Ultimate Mizuno Irons Comparison | MP-20 & JPX 921 | Which Mizuno Iron Should You Play?
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- This Mizuno irons comparison features a test of the last two generations of Mizuno irons, the MP-20 and the JPX 921, which includes a total of seven models: MP-20 Blade, MP-20 MMC, MP-20 HMB, JPX 921 Hot Metal, JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro, JPX 921 Forged, and JPX 921 Tour.
2nd Swing's Drew Mahowald and master fitter Thomas Campbell test all seven Mizuno irons using Trackman and break down the differences in looks, feel, and performance.
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Great video guys. Very informative, some of the best videos out there.
Thank you for watching!!
An extremely comprehensive video, probably the best club review video I’ve ever seen! And I’ve seen all the big/popular TH-cam reviewers.
Love my JPX 921 HMP’s from 2nd swing!
Nice review.
MP 20 HMB is the most interesting one.
Excellent test! This should be super helpful for viewers. It's impressive seeing these clubs line up as intended, credit to Mizuno and tester Thomas.
Btw, these results match up with my personal testing of HMB, Forged, Tour. Loving my HMB purchase six months on, super consistent distances.
Super excited to watch this one, thank you!
Great comparison! I am rocking a MMC/MP20 MB combo set and they do exactly what you've shown
Thanks for watching!
Your tests are getting more and more in-depth. Thank you. Can you comment on softness of new chromoly forged vs hmb and hmp? Keep up the good work.
You guys are awesome. Thanks for uploading this video, it was very informative. I would like to get fitted sometime before the next season with one of these 921 irons.
Thanks for the kind feedback! JPX 921 are excellent
Fantastic video guys. Nice work.
Great job boys this helps a lot I’m a mizuno guy and was stuck on what I wanted to get next so thank u
Hey y’all. PGA professional here. I have been out of the game for the last 6 years just teaching here and there. I’ve been trying my luck working a 9-5 out of golf. This year I was lucky enough to land a part time gig fitting clubs for Mizuno. I haven’t kept a close eye on the product until now and I must say, this type information has been very valuable to me. Thank you
That is great to hear! Congrats on your new position! Thank you for watching!
I am in the market for a new set of irons. I am doing my homework. My Cleveland CG's are very tired. I want to say as a reveiw producer and mid handicap golfer, 2ndswing analysis are the best on the Web. Thank you
Love the review...seems you all covered all the bases for Mizuno...Thanks...
Thank you for watching!
Hi guys, It's been awhile but another job well done! I want to try the 921 forged and the hmb..
Great test. Play blades (at the moment MP18) for several years because of the same reason....consistency, knowing what to expect, no surprises and of course the very soft feel and feedback and easy to work the ball. Ordered the JPX 921 Tours because they have the stability frame and for me it showed a little more forgiveness on slight toe misses, with still a great small look, soft feel (though not as buttery as the MP) , workability etc. Keep both sets because the MP18 are with a graphite shaft because of my occasional joint pain but like the feel of light steel shafts better. So keep the MP18 s as backup for the periods were my joints give problems👍🏽
I would pick the MP-20-HMB - I love that it is foregiving, has medium to high spin, compact head shape an just a superb feel! I game the PING i500 with Nippon Modus 3 Tour shaft, and it is camparable, just an awesome set of clubs!
This is a great level of detail.
Awesome video guys thank you
Thank you very much. Great video! (I wish you had the JPX 200X as well... but thats a bit limited in availability ;) )
Nice test. Thanks
Ditto, excellent and informative.
Wow that hot metal pro looks awesome Thomas, you hit that so well. I want to try the tour, hot metal pro, taylormade p790 / p770. I'm off 6 and like a players distance iron so any thoughts?
Hi, great video! What shaft was used in the iron out of curiosity? Have a similar swing speed and booked in for a fitting with the Mizuno guys!
100% agree with Thomas' reasoning for playing MP-20 MB type clubs.. I gamed both my MP-20 MB's and my Wilson Staff Model Blades back and forth this season and I've come to really rely on consistent distances and being able to work the ball easier. Something I am not willing to give up. When the new Wilson Staff Model CB's come out in January can you please do a comparison of them versus the Model Blades? I'm excited to test the CB's as the lofts are going to be the same as the Blades.
Hi Gang Great video
Could you please talk about picking the right shaft to compliment the clubhead model that suits my game. Thanks
I would love to see a test like this with the same lofts throughout. Comparing the same number just doesn’t tell me much in terms of comparison. It’s like comparing a 7,6 and 5 iron with each other.
Yeah, a huge pet peeve of mine. Fully agreed.
Love this review. I know this comment is much later than the video date, but if you see it I think something that would be the cherry on the top of a review like this would be to include a JXP921 Hot Metal Pro 8 Iron. It has a 34 degree loft like the players irons in the review, so would love to see the spin rate, overall distance, decent angle, etc. compared to the players 7 iron. Curious to see if you get the same type of performance of the blade 7 irons but with two main differences being workability with the blades, but more forgiveness with the Hot Metal Pro (specifically the Pro because of the more compact head like the blades). Would never want to exclude the Hot Metal Pro 7 iron these review, but add-in the 8 iron. I'm almost 60 and will be picking up the game again this year after recovering from an injury. Set of Hot Metal Pros are on the way.
Again, this review if fantastic IMO.
My favorites were t-zoid pros then the mp-32....now the jpx 921 forged..
Great video and very helpful for me to narrow down my selection! Have played Mizuno irons for the last 18 years, first MP 33, then MP 57 and next one possibly MP 20 MMC
I'm still playing a combo set of MP33s and M57s!
@@kirkchisholm8379 great idea, still got my MP33s, will set up a combo set, too!
@@MrAd6126 Sweet. I'm going to go get fitted for a combo set of MP20s in the new year. Likely 3-4 HMBs, 5-7 MMC and 8-PW MBs. The 57/33 set will stick around for nostalgia and fun.
I have tried most of these - skipped the MP20 Blade because I do not consider myself good enough and skipped the 921 Hot Metal (although I have tested the 919 HM in the past). My views are obviously very subjective and I consider myself to be nothing more than a decent club player.
JPX range is built for blending. 921 T are awesome, although I tested them on a cold day and barely had any feeling in my hands so not ideal! 921 Forged are a definite step up on the 919 Forged and crucially for me have a slightly more compact look - I haven't measured them but the 919 Forged also looked to have a little too long a blade length for my eye. But for me the standout in the JPX line up was the 921 HMB. Great feel, so easy to hit and goes a good distance. Personally I would have 921T in 7i-PW but replace the 5i &6i with the 6i & 7i in the HMB (might need to adjust the lofts slightly). I did try the 921 HM Pro which again is great club but for me pointless given how good the HMB was
Then there is the MP20 MMC. As I currently play i210s this is close to a directly replacement, i210s are a degree weaker. I loved this club. I suspect better players than I would play the blades in 7i-PW and MMC for the longer irons.
That brings me to my problem. I could play 2 different sets: MP20 MMC throughout or a blend of 921T & HMB. I really do not understand why Mizuno has 2 completely different ranges
would stick with your same shaft regardless of which head you chose? I imagine that your LZ fits some heads a little better for some than others.
With the JPX HMP 7 iron carrying 200 yards, I would love to see how Thomas would gap the bottom of the bag if he were forced to play this set....5 wedges? I think the top end would be good to see too as the 4 iron might be carrying 240-250! I understand that he could blend these at the top end with the more precision models further down the bag but as an exercise in fitting I think it would be a real challenge to fit him into the HMP only. Great content as always. Thanks.
Thinking of getting one of these irons, currently using an old Honma LB 708 it feels amazing. Should I make the switch?
i just got fitted for clubs and i hit the mizunos so pure....i love them
Thanks for your feedback. They are pure - Thomas
Good that you mixed up all the heads rather than start off with the game improver and work into a groove for the blades.
Thank you for watching!
I was custom fitted for MP 20 HMB c taper lite reg last year. Close run with Ping G410. Handicap has gone up from 12.4 to 14.5 under the new (in the UK) WHS. I’m now wondering if I should’ve done more than one session. Should I have opted for Hot Metal Pro??
I just ordered the HM Pro. I am a 10 handicap and was looking for consistency over distance. I normally hit straight or slight draw and typically don’t have to shape many shots, maybe just one or two a round.
late to the party, what shafts did you end up using?
@@ecjaye I was fitted for TruTemper regular stiffness 105g steel shafts. And these were the same as in my 30 year old clubs actually except I don’t know what weight the old ones are. For reference I swing a 7 iron Consistently about 72mph.
What s the deal with mizuno wedges like 48 degrees and above ,I see how much the irons are talked about but never any mention if the wedges
Both my son and I play MP-20 HMB irons. They are amazing irons. Really soft with a great feel, yet they pack a lot of forgiveness. They have a slightly thicker top line and a bit of a longer profile compared to the MP-20 MB, but that's just the price of more forgiveness. In my opinion it's the perfect blend of forgiveness and consistency/workability. I wonder how they're gonna be able to top it with the MP-22 range..
Awesome to hear! Yes, we're also curious about how Mizuno can top it...
I am still bit a lost in between JPX 921 FORGED VS. MP 20 HMB..
Any further advise which one more suitable to. . .
Final comment...Grip weight can affect the ball flight by moving the CoG up or down slightly and I saw a wedge review where a heavier grip was used to bring the ball direction back in from right to centre, something I never considered before. Anyway, my question is, would a different grip or even shaft for Tom change his dispersion for the HM and HM Pro, hence the results of the test?
Interesting idea. We haven't tested that before. Perhaps we'll do a video on that soon!
Looking to get mizunos. What would you recommend for someone who is a 8 handicap? I’ve been playing Taylormade p-770’s with KBS Tour 130’s. Too many options to choose from it seems. I play a small baby fade most of the time. My misses are almost all the time a push. Rarely draw it. Was thinking the MMC’s or the Hot metal pros from this video
It pretty much just comes down to loft and how much you pepper the face. If you can consistently hit shots inside the grooves and have high enough swing speeds to get the ball in the air you can play pretty much any model. If you really can’t hit the ball than you need a big iron but if you hit inside the grooves more times than not it just comes down to what you like the look and feel of.
What shaft are you using in the hot metal pro, usually the project x lz black shaft is standard, but you look to be using a different shaft?
All of the irons were tested with the same shaft: Project X LZ 6.5 (125g)
How or why are you smash factors so high for a 7-iron. Tour averages of smash factor are 1.33 for a 7-iron and in this video you're averaging well above 1.45...driver levels. Curious if there is a calibration setting you use or something?
the spin rates are all really low but in particular the mp20 mb spinning @ 5,300 for a 7 iron is around 2,000 rpms lower than where it would ideally be. 😳Is that a preference thing to spin your irons that low to get a lil extra carry? or is that a stock hit? just curious. 🤙🏽
Thanks for watching and for the feedback! Thomas does generate lower spin rates than the average player of his swing speed. With that said, 5300 is definitely on the low side compared to what he would usually get with a similar type iron.
@@2ndswing ooohhh!! Ok!! Thanks for replying back guys! I just ordered the mp20’s to replace a worn set of titleist MB’s and was wondering if that was the iron or just preference. Love the content btw! Cheers!!
Is that a stiff shaft? Do you know the weight?
amazing video but i kept asking myself why did his buddy not let him know caring ha 500 rangelf of his collar was out of whack work ability
I’d like to see this same exercise done with a 20 handicapper.
What hcp does the guy hitting have?
I believe Thomas is scratch/plus handicap. He was a Collegiate and mini-Tour golfer prior to becoming a professional club fitter.
I've never seen a reviewer that understands spin numbers. The HM and MP 20 had 800 rpm difference in spin but also 11 yards difference in carry. You can't compare the spin numbers to each other just because the number on the club, which is completely arbitrary, is the same. You wouldn't pull out the HM from 190 yards just like you wouldn't pull out the MP20 from 205. You have to compare spin, descent angle at a given distance regardless of the number on the bottom.
No one comments on spin numbers based on feel. It was obvious that he was a blade player and would be the most positive about them, biased about the consistency for him, not r.o.w.. 5 yards of carry distance differential is nothing. Ignored the fact that the blade went 39 feet to the left and the 921 forged went 8 feet left. He really tried to just compare mp 20 to the hot metal which is dramatic but not very helpful. For the average golfer, let's say better than a 20 handicap, the blade might be attractive but the 921 forged or even 20 MMC might be more practical. At the end, you should have just given us the numbers, your analysis was moderately helpful.
7 irons launch like my 5
This should be good 921T is awesome.
Thanks for watching.
what ball was used?
lol nevermind, after watching the first part you say . PRO V1 X
Thanks for watching: Pro V1 X with silver dot facing up every time.
2:40. What's he doing here? Are they adjustable irons?
Irons are not adjustable this is the Mizuno fitting components where you can switch out each head and shaft combinations. For the test I was putting the same shaft in each head - Thomas
I have absolutely no trouble controlling the shape of a shot wether its gonna fade or draw i wish I could hit it a little higher with straight shots and misfits i can fade a 7 iron 40 yards or hook a 7 iron 70 yards i have trouble with starting the ball off on the correct line because I CAN curve it soooo much, if anything i "overshape" the ball more often than dont get any shape on it at all. Makes zero sense to me saying that those more forgiving irons just "stayed" out to the right for him seems like rubbish. I cant imagine wanting an iron that makes it "easier" to shape a golf ball I have a WAY WAY WAY harder time not OVERSHAPING a ball. i have a harder time finding the middle of the iron every single shot as well. I want the tightest left to right I could find. His iron that had the best distance dispersion also had the worst left and right dispersion and by a bunch. So you would rather miss left and right that much rather than having 7 feet dispersions in distance compared to 3 feet??? The hmb is the tightest left and right by half the distance left and right and they are right on the target line. With only 2.4 yards of distance dispersions... im just wondering for my game which would I would rather choose I want to hit the ball higher by about 20 feet on my 5 4 and 3 irons highest iron I hit is my 6 iron. Im gaming the jpx850 forged right now is it worth the 1000 dollar investment or am I essentially getting the same iron in the hmb? Im a 4 handicap but have trouble getting the longer irons high enough to stick i can hit my 5 iron 200 yards but when it gets there it would be taking out your teeth lmbo. 7 irons 170-180 with normal not loft jacked irons. I just want forgiving straight high flighting irons. shots.
Thank you for the feedback Matthew! It sounds like you're a skilled player and swing with some good speed. If you're looking to hit the ball higher, one of the players cavity iron models such as the JPX 921 Tour with a higher loft could help increase the launch angle for you. The trade off there unfortunately is that, generally, higher lofted irons are less forgiving and may be more punishing on mis-hits. Do you have a consistent miss (hook or slice) or do you miss both ways? Perhaps an adjustment to your lie angle could help as well.
I get all the numbers except for the smash factor..., it is so high for a 7 iron 🧐
wondering about the same thing- tour average is about 1,33
@@march5689 they hit it slower then Rory mcilroy but carry it 15 yards further. Okay 🙃
@@emielvangeet8175 Thanks for watching! This is Thomas I have created a video to explain smash factor and why my smash factor numbers with a 7iron are over the 1.4 mark. It comes down to how I compress the ball, (attack angle, dynamic loft, and spin loft) I found a way to hit it far as a little guy and can tell you these numbers are accurate due to the way I swing the club. Stay turned we are working on getting this video published very soon.
@@2ndswing does the indoor situation maybe also have impact on the smash factor? My guess is, that the numbers coming from the pga tour are measured of grass and from different lies
Thanks for watching. We also completed a lot of testing outside this summer using Trackman it is not related to grass v hitting off a mat. Here is a video showing high 1.4+ smash factors with 7irons th-cam.com/video/HtYDSnRYec0/w-d-xo.html roll to 14:57
Own and play jpx 900 tours goin to zx5
You COULD throw the construction in as a reason the GI clubs go further and you TECHNICALLY might be correct… but it’s 99.9% the loft angle.
So I just had a look at my ballspeed stats from top tracer. I'm getting 93mph on a 7 iron.
This gut is generating an extra 40mph than me.
He is also hitting them an extra 80m
Those 7 iron distances
Your workability statements about the balls being more Left than the Less workability Hot Metals is not accurate - curvature is a face to path issue. The reason the balls were further Right is because the weight in the toe of these clubs causes the dynamic toe to be more drooped at impact - so all you have to do is adjust the lie angle of the clubs to have the same dynamic lie/toe at impact and all the clubs would line up from their average L/R perspective - the standard deviation of these distributions is more complicated (turf interaction, club stability, etc)
Who buys these club types seems like there’s a lot of clubs for low handicappers with the hot metal being for mid to high handicapoers, only 4.6% of golfers have a handicap below 10,