All good points. In addition, axle (differential) clearance is not the only thing. Approach, departure, and break over angles as well as rocker clearance are increased more with a lift than from tires. Weight is not much of an issue as diameter though because it changes the final drive ratio which causes sluggish acceleration and the decreased ability to use highest gears. The biggest effect weight is accelerating it...getting it turning. Think about it - a larger diameter will spin slower at a given mph speed. Also think about how slowly a wheel increases RPM even at rather brisk acceleration...not really all that quickly. The bigger effect of tire width (and nobody ever mentions this) is at freeway speeds where you need to push air out from the contact patch and pull it back in as the tire passes. This produces increased rolling resistance. Also, lift of any kind, tire or suspension, is the increase in vehicle frontal wind load area. The underside of a vehicle is also included in frontal area because air is swept along by energy provided by the vehicle. Larger diameter tires increase frontal wind load area. All in all, I agree narrower tires have many advantages over narrower tires and one should use the narrowest tires practical, but I don't agree with much of your reasoning. It gets a healthy conversation going though. ✌️
After owning quite a few lifted vehicles as well as putting e rated tires on many trucks i promise weight makes a huge difference. More so than anything else in loss of power
Great video with a lot of good points! You mentioned tires being the only thing that will increase ground clearance, and I do agree with you, with the exception of portal axles which raise the differential & axle. But I understand those are big bucks and probably why you didn’t mention them.
Late to video but besides clearance issues weight is probably the next most important thing to consider when going to a bigger tire. A lot of people never give this a consideration but there can be a big difference between one brand of tire and the next on the same size tire. The new Goodyear Territory MT 33 inch tire that Chevy is putting on the new Colorado ZR2 is a good example of that, it weighs 50 pounds and most of the other brands come in at 55 to 70 pounds which is why Chevy probably went with that tire on their new truck. Speeching of Chevy I happen to be a 2018 Colorado ZR2 owner and those trucks and the new 2023 model ZR2S should come from factory with 3.73 gears. 3.42 is ok for the 2WD trucks but the ZR2 and exspecially the new Bison model with 35 inch tires should have at least 3.73 gears. Maybe the new engine with 430 torque will push those tires ok but I am doubtful
Well said and agree with everything you said 100%. And I get the 430 torque numbers but agree 4.10s should ve minimum on the bison and 3.73s on the zr2
Yep I seen on forums where some were fine with the 33 pizza cutters and a few that did rub when off roading and fully articulating. So I chose to be safe in this video and recommend the 32s so that nobody yells at me if they bought 33s and rubbed. But you are 100% correct most of the time they fit without much work.
@@Jason-Samkoawesome. thanks for reply. i have a 21' diesel overland with venom power 33s, wanna go 35s and I have a 1.5" leveling kit looking for recommendations based on what you explained etc. def don't want a big negative offset. mainly mall crawling for sure any recommendations? wanna keep stock rims they are 18s
@Coyote5555 with the diesel and the level kit you could go 35x1250 or 35x1250. The diesel has the torque and the level kit gives you the clearance. Sounds like a beautiful truck
I’d say that the axles snap on slow speeds crawling due to the traction the tire offers and the length of the arm from the center of the axle. This creates a moment/torque - force multiplied by distance. That puts the axle in the force “environment” it is simply not designed for. The weight matters when the tires move fast - force multiplied by deceleration. That’s mechanical energy technically speaking. That will wear out suspension. I hope my English was clear. It’s not my first language and I was studying in different language.
you language was perfect! Well done! You are correct. The weight matters also when the traction breaks loose and then catches again. That is where most snap axles. The wheel spins in the dirt and then catches a tree root or a rock and gets traction to stop spinning and pop, the axles snaps.
Contact patch from airing down is a benefit of taller tires rather than wide. The rim won't let a tire get much wider that when aired up. But the contact patch will get longer by a big percentage when aired down on a tall skinny tire. And skinny tires have many advantages like I talked about in the video.
This is great! Thanks for the info. I am looking at a 2023 Gladiator Rubicon and I'm thinking of 35s. I live in Central VA and am in the Blue Ridge Mountains as well as the Outer Banks NC on the beach. What do you recommend?
@fchrisb804 the 35x11.50s will fit your stock rims and no real noticeable power loss and only about 1-2 mog loss. If you go 35x12.50 you might need a wider rim too. But live the gladiator on 35s!
I have replaced my tyres with size 215/70/16 Bridge stone with 245/70/16 BF Goodrich since then my car would go into limp mode and not going above 100mph. Does this has something to with the tyre or transmission issues?
I have 305/70/r16 cooper discovers at3. On a 1989 chevy k1500 4x4.. with a leveled kit. Do u think there anything I need to change in gears or tires???
I’ve got a dodge power waggon with 40 inch tires and I like the snow wheel with it and these tires were great but the fact is you must do some serious body modification as my truck is a third GEN power waggon had to move the front axle forward 2 inches suspension is modified fenders. I’ve gone with the same offset as American expedition vehicles which is a -12. Anything more than that just looks cheesy.
Question, I installed a ready lift sst leveling kit, and 35 nitto ridge grapplers on my trail boss. Should I regear my truck? It feels a lot heavier and just had the transmission replaced.
@Jason-Samko thank you for your response. I’m wondering if the modifications caused my transmission to go out? About 2 months after modifying, tranny began to slip. Now I don’t want to drive the truck and damage the new transmission.
Hi .. I currently run 245 / 70 / 16 at tires, bought the car with them on .. Thinking about changing to 255 / 70 / 16. I also thought it’s best to go with 245 / 75 / 16 - so height will be marginally changed and actual speeds. Though not excessively. I do some off road work / towing a boat a few times a month.. Any advice ? Thanks.
Tire weight is not rotating mass unless free spinning. The entire vehicle’s weight is rolled down the road. Adding 20lbs/tire is the same as adding 80lbs to the box and cargo of the truck.
add 20 pound heavier tires and see what that does to your mpgs vs putting 80 pounds in the bed. That will probably help answer it better than I could explain it here.
Lift is the only way to get the body and wheel wells out of the way for bigger tires. Lift is mandatory to get bigger tires on all ifs vehicles unless you are only going up one size or so. That's twice now on the same video in e different comments you have tried to correct me with wrong Information. If you have a question on any of it ask anytime. I'm happy to help you understand any of it better if you need. The purpose of my videos is to provide solid facts. And that's what I'm doing here. So my Info is rock solid. Bit again happy to help you understand and of it better if you need.
There are way more issues than benefits. Everyone should try wheeling with stock before dropping thousands. Bigger tires will be better for hard lines and select offroading areas. But it's much worse acceleration, mpg, longevity, turning, braking, etc. Most people should optimize daily and see if they can wheel with that before anything.
This is why I love your channel - no bs, just valuable info we can all learn & use. Great content, sir!
I appreciate that! Thank you
Great video like to add that's why dirt bikes come with 21in skinny tires
Great point and very true!
All good points. In addition, axle (differential) clearance is not the only thing. Approach, departure, and break over angles as well as rocker clearance are increased more with a lift than from tires.
Weight is not much of an issue as diameter though because it changes the final drive ratio which causes sluggish acceleration and the decreased ability to use highest gears. The biggest effect weight is accelerating it...getting it turning. Think about it - a larger diameter will spin slower at a given mph speed. Also think about how slowly a wheel increases RPM even at rather brisk acceleration...not really all that quickly.
The bigger effect of tire width (and nobody ever mentions this) is at freeway speeds where you need to push air out from the contact patch and pull it back in as the tire passes. This produces increased rolling resistance.
Also, lift of any kind, tire or suspension, is the increase in vehicle frontal wind load area. The underside of a vehicle is also included in frontal area because air is swept along by energy provided by the vehicle. Larger diameter tires increase frontal wind load area.
All in all, I agree narrower tires have many advantages over narrower tires and one should use the narrowest tires practical, but I don't agree with much of your reasoning. It gets a healthy conversation going though. ✌️
After owning quite a few lifted vehicles as well as putting e rated tires on many trucks i promise weight makes a huge difference. More so than anything else in loss of power
This was probably the most useful and knowledgeable video I’ve watched so far about which tires to put on my ram truck …thank you bro
@@JohnnieD_937 glad you enjoyed it
After watching this I expected to see half a million views, crazy it hasn’t gone viral yet. Such a great video.
Thank you. Appreciate that
Great video with a lot of good points! You mentioned tires being the only thing that will increase ground clearance, and I do agree with you, with the exception of portal axles which raise the differential & axle. But I understand those are big bucks and probably why you didn’t mention them.
You are correct. They do. But most people won't do them or can't afford to do them. Glad you enjoyed the video
All questions that I have had for years were answered in 20 minutes. Thank you very much!
Glad you enjoyed it
Late to video but besides clearance issues weight is probably the next most important thing to consider when going to a bigger tire. A lot of people never give this a consideration but there can be a big difference between one brand of tire and the next on the same size tire. The new Goodyear Territory MT 33 inch tire that Chevy is putting on the new Colorado ZR2 is a good example of that, it weighs 50 pounds and most of the other brands come in at 55 to 70 pounds which is why Chevy probably went with that tire on their new truck. Speeching of Chevy I happen to be a 2018 Colorado ZR2 owner and those trucks and the new 2023 model ZR2S should come from factory with 3.73 gears. 3.42 is ok for the 2WD trucks but the ZR2 and exspecially the new Bison model with 35 inch tires should have at least 3.73 gears. Maybe the new engine with 430 torque will push those tires ok but I am doubtful
Well said and agree with everything you said 100%. And I get the 430 torque numbers but agree 4.10s should ve minimum on the bison and 3.73s on the zr2
Stock OR tacoma can fit 33". 255/85 r16. Pizza cutters
Yep I seen on forums where some were fine with the 33 pizza cutters and a few that did rub when off roading and fully articulating. So I chose to be safe in this video and recommend the 32s so that nobody yells at me if they bought 33s and rubbed. But you are 100% correct most of the time they fit without much work.
Thanks for the info. Been wanting to add some ground clearance to my Edge.
Great video Jason! Thanks!
Glad ypu enjoyed it
Good Video!! More people should be aware of this!!
Thank you and glad you enjoyed it
First time here to the channel. I definitely learned alot. Question for you: Is your gladiator a gasser or diesel?
Gas. Any questions let me know
@@Jason-Samkoawesome. thanks for reply. i have a 21' diesel overland with venom power 33s, wanna go 35s and I have a 1.5" leveling kit looking for recommendations based on what you explained etc. def don't want a big negative offset. mainly mall crawling for sure any recommendations? wanna keep stock rims they are 18s
@Coyote5555 with the diesel and the level kit you could go 35x1250 or 35x1250. The diesel has the torque and the level kit gives you the clearance. Sounds like a beautiful truck
Thanks bro huge help subd to your channel keep it coming. live stream would be nice one of these days i'd sign on for sure@@Jason-Samko
I’d say that the axles snap on slow speeds crawling due to the traction the tire offers and the length of the arm from the center of the axle.
This creates a moment/torque - force multiplied by distance. That puts the axle in the force “environment” it is simply not designed for.
The weight matters when the tires move fast - force multiplied by deceleration. That’s mechanical energy technically speaking. That will wear out suspension.
I hope my English was clear. It’s not my first language and I was studying in different language.
BTW: great content. thx
you language was perfect! Well done! You are correct. The weight matters also when the traction breaks loose and then catches again. That is where most snap axles. The wheel spins in the dirt and then catches a tree root or a rock and gets traction to stop spinning and pop, the axles snaps.
If you don’t do any desert running skinny tires aren’t an advantage. Wider tires give you a longer contact patch when aired down for rock crawling.
Contact patch from airing down is a benefit of taller tires rather than wide. The rim won't let a tire get much wider that when aired up. But the contact patch will get longer by a big percentage when aired down on a tall skinny tire. And skinny tires have many advantages like I talked about in the video.
@@Jason-Samkoyes but a taller and wider tighter gives you advantage over a skinny tall tire And more flotation in sand and mud and better looking
This is great! Thanks for the info.
I am looking at a 2023 Gladiator Rubicon and I'm thinking of 35s. I live in Central VA and am in the Blue Ridge Mountains as well as the Outer Banks NC on the beach. What do you recommend?
@fchrisb804 the 35x11.50s will fit your stock rims and no real noticeable power loss and only about 1-2 mog loss. If you go 35x12.50 you might need a wider rim too. But live the gladiator on 35s!
I have replaced my tyres with size 215/70/16 Bridge stone with 245/70/16 BF Goodrich since then my car would go into limp mode and not going above 100mph. Does this has something to with the tyre or transmission issues?
I have 305/70/r16 cooper discovers at3. On a 1989 chevy k1500 4x4.. with a leveled kit. Do u think there anything I need to change in gears or tires???
I don't think you need to re gear for those. Should work great
@ ok thanks
Well I might go up on sidewall to 295/75/16. For more bump comfort. What u think??
@2-raw24 i like the biggest tires I can fit.
I’ve got a dodge power waggon with 40 inch tires and I like the snow wheel with it and these tires were great but the fact is you must do some serious body modification as my truck is a third GEN power waggon had to move the front axle forward 2 inches suspension is modified fenders. I’ve gone with the same offset as American expedition vehicles which is a -12. Anything more than that just looks cheesy.
Sounds like an amazing truck
I would think in snow the wider the the tire the less traction.
That is correct. In snow skinny is better as it gets to the hard bottom easier.
Question, I installed a ready lift sst leveling kit, and 35 nitto ridge grapplers on my trail boss. Should I regear my truck? It feels a lot heavier and just had the transmission replaced.
@nerysolis7670 regearing is the only way to get the power back after going with big heavy tires
@Jason-Samko thank you for your response. I’m wondering if the modifications caused my transmission to go out? About 2 months after modifying, tranny began to slip. Now I don’t want to drive the truck and damage the new transmission.
@@nerysolis7670 I don't think 35s would hurt the Trans but it's probably a good idea to regear it
@@nerysolis7670what year is your trail boss? And what transmission did you have that went down? The 10 speed??
Excellent info brother!
@@stevengleave9241 thanks.
Thanks, now I can lift my samurai without touching the suspension.
Hi .. I currently run 245 / 70 / 16 at tires, bought the car with them on .. Thinking about changing to 255 / 70 / 16.
I also thought it’s best to go with 245 / 75 / 16 - so height will be marginally changed and actual speeds. Though not excessively.
I do some off road work / towing a boat a few times a month..
Any advice ? Thanks.
@johnroman4608 I personally like to go with the tallest tire I can fit on a vehicle.
I heard re-gearing is a must? Is this true?
depends on the vehicle, the gears, the hp numbers etc.
TY👍
@@bricks-mortar very welcome
Tire weight is not rotating mass unless free spinning. The entire vehicle’s weight is rolled down the road. Adding 20lbs/tire is the same as adding 80lbs to the box and cargo of the truck.
add 20 pound heavier tires and see what that does to your mpgs vs putting 80 pounds in the bed. That will probably help answer it better than I could explain it here.
Taller is bad juju for the trans
Wider is much worse
@@Jason-Samko i dont understand that logic
Pizza cutters 👍👍
Lift doesn’t fit bigger tires on IFS. Lift helps with approach angle. That’s about it.
Lift is the only way to get the body and wheel wells out of the way for bigger tires. Lift is mandatory to get bigger tires on all ifs vehicles unless you are only going up one size or so.
That's twice now on the same video in e different comments you have tried to correct me with wrong Information. If you have a question on any of it ask anytime. I'm happy to help you understand any of it better if you need. The purpose of my videos is to provide solid facts. And that's what I'm doing here. So my Info is rock solid. Bit again happy to help you understand and of it better if you need.
There are way more issues than benefits. Everyone should try wheeling with stock before dropping thousands.
Bigger tires will be better for hard lines and select offroading areas. But it's much worse acceleration, mpg, longevity, turning, braking, etc.
Most people should optimize daily and see if they can wheel with that before anything.
Very solid points
A holes with big tires 😅
Loosers
😂😂 love the look of big tires
very informative I like it thank you
Glad you enjoyed it