I always struggled a lot with the C.Falcon matchup as a Marth main until i myself started to play Falcon a few weeks ago, which, just as you said, helped me not only to get better at the matchup, but to keep the game fresh and interesting in a time where it was starting to feel a little monotonous for me. I am definitely looking forward to put all this tips in practice! Thanks for always doing this great videos PPMD! Also, Sorry for my bad english. This is not my first language.
Your English is literally perfect, dude. I just got done peer reviewing capstone reports (high level senior college reports related to your major) and you have way better grammar than they do. Would have had no clue you’re not a native English writer. Also glad to here it livened up the game for you :)
great advice in general for any competitive game. ive been doing this in magic the gathering for a while now, if a deck is pissing me off, i just play it to figure out what its weak to. good to remember this while im trying to learn ultimate
PP, your comment about explaining it out loud is similar to the "Rubber Duck Method" that programmers use- keep a rubber duck on hand to explain coding things to, so you might figure out your problem while explaining it all out. I might decide that mine plays melee now.
I have consistently struggled against Sheik for years and just decided to pick her up last week. I'm having a really good time learning her but I also have found that I am playing better against her when I go back to Falco or Marth
Thanks for the advice PP, i am part of a group that is trying to start up a melee scene in Tucson and we are so far behind the rest of the state as mostly new players. Hopefully this will help us catch up!
Concerning the first point of playing my opponents character. Lets say that I play marth and struggle with technical, rushdown falcos. I can try playing falco against marth, but my falco techskill is so bad that I will lose to options that wouldn't work if my techskill was as good as the people I am playing that give me trouble(such as shield grab for example). Is it worth it to invest time into getting my other characters to a level of technical proficiency that I can do the options that I lose to on marth or would that time be better spent just practicing more marth? Hopefully this makes sense, Thanks PP.
The whole idea is not to become proficient in someone else’s character but to see an opponents character, the position they are in and have a good understanding of what they want to do and what they are looking for.
EDIT: You can reduce the time you invest in the other character by only practicing specifically what makes you lose to that character! But besides that: I think it's worth putting in time to learn another character's tech skill. First of all, it will improve your tech skill for the whole cast. To give some examples: Like PP said, getting Marth movement down helps your movement skills in general. In your case, Falco is more reliant on intense tech skill than Marth and learning this will help your overall gameplay. For example, Falco has stricter L-cancel timings because he is a fastfaller, which will help you get more consistent L-cancelling on Marth. It also helps that you won't only rely only on muscle memory for the cancel timings. Falco generally has way smaller hitboxes so you will get better at precise spacing. It will help with smaller dash dancing and learning good wavedash spots since these are more important on Falco. And then there's all the benefits PP listed that come with actually knowing what your opponent's character wants to achieve, their options and where they are strong or weak. It's hard work, but I think it's definitely worth your time to do some intense training on characters that are not your main! In my case, practicing some Peach tech and neutral has really helped me improve in the matchup as Marth because suddenly I would recognise tough spots for her, see her coverage options etc. (though this was less tech skill related than practicing e.g. Falco or Fox)
I think being comfortable with consistent tech skill across the whole cast just will take time, focus on solo practicing with marth and eventually you’ll understand system wide mechanics well enough to practice other characters for matchup knowledge.
1st tip is already different from everything I've heard. I never would've thought to do that, but my ego gets in the way of me doing that. I add an unnecessary layer of stress to playing a game I love. I actually took a break to play other games JUST with the purpose of having fun IN MIND because I get too competitive in Smash.
Hey everyone I want to play melee, but every time I practice, it hurts my left index finger. That's the finger I use to wavedash and L-cancel, unmodified controller. Do I need to mod my controller to prevent this, or am I just doing it wrong?
If it’s actual pain maybe figure out an alternate like a box controller, but if you are simply just experiencing fatigue keep practicing cause your hands will get stronger and have better endurance. Maybe check out some hand exercises to practice long-term.
@@drewreich9274 if you have the means to netplay with Slippi and you like Melee at all, I promise you it's worth setting up I will personally replace your level 9 battles with intense memes
There should be chapters on the video, like these: 0:00 Intro 00:54 Play Their Character 4:01 Learn Where To Be 6:04 Understand Their Goals 8:21 Fox Example 12:30 Conclusion Unless you are looking for something else? I hope this helps!
I feel like Hbox was the kid who stole his brother's annoyingly gimmicky puff (pp advice #1) and was even better than he was with his normal character.
Hello everyone enjoying this video. I’m looking for a melee practice partner, and more importantly, a friend. If anyone is interested in playing a Luigi main- here I am!
ppmd the type of dude that tells you that youre bad at melee in the most polite way possible without touching your feelings at all
I’ve struggled with the occasional coldness from the community, but then I watch PP and then remember there’s a shining light.
I like how this applies to much more than melee, even than only gaming. That's some really good advice too, great stuff !
I'll never get tired of PP addressing us as gamers. Also, this was an awesome video! Definitely want to see more of this in the future
this is very helpful even for Ultimate, thank you!
major why are u here LOL
@@onlyaquaa its a good video about player mentality. you could probably apply most of this to any fighting game tbh
@@alejo_420 I know lol I’m just saying because I know major from another side of youtube
I mean it does say "Smash!" not "Smash Melee!".
I always struggled a lot with the C.Falcon matchup as a Marth main until i myself started to play Falcon a few weeks ago, which, just as you said, helped me not only to get better at the matchup, but to keep the game fresh and interesting in a time where it was starting to feel a little monotonous for me. I am definitely looking forward to put all this tips in practice! Thanks for always doing this great videos PPMD!
Also, Sorry for my bad english. This is not my first language.
Your English is great! :D
@@ThisIsWEB Thanks!
Your English is literally perfect, dude. I just got done peer reviewing capstone reports (high level senior college reports related to your major) and you have way better grammar than they do. Would have had no clue you’re not a native English writer.
Also glad to here it livened up the game for you :)
Dude as a captain falcon main. Marth is scary af
@@SunsetInStone Thank you! It means a lot coming from someone with a background in grammar analysis like you!
PP can just become a therapist cause man is he relaxing
I miss the more frequent uploads, but I LOVE the content that's still coming. Keep being awesome, and keep working on yourself!
XMAS PPMD
great advice in general for any competitive game. ive been doing this in magic the gathering for a while now, if a deck is pissing me off, i just play it to figure out what its weak to. good to remember this while im trying to learn ultimate
PP, your comment about explaining it out loud is similar to the "Rubber Duck Method" that programmers use- keep a rubber duck on hand to explain coding things to, so you might figure out your problem while explaining it all out. I might decide that mine plays melee now.
LOL welcome ducky homie
Great video, love to hear you talking about the game like this!
I have consistently struggled against Sheik for years and just decided to pick her up last week. I'm having a really good time learning her but I also have found that I am playing better against her when I go back to Falco or Marth
I love these types of videos it helps a lot and can sometimes be more useful than just analysis
great production man!
Very helpful, Thanks
super video, merci !
Professor M.D. .. the class is in session, thanks for the advice!
Oh my god I LOVE that opening graphic! So cool
amazing for learning mus
Thanks
Thanks for the advice PP, i am part of a group that is trying to start up a melee scene in Tucson and we are so far behind the rest of the state as mostly new players. Hopefully this will help us catch up!
web is such a fire editor wtf...
what if i told u
your ambition inspired me
would you 😳 believe 😳
unless you admired the intro cause i didnt create that LULW
@@ThisIsWEB bruh.........
Concerning the first point of playing my opponents character. Lets say that I play marth and struggle with technical, rushdown falcos. I can try playing falco against marth, but my falco techskill is so bad that I will lose to options that wouldn't work if my techskill was as good as the people I am playing that give me trouble(such as shield grab for example). Is it worth it to invest time into getting my other characters to a level of technical proficiency that I can do the options that I lose to on marth or would that time be better spent just practicing more marth? Hopefully this makes sense, Thanks PP.
Personally play falco so you can feel falco maybe even after youve been tilted. Play the scummiest version of falco. Otherwise stay on that main
The whole idea is not to become proficient in someone else’s character but to see an opponents character, the position they are in and have a good understanding of what they want to do and what they are looking for.
EDIT: You can reduce the time you invest in the other character by only practicing specifically what makes you lose to that character! But besides that:
I think it's worth putting in time to learn another character's tech skill.
First of all, it will improve your tech skill for the whole cast. To give some examples: Like PP said, getting Marth movement down helps your movement skills in general.
In your case, Falco is more reliant on intense tech skill than Marth and learning this will help your overall gameplay. For example, Falco has stricter L-cancel timings because he is a fastfaller, which will help you get more consistent L-cancelling on Marth. It also helps that you won't only rely only on muscle memory for the cancel timings.
Falco generally has way smaller hitboxes so you will get better at precise spacing. It will help with smaller dash dancing and learning good wavedash spots since these are more important on Falco.
And then there's all the benefits PP listed that come with actually knowing what your opponent's character wants to achieve, their options and where they are strong or weak.
It's hard work, but I think it's definitely worth your time to do some intense training on characters that are not your main! In my case, practicing some Peach tech and neutral has really helped me improve in the matchup as Marth because suddenly I would recognise tough spots for her, see her coverage options etc. (though this was less tech skill related than practicing e.g. Falco or Fox)
Play more melee, get better tech skill, then learn the matchups
I think being comfortable with consistent tech skill across the whole cast just will take time, focus on solo practicing with marth and eventually you’ll understand system wide mechanics well enough to practice other characters for matchup knowledge.
1st tip is already different from everything I've heard. I never would've thought to do that, but my ego gets in the way of me doing that. I add an unnecessary layer of stress to playing a game I love. I actually took a break to play other games JUST with the purpose of having fun IN MIND because I get too competitive in Smash.
The fact that these advices are useful for ultimate too is awesome dude
now this is epic!
Sick intro as always
Total bars bro!!
THESE INTROS DUDE ROFLLL
i recommend Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" it's really insightful in the context of melee
what does pp store in all that closet space?
Hey everyone
I want to play melee, but every time I practice, it hurts my left index finger. That's the finger I use to wavedash and L-cancel, unmodified controller.
Do I need to mod my controller to prevent this, or am I just doing it wrong?
If it’s actual pain maybe figure out an alternate like a box controller, but if you are simply just experiencing fatigue keep practicing cause your hands will get stronger and have better endurance. Maybe check out some hand exercises to practice long-term.
Inb4 everyone on unranked starts playing annoying ass characters and spamming lame options to learn how to play against it lol
I see ppmd I click on the like button. Its that easy
1337 ending nice
Be Water My Friend...😇
where are u? :(
when the video is 13:37 long you know it's 'leet
I dont have the benefit of NetPlay (im lazy) but i play myriad of characters so I dont tunnel vision
I play my friends (anyone willing) ive been fighting lvl 9s since 2002
@@drewreich9274 if you have the means to netplay with Slippi and you like Melee at all, I promise you it's worth setting up
I will personally replace your level 9 battles with intense memes
@@ThisIsWEB when I get off work ill put in effort to get off the ground. Need memes and more NetPlay falco in my life
If you are reading this comment, i wish you a beautiful Christmas period :)
They mentioned you’re name countless times during summit 12, that just proves the impact you’ve had on the game. Please return to competing.
wish there were chapters
There should be chapters on the video, like these:
0:00 Intro
00:54 Play Their Character
4:01 Learn Where To Be
6:04 Understand Their Goals
8:21 Fox Example
12:30 Conclusion
Unless you are looking for something else? I hope this helps!
@@ThisIsWEB hm it didnt show on mobile but i see on computer
I just want to change nothing about how I play, I don’t want to learn or have to try. Just win, so tell me how
Pay the dude to lose or beat him up if he doesn't.
I cant even beat cpus without sding. I have played a lot. im just that bad.
Hidden fourth cheat code tip: the video is 13:37
Sheik is so free. You don’t realize how dogshit she is till you play her.
Three tips. Be talented, don't be bad and hardwork.
I feel like Hbox was the kid who stole his brother's annoyingly gimmicky puff (pp advice #1) and was even better than he was with his normal character.
Hello everyone enjoying this video. I’m looking for a melee practice partner, and more importantly, a friend. If anyone is interested in playing a Luigi main- here I am!
Why would I trust this guy, he's not eve no real doctor.
Because he plays one on tv