Skall is missing the point of Monster Hunter series as well as their weapons, you don't fight other people, you fight monsters, big monsters. What he presented would be ineffective against the monsters of MH.
@@whitewolf3051 He mentioned he was specifically looking at a scenario in a parallel earth where extremely heavy weapons are wieldable, not the MH world. So whether a weapon that transforms this way could work in combat with humans
@@Konpekikaminari my favorite is big bore air guns for this scenario. With replacement seals available and a easy way to fill you could potentially be a zombie nightmare especially hooked to a giant scuba tank of air hooked up! Lol 50 call seneca dragon claw or 30 call full auto hatson blits with 80 ft pounds pressure and lethal at 130 yards with a rate of fire of 1000 rounds per minute. Emptying a 18 round clip of death in a little less then a second. Fully legal machine gun. Shipped to your house. Legal for felons and crazy people.
Being an engineer myself, I have a few comments: - Since the cut-out merely serves as a guidance to the axe-head, one could replace it in several ways that do not compromise the strength of the blade. A fuller that does not go through would be one example. Another one would be just shaping the axe head so that it rests on the "extended bevel" without touching the actual edge would be another option. - This way, one could just have a single hole in the middle of the blade where the axe head sits and a spring-loaded pin on the axe head locking it in place. With a slight 'inverse taper' where the axe head should stop, one could even make the axe head fit tightly in axe mode, so it does not rattle.
The cut-out is necessary to fit the BaneNZ locking mechanism, as you push the button from the top to clear the sword from the bottom. With this mechanism in particular, we felt like we should present a very big and beefy lock to prevent it from shaking loose from impacts.
@@acethesupervillain348 I think the locking mechanism as shown is consistent. I just think that one could do without the cut-out with a spring-loaded pin instead and a single hole of the cut-out. This just has other pros and cons I guess.
i had the same idea! a springloaded pin/bolt or a turning-bolt mechanism with only one hole each at the top and the bottom of the blade for the pin to jump in. two fixating pins would be even better i think, it would reduce the stress on the slider/fuller, which otherwise could get damaged and tilted through impact to the point where it won't slide anymore. but the challenge then is how to get two pins to be pushed with a simple and fast hand motion.
I was thinking that myself. Use a regular blade. Use a screw like with a C clamp to hold the ax head in place. Put wood inserts on the ax head to protect the sword blade.
I'm curious how helpful following the in-game 3-part design might be. You could probably figure out the geometry such that the axe head sliding up and down would lever on the blade tip to pull it in and back, keeping the hinges all together. It'd allow for all the locking mechanisms to be nearer the hilt as well. Of course, I totally agree with you that you'd want channels or grooves rather than a full slot.
Wait until he starts up with more trick weapons. I haven't played or seen any Monster Hunter, but Bloodborne has quite a fair amount of ones open for discussion.
@@aaron_raney940 Absolutely, what person honestly wouldn't want them if they knew they existed? That needs to be a thing; hopefully capable of being wielded.
Axe mode wild swing is faster than sword mode rising slash follow by double slash combo. In axe mode you also have forward slash and side slash which is the fastest SA attack.
@@Skallagrim True but still it does completely throw the whole "more damage with sword mode" argument out the window as the Axe does do significantly more damage per hit unless you wild swing of course. The Reason sword mode is better is it hits faster and does more damage from charging, which there really is no real life counterpart to unless you imagine a dynamo charging up an electrical shock you can release at any time.
@@VanceHelw Wild swing is slower and has a high commit while you are comparing it to sword modes faster and lower commit attacks. The recovery time for the axe modes fastest attacks are also the highest recovery times. The only high commit Sword moves that do more damage total than axe moves, do 2 attacks per input, and still have less commit. Also not sure if World has the triple slash but those are 3 hits for the price of a double slash. You wont find this info in the wikis, you really need to check "arrekz gaming" weapon tutorials or similar stuff on youtube.
4:47, actually, The sword swings themselves ARE faster than the axe swings, but the actual movement isnt, I'd assume its to sort of emulate a stance where the user has to be more "grounded", so probably not an oversight
The way I always imagined why the movement is different is because the axe mode swings are wide and the hunter has to move for a good amount of the attacks, following through with the momentum of the swing. The hunter moves faster because they use the axe head's momentum after a swing to reposition themselves. As for the sword, there is less inertia at a point that's further away from the body, so it's hard to create momentum that can be used to move oneself. The hunter can swing faster but can't use their swings to reposition at all, aside from by moving their legs.
I feel that the reduced walk speed in sword mode is for balance reasons: a trade off for a faster attack speed that, thanks to the weapon's phial, ignores weapon sharpness and monster part toughness
@@sirenlover100 also reminder its a mix of the long swards reach and great swards power in the methoid of striking. and the GS has a slow walk but also from the looks a EXTREAMLY grounded stance in order to not lose the blade or crush your self with it.
See this is why I like Monster Hunter, it's not *realistic* but you can always kinda see where they are coming from. There is a consistent idea of how things work.
Yeah, it's sort of science adjacent. Wyvern fire (from a wyvern, not the shot or GL ability) is explained through examine texts of items as being a powder that combusts upon contact with the air. It's a completely unnecessary detail, but one that can add to the levels of research done in the world
@@nekowerewolf9769 I'm not even sure if there is a single fixed definition, but the way I use it is to say something isn't real world science, but acts like real world science and is treated like real world science in the world it exists in
@@needude7218 Or that Zinogre's aren't just magic, they have hollow spines on their body that house symbiotic fulgurbugs that generate electricity. Or that Brachydios uses a chemical in his saliva to activate this slimy mold that's found all over his body. That's the kind of logic I love in fictional worlds. Verisimilitude is what it's called, I believe.
What Skall is overlooking is that the Monster Hunter series as well as their weapons aren't used against people, but giant monsters. What he designed would never work against those monsters, not big enough for the job.
@@whitewolf3051 a good normally proportioned poleaxe, spear, or halberd would probably be the the best choice for a human to fight most of the monsters in monster hunter. Even a superhumanly strong individual of human size can't weild anything substantially heavier simple because they wouldn't have sufficient mass to avoid effectively throwing themselves.
@@lunarkomet lmao I also suffer from this fate. So many incredible single player games these days seems like everybody's chipping away at one of those instead of yelling at me in Chivalry :(
Love the starting skit, and meanwhile in Witcher school they're like "here's a longsword, go kill that cockatrice that would be big enough to just pick you up. Don't worry the blade is silvered"
@@pirig-gal I mean, with an amped up wielder, they could also amp up the weapon quite a bit to give it more reach, for example. Just imagine a Witcher with a spear or a pole axe.
@@l.o.b.2433 The problem is with fighting in a confined space, in caves or ruins (where monsters often dwell). Also, you can't have too over-the-top weapon, because the setting is Low Fantasy. I suppose they use a longsword because it offers the best flexibility.
@@l.o.b.2433 Witchers are supposed to be able to be athletic and maneuverable in every combat scenario and also able to defend against multiple enemies with the use of bombs, so really a spear is a poor weapon choice against a mob of enemies, and a poleaxe or spear would also be hard to maneuver in a lot of scenarios.
@@pirig-gal A longsword is similarly useless in confined spaces though. And with a spear, you can still stab quite easily in a cave. You don't have to swing it around.
Those 3D designs would work perfectly in a fantasy setting where you have a special material like mithril to construct them out of. I'm getting some RPG ideas
That sliding mechanism is overcomplicated for steel, looks like designer is used to plastic. A wedge in the exe head getting pushed through and locked on the other side with a smaller wedge would be simpler and stronger, no spring loading, just a few solid pieces gripped by your gauntlet.
@@johndododoe1411 yes, one of the designers (me) usually just make video games, and the other makes guns, so going medieval realism was a bit of a stretch
Could also make one side of the guard an axe head, and the other a spike, s im milar to Skall's design, omitting the locks altogether If we're gonna put the "murder" in murder stroke, let's get serious!
You even inverse the spike so that its facing away from the users hand in "Sword Mode" but towards them in "Hammer Time" so self-impalement wouldn't be an issue either.
I really appreciate the thought and effort you put into this. So many weapon critiques boil down to “This isn’t practical or you would need to be super human. Or technically you could do it I guess.” Credit for actually engaging with the topic and trying to make it work in the real world. (Even if it is silly)
The sword form in the switch axe has the mind's eye property (it will never be deflected or "bounce off of" enemy hide). It cuts through everything. This suggests it's made of a different material than the axe. Since the lengths remain the same, perhaps the sword pops out is denser than the axe head that retracts, causing the user to walk more slowly to control such a heavy weight far from their body.
So wierdly, while the character moves faster in axe mode, the actual attacks are fairly limited, and they wield it similar to a pole arm from what I can tell, while in the sword mode, while the hunter moves slow, the attack animations seem more fluid.
Yeah, usually the rate of attacks is higher than in axe mode. The axe attack damage per hit is higher. I find it good that they made it more fluid in rise.
Weight distribution. The mass is at the middle/front in axe, and in sword the mass is directly in the middle-front. Awkward to hold and carry, but the weight can quicken the swings and the weapon becomes shorter and that can lessen air friction.
This video is amazing. These people who made the animations and plans are excellent. Only thing I started to think about was replacing the pin-mechanism with magnets or something but it would require access to energystoring tech that doesn't exist atm.
The way you overload it with a combo and you make steam/smoke explode out of it is just ecstasy to me. Blacksmiths hate him, watch how this INSANE hunter overworks his melee weapon to the point of overheating! No firepower involved, just pure raw insanity. The fact that in some cases the overheating itself actually ADDS DAMAGE is just bloody ingenious. I love this damn thing.
no wonder they call it an elemental discharge, its esentially a weapon that builds up excess energy on porpouse just to dish out an very well calculated release of energy, like when in upped stated we see the blade of the weapon glow with the heat of the energy which one will argue that this isnt good for the longevity of the weapon but then again all energy weapons in the game need constant sharpening which is just a simplifyed portray of maintainance procedure so its not a weapon that is made to be abused and if you do, not only you will have a crappy edge but you will also have to get stuck in place fixing the energy phial system of the weapon. the fact that in that world they maneged to creat such weapon is amazing, more than that is the fact that the ones in game are actually replicas since the energy weapons are all made from reverse engenieered technology from a civilization that fell appart.
Reminds me somewhat of the Boom Hammer from Bloodborne. You can charge a flame inside of it and use the "hammer" of the hammer to set it off on impact.
@@kanseidorifto2430 in some parts of Mexico they do a festival called San Juan De La Vega, in which the entire town is filled with the sounds of explosions from weapons identical to the boom hammer. Oddly enough, I never expected it to be real. Look it up!
gunlance in MHGU heats up as you blast shells, which adds damage, but there is also a hunting art that literally states that manufacturers aren't going to like people using it because it superheats the weapon and locks it at it's "hottest" for a while
When you are in axe mode, it’s recharging your blade’s energy. So, I think the reason why the blade has to fold because it needs to charge energy to the blade and charging at the tip of the blade would be more effective than charging from the bottom.
I Don’t believe you have to hollow out whole middle of sword, could have push pins on the swords flats and have them find the openings and lock in. If afraid of axe head flying off the sword, flair the tip a little outward so it can’t.
@@Skallagrim design the fuller interaction with the axe head as a track, then leave a small gap where the head would scrape the edge while remaining in contact with the rest of the blade. Would work best with a single edge blade where the fuller and spine are parallel, allowing for maximum resilience as well as a solidly braced axe head.
@@Skallagrim having 2 fullers would assist with the alignment issue as ir would provide another point of contact. Even on the own blade design a secondary fuller could prove useful.
With Super Strength: Maybe have a Solid Handle with spike at end add a sharp hilt have a Double Edged sword blade halfway up have the Axe blade then it turns into a Curved Single Edge Cutlass blade facing opposite the Axe blade.
I enjoyed this one a lot. Smart, well articulated, thought out video, with some level of potential practical use in the thought exercise, but maintaining an attractive novelty to pull in to watching. This was a solid Skallagrim video imho.
Could you get away with just having a fuller instead of a full slot in the blade and just have the locking method be milled out and the axe/lock mechanism just ride in the fuller?
I was thinking the same thing, but the distal taper would cause problems. You would need spring loaded ball bearings that could apply constant pressure as the blade get's thinner. Either that or you would have to not have a distal taper, which would make the sword form unwieldly.
@@theodorehunter4765 i imagine you might be able to make some kind of complicated geomatry to make the fuller like a reverse taper so it ends up the same thickness down the blade as the blade itself tapers.. but idk if it would need a distal taper in sword mode since you have the entire mass of the axe head basicly at the hilt of the sword.
Just have a small fuller with no distal taper and then you can taper the rest of the blade normally. However, there should probably be an extra ridge preventing the pin from slipping out over the otherwise very thin blade... um... shoulder? I'm not sure about the terminology. But anyway, with a groove and ridge you should do fine, although one more of either might be needed if the sword is double-edged. On the other hand, I think significant distal taper would make the blade too wobbly for an axe shaft anyway.
"Obviously the monster hunter series is all about the rule of cool." THANK YOU. More people need to open with that. I also like how he realizes the hunters in MH aren't normal humans.
@@angellara7040 Canonically, the humans that are hunters are not normal. But it's not clear how hardy humanity has become since ancient times, so there's no real way to compare the durability of a hunter to a villager or something.
@@randyg280 there is one way to compare them. The average human can't even lift a hunters weapon, much less use it effectively. Even though intense training most hunters can only take on low to mid teir monster which is considered a great accomplishment. Which means that the player character is an absolute genetic freak.
Another combo weapon of sorts I've been thinking about is making the scabbard of a sword into a weapon on it's own. Fashion a hardwood scabbard that's a little thicker than usual and comes equipped with a mace head or hammer head near the opening of the scabbard. That way you'll be carrying the head of the scabbard weapon in your belt, not entirely unlike the way you'd normally carry some axes or hammers. But you'd also have a sword at the ready. Might even be able to cut a groove into the axe head or hammer head which the guard of the sword fits neatly into on the top.
huh. Neat concept. I like it. You could even make the scabbard completely metal, so it's like a hollow mace, almost. That, or put reinforcing langets that go through the whole length of the thing, like a steel basket shell
Turn the sheath into a club by weighting the end so when you grab it by the top to remove the sword you just gotta spin it around, easily done by sheathing then end in hard metal part way, or in strips all the way up and down to be able to block as well as attack without damaging it...too much? Depends on how much metal playing you’d use I suppose Edit: you’d use the club head under the sword hilt, I’d use it at the other end, same concept
@@widdershins5383 The reason I want the club head under the sword hilt rather than at the bottom of the scabbard is because if you hang a big metal weight to the end of the scabbard, you'll have it bang against your leg every time you walk. Also the metal weight will drag the end of the scabbard towards the ground so your sword handle will always point straight up rather than at an angle, making it more natural to draw.
I’m genuinely surprised that more of Monster Hunter’s weapons don’t fling the player around like a ragdoll in the middle of a microburst given how large they are.
Pretty impressed with the amount of thought and engineering put into this. This is how we get SMD's (swords of mass destruction). "Skall, your engineers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could-they never stopped to think if they should!"
You know diablo 3? There are super badass looking weapons there that the monk carries and when he performs an attack, he simply keeps the badass weapon and just punches demons. Stupid...
As in he uses a mixture of punches and weapon attacks? Or that he only punches and never uses the weapon? I don't think there's anything wrong with the former. That's really common, like punching, grappling, or shoving somebody when they're up in your face. And for a game the greater variety of attacks could visually be more interesting and distinguish the monk from the other melee classes But the later is silly.
@@badwrongfun5541 you equip the weapons to simply increase stats. When the monk is running around he's carrying the weapon like he's gonna smack monsters with it then the weapon returns on the monks back because he's gonna punch monsters just because he's a karate master.
@@badwrongfun5541 Unfortunately it is the latter. Same with the wizard if he holds a staff. He kinda just...keeps it on his back and does stuff with his hands.
This makes me consider the idea of hard light weaponry for sci-fi series. If you had an emitter along a shaft that could alter the shape and length of the blade, you could in theory have it make an axe shape at the end and do that all on its own. Food for thought
I could see some combinations of weapons. Like some Mace heads are pretty small. You could probably fashion a sword with a pommel that could double as a mace head. Make the pommel with some pyramidal shapes on it, so they'd be pointy enough to focus force of blows, but smooth enough so as not to accidentally pierce or cut the user when holding the sword by the handle.
fun fact: in the 1400's with the introduction of early matchlock firearms to the rest of europe from asia, there were some innovative combo weapons that incorporated both the gun and the blade. I once stumbled across a reproduction of a great mace with a flip top spike lid. undo the catch, top flips open to reveal 4 barrels, near the bottom of the mace head were 4 slide leafs that covered the flash pan holes for the guns. Early gun play and combat tactics being what they were, the wielder was intended to ram the side spikes of the mace head into a a wooden sil, uncover the barrels, touch the match wick to the flash pan in succession (rotate, ram, uncover, fire, repeat) until all shots were fired, button up the top spike cap on the mace, and then proceed to bludgeon to death whomever survived the initial volley. it wasn't practical in the slightest, but was an effective mace with the feature of being able to fire projectiles at high velocity. that being said, sword pommels were already mini mace heads in antiquity to begin with (in addition to being the counterbalance to the sword blade) I have a celtic leaf blade with a flat bronze pommel that looks like pac-man. it's purely ornamental, but in a fight it would double as a two pronged bludgeon on a successful downward fist strike. Itialian Master Fiore dei Liberi's "Fior di Battaglia" (the flower of battle) written in the late 1300's, contained examples of using the pommel of a sword as a mace by grasping the blade in a specific manner and swinging the hilt towards an opponents head. I've only seen the technique successfully reproduced once in the modern times, by a pair of re-enactors in full plate armor going at full speed....the "clang" as the pommel hit the other fighters helm was epic.
6:23 This made me think: could we put a blade on a guard (or basket hilt guard) to make it "more efficient" ? like if you happen to need to punch a guy, but with a blade?
It would be possible, some chinese weapons seem to fo that, such as some indian knives with a blade sticking out of the guard; but I imagine it would be dangerous to wear it at your side, you might accidentally slide your hand in it or somehow poke your torso, but maybe it could be just a battle exclusive weapon and not a one for civil use
Magnets don't work well at a distance, and the presumably ferromagnetic blade would also mess up the shape of the field enough to require an even more insanely powerful magnet for that to work. It would be easier to attach an air compressor and pistons.
Personally, I always thought the Sword mode had some type of "propulsion" system, which would make the sword attacks faster, while the weight of the Axe head (which is below the sword) acts as a counter weight of sorts, it would also explain why the SA have the elemental discharge. I may be completely wrong, since I dunno a thing about weapons tho.
The transforming/trick weapons that could work imo would be something like: - Sword + Staff = Swordstaff. Used a bayonet attachment system. - Spear + Bardiche = Switch Bardiche. Better Switch Axe. hollow bardiche handle as switching system. - Dual Short Spears = Long Spear. Used Used a bayonet attachment system. - Warscythe + Cleaver = Warscythe Saif. Used a folding slip joint mechanism. - Sword Balisong + Mace = Balisong Mace. Used folding mechanism with mace-like handle. - Spear + Kite Shield = Dueling Shield. Used a claw attachment system to turn into dueling shield. - Gun + Axe = Gun Axe. Axe blade attach to a gun. - Bow + Axe = Crossbow Axe. a heavy draw bow can attach to an axe handle with trigger mechanism. - Shovel Buckler + Spear = Shovel Poleaxe. a spear with bottom bayonet attachment for bladed shovel. - Sword + Scabbard = Sword + Shield. Arming sword with scabbard shape like a long slender shield. - Short Estoc/Rapier + Cane = War Pick. All metal, the scabbard shaped like Warpick cane. - Atlatl Club + Javeline = Long Spear. Used Used a bayonet attachment system. - Estoc + Staff Scabbard = Pike. Mostly metal. Used a bayonet attachment system. - Throwing axe + Long Sickle = Long War Pick.
My favourite is staff+dagger. Don't like those special snowflake names some people use for them like "spear" and "naginata" though. Just call it a switchstaff.
I built one of these back when I was a teen. (1997ish). The channel the axe head moved in was tapered to the end. There I had placed some really string magnets. So force and those magnets kept the axe head at the end. The more it was used however, the more stuck it would become in the end. For locking it in a sword configuration,I used a "floating" nut configuration some what like found in a crescent wrench. Slide the axe head down to match a nut in it to mate with a bolt in the handle and just tighten it down.
I suppose the real question would whether or not the additional utility outweighs the compromise in durability. Very cool video, I liked it a lot. Thanks.
Yeah, I could see something like this existing, though very over-complicated... makes more sense than the pizza cutter that is the charge blade though...
Pizza cutter started in gu, originally it was just a shield you could hook onto your sword as an axe head, that also SOMEHOW transformed kinetic to chemical energy and back
I'll stick with my Swiss Army Sword, thank you. The corkscrew is a little tricky, but the toothpick and tweezers are top-notch.
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The free moving part isnt a bad thing. I meant, when you swing it acts like an axe, and if you stop swinging and wield it vertically upward, the axe head become a guard... And because the center of mass come closer to the hand, you can block easier. :D
Like the infamous "mercury sword" where the spine is hollow and filled with a fluid so when you swing it it shifts the center of mass towards the tip and when it it is in a standard guard position the center of mass is towards the grip.
i have another idea, you could combine the fuller as a slider with a springloaded- or turning-bolt locking-mechanism. this way you have the integrity of a blade with a fuller instead of a long gap, and only one hole at the top and one at the bottom for the bolt to snap in to hold it in place. you could also go with four holes, two on each end for added lock stability. but then you'd need a mechanism that pushes two bolts simultaneously... i guess it's generally quite a challenge to make a small, easy to make yet sturdy bolt-locking mechanism, especially with medieval tools. that being said, some of the 3d models you presented seemed quite difficult to make without high precision machinery as well.
"Obviously, in a fantasy world with giant monsters and magic." The Monster Hunter universe doesn't have any native forms of magic. The only magical things we ever see are from crossover events.
@@lebro4401 I'm not hugely familiar with the lore, as the only main games I've played are some of Freedom Unite, and most of World/Icebourne. I do know the ancient civilisation pretty much dominated the elder dragons, but they were eventually destroyed by them. The Fatalis (plural?), being the single most feared elder dragon, even by other elder dragons, was most likely involved.
@@zarnox3071 I don't remember ancient civilization dominating elder dragons tbh. So far, fatalis is only related to castle scharade. I think you're mistaking it with equal dragon weapon and great dragon war, because they sound a bit related to your statement.
Cool that he was talking about swinging an axe to build momentum. Axes being my weapon of choice, I can absolutely vouch for that being a true and effective method of wielding an axe. I get a great deal more speed and maneuverability with all of my axes from swinging, rolling, turning etc. keeping them moving in general.
it's awesome seeing these different possible methods to allow a blade transformation with the material taken out of the middle, would that allow for some different blade designs to possibly make this weapon work even better
No, Skall missed the point that the Monster Hunter series and the weapons needs to be big since they are used against giant monsters, not people. His design would never work against the monsters at all since it's not big enough.
My headcanon is that the gravity on the MH world is just way lower than in our world, that would explain literally everything, from the giant weapons and monsters to the fact that theres no fall damage.
@@lucasvega4216 Your's and op's idea combined makes a LOT of the physics make sense, smaller size of everything and lower gravity combined would balance out all of it. Cool ideas I never thought of and I dig em!
@@whitewolf3051 We specifically tried to design weapons that would work in real life against people. We were not trying to design weapons for Monster Hunter.
Couldn’t you just lock it in pommel mode when swinging the sword but unlock it when you want axe mode. Wouldn’t the momentum hold the axe at the end of the sword while you’re swinging it?
Great point: striking with the guard end is already a technique used to tear through armor like a mace. But the issue here is that while that would be effective, one of the points made in the video is that the grip of the weapon doesn't change between it's forms. It wouldn't really be a switch axe at that point, just a cool sword.
Yes, our conclusion after looking at all of these locking ideas is that it would be a million times more effective to use a solid weapon with two ends. We're definitely not wondering why nobody did this in real life.
For integrity, perhaps using a system of ballbearings against a fuller instead. Maybe like a clothespin design to put pressure on the ballbearings and a deeper divot near the top of the blade for it to clamp into place. To retract, just unclamp the clothespin and let it slide down. Of course, the clothespin that holds the ballbearings could either have holes drilled to support a wheel-like structure so that unclamping doesnt cause the ballbearings to loosen themselves, or have the north and south walls holding the bearings to be taller and wider to keep the balls from falling out while pushing them from the deeper recesses.
dude the warpick is fucking DOPE. That model is probably the coolest fantasy design I've ever seen. Logical, practical design. Actual realistic utility. Looks cool as shit; because it's a warpick instead of a straight up axe it functions as a better cross guard in sword form (I imagine the axe head would get in the way a bit, in the other designs.) I love it.
Ah, was waiting for this. Good analysis, different than what I had in mind, although i changed the concept to a switchpike, for more versatility and less of a strain on moving pieces, thrusting when longer instead of smashing.
Instead of the cutout going all the way through the blade, the channel could be similar to a standard fuller and only be surface cuts deep enough to hold protruding nubs on the inside of the axe, most similar to the second design shown. The locking system would again be the hardest part to come up with.
Very nice concepts, in particular the single edge blade with pick hammer head. Then in my opinion, you don’t have to completely hollow the blade, just a fuller on both side deep enough to hold one sphere per side housed inside the hammer head. But yes, the locking mechanism will be the weakest more prone to fail part, even if you resort to one or two wedges to be manually inserted from the bottom when the head is up, or from above when the head is down so to block the spheres from sliding.
for the design with the umbrella style push springs build into the back of the single edged blade, you don't really need to cut a full slot all the way through the blade, just modify the fuller so the axe can follow along. this would increase the strength of the blade itself. a different approach would be magnets. you can actually make a magnet by getting lightning to strike iron(don't remember how exactly but it should be possible with just some metal, rope and a tall tree) so you could use a magnet to lock the axe on the top of the blade, since swinging it would keep it at the top and the magnet would stop it from falling too easily, and just use one of the locks to hold the axe at the handle.
This would be a really cool idea for a weapon, and even cooler if one could actually be made. Btw, great video, Skall! I know you've been hitting a slump lately on yt and you're trying really hard, but I was genuinely interested in this topic and I think you'll be picking up steam again in no time!
Has anyone told this "Forged in Fire" show? The forces involved in the slot design with a big axe-head sound like they could lead to spectacular failures. :-D
"If your weapon doesn't make an engineer cry, you have no business being a monster hunter."
Skallagrim the Wise, July 2021 Pre-Cataclysm calendar.
what cataclysm is comming Jason Broyles the Watcher of Time and Skallagrim?
@@hahahadracula I don't know but O feel like we should start looking for our own physically implausible weapons
Skall is missing the point of Monster Hunter series as well as their weapons, you don't fight other people, you fight monsters, big monsters. What he presented would be ineffective against the monsters of MH.
@@whitewolf3051 He mentioned he was specifically looking at a scenario in a parallel earth where extremely heavy weapons are wieldable, not the MH world. So whether a weapon that transforms this way could work in combat with humans
@@Konpekikaminari my favorite is big bore air guns for this scenario. With replacement seals available and a easy way to fill you could potentially be a zombie nightmare especially hooked to a giant scuba tank of air hooked up! Lol 50 call seneca dragon claw or 30 call full auto hatson blits with 80 ft pounds pressure and lethal at 130 yards with a rate of fire of 1000 rounds per minute. Emptying a 18 round clip of death in a little less then a second. Fully legal machine gun. Shipped to your house. Legal for felons and crazy people.
Being an engineer myself, I have a few comments:
- Since the cut-out merely serves as a guidance to the axe-head, one could replace it in several ways that do not compromise the strength of the blade. A fuller that does not go through would be one example. Another one would be just shaping the axe head so that it rests on the "extended bevel" without touching the actual edge would be another option.
- This way, one could just have a single hole in the middle of the blade where the axe head sits and a spring-loaded pin on the axe head locking it in place. With a slight 'inverse taper' where the axe head should stop, one could even make the axe head fit tightly in axe mode, so it does not rattle.
The cut-out is necessary to fit the BaneNZ locking mechanism, as you push the button from the top to clear the sword from the bottom. With this mechanism in particular, we felt like we should present a very big and beefy lock to prevent it from shaking loose from impacts.
@@acethesupervillain348 I think the locking mechanism as shown is consistent. I just think that one could do without the cut-out with a spring-loaded pin instead and a single hole of the cut-out. This just has other pros and cons I guess.
i had the same idea! a springloaded pin/bolt or a turning-bolt mechanism with only one hole each at the top and the bottom of the blade for the pin to jump in. two fixating pins would be even better i think, it would reduce the stress on the slider/fuller, which otherwise could get damaged and tilted through impact to the point where it won't slide anymore. but the challenge then is how to get two pins to be pushed with a simple and fast hand motion.
I was thinking that myself. Use a regular blade. Use a screw like with a C clamp to hold the ax head in place. Put wood inserts on the ax head to protect the sword blade.
I'm curious how helpful following the in-game 3-part design might be. You could probably figure out the geometry such that the axe head sliding up and down would lever on the blade tip to pull it in and back, keeping the hinges all together. It'd allow for all the locking mechanisms to be nearer the hilt as well. Of course, I totally agree with you that you'd want channels or grooves rather than a full slot.
I don't know why, but i can imagine a certain australian guy building a prototype of this.
Give him a few weeks
#Shadiversity time
Or a certain German guy
@@ProductBasementimagine if he worked on it with an English guy, that would be a collaboration for the ages
A certain British Plumber might get on that
*Okay that discussion about making a "realistic" Switch Axe was actually pretty freaking cool.*
Wait until he starts up with more trick weapons. I haven't played or seen any Monster Hunter, but Bloodborne has quite a fair amount of ones open for discussion.
@@kanseidorifto2430 i REALLY want a working cane, shower rod axe and kirk sword lol
@@aaron_raney940 Absolutely, what person honestly wouldn't want them if they knew they existed? That needs to be a thing; hopefully capable of being wielded.
With the Switch-Axe you actually Hit faster with the Sword than with the Axe, you only walk slower in Sword Mode
Still pretty strange. Walking with a sword is no harder than walking with an axe. If anything it's easier.
@@Skallagrim
Its just a videogame logic balancing thing. They need to nerf the sword in some way so people use the axe in equal amounts
Axe mode wild swing is faster than sword mode rising slash follow by double slash combo. In axe mode you also have forward slash and side slash which is the fastest SA attack.
@@Skallagrim True but still it does completely throw the whole "more damage with sword mode" argument out the window as the Axe does do significantly more damage per hit unless you wild swing of course.
The Reason sword mode is better is it hits faster and does more damage from charging, which there really is no real life counterpart to unless you imagine a dynamo charging up an electrical shock you can release at any time.
@@VanceHelw Wild swing is slower and has a high commit while you are comparing it to sword modes faster and lower commit attacks. The recovery time for the axe modes fastest attacks are also the highest recovery times. The only high commit Sword moves that do more damage total than axe moves, do 2 attacks per input, and still have less commit. Also not sure if World has the triple slash but those are 3 hits for the price of a double slash. You wont find this info in the wikis, you really need to check "arrekz gaming" weapon tutorials or similar stuff on youtube.
4:47, actually, The sword swings themselves ARE faster than the axe swings, but the actual movement isnt, I'd assume its to sort of emulate a stance where the user has to be more "grounded", so probably not an oversight
The way I always imagined why the movement is different is because the axe mode swings are wide and the hunter has to move for a good amount of the attacks, following through with the momentum of the swing. The hunter moves faster because they use the axe head's momentum after a swing to reposition themselves.
As for the sword, there is less inertia at a point that's further away from the body, so it's hard to create momentum that can be used to move oneself. The hunter can swing faster but can't use their swings to reposition at all, aside from by moving their legs.
I feel that the reduced walk speed in sword mode is for balance reasons: a trade off for a faster attack speed that, thanks to the weapon's phial, ignores weapon sharpness and monster part toughness
@@sirenlover100 also reminder its a mix of the long swards reach and great swards power in the methoid of striking. and the GS has a slow walk but also from the looks a EXTREAMLY grounded stance in order to not lose the blade or crush your self with it.
Ah yes, the classic questions: "Could you?" and "Should you?"
Yes and.. YES
And the answer is always yes and no
That sounds like my unhealthy relationship with cake ... and overthinking.
Honestly its so cool that if you could you definitely should.
@@petruraciula9056 this comment is hilarious
See this is why I like Monster Hunter, it's not *realistic* but you can always kinda see where they are coming from. There is a consistent idea of how things work.
Yeah, it's sort of science adjacent. Wyvern fire (from a wyvern, not the shot or GL ability) is explained through examine texts of items as being a powder that combusts upon contact with the air. It's a completely unnecessary detail, but one that can add to the levels of research done in the world
It all works with the science of the world, and that science is explained.
It really lets you get a feel for how it works
@@needude7218 ive seen this all over, but i can never find what it means. What does "science adjacent" mean?
@@nekowerewolf9769 I'm not even sure if there is a single fixed definition, but the way I use it is to say something isn't real world science, but acts like real world science and is treated like real world science in the world it exists in
@@needude7218 Or that Zinogre's aren't just magic, they have hollow spines on their body that house symbiotic fulgurbugs that generate electricity. Or that Brachydios uses a chemical in his saliva to activate this slimy mold that's found all over his body. That's the kind of logic I love in fictional worlds. Verisimilitude is what it's called, I believe.
Just like Brandon Harrera, Skall needs to start a cursed blade images series.
Perfect idea.
Yes then do a collab. For bayonets and Guns
Collaborative RWBY reaction series.
Man, that would be gold.
YES
14:15 I love how naturally the axe head functions as a handguard for the sword configuration.
I think we’re overlooking something here; if the axe head is the guard, then wouldn’t every strike with the axe blade be a murderstroke
Mordhau would you manage that?
What Skall is overlooking is that the Monster Hunter series as well as their weapons aren't used against people, but giant monsters. What he designed would never work against those monsters, not big enough for the job.
@@whitewolf3051 My guy, chill with the spam
@@whitewolf3051 I’ve seen you on at least 4 other threads here. I think you can cool it on the spam now.
@@whitewolf3051 a good normally proportioned poleaxe, spear, or halberd would probably be the the best choice for a human to fight most of the monsters in monster hunter. Even a superhumanly strong individual of human size can't weild anything substantially heavier simple because they wouldn't have sufficient mass to avoid effectively throwing themselves.
Having 2 friends who want me to play more Monster Hunter sounds like heaven
Having friends that play at least one game that you also like sounds even better
@@lunarkomet lmao I also suffer from this fate. So many incredible single player games these days seems like everybody's chipping away at one of those instead of yelling at me in Chivalry :(
they want you to master the hunting horn
Same
I don't know if you have talked about the already, but seeing how practical Bloodborne weapons are or if they could be made better/more practical.
Agreed
If you need a long reach, you switch to a piercing weapon. If you want more power, you switch to a blunt weapon, vice versa.
In fact, this weapon is quicker in sword mode, is it's dps "configuration". Axe mode acumulates energy, but the swings are slower.
Prithee, be careful. I don't want to see m' work squandered!
Love the starting skit, and meanwhile in Witcher school they're like "here's a longsword, go kill that cockatrice that would be big enough to just pick you up. Don't worry the blade is silvered"
Instead of amping up the weapon, they amp up the wielder. With genetic manipulation and combat drugs...
@@pirig-gal I mean, with an amped up wielder, they could also amp up the weapon quite a bit to give it more reach, for example. Just imagine a Witcher with a spear or a pole axe.
@@l.o.b.2433 The problem is with fighting in a confined space, in caves or ruins (where monsters often dwell). Also, you can't have too over-the-top weapon, because the setting is Low Fantasy. I suppose they use a longsword because it offers the best flexibility.
@@l.o.b.2433 Witchers are supposed to be able to be athletic and maneuverable in every combat scenario and also able to defend against multiple enemies with the use of bombs, so really a spear is a poor weapon choice against a mob of enemies, and a poleaxe or spear would also be hard to maneuver in a lot of scenarios.
@@pirig-gal A longsword is similarly useless in confined spaces though. And with a spear, you can still stab quite easily in a cave. You don't have to swing it around.
Switchaxe could be an early 2000's screamo band and I refuse to believe it is anything else...
They opened for IWRESTLEDABEARONCE at Warped Tour
Those 3D designs would work perfectly in a fantasy setting where you have a special material like mithril to construct them out of.
I'm getting some RPG ideas
That sliding mechanism is overcomplicated for steel, looks like designer is used to plastic. A wedge in the exe head getting pushed through and locked on the other side with a smaller wedge would be simpler and stronger, no spring loading, just a few solid pieces gripped by your gauntlet.
@@johndododoe1411 yes, one of the designers (me) usually just make video games, and the other makes guns, so going medieval realism was a bit of a stretch
Just make a hammer headed guard so that when you murder stroke its more effective (like a war hammer)
Could also make one side of the guard an axe head, and the other a spike, s im milar to Skall's design, omitting the locks altogether
If we're gonna put the "murder" in murder stroke, let's get serious!
You even inverse the spike so that its facing away from the users hand in "Sword Mode" but towards them in "Hammer Time" so self-impalement wouldn't be an issue either.
I think swords like that exist in history.
the problem with this is that the hilt end would be really heavy in comparison to the blade, so swinging with the sword would be far less effective
Does the hammer have a tiny chainsaw strap around that? pfff I bet it doesn't even SHOOT fire.
I really appreciate the thought and effort you put into this. So many weapon critiques boil down to “This isn’t practical or you would need to be super human. Or technically you could do it I guess.” Credit for actually engaging with the topic and trying to make it work in the real world. (Even if it is silly)
You could totally turn the single edge version into an edgy zombie survival mall tool.
The sword form in the switch axe has the mind's eye property (it will never be deflected or "bounce off of" enemy hide). It cuts through everything. This suggests it's made of a different material than the axe. Since the lengths remain the same, perhaps the sword pops out is denser than the axe head that retracts, causing the user to walk more slowly to control such a heavy weight far from their body.
So wierdly, while the character moves faster in axe mode, the actual attacks are fairly limited, and they wield it similar to a pole arm from what I can tell, while in the sword mode, while the hunter moves slow, the attack animations seem more fluid.
Yeah, usually the rate of attacks is higher than in axe mode. The axe attack damage per hit is higher. I find it good that they made it more fluid in rise.
Perhaps the slower movements are because he's got all the weight right on him instead of using it ahead of him to lead movement forward?
@@craigrandall4553 reasonable explaination! He can't use the momentum to get from A to B.
Weight distribution. The mass is at the middle/front in axe, and in sword the mass is directly in the middle-front. Awkward to hold and carry, but the weight can quicken the swings and the weapon becomes shorter and that can lessen air friction.
This video is amazing. These people who made the animations and plans are excellent.
Only thing I started to think about was replacing the pin-mechanism with magnets or something but it would require access to energystoring tech that doesn't exist atm.
Honestly the designs you three came up with are pretty nice, I'd love to use them in tabletop for inventor characters xD
That sounds like it would be really cool.
@@noblesseoblige1076 Ironically, an upcoming class of a game I play is litteraly that and can craft configurable weapons like that x)
Thanks
I don't ever see myself unsubscribing from this channel. This is awesome.
Make an engineer cry of extasy... I can confirm i am one and would just love to go wild with crazy complex mechanism like that.^^
K.I.S.S.
K.I.S.S.
German Engineer?
@@sephirothbahamut245 French
You'd love Bloodborne then
The way you overload it with a combo and you make steam/smoke explode out of it is just ecstasy to me. Blacksmiths hate him, watch how this INSANE hunter overworks his melee weapon to the point of overheating! No firepower involved, just pure raw insanity.
The fact that in some cases the overheating itself actually ADDS DAMAGE is just bloody ingenious. I love this damn thing.
no wonder they call it an elemental discharge, its esentially a weapon that builds up excess energy on porpouse just to dish out an very well calculated release of energy, like when in upped stated we see the blade of the weapon glow with the heat of the energy which one will argue that this isnt good for the longevity of the weapon but then again all energy weapons in the game need constant sharpening which is just a simplifyed portray of maintainance procedure so its not a weapon that is made to be abused and if you do, not only you will have a crappy edge but you will also have to get stuck in place fixing the energy phial system of the weapon.
the fact that in that world they maneged to creat such weapon is amazing, more than that is the fact that the ones in game are actually replicas since the energy weapons are all made from reverse engenieered technology from a civilization that fell appart.
Reminds me somewhat of the Boom Hammer from Bloodborne. You can charge a flame inside of it and use the "hammer" of the hammer to set it off on impact.
@@kanseidorifto2430 in some parts of Mexico they do a festival called San Juan De La Vega, in which the entire town is filled with the sounds of explosions from weapons identical to the boom hammer. Oddly enough, I never expected it to be real. Look it up!
gunlance in MHGU heats up as you blast shells, which adds damage, but there is also a hunting art that literally states that manufacturers aren't going to like people using it because it superheats the weapon and locks it at it's "hottest" for a while
@@xresinance1290 gunlance is the best weapon. I love the switch axe, but I've mained GL since MHFU and I think I always will.
When you are in axe mode, it’s recharging your blade’s energy. So, I think the reason why the blade has to fold because it needs to charge energy to the blade and charging at the tip of the blade would be more effective than charging from the bottom.
Didn't read the title and I thought it was going to be about switching grip on poleaxe. You can imagine my reaction to the first seconds of video.
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@@Skallagrim A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
I Don’t believe you have to hollow out whole middle of sword, could have push pins on the swords flats and have them find the openings and lock in. If afraid of axe head flying off the sword, flair the tip a little outward so it can’t.
Yes, but then it would have to ride on the outside of the blade itself, grinding the edge every time it slides.
@@Skallagrim design the fuller interaction with the axe head as a track, then leave a small gap where the head would scrape the edge while remaining in contact with the rest of the blade. Would work best with a single edge blade where the fuller and spine are parallel, allowing for maximum resilience as well as a solidly braced axe head.
@@Skallagrim having 2 fullers would assist with the alignment issue as ir would provide another point of contact.
Even on the own blade design a secondary fuller could prove useful.
*hollow blade.
With Super Strength: Maybe have a Solid Handle with spike at end add a sharp hilt have a Double Edged sword blade halfway up have the Axe blade then it turns into a Curved Single Edge Cutlass blade facing opposite the Axe blade.
The first one looked like a lantern shield!
The medieval Swiss Army knife… shield
At the very least having an axe head as a crossguard looks pretty cool.
I enjoyed this one a lot. Smart, well articulated, thought out video, with some level of potential practical use in the thought exercise, but maintaining an attractive novelty to pull in to watching.
This was a solid Skallagrim video imho.
Yes, it was fun to help out with this one.
Love that u used a hooksword as example,it really works perfectly for what u whant to state
Could you get away with just having a fuller instead of a full slot in the blade and just have the locking method be milled out and the axe/lock mechanism just ride in the fuller?
I was thinking the same thing, but the distal taper would cause problems. You would need spring loaded ball bearings that could apply constant pressure as the blade get's thinner.
Either that or you would have to not have a distal taper, which would make the sword form unwieldly.
@@theodorehunter4765 i imagine you might be able to make some kind of complicated geomatry to make the fuller like a reverse taper so it ends up the same thickness down the blade as the blade itself tapers.. but idk if it would need a distal taper in sword mode since you have the entire mass of the axe head basicly at the hilt of the sword.
@@Ebonmourn Idk. Thinking about that geometry makes my head hurt.
Just have a small fuller with no distal taper and then you can taper the rest of the blade normally. However, there should probably be an extra ridge preventing the pin from slipping out over the otherwise very thin blade... um... shoulder? I'm not sure about the terminology. But anyway, with a groove and ridge you should do fine, although one more of either might be needed if the sword is double-edged.
On the other hand, I think significant distal taper would make the blade too wobbly for an axe shaft anyway.
I image you'd need a very deep fuller, which might be a distinction without a practical difference.
"Obviously the monster hunter series is all about the rule of cool." THANK YOU. More people need to open with that. I also like how he realizes the hunters in MH aren't normal humans.
They are normal humans in universe
@@angellara7040 Canonically, the humans that are hunters are not normal. But it's not clear how hardy humanity has become since ancient times, so there's no real way to compare the durability of a hunter to a villager or something.
@@randyg280 there is one way to compare them. The average human can't even lift a hunters weapon, much less use it effectively. Even though intense training most hunters can only take on low to mid teir monster which is considered a great accomplishment. Which means that the player character is an absolute genetic freak.
Another combo weapon of sorts I've been thinking about is making the scabbard of a sword into a weapon on it's own.
Fashion a hardwood scabbard that's a little thicker than usual and comes equipped with a mace head or hammer head near the opening of the scabbard.
That way you'll be carrying the head of the scabbard weapon in your belt, not entirely unlike the way you'd normally carry some axes or hammers. But you'd also have a sword at the ready.
Might even be able to cut a groove into the axe head or hammer head which the guard of the sword fits neatly into on the top.
huh. Neat concept. I like it. You could even make the scabbard completely metal, so it's like a hollow mace, almost. That, or put reinforcing langets that go through the whole length of the thing, like a steel basket shell
Turn the sheath into a club by weighting the end so when you grab it by the top to remove the sword you just gotta spin it around, easily done by sheathing then end in hard metal part way, or in strips all the way up and down to be able to block as well as attack without damaging it...too much? Depends on how much metal playing you’d use I suppose
Edit: you’d use the club head under the sword hilt, I’d use it at the other end, same concept
@@widdershins5383 The reason I want the club head under the sword hilt rather than at the bottom of the scabbard is because if you hang a big metal weight to the end of the scabbard, you'll have it bang against your leg every time you walk. Also the metal weight will drag the end of the scabbard towards the ground so your sword handle will always point straight up rather than at an angle, making it more natural to draw.
I think bloodborne did something similar to your idea.
I've made a cosplay scabbard that acts as a secondary sword with a blade near the tip of the scabbard, and it works fine enough made of metal and wood
Do you even know how happy a Switch Axe main is to watch this? Thank you so much for this!
I’m genuinely surprised that more of Monster Hunter’s weapons don’t fling the player around like a ragdoll in the middle of a microburst given how large they are.
And the ones that do are the BO STAFF and A SWORD AND SHIELD
@@SunshowerWonderlab.....you mean the insect glaive?
@@ZeltThePotatoBoi yes I was oversimplifying for anybody not familiar with the franchise
Gunlance can. And it’s fun.
Pretty impressed with the amount of thought and engineering put into this. This is how we get SMD's (swords of mass destruction).
"Skall, your engineers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could-they never stopped to think if they should!"
You know diablo 3? There are super badass looking weapons there that the monk carries and when he performs an attack, he simply keeps the badass weapon and just punches demons. Stupid...
I mean we all know punches are superior.
@@gothicpando Cause he uses the most efficient technique of unscrewing the pommel and punches with it, duh!
As in he uses a mixture of punches and weapon attacks? Or that he only punches and never uses the weapon?
I don't think there's anything wrong with the former. That's really common, like punching, grappling, or shoving somebody when they're up in your face. And for a game the greater variety of attacks could visually be more interesting and distinguish the monk from the other melee classes
But the later is silly.
@@badwrongfun5541 you equip the weapons to simply increase stats. When the monk is running around he's carrying the weapon like he's gonna smack monsters with it then the weapon returns on the monks back because he's gonna punch monsters just because he's a karate master.
@@badwrongfun5541 Unfortunately it is the latter. Same with the wizard if he holds a staff. He kinda just...keeps it on his back and does stuff with his hands.
This makes me consider the idea of hard light weaponry for sci-fi series. If you had an emitter along a shaft that could alter the shape and length of the blade, you could in theory have it make an axe shape at the end and do that all on its own. Food for thought
*Weapon Smith* : What features do you want with your blade?
*Skal* : Yes.
I could see some combinations of weapons.
Like some Mace heads are pretty small. You could probably fashion a sword with a pommel that could double as a mace head. Make the pommel with some pyramidal shapes on it, so they'd be pointy enough to focus force of blows, but smooth enough so as not to accidentally pierce or cut the user when holding the sword by the handle.
fun fact: in the 1400's with the introduction of early matchlock firearms to the rest of europe from asia, there were some innovative combo weapons that incorporated both the gun and the blade. I once stumbled across a reproduction of a great mace with a flip top spike lid. undo the catch, top flips open to reveal 4 barrels, near the bottom of the mace head were 4 slide leafs that covered the flash pan holes for the guns. Early gun play and combat tactics being what they were, the wielder was intended to ram the side spikes of the mace head into a a wooden sil, uncover the barrels, touch the match wick to the flash pan in succession (rotate, ram, uncover, fire, repeat) until all shots were fired, button up the top spike cap on the mace, and then proceed to bludgeon to death whomever survived the initial volley. it wasn't practical in the slightest, but was an effective mace with the feature of being able to fire projectiles at high velocity.
that being said, sword pommels were already mini mace heads in antiquity to begin with (in addition to being the counterbalance to the sword blade) I have a celtic leaf blade with a flat bronze pommel that looks like pac-man. it's purely ornamental, but in a fight it would double as a two pronged bludgeon on a successful downward fist strike. Itialian Master Fiore dei Liberi's
"Fior di Battaglia" (the flower of battle) written in the late 1300's, contained examples of using the pommel of a sword as a mace by grasping the blade in a specific manner and swinging the hilt towards an opponents head. I've only seen the technique successfully reproduced once in the modern times, by a pair of re-enactors in full plate armor going at full speed....the "clang" as the pommel hit the other fighters helm was epic.
6:23 This made me think: could we put a blade on a guard (or basket hilt guard) to make it "more efficient" ? like if you happen to need to punch a guy, but with a blade?
It would be possible, some chinese weapons seem to fo that, such as some indian knives with a blade sticking out of the guard; but I imagine it would be dangerous to wear it at your side, you might accidentally slide your hand in it or somehow poke your torso, but maybe it could be just a battle exclusive weapon and not a one for civil use
@@danielbarnett3672 you would need a scabbard for your Guard
@@omariscovoador7486 Hmm, maybe you can construct a regular scabbard that extends to cover the guard
It could put yourself at risk, but if you are ok with that it's totally reasonable
The Klingons did that in Star Trek lol
I think a video overthinking about durability of armor and weapons in game vs real life can be fun
I thought it said four months ago. I was so confused why it only had 300 views.
Idea: put magnets in the hilt and use the push/pull forces aid in extending/retracting the axe/hammer head(?)
Magnets don't work well at a distance, and the presumably ferromagnetic blade would also mess up the shape of the field enough to require an even more insanely powerful magnet for that to work. It would be easier to attach an air compressor and pistons.
Personally, I always thought the Sword mode had some type of "propulsion" system, which would make the sword attacks faster, while the weight of the Axe head (which is below the sword) acts as a counter weight of sorts, it would also explain why the SA have the elemental discharge.
I may be completely wrong, since I dunno a thing about weapons tho.
Those were some good, comprehensible animations.
I wonder at what point in history the creation of such versatile weapons could've been fashioned.
And here I am hunting giant monsters with a short sword and shield....
Sns broken, op, like, seriously, it’s an incredible weapon.
I use a bow, I feel you
And here I am hunting giant monsters with a bigger sword and shield. Also known as a charge blade.
And here I am, sharpening a hammer...
@@Abyssal86hahaha wait how i didnt notice this before hahaha
It should be noted that in Frontier(An MMO, which had multiple forms for weapons) made some weapons really maneuverable, with a dash movement.
The transforming/trick weapons that could work imo would be something like:
- Sword + Staff = Swordstaff. Used a bayonet attachment system.
- Spear + Bardiche = Switch Bardiche. Better Switch Axe. hollow bardiche handle as switching system.
- Dual Short Spears = Long Spear. Used Used a bayonet attachment system.
- Warscythe + Cleaver = Warscythe Saif. Used a folding slip joint mechanism.
- Sword Balisong + Mace = Balisong Mace. Used folding mechanism with mace-like handle.
- Spear + Kite Shield = Dueling Shield. Used a claw attachment system to turn into dueling shield.
- Gun + Axe = Gun Axe. Axe blade attach to a gun.
- Bow + Axe = Crossbow Axe. a heavy draw bow can attach to an axe handle with trigger mechanism.
- Shovel Buckler + Spear = Shovel Poleaxe. a spear with bottom bayonet attachment for bladed shovel.
- Sword + Scabbard = Sword + Shield. Arming sword with scabbard shape like a long slender shield.
- Short Estoc/Rapier + Cane = War Pick. All metal, the scabbard shaped like Warpick cane.
- Atlatl Club + Javeline = Long Spear. Used Used a bayonet attachment system.
- Estoc + Staff Scabbard = Pike. Mostly metal. Used a bayonet attachment system.
- Throwing axe + Long Sickle = Long War Pick.
searching a Two-handed ax-mortar :D
for some of these there is a video on shadeversity channel
sword Staff
spiked pavise
gun axe
sword shield
@@FreelacerxD hahaha. It could work if the whole thing being hold by the power of imagination LOL
My favourite is staff+dagger. Don't like those special snowflake names some people use for them like "spear" and "naginata" though. Just call it a switchstaff.
I built one of these back when I was a teen. (1997ish). The channel the axe head moved in was tapered to the end. There I had placed some really string magnets. So force and those magnets kept the axe head at the end. The more it was used however, the more stuck it would become in the end.
For locking it in a sword configuration,I used a "floating" nut configuration some what like found in a crescent wrench. Slide the axe head down to match a nut in it to mate with a bolt in the handle and just tighten it down.
"Parallel Earth but with super strength and super toughness"
So like... Pewter Allomancers? :P
I suppose the real question would whether or not the additional utility outweighs the compromise in durability. Very cool video, I liked it a lot. Thanks.
Yeah, I could see something like this existing, though very over-complicated... makes more sense than the pizza cutter that is the charge blade though...
Pizza cutter started in gu, originally it was just a shield you could hook onto your sword as an axe head, that also SOMEHOW transformed kinetic to chemical energy and back
Hey, I'll have you know that pizza cutter is expertly crafted out of the most exquisite of extinct species! It is a mastercrafted pizza cutter!
I'll stick with my Swiss Army Sword, thank you. The corkscrew is a little tricky, but the toothpick and tweezers are top-notch.
The free moving part isnt a bad thing. I meant, when you swing it acts like an axe, and if you stop swinging and wield it vertically upward, the axe head become a guard... And because the center of mass come closer to the hand, you can block easier. :D
Like the infamous "mercury sword" where the spine is hollow and filled with a fluid so when you swing it it shifts the center of mass towards the tip and when it it is in a standard guard position the center of mass is towards the grip.
i have another idea, you could combine the fuller as a slider with a springloaded- or turning-bolt locking-mechanism. this way you have the integrity of a blade with a fuller instead of a long gap, and only one hole at the top and one at the bottom for the bolt to snap in to hold it in place.
you could also go with four holes, two on each end for added lock stability. but then you'd need a mechanism that pushes two bolts simultaneously...
i guess it's generally quite a challenge to make a small, easy to make yet sturdy bolt-locking mechanism, especially with medieval tools.
that being said, some of the 3d models you presented seemed quite difficult to make without high precision machinery as well.
"There really are problems with swinging such a giant thing around."
-John Holmes
Lmfao!! Hahaha
Monster Hunter celebrates Rule of Cool, so every weapon is more or less practical in the Unverse. I enjoy the videos like this.
What about the charge blade minus the explody part?
Also if someone made this for Skall to test himself that would be amazing but expensive
I love the aesthetic of the switch axe, and most ridiculous shit in MH. Just the idea of it is so kickass, but of course its still ridiculous as hell.
"Obviously, in a fantasy world with giant monsters and magic."
The Monster Hunter universe doesn't have any native forms of magic. The only magical things we ever see are from crossover events.
It doesn't have "magic" but the hunters are clearly superhuman.
@@Candlemancer Yep. Lorewise, I think they're the descendants of an incredibly advanced civilisation that was destroyed by Fatalis.
@@zarnox3071 i thought fatalis only destroyed castle Schrade.
@@lebro4401 I'm not hugely familiar with the lore, as the only main games I've played are some of Freedom Unite, and most of World/Icebourne. I do know the ancient civilisation pretty much dominated the elder dragons, but they were eventually destroyed by them. The Fatalis (plural?), being the single most feared elder dragon, even by other elder dragons, was most likely involved.
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I don't remember ancient civilization dominating elder dragons tbh. So far, fatalis is only related to castle scharade. I think you're mistaking it with equal dragon weapon and great dragon war, because they sound a bit related to your statement.
Cool that he was talking about swinging an axe to build momentum. Axes being my weapon of choice, I can absolutely vouch for that being a true and effective method of wielding an axe. I get a great deal more speed and maneuverability with all of my axes from swinging, rolling, turning etc. keeping them moving in general.
I'd love to see you review weapons from RWBY
Nunchuck flintlocks guns would blow his mind.
@@Ashtor1337 gunchucks actually work, so long as you make sure they don't misfire when you're swinging them around
Adding complexity significantly adds to item cost and difficulty of manufacture as well as adding new and exciting failure modes.
I have never been this early before its nice
it's awesome seeing these different possible methods to allow a blade transformation
with the material taken out of the middle, would that allow for some different blade designs to possibly make this weapon work even better
A beautiful bearded dwarven woman discusses ways to exaggerate axes
You mean the ones from warhammer fantasy?
made me laugh very loud
Thanks for making this, Skallagrim. You should get Ace on board for more of these in the future, really adds a lot to the video IMHO
My headcannon is that the hunters are ant sized, that way bionics makes most of these things not a total mess xD
No, Skall missed the point that the Monster Hunter series and the weapons needs to be big since they are used against giant monsters, not people. His design would never work against the monsters at all since it's not big enough.
My headcanon is that the gravity on the MH world is just way lower than in our world, that would explain literally everything, from the giant weapons and monsters to the fact that theres no fall damage.
@@whitewolf3051 SnS or Dual Blades come to mind, they seem to work just fine. Be a low damage fast weapon.
@@lucasvega4216 Your's and op's idea combined makes a LOT of the physics make sense, smaller size of everything and lower gravity combined would balance out all of it. Cool ideas I never thought of and I dig em!
@@whitewolf3051 We specifically tried to design weapons that would work in real life against people. We were not trying to design weapons for Monster Hunter.
Tod, Joerg and even Shad could have some fun trying to make one of those.
Couldn’t you just lock it in pommel mode when swinging the sword but unlock it when you want axe mode. Wouldn’t the momentum hold the axe at the end of the sword while you’re swinging it?
there are enough skilled and crazy enough makers on yt that some should give this one a go and see if they can make it happen.
What is that monstrosity in the beginning?
I think Switch axe is the embodiment of physics from all morph weapons in MH series.
Couldn’t you just make an axe blade guard then hold the sword blade? Such moves aren’t unprecedented.
Great point: striking with the guard end is already a technique used to tear through armor like a mace. But the issue here is that while that would be effective, one of the points made in the video is that the grip of the weapon doesn't change between it's forms. It wouldn't really be a switch axe at that point, just a cool sword.
Yes, our conclusion after looking at all of these locking ideas is that it would be a million times more effective to use a solid weapon with two ends. We're definitely not wondering why nobody did this in real life.
Axe Head as a Sword Guard, without sliding, seams like a great weapon design.
0:53 thats one of the ugliest things i have ever seen
loving the classic skall video concepts we've been getting recently
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X2 speed goes brrr
Love it
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@@Unsensitive So... So rude... But see I hit this with a screenshot already so his quickness shall be immortalized in that way!
@@craigrandall4553 Don't forget to create a NFT for that!
Would hate for someone else to steal your moment, claiming it as authentic!
For integrity, perhaps using a system of ballbearings against a fuller instead. Maybe like a clothespin design to put pressure on the ballbearings and a deeper divot near the top of the blade for it to clamp into place. To retract, just unclamp the clothespin and let it slide down. Of course, the clothespin that holds the ballbearings could either have holes drilled to support a wheel-like structure so that unclamping doesnt cause the ballbearings to loosen themselves, or have the north and south walls holding the bearings to be taller and wider to keep the balls from falling out while pushing them from the deeper recesses.
good warmup, solid ideas
now, about the charge blade..
Instead of a channel/fuller in the blade, you could make this portion raised and have a cross-shaped guide channel in the axe-head.
Glad to see you finally talk about this. It was a great analysis
When you were talking about sword mode being slower than axe mode being weird (it is)
It sparked the really cursed idea of mobile greatsword
dude the warpick is fucking DOPE. That model is probably the coolest fantasy design I've ever seen. Logical, practical design. Actual realistic utility. Looks cool as shit; because it's a warpick instead of a straight up axe it functions as a better cross guard in sword form (I imagine the axe head would get in the way a bit, in the other designs.)
I love it.
Love the video! Would like to see more fantasy weapons chalanged and their usefulness in real life
Ah, was waiting for this. Good analysis, different than what I had in mind, although i changed the concept to a switchpike, for more versatility and less of a strain on moving pieces, thrusting when longer instead of smashing.
Instead of the cutout going all the way through the blade, the channel could be similar to a standard fuller and only be surface cuts deep enough to hold protruding nubs on the inside of the axe, most similar to the second design shown. The locking system would again be the hardest part to come up with.
nice and clean renders! very good presentation, was a pleasure seeing them.
Very nice concepts, in particular the single edge blade with pick hammer head. Then in my opinion, you don’t have to completely hollow the blade, just a fuller on both side deep enough to hold one sphere per side housed inside the hammer head. But yes, the locking mechanism will be the weakest more prone to fail part, even if you resort to one or two wedges to be manually inserted from the bottom when the head is up, or from above when the head is down so to block the spheres from sliding.
for the design with the umbrella style push springs build into the back of the single edged blade, you don't really need to cut a full slot all the way through the blade, just modify the fuller so the axe can follow along. this would increase the strength of the blade itself. a different approach would be magnets. you can actually make a magnet by getting lightning to strike iron(don't remember how exactly but it should be possible with just some metal, rope and a tall tree) so you could use a magnet to lock the axe on the top of the blade, since swinging it would keep it at the top and the magnet would stop it from falling too easily, and just use one of the locks to hold the axe at the handle.
Seeing a “sword de corbin” irl would make me incredibly happy
This would be a really cool idea for a weapon, and even cooler if one could actually be made. Btw, great video, Skall! I know you've been hitting a slump lately on yt and you're trying really hard, but I was genuinely interested in this topic and I think you'll be picking up steam again in no time!
Has anyone told this "Forged in Fire" show? The forces involved in the slot design with a big axe-head sound like they could lead to spectacular failures. :-D
You forgot to mention about adding some flintlocks for those sword mode explosions