S&W has been doing great recently with every firearm they release. They are great reliable guns with lots of features at an awesome price point. They deserve so much more praise and attention. In my opinion they are much better than Glock and Sig.
My Shield Plus PC model was DOA, and wasn't fixed even with two trips to the factory. Whereas I've had no issues whatsoever with any of my Sigs or my Glocks.
@@hopewilliams6705 Two times and over a six month period, they should have done something for me. Not even a stinkin' sticker. Yeah, that's how bad it was...
@@whatwouldlewdo I have had an experience like that with a different manufacturer... I wasn't degrading your experience. I was completely blindsided after I bought my 320 and a month later Saw something on the Internet about a voluntary upgrade I was thinking I finally bought a decent brand pistol and now this. LoL I will say the process went good all in All.
When you have section of the barrel without rifling is called counterbore, this is not done for recoil feel or expansion of gases. Counterbore is done so that the bullet does not jump from the end or rifling to rifling again on the other side of a large port on a barrel which. An easily modify the spin and affect accuracy. Counterboring creates an internal crown maintaining the accuracy and not allowing the porting cut to interfere with it
@@TheGentlemanGunner I forgot YT does not allow links in the comments section. _"Countersink vs. Counterbore Holes in Machining: Differences and Uses"_ by Xometry [December 16, 2022] Stay classy my friend.
I was in between a P365 AXG Legion or the M&P 2.0 Metal, and when I saw S&W released the 2.0 Metal Carry Comp I got it immediately!! Cant wait to hit the range with it this weekend!
Although not fired back to back, I have shot this and the Canik TTI Combat and I don't feel the Canik came anywhere close in terms of feel and return to zero.
So far, after 500 rounds with mine. Nice pistol. I own Smith&Wesson 1st gen 2.0 M&P metal that came out back in November of 2022. Once again. Smith&Wesson. 👌👍
@@MoneyShot_CM based on size of the frame/barrel (G19ish /size), I’d probably would put it up against a 365 Macro rather than this as I’d have a higher engagement with the gun due to having a fairly solid grip for me. I’ll do the comparison against the XR920P as I think that’ll yield some interesting data
Great video you must be a mind reader! This metal ported M&P looks very interesting. Glad you liked it initially, and hope carrying it and the optic go well looking forward to the 1k video.
I'm glad you discussed accuracy with this hand gun. I haven't watched all reviews of it yet. However, all the ones I've found do not discuss the accuracy. I bring this up because I recently bought this gun. On my range day I felt it was not as accurate as the previous non-comp 2.0 metal version. With my non comp, I can stack shots . Point of aim point of impact. I must say I do not recall drifting the sights any. Im pretty sure it was dead on right out of the box for me. I day that because with the comp version, it's hitting left. No problem on that a simple adjustment or possibly just getting used to the new sights. However, my group size has greatly opened up. Again, possibly the new sights, but I dont believe so. I slowed down, took my time, and still not impressed with my shooting. I will try different ammo as you did and get more practice with it. Perhaps things may change. At this time, I prefer my original 2.0 metal. It's not just the groups but the trigger and weight of it fill better too. For now, anyway.
@@silverbackgorilla2112I have shot both. And I am in the same mindset as you, I love both guns. The SS is more for me ergonomically and extremely flat. I love the SS look and feel. But the M&P was more reliable than SS from my experience (and also pretty flat) at the range about 500 rounds each, 4 of us shot. I wish the M&P trigger reset was more audible and pushed you out a little more. Not one hiccup with M&P and shadow systems was finicky the whole time. Every 50-60 rounds we had an issue, even more so in the first 250-300. That being said, I put reliability as factor number one and would choose the M&P as they shoot very similar.
@@silverbackgorilla2112 so I am SERIOUSLY considering going to my Scheels and grabbing an XR920P. I like to have 3 guns for a shoot out video and this came on my radar last night!
@@TheGentlemanGunner I would like to see it. I owned a DR920P Elite (Bronze Barrel) that I should have kept because it was an awesome shooter. I see the XR920P Elite in my future.
Carried a 19 for 15 years. Still have 3 Glocks, but I carry my Shield + and my 9c 2.0 Spec. I'll never not have a 19 (well, MR920E now) but the S&W just shoot better for me.
Great review! Looks like a nice blaster. Don't know about the value at 1000.00 but that's on par with the TTI Canik which is polymer framed, if I recall. How does the aluminium recoil impulse feel compared to polymer? There is not a large weight difference so I'm curious what the benefit is. I noticed no difference in the standard metal M&P and the polymer in amount of felt recoil but the character of the recoil was a little different.
I don't feel the metal frame makes much difference in terms of felt recoil in the M&P - I think it's advantage comes by way of ergonomics and better traction over the polymer variant.
I feel like the aluminum frame is perceived a little more snappy than the polymer. The flexibility of the polymer frame really does soak up more than I thought it would.
This is easily the best look M&P in history. Huge kudos to them for pricing it well too. I wish I needed one, but I just can't swing it right now. Happy and safe shooting. Cheers PS, forgot to add, I can't legally buy a comp'd model in my state anyway....LOL. That makes zero sense, but hey, I follow the rules.
@@nickmurdaugh9856 The Ergonomics of this gun make feel a tad more confident shooting it. I’d say the Zev overall is a touch more refined (or at least feels that way) so tighter tolerances on the frame to slide and consistent throughout the gun on other items. If both were in front of me (and they were at there actual MSRPs)… I’d take this all day long for the value, ergos and performance it delivers
Great first impressions review. I noticed you said the gun was on par with the Sig P365 AXG Legion and LTT PX4 Compact. You think after you put a red dot on it and a few more rounds through it that it will certainly beat the time and HF on the 25 yard bill drill against those guns? Seems to already run faster/flatter than them? How is your confidence in shooting it and its return to zero compared to those guns? I see the grip texture is aggressive but did you wish they included more texture higher up on the grip (on the sides by the beaver tail) or no it was fine as is? Lastly, have you ever ran the radian ramjet for glock or the new one for the sig macro? If so, you think a ramjet'd glock or sig shoots flatter than this M&P? Thank you sir
Some solid questions here! At distance, I personally think it will be close… especially when I put a Red Dot on it. For me and at that distance, when I have an RDS attached to it… I’m shooting reactive to the dot and can make adjustments if I call a bad shot. Its return to zero is quick but with a gentler return… so tracking it will be easier. That said, my confidence would be higher on this gun. As far as grip, for me and how I grip… my support gains more support from the back strap and side in the area for my support hand… it works for me. I did drop this off to David and he pointed that out fairly quickly and I think his persective will better answer that once his video drops. I say that not to build anticipation for his video… but I put pressure on the grip different than he does and it just doesn’t affect me as others might see that. I’ve never ran a Radian Ramjet, so I couldn’t speak to it. Maybe one day I’ll grab one to play around with
I bought one yesterday, after I just ordered an Apex trigger for my old M&P 2.0 Optics Ready Compact last weekend to finally replace the terrible hinge trigger. Welp.
Ammo. On my 1st gen 2.0 M&P metal, i always ran PSA 124g. GOOD ammo. After just over 4,300 rounds on my 1st gen 2.0 M&P metal. Only had 2 light premier hits. VERY accurate
Looking forward to more on this. Love the M&P 2.0s they’re very underrated. I’m curious if the apex metal triggers would work in this, as well as if the Holosun SCS made for direct mounting on other M&Ps would also direct mount on this.
Spot on, I was thinking the same thing. I see no reason why the Apex M&P triggers would not work, but I'm going to call first to be sure. Direct mount would be nice, but once you go to the large window Holosun (507c) I couldn't imagine going back.
I'm not sure how old the m&p with an apex trigger you shot was, but none of my 2.0's even have a hint of a rolling break. The takeup is fairly long, but they have 0 creep at all. Once you hit the wall, all it can do is break. These are fairly close, but I still went with apex on my spec series metal gun! Ported and compensated, flat apex trigger, and a magwell 👌
I just picked up an M&P 2.0 metal a few months ago and I am soooo surprised at how good the pistol is. I just wish I waited a bit longer and got the comped one lol
@@revvaddictz I have been thinking of just buying a threaded barrel and comp for it but I’m not sure if I should do that or just go with a ported barrel/slide
@@jessco8950 if im being honest FOR ME from my guns i find the Ports and Comps on barrel work better that a threaded barrel/Aftermarket comp!!! But that kills your warranty so 🤷🏻♂️ But you get good results either way
@@wallytuber Had no idea what metal they were made of. All I know if the first gun I was issued, S&W 5946 was heavy as a brick. Rumor has it that a perp or two might have been hit with them back in the day.
@TheGentlemanGunner O yea. After I installed mine. And felt the difference on how my shooting hands pinky felt settled down into the magwell a much more 💪 tighter 💪 grip. That if you, REALLY like a 💪 texture grip. DC tactical aggressive grip kit. 💪👌. You can be POURING sweat. That pistol not going anywhere.
I learned pistol on G19 back in the early days of Glock first coming to America. I loved the G-19. Since then I've grown to love so many other brands, I don't own a Glock. I'm no hater, buy not a huge fan either
I think 1000 is a very fair price. That said, the firearms market is currently saturated and once the initial hype on these is done, you'll likely be able to get one for 800 ish...IMO. With this being an election year, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been an uptick in business in the firearms industry. Weird
Interesting about your 25 yard accuracy. I am really liking this gun for a lot of the reasons you mention, but did get strange results at 25. I finally got a SRO mounted and went out to zero. At 10 it was fine but at 25 it was quite disappointing, almost as bad as my Sig 320's. I am not a great 25 yard B8 shooter and thought maybe I was having a bad day. I went back up to 10 and did trigger control at speed averaging a .16 shot and put 4 rounds on the same hole with 1 a bit low. Weird. Anyway it should make a good IDPA gun for me.
@@cedartop1 I want put more time with it to see if I can sort that out and revisit it. On a side note… I don’t think I know anyone that can do .16 splits at 10yds through the same hole… that’s impressive and hats off to you!
@@TheGentlemanGunner to be clear. Not .16 splits. Running trigger control at speed I am just mashing the trigger as fast and hard as possible on the beep for separate shots. The .16 is basically the reaction time.
Both you and the Humble Marksman seem to be fans of the “soft shooting” Buffalo Creek as ammo. After trying a box and comparing it to my 147 grain hand loads and factory 147 grain loads,I have to say, the BC ammo is definitely not as soft shooting as my hand loads and doesn’t seem any softer than other factory loads. Just my experience with the Bul Armory 5” TAC Pro and my SA ported Platypus.
@@bobg1443 when I did my ammo video, I was thinking about doing a video on what type of ammo does what to a gun… such as… “what is soft ammo?” “Why would use 115 over 147?” … something to that effect. So your perspective is helpful and that’s where my mind went.
@@wisesage3289 I’ll include in the 1000rd video. But I’m prepping for IDPA Nats and “trying” my best to stay focused at matches… so no other guns at matches for me for a short time 😬 In case you’re curious though… obviously good for CO/ESP. It has the potential to be in CCP just not legal as is… you’d have to look at either lower sights or thin basepads… but it’s within margin
@@ericquintana1900 Slide (per S&W) stainless steel with Armornite finish. The frame, I couldn’t find a clear answer on this. In person, it feels like Cerakote. I’d did find on the other Metal (aluminum) frames… they Cerakote them
I heard a S&W rep at the SHOT show call the 1854 44 mag a “throw back to our heritage”. I’m a 10mm guy since about 1990. Super excited with the S&W M&P 10… bought two. Both jammed regularly, (failure to feed), The magazine fell out the bottom while shooting in both, and on one the supplied plastic optics plate cracked, the screws sheered, and my RMR flew backwards over my head. I sent them back to S&W twice. Failure to feeds continued after receiving them back each time. Called a third time and was transferred to a girl who sounded quite young. She interrupted me, talked over me, and told me that my request that S&W exchange my pistols wasn’t going to happen since the issues were fixable. And she said that I “should shoot better quality ammo”. I guess higher quality than the Federal, Fiocci, Mag Tech, Sig, and Hornady that I had written them about failing, and that I spent a fortune on testing their guns. I filed a BBB complaint but through mediation had no confidence in S&W’s offer to “service my guns”, (for the third time). I wonder if engineering a defective product and then having an arrogant and entitled sounding young lady dismiss your victims is also a throwback to S&W’s heritage; or perhaps rather, they are turning over in their graves.
@@theshrimpmeister7699 Here are others who had the same "operator errors" that I had. Perhaps you are thie one who is ignorant. th-cam.com/video/YzDC2SXYkTU/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/sm15IvZoOlY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/ryotDLrMgcA/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/SNZWCaHPkmQ/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Xm0Lc-8RUIQ/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/yNe73hjJZLg/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/GaKaInxd-B4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/36L0XMF_ZNM/w-d-xo.html www.glocktalk.com/threads/has-s-w-addressed-the-problems-of-the-m-p-10mm.1941460/ www.reddit.com/r/10mm/comments/wzi080/another_sw_10mm_problems_post/ www.smithandwessonforums.com/threads/m-p-m2-0-10mm-issue.224402/
@@theshrimpmeister7699 Here are others who had the same "operator errors" that I had. Perhaps you are thie one who is ignorant. th-cam.com/video/YzDC2SXYkTU/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/sm15IvZoOlY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/ryotDLrMgcA/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/SNZWCaHPkmQ/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Xm0Lc-8RUIQ/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/yNe73hjJZLg/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/GaKaInxd-B4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/36L0XMF_ZNM/w-d-xo.html www.glocktalk.com/threads/has-s-w-addressed-the-problems-of-the-m-p-10mm.1941460/ www.reddit.com/r/10mm/comments/wzi080/another_sw_10mm_problems_post/ www.smithandwessonforums.com/threads/m-p-m2-0-10mm-issue.224402/
That’s a hard one… For EDC, I’d give it to the 365 Legion largely due to size and my confidence level on that platform is general high as I have quite a bit of time on that platform. Considering Competition… this gun as I like ergonomics and how this gun balances. The added weight (although not by much) and nicer trigger would make a touch more confident engaging targets with some distances to it. Overall it’s tough for me. I think I want to spend more time on this platform and circle back this thought after I do the 1000rd video. If you can tell, not one or the other jumps out to me over the other
would love to see smith put out something to rival the rival lol fs steel frame and a 5 inch comped barrel with suppressor height sights. basically this gun but steel instead of aluminum and a full size slide/barrel i know they have the competitor but that thing is butt ugly
This is not “likes faster ammo”. GBguns has their traditional “what’s for dinner” test. Turns out that every gun has its liked and hated ammo with absolutely no relation to a bullet speed. You just test them all and find one that puts all hits on a dime.
@@rodrigoroaduterte9415 oh interesting, so increased velocity against the rifling doesn’t create a quicker spinning bullet and in turn improve accuracy?
@@benfox383 Unfortunately you’re incorrect… someone else did the research for us… “I Initially thought the same. Then I fact checked: Classic Firearms used this intro first on May 28th, 2023. The Gentleman Gunner has used it since their first video on October 7th, 2021.” Credit and thank you to @mikey899 Also, since this gets mentioned by at least two special people everytime I make a video now… I’m going to leave advice at the end of these. Advice… instead of watching Classic Firearms (and even mine)… you could dry fire or live fire and watch your skills grow! Your welcome 😂
I dont care who came up with it first, if a major gun channel is using my intro song, or vice versa, I would change it immediately. What are you doing?
@@LightofRyga if that’s the most important concern going on in their life… they can search for the truth and stick around or they need to improve their general quality life… because that’s just sad
@@TheGentlemanGunner I guess we're just different then. I value originality and uniqueness. If I made something and it came out the same as someone else's I would feel ashamed and subpar to the point where I would force myself to come up with something original. But thats just me I guess.
@@LightofRyga I hear you and for my perspective… my originality and uniqueness is in different areas. But its seems irrational to change a fairly immaterial portion of my content because another channel decided to use the music (that everyone else has access to) I had been using since I started the channel. So my question to you is (and say this because I sincerely want to understand this)… if that’s important to people… then why has no one gone to them and asked the same question? And if uniqueness and originality important… why challenge me and not them?
its a big ol' port. not a compensator. comps have plates/baffles for gasses to work against going forward, and having a giant hole in the end so the barrel can go thru negates it. this, the old glock c models, etc are all ported guns, not compensated. it looks like a decent pistol, albeit expensive for what it is. but it is what it is, not what they call it. end of the day , garbage in, garbage out. quality ammo matters.
You are absolutely wrong…ports are cut into the rifling portion of the barrel as where a comp is not cut into the rifling and in many cases even attached.
This gun is a total rip off, in fact any polymer gun turned into the aluminum version is a rip off. The metal frame transfers ALL of the recoil into you, making this a MUCH WORSE shooter than its polymer counter part which is LESS THAN HALF the price of the metal version. S&W is beholden to its shareholders and they've realized all they need to do is manufacture the same guns they've always had, but in aluminum (even though it structurally makes the gun worse), and they can charge absorbent amounts for what costs them almost nothing to manufacture. They fund Anti-2A campaigns for marketing the same way big tobacco funds anti-smoking groups, since it's illegal to advertise in the traditional sense for their actual products. S&W has become a democratic run gun company determined to take your gun rights away, which logically, is exactly what a left leaning gun company would do to itself and its customers.
M&P Metal Carry Comp vs TTI Combat vs XR920P video is out!
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S&W has been doing great recently with every firearm they release. They are great reliable guns with lots of features at an awesome price point. They deserve so much more praise and attention. In my opinion they are much better than Glock and Sig.
I agree 💯...! I'm in the process of saving up for the competitor... And going to send it off to get 8 ports
My Shield Plus PC model was DOA, and wasn't fixed even with two trips to the factory. Whereas I've had no issues whatsoever with any of my Sigs or my Glocks.
@@whatwouldlewdo you obviously didn't get a "voluntary" upgrade model
@@hopewilliams6705 Two times and over a six month period, they should have done something for me. Not even a stinkin' sticker. Yeah, that's how bad it was...
@@whatwouldlewdo I have had an experience like that with a different manufacturer... I wasn't degrading your experience. I was completely blindsided after I bought my 320 and a month later Saw something on the Internet about a voluntary upgrade I was thinking I finally bought a decent brand pistol and now this. LoL I will say the process went good all in All.
This is the most excited I’ve been over a m&P handgun. Nice job S&W
When you have section of the barrel without rifling is called counterbore, this is not done for recoil feel or expansion of gases. Counterbore is done so that the bullet does not jump from the end or rifling to rifling again on the other side of a large port on a barrel which. An easily modify the spin and affect accuracy. Counterboring creates an internal crown maintaining the accuracy and not allowing the porting cut to interfere with it
I can see that and makes sense. I’d like to look more into this, do you have an article or video you can refer me to?
@@TheGentlemanGunner I forgot YT does not allow links in the comments section.
_"Countersink vs. Counterbore Holes in Machining: Differences and Uses"_ by Xometry [December 16, 2022]
Stay classy my friend.
@@BertShackleford thank you! I can certainly look that up
This was the best video on this gun so far great work
I was in between a P365 AXG Legion or the M&P 2.0 Metal, and when I saw S&W released the 2.0 Metal Carry Comp I got it immediately!! Cant wait to hit the range with it this weekend!
My first firearm was a smith and wesson been my favorite brand ever since!!
Although not fired back to back, I have shot this and the Canik TTI Combat and I don't feel the Canik came anywhere close in terms of feel and return to zero.
Always enjoy your reviews and M&P's are great guns.
So far, after 500 rounds with mine. Nice pistol. I own Smith&Wesson 1st gen 2.0 M&P metal that came out back in November of 2022. Once again. Smith&Wesson. 👌👍
I just found your channel. Very well done; you have a new subscriber. Do you know if the Holosun SCS for the M&P will direct mount on this pistol?
@@stevestone5671 yes, with their MP2
Any thoughts on this versus the cr920xp? I know that is polymer frame, but the price points are pretty close
@@MoneyShot_CM based on size of the frame/barrel (G19ish /size), I’d probably would put it up against a 365 Macro rather than this as I’d have a higher engagement with the gun due to having a fairly solid grip for me. I’ll do the comparison against the XR920P as I think that’ll yield some interesting data
M&P 2.0 has come a long way, Looking forward to seeing after 1k round review.
Looking to replace my VP9 for EDC. This one is definitely at the top of the list. Looking forward to your follow up testing.
Great video you must be a mind reader! This metal ported M&P looks very interesting. Glad you liked it initially, and hope carrying it and the optic go well looking forward to the 1k video.
I'm glad you discussed accuracy with this hand gun. I haven't watched all reviews of it yet. However, all the ones I've found do not discuss the accuracy. I bring this up because I recently bought this gun. On my range day I felt it was not as accurate as the previous non-comp 2.0 metal version. With my non comp, I can stack shots . Point of aim point of impact. I must say I do not recall drifting the sights any. Im pretty sure it was dead on right out of the box for me. I day that because with the comp version, it's hitting left. No problem on that a simple adjustment or possibly just getting used to the new sights. However, my group size has greatly opened up. Again, possibly the new sights, but I dont believe so. I slowed down, took my time, and still not impressed with my shooting. I will try different ammo as you did and get more practice with it. Perhaps things may change. At this time, I prefer my original 2.0 metal. It's not just the groups but the trigger and weight of it fill better too. For now, anyway.
Looking at the M&P 2.0, Beretta APX A1 or Canik TTI for my first semi 9mm, so thanks for the review and hoping you review the TTI
I know it's for M&P but this reminds me of the porting done by Monsoon Tactical . It should work fine.
Good, useful review. Thanks from an old gunner.
Thanks for the great review. This one is next on my radar. Let's see if the price will come down just a bit
Would love to see you do a compare video on this vs sig p365 axg legion. Deciding between those 2 for concealed carry right now & I’m torn
Great Review, very well done! I've been considering this S&W and/or a SS XR920P Elite.
M&P easy, you'll thank me later
@@awokeone7997 Have you shot both?
@@silverbackgorilla2112I have shot both. And I am in the same mindset as you, I love both guns.
The SS is more for me ergonomically and extremely flat. I love the SS look and feel. But the M&P was more reliable than SS from my experience (and also pretty flat) at the range about 500 rounds each, 4 of us shot. I wish the M&P trigger reset was more audible and pushed you out a little more.
Not one hiccup with M&P and shadow systems was finicky the whole time. Every 50-60 rounds we had an issue, even more so in the first 250-300.
That being said, I put reliability as factor number one and would choose the M&P as they shoot very similar.
@@silverbackgorilla2112 so I am SERIOUSLY considering going to my Scheels and grabbing an XR920P. I like to have 3 guns for a shoot out video and this came on my radar last night!
@@TheGentlemanGunner I would like to see it. I owned a DR920P Elite (Bronze Barrel) that I should have kept because it was an awesome shooter. I see the XR920P Elite in my future.
Great review and glad you worked out the speed vs accuracy with the ammo.
Carried a 19 for 15 years. Still have 3 Glocks, but I carry my Shield + and my 9c 2.0 Spec. I'll never not have a 19 (well, MR920E now) but the S&W just shoot better for me.
Great review! Looks like a nice blaster. Don't know about the value at 1000.00 but that's on par with the TTI Canik which is polymer framed, if I recall. How does the aluminium recoil impulse feel compared to polymer? There is not a large weight difference so I'm curious what the benefit is. I noticed no difference in the standard metal M&P and the polymer in amount of felt recoil but the character of the recoil was a little different.
I don't feel the metal frame makes much difference in terms of felt recoil in the M&P - I think it's advantage comes by way of ergonomics and better traction over the polymer variant.
I feel like the aluminum frame is perceived a little more snappy than the polymer. The flexibility of the polymer frame really does soak up more than I thought it would.
I mean, the gun can be used as a club if needed. Not so much for plastic framed guns
@@celphalonred1999LOL
This is easily the best look M&P in history. Huge kudos to them for pricing it well too. I wish I needed one, but I just can't swing it right now. Happy and safe shooting. Cheers PS, forgot to add, I can't legally buy a comp'd model in my state anyway....LOL. That makes zero sense, but hey, I follow the rules.
Excellent review! How did this shoot compared to the OZ9 Hypercomp?
@@nickmurdaugh9856 The Ergonomics of this gun make feel a tad more confident shooting it. I’d say the Zev overall is a touch more refined (or at least feels that way) so tighter tolerances on the frame to slide and consistent throughout the gun on other items. If both were in front of me (and they were at there actual MSRPs)… I’d take this all day long for the value, ergos and performance it delivers
@@TheGentlemanGunner Thanks!
Great first impressions review.
I noticed you said the gun was on par with the Sig P365 AXG Legion and LTT PX4 Compact. You think after you put a red dot on it and a few more rounds through it that it will certainly beat the time and HF on the 25 yard bill drill against those guns? Seems to already run faster/flatter than them? How is your confidence in shooting it and its return to zero compared to those guns?
I see the grip texture is aggressive but did you wish they included more texture higher up on the grip (on the sides by the beaver tail) or no it was fine as is?
Lastly, have you ever ran the radian ramjet for glock or the new one for the sig macro? If so, you think a ramjet'd glock or sig shoots flatter than this M&P?
Thank you sir
Some solid questions here!
At distance, I personally think it will be close… especially when I put a Red Dot on it. For me and at that distance, when I have an RDS attached to it… I’m shooting reactive to the dot and can make adjustments if I call a bad shot. Its return to zero is quick but with a gentler return… so tracking it will be easier. That said, my confidence would be higher on this gun.
As far as grip, for me and how I grip… my support gains more support from the back strap and side in the area for my support hand… it works for me. I did drop this off to David and he pointed that out fairly quickly and I think his persective will better answer that once his video drops. I say that not to build anticipation for his video… but I put pressure on the grip different than he does and it just doesn’t affect me as others might see that.
I’ve never ran a Radian Ramjet, so I couldn’t speak to it. Maybe one day I’ll grab one to play around with
Very interesting thanks again I appreciate it 👊
If you end up doing a comparison video with the Canik TTI, it would also be interesting to throw the Zev Hypercomp in the mix as well
I love it!
I bought one yesterday, after I just ordered an Apex trigger for my old M&P 2.0 Optics Ready Compact last weekend to finally replace the terrible hinge trigger. Welp.
Beautiful pistol. It would go good with my FPC carbine since they use the same magazines.
What a GREAT point! I’d completely forgotten S&W released that FPC due to all their other recent releases
Ammo. On my 1st gen 2.0 M&P metal, i always ran PSA 124g. GOOD ammo. After just over 4,300 rounds on my 1st gen 2.0 M&P metal. Only had 2 light premier hits. VERY accurate
Nicessss!!!! I haven’t heard bad things about M&Ps and they definitely hit the mark on this bad boy.
I've only heard bad things about M&P's 10mm. A lot of reliability issues. It steered me to RIA instead. I love my shield compacts.
Looking forward to more on this. Love the M&P 2.0s they’re very underrated. I’m curious if the apex metal triggers would work in this, as well as if the Holosun SCS made for direct mounting on other M&Ps would also direct mount on this.
@@seandurns110 I’m considering a “good to great” on it… so this helpful! Appreciate you watching and commenting all the vids!
Spot on, I was thinking the same thing. I see no reason why the Apex M&P triggers would not work, but I'm going to call first to be sure. Direct mount would be nice, but once you go to the large window Holosun (507c) I couldn't imagine going back.
A great, in depth review. Well done. Subscribed.
What's the point of the whole before the sight on the front?
Cant wait to pick this up
great review subscribed thanks !
I'm not sure how old the m&p with an apex trigger you shot was, but none of my 2.0's even have a hint of a rolling break. The takeup is fairly long, but they have 0 creep at all. Once you hit the wall, all it can do is break. These are fairly close, but I still went with apex on my spec series metal gun! Ported and compensated, flat apex trigger, and a magwell 👌
I just picked up an M&P 2.0 metal a few months ago and I am soooo surprised at how good the pistol is. I just wish I waited a bit longer and got the comped one lol
Send to Floyds Custom Gun shop get the Rebel port…. You’ll thank me later!!! 👍🏽
@@revvaddictz I have been thinking of just buying a threaded barrel and comp for it but I’m not sure if I should do that or just go with a ported barrel/slide
@@jessco8950 if im being honest FOR ME from my guns i find the Ports and Comps on barrel work better that a threaded barrel/Aftermarket comp!!! But that kills your warranty so 🤷🏻♂️
But you get good results either way
a steel frame with a magwell and baseplates from the factory would be a great competition gun
They have one with those features. It's called the M&P 2.0 competitor. Metal magwell and baseplates.
@@ILruffian He said steel frame gun. Like a canik rival s. The m&p competitor is aluminum frame.
@@wallytuber Had no idea what metal they were made of. All I know if the first gun I was issued, S&W 5946 was heavy as a brick. Rumor has it that a perp or two might have been hit with them back in the day.
I really wish S&W would design a real metal (steel) M&P. I think they would sell like crazy and shoot incredibly well.
Metals real metal
I love it. I just wish they would make a true compact 4 inch version with 15 rounds.
If you think about it and do like your pistol with a magwell on it. Look up Floyd's EDC magwell and base plates, for this Smith&Wesson.
@@jamesdelong6401 I may consider that!
@TheGentlemanGunner O yea. After I installed mine. And felt the difference on how my shooting hands pinky felt settled down into the magwell a much more 💪 tighter 💪 grip. That if you, REALLY like a 💪 texture grip. DC tactical aggressive grip kit. 💪👌. You can be POURING sweat. That pistol not going anywhere.
Welcome to the M&P club. I hope you don't hate glocks like I did after experiencing my first M&P. 😅
I learned pistol on G19 back in the early days of Glock first coming to America. I loved the G-19. Since then I've grown to love so many other brands, I don't own a Glock. I'm no hater, buy not a huge fan either
It’s a great looking gun and if it’s as good as you say, this could be the new “ look at what I got “. now $1k..? Well I’d like to see this at $800
Give it a little bit... The price will level out about 800
I think 1000 is a very fair price. That said, the firearms market is currently saturated and once the initial hype on these is done, you'll likely be able to get one for 800 ish...IMO. With this being an election year, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been an uptick in business in the firearms industry. Weird
Interesting about your 25 yard accuracy. I am really liking this gun for a lot of the reasons you mention, but did get strange results at 25. I finally got a SRO mounted and went out to zero. At 10 it was fine but at 25 it was quite disappointing, almost as bad as my Sig 320's. I am not a great 25 yard B8 shooter and thought maybe I was having a bad day. I went back up to 10 and did trigger control at speed averaging a .16 shot and put 4 rounds on the same hole with 1 a bit low. Weird. Anyway it should make a good IDPA gun for me.
@@cedartop1 I want put more time with it to see if I can sort that out and revisit it. On a side note… I don’t think I know anyone that can do .16 splits at 10yds through the same hole… that’s impressive and hats off to you!
@@TheGentlemanGunner to be clear. Not .16 splits. Running trigger control at speed I am just mashing the trigger as fast and hard as possible on the beep for separate shots. The .16 is basically the reaction time.
@@cedartop1 Gotcha, still… that’s great trigger control!
I always enjoy your videos, so just subbed
Now we’re going back to metal
Holosun SCS for M&P 2.0 is low enough to co-witness the stock sights. I wish I could put the link on here but …
@@larryraffburn-eg8wg link is now in the description, thank you for the suggestion
I really, really want one
Smith&Wesson metal all day everyday and twice on Sunday.
Just noticed S&W changed their serration pattern on these releases
Both you and the Humble Marksman seem to be fans of the “soft shooting” Buffalo Creek as ammo. After trying a box and comparing it to my 147 grain hand loads and factory 147 grain loads,I have to say, the BC ammo is definitely not as soft shooting as my hand loads and doesn’t seem any softer than other factory loads. Just my experience with the Bul Armory 5” TAC Pro and my SA ported Platypus.
You shot that out of two ported guns? Have you had a chance to chrono them... im just curious
@@TheGentlemanGunner Sorry I don’t have a chronometer. Im just going by feel and how fast they return to zero.
Also, no big deal from my perspective. You guys are pro’s and I enjoy your videos. I’m always in search of light loads for plinking at the range.
@@bobg1443 when I did my ammo video, I was thinking about doing a video on what type of ammo does what to a gun… such as… “what is soft ammo?” “Why would use 115 over 147?” … something to that effect. So your perspective is helpful and that’s where my mind went.
Sharp looking gun. Hope you have a chance to use it in IDPA, before the next video.
@@wisesage3289 I’ll include in the 1000rd video. But I’m prepping for IDPA Nats and “trying” my best to stay focused at matches… so no other guns at matches for me for a short time 😬
In case you’re curious though… obviously good for CO/ESP. It has the potential to be in CCP just not legal as is… you’d have to look at either lower sights or thin basepads… but it’s within margin
@@TheGentlemanGunner Thanks for the information. Good luck at the Nationals.
What’s the finish/coating on the slide and frame?
@@ericquintana1900 Slide (per S&W) stainless steel with Armornite finish.
The frame, I couldn’t find a clear answer on this. In person, it feels like Cerakote. I’d did find on the other Metal (aluminum) frames… they Cerakote them
Do you buy all these, or do you have a friend with a shop ? I'm trying to make friends with a gun store owner. 😂
I bought this one… I’d say probably 2/3 I buy… some I borrow or get on T&E. But I say it in every video how get them
@@TheGentlemanGunner Yeah, I just heard that you paid MSRP for it. My error. Haha
We're trying to get on the T&E train. Only had one thus far.
Im thinkin buy American
I want this vs PDP Metal…. If it’s close, I’d love to save $700
@@bradyvanhoof51 mmmm 😅😅😅
I snagged one
I heard a S&W rep at the SHOT show call the 1854 44 mag a “throw back to our heritage”. I’m a 10mm guy since about 1990. Super excited with the S&W M&P 10… bought two. Both jammed regularly, (failure to feed), The magazine fell out the bottom while shooting in both, and on one the supplied plastic optics plate cracked, the screws sheered, and my RMR flew backwards over my head. I sent them back to S&W twice. Failure to feeds continued after receiving them back each time. Called a third time and was transferred to a girl who sounded quite young. She interrupted me, talked over me, and told me that my request that S&W exchange my pistols wasn’t going to happen since the issues were fixable. And she said that I “should shoot better quality ammo”. I guess higher quality than the Federal, Fiocci, Mag Tech, Sig, and Hornady that I had written them about failing, and that I spent a fortune on testing their guns. I filed a BBB complaint but through mediation had no confidence in S&W’s offer to “service my guns”, (for the third time). I wonder if engineering a defective product and then having an arrogant and entitled sounding young lady dismiss your victims is also a throwback to S&W’s heritage; or perhaps rather, they are turning over in their graves.
this screams operator error. sorry you don't know how to maintenance or troubleshoot firearms
This comment screams FUDD. Big FUDD energy over here
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Damn. That's sounds like a terrible situation.
Would you roll the dice and but the Ed Brown Edition?
This or the 365 legion?
That’s a hard one…
For EDC, I’d give it to the 365 Legion largely due to size and my confidence level on that platform is general high as I have quite a bit of time on that platform.
Considering Competition… this gun as I like ergonomics and how this gun balances. The added weight (although not by much) and nicer trigger would make a touch more confident engaging targets with some distances to it.
Overall it’s tough for me. I think I want to spend more time on this platform and circle back this thought after I do the 1000rd video. If you can tell, not one or the other jumps out to me over the other
Doesnt look much bigger than my Glock 19x. May consider this as my edc.
does it take cz75 mag?
Def. Head 2 head tti v sw👍
Wish it was all stainless steel
would love to see smith put out something to rival the rival lol fs steel frame and a 5 inch comped barrel with suppressor height sights. basically this gun but steel instead of aluminum and a full size slide/barrel
i know they have the competitor but that thing is butt ugly
This is not “likes faster ammo”. GBguns has their traditional “what’s for dinner” test. Turns out that every gun has its liked and hated ammo with absolutely no relation to a bullet speed. You just test them all and find one that puts all hits on a dime.
@@rodrigoroaduterte9415 oh interesting, so increased velocity against the rifling doesn’t create a quicker spinning bullet and in turn improve accuracy?
Damn using the same intro music as classic firearms huh?
@@benfox383 Unfortunately you’re incorrect… someone else did the research for us…
“I Initially thought the same. Then I fact checked: Classic Firearms used this intro first on May 28th, 2023. The Gentleman Gunner has used it since their first video on October 7th, 2021.”
Credit and thank you to @mikey899
Also, since this gets mentioned by at least two special people everytime I make a video now… I’m going to leave advice at the end of these.
Advice… instead of watching Classic Firearms (and even mine)… you could dry fire or live fire and watch your skills grow! Your welcome 😂
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Dude, If you want to work in TV go do it. Review is to pretty...
I dont care who came up with it first, if a major gun channel is using my intro song, or vice versa, I would change it immediately. What are you doing?
@@LightofRyga I don’t watch the channel so I don’t care
@@TheGentlemanGunner Maybe you don't care, but what about the viewers who think you're trying to copy Classic Firearms?
@@LightofRyga if that’s the most important concern going on in their life… they can search for the truth and stick around or they need to improve their general quality life… because that’s just sad
@@TheGentlemanGunner I guess we're just different then. I value originality and uniqueness. If I made something and it came out the same as someone else's I would feel ashamed and subpar to the point where I would force myself to come up with something original. But thats just me I guess.
@@LightofRyga I hear you and for my perspective… my originality and uniqueness is in different areas. But its seems irrational to change a fairly immaterial portion of my content because another channel decided to use the music (that everyone else has access to) I had been using since I started the channel. So my question to you is (and say this because I sincerely want to understand this)… if that’s important to people… then why has no one gone to them and asked the same question? And if uniqueness and originality important… why challenge me and not them?
its a big ol' port. not a compensator. comps have plates/baffles for gasses to work against going forward, and having a giant hole in the end so the barrel can go thru negates it. this, the old glock c models, etc are all ported guns, not compensated. it looks like a decent pistol, albeit expensive for what it is. but it is what it is, not what they call it. end of the day , garbage in, garbage out. quality ammo matters.
You are absolutely wrong…ports are cut into the rifling portion of the barrel as where a comp is not cut into the rifling and in many cases even attached.
It's a chunk PORT.
You're inexperienced and new to guns.
It's top tier, get over it
@@celphalonred1999 top tier, and im new to guns. amazing you know it all! LOL
Didn't read your reply and still won't but I looked up the specs. The comp is built into the frames port. And again if you're poor just say so
This gun is a total rip off, in fact any polymer gun turned into the aluminum version is a rip off. The metal frame transfers ALL of the recoil into you, making this a MUCH WORSE shooter than its polymer counter part which is LESS THAN HALF the price of the metal version. S&W is beholden to its shareholders and they've realized all they need to do is manufacture the same guns they've always had, but in aluminum (even though it structurally makes the gun worse), and they can charge absorbent amounts for what costs them almost nothing to manufacture. They fund Anti-2A campaigns for marketing the same way big tobacco funds anti-smoking groups, since it's illegal to advertise in the traditional sense for their actual products. S&W has become a democratic run gun company determined to take your gun rights away, which logically, is exactly what a left leaning gun company would do to itself and its customers.