All Changes to Wizard in Pathfinder 2e's Remaster
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2023
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I’m pretty sure what Ronald was saying is that the free 1st-level spell slot for some of these schools will largely be dead at higher levels, not that you can’t heighten the spells that are there.
That may have been my misinterpretation but then makes it important to mention for other people who similarly misunderstood
@theebadluckgamer I think Ronald meant that some of these lower level slots become useless later on, such as a damage spell for level 1, but the slot becomes "dead" since that spell is the ONLY one that qualifies for that slot. I wouldn't mind a secondary spell to replace it later on as a result, because I know at level 9, I wouldn't be using a, for example, Rank 1 Burning Hands.
You talk about Ronald misunderstanding the spell slots. He isn't saying it is bad because you couldn't heighten them to higher slots, but because lower level slots become dead slots later on because you can only put a few spells in your 1st level slot and many don't scale well at that level. In the pre-remaster, you can swap those spells out for full support options later on that can still be useful even at high levels. That isn't the case anymore under RAW.
Bespell Strikes is ever so slightly different from Bespell Weapon, in that you can now add the extra damage to an unarmed attack, where Bespell Weapon required a wielded weapon
Charming Push has one significant mechanical difference from Charming Words: it doesn't have the linguistic trait anymore, so no words! Much easier to apply.
Re. Focus Pool: The Wizard has Bonded Focus at 14th level, which I believe still exists in the remaster but with the new rules as opposed to needing that and Superior Bond at 18th =]
They get it later than some other classes, but still get to improve their Refocus rate
I would guess that Phantasmal Minion is Unseen Servant?
The cool thing about Second Chance Spell / Second Chance Spell is that it allows a couple of neat things:
1) (Unchanged) You can recast spells you got from archetypes, such as Synesthesia, which are devestating single-target spells (honestly, we ended up pre-emptively nerfing that spell in our game, and it's better for it)
2) You get to retry a failed attempt to wreck a single enemy, which is cool and all, but at the level you might want to pick this up, all the best single-target Arcane enchantment spells already upcast to a bunch of targets (Mass Confusion, Mass Paralyze, Mass Roaring Applause, and Mass Fear being obvious examples). Now you can do illusion spells like Phantasmal Killer, Unspeakable Shadow, or even Mirror Malefactors if you're into that sort of thing.
Like, I think the amount of worthwhile spells to use it on skyrocketed from before. I mean, Dominate and Warp Mind are cool, but they're not as impressive as Unspeakable Shadow in my opinion.
Thank you for this video - I definitely understood Ronald the Rules Lawyer's comments about the spell schools very differently from you, but enough has been said about that, I think 👍
Acidic burst and Detonation array can be comboed to make its damage suck less
I like the fact that the Universalist doesn't need to take a class feat to get his focus spell "hand of the apprentice".
Playing a Mafia Daughter Evocation Wizard currently, and I'm happy that the blanket simple weapon prof lets me use the simple guns now 😎Still gonna flavour my staff and any wands I get as guns, but it's nice to have straight up gun options too.
The name changes of spells were to remove themselves of anything specifically SRD, because they didn't want to risk any chance of a lawsuit about ORC in 10 years.
Earthworks is actually largely a renamed Warped Terrain (Illusion school focus spell). The only difference is there’s no check to disbelieve Earthworks, but they can automatically clear a square as an action. Still, I think it’s a great way to reflavor an existing focus spell for a new (and very different) school!
Are there no changes to Arcane Thesis?
Also for the name changes, most of them are to get rid of OGL names so that PF2e Remaster can rely fully on the ORC license and completely separate itself from the OGL.
Thanks for the very informative video! This has got me very excited to play a wizard in the Remaster.
Nope most of the are 100% with just a bit of rewording
Your remaster breakdowns are some of my favorite pathfinder vids. Great job!!
I just read through the spell description for Synesthesia, which I had assumed was an enchantment spell, but it's actually Divination (with the Mental trait). If you play an 18th-level Wizard with an Occult spellcasting archetype, keep that in mind, I guess.
14th level bonded focus increases your focus pool, and lets you completely refill it.
Scramble Body is just Call of the Grave, but with Fort save instead of spell attack. Maybe that's why it's save of suck. If you missed Call of the Grave nothing happened either.
My first character I got to play in PF2 was a necromancer wizard so I’m very sad to see call of the grave gone
Unless you're playing PFS/official organized play, there's nothing stopping your table from continuing to use older materials right alongside the new stuff. For example, the Dual Class and Ancestry Paragon rules were not reprinted in the GM Core, but they still work just fine with the updated classes and ancestries. The same is true for most spells, with obvious exceptions like Detect Alignment. The only issues you should have are from wording changes.
for my friend group I am the forever GM so I really only do get to play pfs haha
Yeah, I was hoping in this remaster I'd see some more support for necromancer style play but the boundary school doesn't really do that, and no more call of the grave is sad
Thanks for the video! It makes me wonder if most newer characters would just choose the Battle school. To me, Ars Grammatica or the Boundary sound the most fun just overall, even if they might not be as powerful as a pure combat caster, though I'm not as familiar with the P2eR system to know if that is really the case.
Some lesbian is justifiably considering herself the funniest person ever for the name "Charming Bush".
Since the spells are now much more subtle, can anyone tell me how the spell silence still works to counter other casters?
You still need to be able to incantate so silence does still work on casters
to cast any spell you need to gesture and speak incantations, so silence and handcuffs still work, but the subtle trait removes both requirements, so i think you can use it to cast while in a silence effect? Makes my interested to see the errata for psychic's thought components
Interdisciplinary incantation: Does it require the wizard to use actions on their turn, or is expending the spell slot enough?
I suppose "Cast the triggering spell" require the normal things, like using hands, speech and actions as usual. :-|
You must cast the spell using actions as normal
Yeah. For Interdisciplinary, you spend a Reaction and Focus Point to "steal" the ARCANE spell to get access to using the same spell of the same rank.
I love the flavor, unsure about the restrictions. It feels pretty costly imo
On spells that use focus points, didn't they buff them that you can now generate focus points back as long you meditate max 30 min? So you can spam them much more often on lower levels making all focus spells and tricks much stronger? DM Experience is 2 sessions of beginners box and player experience 0 😂
Yes, that's how it works now. It matters a lot for classes that have a focus spell they can spam, it doesnt matter at all for classes with utility or circumstantial spells
would it be possible to chapter your videos when it comes to the remaster stuff? it would be super helpful thanks!
I'm a bit disappointed with the remaster. I never got to play 1E due to covid and my group being far away.
I feel like they should have just changed the name of the schools instead of trying to come up with a new mechanical restriction.
This is for the algorithm.
Interdisciplinary Incantation sounded super cool for a counter magic based mage...until you read the last line that says once per 24h... pathfinder always adds a line that makes your excitement go instantly away.
I mean to be fair, it's just 24 hours for that caster. You can use it on other casters you encounter in the same day.
you still get to do it once on basically everyone you meet, like Demoralize
I feel like Second Thought lvl 18 feat would encourage players to try spells that otherwise have the incapacitation trait on an enemy that obviously out-levels them if they have henchmen. Try Uncontrollable Dance on the boss. Fail? No problem, what about the lieutenant....
I think Phantasmal Minion is a renamed Illusory Monster
Edit: Oops, looks like Illusory Monster still exists. But the name evokes a similar idea so I’m curious about what it really does
It's Unseen Servant
@@benalias9118 Ahhh that makes sense
this is probably the most im most curious about
Did they touch the Arcane Theses at all or were those mostly left alone?
Pretty much all the same
Please can you tell me if the prepared rules on Counterspelling have changed? ... As RAW is killing the main theme of a Wizard being a master of magic ✨.. if there's no change in RAW then I would houserule that a spell can be counterspelled if it is KNOWN opposed to being PREPARED. Damion.
Sadly no change to counterspell
@@theebadluckgamer If that is the case then I feel a universally accepted houserule must be made. If the Sorcerer can Counterspell any known in their repertoire, then a wizard should be able to counterspell via spells known.
This could also be tied to a recall knowledge check if needed. Whereas a successful arcane skill recall knowledge before the counterspelling can act as known spells before the counter spell reaction takes place.
In addition to this, the advanced universal focus spell steps one short of this.. if the universal Wizard can recognize the "threads and patterns" of a spell inorder to copy the spell.. then the same must be said for counterspelling the spell.
are there no changes to the arcane thesis ?
No
Why are people considering the wizard cariculums and schools of magic mutually exclusive?
I agree. The easiest thing for any GM to do is to just copy the old spell schools and call them curricula.
OGL is the reason why. Paizo didn't want the risk of Hasbro bringing them to court over Pathfinder.
@@ianstewart-vitalI don't buy that for things that arn't trademarked by WotC.
And if that is the real reason, why does everyone pretend that they are doing it to improve the game?
@agsilverradio2225 it's to also make sure they aren't as similar as D&D. Before, the schools of magic made it super clear that it's the same as D&D. By changing it, they now make it more distinct.
As for why people are "pretending it's to make the game better", many people just like the change for lore, mechanical flexibility, and potential design space for future spells. I'm super neutral on it myself, but I digress
@@ianstewart-vital Hasbro can't protect spell schools. It's a concept. Hasbro can bring Paizo to court no matter what they change.
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Dumbledeadlifts said calmly
Any changes, aside from the spells, to Sorcerer?
Sorcerer will be coming in Core 2 which will be next July
I love Elementals and that new "conjuration" school doesn't look very appealing...
No more necromancers, sad.
School of Boundary sound so cool. I'm not usually one for summoning, but I might make an exception for this school.
Is there a divination equivalent school? Playing a diviner wizard currently so hoping it's still valid.
Not 1 for 1 since most of them were hybridized, the closest is ars grammatica
nothing prevents you from using interdisciplinary incantation on allies' spells, once a day per other arcane caster in the party
They managet to make it worse. 4 times in a row
Earthworks is such a terrible spell lol wtf even is that? 😊
The curriculum spell lists seem to be a lot shorter compared to the old magic schools. That would limited the flexibility of the free spellslot you get each level.