The HARSH Reality of Buying Sports Cards on eBay...😕
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video, I explain why buying sports cards on eBay is both a GOOD thing and a BAD thing. I share a short story of my recent purchase of a card on eBay, and the negative result in doing so.
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Has something like this ever happened to you? 👇🏽
I know you said you contacted eBay, but you are still protected thru eBay! If Probstein listed the card as nm or better, you can still return it. Also, you could return it to Panini for a replacement. Just trying to help. Good luck!
@@cadurlingYou believe that card would grade an 8 with that corner? It would not. That card is not near-mint with that large of a flaw. Therefore, he could return it.
I have bought a good amount of raw cards on eBay. I found out very quickly. Never buy from any of the "LCS" or "Collectible" names with a ton of sales. They pre-screen all their cards. If they are clean and solid, they will send them to get graded. If they have any blemishes, they just post them on eBay and say that they are in "ungraded condition" or some other vague BS. They will manipulate the picture so that light is glaring or reflecting off any possible defect or flaw. Much better off sticking to your like average Joe that is much less likely to be screening their cards.
This is very good information for us all. Thank you for your insight
Some of them actually disclose that. They say any raw card likely has blemishes cause they’d send them away if they didnt
@@tonydavis6487 buy from me. I only sell raw cards plus I personally dont grade. Buy from smaller sellers, thats your best bet.
The eBay listing usually says Near mint or better which states "Comparable to a fresh pack. Flaws may include: Minor corner and edge wear". So, if you read the listing and click on the circled i, it should show this info. If the card says it is Excellent it is actually worse than NM. Same with Very Good (worse than NM). Buying raw cards is hit or miss. Some people only buy graded cards from PSA, SGC, or CGC instead of raw.
Thank you for this info 🙏🏽
i buy from ebay because i am an introvert and doing deals in person gives me anxiety. i also sell on ebay and while i use the same description in all my listings, i also mention that if they want more pictures to ask and i will oblige. so the buyer has some responsibilty to do their due diligence.
@@aaaapee I agree man
Don’t buy chrome cards on eBay. People know how to angle cameras to hide print lines
Whole industry is a sham
Not really, but I will say, everything man touches turns into sin and there are lots of sinners these days.
Facts
@@PhuryousOne amen
I think only antique dealers are shadier in the eBay world, maybe media sellers. IDK....
Grading is the reason I stopped buying and selling sports cards years ago. Especially as someone who doesn't bother grading. I knew it was getting bad when I automatically put in the description "has minor scratches" for every chrome card I listed, whether it had them or not... just to stave off the return queens.
Makes perfect sense and totally understandable
I always feel like they ding it on purpose, if it sells for too low. Just for spite
@@tomokogaming8968 right? You never know
It’s doesn’t matter if they don’t accept returns but eBay will force them to accept. Just enter a return send pics of the damage and they will refund.
@@Candidtrue I did and got a refund thankfully
Never had an issue buying cards from eBay-I only buy graded slabs. I will not buy raw cards.
That’s smart honestly
@@thecrazedcardz : In today’s overpriced and overhyped market, I find it far more economical to just search for the cards I want. No more overpaying for inflated hobby boxes or rigged re-packs. We’re in a period of a J.W.E. 2.0, where speculation brings-out the worst scammers.
The pictures were lacking and that’s on the seller, but it’s also important as a buyer to avoid listings that don’t clearly show the cards condition - including corners. Genuine question and I mean this respectfully - NM by PSA standards is a 7-10, the reality is this would likely get somewhere in that rating. Is that not what you bought? From a sellers perspective, seems like many people buy a NM card and complain when it’s not mint / won’t grade a 10.
True you have a very good point. I guess can’t really complain at the end of the day. It was my choice and just knowing that they’re listed at NM doesn’t mean they’re in pristine condition
If the card has a visible flaw that the seller does not disclose, and the card is listed as NR MT, it doesn't matter if the seller "accepts" returns. That constitutes "item not as described" and they have no choice but to accept the return. They also have to pay for your return shipping expenses.
I wonder after they took the photo when they put it back in the penny sleeve they dinged the corner not realizing
Hmmm idk about that
Started buying and selling cards on eBay is a GRIND! Selling sucks because it’s the best place to sell but the fees are BRUTAL
Yup fees SUCKKKKK but at least you can still profit. Other places like FB Marketplace and joining Discord groups will help take away fees and you can profit way more
FACTS
Probstein is garbage, DC Sports and Burbank are way worse in my experience, there come a point when you get to large as a seller to actually give an F about what you sell....in the sense that they may not have time (or the desire) to accurately list cards. In my experience all of these huge consigners are trash, will accept anyone's trash to sell and should be avoid at all costs, for raw cards. Whenever I see raw listings from any of these three clown companies I won't even click on it.
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 I couldn’t agree more now that I think about it. Thanks for your input
They are forced to take a return if item is not as described and doesn't matter what they say if it is not as described.
Gotcha
you bought a raw card from p..bstein? that is a big no no. The only reason that store isnt banned is because he is a major shareholder of ebay.
owners of 5% or more of a public company are listed/disclosed by law, and he is not one of them.
First time I've ever bought from them. Thanks for the advice as I won't ever do it again
Good to know!
I doubt he owns 5 percent of ebay @@theboringchannel2027
If you ever buy a raw card from ebay, I always try to get a hold of the owner and ask specific questions about the card. If it's a big company that doesn't respond to your messages, just move on.
Wemby select cards have black backs it’s going to be hard to gem even if it didn’t have a defect
I am 100 percent honest on cards I sell, if it has a print line I say so, but mostly I don't even bother listing those cause I don't want issues and have a perfect rating.
Return it…. Are you kidding me? eBay will take it back
I did lol thank God
No matter if the listing says no returns or refund you are still a saved by the eBay buyer guarantee policy. You have 3 days from delivery of the item to request a refund. You need to take a picture of the issue and file a claim. If the seller did not disclose an issue put that in the message. I have always received a refund from seller if there is an issue like that. Hope this helps.
It definitely helped. Thanks for the suggestions!
Even as someone who has only been back in the hobby for 6 weeks, I was able to figure out who you bought the card from. you didn't do a great job of hiding the seller's identity. my guess is the card was damaged somewhere between the time the photos were taken for the listing until the time you made the video. if you live "PSA 10 or bust," these are the chances you take. As others have said, "near mint or better" is a 7, 8, 9, or 10 and it seems you have that.
I agree with you. Thank you for your insight
I've heard that even if a seller says they do not accept refunds, you can call up ebay and press them and get a return. I offer free returns for this reason.
You’re right
ebay sides with the buyer. Ive been a buyer/seller for over 20 years. As others have said, mark it as "not as described". They have to take it back. Dont mail it back until ebay tells you too and a shipping label is provided by them.
Got it. I'll definitely do that! Thank you very much 🙏
Here is Ebay standard for near mint.
Near mint or better
Comparable to a fresh pack
Flaws may include:
Minor corner and edge wear
Sellers set the condition of ungraded cards on eBay based on our ungraded condition guidelines. Per eBay guidelines, the most significant flaw will anchor the condition of the card.
That corner dent does not meet the standard. First contact the seller about returning it for refund and if that goes nowhere then file an INAD. No returns mean nothing when Item Not As Described is filed. Pictures and scans never show flaws very well.
@@craigwinans1948 thank you for all of this valuable info man! I did contact them about returning it and they accepted, so I’ll be getting a full refund. Very happy about that
@@thecrazedcardz I sell low end cards on Ebay and sometimes you miss a flaw or a corner goes in the sleeve wrong and dents it or flakes off a piece. An honest seller will refund but might ask for the card to be returned that's why I stated to contact seller first. Glad it all worked out for you.
Also Ebay nongraded allows some leeway in their grades so buyers should expect 8 and be happy if they get better.
Win some lose some all part of the game. You can always return the card if the description doesn't match the condition
Just because they don't accept returns doesnt mean eBay won't force them to if you provide pictures and details as soon as you get the card.
Also give them bad feedback
@@tylermarley9159 I was able to return it and get a full refund thank god 🙏🏽
Happens a lot unfortunately. I hate thise big consignment sellers cause they use their cookie cutter description for every item. You would need to send them questions on whatever item youre looking to bid on to get any sort of assurance. To be able to just say, "look at the pics, this is what you're bidding on"...is total bs...most of the time scanners dont provide enough detail to be able to determine condition. Just be careful on ebay. If youre not sure, make sure you contact seller.
Speaking nothing but the truth 💯
Something that glaring has to be disclosed. Of course it could have happened during packaging, but that is still on the seller. You are covered through eBay. The seller may not have to refund your money, but eBay will.
Completely agreed bro. I requested a return and surprisingly the seller accepted. So I sent it back and got a full refund 😎
Exact same thing happened to me on an Adley Rutschman rookie auto. Sucks but kept it.
A dinged corner should have been noted, but a seller who sells a lot of cards is probably not going to look over every card they sell. But a card of that stature should have been looked over. Assume raw cards are 8-9s, and if you grade them and get a 10, then you got lucky! IF PEOPLE WANT 10'S, THEN BUY 10'S! Don't blame sellers as nobody purposely ruins a card. . . quality control of many cards fresh from packs sucks! Customer service for exchanging these damaged cards sucks as well! Everyone all the way up the chain takes risks!
Facts 💯
Send it back to the card company, maybe damage it more first.. I know a guy who does that and they usually replace it and even throw in extras
I buy my cards off Facebook groups. Can get better close up pictures
Good idea and yeah for sure
Looks like you got a Burbank sports product, welcome to the club my friend
Haha nah it was from another company
I buy about 95% of my cards on Ebay. Why? It is easier looking for what I want instead of searching card shows and shops. All of my cards are raw. I bought a few slabs and all of them were PSA 8 or less. I don't really care to sell them, this is for my PC collection and they are basically for display purposes. In fact, the cards that I got on slabs have really no value to anyone unless you collected those cards during the junk wax era. The era of my childhood. The thing I buy is vintage baseball cards (1960 or before) and IP autos of the junk wax era 1987-1993. All of my autos are not authenticated but it doesn't matter to me. I am not selling them. I guess I can brag that I have a Shohei Ohtani, Aaron Judge and soon I will have mutliple Mike Trout and Ohtani's autos on cards next week.
Love it man thank you for sharing
I take high resolution pictures on my ebay account. It takes me countless hours to do it but I want my customers to see the quality of the card they are purchasing. And also...do not buy any card that only has photos of the card in the sleeve. Even if the description says gem mint. All my cards are outside the penny sleeves and you can even see lint on it.
Great advice and love that you’re transparent and take high quality pics of your cards 💯
I bought Slabs from Prob before, they usually come scratched. I stay away of getting raws from them. I buy raws from Murozond, they usually list all the flaws of the cards honestly.
@@DanRipz thanks for the info 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
The reason Ebay stinks all in one video. Reason I always put Very Good in condition. I have cards that looked like a 10 and got an 8, same in reverse. People will start suing PSA soon over grading standards.
Facts
Ive had people do this shit when they buy blu rays from me on ebay. insane
That is crazy wtf
All this video tell me is you dont know how to buy, unfortunately. If you want clean cards buy from me! I'm one of the few sellers left on Ebay that doesn't grade and is always selling very gradable sports cards. I take great photos and if anything is wrong with a card you will see it on the photos or on the description. Best of luck!
@@southerncalicards nice marketing pitch haha but nah thanks. I do need to not impulse buy on a lot of cards and look more thoroughly
@@thecrazedcardz im being so honest that you think its a marketing pitch. I love it! LOL
@@southerncalicards hahaha nah I know man I’m just kidding about that
Just mark it as "Item not as described" and they have to take it back or file a chargeback.
@@jmill3147 I did already and they accepted my return. I’ll get a refund too
Prob is too big to give you individual grades and flaws on cards.
@@jerrelbean true
😂😂😂 this is all online platforms. Common practice for a big seller to use a default description. Also, NEVER assume something will be a 10. Dumbest thing I've ever heard is expecting that. If that's what you expect, buy it graded already
@@richardbianco9674 true true you’re right
You had a three day return window because the item was not as described. Sellers cannot back out of a return if you claim item not as described. Ive had to do it before on non returnable listings and won the case and got to keep item with a refund.
Gotcha. I ended up filing a claim and never hearing back from eBay since. I'll contact them again to follow up and see if I can win it too. Thanks man!
@@thecrazedcardz good luck man. I know with cards its a 3 day window for filing for some reason. The items ive had to claim on were not cards but were sold as non returnable.
You should be able to get a return
I dont buy cards that have pictures of the card in a top loader!
Thats because eBay provides free of most labor, eabay honestly needs to be held accountable, i will say if some1 uses product stock photos from another site that seller on eabay gets charge an absurd "gallery photo" fee, but none the less eBay is aiding with schiesters selling on ebay that do not need to be their, ebay "says" they are trying to clean out all the bad sellers & keep the reputable 1's, so whats the incentive for reputable sellers ?, like we deal with shyty buyers all the time & eBay more times than not sides with them, so what was the incentive for reputable sellers again, not most items sold or completed sales but reputable , c'mon eaby stop with the were sorry & that you understand show, JUST BE BETTER, ALL MONEY AINT GOOD MONEY !
1 out 15 cards have a flaw in my experience
I bought a Pavel Bure PSA 8 card off eBay and just got it today. It was only 20 dollars but as soon as I looked at it I noticed a faint mark in the top white part of the card. This mark was not shown on the images provided by the seller. I had to look the card number up on the PSA site and zoom in on that area of the card to see it. I'm really disappointed.. These faint marks are hard to see in pictures but are really noticeable in person. I left the guy a bad review because he obviously blurred that part out somehow on the picture he provided and didn't mention any mark in the description.
Ah man I'm very sorry to hear that and that is unfortunate. That is very true, as it is very difficult to see the faint marks on slabs or raw cards, which makes it rough for us buyers who think they're in better condition. Good that you left a bad review.
Its a psa 8 its graded. I doubt he blurred it out.
@@thecrazedcardzhow was it good to give a negative the card is graded a psa 8 why would he blue something out its a $20 card and its graded
@@annetteavery4930 in my opinion if you're selling a card you need to put that in the description. And the picture provided did not show the faint mark but the one on the PSA site did. So maybe the image was just lower quality. I provided pictures too in my review so people can see the difference.
@@annetteavery4930 also waiting two weeks to ship a card deserves a negative review by itself.
When I Sell Cards I Always Put Condition and Sold As Is
That's very good that you are transparent
Yup. Bought ken griffey jr on auction. I think paid 70 something. Nicely centered. Sharp corners and there was a crease on th middle left from it being in a binder. It wasn't disclosed. Contacted the seller and never got a reply. Never again. What a shite.
Sucks man it really does. Sorry to hear that. I wish everyone had to be completely honest and describe what flaws there are. Seriously taking advantage of ppl
1989 uppwr deck ken griffey jr. RC*.
Never buy raw from Probstein expecting pristine product
I appreciate the feedback
Couple things here.
1. Don't buy a scanned card if you can't handle the gamble.
2. Ask for corner pics.
3. Wanting someone to fo the job for you then getting upset it's not what it's made out to be... should've been you're lesson.
If every card that was listed as mint or didn't post flaws graded a 10 then the business would be easy.
It's like a used car salesmen... you gotta know what to buy and you have to know how to sell it... don't blame someone for not doing the job for you.
Just return the card lmao instead of crying on youtube
They probably damaged it when they slide it back in the holder. Yes they are horrible at communications and ebay let's them do what they want.
Very unfortunate to know and it sucks that because of how large of a shop these guys are, eBay will give them the benefit of the doubt over any seller
Lumbee Legend
Send it back for a return my friend
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lol just by the address everyone knows who you got that card from .
Lol true
Yep you got duped
Sadly...
It's absolutely ridiculous that these sellers list cards as near mint or better when the card is full of flaws. eBay needs to crack down on this. I always leave negative feedback when this happens, regardless if returns are accepted or not and I always file an item not as described claim with eBay.
THIS is why I despise Whatnot! That platform is insanely worse! On eBay, you find a reliable group of sellers and roll with them. Buy from anyone else, and you get what you pay for. That's every platform, unfortunately. All you can do to minimize the risk is to buy from sellers who didn't burn you or go to shows in person.
Dude, EXACTLY! They should all be penalized for this by eBay as they are basically scamming so many buyers out there, screwing them over including myself. I appreciate the suggestions man!
If you want Ebay to go after them Buyers have to do INAD's first.
I sell cards on eBay and honestly that's not really an honest mistake. As a seller I am very aware of the condition of the cards and it sucks but when it's not in good condition you have to post that information. You weren't really doing a service to anybody by blocking out the name at the very least you need to leave a firm but fair review so other people can be made aware including the seller.Just my two cents Good luck with your collection
Much appreciated man and yeah, I should’ve just disclosed who it was. I’m sure a lot of people already know but by me not letting everyone know, it doesn’t help 🤦🏻♂️
dont i agree
@@thecrazedcardz yeah for sure you should man I don't know who you were talking about and I buy cards all the time. I had a really good seller claim to have shipped a box of cards to me He never shipped it He was just keeping my money for a couple of weeks. Anyways things happen Hope you pull some bangers
I've never really had a bad experience buying cards on eBay. I'm just incredibly cheap and picky before I make decisions.
That’s a good trait