The moment when the dancer came over to John to say goodbye and got a bit more physical than he expected, I swear steam was about to shoot out of his ears with how red he got.
Interesting character dynamic developing in this episode: Woolie - literally walks through pitch black darkness and mountains of bugs to slay old gods John - is easily embarrassed and has trouble reading the time
Bro.... Their collective power of storytelling is fucking God-like. The muses have blessed these men the likes have only been seen before with Homer. One of the few podcasts worth listening to not just for the content, interest but the friendship and delivery. Amazing work
3:01:45 John now realising he made Woolie suffer through a game he clearly didnt enjoy just to say he beat it on this podcast just for him to not even show up at a fighting game event is so hilarious.
I know I'm a month late and it's already out, but It's just clips of each of them in their own room talking to the camera about how the podcast can no longer continue because John and Woolie are no longer friends, and how it's been a great journey, and where we can find each of them in their future endeavours.
John beat Fear and Hunger like Griffith. Woolie beat fear and hunger like Guts. EDIT: Getting to the recommendations, The shock/joy of Woolie upon hearing Earthbound is something I was looking forward to with this podcast. EDIT 2, ELECTRIC BOOGALOO: Wowie this post got a shoutout, thanks john!
Woolie's empty scroll/torch story is such a perfect example of the Fear & Hunger experience: pressing through a spiteful, oppressive experience with nothing but resources/knowledge and sheer willpower.
It's very funny that Woolie's "recomendation" for John was a fucking crown of thorns and a crucifix, while his "punishment" is a peak fiction movie and a fun, if embarrassing, time with a friend.
I could hear the "beep bap bo na na" as soon as Woolie was thinking of a punishment and I'm so disappointed that I was correct in Omikron but he ended up backing down
I knew it. I'm so surprised that Woolie managed. I take back everything I thought and felt about Woolie. He's a real one, he can spite his way through anything. Truly the realest Versus Wolf.
i half expected john's b-roll to be a huge surprise of him showing footage of attending and winning the tournament, the man has some real swerves in him
The funniest thing about Woolie making John play Omikron is that Woolie wasn't even on the controls for most of it, really just the infrequent fighting sections.
To be fair woolie had to decipher two seperate ancient tomes (gamefaq walkthroughs) while guiding the others through that nightmare. And as we know looking up what to do is 50% of playing omikron.
The funny thing is that Woolie is 100% right about the whole teenage edgy thing with Fear and Hunger. The creator of the game said he came up with the idea while in a high school tabletop gaming group where he ran a prototype version of what would later become Fear and Hunger as a pen and paper ttrpg where he deliberately made the scenarios as disturbing as possible to squick out the other members of the gaming club.
@@PotionSmeller Yeah, it's one of the reasons I like termina more, it's got way less edgy teen vibes, can't wait to see where the dev goes from here, this guy has so much potential
There's a certain vibe you can get from some things where you can go "Even if you aren't a teenager now, you *came up with this* as a teenager." An example I like to recommend on the TTRPG front is a little something called "Shadow of the Demon Lord." It's a neat DnD-esque system, it's got an honestly fairly fleshed out and interesting setting... but it's also just bluntly, blatantly *gross* in ways that are really cool if you're fifteen. As a quick example, there are *two* ways for your character's dick to fall off in the core rule book.
@@gusbart5856 F&H started as a little project in Miro's high school class about trying to build an edgy and shocking campaign setting, where high school kids contributed their ideas of what a vile and morbid fantasy dungeon should have.
I am literally sweating from how much I've been laughing. John slapped Woolie across the face and Woolie responded with nuclear bombs. This podcast is very very quickly rising to my all time favorite. I cannot wait to see how this degenerates into a bitter rivalry and pure spite. Next month is gonna be WILD
I feel like if their challenges were swapped, John would give up on Fear & Hunger without meeting the Crow Mauler (yet stumble on something more terrifying) while Woolie would not only create a FGC in Ireland in one month, but win one of the tournaments as well.
The Torches mechanic is the biggest reason I am not a fan of recommending Terror & Starvation to newcomers. I get why John got Woolie to play it like that, but part of me is wondering if Woolie would have had a better time on the base difficulty, which would already be challenge enough for most people. You straight up don't need torches to see in the base difficulty, and that seems to be what most negatively affected Woolie's experience with the game. Also, sad to hear that he has been having so many bugs, those can rightfully annoy most people.
This is actually something I've been idly curious about every since SuperEyepatchWolf's video: What's the *big* difference between the two difficulty modes?
@@The5lackeron the normal mode: enemies have less hp and do kess dmg, you can see in a reduced area without a torch, less random events that entirely fuck you over, easier to escape from battles, and you miss out on some unique events related to possible party members
I had a handful of crashes and a quick google search helped me find a fix that involved editing a single line of code, never had any issues after that. Not that any game should ever require you to do this, but I'm surprised Woolie didn't stumble across this since he was looking a few things up.
WHAT A WILD RIDE! John's FGC misadventure is my actual nightmare and that's why I make 100000% certain to confirm any and all dates multiple places; my calendar, my phone alarms, anyone who's coming with me because I can't trust my own brain or sense of passing time
[Woolie with his head down, back turned to Wolf] I didn't want to- you have to know this is- I tried. I tried. *shells being loaded into a double barrel shotgun* John- I'm sorry, I tried. I tried, I really tried, John- *snap* I really tried, I gave it an effort. *click* John. John. I tried. I really tried.
In this episode, Woolie learns that time in prison makes you stronger, and John learns that time in public shaves years off your life. Versus Wolves will continue until one of the hosts _dies._
The sheer indomitable spirit on display of Woolie dragging his broken body through Fear & Hunger is powerful, the man cannot be stopped. I do wish the recommendation had been the base difficulty so he might've actually enjoyed it more, but man, I did not expect him to hit credits on a not-bad-ending.
Woolie making John watch a movie whose title requires him to say the letter "R" three times feels like a power move, and as a response I think next time John should recommend a piece of media that has any of the following words in the title: Skeletal Palette Won Figure Gascoigne
fun fact, Street Fighter Online was a thing back in 2008. It's full name was "Street Fighter Online: Mouse Generation" in which it was a crossover game that happened to feature Street Fighter characters, as well as characters from Louis Cha's novels, Cyborg 009 and Rival Schools.
The one two punch of Woolies insane effort into Funger to John's miss was amazing, but then these recs were so good on top of that, great job! Super looking forward to the next one ^^
John/SEW bringing the most aggression and hype to these podcasts only to not even attend the local FGC is the equivalent of a young wrestler new to the scene coming in with the flashiest entrance only to get KO’d in thirty seconds or less
@@PikaPenny17 Yes he had a fucked up setup that he defends with his life where he has a fucking stick for moving and a mouse for aim. Refuses to learn how to use a keyboard.
@@pricklypear3625For third person but in first it's honestly pretty valuable a lot of time to have instant right and left movement for juking people out or retreating a little faster
the level of hype with the hard cut of "I don't want to make this about hatred" because I was hoping for the game drop and wasn't expecting it to happen so soon but I am VERY excited for the next episode
Ok this is my new favorite podcast. There's actually stakes, it's hilarious, and there are punishments if challenges to not get finished. I love everything about this.
Okay so after a quick google search at the start of this episode it has come to my attention that Street Fighter Online is a REAL GAME, and it DOES feature a character called Hu Fei!? Unless someone has made up a wikipedia page and multiple articles for a fake video game then Street Fighter Online: Mouse Generation seems to have been a pc, mouse controlled fighting game that is now lost media. The game featured street fighter characters, rival schools characters, characters from novels and some other weird crossovers, Hu Fei being a character from a Louis Cha novel. It also seems it was made in association with revoltech. I can't believe this lol.
The tale about going fighting game tournament ending with "the dog ate my homework" vibes had me floored with laughter. Looking forward to the next episode!
The thing about Fear and Hunger is it's almost a lot more of a roguelight than an RPG. Once I started thinking of it that way I didn't get nearly as upset about losing progress.
@@squidlump it does not have enough randomization for Rogue-Like. hell, I'd say there are far too many things that are consistent for even a "-Lite" label. yes, the RNG can make or brake a run, but RNG based Loot Tables alone does not make a Rogue-Anything.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC there’s no meta progression between runs, thus it is MORE a roguelike than roguelite. Never said it literally was one or the other
@@squidlump If we're being purists I don't think it would technically qualify as either because of the way save points are implemented in the game, it's not true permadeath. Even the save points could be considered meta progression but yeah.
Now lets all remember, another of Woolie's core memories as a TH-cam entity is Pat, a man who GLEEFULLY cheats, and save scums, i am absolutely proud of Woolz for mushroom slapping Funger right back xD
2:38:08 I'd argue the dark elements of the first fear and hunger do have a place beyond just being dark. They are painting a picture of just how hopeless the dungeon is and how beyond human morals the old gods (and to a lesser extent the new gods) are; The dungeon of Fear and Hunger is like an amalgamation of all the darkest elements of humanity and then beyond into the realm of ancient eldritch gods that barely even recognize humanity as something worth their attention, and what attention humanity does get from them is something almost completely alien. It is dark to a silly degree sometimes, yes, but that's the point, being there, trying to go deeper, its like diving into something beyond hell itself; Being sent there is a fate worst than death, going there of your own free will is absolutely a horrible mistake that you most likely cant escape from. It says something that, for more horrible that the events of the second game are, they are not as morally repugnant as what can be found in the dungeons of fear and hunger
the bluntness of it is pretty admirable imho. a lot of extremely bleak and disturbing settings give the player character a degree of plot armor in how fucked up they can get, so going in you see a guy with a giant "stinger" and you're like "well that's a little odd but what's the worst that can happen to me? i'm Player Character!" and then, yeah, *that* happens, and while John and Woolie go hard on it, i think the fact that it's not a game over and you just have to tend to your wounds (farcical as they may be) and keep going is what makes it less exploitative and more just a part of the world. the worst thing ever happened to you, but you're not dead and you're still bleeding from somewhere very bad, so what are you gonna do about that? it doesn't just end because something horrific happened and the game felt it couldn't top that. instead you're just left with new problems, just like when you get badly fucked up in real life.
@@conelybiscuit4985 pretty much yeah They keep trying to call it imature and.such But.imature would be if the game insulted you over it or kept calling attention to it. But its just a thing that happened and its up to you as the player how you deal with that. And that specific example has an outside representation too, as It happens to cahara if not picked as the player character, and while traumatized by it they just try to move past it and survive.
In their criticism of it they emphasize a lot about Guts and Casca getting to recover from their trauma, but they're forgetting who they're playing as. In Berserk, Guts is a main character, HE gets to recover; by contrast Bazuso is a side character, HE gets to die. In Fear & Hunger, the player character will never *not* be a Bazuso, the game embraces the brutality of the medieval era and often that means people can end up dying like a dog for no good reason. It's only by sheer luck (and meta foreknowledge) that the player character doesn't get immediately swat out of existence like the mountains of other corpses in the dungeon. It reminds me a lot of Lamentations of the Flame Princess, your character is as good as dead if anything "interesting" starts happening. The moment you take a single step towards that obelisk in the distance, there's no escape. Shouldn't have looked, got dealt a bad hand, that's rough buddy.
@@ArcMinuteLight that and berserk happens over a much longer timeframe than fear and hunger, even if the characters were to recover, we dont get to see that, at most read abou it in the few endings they make it out.
I never thought I'd be joining the Anal Bleeding Defence Force but here I am, I guess. I second everything everyone else has said, and would go further. Think that a great deal more thought went into the guards than most people give the game credit for. A big part of that is the fact that they are placed so early in the game; are likely one of the first enemies you will run into. This is the game setting expectations early on, showing you in unambiguous terms just where it's willing to go. This creates a dread in the player, wondering what other horrors await them. Thing is, the game never really goes that hard down that particular path again; soon becomes a lot more subtle in the horror it has to offer. The game playing the same sort of trick as a survival horror game being extra stingy with resources in the opening act, in order to condition the player to feel a sense of anxiousness whenever they have to expend resources. Now, some might still consider it to be juvenile, or tasteless, or outside their personal comfort zone; but what it isn't is thoughtless or without purpose. You could also argue about whether the game needs to be quite so crude in order to achieve its intended effect. However, I'd argue, in this instance, the crudeness is sort of the point.
It's kind of hilarious how Woolie is supposedly recommending Omikron out of revenge or something when all of Woolie's suffering is 100% self inflicted. The challenge was "encounter Crow Mauler". Woolie decided on his own that he would basically do a completionist run and decided to not look anything up. John did not inflict any of that on him.
3:17:42 - If John had just lied and simply told Woolie he hadn't played Inscription before, I wonder what alternate timeline this podcast would delve into. (speaking from Aug 2024)
I commented on a different epw video that "Catholic guilt is an Irish man wearing a Garfield costume and apologizing to over a million strangers at the same time". I'm not quite sure how to encapsulate this one.
Sucks to hear Dublin has no FGC, but s/o to y’all for giving me the push to check out my locals! I am also not the best at new social situations but I ended having a lot of fun playing casuals and watching brackets.
Man I had a local scene but it got ruined by Leroy right before I went, only one guy showed up beat my ass with Lilly then before I could work up the nerve to go back Covid killed the entire venue. Now everything I’m looking at is at least a 2 hour drive away.
This feels so weird, I never knew these two were friends. I've been absolutely massive into Fighting Games *and* Super Eyepatch Wolf and I could never imagine that Woolie is here with him to do a collab, this is the best most head-canon-y channel I have ever seen and I'm so excited
@@PredictableEnigma that's amazing, I didn't know that! Thank you for telling me. That certainly puts this in a new light and makes me enjoy it a little more!
@@sammyday9743 The story is that Woolie was saying how he really disliked Hunter x Hunter on the Super Best Friends Podcast years ago, and John was a fan of that podcast and was frustrated that Woolie didn't see the greatness of Hunter x Hunter, so he vented that frustration into making his first video "Why You Should Watch Hunter x Hunter" and the rest is history.
Months later, this is still my favorite Versus Wolves episode. You can't get more iconic than this. Magfest origin story AND strip club betrayal AAAAND Woolie playing Funger like an insane person AAAAAAAAAAAND John's utter ruination at the hands of time management???? Where else can you get this, folks.
3:06:22 freeze frame John's hope: "I can't Carry your burdens Mr. Eyepatchwolf... BUT I CAN CARRY YOU!" ~Woolwise Madgee Woolie's mind: *john wayne throwing child into water*
The second he brought up RRR as a punishment, I immediately thought he’s gonna make him perform something from it. As soon as he said “a particular dance number” I screamed to myself “I know what you’re getting at”!!! This is going to be SO GOOD!!
Genuinely one of the best podcasts I've ever had the pleasure of watching/listening to. Chemistry has always been good but now it's off the charts. Can't wait for the next one!
....this is exactly how i expected this podcast to go. because ive been watching both of your projects, both separate, and together, for years, and i, for one, am absolutely, not disappointed. fuck yes.
Honestly, fucking up after doing a lot and ending up not going to a tourney you really wanted to attend but ultimately didn't is also the true FGC experience.
This is the best podcast ever holy shit! The rollercoaster of emotions I felt from the Gunbuster talk, to Fear and Hunger, Jonh's fgc failure, to the ending. Like i need to take a nap or some shit.
So from the video segments Woolie talks about Fear and Hunger for over an hour and John only talks about his challenge for 20 mins... I can already tell John somehow messed up something
I saw that a youtuber, Frapolla, made an unofficial patch for Funger. It seems like since the game dev is dedicated entirely to working on Termina, they don't have time to go back and fix the Funger 1 issues. So the unofficial patch be basically required.
that street fighter figure is legit, its from the game streetfighter online: mouse generation which was a collab between capcom and revoltech. hufei is a cameo character in the game based on a chinese wuxia story "Fox Volant of the Snowy Mountain" another fun fact, it was a pc game and attacks were done entirely with a mouse, using the bottons and scrollwheel. it was also f2p.
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The moment when the dancer came over to John to say goodbye and got a bit more physical than he expected, I swear steam was about to shoot out of his ears with how red he got.
We love you fox
I can *hear* the cartoon steam whistle
Loved your Nier Retrospective, dude.
Bless you Fox, I'm sorry you got fired
Not gonna lie dude, kind of an asshole thing to do
Interesting character dynamic developing in this episode:
Woolie - literally walks through pitch black darkness and mountains of bugs to slay old gods
John - is easily embarrassed and has trouble reading the time
Woolie: "I'm gonna get that boulder up that hill!"
John: "Imma nap."
John has beaten the game multiple times on Terror and Starvation though
THIS SHOW FUCKING RULES
PODCASTS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE PLOT TWISTS AND CHARACTER ARCS BUT HERE WE FUCKIN GO
Bro the way my jaw dropped at the reveal that woolie beat fear and hunger. 😂😂
Bro.... Their collective power of storytelling is fucking God-like. The muses have blessed these men the likes have only been seen before with Homer.
One of the few podcasts worth listening to not just for the content, interest but the friendship and delivery. Amazing work
The classic Dave Strider "people don't have arcs"
@@KYKARMA lol
John going “I’m not …” outside of woolie and punchmom’s hotel room is killing me
Oh shit it's hit journalist gene park
It's the man himself
Well if it isn't Gene Park: The Legendary Dragon of Washington D.C 😮
Strip Club Jesus is here
@genepark you are a freaking king for bringing this Bit to us. I HAVE NOT LAUGHED THIS HARD IN YEARS.
3:01:45 John now realising he made Woolie suffer through a game he clearly didnt enjoy just to say he beat it on this podcast just for him to not even show up at a fighting game event is so hilarious.
And Woolie retaliated by making him play ze bad game
Woolie calmly asking John "Should this be about hatred?" before recommending Omikron is one of the coldest lines ever dropped
The man beat Fear & Hunger through pure spite while his friend failed to show up to a tournament, being a bit hateful is to be expected...
This continues to age extremely well
The buildup and execution to "Are you... supereyepatch wolf" was sublime
This episode: Woolie recommends Omikron to John.
Next episode is Foxcade on camera: "John and Woolie are no longer friends."
I know I'm a month late and it's already out, but
It's just clips of each of them in their own room talking to the camera about how the podcast can no longer continue because John and Woolie are no longer friends, and how it's been a great journey, and where we can find each of them in their future endeavours.
John beat Fear and Hunger like Griffith. Woolie beat fear and hunger like Guts.
EDIT: Getting to the recommendations, The shock/joy of Woolie upon hearing Earthbound is something I was looking forward to with this podcast.
EDIT 2, ELECTRIC BOOGALOO: Wowie this post got a shoutout, thanks john!
"I want wings. Chat, can we do that?"
Down to the fact that John is the reason Woolie descended into this hell
Crazy how this comment got mentioned in the newest episode lol
@@fraserking4747 I was INCREDIBLY shocked
"I have a wife and we play Playstation together"
I cackled like a SWAMP HAG when that line dropped
Such a weirdly wholesome response
I think "I'm a youtuber too" has been dethroned
It becomes all the more funny and kinda horrifying when he shows the footage of the FGC
The modern equivalent of "I sleep in a big bed with my wife"
“Foxcade, you’re fired. Don’t worry about finishing editing this episode, buddy.”
THAT’S WHY THE EPISODE WAS LATE! xD
If you know anyone in need of an editor, I take cash and/or clout.
What about beans? @@Foxcade
Woolie's empty scroll/torch story is such a perfect example of the Fear & Hunger experience: pressing through a spiteful, oppressive experience with nothing but resources/knowledge and sheer willpower.
Jon absolutely experienced a canon event that day in that club. Goddamn.
Watching Woolie's soul die at the combo breaker x2 only to turn the tables with OMIKRON was such a powerful sequence
I audibly gasped
Nobody puts Woolie in the corner.
It's very funny that Woolie's "recomendation" for John was a fucking crown of thorns and a crucifix, while his "punishment" is a peak fiction movie and a fun, if embarrassing, time with a friend.
Classic Woolie, lying again
I could hear the "beep bap bo na na" as soon as Woolie was thinking of a punishment and I'm so disappointed that I was correct in Omikron but he ended up backing down
@@cjs4363TAKE BACK THE VINYL BING BANG TOMATO
"that message is from 3 hours ago" my blood ran cold, I'M GONNA HAVE NIGHTMARES!
Imagine if next month we get to find out that John drowned in pools
I have had real life nightmares about getting that kind of text from work.
I felt nothing but pain from that line drop.
3:19:54 next month: Versus Wolves episode 3 (FINAL)
I'll be real with you guys. Eye patch Wolf and I are no longer friends
John: "I love you"
Michelle: "ye"
Ouch
"I have a couple of save files in Fear and Hunger that say otherwise, John."
Jesus.
Fear & Hunger *does* things to people.
Funger moment
Glad John could join the "Promise nothing and deliver less" brand.
"Did you save Le'gard?"
"Who's Le'gard?"
Never change Woolie
8 hours of Woolie podcasting out this week, we did it boys, a full work day
I knew it. I'm so surprised that Woolie managed. I take back everything I thought and felt about Woolie. He's a real one, he can spite his way through anything. Truly the realest Versus Wolf.
Woolie, during the Eclipse, being surrounded by a hundred demons: "I'll CRAWL out of here if I have to, assholes!"
i half expected john's b-roll to be a huge surprise of him showing footage of attending and winning the tournament, the man has some real swerves in him
The funniest thing about Woolie making John play Omikron is that Woolie wasn't even on the controls for most of it, really just the infrequent fighting sections.
His greatest contribution was screaming at Pat over a screwdriver
To be fair woolie had to decipher two seperate ancient tomes (gamefaq walkthroughs) while guiding the others through that nightmare. And as we know looking up what to do is 50% of playing omikron.
Future viewer here; this detail is in fact very important and a chekovs gun that may fire one day
This series has crazy foreshadowing
"I have a wife and we play Playstation together." is simultaneously so sweet and hilarious; I will never forget this sentence.
3:04:00 "I- I love you." "yeah." She was so done with his shit.
Nothing beats I completely normal sentence like "I FEEL NORMAL"
The funny thing is that Woolie is 100% right about the whole teenage edgy thing with Fear and Hunger. The creator of the game said he came up with the idea while in a high school tabletop gaming group where he ran a prototype version of what would later become Fear and Hunger as a pen and paper ttrpg where he deliberately made the scenarios as disturbing as possible to squick out the other members of the gaming club.
You can tell he matured a lot too. He reins that shit in HARD in Termina. It's still edgy but not nearly as pointlessly so.
@@PotionSmeller Yeah, it's one of the reasons I like termina more, it's got way less edgy teen vibes, can't wait to see where the dev goes from here, this guy has so much potential
There's a certain vibe you can get from some things where you can go "Even if you aren't a teenager now, you *came up with this* as a teenager."
An example I like to recommend on the TTRPG front is a little something called "Shadow of the Demon Lord." It's a neat DnD-esque system, it's got an honestly fairly fleshed out and interesting setting... but it's also just bluntly, blatantly *gross* in ways that are really cool if you're fifteen. As a quick example, there are *two* ways for your character's dick to fall off in the core rule book.
@@PotionSmeller pointless edge lol
@@gusbart5856 F&H started as a little project in Miro's high school class about trying to build an edgy and shocking campaign setting, where high school kids contributed their ideas of what a vile and morbid fantasy dungeon should have.
I am literally sweating from how much I've been laughing. John slapped Woolie across the face and Woolie responded with nuclear bombs. This podcast is very very quickly rising to my all time favorite. I cannot wait to see how this degenerates into a bitter rivalry and pure spite. Next month is gonna be WILD
I feel like if their challenges were swapped, John would give up on Fear & Hunger without meeting the Crow Mauler (yet stumble on something more terrifying) while Woolie would not only create a FGC in Ireland in one month, but win one of the tournaments as well.
I wonder if John would drop out as soon as he encountered the Gaoler's Third Arm. 😆
John quoting Linkin Park to summarise his failures is a mood
John's FGC career is like the games he plays... delay based.
"Are you Super Eyepatch Wolf" oh god I fucking DIED
Edit: THE TWIST HOLY SHIT
The Torches mechanic is the biggest reason I am not a fan of recommending Terror & Starvation to newcomers. I get why John got Woolie to play it like that, but part of me is wondering if Woolie would have had a better time on the base difficulty, which would already be challenge enough for most people. You straight up don't need torches to see in the base difficulty, and that seems to be what most negatively affected Woolie's experience with the game.
Also, sad to hear that he has been having so many bugs, those can rightfully annoy most people.
This is actually something I've been idly curious about every since SuperEyepatchWolf's video: What's the *big* difference between the two difficulty modes?
@@The5lackeron the normal mode: enemies have less hp and do kess dmg, you can see in a reduced area without a torch, less random events that entirely fuck you over, easier to escape from battles, and you miss out on some unique events related to possible party members
I had a handful of crashes and a quick google search helped me find a fix that involved editing a single line of code, never had any issues after that.
Not that any game should ever require you to do this, but I'm surprised Woolie didn't stumble across this since he was looking a few things up.
This podcast is instantly my most beloved thing so far this year
WHAT A WILD RIDE! John's FGC misadventure is my actual nightmare and that's why I make 100000% certain to confirm any and all dates multiple places; my calendar, my phone alarms, anyone who's coming with me because I can't trust my own brain or sense of passing time
The Gods of Spite and Fumble
3:19:53 This might be the cruelest fate one person can commit onto another.
[Woolie with his head down, back turned to Wolf]
I didn't want to- you have to know this is- I tried. I tried.
*shells being loaded into a double barrel shotgun*
John- I'm sorry, I tried. I tried, I really tried, John-
*snap*
I really tried, I gave it an effort.
*click*
John. John. I tried. I really tried.
@@noellesato311John: NO NO NO WAIT WAIT WAIT NOOOOOOO
In this episode, Woolie learns that time in prison makes you stronger, and John learns that time in public shaves years off your life.
Versus Wolves will continue until one of the hosts _dies._
Omfg. John VS Omikron. The game that killed SBFP. Will John throw Shenmue 3 at Woolie next month?
OH GOD ITS SO POSSIBLE
When exactly in the playthrough would you say it happened? Because fuck you might be right
@@okamiv5 Around the point when Woolie started saying he was gonna off everyone and then himself, and they would all thank him.
Versus Wolves [Final]
Pat: "John and Woolie are no longer friends"
They played Omikron waaaay b4 the breakup. Kingdom Hearts is what killed it
"I have a wife and we play Playstation together" will be burned permanently into my memory.
Oh my god woolie the absolute legend
O Lord
Give
Torch
I'm cryinggg
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The sheer indomitable spirit on display of Woolie dragging his broken body through Fear & Hunger is powerful, the man cannot be stopped.
I do wish the recommendation had been the base difficulty so he might've actually enjoyed it more, but man, I did not expect him to hit credits on a not-bad-ending.
Woolie truly roleplaying the tormented soul with that approach to Fear and Hunger.
John was hyping up this story on stream, but nothing could prepare me for that trainwreck
You had me at “perform the RRR dance together.”
I can’t fucking wait.
Eyepatch Wolf really snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in this episode. XD
Versus Wolves [FINAL]
Woolie making John watch a movie whose title requires him to say the letter "R" three times feels like a power move, and as a response I think next time John should recommend a piece of media that has any of the following words in the title:
Skeletal
Palette
Won
Figure
Gascoigne
The ending of this episode may as well be Woolie embracing the Satsui No Hado
fun fact, Street Fighter Online was a thing back in 2008. It's full name was "Street Fighter Online: Mouse Generation" in which it was a crossover game that happened to feature Street Fighter characters, as well as characters from Louis Cha's novels, Cyborg 009 and Rival Schools.
It also had Barack Obama as a character
Every episode is going to be Wolf failing the task and Woolie getting combo breaker-ed
I just thought about how Woolie is podcasting with a fan from like 10 years ago
Just rolled credits playing final fantasy 7 original and saw a new versus wolves upload, life is good
I just lost an hour of Persona 3 Tarturus Progress, so I'm gonna start this episode while I wind down. Congrats of beating FFVII, Fun Game!
Now go play the remake/rebirth demo!
Hearing Johns FGC tale and just thinking "Yep you kick that football Charlie Brown"
The one two punch of Woolies insane effort into Funger to John's miss was amazing, but then these recs were so good on top of that, great job! Super looking forward to the next one ^^
Woolie spent 30 years learning fighting game combos specifically to have the memory capacity to play through Fear and Hunger without torches
John/SEW bringing the most aggression and hype to these podcasts only to not even attend the local FGC is the equivalent of a young wrestler new to the scene coming in with the flashiest entrance only to get KO’d in thirty seconds or less
John: I'm dyslexic
Woolie: I sentence you to eternal suffering and a dance number
Might be my favorite podcast of all time.
Showing up 3 hours late to bracket is such a FGC thing, you're doing it right so far Joho.
Knowing that Woolie played fps with mouse and controller kinda explains why he got through Fear and Hunger.
I forgot about his stupid setup
What's "fps"? Do you mean First Person Shooter games, or...?
@@PikaPenny17 Yes he had a fucked up setup that he defends with his life where he has a fucking stick for moving and a mouse for aim. Refuses to learn how to use a keyboard.
@@ArmoredRevenger Wasd sucks for 3d movement so I don't blame him.
@@pricklypear3625For third person but in first it's honestly pretty valuable a lot of time to have instant right and left movement for juking people out or retreating a little faster
1:47:30 Sylvain from 3 Houses appears in godly glory and says "YEAH YOU JUST GET IT DUDE"
“I’m not made of stone, Woolie”
Jesus H Christ lmao
the level of hype with the hard cut of "I don't want to make this about hatred" because I was hoping for the game drop and wasn't expecting it to happen so soon but I am VERY excited for the next episode
Ok this is my new favorite podcast. There's actually stakes, it's hilarious, and there are punishments if challenges to not get finished. I love everything about this.
Okay so after a quick google search at the start of this episode it has come to my attention that Street Fighter Online is a REAL GAME, and it DOES feature a character called Hu Fei!? Unless someone has made up a wikipedia page and multiple articles for a fake video game then Street Fighter Online: Mouse Generation seems to have been a pc, mouse controlled fighting game that is now lost media. The game featured street fighter characters, rival schools characters, characters from novels and some other weird crossovers, Hu Fei being a character from a Louis Cha novel. It also seems it was made in association with revoltech. I can't believe this lol.
I remember downloading it when it came out.
"mouse controlled fighting game"
Oh boy
Be right back, gotta Google something..
I also featured Barack Obama as a DLC character, no joke.
static.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/d/df/Obama_Street_Fighter.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170225152552
The tale about going fighting game tournament ending with "the dog ate my homework" vibes had me floored with laughter. Looking forward to the next episode!
John living up to that Final Gamer moniker. Final gamer to arrive, that is.
A famous cosplayer knows your work "oh shit people watch my stuff"
A stripper recognize you at her workplace "oh shit I'm famous"
I don't want to be preemptive...
But this may be the best podcast ever concieved, it's certaintly the most powerful one I've encountered.
Absolutely unhinged energy on this podcast. And it's only episode two.
The thing about Fear and Hunger is it's almost a lot more of a roguelight than an RPG. Once I started thinking of it that way I didn't get nearly as upset about losing progress.
I’d say it’s more a roguelike then roguelite
@@squidlump it does not have enough randomization for Rogue-Like.
hell, I'd say there are far too many things that are consistent for even a "-Lite" label.
yes, the RNG can make or brake a run, but RNG based Loot Tables alone does not make a Rogue-Anything.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC there’s no meta progression between runs, thus it is MORE a roguelike than roguelite. Never said it literally was one or the other
@@squidlump If we're being purists I don't think it would technically qualify as either because of the way save points are implemented in the game, it's not true permadeath. Even the save points could be considered meta progression but yeah.
Now lets all remember, another of Woolie's core memories as a TH-cam entity is Pat, a man who GLEEFULLY cheats, and save scums, i am absolutely proud of Woolz for mushroom slapping Funger right back xD
2:38:08 I'd argue the dark elements of the first fear and hunger do have a place beyond just being dark.
They are painting a picture of just how hopeless the dungeon is and how beyond human morals the old gods (and to a lesser extent the new gods) are; The dungeon of Fear and Hunger is like an amalgamation of all the darkest elements of humanity and then beyond into the realm of ancient eldritch gods that barely even recognize humanity as something worth their attention, and what attention humanity does get from them is something almost completely alien.
It is dark to a silly degree sometimes, yes, but that's the point, being there, trying to go deeper, its like diving into something beyond hell itself; Being sent there is a fate worst than death, going there of your own free will is absolutely a horrible mistake that you most likely cant escape from.
It says something that, for more horrible that the events of the second game are, they are not as morally repugnant as what can be found in the dungeons of fear and hunger
the bluntness of it is pretty admirable imho. a lot of extremely bleak and disturbing settings give the player character a degree of plot armor in how fucked up they can get, so going in you see a guy with a giant "stinger" and you're like "well that's a little odd but what's the worst that can happen to me? i'm Player Character!"
and then, yeah, *that* happens, and while John and Woolie go hard on it, i think the fact that it's not a game over and you just have to tend to your wounds (farcical as they may be) and keep going is what makes it less exploitative and more just a part of the world. the worst thing ever happened to you, but you're not dead and you're still bleeding from somewhere very bad, so what are you gonna do about that? it doesn't just end because something horrific happened and the game felt it couldn't top that. instead you're just left with new problems, just like when you get badly fucked up in real life.
@@conelybiscuit4985 pretty much yeah
They keep trying to call it imature and.such
But.imature would be if the game insulted you over it or kept calling attention to it.
But its just a thing that happened and its up to you as the player how you deal with that.
And that specific example has an outside representation too, as It happens to cahara if not picked as the player character, and while traumatized by it they just try to move past it and survive.
In their criticism of it they emphasize a lot about Guts and Casca getting to recover from their trauma, but they're forgetting who they're playing as. In Berserk, Guts is a main character, HE gets to recover; by contrast Bazuso is a side character, HE gets to die.
In Fear & Hunger, the player character will never *not* be a Bazuso, the game embraces the brutality of the medieval era and often that means people can end up dying like a dog for no good reason. It's only by sheer luck (and meta foreknowledge) that the player character doesn't get immediately swat out of existence like the mountains of other corpses in the dungeon.
It reminds me a lot of Lamentations of the Flame Princess, your character is as good as dead if anything "interesting" starts happening. The moment you take a single step towards that obelisk in the distance, there's no escape. Shouldn't have looked, got dealt a bad hand, that's rough buddy.
@@ArcMinuteLight that and berserk happens over a much longer timeframe than fear and hunger, even if the characters were to recover, we dont get to see that, at most read abou it in the few endings they make it out.
I never thought I'd be joining the Anal Bleeding Defence Force but here I am, I guess. I second everything everyone else has said, and would go further. Think that a great deal more thought went into the guards than most people give the game credit for.
A big part of that is the fact that they are placed so early in the game; are likely one of the first enemies you will run into. This is the game setting expectations early on, showing you in unambiguous terms just where it's willing to go. This creates a dread in the player, wondering what other horrors await them.
Thing is, the game never really goes that hard down that particular path again; soon becomes a lot more subtle in the horror it has to offer. The game playing the same sort of trick as a survival horror game being extra stingy with resources in the opening act, in order to condition the player to feel a sense of anxiousness whenever they have to expend resources.
Now, some might still consider it to be juvenile, or tasteless, or outside their personal comfort zone; but what it isn't is thoughtless or without purpose. You could also argue about whether the game needs to be quite so crude in order to achieve its intended effect. However, I'd argue, in this instance, the crudeness is sort of the point.
It's kind of hilarious how Woolie is supposedly recommending Omikron out of revenge or something when all of Woolie's suffering is 100% self inflicted.
The challenge was "encounter Crow Mauler". Woolie decided on his own that he would basically do a completionist run and decided to not look anything up. John did not inflict any of that on him.
John fumbles the bag for a three and a half hour video
THE SOUND THAT I MADE WHEN WOOLIE RECOMMENDED SAGA TO JOHN
PLEASE, PLEASE TALK ABOUT SAGA. IT'S MY FAVORITE COMIC OF ALL TIME
3:17:42 - If John had just lied and simply told Woolie he hadn't played Inscription before, I wonder what alternate timeline this podcast would delve into.
(speaking from Aug 2024)
I commented on a different epw video that "Catholic guilt is an Irish man wearing a Garfield costume and apologizing to over a million strangers at the same time". I'm not quite sure how to encapsulate this one.
Sucks to hear Dublin has no FGC, but s/o to y’all for giving me the push to check out my locals! I am also not the best at new social situations but I ended having a lot of fun playing casuals and watching brackets.
Man I had a local scene but it got ruined by Leroy right before I went, only one guy showed up beat my ass with Lilly then before I could work up the nerve to go back Covid killed the entire venue.
Now everything I’m looking at is at least a 2 hour drive away.
SIN, FOOD, SIN ,FOOD, SIN, FOOD would make a banger shirt design
As someone who has listened to eyepatchwolf diss Jeff Bakalar over at GB's jojo pod, its very fun to see that same energy get aimed right back at him
And it carried over into the latest episode.
I love that woolie played fear and hunger somehow in the most fear and hunger way possible. Getting through with spite and willpower
This feels so weird, I never knew these two were friends. I've been absolutely massive into Fighting Games *and* Super Eyepatch Wolf and I could never imagine that Woolie is here with him to do a collab, this is the best most head-canon-y channel I have ever seen and I'm so excited
Woolie is the reason John started his TH-cam channel all those years ago 😅
@@PredictableEnigma that's amazing, I didn't know that! Thank you for telling me. That certainly puts this in a new light and makes me enjoy it a little more!
@@sammyday9743 The story is that Woolie was saying how he really disliked Hunter x Hunter on the Super Best Friends Podcast years ago, and John was a fan of that podcast and was frustrated that Woolie didn't see the greatness of Hunter x Hunter, so he vented that frustration into making his first video "Why You Should Watch Hunter x Hunter" and the rest is history.
I have to say that I found F&H2 significantly less edgy and more *actually* mature then F&H, although F&H still has a lot of merits
Months later, this is still my favorite Versus Wolves episode. You can't get more iconic than this. Magfest origin story AND strip club betrayal AAAAND Woolie playing Funger like an insane person AAAAAAAAAAAND John's utter ruination at the hands of time management???? Where else can you get this, folks.
3:06:22 freeze frame
John's hope: "I can't Carry your burdens Mr. Eyepatchwolf... BUT I CAN CARRY YOU!" ~Woolwise Madgee
Woolie's mind: *john wayne throwing child into water*
The second he brought up RRR as a punishment, I immediately thought he’s gonna make him perform something from it. As soon as he said “a particular dance number” I screamed to myself “I know what you’re getting at”!!! This is going to be SO GOOD!!
honestly, the shocking-est part is that woolie said they'd do it *TOGETHER*
Genuinely one of the best podcasts I've ever had the pleasure of watching/listening to. Chemistry has always been good but now it's off the charts. Can't wait for the next one!
....this is exactly how i expected this podcast to go. because ive been watching both of your projects, both separate, and together, for years, and i, for one, am absolutely, not disappointed. fuck yes.
Honestly, fucking up after doing a lot and ending up not going to a tourney you really wanted to attend but ultimately didn't is also the true FGC experience.
I started out like "Can I really sit through a 3 1/2 hour podcast?", and now I'm just like "DAMMIT I can't wait for next month!" Subbed!
This is the best podcast ever holy shit! The rollercoaster of emotions I felt from the Gunbuster talk, to Fear and Hunger, Jonh's fgc failure, to the ending. Like i need to take a nap or some shit.
So from the video segments Woolie talks about Fear and Hunger for over an hour and John only talks about his challenge for 20 mins...
I can already tell John somehow messed up something
Woolie is making this podcast so much more than I could have ever dreamed for. Absolutely amazing work!
after the strip club story, I'm imagining john in the shinji chair pose lol
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I saw that a youtuber, Frapolla, made an unofficial patch for Funger.
It seems like since the game dev is dedicated entirely to working on Termina, they don't have time to go back and fix the Funger 1 issues. So the unofficial patch be basically required.
*frapollo and John already uses that mod for the streams after the new gods podcast
@@arnavkamble7144 Yeah, yeah... wish Woolie knew that though.
But hey, it IS the pure blind experience dealing with the bugs n stuff.
@@vj7248 Someone should tell Woolie about the dev tiles Miro left in
that street fighter figure is legit, its from the game streetfighter online: mouse generation which was a collab between capcom and revoltech. hufei is a cameo character in the game based on a chinese wuxia story "Fox Volant of the Snowy Mountain"
another fun fact, it was a pc game and attacks were done entirely with a mouse, using the bottons and scrollwheel. it was also f2p.