True lol, though that's also part of the appeal of HD2. Feeling like a nobody who's underpowered and overwhelmed while delivering democracy to unappreciative xenos.
@@Xiox321 saying what you just said just shows you got the game after the nerfs started falling, because it was not always like this. Guns use to do something, the most expensive stratagems used to actually do something
No paid DLC, only cosmetic? Well considering it’s Warhammer, I imagine that was no issue for them. They know we’ll buy all the cosmetics and ask for more. (this isn’t a bad thing, especially if the customization is very detailed)
They've showed the pre-order armor and macragges bundle. I think it all looks amazing. I'm completely new to Warhammer so if it's lore accurate I don't really know, but it looks cool as hell
@jw6337 "SEAF fought valiantly, but were unable to keep control of the newly built station. It is now your duty to recover any blueprints or parts from the enemy." Oh yeah for 55 medals that at least half the playerbase won't actually even get
Same, they can come back from the current games state but they gotta get it together and soon , I’m def playing this game tho, will share time between both
It’s not going to die. 1.) it earned entirely too much money to simply go away. 2.) helldivers 1 was still going 9 years after the fact. So while the player base might dwindle i don’t think it will ever die. Arrowhead have dug a hole though they keep robbing the game of fun.
@@5RWillI haven’t been keeping up with Helldivers (mostly clicked the video to see the space marine info), what’s has arrowhead been doing that’s been pissing people off? I keep seeing people saying they’ve been screwing stuff up, but nobody ever says what.
Helldivers 2 is a curse at this point. Any game in the future that is some what like it will be compared to it. Helldivers 2 will forever haunt gamers who played it because it was so damn fun. But the devs fumbled the ball so damn bad.
It's wild the game went from 1m concurrents to under 50k because they needed one gun the rail gun, and then another gun, and then another gun. You couldn't done that worse
A few things to note here... - Focus has history with the 40K franchise. - Focus is also NOT Sony, who has a pretty sketchy track record as a publisher. - Saber has a larger body of work behind them. - 40K itself has been in gaming for a long, LONG time. - AH partnered with Sony... huge mistake on their part. - AH is a smaller studio with not a lot of experience with AAA titles, but have released quality work in the past. - The HD2 release and subsequent bugfixes were bungled because the game was so overhyped that AH was totally unprepared. - Complicating matters, AH (being in Sweden) also became horribly understaffed over the last 3 months because of the summer season - Swedes takes summer holidays seriously. - Helldivers 2 is radically different in terms of gameplay from its predecessor, and a whole new mode of gameplay was designed. - AH has little experience delivering a huge live service game like HD2, and yeah, they stumbled - A LOT. - Am I an Arrowhead apologist? No. - Do I love Helldivers 2? Absolutely. - Will I be pre-ordering SM2 Ultra Edition next week? You bet your a$$. - Will I give up HD2? Not on your life, because I think both games are the same and different, and that's fine by me. As long as they are focused on PvE and have a decent loop, I'll be satisfied. Thanks for the balanced take, Easy... I don't agree with everything, but I think you were pretty fair in terms of your thoughts as a gamer. 👍
Helldivers 2 isn’t a triple A game. Unfortunately with great success comes a bunch of fucking babies yapping and crying nerfs and buffs. Just play the game when you come home from work and chill out
The game will likely never see more than 100k players at one time which is okay because that is a miracle number reserved for the biggest gaming titles in the world. I think once all this garbage can be sorted through and helldivers is in a better state balance wise it will have a daily peak of 30-40k players which is an extremely healthy amount.
Competition is good for the consumer in every way possible, the lack of drives companies to lethargy and stagnancy. Cod and valve are good examples, (I like both, but I'm not blind)
It's gonna be a three way competition in Oct. We also have starship troopers dropping in Oct 11th and they've also been doing good things for their game
The last game that saber made was a 4 person co-op 3rd person horde shooter that has all the modes mentioned added to it over the last few years, all the progression, the same. They did a fantastic job with that game if this one is that good on release I don’t think I’ll be picking up HD for a while.
Basically I've seen warhammer fans and tubers say that Space Marine 2 is essentially an upgraded Space Marine 1. In that case I'm already sold on it. I played TF outta SM1 so I'm guaranteed to have fun with this.
Bear in mind Space Marine comes with a full campaign with co-op, a separate PvE co-op mode and PvP multiplayer. helldivers only has one of those things. Plus Space Marine 2 has also published a post launch road map detailing what content is still to come, whereas with helldivers we're basically waiting on AH announcing their warbonds when they feel like it and we just need to hope it's a good one
August is really the worst month that helldivers 2 ever had, the game is currently at it's worst with each day the game having less and less players who gave up on this game to play something else more fun and now it's biggest competition that is space marine 2 is coming in a few weeks to steal all remaining players of helldivers 2, their 60 days plan won't even be possible to be finished because the game will be dead already
The devs for hd2 are in the brace position for space marine 2 and I think space marine 2 deserves the title the game that killed helldivers or whatever
There is no question. Unless Space Marines 2 is dogshit on release, it will be better than current day Helldivers 2. Helldiver's 2 has killed its fanbases goodwill. It's killed its fanbases trust. And the replayability of Helldivers 2 had nothing to do with things like 'randomized maps' its entirely the experience of playing the game. Which Helldivers 2 gave up. If the gameplay here is good, it'll kill Helldivers 2 easily.
The only thing that can kill a game is their own devs. If they make HD2 good again of course I'll play, will they? By what they shown the last 6 months no i dont think they will, hope the space marine devs are good
There is already non-official gameplay with really good players using maxed out classes in the game preview that was issued to WH40K content creators on TH-cam. Look for LegacyGaming
they could start making Arrowhead (more like Arrow to the Head) nervous, by adding the autocannon and flamer to all game modes, and make it to where you can dual wield them. and not of that soft booming from weapons fire, give the autocannon the punch and thunderclap of a firing sound effect it had in the first Space Marine. oh, and controllable aircraft, since Pilestedt said they'll never add them.
I dont think sm2 will kill helldivers 2, it will likely drain away some of it's playerbase but i doubt it will fully kill the game. Sm2 and hd2 have their own separate dedicated fanbase
sry but i have to call this bullshitt... 05:30 waht you say there shows me that you have no idea or talking trash for waht reason? at lvl 25 you are not even close to have every wappon, suppport wappon, orbitals and all the other stuff you can buy and play a round with builds... and do i need to mention samples and waht you can buy for em? On lvl 25 you have maybe 20% of all the stuff ingame...
For me (and I believe I'm not the only one) Helldivers was always just a suplement before Space Marine 2 releases, until something REALLY big happens I'm not even touching HD2, there's no reason to
Fr I got hd2 to scratch a xeno purging itch,and it's been awhile but I haven't touched hd2 in awhile it's garbage,players kick you for no reason ,or i gotta kick them because they try ending my match early when i came to collect samples while they don't bother at all,then there players who never heard of team work or communication ,the randomly generated maps look the same to me and it gets boring after you unlock everything lol I'm done with shit divers
I think the nail in the coffin may have already been nerfing fire weapons immediately before a PAID FOR warbond specific to fire weapons, massive drop in player base after that
HD2 is unique in that it’s, its own killer. If it got tons of content and the updates the community wants, it wouldn’t matter how good space marine 2 is cause players will find time for both. With or without space marine 2, helldivers 2 is slowly dying more and more.
Not defending HD2. But we don't know yet, It is the trend nowdays for a company to hype a game, and deliver a dissapointing result. I'll personally wait for a month or 2 before deciding to buy the game. Also I don't think it replace HD2, from what I see, feels like a different game.
Got more then 300 games on steam I play everything . M not like the npc’s playing one or 2 games , Space marine I will be playing it and I will still be playing helldivers 2 .
I was like that too, but HD made me change my mind about waiting. I got HD in March and missed the malevelon creek fight, I missed experiencing the railgun before patch, I missed getting the cape. And that was just one month.
Space Marine 2 already has better gameplay, a better fanbase that has existed since the 80s, a campaign mode, and PVP. It’s kind’ve not even fair to compare the two or argue which one will outlast the other. All Space Marine 2 has to do is stick to their roadmap and it’ll be successful. Also Helldivers 2 is already dying so just by existing Space Marine 2 kind’ve has the advantage 😂. This is coming from somebody who was a diehard Helldiver fan as well until the recent update.
Space marines 2 is an incredibly mediocre game, no other way to say it. Helldivers 2 is a masterpiece that got corroded by some bad decisions but honestly at its core is still a better pve shooter. The devs just need to start listening to players
The main problem rn is that Helldivers can't really add anything new to the game without causing a ton of more issues. Sure, Illuminate would be cool, and so would be vehicles, weapon customization, etc., but thruth be told, the game in its current state is just a hot mess and any additional content will most likely result in more bugs... The grass is always greener on the other side. Some people just have had it with HD2's constant fuck-ups and SM2 just brings something new to the table that is somewhere in the same niche. Is SM2 better per se? Gotta see. But you just know that you don't have to deal with the existing isues of HD2 for a while, so plenty of people will make a switch. That being said, if Arrowhead screw up their 60 day update plan too, that may very well be the final straw for quite some while and I can't imagine player numbers recovering quickly with that much trust being lost...
I've played both, I've already got almost 80 hours into Space Marine 2. But I still think that Helldivers 2 has a lot more potential as a game, in my opinion they just need to find a way to retain players, because the game is great, but always doing the same thing gets boring.
I know almost nothing about warhammer, both this game and the franchise, but from what i understand its just another horde shooter except you play as an edgy Buzz Lightyear with comically big weapons against 1 bug enemy or other players (am i missing something?). I can understand it taking the spotlight away from HD2 for a time, die-hard 40k fans will do that, but I'm still not convinced that it's going to be the "Helldiver killer" game that people claim its going to be. HD2 has still been routinely getting spikes of up to 60,000 players throughout the past few weeks (from what I have seen) and while that's nothing compared to the game's peak, it still shows that 60,000 players are willing to continue playing even with all the current flaws. Only time will tell if Arrowhead's "60 day plan" will work. Until then, all anyone can do is speculate
steam charts stating its around the 20,000 player level. However both games can exist in the same eco system but no doubt some divers will stay with SM2 due to management of HD2(arrowhead)
This was a really good an honest review, I felt like everything I would have said about Helldivers and Space Marine was mentioned and suggested. I'm a day one Helldiver fan, my first drop was on Malevelon Creek. I was there for pretty much all of the big main battles of Helldivers as well like Hellmire, Creek, Merida, the counter attacks behind automaton lines, Gacrux, etc... My point is that I feel that Helldivers has changed and not for the better. When the game first started, I was screaming "SWEET LIBERTY!!!" at the top of my lungs so loud that my family could hear it in another room. I thought to myself, "Finally the death of AAA titles, and the revitalization of the gaming world." I thought we were being heard and that Helldivers had finally stuck it to greedy money hungry developers behind games like COD, Battlefield, Halo, and the countless other cash grabs that gaming has sadly become. But, when Helldivers nerfs came into play, I really can't say im a fan of being given totally cool weapons, and then having them ripped from the entire community just when you have your favorite loadout. These are the guns they have nerfed just that I alone used, The quasar, Breaker Shotgun, The Scythe, Autocannon, Incendiary Breaker shotty, The Spear, My beautiful flamethrower, and last but not least, The Railgun. All of these weapons were fun, balanced, and made the game great, but now they are difficult to use, some are completely unusable, and others aren't even worth the time of day. So, thankyou Easy for saying just about everything I, and countless other divers are saying about this. I've just got into Warhammer, and starting to look into it, I'm not sure if I'm going to get Space Marine 2 or not right now, mostly because I have SIROUS moral issues with Chaos, and I don't want Titus (the main character) to join them. In the last game he was exposed to raw Warp energy, so by now he should've turned and fell to the corruption by Chaos, unless he's just built different, I guess. Anyways thanks for the amazing review and feedback, I'm probably going to wait and just see, but I'm very excited about Space Marine 2 as well. 🙂
I am not a Helldivers player, but I really like the missions and map design of Helldivers because it feels like a true star-level war. This is different from Space Marine 2, where the maps feel more like small-scale investigations at the village or sub-district level. It doesn't feel like a star-level war at all. I really hope the developers will create real star-level maps.
If they release the 3rd faction strictly to rake in players, chances are high that it will also come with a fresh batch of new bugs (something the community has already reached fatigue on)
I miss crouching and airsupport and gigantic explosions at the horizon and getting tossed through the air contantly. If Space Marine 2 doesn't have that, it is not like helldivers.
I think that y’all forget that Helldivers is a team of 100 people working with an outdated engine, they had little recognition before Helldivers 2 and they still made a better game than modern activision
Half the time it's more just annoying than anything. It absolutely loves to create huge uncrossable lakes or canyon walls right through the entire middle of the map, and then spread the objectives around in such a way that you have to go from the absolute top, to the absolute bottom of the play area at least 3 or 4 times in a single game.
A couple months ago, I left the game behind to work on my backlog of games. I had Space Marine 2 as a sort of deadline I gave HD2, to get better. Not only have things not improved since I left, but things have actually gotten worse, as AH comtinue to go against what the playerbase wants. I've never seen a developer cultivate so much community goodwill and then proceed to burn it all.
You know, at first I thought that maybe the nerfs and whatnot was some sort of meta "we the devs are roleplaying as the corrupt Super Earth government" and purposefully giving us the cheapest weaponry imaginable because Helldivers are so expendable type scenario. But after 400 hours, and botched patch after patch after patch, I can only come to the conclusion that they have absolutely no fucking idea what they're doing.
@@ADMICKEY yeah, but Space Marines is not even remotely the same type of game, so they're not comparable. The same way Wukong is not comparable to Helldivers
@@ironmaiden93ofangmar Their both horde shooters brother. There may be key differences but a meat lovers pizza and a veggie pizza are both still pizzas. Some will prefer one or the other
@@ironmaiden93ofangmar yes but the main idea is still the same, the difference is in the preference you choose. I love Meat lovers, but if I keep ordering it with worse and worse conditions, you'd bet I'd start choosing a different flavor.
Bascially all Focus have to do is not nerf ANYTHING within the first 4 months (and then consider it something is OP for PVP ONLY!) and they are golden. Thats literally all they have to not do.
I preordered Some things i noticed (without spoilers) There were one or two cutscenes that froze for a few seconds, but nothing major, melee is a dream to slice through everything, parrying times are forgiving but sometimes stick if youre inputting too many commands in at once Ie, moving, attacking at the same time Etc Gunplay is great, sound design for the guns are AWESOME Recommend playing through the campaign before hopping into pve or pvp to learn the game first, as even the easiest difficulty for pve will stomp you if you dont know how to play the game Havent touched pvp yet so no words there Armor looks great, some good amount of customization, hopefully they go a bit further into other chapters in the future, which according to the roadmap, they will In conclusion Im glad i preordered, ive already enjoyed the shi out of it, if you go into it as someone getting into warhammer or already a fan, youll love it, but if you go into it with the mindset of "This is a better helldivers" Youll set yourself up for dissapointment I say that because the only similarity is the fact they are horde shooters with aliens. Otherwise, theyre not comparable, especially with SM2's emphasis on melee. But as always, read reviews and wait until it comes out, dont listen to some stranger on the internet like me :) OH also The game is EXTREMELY photogenic, especially campaign, omg some of the pictures i took look wonderful Anyways Im done I swear
This game is important because it brings about the energy of the old xbox 360 and ps3 days. A game comes out with a full campagin, full multiplayer mode serpreated into pvp and pve content and the cosmetics are earnable ingame just by playing it without the grind.
Yup that's what killed it for me too. Once I heard it had PvP, I was out. That means the developers will be wasting precious dev time that should fully be devoted and spent on PvE into a useless game mode, and everyone knows PvP is P2W anyway, the person who pays the most for the ISP wins.
If this goes well and wont have any drama like being region locked like HD2, I'm sure this will be a great game, I'm already excited from the gameplay alone, it looks like a fun game that many people can enjoy all around the world.
I think Helldivers 2 might have a good chance to make a comeback. They have a huge opportunity to bring in a lot of new and old players when they release the Illuminate faction. Hopefully AH has gotten out of their "nerf all the fun weapons" phase by then.
A lot of Helldivers played it because it takes a lot of inspiration from Warhammer: 40,000. For fuck’s sake! The premier bug faction are called “Terminids.” It’s just a play on of “Tyranids.” Another element is that Helldivers 2 doesn’t promise a power fantasy, despite the players wanting one. The Astartes are a male power fantasy on par with DOOM. In short, Helldivers II was “40K at home” and now we’re getting an actual 40K game that delivers on the fantasy of cleaving through hordes of enemies and feeling unstoppable, in contrast to Helldivers II’s satirical take where you’re just barely surviving despite all the hype you get. At least, that is my perspective. I was a big 40K nerd when Helldivers II released and I saw all the references in the designs of the bots, bugs, and even some elements of the Helldivers themselves. Basically, it was inevitable that the part of the community that were 40K fans were always going to leave for Space Marine II.
I gave up on helldivers after like 100 hours , yes the procedural generation makes everything “new” but there templates are so lack luster , you see a couple buildings and events , you have seen them all
I would love that AH will look at space marine and see why people love the game (the gunplay, customisation etc) and implement those into their game. Space marine wont kill helldiver but would be a competitor to force AH not to fk up as in nerf the players. Well we will see when space marine come out
I got to play a demo of SM2. It's alright. I bet the story will be infinitely better than HD2 but the gameplay seems pretty on par. Replace Strategems with Doom Glorykills and boom, you got 40k.
The only actual similarity of those two games are the fact that we are humans in the army fighting aliens. Thats it. The core concept isn’t even the same
At 3:30 I disagree HellDivers to does have a campaign its the war map and major orders its what progresses the story and gives value to what the players are doing and HellDivers kinda have PVP in a way but not the PVP you may think of in a traditional sense.
I know for a fact Helldivers will lose some players to Space Marine 2. Can't blame them, Space Marine looks brilliant. But I would like Space Marine to be that game that reaches out and gives Helldivers a lift. Space Marine: "Alright kid, you had a very good start and I see potential in you, but you look like you need help. Get up and follow me! We'll make a warrior out of you yet" You have to remember, Arrowhead has barely over 100 devs. Sabre Interactive has 3,500. Direct or indirect competition just isn't possible.
I think once SM2 is out for some months players will be less focused on it anymore. AW then has had plenty time to fix their mistakes and look forward to actually bringing new content again, with of course illuminate eventually on the horizon. Of course some players won’t return to HD2 anymore, but I personally don’t think it will be that drastic as you are portraying here in the video. I think eventually people will wonder what has become of HD2 after playing SM2 for a while. If and only if AW has done everything correctly, they will maintain a solid playerbase. I will keep HD2 installed and will probably after the hype of SM2 switch between the two back and forth. Both games are awesome.
There might be more replayability to the coop operations than you made it seem like (perhaps you simply hadnt read the interview yet at the time of making this video) - but the AI director will adjust missions as you play them. Or so they said at least. So when you drop into that Tyranids-invading-a-shrineworld mission, you might suddenly get an unexpected visit from Chaos Marines, or have different nids appear. A nice way to make a linear map still play out differently when you replay it
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In HD2 you have to rely on your stratagems to fight. In SM2 you are the stratagem that fights.
True lol, though that's also part of the appeal of HD2. Feeling like a nobody who's underpowered and overwhelmed while delivering democracy to unappreciative xenos.
@@Xiox321I mean you are just a soldier right off the training grounds given a bunch of explosive toys before you die a gruesome death haha
@@Xiox321except that isn’t what most of the fans want which is the problem, fans wanted a power fantasy not a nerf fest
@Notfakeultra
It's always been like that though. That's why it has fans in the first place.
@@Xiox321 saying what you just said just shows you got the game after the nerfs started falling, because it was not always like this. Guns use to do something, the most expensive stratagems used to actually do something
No paid DLC, only cosmetic?
Well considering it’s Warhammer, I imagine that was no issue for them. They know we’ll buy all the cosmetics and ask for more.
(this isn’t a bad thing, especially if the customization is very detailed)
They've showed the pre-order armor and macragges bundle. I think it all looks amazing. I'm completely new to Warhammer so if it's lore accurate I don't really know, but it looks cool as hell
Yeah the customisation is really good
@@pyerack yeaaaaa I fear for my wallet… unlikely but I hope we can somehow get first born armor. I just love that aesthetic.
May the God-Emperor have mercy on my wallet, if the devs give us a fully detailed Salamander skin.
@EscBackspace pretty sure I saw a deathwatch marine with a first born helmet in the pre release stuff
Helldiver's needs to do something with the BattleStation plans we recovered awhile ago.
Probably some story beat/performance bonus thatll last for 3-4 days before the automaton destroy it
@jw6337 "SEAF fought valiantly, but were unable to keep control of the newly built station. It is now your duty to recover any blueprints or parts from the enemy."
Oh yeah for 55 medals that at least half the playerbase won't actually even get
At this rate the illuminates will return only to fight 3 Helldivers.
John, James, and Jane Helldiver 😂
The devs were the illuminate all along!!! 😮
@@apj501styes I will be there
and ill be one of them
@@jamesThebulbmin yoooo
I really hope this makes Arrowhead hurry up and fix the game. I love Helldivers 2, and it would make me sad if it died.
They have a week there out of time sadly for
Now anyway spaces marine time give arrowhead time to sort there shite out
Same, they can come back from the current games state but they gotta get it together and soon , I’m def playing this game tho, will share time between both
Fr, i want them both to conpete against eachother
It’s not going to die. 1.) it earned entirely too much money to simply go away. 2.) helldivers 1 was still going 9 years after the fact. So while the player base might dwindle i don’t think it will ever die. Arrowhead have dug a hole though they keep robbing the game of fun.
@@5RWillI haven’t been keeping up with Helldivers (mostly clicked the video to see the space marine info), what’s has arrowhead been doing that’s been pissing people off?
I keep seeing people saying they’ve been screwing stuff up, but nobody ever says what.
Helldivers had the break of a life time that some devs work there lives to achieve and never make it and arrowhead through it all away for some nerfs
Helldivers 2 is a curse at this point. Any game in the future that is some what like it will be compared to it. Helldivers 2 will forever haunt gamers who played it because it was so damn fun. But the devs fumbled the ball so damn bad.
Because 2 guns were nerfed lol@@nvender9062
It's wild the game went from 1m concurrents to under 50k because they needed one gun the rail gun, and then another gun, and then another gun. You couldn't done that worse
Every pve game has balancing
A few things to note here...
- Focus has history with the 40K franchise.
- Focus is also NOT Sony, who has a pretty sketchy track record as a publisher.
- Saber has a larger body of work behind them.
- 40K itself has been in gaming for a long, LONG time.
- AH partnered with Sony... huge mistake on their part.
- AH is a smaller studio with not a lot of experience with AAA titles, but have released quality work in the past.
- The HD2 release and subsequent bugfixes were bungled because the game was so overhyped that AH was totally unprepared.
- Complicating matters, AH (being in Sweden) also became horribly understaffed over the last 3 months because of the summer season - Swedes takes summer holidays seriously.
- Helldivers 2 is radically different in terms of gameplay from its predecessor, and a whole new mode of gameplay was designed.
- AH has little experience delivering a huge live service game like HD2, and yeah, they stumbled - A LOT.
- Am I an Arrowhead apologist? No.
- Do I love Helldivers 2? Absolutely.
- Will I be pre-ordering SM2 Ultra Edition next week? You bet your a$$.
- Will I give up HD2? Not on your life, because I think both games are the same and different, and that's fine by me. As long as they are focused on PvE and have a decent loop, I'll be satisfied.
Thanks for the balanced take, Easy... I don't agree with everything, but I think you were pretty fair in terms of your thoughts as a gamer. 👍
man, sony was the reason the game was good.
My brother in cthulu, Sony isnt why they lost 80% of their playerbase before the account ban.
AH also nerfs fan favorite weapons and then intentionally baits and trolls the fanbase when they get upset about it.
Dude the devs openly insulted their playerbase and then went even further with the whole furry stuff on their discord
Helldivers 2 isn’t a triple A game. Unfortunately with great success comes a bunch of fucking babies yapping and crying nerfs and buffs. Just play the game when you come home from work and chill out
Helldivers 2 needs to do something. The player count is already dwindling, due to their constant nerfing. I'm worried it may never come back😢🎉🎉🎉
50k is bad? That was thier prediction for release.
The game will likely never see more than 100k players at one time which is okay because that is a miracle number reserved for the biggest gaming titles in the world. I think once all this garbage can be sorted through and helldivers is in a better state balance wise it will have a daily peak of 30-40k players which is an extremely healthy amount.
@@ZachCremisiSkyThey had so much more, lost because of their incompetence and Sony’s meddling.
@@ZachCremisiSkyit goes from 20-60k and people are simply worried about the sharp curve downwards immediately after the major “updates”
@@jamesonwex5958 considering that they sold 12 million copies, 30-40k is fucking pathetic
Lmao helldivers and space marine are going to be fundamentally different. Space marine isnt killing helldivers. Helldivers is killing itself
Cope and seethe..
I think this very similar to the comparison between Overwatch 2 & Marvel Rivals
This aged well 😂😂😂
either way competition is good, maybe arrowhead will put in more effort, and if they dont then we got a sweet new game to play, win win
Competition is good for the consumer in every way possible, the lack of drives companies to lethargy and stagnancy. Cod and valve are good examples, (I like both, but I'm not blind)
It's gonna be a three way competition in Oct. We also have starship troopers dropping in Oct 11th and they've also been doing good things for their game
@@gavrock3775 just saw that film for the first time last week, loved it
Gameplay is not my cup of tea, but anything to humble HD2 devs will be great.
Wise words my brother
💯🎯
god you're so toxic
Why tho, HD2 is a good game considering the presence of the franchise was literally thinner than air before it happened, the devs did a good job
@@nateg3417
bro how 💀
The last game that saber made was a 4 person co-op 3rd person horde shooter that has all the modes mentioned added to it over the last few years, all the progression, the same. They did a fantastic job with that game if this one is that good on release I don’t think I’ll be picking up HD for a while.
Basically I've seen warhammer fans and tubers say that Space Marine 2 is essentially an upgraded Space Marine 1. In that case I'm already sold on it. I played TF outta SM1 so I'm guaranteed to have fun with this.
im gonna be honest, i love helldivers, but that boss fight looked so sick...
SM2 looks so cool and it's sad to think that Helldivers 2 is not going well, probably will lost more player when SM2 will come out
Good
Helldivers is the best ad campaign space marine could dream of
To be fair helldivers 2 game price is 40$ and space marines is 70$ so there's also that
I’d rather pay more for a quality experience than a cheaper one chock full of bugs and a developer that has contempt for its players.
@@Spectacular_Insanity the other thing is, i don´t care about helldivers, but i like 40k
Bear in mind Space Marine comes with a full campaign with co-op, a separate PvE co-op mode and PvP multiplayer. helldivers only has one of those things. Plus Space Marine 2 has also published a post launch road map detailing what content is still to come, whereas with helldivers we're basically waiting on AH announcing their warbonds when they feel like it and we just need to hope it's a good one
August is really the worst month that helldivers 2 ever had, the game is currently at it's worst with each day the game having less and less players who gave up on this game to play something else more fun and now it's biggest competition that is space marine 2 is coming in a few weeks to steal all remaining players of helldivers 2, their 60 days plan won't even be possible to be finished because the game will be dead already
The devs for hd2 are in the brace position for space marine 2 and I think space marine 2 deserves the title the game that killed helldivers or whatever
@@The_one28 Can't kill what was already dead, they were just there to put the last dirts on HD2 grave
@@liveira5400 space marine would just finish it off tho cuz hd2 is not dead but it’s close
All it's going to take for you to abandon Space Marine 2 is for there to be a woman in a position of power.
Get bent losers.
A few weeks? It’s coming out on September 5th
Me after seeing a parry feature and a flamethrower: *Slamming table with credit card*
There is no question. Unless Space Marines 2 is dogshit on release, it will be better than current day Helldivers 2.
Helldiver's 2 has killed its fanbases goodwill. It's killed its fanbases trust. And the replayability of Helldivers 2 had nothing to do with things like 'randomized maps' its entirely the experience of playing the game. Which Helldivers 2 gave up. If the gameplay here is good, it'll kill Helldivers 2 easily.
"They're doing everything right!"
My brother in Christ the game isn't even out yet.
Helldivers 2 :
He does exactly what I do!
Space marine 2:
But better
I saw some game play on insta, they really haven't
Not even that similar for gameplay and what they're trying to do. SM2 will live and die on its pvp like the first one
No it should be "but I listen"
@roar104 in today's gaming atmosphere, PvP will be one played as much as the PvE. So A TON.
@roar104 in today's gaming atmosphere, PvP will be one played as much as the PvE. So A TON.
The only thing that can kill a game is their own devs. If they make HD2 good again of course I'll play, will they? By what they shown the last 6 months no i dont think they will, hope the space marine devs are good
This looks cool but I want to see some reviews first
There is already non-official gameplay with really good players using maxed out classes in the game preview that was issued to WH40K content creators on TH-cam. Look for LegacyGaming
i guess it will be at least 80 on metacritic
The game has a lot of flaws you shouldn't glaze it no mattre what
they could start making Arrowhead (more like Arrow to the Head) nervous, by adding the autocannon and flamer to all game modes, and make it to where you can dual wield them.
and not of that soft booming from weapons fire, give the autocannon the punch and thunderclap of a firing sound effect it had in the first Space Marine.
oh, and controllable aircraft, since Pilestedt said they'll never add them.
This guy really repeats himself and talks in circles
Gears E Day gotta pay attention to this.
The Virgin Super Eath vs the Chad Imperium of Man.
I dont think sm2 will kill helldivers 2, it will likely drain away some of it's playerbase but i doubt it will fully kill the game. Sm2 and hd2 have their own separate dedicated fanbase
sry but i have to call this bullshitt... 05:30 waht you say there shows me that you have no idea or talking trash for waht reason? at lvl 25 you are not even close to have every wappon, suppport wappon, orbitals and all the other stuff you can buy and play a round with builds... and do i need to mention samples and waht you can buy for em? On lvl 25 you have maybe 20% of all the stuff ingame...
For me (and I believe I'm not the only one) Helldivers was always just a suplement before Space Marine 2 releases, until something REALLY big happens I'm not even touching HD2, there's no reason to
Fr I got hd2 to scratch a xeno purging itch,and it's been awhile but I haven't touched hd2 in awhile it's garbage,players kick you for no reason ,or i gotta kick them because they try ending my match early when i came to collect samples while they don't bother at all,then there players who never heard of team work or communication ,the randomly generated maps look the same to me and it gets boring after you unlock everything lol I'm done with shit divers
space marine 2 a helldivers killer? Helldivers killed itself on their own and that comes from a Veteran Diver
If they did a cosmetic collab that made a space merine look like a helldiver, that would be dope.
Players already made those
@@chronodis I'm not talking about color swaping.
It should but it doesn’t. For liberty and managed democracy.
I think the nail in the coffin may have already been nerfing fire weapons immediately before a PAID FOR warbond specific to fire weapons, massive drop in player base after that
HD2 is unique in that it’s, its own killer. If it got tons of content and the updates the community wants, it wouldn’t matter how good space marine 2 is cause players will find time for both. With or without space marine 2, helldivers 2 is slowly dying more and more.
Already playing and must say its phenomenal
They learned for Arrowhead’s faulures
Bro has no idea how long does a game like this take to make
@@TruthKeepersOfficialHD2 I’m talking about how they shared a roadmap and arrowhead didn’t
@@AceTankerHD2 ah, apologies
definitely. I think their PR team also made sure to capitalize on the void that the HD2 community is looking for
Not defending HD2.
But we don't know yet,
It is the trend nowdays for a company to hype a game, and deliver a dissapointing result.
I'll personally wait for a month or 2 before deciding to buy the game.
Also I don't think it replace HD2, from what I see, feels like a different game.
Agreed
Got more then 300 games on steam I play everything . M not like the npc’s playing one or 2 games ,
Space marine I will be playing it and I will still be playing helldivers 2 .
I was like that too, but HD made me change my mind about waiting. I got HD in March and missed the malevelon creek fight, I missed experiencing the railgun before patch, I missed getting the cape. And that was just one month.
Am an Ultramarine, had to preorder to get my extra chapter themed gear. Did get a discount on the game though, so that's a bonus.
Space Marine 2 already has better gameplay, a better fanbase that has existed since the 80s, a campaign mode, and PVP. It’s kind’ve not even fair to compare the two or argue which one will outlast the other. All Space Marine 2 has to do is stick to their roadmap and it’ll be successful. Also Helldivers 2 is already dying so just by existing Space Marine 2 kind’ve has the advantage 😂. This is coming from somebody who was a diehard Helldiver fan as well until the recent update.
Space marines 2 is an incredibly mediocre game, no other way to say it. Helldivers 2 is a masterpiece that got corroded by some bad decisions but honestly at its core is still a better pve shooter. The devs just need to start listening to players
@@hampter8992What makes it mediocre
Sm2 players on day one were just as bad as hd2 players, i hate both
I absolutely love world war z so i have a lot of confidence this will be good.
It’s like wwz and 40k banged
The main problem rn is that Helldivers can't really add anything new to the game without causing a ton of more issues.
Sure, Illuminate would be cool, and so would be vehicles, weapon customization, etc., but thruth be told, the game in its current state is just a hot mess and any additional content will most likely result in more bugs...
The grass is always greener on the other side. Some people just have had it with HD2's constant fuck-ups and SM2 just brings something new to the table that is somewhere in the same niche.
Is SM2 better per se? Gotta see. But you just know that you don't have to deal with the existing isues of HD2 for a while, so plenty of people will make a switch.
That being said, if Arrowhead screw up their 60 day update plan too, that may very well be the final straw for quite some while and I can't imagine player numbers recovering quickly with that much trust being lost...
I've played both, I've already got almost 80 hours into Space Marine 2. But I still think that Helldivers 2 has a lot more potential as a game, in my opinion they just need to find a way to retain players, because the game is great, but always doing the same thing gets boring.
I know almost nothing about warhammer, both this game and the franchise, but from what i understand its just another horde shooter except you play as an edgy Buzz Lightyear with comically big weapons against 1 bug enemy or other players (am i missing something?). I can understand it taking the spotlight away from HD2 for a time, die-hard 40k fans will do that, but I'm still not convinced that it's going to be the "Helldiver killer" game that people claim its going to be. HD2 has still been routinely getting spikes of up to 60,000 players throughout the past few weeks (from what I have seen) and while that's nothing compared to the game's peak, it still shows that 60,000 players are willing to continue playing even with all the current flaws. Only time will tell if Arrowhead's "60 day plan" will work. Until then, all anyone can do is speculate
steam charts stating its around the 20,000 player level. However both games can exist in the same eco system but no doubt some divers will stay with SM2 due to management of HD2(arrowhead)
To me there will always be a market for both games. The only problem is will helldivers get their shit together
I honestly space marine2 is more similar to fireteam elite
We have no idea I’d the game is going to be good or the usual 2024 unfinished mess
We'll see how that goes. And remember: No Pre-Orders.
Don't forget about the horde mode that is coming for this game. That could also have a big impact, especially if they're going to have perks and stuff
This was a really good an honest review, I felt like everything I would have said about Helldivers and Space Marine was mentioned and suggested. I'm a day one Helldiver fan, my first drop was on Malevelon Creek. I was there for pretty much all of the big main battles of Helldivers as well like Hellmire, Creek, Merida, the counter attacks behind automaton lines, Gacrux, etc... My point is that I feel that Helldivers has changed and not for the better. When the game first started, I was screaming "SWEET LIBERTY!!!" at the top of my lungs so loud that my family could hear it in another room. I thought to myself, "Finally the death of AAA titles, and the revitalization of the gaming world." I thought we were being heard and that Helldivers had finally stuck it to greedy money hungry developers behind games like COD, Battlefield, Halo, and the countless other cash grabs that gaming has sadly become. But, when Helldivers nerfs came into play, I really can't say im a fan of being given totally cool weapons, and then having them ripped from the entire community just when you have your favorite loadout. These are the guns they have nerfed just that I alone used, The quasar, Breaker Shotgun, The Scythe, Autocannon, Incendiary Breaker shotty, The Spear, My beautiful flamethrower, and last but not least, The Railgun. All of these weapons were fun, balanced, and made the game great, but now they are difficult to use, some are completely unusable, and others aren't even worth the time of day. So, thankyou Easy for saying just about everything I, and countless other divers are saying about this. I've just got into Warhammer, and starting to look into it, I'm not sure if I'm going to get Space Marine 2 or not right now, mostly because I have SIROUS moral issues with Chaos, and I don't want Titus (the main character) to join them. In the last game he was exposed to raw Warp energy, so by now he should've turned and fell to the corruption by Chaos, unless he's just built different, I guess. Anyways thanks for the amazing review and feedback, I'm probably going to wait and just see, but I'm very excited about Space Marine 2 as well. 🙂
Skyrim here i come...
Back to my single player cave of peace and bliss, first online game i invested in is cooked.
Lol Just installed my Skyrim back today bro try Lorerim ! Mod pack is huge!
Space Marines 2 vs Crashdivers 2
" A brand new game mode called horde" you mean that thing that every developer was asked to add to their games for like a 10 year period?
Seeing how Helldivers was amazing at launch and then started to waffle, we're probably in the same boat here.
Man the Roadmap is excellent!
Friendship with Helldivers 2 over, Space Marine 2 is now my best friend.
I'm playing both. There, problem solved.
I am not a Helldivers player, but I really like the missions and map design of Helldivers because it feels like a true star-level war. This is different from Space Marine 2, where the maps feel more like small-scale investigations at the village or sub-district level. It doesn't feel like a star-level war at all. I really hope the developers will create real star-level maps.
Man, helldivers is just open empty space for maps
If they release the 3rd faction strictly to rake in players, chances are high that it will also come with a fresh batch of new bugs (something the community has already reached fatigue on)
I miss crouching and airsupport and gigantic explosions at the horizon and getting tossed through the air contantly. If Space Marine 2 doesn't have that, it is not like helldivers.
HD2 is already dead
I think that y’all forget that Helldivers is a team of 100 people working with an outdated engine, they had little recognition before Helldivers 2 and they still made a better game than modern activision
Made a better game, and then killed it themselves
If arrowhead release the two leaked vehicles, space marine 2 can wait.
Helldivers needs to fix everything they messed up before adding more stuff to the game
i hope they add customizable banners so i can play as an angry marine
0:18 same
Tbf the procedural generation from Helldivers 2 is like a Big Mac with or without pickles I don’t even notice it
Half the time it's more just annoying than anything. It absolutely loves to create huge uncrossable lakes or canyon walls right through the entire middle of the map, and then spread the objectives around in such a way that you have to go from the absolute top, to the absolute bottom of the play area at least 3 or 4 times in a single game.
The problem with HD2's player base drops isn't due to the nerfs. It's due to the region blocking that was never deleted
Why not both? Region blocking cuts off many potential players. The nerfs slowly kills the remaining players.
Both
A couple months ago, I left the game behind to work on my backlog of games. I had Space Marine 2 as a sort of deadline I gave HD2, to get better.
Not only have things not improved since I left, but things have actually gotten worse, as AH comtinue to go against what the playerbase wants. I've never seen a developer cultivate so much community goodwill and then proceed to burn it all.
You know, at first I thought that maybe the nerfs and whatnot was some sort of meta "we the devs are roleplaying as the corrupt Super Earth government" and purposefully giving us the cheapest weaponry imaginable because Helldivers are so expendable type scenario. But after 400 hours, and botched patch after patch after patch, I can only come to the conclusion that they have absolutely no fucking idea what they're doing.
so what just because two good games come out on the same year means they are threatening eachother?
Helldiver's hasn't been doing great recently
@@ADMICKEY yeah, but Space Marines is not even remotely the same type of game, so they're not comparable. The same way Wukong is not comparable to Helldivers
@@ironmaiden93ofangmar Their both horde shooters brother. There may be key differences but a meat lovers pizza and a veggie pizza are both still pizzas. Some will prefer one or the other
@@tim57564 and a meat lover pizza is meant to taste different than a veggies pizza
@@ironmaiden93ofangmar yes but the main idea is still the same, the difference is in the preference you choose. I love Meat lovers, but if I keep ordering it with worse and worse conditions, you'd bet I'd start choosing a different flavor.
Ive never been into the warhammer 40k series because tabletob games were never really my thing, would this game be a good way to start?
Kinda i would suggest brickys explaining every warhammer 40k faction
A bigger game doesnt take away from the potential hd2 has.
Good things come to those who wait.
And while i wait i would love to be a space marine.
Had. Helldivers had potential. And the devs fucked it
Bascially all Focus have to do is not nerf ANYTHING within the first 4 months (and then consider it something is OP for PVP ONLY!) and they are golden. Thats literally all they have to not do.
Anything to humble the HD2 is great but it just won’t meet the same kind of gameplay
I preordered
Some things i noticed (without spoilers)
There were one or two cutscenes that froze for a few seconds, but nothing major, melee is a dream to slice through everything, parrying times are forgiving but sometimes stick if youre inputting too many commands in at once
Ie, moving, attacking at the same time
Etc
Gunplay is great, sound design for the guns are AWESOME
Recommend playing through the campaign before hopping into pve or pvp to learn the game first, as even the easiest difficulty for pve will stomp you if you dont know how to play the game
Havent touched pvp yet so no words there
Armor looks great, some good amount of customization, hopefully they go a bit further into other chapters in the future, which according to the roadmap, they will
In conclusion
Im glad i preordered, ive already enjoyed the shi out of it, if you go into it as someone getting into warhammer or already a fan, youll love it, but if you go into it with the mindset of
"This is a better helldivers"
Youll set yourself up for dissapointment
I say that because the only similarity is the fact they are horde shooters with aliens. Otherwise, theyre not comparable, especially with SM2's emphasis on melee.
But as always, read reviews and wait until it comes out, dont listen to some stranger on the internet like me :)
OH also
The game is EXTREMELY photogenic, especially campaign, omg some of the pictures i took look wonderful
Anyways
Im done
I swear
More competition is always better. Helldivers 2 has been my main multiplayer since launch BUT Space Marine 2 is my most hyped game in YEARS
This game is important because it brings about the energy of the old xbox 360 and ps3 days. A game comes out with a full campagin, full multiplayer mode serpreated into pvp and pve content and the cosmetics are earnable ingame just by playing it without the grind.
When all that is said Hell divers 2 is half the price which has a lot going for it.
I damn hope they are doing everything right, damn dude I want to have fun again
The only problem is that it comes only with 6 maps pve.Hopefully they will add more in the upcoming months.
i personally love helldivers 2 despite how much is wrong with it but what happened to it is just sad.
SM2 has PvP, no thanks
Yup that's what killed it for me too. Once I heard it had PvP, I was out. That means the developers will be wasting precious dev time that should fully be devoted and spent on PvE into a useless game mode, and everyone knows PvP is P2W anyway, the person who pays the most for the ISP wins.
If this goes well and wont have any drama like being region locked like HD2, I'm sure this will be a great game, I'm already excited from the gameplay alone, it looks like a fun game that many people can enjoy all around the world.
Hd2 cant relate lol
@@nahfr. Fr
I think Helldivers 2 might have a good chance to make a comeback. They have a huge opportunity to bring in a lot of new and old players when they release the Illuminate faction. Hopefully AH has gotten out of their "nerf all the fun weapons" phase by then.
Didn’t the hd2 devs go on vacation recently or soon
A lot of Helldivers played it because it takes a lot of inspiration from Warhammer: 40,000. For fuck’s sake! The premier bug faction are called “Terminids.” It’s just a play on of “Tyranids.”
Another element is that Helldivers 2 doesn’t promise a power fantasy, despite the players wanting one. The Astartes are a male power fantasy on par with DOOM.
In short, Helldivers II was “40K at home” and now we’re getting an actual 40K game that delivers on the fantasy of cleaving through hordes of enemies and feeling unstoppable, in contrast to Helldivers II’s satirical take where you’re just barely surviving despite all the hype you get.
At least, that is my perspective. I was a big 40K nerd when Helldivers II released and I saw all the references in the designs of the bots, bugs, and even some elements of the Helldivers themselves. Basically, it was inevitable that the part of the community that were 40K fans were always going to leave for Space Marine II.
I am well past the days of pre-ordering games. SM2 looks great- but I’ll see what people say for the first week before I even think about buying it.
I gave up on helldivers after like 100 hours , yes the procedural generation makes everything “new” but there templates are so lack luster , you see a couple buildings and events , you have seen them all
Whats the difference exactly though? Sm2 is linear and hd2 isnt
I would love that AH will look at space marine and see why people love the game (the gunplay, customisation etc) and implement those into their game. Space marine wont kill helldiver but would be a competitor to force AH not to fk up as in nerf the players. Well we will see when space marine come out
I got to play a demo of SM2. It's alright.
I bet the story will be infinitely better than HD2 but the gameplay seems pretty on par.
Replace Strategems with Doom Glorykills and boom, you got 40k.
Space marine had glory kills before doom *cough *cough
The only actual similarity of those two games are the fact that we are humans in the army fighting aliens.
Thats it. The core concept isn’t even the same
constant crashes too. especially after you have been on a mission for 30+minutes
@@soonerbred22 yep HD2 8+ difficulty is always crashing
At 3:30 I disagree HellDivers to does have a campaign its the war map and major orders its what progresses the story and gives value to what the players are doing and HellDivers kinda have PVP in a way but not the PVP you may think of in a traditional sense.
I love Helldivers 2. It's the only game I've played since it came out. Though I plan on putting a lot of time into Space Marine 2.
I know for a fact Helldivers will lose some players to Space Marine 2. Can't blame them, Space Marine looks brilliant.
But I would like Space Marine to be that game that reaches out and gives Helldivers a lift.
Space Marine: "Alright kid, you had a very good start and I see potential in you, but you look like you need help. Get up and follow me! We'll make a warrior out of you yet"
You have to remember, Arrowhead has barely over 100 devs. Sabre Interactive has 3,500. Direct or indirect competition just isn't possible.
I think once SM2 is out for some months players will be less focused on it anymore. AW then has had plenty time to fix their mistakes and look forward to actually bringing new content again, with of course illuminate eventually on the horizon. Of course some players won’t return to HD2 anymore, but I personally don’t think it will be that drastic as you are portraying here in the video. I think eventually people will wonder what has become of HD2 after playing SM2 for a while. If and only if AW has done everything correctly, they will maintain a solid playerbase.
I will keep HD2 installed and will probably after the hype of SM2 switch between the two back and forth. Both games are awesome.
Best video I've seen so far and I totally agree only the illuminates can save Helldiver's
HD2 is still fun. I'll fight for super earth and for the emperor
There might be more replayability to the coop operations than you made it seem like (perhaps you simply hadnt read the interview yet at the time of making this video) - but the AI director will adjust missions as you play them. Or so they said at least. So when you drop into that Tyranids-invading-a-shrineworld mission, you might suddenly get an unexpected visit from Chaos Marines, or have different nids appear. A nice way to make a linear map still play out differently when you replay it