As a native Detroiter ( born and raised) that has moved to multiple places, no one makes chili like Detroit Coney Islands. I made the chili twice with your recipe; it was very spot on. Thank you for giving me the taste of home back .
We had a place here in Columbus , Ohio called Phillips Coney Island... Opened in 1910!! Sadly the Covid and the younger generations of ownerships bad choices took Her out!!😢 It was the best... and I've had all the Detroit Mainstays (Lafayette being the best i tried)... way to many Tomato based places!! Its all about the rendered Fat!! My buddies dad knew the owners at Phillips and makes a pretty close one, so we're blessed with that!!
Oh my you’ve done my lonely homesick heart a bit of comfort! I’m excited to shop for all the ingredients even the hotdogs and get started trying to recreate a bit of home❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🏾Thanks Chef John!
This has been the only recipe I have found that really looks and tastes like real coney sauce. All the others are just a loose meat chili. It’s the rue you put together that makes it the real deal.
This might be the only authentic Coney Island sauce recipe video on TH-cam. I’m a Detroiter, and I can’t get enough of them. But I do like Flint style as well. A friend of mine is from Flint and he introduced me to them there. But Detroit style is the best. Great video.
I made this today for my husband who grew up in "Detroit" just like I did. I never tried coney dogs as a kid nor did he but a college friend introduced him to Lafayette Coney Island where they'd make road trips for the coney dogs. He has dragged me there a few times since then. What an experience! I love those landmark restaurants that every city seems to have. The basement bathroom at Lafayette was as memorable as the food! Your recipe got a thumbs up from my husband as he stuffed his face and couldn't talk. Excellent! I also think it's tasty and followed with stuffing my face. Great recipe and I enjoyed the stories too!
Out here in SoCal we have Tommy's chili burgers and dogs. The chili sauce is basically a chili gravy and it's terrific. This looks like it's similar. Going to make it. Thank you. Ingredients: 2lb ground beef 2lb ground beef heart 3 cups flour 1/3 cup McCormick chili powder 2 Tbsp vinegar 2 Tbsp minced dried onion 4 tsp salt 2 tsp sugar 2 tsp paprika 1 tsp garlic powder 4 tsp cumin 1 tsp allspice 1 tsp black pepper 12 cups beef broth approx. Directions: Brown the meat, drain in colander over a bowl, reserve the fat. Going to need 1 cup fat and 2 2/3 cup broth, add oil or lard to get enough fat, add ½ cup of flour to 1cup oil or lard and make a peanut butter colored roux, stir in the 2 2/3 cups of beef stock, to 8 cups broth add 2 ½ cups flour and make a slurry, put the meat, roux and slurry in a pot and add all the spices and the vinegar, heat until thickened . Add water and adjust seasoning if necessary.
Tommy's rules! Since 1946. The original location is still there in Los Angeles on Beverly & Rampart. BAD neighborhood, these days...lol. They only have around 25 locations so just a smaller chain (compared to In-n-Out, also started in So. CAL in the 1940s). Extra chili, extra pickles, extra onions etc no charge, just ask. Their chili is "world famous" & definitely the best you can get out here on the west coast. Known for their burgers but yes, they do have hot dogs & even tamales 🫔. I'll stick with double chili burger & chili fries both with extra chili please. If you get it "to go" the bag is literally orange color by the time you get home. And everyone goes in the middle of the night after rock concerts in Los Angeles since they're open till 3 AM. Just what we do
Hey Kids, hope you all are enjoying the summer! Thanks to the 48,000 viewers on this video! I just wanted to share that after making this for 25 years I just learned something! This weekend we had visitors that brought me White Lily flour to make biscuits for biscuits and gravy. It was awesome! I used it today to make this coney sauce and was shocked at the thickening power it had compared to the regular flour I use. I just added more stock (or water) and seasoning and it's still perfect but wow, if this happens to you that's the fix! John
Hey chef John Just wanted to tell you how much I have learned from your videos and to wish you a happy Birthday I'm looking forward to the one you said will make on loose Coney buggers
Born and raised on east side and in the 60's we had Onassis Coney Island in our neighborhood. We would skip school from Kettering High and hang out all morning on just a bowl of chili and a cup of coffee. Nick the owner would throw us out at around 10:30 or so at which point we would take the bus north to the bowling alley. I'm so thankful I stumbled on your video. I added 2 tsp of my home grown and ground pepper powder. Onassis is what I remember and I loved the subtle heat. Thanks for bringing back some great memories for me via your recipe.
We moved near Detroit a few months ago and haven't made it out to many places due to the "conditions which shall not be named". Gave your recipe a shot and it's amazing! We'll get out to the Coney shops eventually but this was great! Thanks!
Wonderful. Compliments to the chief. Here in Huntsville Alabama where I now live they never heard of Coney Island. They just call them chili dogs, nothing like the excellence of a Lafayette or American. Poor chili with minimal flavor and a skinless mush of a hotdog.I don't think they even carry sausage's with natural casing in the supermarkets.If you asked they'd probably say 'what's that?!' I use to buy packages of Kogel sausage's, ice them down, and bring them back to Alabama with me from Detroit. I only recently fround a market carrying natural casing here. But a good dog still needs that great chili from Detroit, and you have delivered it! I always preferred Lafayette Chili myself and Americans sausage's. Whenever I'm back in Detroit I always get one from Lafayette and then go nextdoor to American for the second one. It's ritual with me! Thank the high heavens that because of your fine recipe I can have them here in Huntsville, and don't have wait for a visit back home!
I’m looking for the winters hotdogs that Chef John describes in his video. I’d love to host a delicious Detroit Coney party here in Kentucky where I’ve resided for 6 years now 🙏🏾
John thanks so much for making and posting the video! Can’t wait to try your recipe, got all the ingredients tracked down here in Tel Aviv even the McCormicks... just have to get the ground beef hearts ❤️❤️
I reside in greater Detroit and while I have yet to try this, it does seem more authentic or like Lafayette Coney Island's sauce. To them that have never been there, you don't know what your missing!
Hi John, I'm a new subscriber. My wife and I are from California but when we got married 11 years ago we flew out to Detroit, actually Lapeer to be married by a dear friend of mine who is a catholic priest there. Before we left we made a stop at both Lafayette and All American, both were delicious, the best I've tasted. Thank you so much for posting this recipe, I'm gonna make this sauce soon so my wife and I can again enjoy the best chili dogs we've ever had and relive great memories. Thank you and God bless
Hi John. Love the recipe, have been searching for an authentic Detroit Coney recipe forever. I also greatly enjoy your videos and am eager for more. I have been laid off from University Hospital where I was just beginning to Sous before the pandemic. I am always looking for great people to learn from and am glad I found you.
i am from detroit, but i was very young when we moved away to wisconsin (or as michiganders say, "westconsin") i worked in chicago for a number of years and ate chicago dogs on the train home very often. i have been trying to find the right coney dog sauce recipe for a long time. the beefheart is kind of the key. i would use suet before lard. but that is just my preference. why mix hog fat with beef ??? also, i would make it spicier than you did. but cumin is one of the keys to any chili. i know, that a coney dog doesn't have beans, but i like beans. a little bit of cinnamon is also good in the coney sauce. only a little bit of cinnamon though.
I found another Detroit style chili sauce on YT a while back that had the beef hearts and the roux, was able to find Koegel dogs out here in Maryland and I was so excited as the chili I made was near perfect, the dogs were authentic...but something was just not right and I was complaining to my Canadian wife about it, of course, she's like "whatever, you spent all day getting the ingredients for the chili, making the chili, drove 15 miles for the dogs and everything and it's still not perfect, WTF?"...I thought, where I went wrong and it came to mind, I didn’t steam the buns!!...I steamed the buns, assembled a coney dog and it was like I was back in Detroit...don't skip steaming your buns!!
A hundred years ago,while repairing some HVAC equipment and watching the process , I saw a giant steam kettle being filled with beef hearts……I have no idea what other process’ or ingredients were involved , but Detroit Coney Island chili is (was) made with beef hearts.Just my $.02. I have consumed approximately 287,000 coneys since that time….so there’s that
My all time favorite hot dog chili was A&W. I worked there and loved it so much . I would put it on my beef sandwich. That was another favorite of mine , the roast beef sandwich. I’d give a lot to have those original recipes. But I’m going to try yours
I remember "Arf & Barf" as the go to as well. LOVE the Mike Zell Story too. I have a buddy with that name and sent the video to him.Do you have the ingredient list posted? Thanks @@ScratchCookwithJohn
Hey John - nice recipe I'm going to try it. I'm from Detroit and was a Cass Corridor artist in the 70's and we were regulars at Lafayette and The International in Greek Town. I remember Dimo and his frothy milk trick with customer's kids. The bathroom was in the basement and I remember the onion guy mincing a mountain of them. Man I miss that place as I live in upstate NY now, but still make Coney's now and then. Other Detroit friends love them. Hmmmm . . . I have venison hearts in the freezer I suppose those will work just fine.
The beef heart is essential!!!! That's what makes it an authentic greek chili dog aka "a coney". Without the beef heart it is just an average chili dog. This looks like a recipe i have to try at home....thanks!
Another recipe that I saw used hot dogs, which was said to be made out of the same beef hearts. They call for mashing up the hot dogs after cooking for awhile. I have no idea at all where to get beef hearts so I think I'm going to try to make it with the hot dogs. I don't actually like hot dogs. I always got the loose hamburgers, but it does seem like hot dogs might be a good substitute for the beef hearts if you can't find them.
I was born and raised in Da D! I've been in Orlando now for 10+ years. This recipe is the closest I've had to authentic Coney since I've been here!!! I've tried a bunch too. Yo, I even messed up the recipe a lil and it was still official!
Hey there! Fantastic! I grew up in Detroit between 6 and 7 near Gratiot on Alcoy street. Moved to Warren at 12 Mile Rd. when I was 12. Grew up with Onasis Coneys, but have had American and National in the last few years traveling back to MI. Never had a Lafayette! Gonna try it next time up. I live in Southern WV now. Beckley. WV has "WV style" hot dogs, which they're really proud of. I tell everyone here how good the "original" Coney is from Detroit, and that it doesn't have any tomato products in it and that there are beef hearts in it. They just don't get it here, but then again, the WV style hot dog is chili, mustard, onions, and cole slaw. Yes.....cole slaw. I've gotten used to them over the years, but it sure ain't a Coney! Great recipe!!!! Don't know how you came up with it, but looks very authentic from what little info. I've ever gotten from some Detroit peeps that say they know. I wonder if you've seen cracker meal used instead of flour? I believe National uses it. Anyway, take care!!!
Thanks John when I moved to Louisiana from Detroit these are an icon I missed them so much I use Nathan's Dogs or Hebrew national down here can't get the Dearborn one at all
Yessir! That does look and sound like the real deal! I'd love to see your take on the Flint if you have one..? Good job sir..many kudos! In regards to the dog itself; You cant go wrong with a Koegel vienna out of central Mi. The best dog I've ever had. I still order them regularly even now since I've moved to the South.
Thanks for making this video, John. Your seasonings are absolutely the real deal. We've been unable to cross the border into Detroit for a while now, so this recipe really brings Lafayette into our homes. Our sons love it. I made one tweak - I was overwhelmed by how rich the roux made the sauce, so I did an old standby that I do with regular chili, I added some refried beans and some chicken broth... to get the texture and consistency. It's great.
I lived in Union Lake until we moved to Goodrich. I live in Pensacola Florida now. My Dad used to take me to Angelo’s in Flint and they were so good!! I miss Coney Island hotdogs! We don’t have them here. Lots of shrimp and crabs though!! Thank you for the recipe!
I'm English but I used to live in Warren MI as my Dad was working at the Tech Centre. There used to be a small diner in the Tech Plaza we always used to go to. As I had a bit of a graphics bent (now an architect) I used to make the owners signs for the breakfast special. I would occasionally get a coney dog but more often than not it would be a cup of chilli with lots of raw onions on top. As we were friendly with the owner, he'd sell us 5 lb blocks of the chilli at cost. That place is probably long gone by now. It was owned by a Greek couple and that got me into Greek food.
Hi John, After 10 years and trying every recipe online as well as thinking Waaaay outta the box as well as trying ingredients never even seen online I have finally cracked the recipe and I'll be opening a Coney Island Restaurant in Far East Asia in May.. If you want to talk about if off of here we can do that...Take care
I’m gonna try making this today but with imposes burger !! From detroit living in Warren. I haven’t had chili in a while due to me going vegetarian a couple of years ago. Would you say this is more hearty/smoky/rich or tangy and kinda sweet like national coney?
Grew up eating Sennate coney on the Ave. old school. The owner Gene Hinaris (spelling) old school. Used to own some horses and we would go watch them race.
This recipe started from a recipe I found after considerable research from an old Detroit area Coney Island. This was their method and while I altered seasoning and a few other details, I stuck with their method. It certainly produces the closest thing to the old downtown coneys that I have found! Best wishes!
I'm from Detroit. Koegel has a traveling truck that comes to my now state of Tenn about once or twice a year and i usually stock up. But i found that Boar's Head natural casing hot dogs are just as good as Koegels. Now i can make my own chilli sauce to !!!!!! I never knew it had beef hearts in the sauce . Thanks for the recipe. Now if i can just find Detroit KATHY'S Cheesecake champagne cheesecake recipe. I tracked her down years ago and she had gotten sick and closed. She was going to give me the recipe, but i think she passed before she got back to me. All her cheesecakes were the best i ever had. Even better than Junior's.
Awesome! I’ll try Boars head. The Detroit coneys have historically used Dearborn or Winters. I usually use Dearborn but just got my hands on some Winters to try. Koegels are right up there too!
Scratch Cook with John I made it John and it was delicious! Taking a bunch to my Michigander coworkers because even cutting it in half I made way too much for two people! Thank you!
I read about coney sauce so decided to look it up on TH-cam. I was expecting mayo, ketchup etc. I certainly wasn’t expecting meat. Let alone chopped heart! 👍🏴🇬🇧
I will do this of the 4th of July lunch, today I will get my hot dogs from the east coast at my butcher, he has them shipped. We do have Tommy's and The Hat local.
Enjoy! Two things to know is you always have to adjust with broth or water to achieve desired consistency and I always unjust seasoning at the end. Salt pepper and cumin if needed. It will tighten up as it sits and reheats, just add water and check seasoning!
Good morning! I keep it simple and buy beef broth or use beef Better than Bouillon and it works just fine. The key is the final seasoning, if it’s missing something start with salt paper and cumin, and then thin to your desired consistency. I make bid batches and freeze. Always on reheat you’ll have to thin with water as the flour continues to thicken it. I had loose hamburger sliders with the sauce and mustard on them yesterday. Awesome! Enjoy!
Bet the Durand meat processing on Read Rd might have the ground beef heart or would grind it for you. Lol, small plug for my mother in laws cousins who own the Shop.
Good morning. When draining the meat there will be fat and liquid. We do this to remove the liquid so we can use the pure fat to make a roux. I only add more fat if the meat hasn’t rendered enough fat for the recipe. The fat is then used to make the roux. Hope this helps! Best wishes
Also forgot to say thanks for the recipe. Lafayette Coney all the way! One of my favorite memories there was at 1am after a concert around there. One of the waiters decided to see how many plates he could bring to a table and had at least 6 goin up each arm!
So I made the vegan version of this and it was amazing. Like you said in the end get creative so I added much more cumin, and a tad bit of the other spices as well. I think I’ll leave out the sugar next time though. What a difference steamed buns make as opposed to buns right out the bag.
I don’t. It’s primarily made by Abbotts Meats in Flint and folks doctor it up in their own way. Haven’t conquered that one yet. Usually when I have the opportunity I order one Detroit and one Flint! Love them both!
Well everyone says this is a really good recipe so I'll save it and try it. It's a pain skipping through the life stories so hopefully it's worth it. Too bad the recipe isn't in the description. 🙄
As a native Detroiter ( born and raised) that has moved to multiple places, no one makes chili like Detroit Coney Islands. I made the chili twice with your recipe; it was very spot on. Thank you for giving me the taste of home back .
You are so welcome! I so appreciate your kind note!
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I gotta try detroit sauce. I grew up in a Flint family who NEVER touched detroit sauce cuz "it's too runny"
Having the same homesick taste for that chili. Gonna try this tonight with the kids here in Okinawa, Japan! 👍🏿
We had a place here in Columbus , Ohio called Phillips Coney Island... Opened in 1910!! Sadly the Covid and the younger generations of ownerships bad choices took Her out!!😢 It was the best... and I've had all the Detroit Mainstays (Lafayette being the best i tried)... way to many Tomato based places!! Its all about the rendered Fat!! My buddies dad knew the owners at Phillips and makes a pretty close one, so we're blessed with that!!
Oh my you’ve done my lonely homesick heart a bit of comfort! I’m excited to shop for all the ingredients even the hotdogs and get started trying to recreate a bit of home❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🏾Thanks Chef John!
Thanks for watching!!
This has been the only recipe I have found that really looks and tastes like real coney sauce. All the others are just a loose meat chili. It’s the rue you put together that makes it the real deal.
I’m a Detroiter, love your stories and your coney sauce.
This might be the only authentic Coney Island sauce recipe video on TH-cam. I’m a Detroiter, and I can’t get enough of them. But I do like Flint style as well. A friend of mine is from Flint and he introduced me to them there. But Detroit style is the best.
Great video.
Hey thanks so much for the note, I was determined years ago to get it right! Taking a batch up north camping with some Detroit friends in a few weeks!
You hit the nail on this one man. I grew up in Southwest Detroit in the neighborhood of Delray and we LOVED our coney dogs. 😋😁
Thank you!
I made your coney sauce today. I'm totally impressed. The flavor and consistency are perfect. Thank you!
So glad you enjoyed it! Time for me to make a batch!
I made this today for my husband who grew up in "Detroit" just like I did. I never tried coney dogs as a kid nor did he but a college friend introduced him to Lafayette Coney Island where they'd make road trips for the coney dogs. He has dragged me there a few times since then. What an experience! I love those landmark restaurants that every city seems to have. The basement bathroom at Lafayette was as memorable as the food! Your recipe got a thumbs up from my husband as he stuffed his face and couldn't talk. Excellent! I also think it's tasty and followed with stuffing my face. Great recipe and I enjoyed the stories too!
Thank you so much!!
Damn thats beautiful and the best recipe I have seen
Thank you!
Out here in SoCal we have Tommy's chili burgers and dogs. The chili sauce is basically a chili gravy and it's terrific. This looks like it's similar. Going to make it. Thank you.
Ingredients:
2lb ground beef
2lb ground beef heart
3 cups flour
1/3 cup McCormick chili powder
2 Tbsp vinegar
2 Tbsp minced dried onion
4 tsp salt
2 tsp sugar
2 tsp paprika
1 tsp garlic powder
4 tsp cumin
1 tsp allspice
1 tsp black pepper
12 cups beef broth approx.
Directions:
Brown the meat, drain in colander over a bowl, reserve the fat.
Going to need 1 cup fat and 2 2/3 cup broth, add oil or lard to get enough fat,
add ½ cup of flour to 1cup oil or lard and make a peanut butter colored roux, stir in the 2 2/3 cups of beef stock,
to 8 cups broth add 2 ½ cups flour and make a slurry, put the meat, roux and slurry in a pot and add all the spices and the vinegar, heat until thickened . Add water and adjust seasoning if necessary.
Thanks, I’ll have try that one too!
Tommy's rules! Since 1946. The original location is still there in Los Angeles on Beverly & Rampart. BAD neighborhood, these days...lol. They only have around 25 locations so just a smaller chain (compared to In-n-Out, also started in So. CAL in the 1940s).
Extra chili, extra pickles, extra onions etc no charge, just ask. Their chili is "world famous" & definitely the best you can get out here on the west coast. Known for their burgers but yes, they do have hot dogs & even tamales 🫔. I'll stick with double chili burger & chili fries both with extra chili please. If you get it "to go" the bag is literally orange color by the time you get home. And everyone goes in the middle of the night after rock concerts in Los Angeles since they're open till 3 AM. Just what we do
@@jc2091 Exactly, 100%
@@jc2091 And you get to enjoy the after party for a week in your car, no denying where you went. The aroma.
I just went last week, delicious as usual, it is my once every 3 months place to eat.
I'm from Detroit and I so miss this. I'll make this very soon! Thanks for sharing.
Hey Kids, hope you all are enjoying the summer! Thanks to the 48,000 viewers on this video! I just wanted to share that after making this for 25 years I just learned something! This weekend we had visitors that brought me White Lily flour to make biscuits for biscuits and gravy. It was awesome! I used it today to make this coney sauce and was shocked at the thickening power it had compared to the regular flour I use. I just added more stock (or water) and seasoning and it's still perfect but wow, if this happens to you that's the fix! John
Was told another trick that Lafayette uses is they grind up yesterday's unsold grilled hotdogs and add them to the sauce.
I’ve heard that too!
Hey chef John Just wanted to tell you how much I have learned from your videos and to wish you a happy Birthday I'm looking forward to the one you said will make on loose Coney buggers
Born and raised on east side and in the 60's we had Onassis Coney Island in our neighborhood. We would skip school from Kettering High and hang out all morning on just a bowl of chili and a cup of coffee. Nick the owner would throw us out at around 10:30 or so at which point we would take the bus north to the bowling alley. I'm so thankful I stumbled on your video. I added 2 tsp of my home grown and ground pepper powder. Onassis is what I remember and I loved the subtle heat. Thanks for bringing back some great memories for me via your recipe.
From Pontiac as well! Love it! ❤️ gonna make this!
We moved near Detroit a few months ago and haven't made it out to many places due to the "conditions which shall not be named". Gave your recipe a shot and it's amazing! We'll get out to the Coney shops eventually but this was great! Thanks!
You know you're hearing someone from Michigan when he's making a recipe and between steps he tells a whole story... God damn it I miss home
Me to bro me to I miss detroit
Good point! We do do that huh?
@@masmelly6384 Detroit is a dump. And im from GR....hahaaaaa
Wonderful. Compliments to the chief. Here in Huntsville Alabama where I now live they never heard of Coney Island. They just call them chili dogs, nothing like the excellence of a Lafayette or American. Poor chili with minimal flavor and a skinless mush of a hotdog.I don't think they even carry sausage's with natural casing in the supermarkets.If you asked they'd probably say 'what's that?!' I use to buy packages of Kogel sausage's, ice them down, and bring them back to Alabama with me from Detroit. I only recently fround a market carrying natural casing here. But a good dog still needs that great chili from Detroit, and you have delivered it! I always preferred Lafayette Chili myself and Americans sausage's. Whenever I'm back in Detroit I always get one from Lafayette and then go nextdoor to American for the second one. It's ritual with me! Thank the high heavens that because of your fine recipe I can have them here in Huntsville, and don't have wait for a visit back home!
Thank you so much for your kind comments!
American Coney Delivers now!
I’m looking for the winters hotdogs that Chef John describes in his video. I’d love to host a delicious Detroit Coney party here in Kentucky where I’ve resided for 6 years now 🙏🏾
John thanks so much for making and posting the video! Can’t wait to try your recipe, got all the ingredients tracked down here in Tel Aviv even the McCormicks... just have to get the ground beef hearts ❤️❤️
Hope it goes well!!!
Thank you, John!
I reside in greater Detroit and while I have yet to try this, it does seem more authentic or like Lafayette Coney Island's sauce. To them that have never been there, you don't know what your missing!
I love chili dogs but lately I’ve used smoked sausage. I like those links fried . Or air fried . Delicious
I’m with you. If ever in DC try a Half Smoke at Ben’s Chili Bowl! Smoked Beef and pork sausage with chili. You’ll love it!
Making this right now. Thanks for sharing. We miss Lula's and can't wait for you to reopen!
Hi John, I'm a new subscriber. My wife and I are from California but when we got married 11 years ago we flew out to Detroit, actually Lapeer to be married by a dear friend of mine who is a catholic priest there. Before we left we made a stop at both Lafayette and All American, both were delicious, the best I've tasted. Thank you so much for posting this recipe, I'm gonna make this sauce soon so my wife and I can again enjoy the best chili dogs we've ever had and relive great memories. Thank you and God bless
Thank you so much for your kind words!
Hi John. Love the recipe, have been searching for an authentic Detroit Coney recipe forever. I also greatly enjoy your videos and am eager for more. I have been laid off from University Hospital where I was just beginning to Sous before the pandemic. I am always looking for great people to learn from and am glad I found you.
Thank you so much my friend!
I’ll be doing a pop up in Detroit thanks for a authentic Detroit coney recipe
Hope that went well for you!!!
Thanks so much John!!!!
Thank you!
i am from detroit, but i was very young when we moved away to wisconsin (or as michiganders say, "westconsin") i worked in chicago for a number of years and ate chicago dogs on the train home very often. i have been trying to find the right coney dog sauce recipe for a long time. the beefheart is kind of the key. i would use suet before lard. but that is just my preference. why mix hog fat with beef ??? also, i would make it spicier than you did. but cumin is one of the keys to any chili. i know, that a coney dog doesn't have beans, but i like beans. a little bit of cinnamon is also good in the coney sauce. only a little bit of cinnamon though.
great recipe, great stories, great video, from Detroit.
This guy is good. Thanks.
Thank you!!
This is the one right here 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you!!!!!
I'm making these this weekend for company. I was raised in the Thumb. I loved your sister story
Thank you, yes 12 cups for 4 lbs of meat. Best wishes!!!
I'm glad I found this tonight. I'm from Detroit 1960's......
Enjoy!
I found another Detroit style chili sauce on YT a while back that had the beef hearts and the roux, was able to find Koegel dogs out here in Maryland and I was so excited as the chili I made was near perfect, the dogs were authentic...but something was just not right and I was complaining to my Canadian wife about it, of course, she's like "whatever, you spent all day getting the ingredients for the chili, making the chili, drove 15 miles for the dogs and everything and it's still not perfect, WTF?"...I thought, where I went wrong and it came to mind, I didn’t steam the buns!!...I steamed the buns, assembled a coney dog and it was like I was back in Detroit...don't skip steaming your buns!!
Never!
What was the other recipe link
A hundred years ago,while repairing some HVAC equipment and watching the process , I saw a giant steam kettle being filled with beef hearts……I have no idea what other process’ or ingredients were involved , but Detroit Coney Island chili is (was) made with beef hearts.Just my $.02. I have consumed approximately 287,000 coneys since that time….so there’s that
Beef heart is key, in both Detroit and Flint style! I have 4 hearts in the freezer and pulling out one for Father’s Day!
That is an awesome looking sauce!
Thank you!!!
That you for sharing 🙏
John, amazing story.
My all time favorite hot dog chili was A&W. I worked there and loved it so much . I would put it on my beef sandwich. That was another favorite of mine , the roast beef sandwich. I’d give a lot to have those original recipes. But I’m going to try yours
When i was a kid it was "dog and suds". Both are more "chili sauce" than my Detroit Coney sauce. I'd try more tomato sauce for starters!
I remember "Arf & Barf" as the go to as well. LOVE the Mike Zell Story too. I have a buddy with that name and sent the video to him.Do you have the ingredient list posted? Thanks @@ScratchCookwithJohn
Hey John - nice recipe I'm going to try it. I'm from Detroit and was a Cass Corridor artist in the 70's and we were regulars at Lafayette and The International in Greek Town. I remember Dimo and his frothy milk trick with customer's kids. The bathroom was in the basement and I remember the onion guy mincing a mountain of them. Man I miss that place as I live in upstate NY now, but still make Coney's now and then. Other Detroit friends love them. Hmmmm . . . I have venison hearts in the freezer I suppose those will work just fine.
Awesome, let me know how it goes!
Thanks Chef! Hurley RN here!
Keep safe ! Thank You!
Joe's produce in Livonia sells winter's hot dogs don't know if it's going to be the exact one but they are good. But my favorites are Kogels
I love old time drive in in Saginaw and the old Michigan A&W sauce
AWESOME
The beef heart is essential!!!! That's what makes it an authentic greek chili dog aka "a coney". Without the beef heart it is just an average chili dog.
This looks like a recipe i have to try at home....thanks!
Another recipe that I saw used hot dogs, which was said to be made out of the same beef hearts. They call for mashing up the hot dogs after cooking for awhile. I have no idea at all where to get beef hearts so I think I'm going to try to make it with the hot dogs. I don't actually like hot dogs. I always got the loose hamburgers, but it does seem like hot dogs might be a good substitute for the beef hearts if you can't find them.
I was born and raised in Da D! I've been in Orlando now for 10+ years. This recipe is the closest I've had to authentic Coney since I've been here!!! I've tried a bunch too. Yo, I even messed up the recipe a lil and it was still official!
Hey there! Fantastic! I grew up in Detroit between 6 and 7 near Gratiot on Alcoy street. Moved to Warren at 12 Mile Rd. when I was 12. Grew up with Onasis Coneys, but have had American and National in the last few years traveling back to MI. Never had a Lafayette! Gonna try it next time up. I live in Southern WV now. Beckley. WV has "WV style" hot dogs, which they're really proud of. I tell everyone here how good the "original" Coney is from Detroit, and that it doesn't have any tomato products in it and that there are beef hearts in it. They just don't get it here, but then again, the WV style hot dog is chili, mustard, onions, and cole slaw. Yes.....cole slaw. I've gotten used to them over the years, but it sure ain't a Coney! Great recipe!!!! Don't know how you came up with it, but looks very authentic from what little info. I've ever gotten from some Detroit peeps that say they know. I wonder if you've seen cracker meal used instead of flour? I believe National uses it. Anyway, take care!!!
Thank you! Enjoy!!!
Thanks John when I moved to Louisiana from Detroit these are an icon I missed them so much I use Nathan's Dogs or Hebrew national down here can't get the Dearborn one at all
Yessir! That does look and sound like the real deal! I'd love to see your take on the Flint if you have one..? Good job sir..many kudos! In regards to the dog itself; You cant go wrong with a Koegel vienna out of central Mi. The best dog I've ever had. I still order them regularly even now since I've moved to the South.
Thank you my friend!
Thanks for making this video, John. Your seasonings are absolutely the real deal. We've been unable to cross the border into Detroit for a while now, so this recipe really brings Lafayette into our homes. Our sons love it. I made one tweak - I was overwhelmed by how rich the roux made the sauce, so I did an old standby that I do with regular chili, I added some refried beans and some chicken broth... to get the texture and consistency. It's great.
So glad you enjoy!!
I lived in Union Lake until we moved to Goodrich. I live in Pensacola Florida now. My Dad used to take me to Angelo’s in Flint and they were so good!! I miss Coney Island hotdogs! We don’t have them here. Lots of shrimp and crabs though!! Thank you for the recipe!
Thank you! I grew up around Union lake. Enjoy!!
I'm English but I used to live in Warren MI as my Dad was working at the Tech Centre. There used to be a small diner in the Tech Plaza we always used to go to. As I had a bit of a graphics bent (now an architect) I used to make the owners signs for the breakfast special.
I would occasionally get a coney dog but more often than not it would be a cup of chilli with lots of raw onions on top. As we were friendly with the owner, he'd sell us 5 lb blocks of the chilli at cost.
That place is probably long gone by now. It was owned by a Greek couple and that got me into Greek food.
Nice to hear from you!
Hi John, After 10 years and trying every recipe online as well as thinking Waaaay outta the box as well as trying ingredients never even seen online I have finally cracked the recipe and I'll be opening a Coney Island Restaurant in Far East Asia in May.. If you want to talk about if off of here we can do that...Take care
Hey best wishes on your venture!
@@ScratchCookwithJohn Thanks...
I’m gonna try making this today but with imposes burger !! From detroit living in Warren. I haven’t had chili in a while due to me going vegetarian a couple of years ago. Would you say this is more hearty/smoky/rich or tangy and kinda sweet like national coney?
Hi! I’d go with hearty savory, not sweet! Let me know how it works with impossible!
Grew up eating Sennate coney on the Ave. old school. The owner Gene Hinaris (spelling) old school. Used to own some horses and we would go watch them race.
made it very close thanks
John can you tell me why you use both the roux as well as flour and beef stock to thicken the sauce why not use just the roux Thanks
This recipe started from a recipe I found after considerable research from an old Detroit area Coney Island. This was their method and while I altered seasoning and a few other details, I stuck with their method. It certainly produces the closest thing to the old downtown coneys that I have found! Best wishes!
Can’t wait to cook up the taste of home.
Hope you love it! Add water or stock at the end if needed and on reheat to desired consistency, as it sits the flour will tighten it up!
Be honest..How many thought this was Scorsese giving a tutorial on making hot dog sauce?
Top 5 comment ever!
I'm from Detroit. Koegel has a traveling truck that comes to my now state of Tenn about once or twice a year and i usually stock up. But i found that Boar's Head natural casing hot dogs are just as good as Koegels. Now i can make my own chilli sauce to !!!!!! I never knew it had beef hearts in the sauce . Thanks for the recipe.
Now if i can just find Detroit KATHY'S Cheesecake champagne cheesecake recipe. I tracked her down years ago and she had gotten sick and closed. She was going to give me the recipe, but i think she passed before she got back to me. All her cheesecakes were the best i ever had. Even better than Junior's.
Awesome! I’ll try Boars head. The Detroit coneys have historically used Dearborn or Winters. I usually use Dearborn but just got my hands on some Winters to try. Koegels are right up there too!
Yes now this is the real recipe, u r supposed to have the ground Heart meat. Great job!
Lafayette was always my choice of the two next-door neighbors in Detroit. I only had a Flint coney once, at an A&W up there, and loved it, too.
Thank for watching, I loved be them both!
So glad you posted this. Almost every recipe I find either calls for tomato paste or is just way off on the flavor. I’ll be trying this very soon.
Thank you, that was the same problem I had years ago!
Scratch Cook with John I made it John and it was delicious! Taking a bunch to my Michigander coworkers because even cutting it in half I made way too much for two people! Thank you!
@@Ender8419 Awesome!!
I read about coney sauce so decided to look it up on TH-cam. I was expecting mayo, ketchup etc. I certainly wasn’t expecting meat. Let alone chopped heart! 👍🏴🇬🇧
Thank you!
great stories from Detroit. Coney Island, Detroit style pizzas from Club 500, White Castle, Xochimilco, and Zingerman's. Ahhhh
This is the closest recipe I've seen thanks
I will do this of the 4th of July lunch, today I will get my hot dogs from the east coast at my butcher, he has them shipped. We do have Tommy's and The Hat local.
Enjoy! Two things to know is you always have to adjust with broth or water to achieve desired consistency and I always unjust seasoning at the end. Salt pepper and cumin if needed. It will tighten up as it sits and reheats, just add water and check seasoning!
@@ScratchCookwithJohn thanks for the pro tips, the fun is in the learning.
How do you make the beef broth?? Or do you just buy it? I'm a Michigander in Alabama and I'm dying for Detroit chili fries!! HELP PLEASE LOL
Good morning! I keep it simple and buy beef broth or use beef Better than Bouillon and it works just fine. The key is the final seasoning, if it’s missing something start with salt paper and cumin, and then thin to your desired consistency. I make bid batches and freeze. Always on reheat you’ll have to thin with water as the flour continues to thicken it. I had loose hamburger sliders with the sauce and mustard on them yesterday. Awesome! Enjoy!
Is this the same chili coney use on the chili cheese fries?
If you are in a Detroit Coney Island this should be similar!
Did you say 12 cups total of beef broth??
Where did you find ground beef heart? Also, try Koegel hotdogs from Flint!
Love Koegels..my normal go to, but not for an authentic Detroit Coney recipe. Have a great weekend!
Hey Rick, I always get my beef heart from a meat processing plant. Bellingers would be a good place to try!
Bet the Durand meat processing on Read Rd might have the ground beef heart or would grind it for you. Lol, small plug for my mother in laws cousins who own the Shop.
Merindorf Meats in Mason and Williamston have beef hearts. :)
Looks great. Gonna try this soon. ExMichigander who can only access Chicago dogs.
Just made some for camping, key is thinning to desired consistency at serving, and last minute seasoning adjustment! Enjoy!
Amazing work. You will make A difference!! Sending my Support :d
Thank you!
You said 12 cups, I believe you only used 10 so wha did you do wit the other 2?
Extra for additional thinning if needed! Best wishes, hope you enjoy!
Why do you drain the fat off the meat in collander only to have to add more fat later??
Good morning. When draining the meat there will be fat and liquid. We do this to remove the liquid so we can use the pure fat to make a roux. I only add more fat if the meat hasn’t rendered enough fat for the recipe. The fat is then used to make the roux. Hope this helps! Best wishes
I need to know if Mike and Mike fought Detroit style!
Also forgot to say thanks for the recipe. Lafayette Coney all the way! One of my favorite memories there was at 1am after a concert around there. One of the waiters decided to see how many plates he could bring to a table and had at least 6 goin up each arm!
haha they did fine after the shock
@@mallen324 Thanks for watching!
I tried to make this with 1 lb of ground beef but I didn’t succeed. Can someone help with the recipe if scaled to a total of 1 lb beef? Thank you!!!!
@@joligarcon5970 Thanks Joli! I'll be trying this one for my next batch.
Silver Fox 🦊 😳 & I really do mean that respectfully.
I’m going to try to make a vegan version of this. Thanks for the recipe. I’m going to swap a few things. Wish me luck.
Wishing u luck! Crumbles etc👍🏾
Oh lord I wish i could jump through screen and take a bite..Chili dogs are my weakness
Mine too, last night I did coney pizza!
So I made the vegan version of this and it was amazing. Like you said in the end get creative so I added much more cumin, and a tad bit of the other spices as well. I think I’ll leave out the sugar next time though. What a difference steamed buns make as opposed to buns right out the bag.
Looks like the KFC Kernel Sanders
Am I hearing this correctly the recipe requires 4 pounds of meat?
Yes that’s correct, it’s a pretty big batch!
The recipe looks good, thank you for that and I hope now that it's almost 4th of July 2023, that maybe you dropped the mask but to each his own!🇺🇸
Thank you!! That was made right smack dab during Covid. Masks are gone thank God!
where in the hell does one get ground beef heart? or as it's said in Detroit, "where do you get ground beef heart AT?"
Most butchers can get beef heart and would be happy to grind it for you! Best wishes!
dulys coney
No blooming of the seasoning?
Can someone tell me the recipe?
Hello Jade, after the video the written recipe follows. Enjoy!!!
Is there a loose hamburger Detroit style with Chef John Beilfuss! The real deal! PLEASE
One of my faves, will do!
@@ScratchCookwithJohn thank you sir
@@ScratchCookwithJohn can you e mail me the recipe for loose burger glenbrown52555@hotmail.com
Let’s talk Flint still to
Flint sauce is better than Detroit so do you have that recipe?
I don’t. It’s primarily made by Abbotts Meats in Flint and folks doctor it up in their own way. Haven’t conquered that one yet. Usually when I have the opportunity I order one Detroit and one Flint! Love them both!
Well everyone says this is a really good recipe so I'll save it and try it. It's a pain skipping through the life stories so hopefully it's worth it. Too bad the recipe isn't in the description. 🙄
I appreciate your positive input. Hope you enjoy the recipe!
Jackson is the original. Detroit's aren't bad but the real deal is about 45 minutes to the west.
I’ve been meaning to head over there to check them out. Will do soon!
I believe the A&W coney dog is not as good as yours 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank you, I agree!!!
Born and raised in Owosso. Never heard of Lula's
From 2013 to 2021 located at the city center, #1 restaurant in Owosso on every rating site the entire length of its existence! Sorry you missed it!
We sure do miss LULA’s
What about Kalamazoo Style
Never been there, on my bucket list!! Only an hour from my home!
@@ScratchCookwithJohn Where are you living
@@marylist1236 Owosso Michigan!
@@ScratchCookwithJohn My Mom was from Westphalia
You are missing turmeric. I use Bob Allison’s recipe.
Enjoy!
This must be American coney next to Lafeyette coney , this is not Lafeyette sauce 100%, as i have there recipe
It’s actually my recipe, not either of theirs but similar! I always thought American’s was more chili sauce like, but good! Best wishes