D&D Has 8 Types of Combat, Actually

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  • @LollerTrollers
    @LollerTrollers หลายเดือนก่อน +747

    17 years of running D&D and I've only ever considered combat as a way to resolve stories, not to create and expand them. Reminder that there's always more to learn.

    • @Xenibalt
      @Xenibalt หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      good luck on ending more campaigns, hope your players find the time too =]

    • @karatekoala4270
      @karatekoala4270 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LollerTrollers I began thinking of ways too use combat in expanding the story more after I started writing.

    • @jerryliu5375
      @jerryliu5375 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You don’t even have to make the objective to win. Having players run from a monster or escape from a group can be just as fun and rewarding for them.

    • @twilightgardenspresentatio6384
      @twilightgardenspresentatio6384 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LollerTrollers for me it’s where the bad guys shout out all of the exposition of all the clues that the players skipped because they wanted to spend time shopping or asking about the barkeeps dogs name.

  • @negative6442
    @negative6442 หลายเดือนก่อน +1016

    I propose a ninth: The all-out battle. Characterized by hordes of weaker enemies alongside bigger ones and even possible elite-tier badguys. But it's not just the players fighting them, they also have allies. This could be an army of their own or collection of elite NPCs, likely allies they've built up over the course of the campaign or just relevant to a particular story arc. There might also be a set of actual objectives here. Kill the commander, defend a point, hold a point, take a point, route the enemy, buy time, capture a target. You name it.
    For inspiration for these, I like to look to wargames and movies. 40K and Lancer (yes I know its an RPG) both have a number of tactical objectives you can borrow whole cloth. I've even ran a naval battle directly inspired by the maelstrom battle at the end of Pirates of the Caribbean 3, where the players and their allies were tasked with taking down a treasure fleet carrying tons upon tons of gold.
    Anyway, subscribed.

    • @ZarchAlDain
      @ZarchAlDain หลายเดือนก่อน +76

      You would never run the larger battle as a combat though.
      You would narratively describe the wider battle and then only use the D&D mechanics for anything where the players get involved.
      Otherwise you just spend an hour with the players watching you roll dice with yourself.

    • @ScaredJade
      @ScaredJade หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      these battles can be a lot of fun, but you definitely have to use them sparingly because huge amounts of enemies and allies really slows down the game, so it could easily leave players not engaged

    • @negative6442
      @negative6442 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      @@ZarchAlDain You can absolutely run larger battles as a combat, or at least segments of them that are still fairly large. Troop-type NPCs as seen in Pathfinder (swarms made up of Small or larger sized creatures) can take a dozen+ entities and make them a single enemy, allowing you to keep the battle densely populated while requiring far less micromanagement and dice rolling, and can be used for both allies and enemies. There are also minion types, which are normal statblocks but will go down in 1-2 hits regardless of where they came from, if you wanna get more in on the micro.
      I've also heard of people pre-determining the actions that troops can take and full-on eliminating the dice rolls between allied and enemy NPCs. Another strategy is to simply let the players command or even directly control allied NPCs (usually these troops) so that they're always playing and not watching you fight yourself. Effectively, they're playing a Warhammer game against you. Pathfinder 1e (idk if 2e has these rules yet) also had a large-scale combat rule system. I don't particularly enjoy it personally, but I'm sure someone can and has gotten mileage out of it. I know it's a large part of Wrath of the Righteous at least.

    • @negative6442
      @negative6442 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@ScaredJade Absolutely. I wouldn't recommend running these particularly often, maybe just a few times per campaign at most. Any more than that and it becomes a bit of a chore for your players, and a bit of a headache to prep for.

    • @jeg2826
      @jeg2826 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      This is where you'd use the mass combat rules from older editions of D&D e.g. BECMI that are just straight up missing from modern editions 😢
      Wouldnt be too hard to convert, but a simpler approach is just to treat each unit of troops as a single statblock with an attack and damage roll and a number of HP equivalent to the number of soldiers in the unit, and every time they get "hit" they lose a number of troops equivalent to the damage roll, and their attack bonus is reduced. Use morale rules, so roll for morale when half the troops in a unit are dead, etc

  • @dragonfan8647
    @dragonfan8647 หลายเดือนก่อน +443

    Tip for the ambush: allow smart players to learn about the ambush ahead of time.
    Once my players took the time to climb up a wall to look through the high windows and saw the cultists hiding inside waiting for them. This changed the entire situation, as they knew where the enemies where, but those were also aware of them and in advantageous positions, so they had to figure out a strategy. It became a great combat

    • @techwizsmith7963
      @techwizsmith7963 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Exactly. Don't explicitly decide which of these combats it will be, set the scene for one and let the players interact with the ability to flip the script if they have the appropriate planning and care. If nothing they could have done would have helped them, then their investment takes a nosedive

    • @thomasbourchier8715
      @thomasbourchier8715 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@techwizsmith7963 don't even need to explicitly let them see the attackers beforehand, give them some narrative foreshadowing, an innkeeper who warns them about travelling merchants going missing along this part of the trail, that there's unusal goblin activity and they're being bolder than normal. Give your party a reason to be suspicious and to prompt them to make those rolls.

    • @Muireachgaming8957
      @Muireachgaming8957 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well, that depends on the party's decisions... do they have the foresight to scout?

    • @techwizsmith7963
      @techwizsmith7963 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Muireachgaming8957 They'll learn to consider it afterwards, I believe

    • @dadofthedead1094
      @dadofthedead1094 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And the Ambush becomes a targeted strike...or vice versa! Great ideas.

  • @babzm.1666
    @babzm.1666 หลายเดือนก่อน +393

    12:37 imagine being named Lazarus and being the one PC who doesn’t come back lol

    • @MumboJ
      @MumboJ หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I feel like there must be a story there.

    • @kiritotheabridgedgod4178
      @kiritotheabridgedgod4178 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      "His name is Lazarus, of course he has a self revive."
      "Actually, I don't..."
      "... Well, we're out of diamonds."

    • @Kirk9019
      @Kirk9019 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Literally killed a PC named Lazarus last session I ran. Took 2 failed death saves from a melee strike and then got ice stormed before he even rolled 1 death save. Thankfully the druid had revivify and diamonds.

    • @MumboJ
      @MumboJ หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Kirk9019 In my experience the majority of deaths do not involve rolling death saves, but maybe that's just me.

    • @denismatveev3584
      @denismatveev3584 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Named a Paladin char Lazarus. First ever death roll - nat 20

  • @FigN06
    @FigN06 หลายเดือนก่อน +268

    There's another type of fight that gm's should plan for- ones where the players' goal is separate from killing all enemies. Easy examples are retrieving an item during combat, destroying or activating several structures on the playing field, protecting a npc, freeing a trapped npc, or even escaping from the combat location. Any non-combat goals within combat vary play immensely, and are also really great for creating stakes if player characters are more or less narratively invincible. So with extra goals you get to have real fail states that players care about but are not life and death for them.

    • @Mystic-Arts-DM
      @Mystic-Arts-DM  หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      I completely agree! I want to make a video on adding objectives into combats, because I think that's separate from a combat's type. Any combat type can have any objective. And then you can mix and match depending on your story's needs.

    • @benjucius5275
      @benjucius5275 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I think your describing the puzzle genre

    • @Synfang
      @Synfang หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@FigN06 Agreed on this, and "protecting a NPC" is actually a combat objective I used regularly in my one campaign. For context, the BBEG of this campaign has the capture and/or killing of a few particular NPCs as his personal win con in the long term, so between this and the fact that he initially kinda just feels sorry for the player characters' circumstances more than anything (from his perspective, the player characters are just cannon fodder to be tossed aside once the party's done the dirty work by the people in charge who should actually be taking this fight), the player characters are in many (but not all or even most, as the BBEG's faction aren't the only antagonist faction) encounters the enemies' secondary targets.

    • @Xgya2000
      @Xgya2000 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      In the 3.5 Elder Evils book, there's one particular fight against an Inevitable that's attempting to end what it thinks an unawful imprisonment... that'll destroy the Universe if the prisoner is freed.
      So the Inevitable spends most of the fight defending itself, and hacking away at the prison itself.
      I've played through that encounter many times.
      Playing through that fight and having players attempt to move the Inevitable away from the crystal, grappling it, trying distracting spells, none of them ever really feels similar, because the encounter forces non-standard tactics to play out.

  • @warprail
    @warprail หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    I recently did a 'Bait and Switch', which I would characterize as a blend of the 'Targeted Strike' and 'Puzzle, Actually'.
    Party were taking out a nest of ankhegs; hatchlings, adults, and a brood mother as a boss. The nest was underground, and the vibration of the battle attracted the attention of a bulette. The party are tired, and have almost killed the brood mother. Victory is assured. It is then that a portion of the ceiling collapses, the bulette crashes through, and handily kills the last of the ankhegs. The bulette then detected the party and came after THEM.
    They're low on resources. They have injured followers. They have to run, back through all of the tunnels and traps that brought them down here. Their goal was not to defeat the bulette, but delay it long enough to keep their most vulnerable away from it. They used narrow passages to their advantage, turned the traps they had avoided against the bulette, and managed to escape with every NPC they had rescued intact. Very proud of my players.

    • @GlacialScion
      @GlacialScion หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@warprail My players would be fighting to the death immediately.

    • @SamLabbato
      @SamLabbato หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I always love doing something like this as a last hurrah for every dungeon or "mega-dungeon" i throw at my party. something that forces them to leave quickly, either through natural disaster, boss, or both

  • @nikkoelven
    @nikkoelven 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    As a professional GM, I cannot put in words how much I love this: your style, narration, information, humor, everything. Top notch, from start to finish. I bet it is a blessing to be a player at your table. Instantly subscribed!

  • @bookworm3696
    @bookworm3696 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    I think i have different ways of viewing combat. Here's how i would define them.
    Skirmish: 2 opposing forces meet randomly
    Ambush: enemy gets the drop on the party.
    Assault: party gets the drop on enemy.
    The duel: enemy and party knowingly enter combat in a specified place
    The arena: boss fight on enemies home turf. Good to add lair actions to.
    The last stand: party fight an enemy where they have home field advantage.
    The hunt: enemy wishes to leave combat, the party cannot let them.
    The escape: party for one reason or another needs to leave combat the enemy isnt to keen on letting them.
    The scramble: both the party and the enemy have a 3rd objective to complete. Winner is the one to complete it.

    • @CrissaKentavr
      @CrissaKentavr หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Oh, yeah. The scramble and escape... Like his description of the 'The Ambush' - having the map suddenly get bigger or smaller is a keen way to change the dynamics of a fight. And big spaces let characters play on their movement.

    • @MarvelOfRain
      @MarvelOfRain หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think your view should really depend on what you want to get out of it. Your example is nice if you struggle with motivation of enemies and combat goals for pre-determined encounters. I have some nice Scrabmles and Hunts planned and agree that thinking in this way is awesome!
      But if you are planning for example a goblin hideout you don't know how your players will approach it and there are more important things to prepare. Stuff like do I want for this fight to be challenging and if so then in what ways? You can easily improvise the actual fight type to make it correspond with what players decided to do (add hostages, bugbear ambushers, messengers to ran off and inform other hideouts). However thinking about the general tactics of your monsters and adding some ways to challenge your players is much more important in that case (like a wizard with counterspells if they are all casters, area of darkness to limit range characters or battlements to bombard the melee characters).

    • @sanemalk9957
      @sanemalk9957 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I had immediately thought of The Duel too. Besides the possible high stakes for the character in the duel, it can be a great way to pressure the rest of the party if they should intervene or not. Or it could be an interesting way for an NPC to test if the party is worthy of their aid. I'd be very careful not to overuse it, but a good duel can really give a player their spotlight moment in the campaign.

    • @sketter1775
      @sketter1775 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think there's another type of fight: The Chaos. 3 or more parties each opposing one another.

    • @bookworm3696
      @bookworm3696 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @sketter1775 i think the big difference of both our classifications is focused by our perspectives. He goes for narrative feel and mine as the answer to 4 questions.
      Question 1) who knows about the coming conflict?
      Question 2) do either party have prep time?
      Question 3) Do either party have a home field advantage?
      Question 4) does either party have a good reason to stay fighting?
      By building around the answer to those 4 questions can add a little bit of dynamic flair to your encounters.

  • @link090909
    @link090909 หลายเดือนก่อน +217

    This is the first time seeing a video from this channel. Within 90 seconds, I have a strong suspicion this guy has watched a lot of Matt Colville, and I mean that as a high compliment!

    • @Mystic-Arts-DM
      @Mystic-Arts-DM  หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      You got me.

    • @Cenitopius
      @Cenitopius หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@Mystic-Arts-DM The "boss battle" figurine of the floating golden dude reminded me of Ajax the Invincible actually

    • @PatricioJones
      @PatricioJones หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      lil matt colville

    • @ruolbu
      @ruolbu หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I feel like your delivery, intonation, emphasis is very similar to matts presentation style

    • @TrevorLima-Bybell
      @TrevorLima-Bybell 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@link090909 it wasn’t this video that the algorithm suggested to me first, but I got the same vibe from Mystic Arts as I did Matt Colville. And that’s why I stuck around.

  • @gusteinnfannar7019
    @gusteinnfannar7019 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

    I like how you link the combat and the story together. That's definitely something I could use more of

    • @ReadyMack-g
      @ReadyMack-g หลายเดือนก่อน

      " No matter how good the story wont survive /or be to be quality iif the DM is saddled with a Lame'o group of players" - Chris Perkins

  • @DoubleCritFail
    @DoubleCritFail หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    This is amazing. One of the best and well-presented videos on combat encounters I've seen.

  • @gamewrit0058
    @gamewrit0058 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    4:00 The most paranoid my main 5e group has ever been was when in my sister's campaign, the description of the way forward included a cute little white bunny rabbit. We immediately froze in fear, and our PCs spent 5 or 10 minutes with skill checks figuring out that, no, it wasn't the Monty Python rabbit, and it was safe to continue down the trail. 😂😂😂 She hadn't even intended for that detail to be dangerous, but she has caught us unawares with other ambushes.😊❤

  • @lootgoblinmarketplace
    @lootgoblinmarketplace หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    This is great! Sometimes just have a name for encounters you already intuitively know exist makes it just that much easier to be mindful of it when planning your next session. Never would have known how to word the stomping grounds encounter, but hearing you say that name it definitely clicked.

  • @GodofChaos45
    @GodofChaos45 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Stomping grounds can be fun. I love making terrified goblin noises as the paladin rushes straight for a heavily outmatched little minion.

  • @seeranos
    @seeranos หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I think the fundamental mistake DMs make around combat encounters is making the goal of both sides be merely destroying the opposition. You lump them into puzzle fights, but its a basic tenet of storytelling to give characters clear motivations. Every battle should have at least one parallel goal for players and npcs. Each side can have the same or different goals, but their opponents' choice to deny them their goal is merely an obstacle between them and their goal. What this does is it means every battle can have more outcomes than just "you win or you die." DMs tend to not want all their players to die to an encounter, so a simple battle boils down to "You win, eventually". But with parallel/orthogonal goals, each side always has the choice to retreat, either to regroup for another attempt at the goal, or to preserve their strength once their goal is achieved.

  • @798Muchoman
    @798Muchoman หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    The types of combat you identify, and the terms you used for them, are great. It's a very useful architecture for looking at it. Helps remind us as DMs that the enemies have different goals.

  • @jakodar
    @jakodar หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I spent quite a bit of time with this video - I watched it multiple times. Once for enjoyment, once for analysis and notes and a final time to outline it. It really is a good video. I am looking through my typical game-styles to see where I could benefit from this and plan to try more variety. There are already some combat encounters in our recent sessions where I can identify where my players would have had more fun. Thanks!

  • @moogamooga2100
    @moogamooga2100 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is BRILLIANT and I agree with your points! I especially like and appreciate your examples. Too many D&D channels talk about the principles without giving good examples; your examples were INSTANTLY understandable and recognizable. Made me say “ohhh, yeah, I know how I can do that in MY game.”

  • @BlackGarland
    @BlackGarland หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I really appreciate the thought process here. I think it's important for combat to serve some sort of purpose, and this video illustrates that very well. It's really easy to throw around combat just for the sake of combat, or to kill time. Combat is a narrative tool as well, and it certainly takes some finesse to utilize it effectively.

  • @processedsoy
    @processedsoy หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is absolute fire. Great video! Especially helpful for new GMs like me. The way you organize the information, articulate the words your speaking and the points you're presenting, fantastic.

    • @Mystic-Arts-DM
      @Mystic-Arts-DM  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it was helpful! Thanks so much!

  • @mikec64
    @mikec64 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    This was concise, FRESH, and so helpful. Subscribed!

  • @azurewraith2585
    @azurewraith2585 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    The one I would add to this is the chase scene. fights where mobility is paramount to winning the battle

    • @Alex-tx7ih
      @Alex-tx7ih หลายเดือนก่อน

      And where the actual combat isn't necessary, or is only strategic . Call of Cthulhu uses a pseudo board game to detail out a whole path, with the potential for branches and obstacles along the way.

    • @emrek99205
      @emrek99205 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      While out shopping in town one or two of the party notice townsfolk getting robbed. They're too late to stop the robbery but must chase down the thief through the streets of the city.
      How this ends could be different. Perhaps the thief turns to fight. Maybe they hole up in a house on the edge of town and make a stand there.
      Either way, the party members aren't going to be launching fireballs or shooting arrows around because literally the residents are in the way. Best they can do is give chase and hope they can out-maneuver through the obstacle course and capture the dexterous speedy thief.

    • @Alex-tx7ih
      @Alex-tx7ih หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@emrek99205 My sweet summer child, this is how you realize that your friends *will* literally shoot fireballs in the street around civilians. (only partially joking lol)

    • @MarvelOfRain
      @MarvelOfRain หลายเดือนก่อน

      On lower levels sure, but on higher levels this breaks easily - with teleport spells flying and such it very quickly outgrows anything you can bound within the limit of a board or even theater of mind combat arena. I have special rules for chase scenes - essentially recording the distance difference and introducing complications along the way.

    • @emrek99205
      @emrek99205 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MarvelOfRain Anything the players can do, the NPC can do before them. If the players teleport in, have the NPC teleport out. If the players tag them with a Wizard Mark, the NPC Erases it. If they divine where the NPC will be, have the NPC divine how to not be there.
      Just cause the players have options, don't take options away from the NPCs unless you really want them to win the chase with near zero effort or stress. It is supposed to be a challenging chase scene, not an out-smart-the-idiot scene.

  • @Chodor101
    @Chodor101 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    I also like: hopeless
    Players encounter a monster that CANNOT be defeated at their level or current point in time, but what they can do is run and slow it down so they can escape and hide.
    It works as great introduction to a big fat boss that they will want to beat later.

    • @MrFlashpoint1978
      @MrFlashpoint1978 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Very much CR and the arrival of the Chroma Conclave... "19 misses?!?!"

    • @HLGJammer
      @HLGJammer หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I tried that but it didn't work. I debuffed the enemy too much.
      2 of the 4 lvl 6 party members were playing, intro'd an adult gold dragon in human form. He almost killed 1, and had about 20 hp when we ended the session.

    • @Chodor101
      @Chodor101 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@HLGJammer That's why I called it hopeless, my party of 5 lvl 7 killed an adult green dragon in it's lair along with his dragonborn guard, giant hydra guardian and goblin ambush, all in one session with no rests [fights were separate though].
      For this to work you have to pick something that could WIPE them turn 1 and make it spend that turn playing with them / killing other stuff / mocking them.
      Critical role and chroma conclave is a good example of that like someone mentioned.

    • @sleepinggiant4062
      @sleepinggiant4062 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Players usually don't make heroes that run away from fights. This needs to be bluntly telegraphed.

    • @HLGJammer
      @HLGJammer หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Chodor101it likely would have worked if I didn't dumb down the stats, but they also have some goodies they likely wouldn't have if we started at lvl 1 (first time players, we started at level 5 for the halibut).

  • @ShirotoraGodsbane
    @ShirotoraGodsbane หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    There's an irony that the one PC that couldn't be resurrected was named Lazarus

    • @Dimble_Gobblefern
      @Dimble_Gobblefern 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ShirotoraGodsbane yeah

    • @deltnira
      @deltnira 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Haha not everybody can get this one but it is a great one 😂

  • @canned_arbys
    @canned_arbys หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This channel is a brilliant gem, and I am so excited to learn more from you! I struggle with setting up battles that don't bore my party and this has completely changed the way I think about building them! Thank you 🙏😭

  • @ChocoliThunder
    @ChocoliThunder 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bro I love how serious you are! Passionate, concise, and very knowledgeable. *subscribed*

  • @noahrice3362
    @noahrice3362 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That was pretty eye-opening, actually. I've never really thought too deep on all the different combat niches. But that's honestly really cool.
    That said, I do feel like you probably could have pointed out chase sequences as well, not all of them count as combat, but if you know how to use them effectively, I feel like they could be even more engaging than a normal battle!
    Honestly, I'm glad I happened upon this. Thanks for a cool new look at things.

  • @tolvomondronen6701
    @tolvomondronen6701 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing video! I love your style of storytelling/teaching. You explained things in a digestible and engaging way. Not too much fluff, just enough embleshiment and context to sell each bullet point.

  • @spiritandsteel
    @spiritandsteel หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I highly recommend taking a look at the SitRep system from Lancer (a tactical mecha ttrpg with heavy influence from 4e d&d.)
    Sitreps are a series of, essentially, templates for combat that pilots may encounter in a mission. Each sitrep represents a different objective for combat, very few of which include “defeat everyone”. Instead they’re things like: control this point for x number of rounds; escort this npc safely to the extraction zone; survive against overwhelming odds for long enough to let someone else escape; enter this fortified area, grab the objective, and flee with it; etc.
    There’s a bit of legwork to make this kind of template work in a non-sci-fi, non-military setting, but the thing that I find so compelling about sitreps is the way that those objectives just ooze story possibilities. If the pc’s job isn’t just “hit all the baddies till they stop moving” it immediately lends itself to more immersive storytelling. What are they protecting? Who are they escorting? What do they need to retrieve?
    In short: one should always look towards varying the objectives of a combat, not just the particulars of it.

  • @Gidonamor
    @Gidonamor หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is a great video! I really like the categories you presented!
    Gives me new ideas for the horde encounter next session...

  • @TalesFromElsewhereGames
    @TalesFromElsewhereGames หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great video! Excited to see what else comes from your channel, it's off to an excellent start!

    • @Mystic-Arts-DM
      @Mystic-Arts-DM  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks so much! And welcome along!

  • @shaunbrender
    @shaunbrender หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video deserves way more views. Very high quality, great presentation, and fun ideas I hadn't considered yet.

  • @kirailove4207
    @kirailove4207 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I’m shocked how few subs you have, awesome video, you’re going to do amazing on this platform man

  • @inrisd3704
    @inrisd3704 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Ran a boss fight recently where the boss started attacking while they rolled initiative
    Told them they have 20s to take a turn or the boss gets a free hit
    Immediate panic and scramble, very memorable

    • @itsamine4840
      @itsamine4840 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That’s a great way to plan chase action too. Where if they don’t do anything automatically take dash action call it a turn.

  • @elishamorgan
    @elishamorgan หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Loved this. Thank you. It's good to get a refresher on how to expand and adapt combat and the story.

  • @unseensounds
    @unseensounds หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I never saw your channel but my recommendations insisted I watched this and boy am I glad I did. Amazing job on the production value I’m subbing!

  • @glaedrludos
    @glaedrludos หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    been running games for my best friends around 4 years now. i've watched so many different content creators, read tons of books, and i think your method of explaining and just overall feel to your videos are fantastic for how i take in information! already binged the videos you've got so far, and definitely gonna be watching whatever stuff you put out next! :DDDD

  • @jam14732
    @jam14732 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great stuff, I recognize how these various types could be applied to various encounters in my games. Thanks for out, lighting them so clearly and sharing examples.

  • @justinarreaga4731
    @justinarreaga4731 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    20 year TTRPG veteran here, keep up the good work. I consume A LOT of TTRPG content, yours is high quality. Thank you.

  • @thomaspoteete4119
    @thomaspoteete4119 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Something I'd also recommend as a way to help build encounters is "Objectives and Scenarios," which plays very nicely with the ideas presented here.
    Objectives are what you think if you've played any shooter. "Do this task to win." Think of this as win conditions for both your players and their opponents. The simplest objective is Rout, where you just kill every enemy. However, there's also Escort, where you protect something/someone from the other team. There's Capture, the obvious counter to the Escort objective. There's also the Survive and the Beat the Clock objectives, where you either try to survive a certain amount of time until you're saved, or accomplish something in a certain amount of time, halting a much worse situation.
    There's also the Scenarios, which are more like specific enemies or battlefield hazards that make situations more perilous or tactically interesting. Maybe you have the Specialist scenario, where the opponents are much better equipped right off the bat, like Mounted enemies who's objective against the player is Capture. There's the Dynamic Terrain, where the battlefield shifts as the fight goes on, such as trying to escape down a mountainside being blocked by Fire Elementals as a stream of lava slowly encroaches behind you. There's also Mixed Units, where you combine multiple different combat units together with a tactical plan, such as skirmisher enemies blocking the exit to a canyon, archers on the cliffs, and cavalry heading up the exit, all lead by a powerful wizard that casts save-or-suck spells.
    Combining these Objectives and Scenarios is different ways makes every single fight different. Do you find yourself throwing your players against only Rout objectives? Give them a big "Beat the Clock" map where they have to ring a sacred bell that seals demon gates, and if they don't by turn 10, they have to deal with significantly stronger enemies. Keep throwing the same generic goblins at them? Put those goblins on the backs of Giant Vultures and have them circling their airship, peppering them with arrows, fire magic, and bombs, and the only way to beat them besides killing them all is for you to survive long enough to cross into a Bronze Dragon's domain to chase them off.
    I love the ideas presented in the video and hope my ideas can further bolster what you can do at the table. Stay safe, have fun!

  • @berenscott9347
    @berenscott9347 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellently paced & engaging delivery, well thought out with good attention to possible caveats. You encourage the viewer to think for themselves as well. I look forward to learning more from your videos and hope you grow in popularity exponentially - Would be well deserved based on this video. Excited about applying your ideas in my sessions - 2 years in as a DM and loving it!

  • @danieltallent4243
    @danieltallent4243 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was interesting, I had to go back and rewatch parts because your stories spawned new ideas and I got lost. Thank you

  • @williamdegauven6090
    @williamdegauven6090 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video -- saving this for later! I'd add the "Base under Siege" as another fight type: basically, defend a location from incoming attackers.

    • @Pramerios
      @Pramerios 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Love this!

  • @joshhighburger8869
    @joshhighburger8869 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow. I'm gonna need to go through this video a few times to make sure I don't miss all the great content, instantly subbed. Thank you so much for the fantastic content!

  • @bennie1079
    @bennie1079 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I know this might sound obvious to some
    but the BEST thing our dm has ever done for our encounters, is letting us interact with the world and letting the world interact with us.
    He sometimes has a "room" initiative during combat, where a cave collapses or skeletons are summoned from the ground.
    Or the other way around, we had a spell caster attach their spell medium to a crane, while having our fighter man the crane and steer it around to hit several enemies with a usual stationary damage spell (I don't remember the spell).
    But details such as "on the battlefield there are two large operable cranes, most likely used haul ship containers, but now abandoned due to the ensuing fight." is a great way to give us out of the ordinary tools to use during combat! :)

  • @dapperdarlingdm5723
    @dapperdarlingdm5723 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    With my party at level 20, i regularly use hordes of monsters. I created stat blocks based on low cr monsters and modified their stats to reflect that it is a Gargantuan sized mass.
    As their hp reduces, they become less effective, even flee.
    It also great narrative. Having the barbarian swing their hammer and smash half a dozen rat men to the floor in a single bloody swing is appealing, or the ranged fighter unleashed a blizzard of arrows. Yes, it's one attack, but it's more fun to describe.
    If you need help with descriptions, read gotrex and Felix books 😂

  • @michaelguth4007
    @michaelguth4007 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I had a chase scene combat through a canyon. Using modular terrain blocks (RP Archive inspired), I always moved the board further, disassembled the parts too far behind and assembled what was ahead of the players.
    In front of them were dozens of wounded enemies who used the canyon to retreat from a battle, while from behind, they were chased by fresh enemies. Wounded meant that enemies died by taking any hit larger 11 damage or two hits of any damage.
    The goal of the players was to reach the camp of their allies.

  • @lpjdrummer12295
    @lpjdrummer12295 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm glad I stumbled on this channel. Gladly subscribed. This is a wonderful video.

  • @Teramis
    @Teramis หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is a really, really excellent breakdown of combat types and the functions they serve in the game. I used to design games for TSR and other publishers, and it would have been so helpful back in the day to have this kind of very specific framework through which to critically assess a work in progress. You've done a great job of teasing out important distinctions and nuances in combat encounters--and all in such a brief and concise vid. Kudos to you. Subscribing now!

  • @LoLo-ry8xw
    @LoLo-ry8xw หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well crafted video!! I’m starting my first campaign in 2 weeks as a DM. This video made the combat I’ll introduce more diverse and unique! I’ve seen a lot of DnD accounts but you’ll already my favorite :) keep it up!!

  • @TheJediMoose
    @TheJediMoose หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    holy shit this video is incredibly well made, was expecting a massive channel. Great job keep it up i want to use these in my games.

  • @ra1nyran
    @ra1nyran หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    remember us when your channel goes huge!!

    • @Mystic-Arts-DM
      @Mystic-Arts-DM  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hahaha! That's sweet! Help us make it happen!

  • @azukar8
    @azukar8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love this guide, I'm a fairly new DM and always looking to find ways of making combat more varied. You've given me some great ideas

    • @Mystic-Arts-DM
      @Mystic-Arts-DM  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We've got more coming! Thanks for watching!

  • @expychristian
    @expychristian หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    May I suggest "the Duel?"
    Where the party besides their chosen duelist do not engage in combat, but actually in espionage and social "combat"; wherein they might parry any attempts to sabotage the duel. Its less combat-oriented for the entire party as a whole, sure.
    But it gives the others, who might not actually excel in combat (think a bard or illusionist wizard) a way to test their skills outside of actual combat while giving them the tension and engagement that can really show how decisive and/or creative they can be.
    Great video. I like that you touched upon how combat encounters can gradually tell a story over time, without even missing a beat.

    • @reedber
      @reedber หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great video! I was checking to see if anyone said "duel" :)
      The Duel is excellent fun. Here, for some reason, you can't rely on your teammates and they can't help you. All they can do is watch helplessly as their wizard faces off against a similarly leveled wizard. It can be a friendly contest, or an epic battle with the weight of the world riding on it. I love the idea that everyone's all geared up for a big battle and turns out, it's all down to the Bard. "Wait, what?!"

    • @expychristian
      @expychristian หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @reedberkowitz583 @reedberkowitz583 It brings that gladiator-swashbuckling energy that I feel can play along any plot line, especially if a bunch of the party are more utility in power and ability than actual combat. Its also far more open ended than just your typical battle. So yeah! I would agree, it's great fun and all-round versatile.

    • @reedber
      @reedber หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@expychristian agree! Also turns the spotlight on some players that might feel lost in the background :)

  • @aisushitai2680
    @aisushitai2680 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    One of my favorite combat encounters is the minecart madness cliche, where a group of 2+ enemies are getting away on a minecart that can be accelerated by pushing a lever on it back and forth. The cart moves at a speed reliant on the character(s) whose pushing the lever, at a factor of 10x their strength modifier. The lever takes an action to pump/accelerate and the cart can fall off the rails at some sections if moving too fast (but give your players ample warning with a visibly broken guardrail in front of a sharp turn.) This new dynamic of action economy / movement through atypical means is always guaranteed to stick in your party's collective thoughts.

  • @Koshak87
    @Koshak87 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was very timely and useful. Thank you. Subbed.

  • @restoredtuna8264
    @restoredtuna8264 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Another kind of puzzle fight is a stealth mission. Like the rogue and Druid infiltrating an enemy stronghold for an item or piece of information. This puzzle is completed best if initiative is never rolled, but second best if no widespread alarm is ever raised. Although technically it might only cost more resources and time to make it a fight, if the players want to do it this way it gives them easily one of their campaign highlights.

  • @jmckay2998
    @jmckay2998 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love the video! Looks super professional and you have a very dramatic presentation style. I’ll be subscribing!

  • @stevepayne4446
    @stevepayne4446 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Amazing video - fantastic work!

  • @rulesasunintended8964
    @rulesasunintended8964 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    my first video i ever see. from this guy, what an absolute banger of an opening. subscribed

  • @PaladinProse
    @PaladinProse หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Damn, way to come out of the gate swinging, man! This is great stuff. Welcome to the dungeontube community. Excited to see this channel grow.

  • @0kieD0kiee
    @0kieD0kiee หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Subscribed! This was concise, entertaining and informative. Really loved it! And excited to start implementing more of these sorts of varied combats in my games.
    I ran a combat just recently that was a combo of boss fight, puzzle fight, and horde. The players had to figure out how to dismantle an antimagic field (they couldn’t use spells until it was disabled) in order to destroy a massive creature that had been plaguing a village, all while her hordes of mind controlled zombies were after the players as well. The boss couldn’t be killed until the antimagic field went down, but she also became more powerful once they figured out how to dismantle it! Two PC’s died and were brought back during the fight, one player made a pact with a great spirit and became a warlock mid combat, it was a wild ride.

    • @Mystic-Arts-DM
      @Mystic-Arts-DM  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes! Mixing is so fun!

  • @sub-jec-tiv
    @sub-jec-tiv หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the super helpful conceptual suggestions. There are lots of ways to learn concrete skills. Not so many places to learn how to think about structure.
    Killing it folks! Congrats to you & the lady 👏 y’all are doing great.

  • @birdbrain4927
    @birdbrain4927 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    thank you for this, it's a great way to restructure how i think about combat

  • @rickyetter
    @rickyetter หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    “If the party thinks they’re safe, show them they’re not” you think like me. That sentence alone got my like

  • @Zacharadus
    @Zacharadus หลายเดือนก่อน

    All of my One-Shot sessions have Puzzle, Actually fights, they are some of the most fun, enjoyable, and rewarding fights in my opinion, especially when served alongside a boss fight. Great stuff!

  • @GMJosh-sw9hp
    @GMJosh-sw9hp หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Awesome vid! Loved it! Fantastic way to break it down. Thank you!

  • @edwarduribe2910
    @edwarduribe2910 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great job. I'll use the last one in my next encounter.

  • @ZarchAlDain
    @ZarchAlDain หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not a novel concept, but you chose your categories well. The video was well presented, and weaving in solid examples really helped.

  • @gunrugger
    @gunrugger 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It always irks me a tiny bit when people say "the main strength of DnD is the combat system", when there are games with far better combat
    PF2e, or Lancer for example. Hell, I've had more fun in combat controlling 4 peasants at level 0 in DCC than I have with a mid level character in 5e.
    IMO, the main strength of 5e is popularity, familiarity, and accessibility. Players don't need to learn the rules to play, and just about anyone can jump in with little time investment.
    This video kind of demonstrates my point actually. What you have here is someone inventing a scaffolding to turn 5e's boring combat into something more fun. This is a classic draw the rest of the owl 5e moment.
    In 5e, a good DM is everything, because they are in charge of developing the half of the game that doesn't exist.

  • @smokeroftheboof
    @smokeroftheboof หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dope video! Looking forward to the channel's future!

  • @tomparidge9286
    @tomparidge9286 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    9:24 on the bit of "If you know your way around the monster manual, you can mix things together"
    My current dm twists the MM in his favor to make things better for us. We'd encounter something that, in all honesty, a lvl 5 party of 6 wouldn't have a chance against. But he takes that monster and splits it in half. Same damage, same health, but now there's 2 of them.
    I think it's a great way of catering your battles to your players' current levels and keeping them from feeling like there's no hope in this campaign.
    Unless that's what you want your players to feel, then go for it. Double, triple the health of the enemies.

  • @LukeStrife
    @LukeStrife หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm happy when I find videos like this. Running TTRPG fights in an interesting manner is something I always want to do, but usually accidentally end up making a slog. I'd started to convince myself that perhaps I'd fallen out of love of running the game. Thank you for helping revitalise my imagination just a little bit.

  • @Davidprinhirst
    @Davidprinhirst 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a fantastic video! My strength as a dm is how i play in combat, but not how to prepare the story. I think using combat as story elements will make me a much stronger!

  • @ryanjohnson7245
    @ryanjohnson7245 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. Love this material. 1000 arms!

  • @20storiesunder
    @20storiesunder หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great stuff - combat can be so much more than just numbers hitting each other.

    • @Mystic-Arts-DM
      @Mystic-Arts-DM  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly! Combat isn't separate from story, it's the conflict in the story!

    • @20storiesunder
      @20storiesunder หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Mystic-Arts-DM Your video has inspired me to further prep the next sessions combat.
      My players will likely attempt to help a clan cross a swamp and I am planning to have a puzzle enemy, something that swoops in, grabs a few folks and vanishes in the darkness. They can leave the caravan to pursue it (leaving the caravan unguarded), decide to speed up as much as possible, etc.
      Taking inspiration from the videogame banner saga they will have a specific count of survivors, each decision making it go down by a certain amount.

    • @Mystic-Arts-DM
      @Mystic-Arts-DM  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes! Banner Saga is so cool!

  • @Taxicat42
    @Taxicat42 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for videos your doing. I've become comfortable with many aspects of running a game and have begun to integrate new aspects to my game. Your videos are perfect for me.

  • @lukemcatee5527
    @lukemcatee5527 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video. Really made me think about my combat design.

  • @Apastalypse
    @Apastalypse หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Solid video. Helped me a lot.

  • @robertbengel2689
    @robertbengel2689 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for the video. I learn new things about DMing even 10 years into the trade, like yourself

  • @atomatopia1
    @atomatopia1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There can also be social or political “combats” where the players need to fight a larger system that they can’t just kill, sway loyalties, convince DMPCs, etc. And within these conflicts, the other combat types can also exist or overlap in interesting ways

  • @yiwmsh4393
    @yiwmsh4393 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Well made and very useful - thank you!

  • @revanati222
    @revanati222 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We had a min max player, playing a bladesimger in the old 2nd edition.
    Nothing his character did was particularly memorable as far as role playing until the day when he died.
    He challenged the ogre khan to single combat to end the war, and very nearly did it, despite him being 4th level in comparison to the 12 level npc he fought to a standstill.
    The players in the group were sitting on the edge of their seats despite having no involvement in the fight, and when the character died, the group were actually almost in tears. The role playing of the aftermath was amazing, an actual in game funeral, characters who had been irritated by the bladesinger's attitude were given to reflecting on his better traits, and overall, that made the rest of the campaign so good.

  • @christopherturnley2157
    @christopherturnley2157 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video mate! Gets me excited to DM again!
    First video I’ve seen of yours too, happy to sub and binge what you’ve put out 😁

  • @MyWifeistheMC
    @MyWifeistheMC หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    **Furiously takes notes**

  • @jonleeandrade2418
    @jonleeandrade2418 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've often, typically in other RPGs, seen encounters defined by their end goal where the first 7 types you described get condensed down into "reduce enemy HP to 0" and the puzzle actually encounter gets expanded into "get the mcguffin, escape, protect so-and-so." It's cool to see actionable advice on how even the reduce to 0 goal can be turned into distinct experiences. Interested to get your approaches to these more defined puzzle goals.

  • @10SentenceScience
    @10SentenceScience หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Good job man, great content!

  • @hjaltos
    @hjaltos หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The cut to Django made me cackle out loud! These are some excellent combat scenarios!

    • @Mystic-Arts-DM
      @Mystic-Arts-DM  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It was a little reward!

  • @TriMarkC
    @TriMarkC หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Subscribed - Liked your explanations and then examples method.

  • @alexcannon-microdot
    @alexcannon-microdot หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really enjoyed this thank you

  • @dstu8848
    @dstu8848 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think you could also add the social/story battle, which is close to the puzzle battle but the fight becomes context around moving the story forward. In these, there is always another goal or purpose around which some conflict happens and complicates. It could be a chase where an enemy is getting away with the mcguffin and others are trying to delay the party. An easy battle but the party needs to sneak in somewhere and so must choose who and how to kill quickly and quietly. The fight becomes something different as it doesn't really matter about winning, rather the enemies become obstacles to be negotiated, and killing may just be one way of doing that.

  • @TD-yj2tw
    @TD-yj2tw หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This electrum level DM advice. Just subbed. 🤯

  • @TheStarboundLegion
    @TheStarboundLegion หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video! We'll have to share this with our DM.

  • @billybompson16
    @billybompson16 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    great video, but i can think of one we’re missing: the chase.
    this one can work both ways. the players could be upon a wagon being chased by a horde of goblins riding worgs, far too many for them to deal with in a fight. or maybe the players are chasing down an elusive thief who tries to lose them in the city market.

  • @MalloonTarka
    @MalloonTarka หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very informative!
    As to the categories, well, we humans sure love putting things in boxes, I think these aren't mutually exclusive types, but rather labels that we can put on certain fights, some of which can co-oexist with other labels. Especially the Elite Team can /also/ be and Ambush, a Targeted Strike, a Stomping Ground (post enough character levelling, of course), a Boss Battle, or a Puzzle, Actually. A Horde of Bad Guys can be an Ambush or a Targeted Strike. Etc.

  • @kossowankenobi
    @kossowankenobi 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is pretty great, thanks for sharing your insights.

  • @tyrannostradamus2785
    @tyrannostradamus2785 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There's also a difference between a Boss Battle as you propose it, and the Mid-Boss Battle, which doesn't end the campaign but might end an arc of a campaign or setup the climax for that arc.
    I also like to mix and match aspects of different types of combat in the same initiative.

  • @OutlawMaxV
    @OutlawMaxV หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Well this was inspiring, definitely gonna apply some of these bits to my table!

  • @fireroastedfire
    @fireroastedfire หลายเดือนก่อน

    As good of info as this is, there are SO many more types of combat / encounters than just these 8. Things like the Tough Choice (two mutually exclusive potential world-atering choice fights), the Total War fight (PCs involved in a war-like battle), the Timed Fight (bad things happen in X turns), the Ramping Encounter (gets harder and hard the longer you stay / survive), the While You Were Gone encounter, and SO much more.

  • @camdenthompson4307
    @camdenthompson4307 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    been thinking about making it so most of the normal Monsters (stuff like Dragons, Owlbears, or a few of the monsters I'd added in my games) are a bit of a mix between a targeted strike & Puzzle, same with some of the bosses, albeit with the bosses its more just trying to find information about them. The idea is to try and make it so the party learns things about the monster, whether by hearing about it or even just observing it, and then they do whatever they can to kill it while the monster then tries to counter in any way it can, and goes back & forth (ex. someone jumps into a red dragons horde, and uses the threat of the dragon damaging its own horde to prevent it from using it breath weapon, only for it to attempt to throw the players out and away from the horde so it can use its breath weapon safely).