Jingliu VS Dan Heng Imbibitor Lunae DPS Faceoff!
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Jingliu vs Dan Heng Imbibitor Lunae the two S+ ranked damage dealers in Honkai Star Rail. Honestly it's to close to call so who do you think wins?
HUGE shoutout to Artumbo for chatting to me and giving me permission to use this format check out his channel here: / artumbo
I didn't play Genshin but I'm told this style of video started with I Win To Lose Gaming so huge shout out to him aswell! / iwintolose
0:00 Intro
0:50 The Rules
1:45 Imbibitor Lunae's Team & Gear
2:51 Jingliu's Team & Gear
4:22 Side 1 Imbibitor Lunae
6:48 Side 1 Jingliu
8:47 Side 2 Imbibitor Lunae
12:05 Side 2 Jingliu
15:50 Closing Thoughts - เกม
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It's very impressive how IL and JL can use brute force against the enemies and can easily kill any enemy ignoring their resistances, both are really strong characters.
Best team for him?
@@DallasUzumakiIL, Tingyun, any healer, and silver wolf?
@reap4964 what If no sw?
@@DallasUzumakiMaybe pella?
What if someone put IL Dan Heng and Jing liu in one team?
the real winner is bronya all along
People somehow ignoring Bronya's contribution.
Something of note is Pela's E4 has Ice RES reduction, which is really helping Jingliu to combat the Ice RES.
Who do you think won this Faceoff?
As some extra info as requested by some on the community post I made about this video I also tested Jingliu with a team of Tingyun, Pela and Luocha as well and was also actually able to get a combined clear of 2 cycles as well! So Jingliu certainly doesn't need bronya to get insane clear times.
HUGE shoutout to Artumbo for chatting to me and giving me permission to use this format check out his channel here: www.youtube.com/@artumbo
I didn't play Genshin but I'm told this style of video started with I Win To Lose Gaming so huge shout out to him aswell! www.youtube.com/@IWinToLose
@GrimroGacha that Artumbo link doesn't work (for me, at least). Need to add @ I believe?
Should be fixed now!
i really do think jingliu could've won this one if her crits landed on the pigs at least once or twice, a close one and a nice face-off!
I honestly think Jingliu won this. The fact that she is matching DHIL on YQ which has frost resistance and the fact you missed like 3 crits on the pigs has me convinced.
Not really in the rules of this video but also that Jingliu is so much more flexible in what teams you can slot her in aswell leads me to believe she's the clear winner, atleast for me.
Don’t have Dan Heng but I think he won
Just wanna share for those who have problems on rotation for Lunae with Yukong Tingyun speed buffs, at 4:40 , you see that Yukong(147 spd) is faster than DH Lunae(140 spd), but after DH Lunae ulted and ended his turn, he is now moving earlier than Yukong. It is because of E1 Tingyun, which you can actually expire it fast because it only last for 1 turn.
So in order to not mess up the rotation of Yukong always moving first than DH with the Yukong Tingyun combo, you should NEVER use DH Lunae's ult DURING his turn. It is because if you use Lunae's ult during his turn, the E1 Tingyun buff will count after his turn ends making him faster than Yukong.
BUT, If you use DH Lunae's ult just maybe after the animation of Yukong's skill/ult, which is NOT Lunae's turn yet, the E1 Tingyun buff will expire after Lunae's turn ends which will not make him faster than Yukong after his turn.
Try both ulting DURING and BEFORE his turn to see the difference and see what I mean.
I have no bronya and this team, E4 Yukong and E6 Tingyun is my only go to team for Lunae and thats what I observed from playing it for a very long time.
Obviously, if you speed tune Yukong or DH while counting the E1 Tingyun buff, ofcourse your rotation will not mess up. That early expire for E1 Tingyun is useful for those who have little difference on speed on their Yukong and Lunae and also not E6 Yukong and want to maintain Yukong to move first than Lunae.
Anyways, thank you very much for this comparison and what a surprise to see how Jingliu obliterates those two Elites on the second stage. I hope I can get Bronya soon with her LC which are both possible for F2P.
bro thanks for the insight, been having problems with the rotation of this team ad well tysm
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Ulting outside his turn means you're wasting Outroar stacks. Just make Yukong a tad bit faster.
@@wkdikskwlwkd bro u don't lose stacks, u still get it on his turn
@@GGONZ25 ? obviously
If you ult on his turn you reach 6 stacks sooner during your EBA, still a dps increase despite minor.
A top-tier DPS showdown! How my blood boils! This is why I'm looking forward to Grimdo's Qingque guide!
I actually am close to maxing out my QQ guide coming soon... surely...
@@GrimroGacha *inhales copium*
Your persistence is actually incredible
Bwos... he's calcing.....
It's either one giant nuke that one shots the boss or she sneezes and drops all of your skillpoints
At 11:00 you waited till after IL's turn ended to use your ultimate. I don't know if it would have made a difference, but I believe if you get it before his turn fully ends, you can keep the 48% bonus crit damage from his skill for your ult.
You’re 100% right it was such a blunder on my part, just lucky I made a similar one on jingliu.
loved the showdown
queenliu looked like she had the edge on these runs even if they had the same cycle count
but dan king still popping off
love that theyre both strong in their own ways
Love ur channel bruh!
i would say that jimgliu had an advantage with bronya 100 action advance it gave jingliu extra turns
Dan hang down to s tier queen on s+
man i respect you for making this fair enough i love both imbibitor and jingliu i love imbibitor animations and style but i love jingliu for using the ice element and being able to increase her crit rate and her single target and aoe is very impressive
Dude this was fun to watch
Also made me appreciate my Jingliu even more
If you activate Jingliu’s ultimate during the state change animation, you get *both* the buff from Bronya skill (+ her sig lc if you have it) and her state enhancement buffs
Yeah, that would have made the clear 1 cycles faster
Interesting, good to know
Really nice touch with the FF13 soundtrack here, I love it.
Music aside, I gotta say I feel like even though jingliu had one more 5* than dan heng in the team, she was facing up an ice resist enemy so I really think these two are on par or jingliu even being slightly better, also she is more versatile in her teams and can pair with blade
next time you could do this with apparent "s+ tier" dps like dan heng/jingliu VS "a tier" dps like jingyuan or qingque?
I think it's possible for them to have similar clear time despite belief they are in different leagues 🤔
If people wanna see more I'm more than happy to oblige!
It's most definitely been proven to be possible. It's just that higher tier characters tend to need much less investment compared to lower tier characters. For example, Jingyuan would require a lot more investment to get to the same level as DHIL but it's certainly doable.
@@zodalter exactly. Just for a perspective here, it takes my Jingyuan to have both E1 and his signature plus a whopping 77/223 crit ratio to also do 2 cycles on 2nd half
I mean it is very doable since i've seen a 0 cycle E0 jingyuan clear on auto
@@zodalter i feel like "needing more investment" is probably a myth and it can be done at e0 similar level relics
after you use bronya e then jl e, after which she transforms. u can buffer both bronya ult and jl ult, as seen at 15:05. u can keep bronya buffs for the ult which makes it hit way harder
Dang. They do so much dmg with just the musketeer set. Does it even natter if we use ice or quantum set on jingliu? Or quantum set on IL? Feels like the difference would be insignificant
I didnt understand something: even with c6, Yukong does not apply the atk buff with her ult, right? Because the way you said in the video, I thought that Yukong's E is used just to extend her ult. But if i use her ult WITHOUT the E, I only get the Crit buffs, right?
To be honest, im surprised with Jingliu's performance on 2nd half, despite fighting enemies with high Ice Res, she still cleared on same cycle as IL. And we all know how much a monster IL is. Reason im surprised is idk Jingliu's performance vs Yanqing as I never tested her when she was E0. I only fought Yanqing with her when she became E6S5. (And yes at that point she 0 cycled yanqing)
Yes your name checks out
Yea she also missed many crits, she wouldve cleared faster
She'd 0-cycle Nanook himself at E6S5, but I take your point.
@@bjornnilsson2941she negs cycle yanqing in the lore too
@@pulsar.Her missing crits during non TS is actually the most realistic run ever tho. Aint no way you gonna keep reseting until you get the crit on a 50 crit rate
It’s difficult to get this person when my account was given ice boy twice. But damn she looks so great in game. Thanks for the vid. Hope you make more of these in the future.
would love to see a dps showdown using herta lightcone
Noted!
Good idea, I suspect Jingliu will win then as Dan Heng IL seems to more enabled by his signature Lightcone.
@@slaycg2536it's more of the opposite
First of all, props to listening to comments and actually using Bronya for Jingliu.
I just love the fact that Jingliu is on par w/ DHIL, so both waifu and husbando pullers can enjoy their unit w/o hating on the other.
Things to note though, Musketeer definitely favors DHIL more, and he is using SSS on JL w/c is completely not JL's bis planar. Add the fact that Yanqing has ice res, I believe JL does win by a small margin.
Yeah unfortunately I just don't have a good rutilant arena set for Jingliu, I appreciate yours and everyone feedback on the community post.
For my experience, I dont have Jingliu(yet,still deciding),
but Im F2P, have Imbibitor Lunae E0 S5 Fall of Aeon, E4 Yukong with S5 Planetary (because I pulled my early jades on Jingyuan banner and his LC), E6 Tingyun S2 Dance*3, and E0 Luocha with S5 Quid Pro Quo, and I can 0 Cycle the second stage with this set up.
Imbibitor with atk boots 4 pc Musketeer with 110 speed can move twice on first turn due to Dance dance dance and using E1 Tingyun speed buff.
My set up is well invested for Lunae even for F2P, but I dont have a Jingliu, Mr. Grimro is not using the best relics because obviously hes a content creator he cant just farm everything for every character that is released, and also both teams have their moments that they dont crit and missed some potential faster clears/more dmg output. I just want to say that in my experience with a high invested Lunae Yukong Tingyun Luocha F2P team, I was able to 0 Cycle the second stage.
And I am really very surprised of Jingliu's dmg output on the second stage, and we cant really tell if Jingliu can 0 cycle too the second team with high F2P investments and set ups focused on 0 cycling.
So we can't really tell who's the clear winner because we cant really create a FAIR match between them, BUT WE CAN ALREADY SEE that they're in the same tier in terms of dmg outputs.
All I can say is if shes that strong against an enemy that has resistant against her, that's kinda busted actually I didnt expect that at all, or maybe the MoC buff helped quite a bit? Idk. But the two Elite Soldiers on the first part got deleted quickly.
@GrimroGacha I would love to see DHIL also using bronya instead of tingyun. I feel that the crit buff from bronya ult is just so huge if you have a well build DH with decent ATK
@@user-by7hu9fz1e nice copium
@@LutzTebbe won't be better since you will have slower rotation as you can't Ult as fast. also IL cannot abuse bronya's kit since Lunae hogs all SP in him. rotation will be very hard and not efficient. you'll have to wait for hanabi and hanya for his new support. though Jingliu will get her 5star ice support soon too. so they will just keep performing close
Really curious if Rutilant would be enough to secure a win, those missed crits hurt
Landing a single one of the crits he missed would have. YQ was at 3% HP.
@@hunterace4275 this is why larger sample size is needed for these kinds of test. on average, JL beats DHIL here, especially so because she shouldve 1-cycled a non-ice weak boss, where DHIL has element advantage
@@raidenxt8737 I mean, they're both in sub optimal sets with one of these teams being way more stacked with Bronya AND her LC which just throws another 30% damage on top of whatever buffs Jing already has from her, every time she uses her skill, and no def shred for IL. Rutilant and proper sets for both would have allowed both of them to T0 here, to boot. Guys running base sets on both of them instead of their proper builds, and until Hanabi comes out JL's team is just going to be more complete.
If they both just used the Herta LC (Cause Jing's is defiantly way more broken with the def ignore, 42% extra damage, and 20% CD) on top of these basic sets, then we'd actually see F2P comparisons. I'm wholly of the mind that Jing's LC is carrying her a fuck ton.
@@Gration_ The team is more stacked because the character allows for it. Not being optimal with SP hungry supports is the downside to DHIL.
@@kuroh0241 Or, you know, your support shouldn't be SP hungry (And that's a cap cause Yukong is just as SP hungry) lol. Bronya's skills honestly just don't work as well as Ting or Yukong with Dan on top of the SP problem. It's not like Seele wasn't also stingy, she could just actually benefit from 1 turn buffs though.
That aside, the fact that she can use, for now, the best support in the game, with their perfect LC (Which is basically Meshing Cogs, Past and Future, and then SP generation on top, to put that into perspective. JL's LC also being equally as busted) and still only match Dan is weird, no? Such a massive advantage, and you aren't clear cut beating what most want to lose here. That says a lot.
I took a shot each time Grim said "here", I'm now writing from the afterlife. Lovely video!
To be fair, if you have e1s1 bronya wouldn’t you want to use her instead of tingyun or yukong on the DHIL team? You honestly would likely be able to one-punch the first phases of each MOC, bronya is just that broken
0BA -> bronya skill+ult -> DHIL ult+3BA
If she’s speed tuned right behind DHIL isn’t that ~60 energy regen per turn not accounting for ERR
im thinking the same thing
That's how i play with Dan IL myself and i m sad he scuffed the result by not using Bronya with Dan tbh
Yea this too. E1S1 bronya just best support in game.
Using her speedtuned with DHIL so he can basic first before doing his thing seems better result.
It was a really tough decision on what team to use for imbibitor. I decided to go with the most popular one in the community that most think is strongest but bronya might have been stronger.
@@GrimroGachayes, yukong bronya is stronger for IL. But that requires specific speed tuning that can be messed with by debuffs
Just pulled Bronya and Jingliu yesterday and currently building them up. Already decided on Jingliu + Pela + Bronya before seeing this video :) Dont have Luocha or Bailu sadly, hope Natasha can do in a Pinch... Really looking forward to making this killer team :)
Bailu won't do the work, Natasha, Lynx and Luocha is good, in fact we can wait for HuoHuo, she's gonna be a good healer for Jingliu
ohh so excited for this vid!
this is great content more showdowns please!
I'll see what I can do!
Finally the showdown I've been waiting for
Very good comparison vid. Thanks.
I was able to 1 cycle second half with attack boots E0S1 IL with full speed E0S1 bronya, tingyun as supports. maybe you could give it a shot, had to get my IL hit tho for getting ult at the start before his turn but it shouldn't be a problem with E6 tingyun (mine is only E4 unfortunately and jingliu banner doesn't wanna give any lol)
can you do this again for next MoC?
so my question is if you did this in one run, what would the teams look like? First one has Pela, JingLiu, Bronya. Second team has Yukong, DHIL. Where would Tingyun go and Luocha and who fills the remaining slot?
I would put luocha with imbibitor and put any other abundance with jingliu like bailu or lynx.
Both characters at E0S1 are on equal footing with each other which is great. I'm perfectly happy where Jingliu is in terms of power with DHIL and with her synergies with Blade make her so much fun. The only thing that makes DHIL stronger then Jingliu is E2 with is still the strongest Eidolon in the game. Maybe a E2S1 showdown in the future to show how ridiculous DHIL E2 is?
Unfortunately I don’t know of anyone with both of them E2
You gonna get surprise that E2S1 jingliu is on part with lunae E2S1. Lunae have better frontload but jingliu have better burst and long run dps. Its just show how busted the 2 of then are.
@@GrimroGachaI have both of them E2, account relics are p bad though. Would be willing to lend for a video
@@theolailheugue9402 Gonna correct you here, E2 Jingliu barely even compares with E2 Dan IL. That front loaded damage you try to parade around is the exact reason why he clears with a majority against E2 Jingliu, as why would you ever need to spread DPS across in MoC?
Using Prywden, over 8 cycles has around a 400k difference using the same set. No "long run dps" is going to gap that, and assuming since you have an E2, you are also running his BiS in which you can sustain that 3BA each turn with few exceptions.
Do you think that against yanqing if you didn’t use jingliu’s ult right after getting the spectral transmigration state and instead waited a turn to get bronya’s dmg buff it would’ve been a faster clear? Or would there be energy issues because you used skill while her ult was fully charged?
You can buffer her ult will skill and keep the buff of bronya who make jingliu clear faster than lunae in that situation yes.
Why not bronya with il? With e1 and her sig lc and Loucha sp will not be a problem
with dan heng il, you should use his ult at the end of his turn so it gets the dmg buff stacks from his passive. you used it on tingyuns turn once and you generally used it first before his enhanced basic (sometimes this was the right play, sometimes i dont think so) so theres definitely room for improvement for him there
There's a reason to do so, as explained in threads under the top comment. Using DHIL's ult during his turn would mess up Yukong's turns and the whole rotation as a result.
How does your pela get her ult up immediately after 1 skill on her first turn? I'm short 2 energy with the same e6 (shouldn't matter), pearls lc, and lvl 15 energy relic.
You need to enter with her technique and have enough points in her talent.
I have a big doubt with Jingliu... How does it perform better with Pela or with Tingyun E6? Always keeping in mind that the rest of the companions would be Bronya and Luocha or FuXuan. Thanks and excellent video as always. I am from the Hispanic community but I don't miss a single one of your guides.
Probably with Pela E4 more. Defence shred stacking is insanely strong for Jingliu. As for harmony support I think Bronya is enough.
Loved the video! Although i think you should've either banned bronya, or used her in both teams (yeah, i use bronya with imbibitor just because she is that broken)
Yeah I actually originally planned on banning her but included her based on feedback from my community post you can check on my channel.
Really nice commentary bro 😄loved it
nice showcase for jingliu man. loving the content
yo, I have DHIL and Blade as DPS and Fu Xuan as sustain, and Jingliu just fits perfectly for Blade, but Hanabi is releasing in version 1.6 and I main DHIL so she would be perfect, also I lost Jingliu's banner so I got a guaranteed, should I save for Hanabi or roll Jingliu?
I wonder what the damage comparisons would be like on their Best in slot. Because for sure DHIL will do better on Rutilant and JingLiu will do a lot more on Rutilant on a Quantum Set/Ice Set. Either way, they will both 0 cycle-1 cycle so it doesn't matter end of day.
Great showdown I'm glad they are closer ( I would even say JL is higher due to Yanqing resistances+Musk is better on IL than JL just by those 2 factors she won in my eyes, I got IL on my main and JL on my second acc so I'm glad regardless) As for short turns/cycles, shouldn't Bronya and Yukong be better for IL? since you repeat Luocha on both I was thinking the same as the supports. With Yukong E6PR5, ILE0S1, BronyaE1S1 sp shouldn't be an issue.
You might be right to be honest bronya might have been better than tingyun.
@@GrimroGacha That's the build I look for IL, got him with his LC, BS1 but missing Yukong E6 (E4atm) and hoping to get her rerun soon. I might say thank you kindly for all your hardwork with these tests, really help us to build with what we have to better results! 😁
Would love to see this exact comparison but on auto-play! Thanks for the content.
From what I have seen and heard, both of them are complete disasters when running auto. Jing uses her ult outside her buffed state, this is a massive damage loss, and sometimes doesn't use her skill to enter the state when you are low on skill points. I haven't personally seen IL in auto, I don't have him so I can't see it first hand and I didn't watch any guides on him, but from what people tell and from my own experience using auto in other teams the SP management in auto is disastrous, I can only imagine this going well with a character that uses 3 SP.
@@TunaHorns I have both, Lunae is def worse on Auto. Most of the time the Ai is using SP on one of my supps and not saving it so I dont get 3 sp. Jing Liu like you mentioned loses out dmg from her ult. But compared to Lunae who cant even SP is somewhat better ig.
@Duong867channel this is the true balancing in hsr. Who needs damage when you can't auto?
These 2 are some of the worst auto-units in the game. JY is king of auto-battles.
@@abdurehmanmalik2980 My favorite auto team by far is def a Luocha Blade Bronya team. The Ai just cant ever go wrong with this team.
At 15:01 you could have bronya skill to ult
And JingLiu skill to quick ult without waiting for the advance forward
JL ult will have both transmigration buff and Bronya skill and ult buff too and it would have been enough to do it in 1 cycle
Wondering how much farming n resource would have spent for the relics to achieve those stats. My fastest character had spd stat of his slowest characters showed here
Musketeer 4 piece gives 6 speed most of the time which is a massive help!
With JL, she has 37CD from her traces plus 50 CD base stat and a CD body. That gives her 151CD at minimum. for Rutilant Arena effect, she only needs 12% CR from substats.
He's got so much patience farming those!
Great video. Thank you.
No wonder he was talking about how important the trotter was😂😂 now i see if one had crit on her basic skill she would have done 1 less cycle! I loved the video kept me on edge❤
Damn to think that if the trotters didn’t get scuffed for jing liu she could have finished faster even on an ice res yanqing. Especially since they’re using relics that favor dhil more 😳
As somebody who doesnt have Bronya or E6 Yukong, from what i experienced both Jingliu and Daniel do same dmg. Jingliu does have a minimal edge since she can advance blades fallow up that just ends everything's existence though.
For me who doesn't have their both Signature LC, My Jingliu deal less damage than DHIL tho i have Bronya and pair her with Jingliu but i don't have E6 Yukong so still waiting for that Harmony Imaginary MC.
If you have Clara, she is basically Dan's Sub DPS (Good damage, also acts as a tank, pairs well with luocha for imaginary team). They both have Sub DPS units they can use.
@@xMomoeeharmony mc doesn't look to good for dhil
amazing content man
Im very confused if i should pull for inhibitor or save for acheron
Ik ratio is good but the single target of ratio is soo uncomfortable to use
Why is the -1 speed Bronya so significant? If your DPS (e.g. DHIL) had 136 is 134 bad in any way at all?
Bronya being 1 speed slower than jingliu means she will always be right after to boost her and gives her double turns.
I like these kind of comparison videos
is it recommendable to only farm for the musketeer set?
Musketeer is a good general set that works fine on most characters currently
That's why it's efficient to farm
If she crit on the pig she one cycle 2nd side
Honestly quite possibly.
It's so hard to crit with her outside of buff state. This is actually a fair run. I do think Jingliu is stronger though.
@@kieragard idk man should be a 50% chance yet she missed 3-4 times, the rest of the run was great but those crits on the trotters were definitely unlucky.
That was very exciting to watch lol.
Grimro I need to know, why don't I see people run Silver Wolf much with Jing Liu. I know Silver Wolf is good for giving her more defense shred while using the quantum set.
If Jing Liu is running said set, isn't SW and Pela double nihility better than Pela/Tingyun or Pela/Bronya? Cause my Tingyun has no eidolon and I have no bronya TT
The next video will be of great interest to you.
@@GrimroGachaThank you! That was lightning fast, I will be eagerly waiting for it.
So this will be two broken damage characters that I have missed. I got Kafka, Blade, and Fu Xuan, so I skipped over DHIL. I also really want Topaz for her follow-up gameplay so I only went to 50/50 on Jingliu's banner and lost to Welt (which I'm happy about because now I have another good Imaginary besides Luocha). I'm really hoping that Topaz can put out some really good damage with follow-up teammates like Kafka and Clara.
Here is hoping that topaz is completely insane!
I was intentionally aiming to fail 50/50 on the way to Topaz for Tingyun Eidolons and got Jingliu, with E2 Tingyun E5 Pela now I have to build Bailu while awaiting a Loucha rerun. I won 50/50s on Dhil, Fu E0S1, and Jingliu E0S1 my luck is gone I am sure...sorry Topaz I gotta wait for Huo Huo or Loucha
I was thinking maybe u can test both of them on a boss that's not their element or a boss weak to ice and imaginary then u try their single target dmg since ( I heard the swarm boss is coming to next moc and will have ice I think u can try it)
Would be nice if u bring teammate and not use them while doing the test for that turn to see if there really are a major power creeping
im having some problems with imbitor lunae e2, can someone try to help me with the rotation? i was using the same team
hey grim, absolute nice video but can you show your tracers level of your characters next time please?
This was really exciting to watch! Thanks for making this. I have a few thoughts after seeing it to the end. It seems DHIL was closer to a 0-cycle on the second half than Jingliu was, but they both wiped the floor with poor Yanqing either way. Jingliu honestly -1 cycled the first half from how massively she overkilled them. Yanqing's ice resist was indeed hampering her here.
I don't think you really touched on just how much of a disadvantage the relic setup was. Dan Heng makes perfectly good use of 4pc Musketeer (his 2nd best, almost tied without Welt), while Jingliu doesn't like attack as much and doesn't use basic attacks granting her almost nothing from the set bonuses. I know you farmed Musketeer like crazy, but I think a mention would be apt. Secondly the supports were all using Fleet 2pc which is also not ideal for her, she'd much prefer triple Broken Keel, more so than DHIL though he would as well. You could say that the extra HP from fleet indirectly buffs Jingliu a bit, but your supports should still have enough health to cap her passive regardless.
I don't think it's unfair to compare Bronya to E6 Yukong, both are kind of hard to get and I think I'll be able to choose Bronya (E1 in my case) from the standard banner before I'll get E6 Yukong, despite having chased her on her first banner. Her LC is quite nice on her though.
I fully expected Dan Heng to take this going in to it, considering the somewhat unfair setup but the fact they tied is pretty huge imo. Now I'm really glad I waited out the Dan Heng banner for Jingliu.
He miss play on jingliu run. Actually if he had just buffer her ult will doing the e he gonna 0 cycle yanqing regardless with less invest + ice res. It was just a miss play and a don t know mecanics of jingliu who s understable.
Well now I’m very stuck on whether I go for jing liu or dan heng ib
DH could definitely have 1 cycled yanqing if only he was able to crit all of his hits and if he popped up his ult right after the EBA at 11:01 cos the ult can actually inherit the 40 cdmg and 60% dmg buff if you spam it, then it would’ve made a huge difference and result at the end.
Good stuff
Queenliu is the best DPS that can recieve Bronya support aside from Blade+Bronya. IL can't have Bronya because of SP issue so he needs a different support i guess.. Maybe wait for Hanya
Jingliu E0S0 < DHL E0S0
Jingliu E0S1 > DHL E0S1
Jingliu E2S1
I agree with this. There's a big gap between Jingliu S0 and S1 (and an even bigger gap between IL E0 and E2).
at 15:00 if you queue up Bronya's Ult and Jinglius Ult right after E'ing the Trotter you actually keep the 1 Turn buffs from Bronya's E and her LC just for Jingliu's Ult so that would've easily been enough to 1 Cycle it :D
The buffs wont disappear until her ADV forward turn starts.
You are not using jingliu ult right after she does her skill that gets her to transcendence.
So you are missing 80% dmg boost on it.
Here is how you should do it:
Unenhanced skill of jingliu that gets boosted with skill> right after she does transcendence animation do bronya ult> jingliu ult
So jingliu still have dmg bonus from bronya skill on her ult
I'm surprised Silver Wolf wasn't part of either team. Is Pela really stronger? Maybe Silver Wolf is only stronger if you go for quantum set on Jingliu
For going for low cycles we need to get the defence shred on all the enemies asap so pela is quite handy for AoE scenarios.
no, both does massive aoe dmg, and SW only benefit when hitting the main target, you are giving up tons of dmg on nearby enemies by using SW, I will not tell who is better but I believe Pela has more use. Blade likes Pela more, also Jingliu, I believe IL as well, same goes for Jingyuan and Kafka (kinda). The only one really really needs SW is Seele. But SW has the weakness application advantage (However, it will be more and more trivialized by the release of more and more dps in the future).
i feel like musketeer is meta? do half your chars use that?
It's not the best in slot but its the most sp efficient to farm at and use on every unit in your roster
Grimro at the 10:50 cycle wouldn't you massively speed it up by Yukong ulting the trotter on DHIL's turn then DHIL ulting YQ, Ting ulting DHIL -> EB3 into another ult? Seems like you just wasted DHIL ult on the trotter when previously you used Yukong ult for it.
Yeah I caught that misplay aswell, when you do so many runs sometimes the one that ends up fastest has a mistake sadly. If I had unlimited tries I think both could get 1 cycle clears.
I see, that's understandable of course. Still a great video!@@GrimroGacha
It's really cool to see that they're pretty much on par with each other, so I don't have to regret missing out on the "better" unit and just went for the one I liked the most (Jingliu)
personally I love jingliu way more, she's also skill efficient, don't need to sweat on missing a heal or buff lmao
Awesome video. Just a quick tip about better utilizing bronyas skill buff when jingliu is about to transform and ult.
You can get more dmg out of Jinglius ultimates. In the video (for example at 14:58) you let the buff from Bronyas skill fall off before using JLs ultimate. Heres how you can do this: bronya skill -> jingliu skill at 1 stack -> jingliu starts transforming -> press jinglius ultimate before she gets her advanced turn -> jingliu uses ult (buffed from transmigration and bronya skill) -> bronya buff falls off -> jingliu gets advanced forward
To also get a buff from bronyas ultimate for JLs ult you can press it after using bronyas skill. The donwside of this is that you are wasting 1 turn of bronyas ult on JLs normal skill insted of using it on the enhanced skill later. I'm not sure if you can squeeze bronyas ult between jinglius transformation and jinglius ult and I dont know if this way is better, since i dont know how many turns of bronyas ult will JL have left when she gets advanced. I need to test if this is posibble and if it saves you a turn for JLs enhanced skill.
EDIT: so i have tested this and the speculated way is better. TLDR in the comments
Will test this in future runs thanks for taking the time to explain.
@@GrimroGacha So, I have tested this and using bronyas ultimate after jinglius skill but before her ultimate is better. This way you buff JLs ultimate and 2 enhanced skills. When you use bronyas ult before JLs skill you buff 1 normal skill, 1 ult and 1 enhanced skill, which is worse.
TLDR: use bronya skill -> JL skill at 1 stack -> JL starts transforming -> bronya ult -> jingliu ult -> jingliu gets advanced forward
I am extremely curious now who will powercreep Jingliu!
How would work iL with bronya? Bronya more slow than he ,and do IL basic(sp) -bronya E - IL Powered Basic
IL >134speed , bronya 134
Do you think I should have used a bronya team with DHIL aswell? I tried to use the most common and well known strongest team for each character and didn't see to many bronya suggestions for DHIL.
@@GrimroGacha nono ,i only ask if that combo will be good or not, i dont know if that team are better that tingyun or yukong, but maybe, i dont see soo much videos with that team
@@_Moonlight- on paper its good but in practice you facing sp problem . ideally play fast bronya for sp efficient than slow bronya for il
i want to know too who can clear faster forn Dhil, E6 yukong with Planetary or E0S1 bronya. Since Jing has E0S1 Bronya, also i have bronya with unbuilt E5 yukong 😢
wait, yukong is better than bronya for IL? I didn't know that..
I think E6 yukong is considered the best SP generator support for imbibitor at the moment but maybe there is some new crazy bronya stuff I haven't seen yet.
@@GrimroGacha Yeah I thought it was due to SP as well but then I realized you were using E1 S1 Bronya so idk, I kinda think IL would've definitely 0 cycled 2nd side with Bronya, but I guess its just speculation on my part
considering rng wasn't on your side with jingliu side on part 2, they're both equal tbh not that it matters xD, surprised how fast she got rid of the two void ranger x)
Well i think jing liu is little stronger than dan heng but looks like same tear.
dan heng IL only increase ct rate 30% so dan heng need more ct rate to activate accessory but jing liu can increase over 50% ct rate so she can get more ct damage than dan heng
And you use jing liu with bronya, dan heng with tingyun and tingyun have less buff than bronya and doesn't have increase ct damage so if you use dan heng with bronya, yukong than the damage will be similar not x1.5 difference
I think they both easily could've 1 cycled or 0 cycled yangqing if you did a couple more runs cause things like if you managed Yukong ult to get more milage out of the buff or if Jing just killed the trotters and didn't waste some time having to pop them. The only thing I will note was bronya seemed to really help Jing cycle a lot more to get a lot more attacks out compared to danIL but like yangqing was ice resistant so it feels like it kinda evens out. honestly the big thing is just how worrying all this is power creep, hopefully argenti and topaz aren't topping any charts and huohuo isn't just luocha but better. but who knows what will happen. I just hope they start to curve the damage increase and stuff. start giving us units that are competitive with blade, Kafka, and seele or are side upgrades of jing, and dan instead of just blowing them all out of the water.
Ideally argenti and topaz are on the same power level if possible.
as always i love the random master duel music
So IL is doing as much if not more than other dps abusing bronya
So what gonna happen when we get SP boosting support and IL start abusing bronya too ? 😅
Won’t be dat broken because they will also have downtime
Nothing will happen, JL will abuse bronya and hanabi….
I... I'm just gonna wait for Yayi and Hanabi.
Okay, serious talk, which one can break barrels in adventure domain faster
Jingliu because you just sprint from begining to end without having to press any button(I got both chaarcters and it's the first thing i wanted to know as well lol)
Now this is the hard hitting question that needs answering
jingliu for sure
Agree w others who mention JL’s ULT should be used in her state. Big diff.
At 15:00 you can use your ultimate before Transmigration state finishes and keep the bronya skill buff and all the talents and 1 turn buffs apply to it instead of losing it, where there is a big difference in damage from using it before and after.
I'm super surprised Daniel and Jing Liu were within what is basically a crit diff with only one side using Bronya. Daniel's ability to do big damage without the need for a lot of turns is insane in memory of chaos, where Bronya is a limited resource.
I'd be interested in seeing each DPS's non-bronya team matching up, and how much more powerful bronya makes them, because my Daniel (sometimes) 0-cycles with an E1S1 bronya, and I definitely have worse stats than you.
tbf, the point of saving all those SP for JL team is it allows her to access supports. If Bronya was replaced by Tingyun, she can get 1 more ult and 1 skill within her enhanced state.
DHIL buffs himself like crazy, at the expense of hoarding SP somewhere else.
that's the perks of having SP efficient. if no bronya, you can do Blade so there's someone doing damage again and again. Tingyun can take the 3rd spot if both are not present. IL cannot abuse bronya's kit due to his SP usage. and do note that in this video, seems like Jingliu is using a bad relic set. it can be improved since her best set is 4pc ICE set not the musketeer set where it boost attack and Basic attack where both are useless to JingLiu due to she gains tons of attack already and she does not use basic attack. Ice set gives more since it boosts ICE DMG and CritDamage.
and this is the reason why they are performing equally. just that there are players saying someone is stronger is just plain wrong. because the game is all about team performance. IL having strong damage gets penalized of not being able to abuse supports. while JingLiu being bit weaker than IL but can abuse supports resulting to similar overall.
Even without bronya, Jing liu can 1-2 cycle clear so i dont think anything will change with the result, grimro tried pela and tingyun instead of bronya for jing liu and did a 2 cycle clear. Although he did misplay with both characters, as both at e0s1 can 0 cycle.
Hanabi/Hanya will have the same effect as Bronya to Jingliu, the difference when they release will get bigger for IL since they're dedicated supports for him.
No... Jingliu > Ilu
@@Mika_5248liu can't really use hanabi tho, we'll wait and see
Yes it can because you can play with a sub dps and Hanabi is not the only harmony that will come out that only boosts ILU xD no matter how many times Jingliu gives it, in general terms she will always be a better character than Lunae.@@jin8982
@@Mika_5248most people will deny it. But there’s a simulator which proves that Jingliu is able to do more damage than Dan Heng for longer duration fights
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Finally, vindicated for pela with pearls of sweat, and brilliant stars, for non quantum carrys that already self buff. I can’t even mention resolution shines on Reddit without everyone saying it’s trash because there’s not thoughtless 100% uptime with the sw 4star cone.
One advantage for dan heng is he has a lot of hits to do (more chances to crit in any of those hits) meanwhile jingliu has this single attacking skill that is prone to not critting (like seele's ult) so yeah that's what i realized here. Both are great even at E0, but E2 DHIL is still godly.
Master Duel music? 👀👀👀 you play Yugioh Grim?
Sure do
I’m so hesitant to pull Jingliu. She looks so strong but I’m considering skipping all banners until Dan IL rerun to get his E2 (he’s E0 and I have two 50/50s to win)… which one do you recommend?
JL is great at e0 even with Herta LC. if i had enough pulls for her, I'd pull for this banner.
but if you're patient enough, you'll have to wait sometime between March and April for DHIL rerun😅.
Hmmm not sure when the DHIL rerun is going to happen but his E2 is certainly insane. Guess we need to see what new characters power levels are aswell though.
bro, DH is alr so strong at E0, I think have more dps to enjoy and build is more fun than sticking at only one or two.
one day these 2 eventually get powercreep by any other dps, it i'll be more wise if you save those stelar jade for a new broken dps in future update, since powercreep in this game is insane
@@diamonddust88 using your logic everyone should skip every single dps because they're bound to get powercreeped 🤦
And no one's getting powercreeped except for midyuan. Clara Seele Blade JL & dhil all can 0 turn MoC 10 without issue. You're better off worrying about job prospects than a gacha game roster.
u said "best teams" but on second half for weird reason we dont have Silverwolf instead of pela. Why???
For speed clearing pela and her aoe debuff allows for easier 0 cycling and sp economy. But maybe silver would have been a better pick? What do you think.
@@GrimroGacha i mean, enemy dont have ice weakness - thats already 20% less resist from adding it, then 13% reduse resists, and overall she decreases def more than pels (like 13% with bug combined, irrc), and you also will break boss toughness which will be 10% more dmg again...
And Pela ult is for 2 turns, SW ults for 3 turns
but ye, i realized there is one problem - it may put Quantum weakness and not ice :x so its rng =(
How is this fair for both dps? The buffers and debuffers are different. Especially bronya will make any dps better. It's like the jing yuan situation again, where ppl hyped him after only considering his best case scenarios.
If you go full imaginary set with IL, you can get a better performance if you bring Pela instead of Yukong.
that goes same to JingLiu team dude. she doesn't benefit from musketeer set xD that's basic attack boost and she doesn't use basic atk :)
for support, we'll have to wait for hanya and hanabi for Lunae while waiting for the Ice harmony for JingLiu. both will just perform equally
@@lsnexus2080 true but I was not talking about Jingliu
@@KiroKMC thing is both will equally perform in future regardless. Lunae being strong with his supports as hypercarry, while Jingliu's flexibility of abusing supports and team comps as she doesn't use too much SP.
some people hated Jingliu to perform equally as lunae as they want ONLY lunae to be powerful unit ever. but this game will keep on going for powercreep. neither of them will remain on top.
@@KiroKMC but ur dragon boy still have advantage + 10% basic attack damage from cowboy set, and jing liu is not, and also imaginary weaknes
This was a musketeers of wild wheat showcase
I was wondering how il e2 fairs against Jing lie e2
E2 IL is stronger at E2 no competition.
Anyone who has these two can just pull for Sustains and Supports if there just gonna rip thru enemies without type advantage. (Especially since you can throw on quantum set or something)
For sure unless they make the game harder these guys certainly have damage dealing covered on your account no problems!
Yeah, for like 3 month until next powercreep.
Until next wave of powercreep few patch down the line, or maybe even next patch lol.
Better pull op support tbh, more long lasting than dps.
Why are we still throwing around the word powercreep as if content isn't clearable by the older characters?
@@farslght 3 months would be like 1.6 you think they really gonna release a character that competitive outscales the to dps in two patches😂😂😂
@5:48 should have use normal attack, ult, then normal attack again for 3 straight massive hp dumps.