.
"Woolie, you don't understand:
I started coming first" is a real phrase, goddamn
I love how long it takes for the miscommunication to be fixed
John said "I start coming first" not "I started"
“After this is over, I can never fight Cathy again.”
Wrong John. You will be fighting Cathy for the rest of your life.
Clear all Cathy
At this point, the only reason he can never rematch Kathy again is because he'll be deleted from reality, and Kathy will take his place.
“I want you to remember, John… in all the years to come… in your most private moments… I want you to remember… my face… at the top of the Weekly Results… I want you to remember… the NPC who beat you…”
This podcast is like two teddy bears biffing each other in the face with their soft padded fuzzywuzz paws and yelling that they're meaner than the other, but nobody's buying it, but everyone's going along with it because it's just so adorable.
There’s no real beef, but anger and frustration is definitely real if not played up for a performance
@@gameb9oyIt’s the wrestling of Podcasts. No real beef, but the storytelling is
John the Villain vs. Woolie the Liar. What a time to be alive
Edit: episode is over, with John continuing his reign as the overarching villain
Jon was BLINDSIDED and is now DOWN A PIE
For a second I thought they had actually found peace.
@@Ryans_tryin he’s really gonna let his hatred blind him again. Did Kathy teach him nothing 😭
@@mario98730 John claimed to of loved Vinland Saga, and has yet to fully understand it. Maybe someday he will truly be able to say he has no enemies
They are doing a great act of their friendship being actually on the rocks.
I'm really thankful for the intermissons tbh
having both makes for a nice hot/cold
act?
"John and Woolie aren't friends anymore"
- Patrick "fuckboi" Boivin
Walking into Karen's diner alone is like walking through a fog gate without a weapon
I can hear the fog noise and the music starting
1:06:00 Woolie suddenly realizes he thought 'John came in his pants' instead of 'John got to first place'
Woolie is just perfectly mirroring John's chat when he said the exact same thing during the dokapon stream. He didn't realize it then either.
John's reaction when he understands what Woolie understood is priceless
Hey, I just wanna say how well you're doing at yelling in a non-threatening way.
I have PTSD and often men yelling can seriously scare me pretty badly, even if they're not yelling at me.
However, I don't think you two have ever scared me with the yelling.
So I want to tell you: good job!
Most people don't have consideration for people as sensitive as me, so thank you for doing a good job.
Do you know why it would be that their yelling isn’t as “threatening”?
Is it just less anger present in their voices?
@@SnowyJop I think it's something about their tonal patterns. Fake anger and real anger sound different.
Not positive though, sorry.
I don’t have PTSD but I’m easily bothered by yelling and I concur, and I’m glad you feel safe to watch this
The curse of LoGH is that once you finish it, you will never find another series like it. It is a true masterpiece that will stick with you for life.
This is why I'm putting off watching it - I don't want to peak too early.
I just don't want to put in the time so I just watched the first three eps. It was pretty neat.
its funny bc I watched LoGH from start to finish 10 years ago and its literally all I think about
@Renoistic pretty pointless to only do that.
I have only ever read the novels, Such an experience. I will be watching the OVAs next I guess.
"After the strip club how bad can it be"
Proceeds to describe BDSM club
Woolie Vs. Flogging coming up next
John's mic out there fighting for its goddamn life
“Woolie, I’m coming first”
*Cyberpunk 2077 music plays*
"In Dokapon you can become-"
I have to say that I'm enjoying this new genre of ranked competitive podcasting
Eyepatch wolf's Silent Hill analysis is spot on. You can't go back. Like how silent hill 4 is about how you can't get your foreskin back.
"You fuckin' Fear And Hunger'd it. Again. Now am I going to suffer? Are you going to recommend another David Cage game?"
The trauma runs deeeeeep.
Man, John accidentally implying he's a power bottom without even realizing it, then hiding his face in shame while Woolie laughs raucously has to be a top 5 versus wolves moment XD
One little thing about how well written and predictive Galactic Heroes is.
After the first battle between Yang and Reinhardt and the President is hosting that announcement, in the OVA Yang stays in his hotel room calling it a waste of time.
In both the original Yang goes, and stays seated during the anthem and refuses to applaud and is called out. In the New Thesis this episode aired when those NFL players were doing the exact same.
I think about the line that opens New Thesis from time to time. It was around the lines of "Any resemblance to people or events is both coincidental and inevitable."
The one thing that series gets above all else is that people, ultimately, haven't changed all that much.
@@User5770the original’s opening statements is “in every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.”
And it’s 100% correct.
That was 79 seconds of yelling.
This is gonna be a great episode (:
OH GOD JOHN IS GONNA RECOMMEND BERSERK 2016
WHY WOULD YOU WILLINGLY INDULGE IN OMIKRON??????
I am at one minute in, and there is a dark passenger inside of me that craves the full 3 hours and 44 minuites to just be entirely this.
Holy shit the chaos this episode starts with really illustrates where this podcast has gone.
I feel like John and woolie need a marriage counsellor. I really dont want my internet dads (that are the same age as me) to get a divorce.
It's just a bit my man...
The episode starts and Reggie is in the middle of the screen, reclined. Sometimes adding a little “and how does that make you feel?”
The recommend or die on this is gonna be fucking bonkers
Edit: yup, it’s nuts
And now the healing begins.
as somebody who as gotten the grand slam achievement in DD2. OH BOY. one of the best euphoric moments in gaming was hitting the final boss after a full run of the game with no deaths and a single team for all the different boss gimmicks.
first attempt but DAMN the amount of time and effort at stake there was immense.
NOTE: for those that know how DD2 works. my first attempt at grand slam after my first clear of the game that took months, ended the final chapter on my LAST UNLOCK of new and thus Starting gear available. If I failed there. every attempt after would have been substantially harder. this was the last chance to hit the GRAND SLAM!
@@aashtrayy it’s the most wholesome recommend or die, which makes it the scariest recommend or die. Cuz what’s gonna happen after they both reload 😂
I did not anticipate this being the way it'd play out for the first recommendation that neother party experienced
Can’t wait for john’s next merch line about a certain sliver haired nun that takes over angel city
I'm going to say "this is a work" right up until the moment one of them physically attacks the other.
The acting is getting better c:
Seeing "this is a work" made the wrestling fan in me really happy.
1:06:47 Eyepatchwof invokes the spirit of Pat with his face turning pink in mere moments
Man, I wasn't expecting John and Woolie to have continued that argument about what constitutes experiencing a recommendation from the end of last month's episode until the start of this one. :P
There's some simple tests that could be applied that I imagine Woolie would have failed all of. Can you name three of the central characters? Can you give an overarching summary of the plot for say, the first half of the media? Did you consume said media through the lens of another, i.e. watching someone stream a game or review a game, no matter how thorough, is a whole different experience to playing it or in the case of Ascension, watching it.
I personally think Woolie has no leg to stand on to begin with since ONE EPISODE is nowhere near enough to say that you've watched a show before. Even funnier that it came right after John admitting he had seen the first few episodes of LGH but that he didn't think that was anywhere near enough to combo break.
"Have you played Shenmue 3?" And Woolie shat his pants.
Less than a minute in and John is already going full supervillain, good lord
Edit: he’s 100% right, but that really was Sephiroth dialogue
That is a total Woolie evil moment. Don’t blame poor John because Woolie tries to wiggle his way out
@@ianbyrne465 sure, man
Whatever you say
You know what Hooty, you’re right.
Thinking John is the Villian is like thinking Griffith did nothing wrong. I will die on this hill
Can you truly call someone who plays all of Omikron, and then forgives the man who placed the burden on him, a villain?
I've been so hyped to see what John thinks about LotGH. Yall have no idea
1:38:48 I jumped out of my chair and then promptly sat back down still psyched, but emotionally rollarcoastered....
As a former food service worker, working at Karen's sounds like a power fantasy
Can you imagine Pat & Paige Versus Karen's Diner? It's a coin flip on if they clap back when insulted or just implode.
Paige would probably playfully clap back and Pat would be rolling his eyes with the “Woooah. Woooo.” Look..
I think someone messing with his food would just kill him.
I imagine that Pat would’ve loved working there, especially if this was the version of pat that had to work retail for years
I couldn't even guess who'd come first
Paige is pretty outgoing so she'd probably have a great time playing along with it. Pat would implode though.
Oh boy its time for the monthly final episode of Versus Wolves
John is showing great restraint for not using his years in the knife fight gauntlets of LFAB GOTY to bully Woolie in these rankings
Oh, geez. I've listened to Let's Fight A Boss before, and I forgot that John had a home podcast just like Woolie. Most of my experience with podcast John is on JeffJeff's Bizarre Adventure, and while he's a brutally consistent actor there, I never even considered that he's picked up tricks in an older group.
I feel like Woolie's bizarre almost anger with John over having to get caught up on Berserk is because on some deep, bizarre, subconscious level, Woolie never intended to get caught up. He just wanted to keep Berserk as this abstract masterpiece that he would never finish. Just like Miura.
When John said he really wanted them to say Silent Hill, all I could think of was one of the dudes in a foggy place and he says "It's so Silent here... (Turns to the camera) like some kind of Silent Hill." then the camera flies past him and zooms out and we see the town of Silent Hill! Then we hear a voice "Looks like you're gonna need a hell of a lot more than a pistol." the camera turns to who it is and it's James Sutherland with a missing eye, a cigarette in his mouth, a large trenchcoat, and in his hand is a battle axe/shotgun.
If only Kircheis were here maybe John wouldn't have missed that tournament
Bruh
Before it starts, everyone should be aware that Legend of Galactic Heros is available on the Internet archive, so if you want to watch the first 2 episodes before hand you can. The quality it poor since it's a rip of a dvd from the time fans passed around burned on subtitled versions, and the video player does a lot of buffering which I've had to download the individual episodes to get around, but it works.
To make Woolie feel better, the Berserk discussion in this episode was enough to satisfy me wanting to hear yall talk about it.
To satisfy John, the Bojack discussion will make me pay for the patreon, damn you.
You can’t stop John from coming
- first in Dokapon
"You cannot spoil truly exceptional art, because there's nothing like experiencing it." Absolute FACTS, John, thank you so much for saying this. I understand wanting to avoid spoilers but the internet's absolutely insane levels of spoiler paranoia like they permanently obliterate someone's enjoyment does a massive disservice to what a great story actually is.
@@Rycluse This is John, guy who famously made a huge "Do spoilers ruin stories?" video essay like 7 years ago
Disagree. Spoiling it would not devalue it completely, but it's not the same thing. I recently had the ability to experience a few things without spoilers and it hits differently. And then whiny assholes who put spoilers in the title and/or thumbnail banded with TH-cam algorithm to spoil me the final boss of Shadow of the Erdtree before I could get to it myself due to electricity problems.
@@demilung I agree that its just good ettiquette to not put spoilers out in the open like that or to spoil people on things on purpose. If it happens on accident, that sucks. But it feels situational on if the spoiler actually ruins it totally for me, or if it simply makes my experience with the thing different but still equally good. There are even a few exceptional sitations where I had 0 interest in a piece of media until after I had heard a certain spoiler and that spoiler made me interested in the thing to begin with. It really depends, but I still think we should all do our best to give people the ability to opt-in to spoilers instead of them getting a piece of information against thier will.
The screamed I scrumpt when I realized that the Orgy had been removed from Ascension 😂. I also love that John didn’t even explain that Ascension actually ends with literally everyone dying but it tries to play it off as hopeful. He was that tired of talking about it 😂
One way I always try to hook people into watching LOTGH is by saying " you are simply watching history unfold, fast and across all space".
"The legend ends and history begins"
To add onto the Omikron vs Ascension conversation, Omikron was at least an ORIGINAL idea and not skin-walking as a cynical mobile game trying to take money from people who are still trying to latch onto the Silent Hill brand
Hearing John describe Legend of the Galactic Heroes has me thinking of it in terms of Starcraft. Like Reinhart and Yang are two Starcraft players who's only interaction is playing against each other.
That comparison is not a bad one.
3:38:47 As a Darkest Dungeon expert, I can answer this with a "pretty much, yeah." Darkest Dungeon 2 is not a bad game, but it is a very different one from Darkest Dungeon 1. Red Hook specifically said they wanted to make a new game and not "Darkest Dungeon but BETTER." The philosophy behind Darkest Dungeon 1 was going into a dungeon to fight the evil, while the philosophy design behind 2 was escaping the dungeon you were in. And while that is not what the game turned out to be, you can still see the essence of that design throughout the game
At the risk of making some people mad, I'd compare it to Dark Souls 1 and 2. Like people passionately hate the second one while others passionately love it. They are very different games, but still good in their own right if you can get into them
Honestly you make me bad because compare the darkest games with the two souls games is such an AWFUL comparison, like genuinely horrid
You could’ve used street fighter and people (especially THESE two guy’s audiences) would’ve perfectly understood
Literally the first 30 second 😂😂 this podcast needs to be awarded something
My day at work sucked today, so I'm very glad I get to hear my two favorite yappers in the most powerful book club on the internet. What a wonderful spot of light in my dark and stormy day.
In fairness, Robert Jordan knew he was dying, and made *extensive* outlines for how the series should end, which Brandon Sanderson worked from. He wasn't, to my knowledge, a personal friend of Jordan, but it's very aligned with what Jordan's vision was for the ending.
Glad to see John got into LoGH, despite it's age and stiffness. Brilliant recommendation. It's one of these media things that stays with you.
My god this intro is a good sign
The Corrupt Democracy vs Benevolent Autocracy argument feels so dumb to me because so many things need to unrealistically align for the autocracy to be benevolent in the first place.
There have been a few instances in history of autocracies that have been at least perceived as benevolent, but I agree that's unrealistic in the long run
There's also the fact that if a democracy is corrupt, it's usually not entirely accurate to label it as a democracy
It also becomes impossible for problems to be fixed unless the autocrat wants it. This is the basic problem with monarchy - you can have a good king, even a great king - what happens when his kid is Nero?
Tbh I don't believe woolie entirely hit the nail on the head with that description of the conflict imo. The two ideologies the show throws against each other don't align with the two main parties of the in universe conflict.
I would say the ideological conflict the show tries to portray is idealism vs pragmatism.
"I need a bro" may genuinely be one of the nicest things I've ever heard John say to Woolie.
I'm just hoping that John talks about his recent experiences with Kathy and that he is for sure going to have to play omicron again
Edit: HE DID!
After a long day of Mom & Dad fighting it's always great to wind down with listening to Dad & Dad fighting
I love starting this and it just being yelling. Best final episode opening yet
"I start coming first" said with the most accidental dom energy
I know you won't see this John or Woolie, but Berserk to me, didn't end at Teardrop of Morning Dew.
Berserk "ended" at Kouji Mori's "Kentaro Miura Memorial Manga" one shot.
An autobiography manga of Mori's experience working with Miura, and as well as being his friend - and Miura's influence to him, as a mangaka and an individual.
John and Woolie. I think reading that before going into "New Berserk" helps subsidise that fear a bit.
Not because it guarantees that "New Berserk" will be as great as Miura'a Berserk, but at least it reassures that Berserk's legacy will be in appropriate hands.
Miura's storytelling and thus his influence, is still not finished, it lives on through others like Mori who will be working on Berserk from now on.
I actually went to Dick's (before it was called Karen's apparently) during a highschool trip to Boston and it was pretty fun. The waiter threw the silverware on the table and gave me a paper hat that said "practices making out with a pillow" and my friend who I was eating with got "this date sucks" it was so much fun. Though I did get terrible diarrhea from the burger I had and it kind of ruined my whole trip since I was basically in a shit sweat for the majority of the day. I don't think that was the intentional "shitty" experience they had in mind.
Unless it was and that was some 500IQ shit they were running, in which case well played. You humiliated me inside and out.
AFAIK It’s not related at all to Dick’s other than the concept of intentionally rude service.
this is some next level (FINAL) energy
Holding the angry mouth shape while trying not to bust up laughing 👌
When Frank Herbert's son continued Dune, with the help of an acclaimed sci-fi author, they apparently had a manuscript to draw from. What they wrote was a 10000 year story encompassing expansions of the universe over 7 books, putting out more books than the original author himself. The result? A golem made exclusively from vomit.
God post herbert dune is such a travesty
I'm not touching those books
@@johnrivers3813 Interestingly, the ones that take place 10k years before (The Butlerian Jihad) books are moderately enjoyable, even if they're made from an awful, unnecessary need to explain every little thing that was ever mentioned in the main series. But your response is warranted, given the rest of them.
0:32 Mom Dad Please stop Fighting
I felt like a little kid again.
Skipping to the end on mute for a second just to cowardly rebel against what you guys said last podcast
I'M SKIPPING TO THE END AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME (Then I'll watch the entire episode over the course of a few days.)
I did not expect to click this video and instantly be hit with Jon being SUPER RIGHT. WOOLIE YOU GOTTA WATCH IT
All of John's facial expressions during the Dokapon update are just so, so good
The show should have a segment where patreon recommend something for the two of you to experience to see if I can touch Berserk. I would recommend The Ravages of Time by Chen Mou, The World is Mine and Kiichi/VS by Hideki Arai
The idea of a demon being constantly astonished by the things his weird cult gets up to and going "oh shit, that's hardcore, I gotta respect that" is funny and interesting as fuck
Mother losing her faith was my comment on John stream. He was like OMG.
I'm currently reading Berserk for the first time. I'm buying 1 Deluxe volume a month. I'm on 6/14. It's going to be a while for me before I come back to these Berserk discussions.
1:04:50
Versus Wolves is the only podcast where, after one host brings up the idea that the other host is getting masochist pleasure out of something, The other responds with "I start coming first" in pure innocence.
LOGH is my favorite series ever. Good on you for watching it. Also, sup Woolie. Played you in SamSho at WEMAD. I want a rematch against your Darli. You got me back in the gym, lol
Also, my favorite Yang quotes:
_“I despise those who hide in safety while they glorify war and patriotism and send other people to the battlefield while they relax behind the lines. It is a difficult thing to live with those people under the same flag.”_
and my all time #1 Yang banger
_”If you could pardon my rudeness, your excellency, your words are as if the value of fire should be denied, simply because arson exists.”_
For how much John calls Woolie's recommendations 'mean-spirited', I think he really doesn't get how fucked up it is to have some play Fear and Hunger's 'Terror and Starvation' modes as their first exposure to that game.
Oh no, playing a good game.
He didn't actually tell Woolie to play Terror and Starvation though! And his suggestion was to just get to Crow Mauler.
This is the only show on the internet that gives me resting happy face. I realize I’ve been smiling uninterrupted this whole time
Randomly, to Woolie's point about amnesiac protagonists, in all my time gaming, there's only been 2 done that I feel are really... Good. Terra in FF6 and Castti in Octopath Traveler 2. And that's largely because what's forgotten isn't core to the main thrust of the story, broadly speaking. Like, Terra's amnesia is at most like... a month or two and she isn't really affected by it. She is who she is even without those memories, and the fact she never really recovers it is never a concern because of that. By contrast, Castti's amneisa is a deeply personal thing. It's not a bonk to the head, or some mystic force removing memories, it's a trauma response. In a lot of ways reminiscent of what Silent Hill tries to communicate in a couple places. But she's also not the sole main character and thus the brunt of world building is not thrust upon that amnesia. The game works perfectly fine if you never encounter Castti and the world is built out in other ways, making Castti's quest for her memories a far more engaging thing, and ultimately kind of the prologue to a bigger story. But like Terra, she is still her without the memories and it's her sense of duty and compassion pushing her to regain those memories because she's got something she needs to do but can't remember what.
Sorry, but I have to know: have you played Planescape: Torment?
Disco Elysium?
the story at the beginning about the karens diner needs the darkest dungeon stress icons and sounds edited in,
I accidentally turned on 2x playback speed right as they started arguing at the beginning. I messed up my voice from laughing so hard.
The author you were thinking of who finished The Wheel of Time is Brandon Sanderson
"Ohh, I don't wanna just call this game dogwater."
An hour later
"Yeah this is worse than Omikron"
Hopefully John eventually finishes Galactic Heroes. While Berserk might be, at least to them, the greatest story ever told, Galactic Heroes is the greatest space opera ever made.
After the Berserk and Dokapon discussion, I so badly need Berserk-style fanart with Kathy as Griffith and John as Guts. I need it like SpongeBob needed water in the dome.
Watch John's Dokapon videos on Regular Eyepatch Wolf, you'll love the intro
Fantastic episode as always! Really looking forward to the next one.
Hard drop into violence.
Reminds me of getting woken up to my parents screaming
Best podcast
John’s dual recommendation is pretty sweet. Finally, some peace on this podcast.
Darkest Dungeon, let’s goooo (even though I like the first one more). The next episode’s gonna turn out great.
I’m feeling the second game more.. it’s just that with it’s genre shift, there are some “growing pains” that need to be tackled
It’s like 55/45 split and I can see 2 being my favorite with enough time , love and attention
I look forward to every instance of VS wolves like a kid waiting for the first ending of his first favourite show, every episode feels like the final battle
Karen's Diner sounds like the pinnacle of social anxiety horror
Great podcast guys! This was such a good episode!
1:03:12 The three minutes following this are the greatest self inflicted critical hit I've ever seen.
He didn't just fall on his sword... he shoved it through his own skull, grabbed the blade, and twisted it until his neck snapped.
‘I have no enemies’ John referring to Kathy as his ‘enemy’
Great content, I had to watch the first minute twice and listen to each person individually
After listening to the podcast I went to listen to the audiobook of "The Dark Forest" by Cixin Liu, and was surprised to hear a quote from "The Legend of the Galactic Heroes".
Won't lie this kinda broke my brain lmao