Creating Our First Pathfinder 2e Characters!
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- MONSTERS OF DRAKKENHEIM is 300+ pages of eldritch horror inspired monsters for 5e by the Dungeon Dudes! Coming to Kickstarter March 26th, 2024: www.kickstarter.com/projects/... We use Demiplane to help us create our first Pathfinder characters and discuss the many options, and our thoughts on the process.
This video is sponsored by Demiplane! check it out here: bit.ly/PF2character-tools
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0:00 Intro / Sponsor
2:05 - Character Concepts
4:36 - Getting Started With Demiplane
8:00 - Ancestry
13:48 - Background
15:50 - Class
22:17 - The Character Sheet
23:42 - Spells
25:24 - Equipment
28:54 - Conclusion
30:11 - Demiplane
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5 feet of the armor penalty is removed if you meet the Str threshold for the armor you're wearing. So Kelly's dwarf could still have a 20 speed.
Love seeing the difference in Monty's and Kelly's laptops
Makes sense
It represents their personalities pretty well
Imo that sums up why they're a good duo. They're different but also same
The sneaky trouble maker and the show stealer
@@Dani_77709not to mention the shirts in this video-that pattern is on point, Kelly!
I am noticing Kelly talking about free heal spells when the number of free heals is 1 + Charisma… and his charisma is -1
Yeah, I think a dwarf with the 2 free boosts might have been the way to go here... those free heals make a big difference, and a Charisma flaw really hurts.
@@ericrobinson2611 yeah i noticed that as well, not having an okay charisma is a cleric in P2E is not a good idea as it allows you to be a bit more versatile.
yeah, clerics usually want to have at least a little charisma.
It makes balancing ability boosts a really tough thing for Clerics, especially for Warpriests. A -1 on Charisma basically nerfs your cleric.
Same as first edition: cleric are starved for stats and they can't really dump much aside from int.
I would really like to see Jill and Joe make their 2E characters too. They bring different perspectives and methods to characters. Please do a video with them.
Double vote for this suggestion
Totally
This
Defo
Have then make characters with Wanderers Guide or Pathbuilder....to highlight the other great (Truly Free) options
As someone who has switched from 5e to PF2e since the OGL drama and complete loss of any respect for WotC, it's awesome to see you guys doing Pathfinder stuff! I'm a big fan, and it's awesome to see you covering other great systems. I hope you keep enjoying the stuff! I myself have been having a blast!
I tend to prefer pathbuilder for making a character, but I'm glad you two are having fun.
My concern with demiplane is if it fails, you spent money on books you don't have anymore
@@jar8240 I don't really worry about that, because the guys who are making it, also made d&d beyond before WotC took over.
The Paizo shop only let's you pay with a credit card and in some european countrys those aren't really used a lot, so many people don't have credit cards. Having the option to buy at least digital versions on demiplane definitly helps.
...But I also prefer Pathbuilder for charakter building.
@@LontEnCaras Idk how them making dnd beyond makes it safe that they won't discontinue a line. Surge was made by the same people that made pepsi..
@@jar8240 demiplane seems to be a bigger projekt, then d&d beyond was. They not only have pathfinder, but other ttrpgs systems on it as well.
@@LontEnCaras yeah. And I think that's a strong point in their favor, for sure. Still a concern
Only the Core rulebook options are available for free, which is fine, just be aware that all this is, is DnD Beyond for Pathfinder (and other games, coming soon). That could work well for some people but know that there are other character builders out there that give you more options at no additional cost.
Or minimal cost such as Pathbuilder 2e requiring a 4.99$ (as I recall) purchase to unlock all the options of free archetype and other options
Wanderer’s guide superioity
I gotta say, I’m really impressed with the character creation process here. I love the way the ability scores all start at 10, and increase based on choices. It really seems to make your character super unique and customizable
As you level their are so many abilties it's a little insane.
@@spapeztheoctopus3249 I really need to check the game out. This is the first time I’ve heard any real detail about it. Very cool stuff
@@thetowndrunk988 If it helps, all of the rules (yes, all of them, from every supplement as well) are free on Archives of Nethys. Paizo is aware of the site and actively supports it.
Also highly recommend pathbuilder app
Really helps organize your builds on a level by level basis
And what feats you can and cant take and shows some reason why
Its super convenient
I made several characters already
something to note about ancestral boosts at 11:00 is that you gain three boosts but one flaw and one of them is free to choose anything. the two boosts is two boosts anywhere but no flaw.
My first "how this pf2 character building works?" character was a giant instinct goblin barbarian with high str and second highest was charisma.
The only tactical character building mistake I saw was to let the cleric with a -1 on char. Because you calculate your daily free heal spells based on those. Other than that, both characters were perfectly cool and awesome!
Neither of their free background feats are going to be particularly useful, either. It's not a mistake, per se, but it is a missed opportunity. The cleric will feel that more keenly than the rogue, who gets a skill feat every level - the cleric would have probably been a lot happier with Field Medic, esp. given the low charisma issue for daily heals.
I love the aesthetic differences between Kelly “so many stickers you can’t tell the laptop’s original colour” and Monty “so clean and pristine it looks new”
25:14 Monty's greedy happy smile when he will get his rogues weapon boosted by Kelly's ability
It’d be fun to watch you guys play PF 2E with Colby or just the normal crew. Very interested in this system. Just the starter kit adventure would be great. Pathbuilder is another great tool to build characters too.
NotNat1’s covered this character builder. Fun to see awesome nerds helping us new players
Monty is playing Yoric with Ronald the Rules Lawyer and Colby is playing a monk (which talk about night and day difference in a character class between the two systems) and it’s a hoot. Monty keeps dropping capitalist and economic puns and quips. Although I was slightly disappointed he didn’t name his rapier “Supply” and his dagger “Demand”
@@donalddouds6033 Rules Lawyer is too dry to watch. Not my cup of tea.
@@KnicKnac I agree 100% he definitely is no Monty that’s for sure. The Rules Lawyer fries on you, now as to what is growing that is up to individual perception LOL
Having my first Pathfinder session 0 Sunday! So hyped, leaning towards playing a Thaumaturge. Such a cool class.
Thaumaturge is awesome! It's super with all the different things that you can do I personally got a level 2 thaumaturge with the Regalia investment. Its a lot of fun
starting my first pathfinder game next week and also have a thaumaturge built out
Thaumaturge might be my favorite class ever in any ttrpg. So much flavor, lots of depth and complexity, but also it's very hard to not build a competent party member. You can build a battlefield tactician, a ranged support build, a skill monkey with versatility even a rogue can't beat, or a pseudo-spell caster who can use spells of any tradition. Thaumaturge is that jack of all trades the Bard was supposed to be since DnD 3rd edition.
@Derek Bowen I basically just remade Geralt. Talismans, potions, and oils to buff myself and debuff my enemies. I'm using the sorcerer multiclass dedication to get a couple support cantrips and the bane spell. Also using mirror implement so I can solo flank
@@ftg_vader8690 that's awesome. Mirror is so much fun in and out of combat.
My family got the Beginner Box last Christmas (2022), so we started playing PF2 even before WotC's OGL debacle. I DM and my kids created a halfling bard and a cavern elf sorcerer as their first characters instead of playing the pregens included in the box. The sorcerer is loaded up with lighting based cantrips and spells, so that provided a theme/flavor from level 1 for that character. The bard is leaning towards the rogue archetype and feats as a matter of survival now that we are moving on to play Troubles in Otari.
I couldn't help it, I had to make one along with them
Same
Same, I made a half-elf human summoner
Cool video, but just a thing about the Cleric, it's a bit MAD, and it's generally not recommended to dump CHA, because an important ability is based off of CHA, it's still playable if you dumpit but it's better if it's positive, I've even seen people argue that it's better to have CHA as your highest stat over WIS, not saying you did it wrong or anything, just saying so you keep it in mind.
Yeah, mainly because you get extra castings of Heal (or Harm)
And add to that the Divine spell list has several buff spells that don’t require a casting stat to be effective such as Bless, Magic Weapon, Forbidding Ward, Stabilize and at higher levels divine battle forms Heroism etc
@Donald Douds good argument for the War Cleric in particular to focus on CHA over WIS then, since you are going to be attacking you can save your spells for buffs, buffing you and your friends attacks and so on.
Cloistered Cleric might want to have good WIS, though, since they do get good spell proficiency stuff and probably won't be making attacks.
@@dashboots376 that’s the direction o chose with my War Priest but he is more an anchor in the middle buffing healing and blocking attacks.
As someone who's venturing into 2e in a few weeks, I'm so hyped for this video!
Glad to see you guys are enjoying PF2e! I'm looking forward to getting back to PF after so many years away.
Something that you might not know, Monty and Kelly, is the reason there are so many Heritages is because they are including Versatile Heritages, which are available for ALL Ancestries. But Ancestry-bound Heritages are never too many. Versatile Heritages is just a fun way to play with "Hybrid races", like have you ever wondered what a Werebunny Orc would look like? x9.
My first character in PF2e was a Druid. I like how Druids can do a bit of a lot of things and still feel reliable. I played with both Wild Shape and an Animal Companion, but I went more for Wild Shape. I also loved that I could reliably deal damage with spells, heal and be a frontline martial while using druid.
Not sure if someone posted but Gimli's quote is “I'm wasted on cross-country. We dwarves are natural sprinters! Very dangerous over short distances!” Good stuff.
I just hope they love it enough to make a drakkenheim adaption for 2E. They have some cool content.
I’m starting that conversion slowly as I am also running it for my in person group in 5e
oh wow, i would love to see more pathfinder form you guys! Pathfinder 2e really needs more youtubers that have some sort of focus on flavor and roleplay options.
The way you guys described some 5e characters and classes really sold me on them when i still played 5e
Love the layout of Demiplane. I’ve been using PathBuilder and highly recommend it - definitely a more finished product - but Demiplane is probably more aesthetically appealing to most people. Excited for more Pathfinder content from y’all!
It said it was connected to Nexus, which is supposed to be the new DnD Beyond for Pathfinder. Is this the start of increased monetization goals for Paizo? Pathbuilder is mostly free and it is just a one time payment to unlock everything. If such an incomplete project is already sponsoring videos, how hard are they going to push it as the official one stop shop for everything you need to create and run your PF2e games, once their finished?
@@XanderHarris1023 not really, paizo doesn't really do any disgusting monetization tactics. I believe this is going to be a one stop shop for people coming over to the new system who are more familiar with dndbeyond.
Like, paizo likes to promote all the VTT and tools that comes up using Pathfinder, like nexus, alchemy, and pathbuilder.
@@MrBakersdozen2020 They didn't use to but since they took over Foundry and the emergence of things like this, I am definitely seeing attempts to garner a larger profit. I'm not saying that is a bad thing and if they think they can make money off of it, go for it, but this is definitely exploiting the 5e player base that is unaware of their options.
@@XanderHarris1023 fortunately it’s not a paizo product, it’s definitely a money grabbing platform, but at least it’s not theirs
I loved watching you two building rpg staples like elf rogue and dwarf cleric and still make them your own.
I would love to see a follow up sometime where you dig into the classes and ancestries that are pf exclusive -- I feel like I need to see your raw reactions when you read up on the Shoony, Leshy, Conrasu ancestries and more. Or classes like Investigator, Gunslinger, and Magus.
Also can't wait to see you learn about archetypes and the vast amount of character building options it opens up.
Monty's PC gameplay style by his own description is basically "Tell me your favorite thing is all the DM tricks without telling me your favorite thing is all the DM tricks" 😂
Pathfinder 2e is excellent. Welcome aboard! I'm branching into Starfinder these days. Love the science fantasy setting. Wish more TH-camrs would make Starfinder content.
Glad to see them having fun. Character building is one of the strengths of Pathfinder. Two characters of the same class can end up wildly different.
Much appreciate in walking through the pathfinder stuff. I do look forward to more.
My first two characters (I made them at the same time) for pathfinder 2e was a Gnome Alchemist & a human monk.
I've always been dissapointed by 5e's version of the Alchemist, so it was a pleasure to really dive into the crafting system of 2e with a class dedicated to it. I will admit that it turned out to not be my style in the end, but it felt intuitive enough to feel like it did the character justice compared to the Alchemist Artificer from 5e.
The monk was a completely different story. I only really use 2 classes in pathfinder now, and both of those are the monk (strength based & dex based), I've always been a big fan of MMA & Pro Wrestling and the 2e system does a much better job representing the fisticuffs/grappler playstyle I always wanted for the monk.
I agree on monk! The stance system is genius, and monks are by and far my favourite martial to play in this system because of it.
I really appreciate the enthusiasm that you guys have when building your characters. Its a fun process! I'm hoping you'll do more PF2 videos in the future. Thanks for the vid!
I'm just hoping some established content creators stick with Pathfinder videos. I've seen so many that quit after a few videos because DnD is just more popular. But the irony is that DnD is more popular because they have so much content out there for it...... .... but people often make content for it because it's the most popular system. It's a cycle.
I think there's an untapped market in established dnd content creators doing deep dives into playing the game and making comparisons. "2e Champion vs 5e Paladin", "2e Inventor compared to Artificer", the many "Differences in how Fighters play"
Agreed. It's a shame, honestly. Would love those videos, especially as someone who is moving away from 5e to focus fully on PF2
Been waiting for this one 👀 Excited to see what you dudes come up with!
So, Monty's character is nearly spot on to what i made for a rougue, though i went thief racket. Gotta love adding dex to damage...
However, I would've went way different with a cleric. I made a lizardfolk warpriest, with the claws ancestry feat, and developed a lizard folk protector god of the clutch, whose holy weapon are natural claws, giving her 1d8 claw attacks. At 2nd level, took the druid dedication. (We play with free archetype feat, highly recommend...). For stats. Went wisdom (obviously), charisma second (with the +1 thats 4 free heals in the font), then Strength. Also went with field medic background, for free battle medicine at 1st level.
But, that's just me. As always, play what is fun for you, right?
Love your channel, guys! Keep up the great work!
It's great to see you guys branching out from D&D. I really would love to see you do a Cypher System video one day as well! :-)
Pathbuilder is an amazing online tool to use for character creation and It’s free for basic use!
The only time you need to pay is if you want access to some optional rules, but other then that you don’t need to pay for anything!
Really glad to see y’all venture into Pathfinder!
LET'S FUCKING GOOOO!
The first real PF2 campaign I’m in I’m currently a Swashbuckler and it’s a blast. They get a surprising amount of skills so I’m able to be our face and do a sneak/thievery from time to time. Very good damage output and the different ways to gain panache (the mechanic behind a Swashbucklers damage, kind of like sneak attack but also buffs moment speed) I can move around the map, do good damage and demoralize my enemies to set up my fellow PCs and set myself up for more of that good damage. Also with +10 health every level up so they make decent front line with good light armor and a decent CON modifier.
Wilhelm would approve most definitely.
I don’t know if monty noticed but as a scoundrel rogue, your key ability score is actually charisma instead of dexterity. Each racket has a different key ability score. Thief is dex. Mastermind is int. Ruffian is Str.
Thank you for walking through this. I've been considering starting a pathfinder game as a DM, but I've never even built a character. This was a very helpful step by step process.
Its important to remember that the number of devine font spell slots you get is 1 + your CHR mod. With a -1 mod, you have zero devine font spell slots for the Heal spell. A good way to fix this is to either swap the +1 you put into Dex into Chr instead, and if you want more than 1 devine font spell slot to start the game, use the two free ancestry stat boost option and take STR and WIS and start the game with a lower Con (the 1 hp per level you will miss out on wont matter much early and you can take Toughness gen feat at lvl 3 to make up for it).
Glad you're doing more pf2 content
Really REALLY liked this video!! Thanks to you I will check out Demiplane. Hope you keep making PF2 content.
I just GM’d my first game ever, and it was the beginner box. The party is meeting again next Saturday it was so much fun 👍
I've recentely discovered this channel and hopping from video to video. My new hobby is guessing: "What will Kelly's hair look like today" and "Who has the best shirt?"
Congrats on these awesome newb characters!! you're making me want to play All the things All the time!! love your stuff!
Path builder 2e for Android and the web, and Wanderer's Guide (also web) are also excellent options for character building!
Nice video. Looking forward to more Pathfinder 2e material.
I think a great use for one of the rogue's many skill proficiencies is Medicine. Yeah his wisdom isn't going to be great, but having a backup healer is useful and the opportunity cost for a rogue is so low. Sometimes the cleric is the one who needs to be Stabilized. Sometimes you are on the clock and having two guys that can Treat Wounds gets you moving in half the time.
the free ability boost for the dwarf was because you picked the default one. Every ancestry (Except humans) has one free boost in there default boosts, that why you got a flaw there, because you got 3 boosts. For example if the elf would have chosen the default option he would have gotten a boost in DEX, a boost in INT, a flaw in CON and a free boost.
Loving the alternative RPG coverage! Would love an Aliens 3-shot
I need both of your shirts ASAP PLEASE!!!
Excited to see more P2e content from the Dudes!
I just started playing PF2e last night, I'm glad these two have started their game too, I've been watching their 5e content for years
I think when you're doing a video on Pathfinder you should introduce yourselves as the Pathfinder pals
Hooray! I'm so glad the Dudes are including Pathfinder content!
Hope you'll eventually create your own campaign setting. Yeah, different from Drakkenheim. I love that one, but it's very 5e-ish. I hope to see something new.
Nonat1s" also tried this character builder. You may want to check out his experience too.
Really want to get into PF2E, and I hear they're doing a rework due out around November.
Super excited about this one
More PF2 ! We want to see you play !
Good to see you on a new Path double D’s. I’ve have such a fun time creating new characters. Mostly based on cool models that I find
I like going traditional for the first time experiencing a new system.
I always order the same entree when trying a new Chinese restaurant. It establishes a baseline. :)
I’m really interested in switching to P2e for my groups and students. Please run a one off, short campaign or any Drakenhiem vignette you feel appropriate. Love to see Monty run group with his three main partners in crime. Maybe an expansion of one of the adventures created during the pandemic.
A one off with the queen of thieves would be very cool. Have the crew be part of her entourage. New characters
Love to all
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Another awesome video!
I'm a little late but I'm loving seeing you branch out into more games. And I'm enjoying Pathfinder so far! My first character is a frilled lizardfolk champion of the God of Gym Bros. Big Himbo Energy.
My first character took me 10 seconds to come up with. Investigator + Ratfolk = The great mouse detective!. Mix in in blessed one, lore oracle archetype and medic and I was the party skill monkey, archer, healer and I could use divine spells to augment my investigations. My rat familiar got masters form and e would play disguise nonsense. I miss Rono and Roko...
Great video yay for pathfinder
One thing about ability scores, you briefly talk about starting with a less than 18 in your key ability. In math in PF2E being very different from 5e, starting with a 16 or something is actually a huge handicap.
I would say yes and no to this statement. I am currently playing a War Priest Cleric in Strength of Thousands and he has 14 in three stats and I think one 16. His main goal is to raise shield, bless, forbidding ward, and heal. At second level he will add battle medicine to that repertoire. After the free archetype wizard (again all utility and buff spells) he will go champion to gain divine ally shield and the redemption oath.
16 is fine for MAD versatile character. You will be behind dedicated characters but you're still functional
Nice shirts Dudes!
You should really repeat this process with Wanderers Guide (with different characters maybe)
Came for an intro to a new platform. Stayed for the cool shirts
More filters would be useful for all categories.
Kelly if you're looking for some place to put more stickers, there is a whole other side to the top that has LOTS of room for LOTS more stickers!
My first PF2 character is a Gnome Bard. He is a great force multiplier for the Half-Orc Fighter and Human Monk that form the front line. They crit more often with the +1 to hit I give them. Currently level 6.
Really hoping to see a Swashbuckler in the group if they roll out a PF 2E game post Drakkenhiem. I've fallen in live with this class, and am hoping to be able to find a PF 2E game soon to try one out.
Thank you for your video
I'm digging these Pathfinder videos. It's a system I've been wanting to try for a while, being almost solely 5e for years. Question though: how hard would it be to shift a Drakkenheim campaign into a P2e game? I want to run Drakkenheim with my friends soon and would love to also be able to do Pathfinder with it if that's possible.
Notably you can intimidate another creature that doesn't understand you, but your intimidation check takes a -4 penalty.
Unless you have Intimidating Glare as a skill feat which removes the “linguistic” tag from the demoralize action
I've heard people talk about Demiplane before but I have never actually used it but my goodness it looks clean as hell.
Love this!
Ive recently bought one of the pathfinder video games, looking forward to create a character there and start a new adventure.
Just as a heads up -- the pathfinder videogames are excellent and definitely worth playing, although it is worth noting that they are based on the pathfinder 1e system, so it won't work like the character building in this video (which is for 2e)
Have a blast though, both games are amazing and you're going to have a great time.
Wasn't aware of that, thank you!
That's one thing why I love Pathfinder over Dnd5e... really feeling like you are building a unique character. So nice to custom build a lot easier vs 5e
Kelly, that shirt is the revenge of the 80s by way of cubism and I love it.
They're finally making their own version of Beyond! That will really help. Certainly encourages me... now... all those books to buy. Oh boy.
It’s not their, it’s from another company, they just have paizo’s permission, that’s why of the absurd pricetag. I think paizo takes a 15 dollars share from every book sold there, if you want a free alternative go with wanderer’s guide if you like the shiny feel or pathbuilder if you want something more compact, powerful, customisable and for only 5 dollars one time (you don’t even need to pay that lol, it just adds some stuff and cloud support)
I love the different laptop styles. One is fully decked out in stickers and one has none.
The first character I made for PF2e was an Undine Catfolk Rogue Thief, a catfish if you will :3
It's worth noting that although there are a LOT of options, they are all balanced against each other so there is much less pressure to choose the "correct" ones than 5e.
Systems mastery in PF2 comes from choices in play, not choices on the character sheet
I spy a portrait that is straight up a racoon and I LOVE that
Super cool, keep it up
Just Remember Kelly Prepared Casters and Spontanious Caster function VASTLY diffrent then they do in 5e
Prepared Casters while you can swap spells like normal a prepared caster, however if you put Bless once like ya did and magic weapon like you did that means you can only cast EACH OF THOSE SPELLS ONCE PER LONG REST, You cant cast Bless twice because you only prepared 1 Bless spell you have to use both your spell slots to list Bless in both of them in order to cast it more than once, same goes for Magic Weapon. So RN you can only use both Bless and Magic weapon only once per day.
Spontanious Casters work just like they do in 5e you have a # of spell slots and you can cast any spells you have memorized. their is a Divine Spontanious Caster in the form of the Orcale, but that class is VERY complicated for a New player to pathfinder 2e.
Also Occultism deals with any spells involving mindcontrol or manipilation of thought and are primarily used by Bards.
Been playing kingmaker on pc and love a scaled fist/sorcerer build.
Fr Kelly going to love the PF2 Remaster for the Warpriest doctrine. Hitting people and healing ✨️ in fluid movements
I would love to see you guys do a Pathfinder campaign. It's actually a great game.
I know this was just making 1st level character but I actually think it would have been kind of cool if there was a little bit more at the end of them leveling up to 2nd level just to show off that process.
So my first character. We actually use the Dual-Class variant rules which are like "Super Multiclassing" rules so I made a Goblin Alchemist-Wizard who is all about blowing stuff up and being focused on area/splash damage. I'm not 19th level with him and it has been a ton of fun! Although I admit that Alchemist is one of the most complicated classes and pairing it with Wizard, not a simple class either, has made him super complicated! But I like that in my games honestly.
I love how Kelly's laptop is covered in stickers and Monty's is pristine out of the box looking 😂
I was beaten to the punch but the laptop difference is iconic.
I love seeing you Dude branching out into Pathfinder! Do you know if Demiplane has or will have the ability to enable/disable available options by book? It would be far less intimidating to be able to limit options to the Core Rulebook only, for example. It looks like every option from every book is currently shown, which is a LOT.
Pathbuilder does! Don’t personally use demiplane cause the 500 dollars pricetag is too much for me, so I don’t know about it
@@nonsinergizza25 Yeah, I knew Pathbuilder did. That's why I was curious about Demiplane.
@@kelltainer66 understood! Sorry for the inappropriate response
@@nonsinergizza25 No worries!
Love the content (though more lukewarm on pf2 😛)!
My first pf2 character was an Elven Rogue Thief/Cleric Archetype armed with an Elven Curve Blade, based on reasoning similar to Monty's. We were a small party, 3 people, and I combined damage dealing with skill utility and skill-based healing.
I intended to build something like a tomb raider character and figured the Cleric Archetype would give me additional utility through access to Cleric spells, which sadly didn't work so well.
It's my favorite pf2 character still as I feel martial classes are the big winners in the 3-action economy and Skill Feats, of which Rogues get twice as many as every other class, represent the most meaningful way of making a more diverse character in pf2.
Expounding on the Cleric Archetype side of things I found the spellcasting utility really limited due to;
* Having a lower casting stat than a main caster
* Having lower casting proficiency than a main caster
* Having lower level spell slots
* The Counteract check rules
* The limited utility of pf2 spells compared to their 5e counterparts. (Example; Freedom of Movement is very limited in how and what it can actually free you from.)
Funnily enough my next character was a Cloistered Cleric/Champion Archetype character and from that experience I'd argue that CHA is actually the most important ability for a Cleric, as I would have traded my DC and spell attack rolls for an additional max-level Heal any day of the week.
If I end up playing pf2 again I'd play another martial class, Rogue Thief being highest on the list.
I'd love to see you play some pf2!
I always use the two boosts variant because not all ability flaws are equal. Elves (and, I believe, kobolds) are royally screwed over in PF 2E if using the ability flaw option because their ability flaw is CON.
If you're playing, say, a goblin, you can take the hit on WIS and just avoid WIS-dependent classes and except for some skills and the odd Will save, you'll be fine. This means you get to put your free boost wherever you like.
If you're playing an elf, you do not have the luxury of doing that because CON is vital for everyone unless you have a death wish. An elf will almost certainly end up putting the 'free' boost on CON so it at least doesn't get a negative modifier, so effectively, playing an elf means paying a boost tax.
Finally!