Debate on feminism and gender equality broadcasted on Danish and Swedish television 17 december 2015. English subtitles available. Original title: "Debatten Danmark og Sverige, feminisme og ligestilling TV DR"
I totally agree, which is exactly why I decided to upload the video. It's time to show the world how to destroy the radical feminist pseudo-arguments in a calm and rational manner.
I think it was pretty even, with both sides having good points. I *really* disliked the Swedish woman in the middle of the front row, though. She rambled and spoke to people extremely condescendingly. What I think was the most glaring thing, though, was that several on the Danish side agreed that there was inequality, but did not agree that the state should intervene in any way, and instead let things change in its own pace through culture (be it corporate culture or other). So most did not disagree with the cause itself, just with the implementation. One can say that most Swedish feminists are extremists in their attempts of implementation to enact change, and maybe it won't change things any faster, but both sides seemed to agree that change was good and will come eventually. There were lots of facts and numbers of statistics from Sweden's side, and mostly arguments of passion and personal freedom from the Danish side. But I don't think the Danish side was so wrong in many of the points. They are correct that people should have personal freedom to make their own decisions.
"There were lots of facts and numbers of statistics from Sweden's side..." The problem is that most of these "facts and numbers" are nothing more than feminist propaganda. A quick rundown of some of the Swedish points made in the debate will demonstrate what I mean. - "Men as a group are valued higher than women" (Veronica Palm). No they're not. Men earn more on average, mainly because they tend to work more than women and in higher paying jobs. It's illegal to discriminate based on gender in both Denmark and Sweden when it comes to wages. - "We are cultural beings and you are on the wrong side of history [to David Eberhard]." (Linnea Bruno). Of course we are, but we are also biological beings at the same time and these feminists seem to completely dismiss that fact, because it has been used against women historically. - "An EU study came out last year were Denmark is at the top when it comes to men's violence against women." (Linnea Bruno). That is what the study says, yes, but that says more about the lacking validity of the study than it says about Denmark. To claim that 52% of Danish women have been subjected to physical and/or sexual violence since the age of 15 is simply ridiculous, unless you widen the definition of (sexual) violence so much that it effectively becomes meaningless. The overwhelming majority of women feel very safe and secure in Denmark and have not experienced anything of the sort. Of all the Danish women I know personally, and I know quite a few, only two have experienced anything like that. I realize that's anecdotal evidence, but if violence against women was such a common occurrence here, then why is it not on everybody's lips all the time? Why don't we constantly hear politicians say that something must be done about this epidemic of violence? Why isn't there a constant outcry in the media about it? Because it's a lie. Plain and simple. As Leny Malacinsky correctly pointed out, by crying wolf and claiming that almost everything is violence against women, we're doing a huge disservice to women who have actually experienced serious violations, so let's stop doing that and actually help the real victims. - "One Macbook each month for 30 years for all men." (Sonja Schwarzenberger, the one you really disliked in the front row). Again, the wage gap myth is being perpetuated, even though it has been debunked a countless number of times by renowned economists, and even though she admits to Leny Malacinsky that women earn less due to part-time work etc. She also seems to imply that men are stealing from women. Both, of course, is absolutely ludicrous. I could go on and on pointing out the inconsistencies and inaccuracies of the Swedish feminists' "facts and numbers", but this will do for now. Hopefully, you no longer think that their arguments were more fact-based than those of the Danes, because they really weren't. Moreover, whenever the Swedish psychologist David Eberhard and the Danish neuroscientist Lone Frank tried to introduce biological facts into the debate, the were either dismissed or ignored, because hardcore scientific facts flat out contradict the preposterous claims of these feminist ideologues.
My point, Ideator, was that in this debate, they were even. What you're doing is saying that Denmark won because of what you know and believe, and in that case Denmark might have won, because you know the counter-arguments to what the Swedish feminists said. But that doesn't change the fact that in this particular debate, the feminists said statistics, the anti-feminists talked about passion and free will. The anti-feminists even acknowledged that men should stay home more, that there are more women being beaten, and that there is, in part, a lack of discussion in Denmark. They didn't really refute the numbers from the feminists either (except saying that pulling peoples' hair shouldn't count as abuse). Please pay attention to the difference here, I'm only talking about the arguments brought forth by the two different camps, and not what you or me might think personally based on what we have read. It's possible to take parts from both sides. Don't need to 100% debunk everything because of a label or a disagreement of some parts, which the anti-feminists didn't fully do, hence why I have trouble seeing it as a "demolition". If you do, then you're not being objective about what was said. On a personal level you might think what the feminists said was complete bullshit, but the debate itself, between the two camps, did not reflect that. --- Personally, I don't know what the reason is for women being in less paid jobs, but I kinda have trouble thinking it's in women's nature to not want higher paying jobs or have a career. Women could not own business or land, or vote just a few single generations ago, always stayed home and raised children, are still expected to raise children, and were regarded as pretty much slaves not that long ago in a historical perspective. Of course that's not the case anymore, it's pretty much equal ground now. But I'd be surprised if it didn't leave traces in a societal structure. Current examples like men being afraid to ask their boss for parental leave, or women not feeling like they can honestly demand things when talking salaries with their boss after they've been home with a baby for 8 months, men hiring men out of familiarity, et cetera. There's about 18 years of society steering one's actions before you go out and get a job. A person is not secluded from small but prolonged outside influences. That doesn't mean I think we should put any laws in place; just that there are some things that need time to change (as both sides agreed). Maybe it can be done quicker, maybe it can't. Maybe some things are experimental, maybe some are stupid, maybe some changes work, maybe some don't need to work? --- As a side note, I am sure the psychologist and neuroscientist are correct in a vast majority of things. Men and women are different. But I have huge problems with them trying to state facts about human behavior when we know so little about how peoples' minds actually work, or we'd at least be somewhere close to knowing how to solve, for example, depression or why depravity occurs. It's impossible to get real empirical evidence for either direction of the argument, since you can never get a sterile environment with enough test subjects, and no outside societal influences. Besides, the psychologist said that it was hurtful for a boy to be raised as a girl when he was never supposed to be a girl (unlike maybe transgender-born people with maybe ambiguous genitalia), and I fully agree with that. But what I think the woman was talking about was not raising the child as the other sex or no sex, but to just not assume that a girl wants an Elsa doll, and instead just show the toy isle, or ask if she wants to dance or do kickboxing, without caring what gender the child is. That's a very different thing. But I agree that anything else could be hurtful. There is absolutely no way that a psychologist can, for example, know how a whole society would act if they started using a gender-neutral pronoun when suitable. There simply is not. It might be bad, it might be good, but what I know is that nobody knows the outcome. But it's just a linguistic difference. Japanese can be used with completely gender-neutral pronouns, and when I use it I think it makes referring to things easier. Not long ago you weren't even really allowed to say "you" in Sweden, you said "Mr. Bankman". I'm glad that linguistic feature was removed. Also, I've never heard anyone advocate for the removal of "he" or "she" or banning its usage in any way; it's just about introducing the option of saying the informal "hen" instead of the formal/rude "that person" when appropriate.
a fuck, forgot about that. We are still way closer to Denmark then Sweden. gender quotas are given to both men and women. it states that it should be minimum 40% of both genders in the boardroom. so if something is women dominated, quotas are given to men and vise versa.
Still really dumb. Some men risk loosing opportunities they might be better at than other by the fact that they are men. The other way around for women.
Thankfully, people are catching on to the fact that the majority of feminists are suffering from some kind of shared personality disorder. The woman in the purple jacket, as well as the first female speaker, both being fine examples.
@zxcnjfrsfg No it doesn't, the red pill teaches men how to manipulate and rape women (overcoming last minute resistance). You have a point but your head is in the wrong alley. I'm all for egalitarianism which is what feminism is about(atleast it's supposed to be), you and like many are confusing feminism for radical feminism. I have donated to men's liberation which is a male group that supports mens and women's rights. Rest assure, I will do my part and fighting against radical feminism.
I agree with you 100% im from Sweden and every feminist I talk to is exactly like this. I just want to say there is many Swedes that 100% agree with the Danish man like myself and I know many of my friends are the same.
Sonja? (the woman in purple) was incredibly disrespecful, patronizing and interrupted all the time. She talked down to people as if they were children, in an attempt to establish her own intellectual superiority, almost as if compensating for something. Fittingly, she was wrong every time she opened her mouth. What an insufferable person. Calling the conclusion to an incorrectly analyzed collection of statistics "facts" when it is demonstably not true or representative of anything remotely useful in a debate about the role of genders influence on wages is just fucking insulting. Why was she even there? She contributed nothing and only ended up pissing everybody off.
+Hello this is horse Her name is Sonja Schwarzenberger and she is a Swedish journalist and feminist (in case you didn't know ;-). I agree that she was incredibly condescending and interrupted like a mother trying to correct little children of their misconceptions. Needless to say, that's not a very constructive way to discuss these matters, but unfortunately it's not that uncommon in these sorts of debates. Just look at Kate Smurthwaite from England in this debate: th-cam.com/video/WdbAxDdtMZs/w-d-xo.html (If you don't know her, she has dark brown hair, ponytail hairstyle and wears a red vest in this video).
+Hello this is horse Excellent link, thanks. I couldn't agree more that this sort of "debating" is both funny and frustrating to watch. Below is a link to Sargon of Akkad's hilarious response to that particular debate. Notice in particular his comments on Kate's untimely remarks and constant interruptions (app. 7m, 30s in). I strongly recommend you check out his channel, if you haven't already. His commentary is both funny and informational. th-cam.com/video/w1sxoQ0XoKM/w-d-xo.html
+tsjoencinema Sadly, a lot of feminist journalists blatantly promote their ideology through misrepresentations in the news media and in debates such as this, not just in Sweden. This happens in Denmark as well, albeit to a lesser degree than in Sweden.For instance, fairly recently, an article was published in a Danish newspaper stating that only 1 in 60 rapes in Denmark leads to criminal conviction, as if Denmark had suddenly turned into Congo. Needless to say, the journalists had a clear feminist agenda and did an extremely poor job of interpreting the results of the survey in question, but factual scientific language does not sell, sensationalism does. www.mx.dk/nyheder/danmark/story/22632243 The danger is that politicians tend to listen to such rubbish and make new policies based on it, so I'm afraid we're all going to hell if we don't stand up to this madness, because it's not going away by itself and it's starting to affect us all on a massive scale.
+Ideator To be fair to the rest of the Danish media, although they do certainly mess up at times and fall into the fear-mongering trap, that article is from MetroExpressen. The "newspaper" is basically the Danish version of buzzfeed, posting nothing but clickbait, gossip and agenda-pushing. Occasionally they copy-paste some real news :^)
My impression is that even among the feminists the difference in attitude was striking. The Danish feminists seemed reasonable and made some decent points while the Swedish feminists were unnecessarily aggressive, dodged questions and made arguments that were rife with fallacies.
Yes, the egalitarians/humanists (or whatever they identify as) were very reasonable. But I was talking specifically about the Danish feminists, which were Emma Holten and Pia Olsen Dyhr (who got understandably upset at the bald Swedish prick for being so condescending towards the Danish) if I'm not mistaken. My point was that among these feminists, the Swedish ones stuck out in a negative way.
A completely unwatchable debate, the Swedish host and the feminist debaters can't stop interrupting the opposing arguments. Interruption after interruption after interruption, always mid-sentence, nobody has time to actually finish their points, rendering the debate meaningless.
That goes for all social democrats, feminist and muslim. If theyre wrong they scream, interrupt and acting like 14 year old teenagers . we see this all over the world - trump, brexit and several times in denmark :)
Il Canale di Nicola, You're either bat shit crazy or just plain ignorant. Either way you're completely wrong. Denmark has always been way more connected to the rest of Europe due to its located than Sweden has, Denmark always had a lot of interactions with the Germans, the Dutch etc. while Sweden was way more "isolated" up there. And Denmark being isolationist is a pretty fucking moronic claim when they're part of The Nordic Council, EU, UN, NATO etc. They're a member of pretty much every organization available to them, how the fuck is that isolationist? Do you even know what the word means? Sweden is the country wanting to remain outside of certain international organizations (NATO for example), because they want to remain "neutral" and not get involved. Hate immigrants? Right, the country that has had way more immigration than Sweden throughout its history, up until Sweden went full retard a few years ago? Immigration has always been a thing in Denmark due to its geographic location and interaction with the rest of Europe. If you read about Danish history you'll see quite a few Germans, Dutchies etc. taking part in it for example, Sweden was way more homogeneous than Denmark up until recently. Denmark "hates" immigrants who only come to the country to take advantage of its welfare, to commit crime, to beg etc. like any sane country should. There are plenty of EU citizens, Americans, Asians etc. doing perfectly fine in Denmark and no one sane hates them at all, why would they? I don't think Sweden is suicidal either, their priorities are just fucked up and they're walking down a horrible road that'll only lead to disaster. It's not that they're actively trying to "die" I think, but that they're too concerned with being the "humanitarian superpower" and not with doing what's best for their country. Nothing has improved for Sweden by letting all of those immigrants in, quite the opposite.
It's funny that the woman at the start of the debate claims to know how things are in Denmark when she doesn't! Also, she isn't even listening to what he tells her and are placing words in his mouth, as if she's tring to make him say what she wants him to say so she can "win" LOL! And what's with that angry bald nutjob who had to insult Denmark? Seriously!
The Swedish host was very bad and biased. she shut up the Anti feminist and Danes. She seems to only want the feminists to speak. It really bothered me that she shut up the good arguments halfway through, which indicates a bias.
I'm ashamed of my country, ashamed of my people, luckly there is still a good bunch of men and women that hasn't lost thier braincells - A Swede who believes in equality, not in feminism
Sofia Clausen In definition yes, in practice no. Our laws never limits women and that is what shows you that our country already has gender equality. Basically some people are just crying about something that has become man-hating. There is a reason why right-wing parties are becoming more popular and that is because people realize that they are right. No pun intended xD
The whole point of 1st and second wave feminism was equality, if someone wanted to be something that was outside your gender, ie a woman wanting to be an engineer, or a man wanting to run a day care centre (both important positions in society) they wouldn't be stopped solely by their gender, Sweden is trying to erase what is essentially biology
@@hypphypp because they planed it to blame it on ’foreingers’ and give them bad name because they 1.racist 2. dont want foreingers and more foreingers come to their country. So they find other ways to push them. Thats it.. nothing else. Your smart but not smart enough.
Haha as a Swedish woman, I have to say Jan was amazing, probably ruffled a few feminist feathers when this happened: Veronica Palm (interrupting Jan): Men are more prone to violence and abuse. Jan: Probably because women interrupt. Lol lol lol day fucking made 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
the Danes are MILES ahead of the swedes with their insight into this situation. Mainly in their willingness to use biological arguments which the swedes avoid in favor of social constructionist ones.
This means that the Danes interact in a world of realities while the Swedes do so in a world of crazy, delusional, misguided, and ultimately suicidal ideals.
Eddie 'JaggSauce' Gluskin Jeg ikke religiøs. der er ikke noget racistisk ved at være imod islam, men hvis du vil i 'krig mod islam' så er du nødt til at kunne identificere muslimer. Hvordan har du tænkt dig at gøre det?
Sweden really needs to get a grip on their own self flattery. What an unbelievably annoying little hobbit that bald Swedish guy lecturing Danish men all the time. Really pathetic. I have lived in Denmark and they are the coolest people on earth and I am glad to see they are on the right side in this debate, although not surprised at all.
Maybe it's because I'm Danish but it came off to me like the Danish were on the side of reason and moderation and the Swedes were on the side of extremism and fear mongering in this debate. And was I the only ones seeing the looks of disbelief on the Danes every time the camera panned to them while the Swedes were talking? Also sounds like the Swedes feminists are stuck viewing the world that it was 20 years ago. And Omg the amount of times the Swedish side in this debate interrupts the Danes whenever they are making a point.
There is no wage gap, it's an earnings gap. If you believe you should be paid the same as another without working for it you are, in essence, demanding to be paid more than the other person.
Not "they" , but "hen" = he / she ( han / hon ) - a new genderless 3rd person singular pronoun in the "Swedish" language. Danes with their very similar language simply refuse to use such a silly nonsense word - seeing it as Swedish PC'ness gone completely mad - once again ;-)
+Tattersail Yes, it is ;-) - stupid beyond belief. Ok, most Danes then, who have not been PC brainwashed yet and are still able to think for themselves - is that better? Most people in DK by far could hardly believe what they were hearing from this halo polishing Swedish PC brigade during this debate - no real arguments, just constant interruptions and refusal to even listen, because these people are so selfgood and infallible with their "correct" views. It's like some sort of Swedish mass psychosis - or a real life version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers", if you like ( a famous US Sci Fi horror movie ). It was hilarious to watch them and their behaviour and their shock at someone actually daring to openly oppose their insane views regarding gender, which they are not at all used to in Sweden, where very few people dare to speak up against them for real. Just look at the way these idiots are interrupting everone else constantly, simply won't allow other opinions to exist and are busy patronising people who have the audacity to dare to express them in their presence - it's like some sort of fanatical religious cult. The good thing is that fewer and fewer normal people - both women and men - are paying any attention to this ignorant PC nonsense any longer. We are just amused big time by their pseudo scientific studies and arguments.
+Bjowolf2 I realise the Swedish gender neutral third person pronoun is "hen", but that would mean very little to a native English speaker, hence the word "they" which is the English equivalent term for that. As an aside, the equivalent Danish term is "høn" or "hæn", which nobody in Denmark uses either, although feminists tried to introduce it back in the 1970s.
Ideator I see, but I was just trying to explain it in more detail, so that the English speaking viewers may get some idea how stark raving mad and fanatical these PC people & extreme feminists really are ;-) ROFL @ høn & hæn - I had completely forgotten about those. I guess most people here in DK simply thought they were joking ;-)
+Bjowolf2 It does sound wrong, doesn't it? :) Fortunately, the use of the gender neutral third person pronoun has been rejected by The Danish Language Committee: www.tjeksproget.dk/node/900
Wow, Sonja Schwarzenberger was so condescending and manipulative. She always spoke as if everything she said was absolute fact (although it absolutely was not), and tried to make herself look like the sensible one, by talking in that calm, condescending tone as if speaking to a child.
Hold da kæft hvor er ham Joakim en kæmpe nar. Hvad laver han overhovedet der, han havde intet produktivt at sige. Han er typen der prøver at tie folk med skældsord, når han ikke længere kan følge med i samtalen.
Already in the first debate, you can see how the feminist swede already refuse to think about the question Jan puts her in. she just repeats "can't you see it?". she doesn't really come up with any arguements.
Fredrik Carlén YOU HAVE ACTUALLY MADE THE MOST REALISTIC, LOGICAL AND UNCOMPLICATED STATEMENT THAT SETTLES THIS ARGUMENT. NOW A DAYS SPECIALLY IN FINANCIALLY TROUBLED TIMES MAJORITY OF WORKPLACES ARE TRYING TO CUT DOWN THEIR BUDGETS AND ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR CHEAPER LABOUR AND EMPLOYEES. SO HAVING AN WOMEN EMPLOYEE WHO IS EQUALLY QUALIFIED AS A MAN BUT GETS A LESSER WAGE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE A HUGE FINANCIAL ADVANTAGE FOR ANY EMPLOYER. SO YOU HAVE MADE A SOLID STATEMENT. MY HATS OF TO YOU👍
I love how they talk about gender equality in Sweden and Denmark while I'm sitting here in Turkey where women get killed just because they want to divorce :'/
Mertkan Koca It breaks my heart too. The situation of the women and the girls in Turkey and how they usually are treated by the society and its norms... It is nice to see these people discuss about how their nations and states can build a better world in which people are not discriminated because of their gender, in a civilised way -well, Swede ones are not that civilised but whatever-. As a Turkish man, I do not like it to witness of this Islamist-fundamentalist transformation of Turkey which makes our country a worse place for our women to live in.
@@FalconLover05 That's nonsense... Men are 23 times more likely to die in their workplace because they do all sorts of dangerous jobs (usually outdoors) that almost no woman does. Have you ever heard feminists moaning about this "gap"? Please, give me some example. Also give me some example of feminists promoting more women working as plumbers, electricians, bricklayers, etc. Those are all relatively well paid jobs. And some examples of feminists concerned with violence against men (which society sees much more as "normal" than violence against women). I can ask for some more examples because there are more issues that men have to face, but for now, this should be enough. Thanks.
Livetsflicka, Yeah, what a nasty guy he is for praising people's looks! Real monster right there... What the fuck else would he comment about when he's talking about "Swedish women" as a group? It's hardly like he fucking knows them all personally so he can't really comment on all their individual personality traits, can he?
That Danish man has my respect It takes balls to go to a place surrounded by people who would do anything to interrupt you from making your point. He not only made his point but calmly dismantled this third wave feminism dichotomy of sorts Kudos man, the world needs more people like you
Not so sure if Sweden will stay all that great for the women or the LGBT crowd with their current immigration and integration issues. Islam isn't exactly know for being tolerant or to focus on equality.
sweden is insane, but denmark is quite clever doe. denmark is exactly what america needs when it comes to feminism issue. or other types of issues as well. bernie sanders was right on that, its definitely better than hillary's feminism
Actually, Sweden and Canada (and probably Norway as well) have the same system of cultural Marxism. When I hear the Swedes talk, it's the exact same model answers that you can hear out of the mouths of Canadians.
I'm swedish and I've never been more ashamed of the people who represent my country. If I were to meet these people in real life I would teach them a thing or two!
ya the guy that was no a fiminist got stoped each time he spoke to the point where he got angry. but most fiminist where allowed to talk all they wanted. did happen ones or twice they also got stoped. But i agree. let them finish. omg.
I'm so glad Pia put Joakim in his place at the end... The feminist side was just way too condescending and if I had a debate where people talked to me in that way, I would have been pissed. But I agree with the Danish non-feminist mentality "we are equal in every aspect, but people as individuals make different choices in life"
The women in the very first segment, that claims that men earns more than women are refereing to the infamous "gender pay gap" *dun dun dun lighting* What she fails to realize is that the study that proves the "wage gap" actually only managed to find 1 country without a gender pay gap (actually there is a gap, but it's in the favor of women, so who cares)... and that country is Denmark... the study showed that in Denmark, women earn 102 $ for each 100$ a man earns during their life span. (no matter job, education, or any factors at all)
The problem with feminism, is that, contrary to what these activists claim, they do not support gender equality, however what they do support is female rights. Fundamentally, this idea is so incorrect, due to the fact that you cannot claim rights for one single people group, we already experienced the horrific events that take place under such conditions far back in time with racism aswell as division of political or religious beliefs. Gender should be treated equally, not by specifically picking out rights for one single group of people, that is against the important aspects of freedom and equality. Equality means "same for everyone". I can see how feminists argue that social structures and norms creates certain idealistic views upon the female gender, and of course, that is not fair at all. Females are expected to be innocent, beautiful and VICTIMS. If you see how these feministic activists react and argue in this debate, they show direct parallels to this exact norm that they're in fact speaking against?! They're whining and attacking the other individuals in this debate, and downright talks down to them. Its ridicilous, they are acting against their own morals. Most importantly, everyone has to remember, no matter how you twist or look at things, that we all have a fundamental biological brain, and gender is a very huge part of that, its a part of nature and our ability to survive. A male brain works more aggressive, logical aswell as having the ability to lead and make fast decisions. This does NOT mean that women are not able to do this, but the female brain works directly opposite of this. The female brain is sensitive, caring, nurturing and analytical, and when you combine these two brains together, you create what is keeping us alive at this very moment? We need women, and we need men, they serve different purposes and have advantages on both sides. Its the laws of nature. They wonder why women will be called "whores" or "sluts" for being sexually active, which is actually something that lies deep in our nature. Women are supposed to choose the strongest man, and the strongest genes for their children, and that is not every man they meet. Women are made to have a choice, and to reject those who doesn't seem as a strong partner. Its just simple facts. Men are made to reach out and find as many mates as possible, to spread genes as much as possible so that his genes gets progressed and brought further on. Men just desire those women who seem to be the healthiest and go for them first, because they give the highest opportunity to nurture their children properly and succeed the pregnancy. Its nature people, just deal with it, men are not stronger than women, we work differently, men are better at some things than women, and women are better at some things than men. However, i'm not saying that this means that women shouldn't have the right to be sexually promiscous, they can do whatever they want, we live in a free society, but people should respect the fundamental laws of nature that we so much depended on. Its survival. By taking on that identity, you literally ask for criticism, because its just not how its supposed to be, but if that floats your boat, then go ahead. I'm just stating facts.
You're spot on, but it is so frustrating that alot of feminists today just cant accept basic laws of nature. Trying to force things that naturally goes against our biology does more harm than good and it wont make anything more equal just because we seem to be more alike. We are different and it is something we have to accept and work with, now that doesn't say we shouldn't have the same opportunities to choose to do whatever we want it just means that we should be aware of those generalized differences that exists between us.
Nah you are wrong. You just lied and made assumptions without backing it up. There is no science to back up men been more logical or aggressive, you just made that up and then stated it like it was a fact. As for your comment on equality, equality is way more complicated than you can ever grasp. I don't see much point in explaining it to you as you have such a blatant disregard for such things as facts and science.
"There is no science to back up men been more logical or aggressive,..." I suggest you actually enact the labor of reading up on science rather than making such inane and ignorant statements in the future. A small primer from Wikipedia: "On average, in adult males, levels of testosterone are about 7-8 times as great as in adult females." [...] "Testosterone is significantly correlated with aggression and competitive behaviour and is directly facilitated by the latter." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone#Aggression_and_criminality
I'm Italian, and I moved in Sweden in the summer of 2015, and I'll leave Sweden as soon as I can! At 38:20 a man said: "If the men feel only your benefit from this, then they become angry and frustrated and than you're lost them!" Too late! They've already lost their men! I read that more than half of Swedish children actually born from a couple where one of the parents is a foreigner!!! The Swedes in that are all women, the only Swedish man is such an unmannery and arrogant person!!! If this is their "model" of Sedish man, well... maybe the "patriarchy" is not that bad! I would like to know what all those Swedish women studied... I'm wondering if some of them studied engineering or stuffs like that! I would like also to know why if their point of view is so strong, they banned documentaries, as the Norvegian "brainwashed" which caused the shut down of founds of the feminist studies institute by Nordic Council of Ministres. Feminist talk ignoring facts like genetic and hormones that effect the behavior of babies even before the birth!!! I have another reason, after Lego, to love Danemark! :D
TL;DR: Feelz vs. Realz. One side is all based on feelings and theory. The other side based in facts and neutral studies (as in, studies not made on the basis of backing up a certain oppinion) It's interesting to look at how the different sides of the debate reacts. On side clearly prefere tactics such as interupting, or the silent eye rolling or condecending smirk.
People might say Danish is an ugly language, but honestly, the swedish pronounciations sound ugly to me too, it’s also like throwing up, not a pleasant sounding language
When watching and listening the debate from another Nordic country, Finland, between the Danish and Swedes I have to say that the majority of Finnish people agree with the danish point-of-view. What comes to gender, it's biological and it can't be chosen otherwise. What is you identity, man/woman/other is for you to decide. E.g gender isn't a social construct. One can mock us as inexpressive but we then to favour facts over feeling (unlike our neighbours on the western side of the border do). When it comes to education about whether there should be gender neutral daycares and schools I fail to find a reasoning behind this. Our school system is among the best of the world and we do feel pride over it. Hence, it's not gender neutral, feminist etc. it's equal. Girls are allowed call boys as boys, and boys are allowed to call girls as girls. Now, one of the main points on the feminist side/mostly Swedish side was that using "hen" instead of "han" or "hon" would increase gender equality. In Finnish language there is no "hon" or "han" to describe pronounces between sexes. There is only "hän" which is used from both sexes. However, I dare to say, this has not made Finland any more gender neutral or equal than it's Nordic neighbours. "Hän/hen" ska spela med barbie-doll and "Hän/hen" ska spela med bil. Det pronominet gör absolut ingen skillnad mellan människa. By only changing words you do not succeed in blurring the genders. Women in Finland are just as womanly and men are just as manly despite the lack of gender pronounce between the sexes. in families with children, in Finland, the one that earns more can stay home with the child. Sometimes the so called "bread earner" is the wife/mother and the man stays home, but we've understood that if mother want's to stay at home with the newly born instead of the father they have to have a right to do so. Also, what comes to women's careers and the wage gap. In Finland, the private sector companies just do not afford to hire a less skilled man over the woman candidate just due to his gender. Corporations also know that if they are not able to come into an agreement with the woman employee and she chooses to switch the employer you're stuck with the less able man. In a nutshell, gender does not determine your abilities and productivity. Companies choose the one who's more productive than the other every time and gender has nothing to do with it. I'm pretty sure that the shareholders in other Nordic countries are just as motivated to enhance their economic well-being than the Finnish ones. All in all, Finnish point-of-view is more or less the same than the Danish one. (During the debate we like to receive ad hominem attacks - spewed by the Swedish counterparts in this debate - because it shows us we're winning the debate.)
I'm French. I'm following what's going on in America and the UK and stuff about Social Justice and feminism. I'm a great fan of Hoff Summers, Dawkins, Hitchens, Shapiro etc. I also know that, apart from the immigration problems, Sweden is a hell of a place when it comes to being overly Politically correct. But watching this debate actually scared me. Those women are so snake-like, so pissed, so arrogant, angry, playing the victim card. I'm really afraid for our culture as a whole. And I'm also sure all of these feminists think that Islam is a religion of "Peace and love".
That is exactly why I uploaded the video to TH-cam. We should be scared of this, because it's an advocacy of all sorts of politically correct (pc) insanity, and I think the Danes in the debate did a very decent job of debunking this insanity in a calm and rational manner. Rational people everywhere in the Western world need to stand up and fight the pc insanity, otherwise our cultures are indeed doomed! Thanks for your excellent post.
As an American woman, I straight up laughed at that blonde woman with the bright red lipstick who said 17 women a year experience violence from men in Sweden and 10 percent don't feel safe going out at night. I was like that's all? The Nordic countries are about as good as it's going to get in regards to true gender equality, and they still feel like they have something to complain about? The U.S. has a long way to go in regards to gender equality, but we still fare better than most places.
Her name is Linda Nordlund (Swedish liberal feminist) and what she ,said was that 17 Swedish women are beaten to death each year by their partners, but still I couldn't agree more. 17 deaths from partner violence per year is 17 too much, but out of a population of close to 9 million you have to expect some rotten apples in the barrel, and no policy is going to change that unless you lock up the entire population (or maybe just all the men?) or give them all a lobotomy or something. Which option is more cruel?
I honestly don't care who she is, all I know is that she speaks from a place of extreme privilege, but then again where she lives has facilitated her thinking so she can't really be blamed for it. The Nordic countries have gender equality to such a high degree, that they seem to have lost touch with actual real world problems. The things that these feminists are dissatisfied with are so incredibly minor in the grand scheme of things, that I just can't take them seriously. There are people, women and men alike around the world fighting to have just even a fraction of what these women are so privileged to have.
I hope you didn't miss the part where I said I couldn't agree more. I also agree that the "problems" these Swedish feminists brought up in the debate were incredibly petty, especially compared to the real problems of women in e.g. the Middle East. The only reason I mentioned her name was that others reading this would not be in doubt who you were referring to. It's important that we start debunking the nonsense of these lunatics on a massive scale regardless where we live because we now live in a more globalized society than ever before and noticing their names facilitates that.
Aw the US, where women get at least half of the wealth of their husband and guaranteed to get full custody of the kids after divorcing their husband. Please stop, America and Canada is much worse than Sweden.
Lone Frank: "Woman have been oppressed for 200.000 years". Actually there is a lot that suggest that before the introduction of agriculture, societies were very egalitarian.
Also in the code of Hammurabi women's rights were protected, while 400 years before so, women in Assyria were gravely humiliated when they did not dress properly.
Holy Christ on a Popsicle stick. I've heard that things were bad in Sweden, but I always thought it was exaggerations. After watching this I feel like I went to the bloody Twilight Zone. There are a few thing I found very interesting - like whenever the other side spoke of humanism, egalitarianism, and individuality the feminist side looked almost baffled, as if the group think is so dominant they have forgotten what those words even mean. Also, when they speak of equality they admit there are no laws that are not equal, but then have to try to deflect the issue with random numbers that have nothing to do with the actual issue. And I couldn't help notice how utterly indifferent they were when they were told - and acknowledged - that men were losing in this society, proving to me just how discriminatory their whole ideology actually is. But what I find perhaps more interesting and incredibly ironic is that the statistics and the surveys actually prove that feminism in Sweden is a complete failure. They have more rape, more sexism, and have with their policies furthering women in business managed the same amount of women in leadership positions as Denmark has without such policies. Epic fail! Now, I'm gonna get drunk!
Wow... Just so you all know, not all Swedes are like this. However, this was broadcasted on our state television, which claim to be politically neutral but is in fact the opposite, as you can see.
Sort of. The Danes have low-pitched "dips" while the Swedes have high-pitched. Danes are a little more deep and monotone, while Swedes have a twang. There are more differences I can detect, but I can't name. It's subtle.
Wow....The Swedish "feminists" actually got demolished in this debate.
I totally agree, which is exactly why I decided to upload the video. It's time to show the world how to destroy the radical feminist pseudo-arguments in a calm and rational manner.
I think it was pretty even, with both sides having good points. I *really* disliked the Swedish woman in the middle of the front row, though. She rambled and spoke to people extremely condescendingly.
What I think was the most glaring thing, though, was that several on the Danish side agreed that there was inequality, but did not agree that the state should intervene in any way, and instead let things change in its own pace through culture (be it corporate culture or other).
So most did not disagree with the cause itself, just with the implementation.
One can say that most Swedish feminists are extremists in their attempts of implementation to enact change, and maybe it won't change things any faster, but both sides seemed to agree that change was good and will come eventually.
There were lots of facts and numbers of statistics from Sweden's side, and mostly arguments of passion and personal freedom from the Danish side. But I don't think the Danish side was so wrong in many of the points. They are correct that people should have personal freedom to make their own decisions.
"There were lots of facts and numbers of statistics from Sweden's side..."
The problem is that most of these "facts and numbers" are nothing more than feminist propaganda. A quick rundown of some of the Swedish points made in the debate will demonstrate what I mean.
- "Men as a group are valued higher than women" (Veronica Palm). No they're not. Men earn more on average, mainly because they tend to work more than women and in higher paying jobs. It's illegal to discriminate based on gender in both Denmark and Sweden when it comes to wages.
- "We are cultural beings and you are on the wrong side of history [to David Eberhard]." (Linnea Bruno). Of course we are, but we are also biological beings at the same time and these feminists seem to completely dismiss that fact, because it has been used against women historically.
- "An EU study came out last year were Denmark is at the top when it comes to men's violence against women." (Linnea Bruno). That is what the study says, yes, but that says more about the lacking validity of the study than it says about Denmark. To claim that 52% of Danish women have been subjected to physical and/or sexual violence since the age of 15 is simply ridiculous, unless you widen the definition of (sexual) violence so much that it effectively becomes meaningless. The overwhelming majority of women feel very safe and secure in Denmark and have not experienced anything of the sort. Of all the Danish women I know personally, and I know quite a few, only two have experienced anything like that. I realize that's anecdotal evidence, but if violence against women was such a common occurrence here, then why is it not on everybody's lips all the time? Why don't we constantly hear politicians say that something must be done about this epidemic of violence? Why isn't there a constant outcry in the media about it? Because it's a lie. Plain and simple. As Leny Malacinsky correctly pointed out, by crying wolf and claiming that almost everything is violence against women, we're doing a huge disservice to women who have actually experienced serious violations, so let's stop doing that and actually help the real victims.
- "One Macbook each month for 30 years for all men." (Sonja Schwarzenberger, the one you really disliked in the front row). Again, the wage gap myth is being perpetuated, even though it has been debunked a countless number of times by renowned economists, and even though she admits to Leny Malacinsky that women earn less due to part-time work etc. She also seems to imply that men are stealing from women. Both, of course, is absolutely ludicrous.
I could go on and on pointing out the inconsistencies and inaccuracies of the Swedish feminists' "facts and numbers", but this will do for now. Hopefully, you no longer think that their arguments were more fact-based than those of the Danes, because they really weren't. Moreover, whenever the Swedish psychologist David Eberhard and the Danish neuroscientist Lone Frank tried to introduce biological facts into the debate, the were either dismissed or ignored, because hardcore scientific facts flat out contradict the preposterous claims of these feminist ideologues.
alla svenska feminister är drug addicts så inte konstigt
My point, Ideator, was that in this debate, they were even. What you're doing is saying that Denmark won because of what you know and believe, and in that case Denmark might have won, because you know the counter-arguments to what the Swedish feminists said.
But that doesn't change the fact that in this particular debate, the feminists said statistics, the anti-feminists talked about passion and free will. The anti-feminists even acknowledged that men should stay home more, that there are more women being beaten, and that there is, in part, a lack of discussion in Denmark.
They didn't really refute the numbers from the feminists either (except saying that pulling peoples' hair shouldn't count as abuse).
Please pay attention to the difference here, I'm only talking about the arguments brought forth by the two different camps, and not what you or me might think personally based on what we have read.
It's possible to take parts from both sides. Don't need to 100% debunk everything because of a label or a disagreement of some parts, which the anti-feminists didn't fully do, hence why I have trouble seeing it as a "demolition". If you do, then you're not being objective about what was said.
On a personal level you might think what the feminists said was complete bullshit, but the debate itself, between the two camps, did not reflect that.
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Personally, I don't know what the reason is for women being in less paid jobs, but I kinda have trouble thinking it's in women's nature to not want higher paying jobs or have a career.
Women could not own business or land, or vote just a few single generations ago, always stayed home and raised children, are still expected to raise children, and were regarded as pretty much slaves not that long ago in a historical perspective. Of course that's not the case anymore, it's pretty much equal ground now.
But I'd be surprised if it didn't leave traces in a societal structure. Current examples like men being afraid to ask their boss for parental leave, or women not feeling like they can honestly demand things when talking salaries with their boss after they've been home with a baby for 8 months, men hiring men out of familiarity, et cetera. There's about 18 years of society steering one's actions before you go out and get a job. A person is not secluded from small but prolonged outside influences.
That doesn't mean I think we should put any laws in place; just that there are some things that need time to change (as both sides agreed). Maybe it can be done quicker, maybe it can't. Maybe some things are experimental, maybe some are stupid, maybe some changes work, maybe some don't need to work?
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As a side note, I am sure the psychologist and neuroscientist are correct in a vast majority of things. Men and women are different. But I have huge problems with them trying to state facts about human behavior when we know so little about how peoples' minds actually work, or we'd at least be somewhere close to knowing how to solve, for example, depression or why depravity occurs. It's impossible to get real empirical evidence for either direction of the argument, since you can never get a sterile environment with enough test subjects, and no outside societal influences.
Besides, the psychologist said that it was hurtful for a boy to be raised as a girl when he was never supposed to be a girl (unlike maybe transgender-born people with maybe ambiguous genitalia), and I fully agree with that. But what I think the woman was talking about was not raising the child as the other sex or no sex, but to just not assume that a girl wants an Elsa doll, and instead just show the toy isle, or ask if she wants to dance or do kickboxing, without caring what gender the child is. That's a very different thing. But I agree that anything else could be hurtful.
There is absolutely no way that a psychologist can, for example, know how a whole society would act if they started using a gender-neutral pronoun when suitable. There simply is not. It might be bad, it might be good, but what I know is that nobody knows the outcome. But it's just a linguistic difference. Japanese can be used with completely gender-neutral pronouns, and when I use it I think it makes referring to things easier. Not long ago you weren't even really allowed to say "you" in Sweden, you said "Mr. Bankman". I'm glad that linguistic feature was removed.
Also, I've never heard anyone advocate for the removal of "he" or "she" or banning its usage in any way; it's just about introducing the option of saying the informal "hen" instead of the formal/rude "that person" when appropriate.
Norwegians and danes think alike. Sweden is a freak show.
a fuck, forgot about that. We are still way closer to Denmark then Sweden.
gender quotas are given to both men and women. it states that it should be minimum 40% of both genders in the boardroom. so if something is women dominated, quotas are given to men and vise versa.
+Timestamp
I guess that kind of 'equal' then... Still kind of weird though.
Still really dumb. Some men risk loosing opportunities they might be better at than other by the fact that they are men. The other way around for women.
But they have cheep candy in Sweden.
i wish we were still Danmark-Norge.
I find it funny that Denmark has won every single debate with sweden. The danes won this debate by a long shot
This show is very nationalist and biased
@@ilcanaledinicola60 You're biased
@@pyrrosdimas5798 sas
@@pyrrosdimas5798 im not biased
But Sweden has cultural enrichment
A lot of the Swedish debaters came off as very arrogant
Especially the woman in the purple jacket.
They are.
Thankfully, people are catching on to the fact that the majority of feminists are suffering from some kind of shared personality disorder. The woman in the purple jacket, as well as the first female speaker, both being fine examples.
The only people coming of as arrogant were the Danish.
+Lacke not really
Yea the way they spoke and there body language screamed arrogance.
when you're swedish but have to agree with a dane
Must hurt your soul a little right? :P
rejoice ; it means your still sane and care for your balls
@zxcnjfrsfg The Red pill doesn't tell you anything about feminism
@zxcnjfrsfg No it doesn't, the red pill teaches men how to manipulate and rape women (overcoming last minute resistance). You have a point but your head is in the wrong alley. I'm all for egalitarianism which is what feminism is about(atleast it's supposed to be), you and like many are confusing feminism for radical feminism. I have donated to men's liberation which is a male group that supports mens and women's rights. Rest assure, I will do my part and fighting against radical feminism.
I’m Swedish too and I agree with the dane
The host should've been a norwegian
That would have been sick confusing.
Nah, we understand each other to a point where it wouldn't have been a problem.
And the, Finnish ppl appear and make the whole communication freaking hard. :P
FEL DANSKARNA KAN JU INTE PRATA
Who won? ^^
That bald guy telling the Danish man that Danes arent pretty enough, the irony is deadly, I had to stand up for a second there.
It's also just such a bad argument
That just stupid, is that another Swede of mine
me and my mom watched this on live tv after the show we looked at eachother and said "we should move to Denmark".
i'm swedish btw
And me and my danish family looked at eachother and said ''damn... apply some ice to those swedish burns'' XD
You decided to move to Denmark, even though they showed there was more violence towards women?
They talked about that in the video. The study is highly flawed.
NordicNicklas yup
As a swede, I am ashamed
samma här
Ville jeg også være. hvis jeg var jer ;)
As you should be. At least >you< are normal. Shitty consolidation, I know.
Just give us a call, we're ready to take back the 3 southern regions if you want
instämmer
Please send Sweden to the middle east. It's scary to have these loonatics so close to Denmark!
+Chucky 86 im so sad to see our ancient brethren fall like this. i'm afraid there will be no valhal for sweden.
+Chucky 86 I agree! They could swim over here or use the bridge! Scary shit :s
I'm from Finland and I feel the same way :D
+Joku Sälli You guys are even worse of than us we atleast have a natural barrier between us and sweden, you dont really have the same.
TheLanracer We should probably build a giant wall and make Sweden pay for it! :D
Why are the Swedish people so aggressive and disrespectful. Why can’t they talk calmly and nicely like the Danes?
Because facts didn't care about their feelings
I agree with you 100% im from Sweden and every feminist I talk to is exactly like this. I just want to say there is many Swedes that 100% agree with the Danish man like myself and I know many of my friends are the same.
Sonja? (the woman in purple) was incredibly disrespecful, patronizing and interrupted all the time. She talked down to people as if they were children, in an attempt to establish her own intellectual superiority, almost as if compensating for something.
Fittingly, she was wrong every time she opened her mouth. What an insufferable person. Calling the conclusion to an incorrectly analyzed collection of statistics "facts" when it is demonstably not true or representative of anything remotely useful in a debate about the role of genders influence on wages is just fucking insulting. Why was she even there? She contributed nothing and only ended up pissing everybody off.
+Hello this is horse Her name is Sonja Schwarzenberger and she is a Swedish journalist and feminist (in case you didn't know ;-). I agree that she was incredibly condescending and interrupted like a mother trying to correct little children of their misconceptions. Needless to say, that's not a very constructive way to discuss these matters, but unfortunately it's not that uncommon in these sorts of debates. Just look at Kate Smurthwaite from England in this debate: th-cam.com/video/WdbAxDdtMZs/w-d-xo.html
(If you don't know her, she has dark brown hair, ponytail hairstyle and wears a red vest in this video).
+Hello this is horse
Excellent link, thanks. I couldn't agree more that this sort of "debating" is both funny and frustrating to watch. Below is a link to Sargon of Akkad's hilarious response to that particular debate. Notice in particular his comments on Kate's untimely remarks and constant interruptions (app. 7m, 30s in). I strongly recommend you check out his channel, if you haven't already. His commentary is both funny and informational. th-cam.com/video/w1sxoQ0XoKM/w-d-xo.html
+Ideator a lot Swedish journalists promoting feminism. No wonder Sweden is going to hell.
+tsjoencinema
Sadly, a lot of feminist journalists blatantly promote their ideology through misrepresentations in the news media and in debates such as this, not just in Sweden. This happens in Denmark as well, albeit to a lesser degree than in Sweden.For instance, fairly recently, an article was published in a Danish newspaper stating that only 1 in 60 rapes in Denmark leads to criminal conviction, as if Denmark had suddenly turned into Congo. Needless to say, the journalists had a clear feminist agenda and did an extremely poor job of interpreting the results of the survey in question, but factual scientific language does not sell, sensationalism does.
www.mx.dk/nyheder/danmark/story/22632243
The danger is that politicians tend to listen to such rubbish and make new policies based on it, so I'm afraid we're all going to hell if we don't stand up to this madness, because it's not going away by itself and it's starting to affect us all on a massive scale.
+Ideator
To be fair to the rest of the Danish media, although they do certainly mess up at times and fall into the fear-mongering trap, that article is from MetroExpressen. The "newspaper" is basically the Danish version of buzzfeed, posting nothing but clickbait, gossip and agenda-pushing. Occasionally they copy-paste some real news :^)
The comment section is just roasting the shit out of Sweden.
That Kid in Africa Rightfully so. I have to live with this shit everyday. Hope it changes this year (election year).
My impression is that even among the feminists the difference in attitude was striking. The Danish feminists seemed reasonable and made some decent points while the Swedish feminists were unnecessarily aggressive, dodged questions and made arguments that were rife with fallacies.
The Danish feminist weren't feminists (most of them) that's the point, they were egalitarians. Or simply non feminist.
Yes, the egalitarians/humanists (or whatever they identify as) were very reasonable. But I was talking specifically about the Danish feminists, which were Emma Holten and Pia Olsen Dyhr (who got understandably upset at the bald Swedish prick for being so condescending towards the Danish) if I'm not mistaken. My point was that among these feminists, the Swedish ones stuck out in a negative way.
And they also interrupted their opponents as if their lives depend on it.
A completely unwatchable debate, the Swedish host and the feminist debaters can't stop interrupting the opposing arguments. Interruption after interruption after interruption, always mid-sentence, nobody has time to actually finish their points, rendering the debate meaningless.
typical feminazi's and social democrats - if they cant win, they just start screaming
That goes for all social democrats, feminist and muslim.
If theyre wrong they scream, interrupt and acting like 14 year old teenagers .
we see this all over the world - trump, brexit and several times in denmark :)
Long live Denmark!
Denmark is more sexist than sweden
@@ilcanaledinicola60 No. Sweden is more sexist than Danmark. Sweden only think about women and forget about men.
@@ilcanaledinicola60 Well, we aren't a feminist dictatorship like Sweden😝
I like how well structured this was.
Barely any interruptions at all.
Thumbs up from me for that one :) lol
+Ideator where are you from?
Denmark
DR TV is commercial free.
Ideator thans for replying. Denmark is a great nation. Cheers from the other side of öresund
Danish people are much more down to earth and logical....... I wish we had more of those people who identify as egalitarian rather than feminist.
False danish people hate immigrants and more isolationist
And the suicidal sweden is a invented by evil media
Sweden is not a suicidal country
Il Canale di Nicola, You're either bat shit crazy or just plain ignorant. Either way you're completely wrong. Denmark has always been way more connected to the rest of Europe due to its located than Sweden has, Denmark always had a lot of interactions with the Germans, the Dutch etc. while Sweden was way more "isolated" up there.
And Denmark being isolationist is a pretty fucking moronic claim when they're part of The Nordic Council, EU, UN, NATO etc. They're a member of pretty much every organization available to them, how the fuck is that isolationist? Do you even know what the word means?
Sweden is the country wanting to remain outside of certain international organizations (NATO for example), because they want to remain "neutral" and not get involved.
Hate immigrants? Right, the country that has had way more immigration than Sweden throughout its history, up until Sweden went full retard a few years ago? Immigration has always been a thing in Denmark due to its geographic location and interaction with the rest of Europe. If you read about Danish history you'll see quite a few Germans, Dutchies etc. taking part in it for example, Sweden was way more homogeneous than Denmark up until recently.
Denmark "hates" immigrants who only come to the country to take advantage of its welfare, to commit crime, to beg etc. like any sane country should. There are plenty of EU citizens, Americans, Asians etc. doing perfectly fine in Denmark and no one sane hates them at all, why would they?
I don't think Sweden is suicidal either, their priorities are just fucked up and they're walking down a horrible road that'll only lead to disaster. It's not that they're actively trying to "die" I think, but that they're too concerned with being the "humanitarian superpower" and not with doing what's best for their country. Nothing has improved for Sweden by letting all of those immigrants in, quite the opposite.
@@gnawershreth excellent points 🔥👍
@@ilcanaledinicola60 right…. Which is why there’s 10000% more people disagreeing with you than agreeing
Thats not true sweden sound happy and better heartet.
It's funny that the woman at the start of the debate claims to know how things are in Denmark when she doesn't!
Also, she isn't even listening to what he tells her and are placing words in his mouth, as if she's tring to make him say what she wants him to say so she can "win" LOL!
And what's with that angry bald nutjob who had to insult Denmark? Seriously!
Lmao just watched that part
+UltimateToby 17 which part is that?
SpirusOfH angr bald nutjob
haha, thanks youtube community.
+Coldfusionstorm Gaming You can tell he's unintelligent just by looking at him. It's quite humorous.
lol these people make Saudi Arabia look normal
The swedes?
Lol true! XD
I'm a Swede and I agree, Saudi Arabia, however much I like it for being an oppressive nation, is starting to look like a nice place to move.
Look up 'saudi + airbus' and then return here.
hahaha
The Swedish host was very bad and biased. she shut up the Anti feminist and Danes. She seems to only want the feminists to speak. It really bothered me that she shut up the good arguments halfway through, which indicates a bias.
I'm ashamed of my country, ashamed of my people, luckly there is still a good bunch of men and women that hasn't lost thier braincells
- A Swede who believes in equality, not in feminism
dont worry mate, if all goes to shit you can migrate to denmark
You are an egalitarian my friend.
John Villaruz more of a conservative but I like equality a lot
You do know that feminism is about equality, and not women having more power than men??
Sofia Clausen In definition yes, in practice no. Our laws never limits women and that is what shows you that our country already has gender equality. Basically some people are just crying about something that has become man-hating. There is a reason why right-wing parties are becoming more popular and that is because people realize that they are right.
No pun intended xD
"you are the worst in europe for men vs women violence )-sweden to denmark. my response (extreme burst of laughter)
The whole point of 1st and second wave feminism was equality, if someone wanted to be something that was outside your gender, ie a woman wanting to be an engineer, or a man wanting to run a day care centre (both important positions in society) they wouldn't be stopped solely by their gender, Sweden is trying to erase what is essentially biology
@@darkfoxjj false sweden is the not rape capital but the country were women they easily report rapes more than other countries
@@ilcanaledinicola60 Hvem prøver du å lure, svensker? Løgn, jenter blir voldtatt av ulendinger hver eneste dag i Sverige.
@@hypphypp because they planed it to blame it on ’foreingers’ and give them bad name because they 1.racist 2. dont want foreingers and more foreingers come to their country. So they find other ways to push them. Thats it.. nothing else. Your smart but not smart enough.
Haha as a Swedish woman, I have to say Jan was amazing, probably ruffled a few feminist feathers when this happened:
Veronica Palm (interrupting Jan): Men are more prone to violence and abuse.
Jan: Probably because women interrupt.
Lol lol lol day fucking made 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Scandinavians are weird. Danes are way saner than Swedes though.
But of course
Nothing new there
We’re not weird, we’re different from other people on this earth.
In what way are thr Danes (also Scsndinavian) weird in this debate?
In what way are we weird?
the Danes are MILES ahead of the swedes with their insight into this situation. Mainly in their willingness to use biological arguments which the swedes avoid in favor of social constructionist ones.
This means that the Danes interact in a world of realities while the Swedes do so in a world of crazy, delusional, misguided, and ultimately suicidal ideals.
Please protect Denmark
+RyoonZ Wu Dont worry, we are doing a lot better than Sweden
+Jacob Nørregaard Leth Haha awesome
love Denmark
hope to visit it someday
+RyoonZ Wu We'd love to have you
+Er Du En Lille Kattemisser Lige så snart du siger du vil i krig mod muslimer bliver du kaldt en racist?! og hvorfor tror du?
Eddie 'JaggSauce' Gluskin Jeg ikke religiøs.
der er ikke noget racistisk ved at være imod islam, men hvis du vil i 'krig mod islam' så er du nødt til at kunne identificere muslimer. Hvordan har du tænkt dig at gøre det?
Reading all the comments here, gives me faith in humanity... Including the swedes!
:D
thankfully we're all not this fucking stupid (swede)
all not < not all
Videos like this always boost my Danish pride by 150%.
Damn, Denmark has people with actual rational and logic. And I thought all of Europe was fucked.
Haha, noo. Denmark is a safe heaven. We don't take shit from nobody. :)
No danes are closed minded and isolationist And racist
Europe has not fucked
Sweden really needs to get a grip on their own self flattery. What an unbelievably annoying little hobbit that bald Swedish guy lecturing Danish men all the time. Really pathetic.
I have lived in Denmark and they are the coolest people on earth and I am glad to see they are on the right side in this debate, although not surprised at all.
Maybe it's because I'm Danish but it came off to me like the Danish were on the side of reason and moderation and the Swedes were on the side of extremism and fear mongering in this debate.
And was I the only ones seeing the looks of disbelief on the Danes every time the camera panned to them while the Swedes were talking?
Also sounds like the Swedes feminists are stuck viewing the world that it was 20 years ago.
And Omg the amount of times the Swedish side in this debate interrupts the Danes whenever they are making a point.
nope sweden is off check this out you have time th-cam.com/video/mpRBfoQRdpY/w-d-xo.html debate with too smart swedes
There is no wage gap, it's an earnings gap. If you believe you should be paid the same as another without working for it you are, in essence, demanding to be paid more than the other person.
There may be more men than women who make millions... but there are also more men than women living in the streets with zero income.
Not "they" , but "hen" = he / she ( han / hon ) - a new genderless 3rd person singular pronoun
in the "Swedish" language.
Danes with their very similar language simply refuse to use such a silly nonsense word -
seeing it as Swedish PC'ness gone completely mad - once again ;-)
+Bjowolf2, it not as silly as you might think and stop saying 'Danes', we are not some homogeneous hive mind.
+Tattersail Yes, it is ;-) - stupid beyond belief.
Ok, most Danes then, who have not been PC brainwashed yet and are still able to think for themselves -
is that better?
Most people in DK by far could hardly believe what they were hearing from this halo polishing Swedish PC brigade during this debate - no real arguments, just constant interruptions and refusal to even listen,
because these people are so selfgood and infallible with their "correct" views.
It's like some sort of Swedish mass psychosis - or a real life version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers", if you like ( a famous US Sci Fi horror movie ). It was hilarious to watch them and their behaviour and their shock at someone actually daring to openly oppose their insane views regarding gender, which they are not at all used to in Sweden, where very few people dare to speak up against them
for real.
Just look at the way these idiots are interrupting everone else constantly, simply won't allow other opinions to exist and are busy patronising people who have the audacity to dare to express them in their presence - it's like some sort of fanatical religious cult.
The good thing is that fewer and fewer normal people - both women and men - are paying
any attention to this ignorant PC nonsense any longer. We are just amused big time by their pseudo scientific studies and arguments.
+Bjowolf2 I realise the Swedish gender neutral third person pronoun is "hen", but that would mean very little to a native English speaker, hence the word "they" which is the English equivalent term for that. As an aside, the equivalent Danish term is "høn" or "hæn", which nobody in Denmark uses either, although feminists tried to introduce it back in the 1970s.
Ideator
I see, but I was just trying to explain it in
more detail, so that the English speaking viewers may get some idea how stark raving mad and fanatical these PC people & extreme feminists really are ;-)
ROFL @ høn & hæn - I had completely forgotten about those. I guess most people here in DK simply thought they were joking ;-)
+Bjowolf2 It does sound wrong, doesn't it? :) Fortunately, the use of the gender neutral third person pronoun has been rejected by The Danish Language Committee: www.tjeksproget.dk/node/900
Wow, Sonja Schwarzenberger was so condescending and manipulative. She always spoke as if everything she said was absolute fact (although it absolutely was not), and tried to make herself look like the sensible one, by talking in that calm, condescending tone as if speaking to a child.
why isent she listen to what he says ?! he says that in denmark women and men get the same amount of money and work
De kunne godt bruge noget jantelov ovre på den anden side..
Jep. Utroligt hvor meget en lille jantelovs-cultur kan gøre underværker
De kunne helt klart bruge noget jantelov, de skide svenskere, men du, DKGaming4Life, kunne satme også godt bruge nogle engelsktimer. :D
Hold da kæft hvor er ham Joakim en kæmpe nar. Hvad laver han overhovedet der, han havde intet produktivt at sige.
Han er typen der prøver at tie folk med skældsord, når han ikke længere kan følge med i samtalen.
Var det et forsøg på engelsk eller?
If woman would earn less why would you want to hire a male
Already in the first debate, you can see how the feminist swede already refuse to think about the question Jan puts her in. she just repeats "can't you see it?". she doesn't really come up with any arguements.
If women were paid a lot less for the EXACT same work, why would anyone want to hire a man?
Eddie 'JaggSauce' Gluskin Ever heard of a rhetorical question?
Eddie 'JaggSauce' Gluskin I share your opinion dumbass..
Fredrik Carlén YOU HAVE ACTUALLY MADE THE MOST REALISTIC, LOGICAL AND UNCOMPLICATED STATEMENT THAT SETTLES THIS ARGUMENT. NOW A DAYS SPECIALLY IN FINANCIALLY TROUBLED TIMES MAJORITY OF WORKPLACES ARE TRYING TO CUT DOWN THEIR BUDGETS AND ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR CHEAPER LABOUR AND EMPLOYEES. SO HAVING AN WOMEN EMPLOYEE WHO IS EQUALLY QUALIFIED AS A MAN BUT GETS A LESSER WAGE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE A HUGE FINANCIAL ADVANTAGE FOR ANY EMPLOYER. SO YOU HAVE MADE A SOLID STATEMENT. MY HATS OF TO YOU👍
THIS ^^
Fredrik Carlén He's proving your point you fucking dunce.
Long Live the Danish!
I love how they talk about gender equality in Sweden and Denmark while I'm sitting here in Turkey where women get killed just because they want to divorce :'/
Mertkan Koca It breaks my heart too. The situation of the women and the girls in Turkey and how they usually are treated by the society and its norms...
It is nice to see these people discuss about how their nations and states can build a better world in which people are not discriminated because of their gender, in a civilised way -well, Swede ones are not that civilised but whatever-.
As a Turkish man, I do not like it to witness of this Islamist-fundamentalist transformation of Turkey which makes our country a worse place for our women to live in.
Yeah. It's a shame to see Turkey drift away from the western world.
That happens here in the US too. Three women are killed by their partners in the US every day, often because they attempted to leave the relationship.
Üzdün :(
Yeah and u know who started the debate.... SWEDEN. And that lead us to another debate. That Islam is bad for every domocracy
Jeg elsker Danmark! Och jag är Svensk
Jeg elsker Sverige! - bare ikke den svenske “leftwing” Og jeg er Dansk
feminisme= the art of being a professional victim.
@@FalconLover05 That's nonsense...
Men are 23 times more likely to die in their workplace because they do all sorts of dangerous jobs (usually outdoors) that almost no woman does. Have you ever heard feminists moaning about this "gap"? Please, give me some example.
Also give me some example of feminists promoting more women working as plumbers, electricians, bricklayers, etc. Those are all relatively well paid jobs.
And some examples of feminists concerned with violence against men (which society sees much more as "normal" than violence against women).
I can ask for some more examples because there are more issues that men have to face, but for now, this should be enough. Thanks.
Are we sure that Swedes were Vikings ?? How did Sweden transform into that hellhole
If by vikings you mean trading with the Russians then yes… the Danes were true vikings though conquering England
remember when the whole world said that Sweden was filed with hot women?
Funny that you only comment on women's looks, nothing sexist about that.
haha
LOL
Livetsflicka, Yeah, what a nasty guy he is for praising people's looks! Real monster right there...
What the fuck else would he comment about when he's talking about "Swedish women" as a group? It's hardly like he fucking knows them all personally so he can't really comment on all their individual personality traits, can he?
See how the Danish host is so more neutral and objective than the Swedish host. Thats a big problem in Sweden, theres really no debate.
I do agree that the Danish host was more neutral, however, I don't think the Swedish host was that far off.
Now I wanna move to Denmark (I live in Sweden)
That Danish man has my respect
It takes balls to go to a place surrounded by people who would do anything to interrupt you from making your point. He not only made his point but calmly dismantled this third wave feminism dichotomy of sorts
Kudos man, the world needs more people like you
Denmark, you're like a breath of fresh air.
I´m moving to Denmark!
After this debate, I think we all can agree on Sweden is a shitty place for everyone who isn't female, gay or transgender.
Not so sure if Sweden will stay all that great for the women or the LGBT crowd with their current immigration and integration issues. Islam isn't exactly know for being tolerant or to focus on equality.
sweden is insane, but denmark is quite clever doe. denmark is exactly what america needs when it comes to feminism issue. or other types of issues as well. bernie sanders was right on that, its definitely better than hillary's feminism
No the germans, swedes, dutchmen, brits are more clever
Il Canale di Nicola did you see the video smh🤦♂️
Jan E. Jørgensen: ''På trods af al den aggressivitet er i ikke nået længere end vi er'' Perfekt opsummering
Long live Denmark! Please remain sane! We need you! Greetings from Sweden.
I think it's insanely disrespectful, how the feminist keep interrupting everybody, who wants to argue on their point.
Sverige, ni här skott dig i foten.
Much sorrow, from Canada.
+novantha1 If that was an attempt at Swedish, it was a poor one, sorry ;) Anyway I know "we" really have shot ourselves in the foot.
Eddie 'JaggSauce' Gluskin Will do!
*loud fucking myself noises*
Actually, Sweden and Canada (and probably Norway as well) have the same system of cultural Marxism. When I hear the Swedes talk, it's the exact same model answers that you can hear out of the mouths of Canadians.
+Fabio Mirenzi Alex Jones much?
Sorry to say this but Canada is much worse.
God, Sonja is one awful human being..
As a swede, I suddenly have a strong and immediate impulse to flee to Denmark.
Danmark 🇩🇰❤️
I'm swedish and I've never been more ashamed of the people who represent my country. If I were to meet these people in real life I would teach them a thing or two!
.. and Denmark wins!
MrGentlebutfirm we always win against sweden!
What about Skåne?
Norway, Iceland, Finland and Denmark should build a wall around Sweden, so no one can get out... it's a Mental Sanitarium
Iceland is an island hundreds of kilometers beyond. Which kind of wall will they build around Sweden?
@@alejandrosotomartin9720 around Sweden tells you the answer? lol
@@miguels.b.2749 And making Sweden pay for it?
As a Swedish woman, I apologize. Sossejävel.
Dont apologize for the stupid you will be doing the whole day
I wonder if I'll ever see a debate where people let each other fucking finish speaking.
ya the guy that was no a fiminist got stoped each time he spoke to the point where he got angry. but most fiminist where allowed to talk all they wanted. did happen ones or twice they also got stoped.
But i agree. let them finish. omg.
I’m a Danish woman and I do not appreciate this form of feminism. Feminism is dead 💀. We should fight for more important issues. Thank you.
jesus christ sweden got demolished
I understand why Denmark hate us now...
- From a swedish guy
2:41 only a couple of minutes into the debate and her body is already rejecting the bullshit that she is spouting
2:30
"In Denmark we treat men and women equally"
* Feminist laughs like a complete loser *
I'm so glad Pia put Joakim in his place at the end... The feminist side was just way too condescending and if I had a debate where people talked to me in that way, I would have been pissed. But I agree with the Danish non-feminist mentality "we are equal in every aspect, but people as individuals make different choices in life"
Thank you for uploading this and spending time on making english lyrics.
The women in the very first segment, that claims that men earns more than women are refereing to the infamous "gender pay gap" *dun dun dun lighting*
What she fails to realize is that the study that proves the "wage gap" actually only managed to find 1 country without a gender pay gap (actually there is a gap, but it's in the favor of women, so who cares)... and that country is Denmark... the study showed that in Denmark, women earn 102 $ for each 100$ a man earns during their life span. (no matter job, education, or any factors at all)
The Swedish feminists argued ridiculously. Argued purely on emotion without bringing any stats or facts to back up their arguments. Ridiculous.
The only rational feminist was the young danish girl
I'm glad to be a Dane like holy shit....
tak for at have uploaded det her, det er guld værd.
You're welcome!
Ja, det er det. Bare der ville komme flere sådanne udsendelser.👍
“Maybe it’s because women interrupt”
Danish guy really nailed it with this line! :D
I love denmark
In any political or social discussion between Denmark and Sweden, Denmark is always right until proven otherwise.
The problem with feminism, is that, contrary to what these activists claim, they do not support gender equality, however what they do support is female rights. Fundamentally, this idea is so incorrect, due to the fact that you cannot claim rights for one single people group, we already experienced the horrific events that take place under such conditions far back in time with racism aswell as division of political or religious beliefs. Gender should be treated equally, not by specifically picking out rights for one single group of people, that is against the important aspects of freedom and equality. Equality means "same for everyone".
I can see how feminists argue that social structures and norms creates certain idealistic views upon the female gender, and of course, that is not fair at all. Females are expected to be innocent, beautiful and VICTIMS. If you see how these feministic activists react and argue in this debate, they show direct parallels to this exact norm that they're in fact speaking against?! They're whining and attacking the other individuals in this debate, and downright talks down to them. Its ridicilous, they are acting against their own morals.
Most importantly, everyone has to remember, no matter how you twist or look at things, that we all have a fundamental biological brain, and gender is a very huge part of that, its a part of nature and our ability to survive. A male brain works more aggressive, logical aswell as having the ability to lead and make fast decisions. This does NOT mean that women are not able to do this, but the female brain works directly opposite of this. The female brain is sensitive, caring, nurturing and analytical, and when you combine these two brains together, you create what is keeping us alive at this very moment? We need women, and we need men, they serve different purposes and have advantages on both sides. Its the laws of nature.
They wonder why women will be called "whores" or "sluts" for being sexually active, which is actually something that lies deep in our nature. Women are supposed to choose the strongest man, and the strongest genes for their children, and that is not every man they meet. Women are made to have a choice, and to reject those who doesn't seem as a strong partner. Its just simple facts. Men are made to reach out and find as many mates as possible, to spread genes as much as possible so that his genes gets progressed and brought further on. Men just desire those women who seem to be the healthiest and go for them first, because they give the highest opportunity to nurture their children properly and succeed the pregnancy. Its nature people, just deal with it, men are not stronger than women, we work differently, men are better at some things than women, and women are better at some things than men. However, i'm not saying that this means that women shouldn't have the right to be sexually promiscous, they can do whatever they want, we live in a free society, but people should respect the fundamental laws of nature that we so much depended on. Its survival. By taking on that identity, you literally ask for criticism, because its just not how its supposed to be, but if that floats your boat, then go ahead. I'm just stating facts.
TL;DR The problem with feminism, is feminism.
You're spot on, but it is so frustrating that alot of feminists today just cant accept basic laws of nature. Trying to force things that naturally goes against our biology does more harm than good and it wont make anything more equal just because we seem to be more alike. We are different and it is something we have to accept and work with, now that doesn't say we shouldn't have the same opportunities to choose to do whatever we want it just means that we should be aware of those generalized differences that exists between us.
Nah you are wrong. You just lied and made assumptions without backing it up. There is no science to back up men been more logical or aggressive, you just made that up and then stated it like it was a fact. As for your comment on equality, equality is way more complicated than you can ever grasp. I don't see much point in explaining it to you as you have such a blatant disregard for such things as facts and science.
garnier5entropy "There is no science to back up..." OOOOOOH but there is, a lot in fact.
"There is no science to back up men been more logical or aggressive,..."
I suggest you actually enact the labor of reading up on science rather than making such inane and ignorant statements in the future. A small primer from Wikipedia:
"On average, in adult males, levels of testosterone are about 7-8 times as great as in adult females."
[...]
"Testosterone is significantly correlated with aggression and competitive behaviour and is directly facilitated by the latter."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone#Aggression_and_criminality
I'm Italian, and I moved in Sweden in the summer of 2015, and I'll leave Sweden as soon as I can!
At 38:20 a man said: "If the men feel only your benefit from this, then they become angry and frustrated and than you're lost them!"
Too late! They've already lost their men!
I read that more than half of Swedish children actually born from a couple where one of the parents is a foreigner!!!
The Swedes in that are all women, the only Swedish man is such an unmannery and arrogant person!!! If this is their "model" of Sedish man, well... maybe the "patriarchy" is not that bad!
I would like to know what all those Swedish women studied... I'm wondering if some of them studied engineering or stuffs like that!
I would like also to know why if their point of view is so strong, they banned documentaries, as the Norvegian "brainwashed" which caused the shut down of founds of the feminist studies institute by Nordic Council of Ministres. Feminist talk ignoring facts like genetic and hormones that effect the behavior of babies even before the birth!!!
I have another reason, after Lego, to love Danemark! :D
We need your clever mind in Denmark, come and settle here...Copenhagen is wonderful
Yeah Come over any time dude. We can always use more guys like you around here.
Thanks for English subtitles. I am verry happy that in Northern Europe still living normal people like in Denmark.
You're welcome and thanks :)
"Det kan også være at det skyldes at kvinder afbryder"
o shit
"OH IM ALSO A FUCKING VEGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!! NOTICE THAT IM ALSO A VEGAN FEMINIST!"
xD Jesus christ these people are nuts
+Titanius Reaper OH SEXISM!! PATRIACHY!! XD NUTS!
TL;DR: Feelz vs. Realz.
One side is all based on feelings and theory.
The other side based in facts and neutral studies (as in, studies not made on the basis of backing up a certain oppinion)
It's interesting to look at how the different sides of the debate reacts.
On side clearly prefere tactics such as interupting, or the silent eye rolling or condecending smirk.
This made me proud of being danish
People might say Danish is an ugly language, but honestly, the swedish pronounciations sound ugly to me too, it’s also like throwing up, not a pleasant sounding language
2:40 Complete fabrication/lie, men are several times more likely to be the victims of violence.
When watching and listening the debate from another Nordic country, Finland, between the Danish and Swedes I have to say that the majority of Finnish people agree with the danish point-of-view. What comes to gender, it's biological and it can't be chosen otherwise. What is you identity, man/woman/other is for you to decide. E.g gender isn't a social construct.
One can mock us as inexpressive but we then to favour facts over feeling (unlike our neighbours on the western side of the border do).
When it comes to education about whether there should be gender neutral daycares and schools I fail to find a reasoning behind this. Our school system is among the best of the world and we do feel pride over it. Hence, it's not gender neutral, feminist etc. it's equal. Girls are allowed call boys as boys, and boys are allowed to call girls as girls.
Now, one of the main points on the feminist side/mostly Swedish side was that using "hen" instead of "han" or "hon" would increase gender equality. In Finnish language there is no "hon" or "han" to describe pronounces between sexes. There is only "hän" which is used from both sexes. However, I dare to say, this has not made Finland any more gender neutral or equal than it's Nordic neighbours.
"Hän/hen" ska spela med barbie-doll and "Hän/hen" ska spela med bil. Det pronominet gör absolut ingen skillnad mellan människa. By only changing words you do not succeed in blurring the genders. Women in Finland are just as womanly and men are just as manly despite the lack of gender pronounce between the sexes.
in families with children, in Finland, the one that earns more can stay home with the child. Sometimes the so called "bread earner" is the wife/mother and the man stays home, but we've understood that if mother want's to stay at home with the newly born instead of the father they have to have a right to do so.
Also, what comes to women's careers and the wage gap. In Finland, the private sector companies just do not afford to hire a less skilled man over the woman candidate just due to his gender. Corporations also know that if they are not able to come into an agreement with the woman employee and she chooses to switch the employer you're stuck with the less able man. In a nutshell, gender does not determine your abilities and productivity. Companies choose the one who's more productive than the other every time and gender has nothing to do with it. I'm pretty sure that the shareholders in other Nordic countries are just as motivated to enhance their economic well-being than the Finnish ones.
All in all, Finnish point-of-view is more or less the same than the Danish one. (During the debate we like to receive ad hominem attacks - spewed by the Swedish counterparts in this debate - because it shows us we're winning the debate.)
I wonder if swedes actually think the same way but it;s become a kind of heresy in Sweden so no one goes there.
Interesting.
I think Sweden should give back skåne halland as an apology
I'm French. I'm following what's going on in America and the UK and stuff about Social Justice and feminism. I'm a great fan of Hoff Summers, Dawkins, Hitchens, Shapiro etc. I also know that, apart from the immigration problems, Sweden is a hell of a place when it comes to being overly Politically correct. But watching this debate actually scared me. Those women are so snake-like, so pissed, so arrogant, angry, playing the victim card. I'm really afraid for our culture as a whole. And I'm also sure all of these feminists think that Islam is a religion of "Peace and love".
That is exactly why I uploaded the video to TH-cam. We should be scared of this, because it's an advocacy of all sorts of politically correct (pc) insanity, and I think the Danes in the debate did a very decent job of debunking this insanity in a calm and rational manner. Rational people everywhere in the Western world need to stand up and fight the pc insanity, otherwise our cultures are indeed doomed!
Thanks for your excellent post.
As an American woman, I straight up laughed at that blonde woman with the bright red lipstick who said 17 women a year experience violence from men in Sweden and 10 percent don't feel safe going out at night. I was like that's all? The Nordic countries are about as good as it's going to get in regards to true gender equality, and they still feel like they have something to complain about? The U.S. has a long way to go in regards to gender equality, but we still fare better than most places.
Her name is Linda Nordlund (Swedish liberal feminist) and what she ,said was that 17 Swedish women are beaten to death each year by their partners, but still I couldn't agree more. 17 deaths from partner violence per year is 17 too much, but out of a population of close to 9 million you have to expect some rotten apples in the barrel, and no policy is going to change that unless you lock up the entire population (or maybe just all the men?) or give them all a lobotomy or something. Which option is more cruel?
I honestly don't care who she is, all I know is that she speaks from a place of extreme privilege, but then again where she lives has facilitated her thinking so she can't really be blamed for it. The Nordic countries have gender equality to such a high degree, that they seem to have lost touch with actual real world problems. The things that these feminists are dissatisfied with are so incredibly minor in the grand scheme of things, that I just can't take them seriously. There are people, women and men alike around the world fighting to have just even a fraction of what these women are so privileged to have.
I hope you didn't miss the part where I said I couldn't agree more. I also agree that the "problems" these Swedish feminists brought up in the debate were incredibly petty, especially compared to the real problems of women in e.g. the Middle East. The only reason I mentioned her name was that others reading this would not be in doubt who you were referring to. It's important that we start debunking the nonsense of these lunatics on a massive scale regardless where we live because we now live in a more globalized society than ever before and noticing their names facilitates that.
Aw the US, where women get at least half of the wealth of their husband and guaranteed to get full custody of the kids after divorcing their husband. Please stop, America and Canada is much worse than Sweden.
The danish girl on the Swedish side, should be ashamed. You traitor!👍🏻🇩🇰---👎🏻🇸🇪
That's it im moving to some of our scandinavian neighbors. Sweden is so politicly correct. I'm no longer a proud swede... help us Denmark and Norway
Du skal være velkommen 😅🤗
Lone Frank: "Woman have been oppressed for 200.000 years". Actually there is a lot that suggest that before the introduction of agriculture, societies were very egalitarian.
Also in the code of Hammurabi women's rights were protected, while 400 years before so, women in Assyria were gravely humiliated when they did not dress properly.
The most cringiest moment, was when the swedish feminist tried to imitate the danish language
Holy Christ on a Popsicle stick. I've heard that things were bad in Sweden, but I always thought it was exaggerations.
After watching this I feel like I went to the bloody Twilight Zone.
There are a few thing I found very interesting - like whenever the other side spoke of humanism, egalitarianism, and individuality the feminist side looked almost baffled, as if the group think is so dominant they have forgotten what those words even mean.
Also, when they speak of equality they admit there are no laws that are not equal, but then have to try to deflect the issue with random numbers that have nothing to do with the actual issue.
And I couldn't help notice how utterly indifferent they were when they were told - and acknowledged - that men were losing in this society, proving to me just how discriminatory their whole ideology actually is.
But what I find perhaps more interesting and incredibly ironic is that the statistics and the surveys actually prove that feminism in Sweden is a complete failure.
They have more rape, more sexism, and have with their policies furthering women in business managed the same amount of women in leadership positions as Denmark has without such policies.
Epic fail!
Now, I'm gonna get drunk!
Wow... Just so you all know, not all Swedes are like this. However, this was broadcasted on our state television, which claim to be politically neutral but is in fact the opposite, as you can see.
Every time i hear about the wage gap:
If it was possible to hire women at a lower wage than men, why would i hire any men at all?
unrelated question.. english speakers, can u hear when they are talking danish and swedish? like, distinguish between them?
Sort of. The Danes have low-pitched "dips" while the Swedes have high-pitched. Danes are a little more deep and monotone, while Swedes have a twang. There are more differences I can detect, but I can't name. It's subtle.