M&P 2.0 Carry Comps HEAD TO HEAD / Polymer vs Metal Frame 🔥

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  • @BanditApache-nd6lu
    @BanditApache-nd6lu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    It’s never the firearm, it’s the shooter. If you can shoot well with one pistol, you can shoot well with any pistol. After 25 years of shooting and training, I have learned that. 🇺🇸👍

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      indeed, but every pistol is different in their own way. the metal is hands down a better pistol 🙌

    • @chessc.3407
      @chessc.3407 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@j.zhredz yeah same with cars

    • @WettDoggTV
      @WettDoggTV 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Uh... nah bro, a great shooter with an Atlas Erebus is going to destroy a great shooter with a high point 😂

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@WettDoggTVfr! haha

    • @Gulliman312
      @Gulliman312 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@j.zhredz I saw another reviewer say aluminum was a stupid choice because it isn’t heavy enough to compensate for the recoil like other SF handguns. At the same time the reviewer was coming from a stand point of competition guns which seems silly…. But bro the way you shoot that thing seems like it would make and excellent carry gun or home defense. I’m curious to know how the polymer frame compares to a 365 X macro, hellcat or G19

  • @judahlion5826
    @judahlion5826 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Excellent video. I couldn’t decide between the metal and the polymer, but after watching your video, I am going metal all the way. Thanks for your help and making this video! Great job!

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      yessir thank you man, metal frame all the way 🔥

    • @Barbent1317
      @Barbent1317 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Metal all the way…. But I’d wait a few months for them to work the bugs out in the next batch.

  • @joshmartin7558
    @joshmartin7558 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    For all around use, definitely the metal. For concealed carry? Shield plus comp all day. And im a big guy. Carrying around the full size metal is going to feel like a cannon after a while. Its makes a full day of iwb carry uncomfortable

  • @WTGBalla
    @WTGBalla 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I don’t think the difference is as large as you said. I personally think they shoot nearly the same. The metal frame weighs a couple of ounces more but has no polymer flex. The polymer one weighs a little less but has polymer flex which should soak up some of the recoil. What I found is they both have a different recoil impulse. From what I’ve seen some people prefer the metal frame impulse and some prefer the polymer impulse. That’s going to be the biggest difference. I preferred the overall feel and impulse of the metal frame. So I went with the metal frame myself. But if someone wanted to save a little money, I don’t think you should feel bad about that because the guns at least to me, shoot nearly identical. The polymer frame will also conceal a bit easier as well. Which is something to consider if it’s for edc

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i dont know but for me personally the metal frame shot so much better and recoil was more manageable. everyone has their preferences but your right the polymer is easier to conceal and is cheaper which is a huge plus when thinking about a carry gun 💪🏼

    • @joshuadjan
      @joshuadjan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The slides are the same so there should be very little difference. We’re talking a slight weight difference and grip length. I think he’s saying the polymer recoils harder because he’s able to get a better grip on the metal frame…probably has larger hands.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joshuadjan i got medium large hands& i get a pretty good grip on both guns. the metal frame just straight out shoots flatter. you have to shoot them side by side to see what im talking about & the new cz p-09 c was even flatter shooting then the polymer carry comp.

    • @joshuadjan
      @joshuadjan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Funny you mention it! I’ve had my eyes on that new P09 full size nocturne. You should definitely do a comparison video between that and the metal comp carry. Great content bro!

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joshuadjan once it comes out ill get it and compare em both. that will be a good comparison honestly & thanks bro i appreciate ur support fr 💪🏼‼️

  • @joshbrightenterprises1789
    @joshbrightenterprises1789 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the comparison. I was sitting debating on which one to get...

  • @OBZ74
    @OBZ74 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you! From some reason I thought that the polymer would be less snappy than the metal but you proved me wrong, keep up the great job brother!

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ofc my man🙌 yeah i was thinking polymer would be just as good as metal frame but its sadly not. theres no comparison between the two . metal all the way

    • @rythomw
      @rythomw 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Full size vs compact isn't going to be a good comparison. If you compared a Glock 19 and Glock 17 you'd have the same results. I think it's less of the metal vs polymer, and moreso just the size. :/

  • @SpyderWebbX
    @SpyderWebbX 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    How could you properly test the recoil when you put heavy flashlights on it and both flashlights are different models, too?

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      if anything the flashlights help the recoil a bit. without the flashlights they will have a tad more recoil but the metal frame is overall a more balanced gun, therefore it shoots better and im able to get follow up shots quickly because the dot dosnt move

    • @SpyderWebbX
      @SpyderWebbX 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@j.zhredz Thanks. It would be great to get guntubers impression on new guns as how they come out in the box, especially when comparing them, letting the comps work on their own without adding additional front weight.
      It's like taste-testing different brands of whiskey but after you put ice and water on them :)

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@SpyderWebbX you right, ill do that next time around. thanks for the feedback 🙌

    • @SpyderWebbX
      @SpyderWebbX 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@j.zhredz Thanks bro. Subscribed!

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@SpyderWebbX 🙌🙏

  • @GivehumanityTV
    @GivehumanityTV 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Hey nice content I will say watch your range shooting metal targets, the rounds fly back. I got hit by a round and had to hit the hospital and I was well over 10 yards away. All your metal target have to be angled downward so they hit the ground first.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@GivehumanityTV will do , thanks for the advice bro. and glad ur doing okay 🙌

    • @jahcal777
      @jahcal777 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      True. Learned this the hard way when a piece shot back into my friends face. Be careful.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jahcal777 i will, thank you🙏

    • @cmdbill
      @cmdbill 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Angle down or hanging is recommended but the biggest issue is if you shoot a plate with something that puts a dimple in the steel say a high caliber rifle, the round if it hits it right will send the shrapnel back 180°. A nice little round bowl to fire back at you.

  • @baernabyjones
    @baernabyjones 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nice comparison. How’s the metal carry comp recoil compare to a Glock 19? And add another +1 for the Shield Plus Carry comp. I have the 3.1” ported PC version and love it

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      metal carry comp blows the g19 out the water , shooting wise

  • @bobmths
    @bobmths 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My son and I were wanting to purchase a set of these. Have you had any of the slide lock issues with the metal frame version? We have 4 of the ported barrel and slide 4.25 CORE models in 2.0 and have thousands upon thousands of rounds through them and not one issue with the slide locking ever. Thank you for any advice.

  • @Gulliman312
    @Gulliman312 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Thank you bro! I appreciate your dedication to the M&P

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ofc man , i appreciate you watching 🙌

  • @kentoncarter1103
    @kentoncarter1103 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Bro your tripping. The metal gun is NICER but your making a mountain out if a mole hill.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      metal gun definitely the one

    • @UniformLiability
      @UniformLiability 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All he said was it’s definitely nicer.. which is definitely true.

  • @nickg89
    @nickg89 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Which Holosuns do you have on them? How do they fit? S&M have that narrow slide design so I worry some red dots will hang over the edges and not be flush

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i have the 407c on them. they fit good on there . the optic does stick out from the slide a bit

  • @lmSteveo
    @lmSteveo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What are your thoughts on the micro compact version? I’m looking for a EDC on tilt between the s&w mp shield plus carry comp vs the system shadows cr920xp

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@lmSteveo i havent shot the shield plus carry comp so i cant say much about it. iv held it and it is smaller & personally if your leaning towards the cr920 i rather just go with a glock 43x . cheaper and proven to work. if 8 more people say some abt the shield plus ill end up getting it for a review as well

    • @lmSteveo
      @lmSteveo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@j.zhredz I like the idea of all the upgrades you get right out the box. Stippling, double under cuts, thumb grip to rest your thumb on, flare mag well, fluted barrel , cut for an optic, and let’s not forget about the comp. They also have a policy where if you have a justified shoot they will replace the gun or let you borrow the same gun until you get yours back from the cops. The price to do all those upgrades to a Glock will set you way over the price of the cr920p. I understand it’s a cookie cutter gun. I have the mr920p and haven’t had any issues…it’s like saying why go with a 19x when you can get the new m&p carry comp metal.

  • @marklindner383
    @marklindner383 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On the metal frame what was the issue with the slide lock/slide release? I am seriously considering the metal frame model. Thanks for the review!

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@marklindner383ofc bro & i got a in detail video on it posted on my channel. videos says "slide lock issue" on it

  • @GlockFanboy45
    @GlockFanboy45 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Which light do you like better?

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      x300 🔥

    • @GlockFanboy45
      @GlockFanboy45 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@j.zhredz I was afraid you was going to say that 😂

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GlockFanboy45they both good light tho 😂💪🏼

    • @GlockFanboy45
      @GlockFanboy45 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@j.zhredz yea I got the x300 turbo the beam on that is no joke punches through rain snow sleet but was wondering how good that HL is I’m sure it’s no joke as well

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GlockFanboy45 ima get the turbo as well, heard its fire & yeah those the only light brandsi i trust on my guns 🔥

  • @donio8194
    @donio8194 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great comparison. Thank You. I have some questions about these mp carry models. How Can I contact.You ? If You dont mind.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      instagram / z.hredz

  • @FormerFetus1995
    @FormerFetus1995 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does the carry comp fit 2.0 compact holsters?

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it fits the 4.25 inch m&p holsters

  • @Mac1968ish
    @Mac1968ish 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What was the issue with the slide lock?

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      its on my other videos , slide lever kept going up when i was pulling the trigger

    • @cooley0531
      @cooley0531 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@j.zhredzso what did you have to do to fix it and have a outcome of solution to that slide lock issue? Because I was watching another video with someone mentioning that issue of the pistol

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cooley0531i got a video up on my youtube how to fix it 🙌🙌

    • @cooley0531
      @cooley0531 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@j.zhredzok cool I’ll check it out. Thanks bro 👍🏾👍🏾

  • @fredprophete8882
    @fredprophete8882 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    GReat Review J!!! hey how conealable is the metal? Can you compare it's concealability to a couple of other pistols that are compact size like G19 etc....?

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      thanks bro 🙏 , the carry comp metal frame conceals well with the trex arms holster with the wing attachment. but i feel that the glock 19 definitely conceals better and is overall more comfortable for everyday carry.

    • @fredprophete8882
      @fredprophete8882 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@j.zhredz Thanks again for the info. Thats good to know. Helps me out.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fredprophete8882 ofc man, glad i cud help

  • @Keithjmcc
    @Keithjmcc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Just started the video. Don’t know what your conclusion will be however the metal frame has been a more pleasant and accurate experience for me. The price on some suck so that will keep me out. For some. Tha canik and S&W aM&P have no remorse for my purchases.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      the metal is definitely a better shooter agreed. 🔥

  • @ericg649
    @ericg649 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is the “non hinged” trigger only on the 2.0??

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ericg649 i believe so

  • @kiloDelta-wo6gm
    @kiloDelta-wo6gm 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How does the polymer compare to the glocks?

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      feels similar to the glock 19 . the glock 45 and 47 shoot way better then the m&p polymer version in terms of recoil and quick transitions

    • @tianlamian
      @tianlamian 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@j.zhredzwoah comped polymer shoots harsher than the noncomped glocks sheeesh

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tianlamian i would say the polymer version is comparable to a g19 shooting wise

  • @ksuen106
    @ksuen106 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you for putting out the 1,000 round review, and comparing the polymer with metal frame so quickly. Your videos help narrow down the decision. Trying to decide either the metal frame or an FN510 tactical as a first firearm.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      no problem , thanks for the feedback 🙏, i say go feel em both out at the shop before you make a decision

  • @HectorRodriguez-qf6ij
    @HectorRodriguez-qf6ij 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What boots are those bro

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      they some cheap fila boota i got back in 2020 bro

  • @JamesReedy
    @JamesReedy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wouldn't say the polymer carry comp has a lot of recoil LOL, it shoots reasonably soft. It's no surprise the metal frame might have less felt recoil, it's the same recoil impulse into more mass. It certainly recoils less than the G19 it's competing with and the narrower grip is easier to get your hand around, conceals better etc.

  • @SHOOTERS_G.n.B
    @SHOOTERS_G.n.B 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Best of luck with the channel bro.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thank you sir 🙌

  • @ratchetsam
    @ratchetsam 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What kind of problems did you have with the slide lock?

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i have a a video dedicated on the carry comp slide lock issue , go check it out

  • @danellis2581
    @danellis2581 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice shooting, bro! Really liking that metal carry comp

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      thanks bro😎, get one you wont regret it !

  • @greenhaze1714
    @greenhaze1714 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great comparison video, I'm now sold on the metal version! What brand of glove are you wearing? It looks comfortable.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      not too sure, i think mechanix

  • @elitewaver2835
    @elitewaver2835 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Support this channel 100%

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      much lov bro 🤙🏼🙌 thank you

    • @chessc.3407
      @chessc.3407 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@elitewaver2835 ditto that, loving his content and forward approach

  • @FloridaRich954
    @FloridaRich954 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just don't understand why they wouldn't make the compact in metal also. That would have been perfect.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FloridaRich954 yeah im not sure. they probably wanted to make something cheaper so people can afford it and buy it so they went polymer compact

    • @FloridaRich954
      @FloridaRich954 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@j.zhredzgood point, i do hope they release a metal compact size later on. By chance have you tried shooting the compact with a 17rd mag with the extension plate? Thinking maybe the weight of the extra 2 rds and better grip may make a slight difference.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FloridaRich954i havent tried it yet, but it will probably make a percentage of a difference. not much to say its better than the full size metal frame

  • @danal1911
    @danal1911 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yo’ great video Sir! 👌🏻 thanks for the comparison on these two is exactly what I need it to make a decision and to be honest I like the metal version better but what about the issue on that one, how you fix it?

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danal1911 thanks bro 😎 & i got a video up on how to fix it as well. its on my channel. i explain what to look for before buyin it and how to fix it if you do get a bad one

  • @chessc.3407
    @chessc.3407 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice form - great review

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      🙌🙌

    • @EunicesT
      @EunicesT 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Alright then metal frame it is when I get mine 👊🏼

  • @lesterobryant55
    @lesterobryant55 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video! I'd like to see a comparison on Metal Carry Comp vs the original Metal M&P. To see how much difference the Comp really makes 🔥👍👍

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      the metal m&p carry comp is better lol 🔥

    • @lesterobryant55
      @lesterobryant55 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @j.zhredz thanks! Just wondering if it was worth the upgrade

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lesterobryant55 definitely is !

  • @corollaprime04
    @corollaprime04 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice! I might still get the polymer version only because i already own the m&p9 4in and I wouldn't have to get new mags! 😅

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      haha yeah, save some money 👍👍

    • @RealHankShill
      @RealHankShill 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same mags my friend. All 9mm m&ps use the same mags, metal or polymer

  • @texasmade9915
    @texasmade9915 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looking forward to using this for my first edc😩

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hope you enjoy it!

  • @impolite2n1p3r8
    @impolite2n1p3r8 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    And after all this, what have we learned visually not a damn thing, words from another person. the bigger heavier Gun shoots better….. 👏👏

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🔥🔥🔥

    • @michaelstephens4927
      @michaelstephens4927 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Learned absolutely nothing fr....just🗣 I FUCKING LOVE THIS GUN😂

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      well then u kinda did learn something.. METAL FRAME ALL DAY!!🔥😂

  • @renatokun9318
    @renatokun9318 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brother thank you for the video. Your shooting skills are amazing. Any tips? Could you make a video on grip and recoil. Subbed to you!

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thank you my man 🙌 & only two tips that made me a decent shooter is 1- practice as much as you can with different pistols & 2- dont be scared of the gun

  • @cameronmills3414
    @cameronmills3414 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just bought the xr920p and was looking at this. Gonna have to buy this next

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      its a sweet shooting pistol , get the metal frame tho

    • @cameronmills3414
      @cameronmills3414 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@j.zhredz ya and it looks really nice. Not gonna lie you got skills with pistols

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cameronmills3414 lol thanks bro, i only started shooting this year, just took some training 🙌💪🏼

  • @sirgigolo
    @sirgigolo 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm a dead shot with both. I prefer the polymer

  • @dasniper282
    @dasniper282 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice!

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks! 🙏

  • @montrellmosby3421
    @montrellmosby3421 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video but unless you’re shooting frangible ammo be careful shooting that close to steel. But awesome vid tho

  • @mraarontorres
    @mraarontorres 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I want the unlimited ammo no reload edition 💪

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      bet 🙌🔥

  • @zubairloonat3248
    @zubairloonat3248 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Strange as the metal isn’t steel but alloy and doesn’t weigh much more than the polymer

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      i think its the dimensions and the balance throughout the gun that matters more in this case

  • @ukaszmizielski574
    @ukaszmizielski574 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can't say what's the real recoil difference when you have lights on them.

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ukaszmizielski574 i took the lights off when i finished the video & the polymer frame still had more recoil. having lights on your gun helps recoil yes. but not by a huge amount like people think lol

  • @Cre8tor727
    @Cre8tor727 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1/2” on grip and 5oz yea this gun is way fucken better come on man

  • @adambaez2114
    @adambaez2114 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So glad I came across this video been trynna decide for days which one of these two I wanted to purchase. Are these both the 4.22 inch barrels and will the bigger 17 rd mag fit in the smaller polymer framed compact carry comp?

    • @j.zhredz
      @j.zhredz  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      one is 4.22 polymer & other is 4.25 metal fram. and yes the 17 rd mag fits in the polymer version