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Mizuno MP20 MMC & HMB | Fitting & Review Mid-Handicap Player
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txg.ca - Testing the new Mizuno MP20 MMC and HMB irons with a mid-handicap player. See how each model performs and which ends up being fitted for the player!
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Chris Voshall
#golf #clubreviews
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This channel is determined to cost me money. Great stuff!
Being a fly on the wall in a room with Vosh and Ian is one of the things I enjoy most about the channel
Love when Chris comes to TXG to talk tech! Super smart guy and very personable
i love how honest he is about his handicap... mark of a true golfer.
Wow. There’s reviews and then there is a review/fit from TXG with much more insight and detail provided. Blows everyone else out of the water. Add Chris Voshall from Mizuno with his passion, knowledge and enthusiasm and this is a treat to watch.
Ian, thanks so much for doing this. Voshall is a great company rep. His info and thoughtful comments show Mizuno is in pursuit of excellence for every level of experience and accomplishment.
Seems to be a very good "mid" handicapper with his swing and ball striking. Great job, fun and educational to watch!!
I’ve hit both a couple of times, and i found the mmc just as easy to hit as the hmb. Im a high ball hitter so the mmc ball flight suited me better. I’m a 22 handicap but had no problem hitting them.
Excellent stuff! And a nice touch to see a golf company Executive who can actually make good use of their products. :-)
What you said at the 16 min mark was spot on. Watching this video built my confidence to give them a try. I’m a 8 handicap as well with s shallow divot. This brought a lot of clarity. Great video fellas.
Ian my man you gotta send Voshall to your barber and tell him to get "The Ian"...... Voshall looks like he just came out the bushes chasing a lost ball haha
was thinking the same, but its natural now with the Mizuno launching new models, not having time to go to the barber :-D
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😄😅😂
It's the Rory McIlroy style
I just added the HMB 2 & 3 iron to my bag instead of a hybrid and a 5 wood. They're absolutely amazing clubs and do a spectacular job replacing the outgoing clubs. FWIW, my 4-9 are JPX 921 Mizuno Tour. Great bag I've put together in the irons so far. Need some new wedges now.
This is one of the best videos so far. What a great job he did. Great swing too. Looking forward to more.
These are in my opinion by far the best looking irons I've ever seen.
agree, maybe the MP-5 would be in the same high level but yes, really good looking.
What an excellent series on the new MP20 line. Great discussion, great explanations by Chris, excellent analysis by Ian and Matt. This is such a great channel.
The best products in the best channel.
Chris really seems to enjoy goin to txg which only makes the channel that much better and also gives such a huge look into the minds of mizuno. Chris obviously loves his job and brand so much hes nearly the face of the brand. Wouldnt be surprised if other manufacturers start showing up trying to be the next "chris"
Kinda makes me wish I hadn’t of sprung for a mixed set of MMC 4&5 / SC 6-PW with PX6.5 earlier this year. While these are by far the best feeling best performing irons I’ve ever played, I’ve been drooling over the MP20s. Gotta go hit these soon just for fun! 😀
Fraz and Vosh both stopped shaving on the same day to make this video perfect
Just saw this as I am considering a pre-owned set of MP20 MMCs. Immediate reaction is what a great smooth swing this guy has, he is no mid-handicapper. Then he says probably 8 to 10. The average male handicap in the US is 14. A player in the 8 to 10 range is in the top 25 to 34%. The way he hits it, I think he could be below 8 if he played at all regularly. Anyway, after trying the MP 20 MMC irons today in a hitting bay with launch monitor, I would agree with the previous viewer with a 22 handicap who said he found the MMC as easy to hit as the HMB. I have a 17 handicap. I think a lot may depend on the shafts. The pre-owned set I am looking at has Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 120 gram shafts in R flex. The flex could be the secret, as over the past year I found that 120 gram stiff Royal Precision Rifle Lite shafts in my forged blades were getting to be too much (I am 82). I had replaced those with very light Nippon NS Pro Zelos 8 stiff shafts weighing only 87.5 grams, which helped increase swing speed but may have been a touch too light. The other thing that helps is my current forged blades have weak lofts, 34 degree 7 iron, while the MP20 MMC is 32 degrees.
Can't wait to get fit for these. They look brilliant.
Would love a comparison between JPX forged and HMB
I have 900 Forged set... was considering combo with 789P of the MMC.. but still undecided.
Thank you! It’s time for me to upgrade my MP-54’s. I had MP-68’s and then a set of MP-69’s. I have only played Mizuno irons since I have started playing and these two are on my list. I am at the point that I need a little more forgiveness and I love this video! Mizuno makes the best irons and I only play the best! Thanks again appreciate the video! Going to get fitted this week!
My 54s are great! So what did you replace them with?
Your skills as a fitter are unparalleled. Wish I could get up there for one!!!
Nick Faldo taught me golf with his video. Vosh and his swing DNA videos got me interested in Mizuno. Cat and Zack fitted me at Mizuno Atlanta. I've never been happier with my 919 forged. Getting to TXG is on my bucket list.
is it any different in price at Mizuno Atlanta vs PGA Superstore?
I have played 1998 Mizuno T-Zoid Pro irons for 20 years , now on my 2nd set of F,S+L (T-Zoid pro 2 due to non availability of early ones in immaculate order)wedges due to wearing out the originals, but the rest of them ,1 iron to PW (yes I have 13 irons) still very good, currently saving hard to move to the MP-20 . Main thing is shaft choice , I know what I need from a mizuno iron , Fitting is essential it would seem to get the engine right now my swing speed has dropped by 25% since my late 30's. If you need a 4 handicap senior subject for a further test , I am your man !!! and you can have my 1 iron as a "trophy" :)
T-Zoids were nice - the only Mizunos I can play - have never liked the curvy toplines on their other models.
I'm still playing my T-zoids! While there are definitely better irons out there, the difference isn't great enough to justify me switching to the MP 20. I never did play the 1i and just put the 2i back in the bag after a switch to a lighter shaft and then lead weight filling in the two gaps on the back. It's dynamite off the tee!
@@glennwiebe5128 Yes! I still have a set. Feel is great. And you can pick them up on eBay for a steal.. lol
HMB looks like a golf club for a wide range of golfers, will definitely try. Great video thanks for your efforts.
Have the Modus 120S in my 919 Hot Metals. Love them
I ended up going w/the project X 5.5 rifles in my JPX 919 HMs. 🥰
Just fitted for HMB 4 - PW with C taper lite reg. Changing from HM pro due to them being stolen. Tried every brand available at the bay. Close run with Ping G410 but spin rate the HMB won. Also playing links golf, the slightly thinner sole of HMB was a decider.
I am sold! Keen in replacing my MP69 with the MP20 HMB.
I put Nippon motus pro in my new srixon heads because of you and the witnesses give me props. Go head golf Doc!😁💯
i'm getting all HMB as soon as i get my medical malpractice settlement check!
These fittings are always educational.
Mid handicapper??? He is faaaaar from what I’d class as a mid handicapper haha (12-18)
Great review though, both look like great clubs
What s your handicap? Oh I don't play that often so it's around 8-10. WTF? Mid Handicap my ass. They need to bring in actual Mid and High Handicappers to test these.
@@asdfkhieee what would be a mid handicap then? lol
@@addisonking3202 I've never heard of anyone ever shooting single digits called a "Mid" Handicap. Mid to me would be 11-18, but even 11 is pushing it. This guy shoots 8 over, which according to the National Golf Foundation puts him in the top 5% of all golfers on the planet. So not what you would call a "Mid" handicapper.
Boba Defett the guy said if he breaks 80 he’s ecstatic. I’ve never heard of someone struggling to break 80 being referred to as a low handicap
@Boba he never said he shoots 8 over, he's mid to high 80's on a decent round - breaks 80 rarely. Low handicap players shoot in the 70's with regularity
What a great swing. Killer.
I got my jpx900 forged last year and I think it was one of the best things I've ever done. Mizuno all the way
Me too. Love them.. but now considering combo that with 789P 900Tour or MMC for control.
Thoughts?
Dang, makes me want to switch back to Mizuno... and how cool is it that Chris is taking part in the videos 👍🏼👍🏼
Getting second hand mp20 tomorrow, thank you for this. I’d love the new 223.... but I also need to remain married.
Got fit into the HMB's 4-6 & MMC's 7-PW in a KBS Tour S 120 today. I can't wait to take them to the course!
What's your handicap?
The new mizzys look so good. Thanks for the excellent vid as always guys. Cheers.
I am a 1hcp player and recently chose the hmb due to looks and feel
Went for a set of MMC with a HMB 3 iron. Nice clubs
What a great line from Mizuno!!
Eric, did you hear the part where he said he plays less than 10 rounds a year. He played the day before this video with Voshall and shot 88.
Ian Fraser I take it back
@@EaglesXsandOs 😂😂
Oh ya I don’t play that much” blam! Smash! Oh ya I guess I hit that one well” lol 😂
Great channel guys I really enjoy it. But come on, this guys a ringer I know your not fooled
Would love an opportunity to be custom fit. Thanks for the opportunity guys. Great work.
Ohhhhhh my talk about the cleanest looking clubs in the business
Loved the video and information provided by all involved, mid-cap included. Wish I could get fit into the MP20 MB (6-PW) and MMC (4,5) but don't know to go with Modus 120 or 130. I'm usually a DG S300 player but loved the feel of the Modus shaft in a used MP18 MB I tried.
His right foot on follow through is impressive! Could you guys do a video with mmc comparing kbs tour shaft and
Modus 120?
I would Love to have the HMB irons in my bag! They look awesome.👍🏌🏻
Definitely going to be looking into mixed set of MB's and HMB's.
Voshall rocks! Knows the brand, knows his shit, DGAF about his 'do ...he's gonna cost me a set of HMBs
They look amazing love the idea of blended set but how can you get fit for blended when most club fitters only carry 1 of either 6 or 7 iron in each model
Go ahead Golf Doc you the truth!
Love my MP-18 MB+SC+MMC set, but can’t wait to trade them in for the MP-20’s!!!
Can we see how the JPX 919 line compare to the 20’s ?? Maybe not the 20 blade and 919 tour because most of us could never play them anyways but the HMB, MMC vs. Forged and hot metal ???
This video was so good. Ian & Chris are awesome together. The other OEM club engineers should be begging to get on the channel
R P which Chris? Haha...kidding. Vosh is brilliant and I’m lucky to call him a colleague and friend. Learned tons from him over the years!
Aha. Both of you. Agree with others that your full swing is that of a low handicap player.
These are beautiful. Never tried a Mizuno. But everyone seems to say that they feel unreal
if it walks like a duck brother, dont flush a mizuno unless youre ready for new irons
Good rythmn great results great irons
Very tempting but I would prefer the looks of 919 Tour. Great video guys.
Tried the HMB for the first time today. Impressive club. 7i consistently 10-15 yards longer than my MB716...might tighten up the gap to the 23* nicely, but makes a mess of the bottom end of the bag for wedge gapping....HMB and some T20 wedges 🤔😁
HMB's here I come!!!....
Other than the slightly thick top line I am struggling to see the point of the MMCs (and I loved the MP18-MMCs), Mizuno have really nailed it with the HMB
Just got sent here from the live chat lol
Ian - in terms of blending Mizuno irons would you ever consider blending models that are farther apart in terms of design intent than other options, say the HMB and JPX 919 Hot Metal irons, and how would you approach that? Would the 919s be the longer irons (seeking more forgiveness in those clubs), with the HMBs being, say, the 6 through pitching wedge? Or the other way around, given the extra distance that the Hot Metals seem to deliver?
I might have to come and get a fitting with Iain and change to Mizunos before I tee up at the next Major! I'm excited!
Tigger Woods he’s brilliant! Do it!
How would these compare to the Hot Metal Pro in distance and/or forgiveness?
michael day Less of both because the head is smaller
Damn, I just bought the JPX 919 tours but now I think I could use the distance from the HMBs. My swing is pretty similar to his.
You can have a club tech bend them to match the lofts to the other set. JPX irons have always been awesome performing real-world players' irons! I have MP-4s and often miss my JPX forged set!
Of these 2, which one is better for the sweeper/picker who also wants a little forgiveness?
Can I ask why don't shaft manufactures use the actual weight of the shaft in the name... ie modus 120 is 114 grams. Why not call it Modus 114. Its very confusing
Dave Fogel Because stiffness is created by adding weight. In the 120 line, the X flex is 120g. Project X is similar - 5.5 is 115g, 6.0 is 120g, 6.5 is 125g.
I play the JPX 919 Hot Metal Pro and sometimes feel like its too hot where I have a problem knowing my distance. Really interested in a MP-20 combo set to get more distance control in my game.
Love and appreciate you videos! To bad you guys are not in South Florida ;-)... Would you please consider a comparison between the HMB model and the JPX919 Forged? Thanks!!
Nice swing. 🏌️♂️
I’m looking a getting a blended set. MP20 MB , MMC +/- HMB .
It’s so hard to find a fitter of this calibre in Ireland.
I may have to go to the UK to get fitted but COVID19 🦠 isn’t helping.
Any chance Chris can come out for my fitting and answer my questions? Haha! Very enjoyable video thank you.
This guy is proof you don't need to go at it aggressively in order to get club head speed. Hardly looks like he's hitting it and getting mid 90mph numbers wow!
Am I correct in thinking the MP20 MMC has more help build into it that a lot are letting on? Example, they'll help more than the MP-25.
Thoughts on using harder to hit clubs like blades for practice or on the range but use ur actual (more forgiving clubs) irons when on the course. Just wondering what people though hope this question makes sense. Thks
Jermane Hoowse I tried this 7 years back. Started using an old Mizuno blade 6 iron on the range. Tells you on every hit if you sweet spot it or not. Then it helped me when I tried a range of Mizunos and I knew exactly how how much forgiveness I needed. At that time I ended up with a set of mp59s. I still take that blade out to tease out issues with my swing. Still need to use my true irons to dial things in.
Better for low on the face strikes?
Elevate Tour 120 or Pro Modus 120
Thank you!!
Head probably matters more than the shaft tbh
Great ball striking
Late to the club here but as someone who's hitting around 100, is the HMB too much club or is this a club I could work with and work to improve with?
Hi guys!! Better for low on the face strikes? DG S400, Elevate Tour 120 or Modus 120. Thank You!!
I'm currently playing the MP18 MMC because I don't take a divot however I need something more forgiving. What would you recommend for someone who is a picker and also needs forgiveness?
Breaking news: ‘mid handicap golfer found pinned to the bar after taking the money from the field of cat 1 players’! 😂😂
My dream irons are MP20 HMB. I simply can't afford a set. I really need them
So I am little confused .. I currently play the MP4'S. I am thinking if buying the MP20's, around a 6 to 8 handicap. So what would fit better? Looking at MB 7 through PW amd was thinking 5 n 6 iron but what would fit better HMB or MMC??
Question on the shaft change from PX LZ 5.5 to the Modus 120 S. If Chris were swinging a PX LZ 6.0, would you have put him in Modus 120 X?
I play the JPX 900 hot metal. Best irons ive ever used by far and i would still give my left nut for a set of the HMB's
Keen to know, if you had £1k for a set of irons, would you go MP20 or Titleist T100?
Too late *Mizuno!* You made the perfect club 19 years ago! (MP-33)
_Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down..._
Fantastic video!! As a mid handicapper myself I could relate. These clubs and the fitting experience is top notch. Hopefully have the opportunity through the #TXGcontest and create my own unique set!
"I don't play much anymore" proceeds to destroy it.
You mentioned strike point being low for this practicular player due to delivery being on the shallow side. Generally a low strike on the face would increase spin. Was that evident with this player?
Not so much the case with a mid-iron, you'd see spin increase on a low strike more with something like a fairway wood and definitely a driver.
Am surprised that he could still hit pretty decent distance albeit he didn’t flush the ball at the center of the sweet spot.
Ian...love listening to you talk golf. I live near Detroit and would drive to Toronto no problem if you would fit me for some MMC’s
Hey TXG
I am 13 years old and a 6 handicap, I am deciding between either a full set of hmb or mmc with my fitter. I am a decent ball striker, but I rely more on my short game. Would i be giving up too much workibility by getting a full set of hmb irons [5-pw]? I would love a response, thanks!!
You could combo those up and do hmb in the 5,6,7 irons and mmc in the 8,9,PW so you get more forgiveness in the longer irons and more control in the shorter irons. Just make sure the fitter blends the lofts appropriately
How does the HMB compare with the JPX-919 Hot Metal (Pro)? I know the HMB is 2 degrees weaker, but why would you choose one over the other performance-wise?
Forged feel, better spin. If you’re looking for more distance with max forgiveness in a small-ish shape then HMP is your ticket. If you want better feel and a little more spin with very good forgiveness in a small-ish shape then HMB is it. Pretty similar overall though.
I love my JPX's. Don't see myself ever playing anything other than Mizuno's.
i got jpx 900 forged in lefty, damn im gonna buy these
Have JPX 900 Forged.love it. For better control/shape, considering combo with 789P of either the 900/919 Tour or MMC. Any thoughts?
@@Unplugged704 if you love blades, go with 919 tour
Currently play mp 25's and a 6 index what version is for me
whats the MMC topline like compared to 718 ap2? thicker? slimmer?
looks slimmer
@@clubchampionmedia Thank you!
dam you TXG ...
i dont need new clubs
i dont need new clubs
i dont need new clubs
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Damn if that's a mid handicap swing, holy smokes