I work in the medical field. Abortions are never a happy event. But neither is hospice care, child abuse cases or doing CPR on a small child. The reality is......... That sometimes there are no good out comes, no matter what you choose. Some times when you practice medicine, you & your patients have to make hard decisions, & abortion...is one of them.
That's why abortion must not be off the table, regardless of how hard it is. The perils of childbirth are sometimes much harder for the mother is it is for the child to be. It's about unburdening the mother of unintended pregnancy and sparing the potential child a life of suffering when the circumstances to raise a child in an adequate hospitable environment are absent
Only thing I would add - abortion can indeed affect your mental health. It is not a fun, easy thing to do. I still get sad thinking about it - but if had carried on with the pregnancy, I would have been much, much worse mentally, physically and economically
@ruaraidh74 If the refusal of your body to the not viable is considered killing, you're a killer. You refuse your body to the not viable daily. Go to jail, I guess. Please don't be illogical for emotional bait.
@mikaelkasike854 again, refusal of your body to the not viable can't count as a crime with malicious intent or we would all be in prison. There's not enough cells dude.
@@freedomishavingachoice3020 again, nobody is saying otherwise. He's talking about conceiving and subsequently killing human beings, not refusing someone's body to someone else. Try arguing with someone in the room, Nancy.
My grandma told me once how important it is to remember what life was like for women before abortion was legal and effective birth control was available. Women had to make horrific choices between children they couldn’t support or were unwanted and ineffective home remedies and unsafe illegal abortions. The conservatives who believe they have the right to be the moral enforcers of the US are pro birth, not pro life because they consider food assistance, adequate education and other interventions to be socialism, rather than social services that would result in healthier and more productive adults. These are the same people who are willing to commit vast resources to military spending, prisons & militarized police forces.
@@sashajoachims5840 not like the old days now thank goodness,but there are better options than abortion which is barbaric, I'm referring to the morning after pill.
@@Shine-p2u you are entitled to your opinion but it’s not ok to take the right to an opinion away from someone else because you don’t agree with their decision. This issue is so much more complex than just the right to terminate a pregnancy too. St least some of the states that have decided to outlaw abortion are also making the morning after pill illegal and petitioning neighboring states to uphold the abortion laws of a woman’s home state and threatening medical providers & women with criminal charges & jail time! Not to mention that unfortunately the issue isn’t just whether or not women have the right to terminate a pregnancy but apparently states with abortion bans have interpreted ‘abortion’ to include the medical procedures to help a woman survive following the spontaneous death of a pre-term fetus that doesn’t naturally expel or a mother and viable fetus survive the death of one fetus from a set of twins. Yes abortion is something that everyone has strong emotional and moral feelings about. It is ok to not believe abortion is moral and that you would never get one but we can’t know what circumstances exist to cause a woman to contemplate such a personal & painful decision. I can almost guarantee that the majority of women who have terminated a pregnancy didn’t do it because they wanted to, and certainly didn’t feel good about it. I would even argue that many of them may have even told themselves they would never make that choice until they found themselves in circumstances they never imagined. I expect many of them mourn the child and will remember the loss for the rest of their life but for many different complicated and personal reasons they didn’t feel like they had any other option. The morning after pill isn’t always an option, what if someone is using a birth control method and it unexpectedly fails or someone can’t get to a pharmacy or clinic in the right window of time? I wish all pregnancies were wanted & all children were born healthy into functional & loving families and no woman ever had to make what may very well be the most difficult & painful decision of her life but that isn’t how life works and it is unacceptable for anyone to think they have the right to make that decision for anyone else.
So do you think there are no resources to help pregnant women and unwanted pregnancies. There are foundations and associations that are always receiving donations quite literally everywhere. And if you are unable to find those resources locally, I’m sure you could travel somewhere or move where those resources are readily available. Why should we get to assign value to life based off economic or mental reasons. It’s selfish and dehumanizing. Imagine your a mother of 3 and you lost your job. Should you be able to kill one of your children so you can make more money. Most coherent and normal people would say no. So how is this any different inside the womb. Why should we kill humans because they might potentially have a hard or difficult life financially. This is a product of laziness and our generation is constantly putting themselves before anyone else. If we keep living with this mindset, I’m afraid we’re down a terrible path as Americans. We need to understand the consequences of our actions and accept them. Murdering humans should never be the answer to economic or mental issues.
@@sashajoachims5840 No they didn't. The choice was in getting pregnant or not getting pregnant. A choice everyone still has. If you don't want a kid you should probably decide that... BEFORE you make a kid.
@ruaraidh74 classic thought process of someone who treats pregnancy as a punishment for someones irresponsibility. Yes, lets keep making irresponsible people raise children because we want to empathize for something thst doesn't have feelings. You are also turning a blind eye to the amount of abuse and control over women that exists. MANY women don't chose this. Quit protecting the idea of a human at the extreme expense of a living human with actual feelings.
How many people suffer terribly for their whole life, because they were born into situations, that didn't actually provide the circumstances for it at all? And how many of them become addicts and/or commit suicide? Or simply suffer in silence until they die? It's cruel, unbelievably cruel. Don't get kids if they don't get a chance to live a mostly good life.
I think it’s important to realize that it doesn’t matter how good someone has it, unfortunately people will suffer regardless throughout life. That’s the darkness of life. You can’t have light without darkness. It isn’t far to play the judge, jury, and executioner, leaving any unborn baby without the opportunity to become a successful being. There are no statistics on babies who could have been potentially murdered being suicidal or born into awful situations. These are not parallels. There is no question that the government needs to do more to provide resources to individuals and families to support mental wellness and development. But in the same token one could say that it is unbelievably cruel to abort a fetus (for the sake of it being inconvenient) to alleviate its potential suffering because you are also denying any potential of that child to flourish and experience the beauty and light that can also come from existence itself.
@gabrielleambrose8657 It's important to realize that it DOES matter very, VERY much, how good or bad people have it because there is a huge difference in the amount of suffering. Your post is ignorant and it shows where you are coming from. No offense, it's just too human, sadly.
@gabrielleambrose8657 sounds like some of these people want income thresholds before someone is aloud to have children. All of these statements about poverty.....drugs.....homelessness.....they automatically assume that life for a baby born in a poor home is going to, undoubtedly have a terrible life. Maybe these folks need to take in a different perspective....like....I dont know....love the child....its notnjust about buying them things or having a giant TV. The #1 most important thing you can do as a parent is love your child. Children can do without a lot of the material things we think they need amd grow up ok....love and feeling actually wanted they cannot do without.
I am an old woman (68) and have had one of each; one abortion, one miscarriage, and one live birth (who is now 36). The abortion was emotionally disturbing because I wanted it but really no way to take care of it (very young and one night stand). The miscarriage was the most emotional disturbing. I was very fortunate to have abortion legally available in my case (Washington in 1973). I can't imagine what my life would be like if I hadn't. I am sure it would have grown up very poor.
Hi, I also had a legal abortion in 1973. I have thought over and over about how my life would have been different. However during the 3rd month of the pregnancy I developed severe complications that could have killed me. I couldn't have children due to a blood defect. Thank you for your telling your experience. It's important for everyone to know.
@@ruaraidh74You celebrate your birthday the day you are born. Not the day you were conceived. A woman has a right to their own body autonomy and what they want to do with their body. Your circumstances are different from any human being on this planet. You are not the one who would raise the child. The one who gave birth would.
Thank you, Diana, brilliant research and talk! I hope you (the US) get this issue sorted pronto! Getting pregnant at 16 was devastating, taking my own life or running away was on the table. I will forever remain grateful to the Norwegian state for my right to choose an abortion -- without having to tell my parents -- and for the Norwegian health service to care for me at such an early age. I've never regretted MY CHOICE one. single. day.
@@rager4able The collective wisdom of the medical community is that abortion is essential healthcare. You can’t pick and choose what science you want to champion.
Help support mandatory DNA testing and stop paternity fraud. It is a human right to know if someone is or is not your child. It is also a national health issue.😊
C'mon it is NOT a health issue...it is a morals issue. It is definitely a sexual responsibility issue. GOD creates life..through a man and a Woman..and that baby was created with a purpose. An abortion destroys the purpose they were sent here for.
In a healthy law, your case would have been considered an exception. In general, it's not the general women populations experience. Stats say most abortions are financial reasons, then not being ready, and third already haven children. Abuse and medical emergencies tend to be near the end since the 80s, in the latter, because of newer medical treatments.
people in this comment are so dense lmao, like who are you to govern over other people’s choices. they have their own problem, not you, look in the mirror cuz this ain’t about you.
@@MrSnivvel The freedom of personal choice has long been an American value. The government should not infringe upon people’s human rights, nor restrict their access to essential healthcare.
@@alexwyatt2911 Every country has restrictions on personal choice and has since the concept of nation-states has been around. Having an abortion is not a human right nor is it essential healthcare; it's a lifestyle choice that's trying to cover the consequence of poor life choices that were freely chosen by women with full agency over their lives.
Why do people care if a stranger gets an abortion? Are they bored? It’s really strange. Maybe it’s just a political thing. Either way is creepy and pointless. Like who cares? You don’t know these people.
Why do people care if a stranger bans abortion? Are they bored? It's really strange. Maybe it's just a political thing. Either way is creepy and pointless. Like who cares? You don't know these people.
@@ruaraidh74 Restricting people from accessing essential healthcare is not equivalent to your creepy hyper fixation about the personal healthcare decisions made by total strangers.
Why do people care if a stranger gets murdered? Are they bored? It’s really strange. Maybe it’s just a political thing. Either way is creepy and pointless. Like who cares? You don’t know these people.
Some years back, I had a dream which still haunts me. In the dream, abortion was completely outlawed in my state, Kentucky--no exceptions, not even health reasons. In fact, in the dream, any pregnant person with a life-threatening complication was required to receive end-of-life care in hospice until the baby was born or until the pregnant person died, whichever came first. The dream played out in part like a television news report, and the focus was on a 10-year-old rape victim who was heavily pregnant. She was a tiny, blonde-haired girl who could barely carry the extra weight. She knew that she wouldn't survive childbirth. She kept saying, in tears, that she didn't want to die. I have since written a poem about this, called "The Little Madonna." I dare someone to brush this off as a "false narrative." Far from. It's already happened, far too many times. While it's unlikely that anyone will spend their pregnancy in hospice (as if the politicians putting bans in place would actually care that much 😒), there will be far too many people lost to abortion restrictions, many of whom are children who will meet the same fate as the little girl in my dream. Abortion bans will cost more lives than they will save, and no one seems to understand that.
There are pros and cons to getting an abortion. Women are smart enough to make those hard decisions and have a right to their own body. It might upset them? Finding out they are pregnant already upset them!
women do indeed have a right to their own body and to make their own decisions, as long as that doesn’t mean harming another human body, which in this case it does.
@@FunTylerVids Through the slightly-convoluted syntax, & a bit of verbal trickery, I hear you saying that you are AGAINST all abortion. Is that not your meaning?
@@FunTylerVidswell, no matter what, the women should still have the final say as long as that fetus is connected to the woman’s body. No one should be forced to give birth. Since when were humans allowed to have full control of other humans organs they were born with?
@@fashionbabytumbler0 The uterus has the sole purpose of carrying the child. Don't compare it to random other organs with other functions, unless you want to keep being intellectually dishonest. No matter what, a mother should never have the final say over whether or whether not she can murder her child.
This lady gave a wonderfully detailed reason for why ladies seek abortion. Thank you Ma'am. So glad my Mom raised me to be pro-choice as did I raise my daughters. They are 24 & almost 27 and neither have kids (I'm very proud of them).
May I ask why you are proud that your daughters don't have kids? I'm not saying you need to have kids, of course, but what is the reason that not having kids makes you proud?
@mgutierrez98 they focused on their careers and they don't want kids so why have what you don't want?? I'm not raising grandkids so unless they decide they want them and will raise them, it's best they remain childless. I WILL NOT raise anyone else's kids for them. I raised mine so I'm DONE!!!!!!!
As a woman who was denied an abortion and coerced into motherhood and pregnancy, I stand by my statement, PRO CHOICE AND PROUD!!!
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May God protect children from mothers with this attitude. From killing to neglect, to abuse. Worst is abortion. What pride? To kill 40 million innocent preborn children worldwide this year? That's all wars put together in a decade! Pride? Darkness, sin, evil, the old demon has blinded your sight. May God wake you up sometime soon.
I was in Romania in 1990 when after 25 arduous years of oppression, the notoriously cruel and murderous dictator Ceaușescu was deposed as the people revolted. The world was horrified by the images that emerged from the countless orphanages, overflowing with babies and children, many of whom were infected with HIV/AIDS. Crammed into rusty, cage-like cots, the hollow eyed victims of a tyrannical ban on contraception and abortion, told of their desperate hunger, not only for nourishment, but also medicines, attention and love. An eerie silence echoed the would-be cries, that these victims of one man's campaign of terror, knew would go unanswered. Many had parents who were unable to feed their existing brood. Condemned to an existence knowing only suffering and pain, Ceausescu's children saw their mothers die, forced to seek dangerous illegal back street abortions. Driven into abject poverty, families knew their daughters faced the same perilous fate. We ignore history at our own peril. There's no reason why the consequences of America's war on female bodily autonomy should turn out any differently. They need to heed the warning and stand together now, before it's too late and the world turns their backs on a nation, too afraid to stand up for what is right for this generation and the many yet to come.
Stfu it wasn’t because of abortion or contraception it was because of a dictators bad leadership. The Us had abortion banned since forever there wasn’t a problem.
If we start recognizing the trauma that‘unintended childbirth’ causes to the mother, we might have to start addressing how traumatic‘intended childbirth’ is. Then, we’ll have a real problem.
just like all the "unintended pregnancy" that so many women get sleeping around. Don't make me get into that statistics of of reason for abortions....incest and rape are under 1% of reasons.
But 'intended childbirth' is much less likely to be traumatic! Because then it is your decision to go through it! It's a sacrifice you make for something you strongly believe in! It's like donating an organ to a loved one to save their life compared to being kidnapped and robbed of an organ without giving consent.
@@xRockycherrYx that’s true, but it isn’t the point I intended to make. I’m saying, although ‘unintentional pregnancy’ is worse than an intentional one, the ‘intentional pregnancy’ is probably sufficiently traumatic that it would require public addressing if we acknowledged the trauma. Im also implying that the way we would have to address it as a community would not be fun.
@@alexwyatt2911 That's how human life works, starting in our mother's womb. You're trying to say humans don't have a right to live...the way humans live?
@@travisjohnson7065 What I said was no one has the right use and/or occupy a person’s body-especially against their will. Are you saying that you don’t understand that?
@@alexwyatt2911 And like I said, that is literally the exact way human life works. Human life starts by occupying our mother's body. So you're trying to argue that humans don't have a right to live in accordance with normal human life? Their "will" is irrelevant. The human right to life doesn't depend on whether or not someone else wants you alive or dead.
MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control nonsense. In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant. No contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time. However, sometimes there is negligence with it's use from both men and women.
It should only be used to complement contraception as a second line of defense. No form of contraception is completely safe. In the U.S. if contraception was used by all couples not wanting a child there would be way fewer abortions. Especially with black women there's a huge potential to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
Would you consider doing a similar study about the difference between men who did become fathers when they didn't want to or hadn't planned it versus those who didn't?
Banning abortions also hurts people who have a wanted pregnancy. It criminalises miscarriages and denies access to healthcare, resulting in loss of fertility, disability and death.
@hankova14 I know, but there is no way to tell whether someone had a miscarriage or an illegal abortion. That's why women get sued or imprisoned in states/countries with heavy restrictions on abortion access.
@@annabauer5889 Determining the cause of death may require a forensic and gynecological examination of the woman, along with an autopsy of the fetus. It is quite unrealistic tho, which is why the sale and distribution of abortion tablets should be severely punished.
@@annabauer5889 Determining the cause may require a forensic and gyn examination of the woman, along with an autopsy of the fetus. It is quite unrealistic tho, which is why the sale and distribution of abortion tablets should be banned.
@@annabauer5889 Yes it may require a forensic and gyn exam of the woman, along with an autopsy of the fetus. Quite unrealistic. It would be easier to ban all tablets.
So sad, this has shocked my view on abortion. I'm glad my mom didn't abort me. Could have been justified at the time considering we were pooping in a bucket the first 11 years of my life. It wasn't until my father Jack came along and worked our way out of poverty. Even though it wasn't his swimmer who birthed me! He set the foundation of who I am today. Unfortunately not everyone has the opportunity of having a father and strong leader. I wish the U.S. had the money to repair infrastructure to take care of these children.
@@Griexxtjudging from the comments, they look at the title, click on, leave some ignorant comment, then click off. They're not watching. They came here to argue because "aBoRtiOn bAd" and "fReE sPeECh" 🙄
As for putting a baby for adoption…they end up in the overloaded foster care system…most age out..angry…abused…unloved…look at the past of the Parkland School shooter!!!
Your value doesnt stem from your wantedness. So many people grow up in terrible circumstances, their lives arent less valuable. Adoption is an option. You choose to do the ONE action that creates a human life. you were once in a womans body but you are not her, you are your own being with a consciousness that can experience this universe for what it is. the fetus resides in a womans body temporarily so it can protect itself and direct its own growth but it isnt her property. A human being is no ones property. Dont have s3x if you dont want children.
@@alexandrawhitelock6195 Babies in the adoption system don't spill over into the foster system wtf that's not how it works. America has a severe baby shortage our adoption system is overloaded with PARENTS waiting to adopt (3:1 for every baby). Get your news from somewhere else stop drinking the bathwater.
What if we forced people to donate kidneys. Sure, some might die on the operating table, but we have people living that wouldn't have existed without that kidney... One can believe you're morally obliged to give birth if you have a developing embryo inside you. But it's crazy to put it into law. Bodies aren't public property
The analogy between kidney donation to a patient and uterus donation to a child is false. The difference is that the kidney is intended for you, while the uterus is not. The fetus has emerged in the uterus through your body's biological processes and is in its natural environment. The kidney user has nothing to do with you. Moreover, as a mother, you have a moral obligation to provide shelter and food (i.e. the uterus during pregnancy) for your child. If you refuse to do so, you will be held accountable. There is no moral obligation torwards a kidney recipient.
@@Blue-5 If what you say were true, your moral obligation could change daily, depending on how you feel about your child that day. But it's the contrary. You are responsible for your child no matter what feelings you have for them.
@@hankova14 You are missing one thing Thats not your child , its unwanted mistake that was never supossed to happen . This is most likely the case if you have an abortion Its not the same as making a child because you wanted it , and then having an abortion because of a random change in feelings / desires with no actual reason behind them . YOU wanted this , you wanted to have a child Unlike an abortion , where you never wanted it or you found out about birth defects that made you want to end it
What's the value? The adoption rate is low, no one cares about kids. Some people don't need to have children either, look at the statistics 1 in 7 children (mainly girls) are abused.
Genuinely respect her for giving the example of her maternal grandmother. She knows that had the grandma took the abortion, she wouldn't have been born and a chance to even be close to the grandma. But at the same time, this chance of being close with the grandma also made her realize how much opportunities her grandma had to sacrifice to even just to get her mother to be born. Abortion is immoral but at the same time, the rights of mother should be prioritized over the right of this unborn human who is living off of her body. Nonetheless, there should be some sorts of regulation like fine or social services especially for the cases of repeated abortions that could have been avoided.
I think that's the point. This is such a difficult issue and the whole situation is difficult to begin with. America does not give free contraception here. Mine (that I take for another medical reason too) costs $195 a month without insurance. Even with insurance it was very hard to get them to approve it. Using other types of birth control make me physically ill.
Imagine an underaged sexual assault victim that gets complications and now in some states can be told that basically she'd now just need to die to protect the fetus that won't live outside her body anyway. Better luck in next life, I guess.
@@thrillyria Except that happens in 0 cases but good job coming up with the saddest, most absurd extenuating circumstance to justify a blanket rule of abortion on demand for all 9 months of pregnancy. Are you cool with banning all abortions except in the case of underaged SA? No? Then you're committing a red herring fallacy. Simple as
@ruaraidh74 Problem is, abortion is used for many reasons and is needed. When a pregnancy is terminated at late stage, it is very rarely to a never something that the expectant mother wants to do. At that stage they're already expecting to start a life with a newborn. It is done because it needs to be done. For medical reasons. Abortion is a procedure that is also used in cases where there's complications to the pregnancy, a miscarriage or previously performed abortion. In these cases it's also medically needed to prevent further damage. In some states delay of care due to uncertainty of how the law will treat healthcare professionals and if they'll be able to definitively prove that the mother's life is in dangerous, has already caused irreparable damage. Some states also have no exceptions for rape, incest or underaged pregnancies. So children who have experienced a massive trauma now have to continue experiencing the trauma of a pregnancy that is in no way wanted or that they're ready for. Did you know that children as young as 9 or 10 years old can be fertile? Thus at this moment, a 9 year old can be forced to carry out a pregnancy that was caused by her own family member raping her. You're just cool with that? Abortion is also needed when the fetus is found to be deformed and to have no chance of living after birth. It is also used in cases where parents find out that the child's life would be likely very short and sickly. The US healthcare and social service system isn't good enough to help everyone. Some people lack the insurance and resources to survive circumstances like these. Until a better and more affordable security network for cases like these is established, it is nothing but cruel to demand people to face a financial and personal ruin for something that will always be deemed to live a painful and short life. Remember, these people also most likely wanted the pregnancy. Cruel is also forcing the underaged children to risk their lives and suffer huge trauma. Cruel is telling others that abortion is something people just do on a whim because they want to. Majority of abortions are not done because they're wanted. They're done because they're needed.
@@thrillyria Late stage abortions are done overwhelmingly for convenience. The exact same reasons as earlier term abortions. See Guttmacher Institute "Who seeks abortions at or after 20 weeks"
@@thrillyria Abortion is NOT performed in the case of a miscarriage. That is called "completing a miscarriage" and is done in hospitals around the country, in all 50 states. Meanwhile only 2% of hospitals allow abortions and 93% of OB/GYNs outright refuse to perform abortions for any reason. Ask any obstetrician or consult any medical textbook. Abortion is not listed as a treatment for ANY illness or pregnancy complication. I have an obstetrics background and I can tell you "abortion" was not even a single part of our education.
What's a shame is that, in the 21st century, a modern country can't assist women who have found themselves in a predicament. We spend billions or more on entertainment, but not on the safety and well-being of women? I find our use of the term "unwanted pregnancy" a little too convenient--doesn't that term itself suggest where the problem actually lies?
Pro-choice means full-spectrum care for mother and child, including supporting families in poverty to prevent abortion due to economic reasons alone, and including peer sexual health education to young people to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Late-term abortions are rare and occur when the life of the mother is at risk and the fetus is not viable. Let the woman decide, let the couple decide, trust them and trust their doctor to provide the care that protects their reproductive freedom in the future. Practically this is where the whole world is heading. Very vocal and very argumentative exchanges with anti-abortion proponents don't get far because the conversation never get to facts but stay stuck in semantics. Those who are very good at semantics but not good at empathy and not good at practical facts will win the "debate" every time (ex. Ben Shapiro is a very loud example of this). Fact: full spectrum care prevents abortions and maximize quality of life for mothers and their children. Anti-abortion just puts women's lives in danger.
A baby is a very young child, especially an infant. A developing cell group ie: blastocyst, zygotes, 16mm embryo, and a semi-formed fetus or deceased fetus, are not infants/babies or fully developed people. Developing cells are alive, but have no personhood - especially if this developing cell group are using a host body to survive at the host's expense. It is better to terminate unwanted/unplanned pregnancy as soon as possible. Mifepristone is no different in effect than a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion). The only difference between miscarriage and medically induced abortion is choice and the host organism has a right to make that choice. The above statistics are world wide, and only increases when abortion is made illegal. A sensible option would be a 12-15 week window and/or immediate intervention if the mother's life is endangered. More education and access to contraception for both males and females is needed for prevention. The anti-abortionists want to control women's choices for full bodily autonomy via disingenuous tactics and illogical arguments. I don't have a right to use one of your kidney's without your consent and neither does a group of developing cells have a right to use a host body without the host's consent. There are thousands of miscarriage occurring world wide and 1st trimester abortions aren't much different. If you take away choice then it becomes coercion and a form of forced birth and the outcomes of said coercion and forced birth are generally poor, in spite of the rose-tinted glass stories that get bandied about by pro-lifers. Generally, anti-abortion arguments are from those who never have to face the difficult choice or procedures or the life-long genetic connection to unwanted off-spring.
There are always exceptions to people being assaulted, but having it so anyone can sleep with whomever they want and just kill a baby because they thought "I have the right" is horrible
As a voter, you have a choice. Do you ban abortions because of the tiny percentage of women who do this and make legal the horrific trauma stories of the other women who need healthcare, or do you keep abortion legal because keeping those women from suffering or dying is more important, but know that a tiny percentage of women make lousy choices? My preference is to not codify guaranteed suffering of women who are already having the worst day of their lives when an ultrasound reveals their baby never developed a skull.
How about instead of putting tax dollars to abortion we put those tax dollars to help support the baby. If someone gets pregnant though a one night stand they should be able to give the baby to the government
Abortion is a form of sacrifice. You sacrifice one being for your future. Child sacrifice to be exact. If a mother was given the remains of the aborted baby the way she would recoil should be proof enough that it is inherently wrong. If she knew what gender the feotus was or the fact that it had hands at such an early stage would honestly make anyone reconsider their actions. Sadly people will never understand this.
“If the mother was given the remains” You do understand that in a medical abortion, which is the majority, the mother has to push said remains out along with the placenta?
sadly you will never understand that life isn't black and white. there are so many scenarios where that sacrifice is necessary and makes sense for that woman's life.
And you think the women don't know that? If my kid needed my kidney to live and I chose to let the kid die (because maybe I have 3 other kids), we both would probably be horrified. But there's no way any sane person would ask the government to force me to give up my kidney.
None of this really matters at the end of the day. It’s a black and white issue. Either it is a human baby in the womb, in which case abortion is murder, or it’s not a baby and women can do what they want. Mental health of the woman, the child’s chances of a happy life, etc are all ridiculous arguments intended to distract from the fact that science tells us it is a human baby and therefore should be entitled to human rights. To all you pro choicers, try to refute my argument without bringing up some other emotionally appeasing side argument like the examples I gave. That’s right, you can’t because it’s true. A baby is a an independent human life from the moment of conception. You don’t get to kill other kids or adults because they are living a bad life or someone else’s mental health is at stake.
An unwanted baby is an indepent human being that uses your body without your permission to grow and survive A bacteria also uses your body to grow and survive without your permission and its not part of your body If curing a bacterial infection is not considered murder , then neither should abortion It doesnt even matter if the fetus is a human or not , a parasite is a parasite Its not your body , but it uses your body without permission Your body , your choice Easy
I prefer to give rights to a fully developed human instead of something that is not yet a human. Also, it’s not my place as a man to tell a woman what she does with her body (yes, HER body). The fetus is completely dependent on its mother and is part of the woman’s body via the umbilical cord until it is born. All that being said, a fully developed human should have the right to decide what happens over a fetus. I’ll pose this question to you: Is it murder to pull the plug on a family member who’s attached to a machine at the hospital? My answer is quite obviously NO, and the same logic should apply to abortion.
After enduring multiple sad and unnecessary political ads while trying to watch football, my 9 year old son and I began to talk about abortion. My brilliant boy responded with the logic we should all consider. “If people say it’s ok to kill an unborn baby, what would stop them from killing anyone else who wasn’t wanted.”He gets it! When we dehumanize preborn children, we will eventually change the standard for others whose existence is inconvenient.
@@aoife0804 Half of the children aborted are already living, feeling women. They are simply small, unseen and voiceless. We love women in our family and abortion hurts women.
If you deny people abortions you force them to take responsibility for their actions and not use humans as human sacrifices because of lack of accountability
Tell that to a raped 10 yo child who hadn’t even had her first menstrual cycle. And simply, if you don’t want an abortion, then by all means don’t. But to deny the procedure to another whose life may depend on it is evil and the antithesis of “pro life”. The one who is pregnant also has a life and a heartbeat and is at a fully developed stage of life exceeding that of a cell cluster or an embryo, which is when most terminations occur. You’re imagining a “human”; what you actually have is a potential human, a maybe baby, IF the pregnancy progresses instead of miscarrying as 25% of pregnancies do. And you, just like the politicians who make these laws, have no medical training and have no right to determine how another should live her life, or indeed if she should get to live it at all.
@@jandrews6254 Although incredibly disqusting things happen(like the sa you mentioned) , what you mentioned is such a low possibility and espically should'nt excuse the rest of abortions , and for the rest of your argument , fetus (unborn humans) are alive and not a cell cluster , they ARE a human with potential , they have a genetic code that will never exist and never has existed before , seperate from the mother. The dehumanizing words that you so strictly use are evidence of the lack of understanding beside the lack of acceptance and responsibility that is present in the pro abortion community. For the last part of your so called "argument" how is it suppression to place a law on someone? How is the law against abortion dissimilar to a law banning cocaine , after all what you put in your body should be your choice right?
@@Jozyrose A baby is a very young child, especially an infant. A developing cell group ie: blastocyst, zygotes, 16mm embryo, and a semi-formed fetus or deceased fetus, are not infants/babies or fully developed people. Developing cells are alive, but have no personhood - especially if this developing cell group are using a host body to survive at the host's expense. It is better to terminate unwanted/unplanned pregnancy as soon as possible. Mifepristone is no different in effect than a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion). The only difference between miscarriage and medically induced abortion is choice and the host organism has a right to make that choice. The above statistics are world wide, and only increases when abortion is made illegal. A sensible option would be a 12-15 week window and/or immediate intervention if the mother's life is endangered. More education and access to contraception for both males and females is needed for prevention. The anti-abortionists want to control women's choices for full bodily autonomy via disingenuous tactics and illogical arguments. I don't have a right to use one of your kidney's without your consent and neither does a group of developing cells have a right to use a host body without the host's consent. There are thousands of miscarriage occurring world wide and 1st trimester abortions aren't much different. If you take away choice then it becomes coercion and a form of forced birth and the outcomes of said coercion and forced birth are generally poor, in spite of the rose-tinted glass stories that get bandied about by pro-lifers. Generally, anti-abortion arguments are from those who never have to face the difficult choice or procedures or the life-long genetic connection to unwanted off-spring.
One argument against that she said, the quote doesnt say one would hurt more or less than the other, just that one would cause harm.......her study as described doesnt refute that. Edit @5:16 Got worse twice so far, 1) it uses data that is self reprted and doesnt have objective fact behind it, AND it seems the variable of having a child to deal with or not is not accounted for...meaning more than 1 variable.....you habe to account for that either by removing it (using women who chose to give up for adoption) or the data is meaningless @5:37 Keeping in mind, ik for abortion with reasonable limits.....comparing, has an extra mouth to feed vs doesnt is apples to oranges...and again, misleading..I hope this improves...I would be greatly interested in a study that removed variables AND had non self reporting data to back it up
@sillybillymcdilly Very concerning. Since it's EXTREMELY hard to justify that. The question arises when does a baby become worth the same as a birthed child? Heartbeat? Brain activity? Viability? Mother dependency? It quickly becomes a subjective idea variable to each individual's opinion. By contrast, the stance taken by Pro-lifers is very definitive and therefore very defensible; which is, life begins at conception, therefore full adult human rights are owned by said child.
It’s unfortunate that Republicans are trying to make abortion illegal. There’s no point in having laws that work against self-interest. As someone who is conservative, I believe abortion is effective in reducing the population of those more likely to vote for liberal policies. The demographics that tend to support them are significantly more likely to get abortions, which has had an impact on various communities and continues to do so today. In fact, the Democrats might have been stronger if abortion had not been widely available, so I don’t fully understand their strong support for it. I hope the Republican Party eventually considers this perspective. The republicans may be unintentionally weakening themselves in the long term.
@7:33 come on, 100%!? That’s extremely fishy. Look at abortion videos on TH-cam and there are tons of comments from women saying they regret it. So this study is messed up if it’s 100%.
Actually no since not everyone feels the same way so there are women who are likely happy with having had an abortion like there are women who regret it and she is discussing wanted abortions not unwanted
@@neigeepierrot4694what she actually says is “we followed those who were denied abortions and over 95% of those who had it said it was the right decision”. What she’s saying doesn’t make sense to me. So they were denied the abortion but they had it illegally anyway? I don’t understand what’s she’s saying. And then the chart is not titled in enough detail and says all women. No matter how I look at it, the chart, nor what she is saying have any merit because if it’s all women like the chart says, the number can’t be 100% as indicated in the graph based on sheer probability. If she’s talking about people who had the abortion after being denied, well that must be a very small subset of people so it wouldn’t have bearing on the larger issue.
Cherry-picked data to support her fragmented argument. I’ve seen countless women deeply regretting their abortion. I’ve seen women have difficulty conceiving after their abortion. I’ve seen adults who were failed abortions. I’ve heard of planned parenthood workers leaving the death cult and some struggle mentally while others decided to end themselves. It’s all there, but no one is willing to look or listen because they want to defend their lifestyle and convenience.
@ okay though I don’t think she is cherry picking since you can be right and so can she I don’t think they contradict since I see how women can regret not having an abortion and regret having one
@@neigeepierrot4694 If you don’t think she is cherry-picking, you must know the other side of the data set. Which pro-life content, documentaries, talks have you listed to. I’m already here on the pro-choice side looking at their perspective, so this is how I can tell her talk is far from the truth.
One other explanation for your assumptions: You studied two groups of women, those who wait until it's too late vs those who do not. How are their lives likely to play out? I could have told you this before the study. This is a contrast in personal awareness not received/denied care. All women who did not receive care were too late. ie less aware of themselves. Don't show us any of data, the study or where to find it. Just throw out all your assumptions and act like it's "conclusive"
I would rather spend my aging years supporting my daughter and grandson than to never have had a chance to know him. I will always be grateful and feel blessed for him. I'll leave all my money to him when I die, however much it is. It's sad grandparents seen too greedy to help. That's the problem. Generations only care about their cruises and their big houses that are empty.
Abortion is the termination or intentional causing of death of an unborn child in utero. It is requested by the mother or parent of an underage female. I'm not sure why the mothers or women who are for the death of their own offspring always have forums to justify and persuade others into thinking that abortion is acceptable just because the child is developing in her body? Abortion by any other name is murder of one's child. I know people who were molested and got pregnant by step fathers or from rape. They carried the child and love the child or gave it up for adoption. I know women who have had abortions and are now unable to have children or suffer from depression because they know that they killed their own child. Reasons given to justify like rape, incest or medically necessary abortions for atopic pregnancy are a very low rate. Let's just be honest. Many women don't have abortions for medical necessity. If there's something wrong and the baby isn't viable, a miscarriage will occur. Many women have abortions because they simply don't want the child. There is no law or medical facility with the acception of an abortion center that will refuse medical care for a woman after having an abortion, so that is a lie. Abortion is like any other decisions in life. If a woman has an abortion, it is a personal choice that she will have to live with for the rest of her life, but don't try to pull others into thinking it's ok. If I kill an innocent adult, I will go to jail. If a person kills a woman who is pregnant, they are charged for both deaths.
I'm glad you agree that it is a personal choice. I will also acknowledge that abortion involves the killing of human life. If the woman can live with it depends on her beliefs and values. For some it is not a big deal. Religion can be a risk factor, though. In my country, abortion is legal up to week 12 after the last period and it is best to act as swiftly as possible to catch the new life at an early stage.
A baby is a very young child, especially an infant. A developing cell group ie: blastocyst, zygotes, 16mm embryo, and a semi-formed fetus or deceased fetus, are not infants/babies or fully developed people. Developing cells are alive, but have no personhood - especially if this developing cell group are using a host body to survive at the host's expense. It is better to terminate unwanted/unplanned pregnancy as soon as possible. Mifepristone is no different in effect than a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion). The only difference between miscarriage and medically induced abortion is choice and the host organism has a right to make that choice. The above statistics are world wide, and only increases when abortion is made illegal. A sensible option would be a 12-15 week window and/or immediate intervention if the mother's life is endangered. More education and access to contraception for both males and females is needed for prevention. The anti-abortionists want to control women's choices for full bodily autonomy via disingenuous tactics and illogical arguments. I don't have a right to use one of your kidney's without your consent and neither does a group of developing cells have a right to use a host body without the host's consent. There are thousands of miscarriage occurring world wide and 1st trimester abortions aren't much different. If you take away choice then it becomes coercion and a form of forced birth and the outcomes of said coercion and forced birth are generally poor, in spite of the rose-tinted glass stories that get bandied about by pro-lifers. Generally, anti-abortion arguments are from those who never have to face the difficult choice or procedures or the life-long genetic connection to unwanted off-spring.
@Paraphrase1-Z9 don't attempt to condescend to me. I know what a fetus in utero means. Incidentally, in Latin it me unborn child or the developmental stages of a human in utero. At what point do you think a woman is carrying a human? Is it at or after birth because Democrats want to kill it then as well. You can mix words and justify any action that you may have taken but ultimately, a woman is carrying her offspring and if it the pregnancy is terminated by any other means unless the mother is in mortal danger is murder. Make yourself feel better with your long diatribe, it is still murder. If an assailant kills a pregnant woman and both die, it is ruled as double murder or homicide; depending on the extenuating circumstances. Your conscious and your logic doesn't a thing.
@@Paraphrase1-Z9 Thanks for this great summary of a sensible position. Personally, I think 12 weeks can be enough in practice, but this applies in a country where abortion is readily available without undue delay (like in my country, Switzerland).
What about the baby's rights? Here's what I got out of this video: Abortion doesn't harm mental health. Childbirth is more dangerous than abortion. Denying abortions harms women. finances, children, relationships, life aspirations Trust women.
@@JustinCarter do you want to say that sperm is a human being too? It contains the same DNA, it is organic matter, it _can_ evolve into a human - so sperm must be human too, mustn't it?
I'm a 61 year old male. I've raised 4 girls and had two wives. Reliable birth control and legalized abortion have been introduced in our culture at about the same time. From what I can tell, it seems to me, things are not going well, particularly, in our social and relationship areas. I am a retired educator and part of that new-found boogey man, The White Protestant Male. I've lived in California my whole life and will soon be moving to another state. IMHO, the US we currently inhabit, in 50 years, will have split in two with conservatives forming a new nation. I have my grandsons move there. Thanks for reading.
I had an abortion years ago, a was pro choice but a am healing from it and from my abusieve ex man and a know that i was wrong. I have taken a baby's life at 11weeks with an abortion, it had an heartbeat, it did not diserve to be killed. My ex man did want te baby but a could not do it bicus of the way he treated me.
Putting aside being pro or anti, does anyone else find it strange that the love we feel towards our children is never mentioned? How, unless you're suffering from some psycopathy, every person loves their child once they are here. Even the ill equiped parents... ? I feel that was intentionally omitted. Kind of weird. If we are going to talk about it, lets talk about all of it. Real truth on both sides. Not carefully worded sales pitches.
I mean the love I have for my dog is beyond what most people feel for their children. But I would never force someone who didn’t want a dog to get one. Of course, that would only end in tragedy and suffering. Many women forced to have a child against their will will likely experience poverty and even infanticide.
@@ruaraidh74 that it is not true that everyone loves their childs. They don't need to psycho to do it. The aunt of my friend can't stand her child younger than 4 years old. And she is not crazy or something. But everyone has an opinion ☺️
Foster would not be live, nor had the chance to build an obviously loving and caring relationship with her grandmother had that grandmother been able to sbort her mother. Is Foster suggesting that her mother and her own lives are not worthbthe struggles her grandmother experienced? ALL mothers (and fathers) struggle, even happily and financially stable ones. What is utterly lost in this TED talk is the unquantifiable value of human life and the disregard for that life if it is unborn.
No she is saying Everyone deserves a choice since it isn’t offensive to admit that her grandmother would have raised her mother differently if she was forced to give birth not decide too so she would be different
We are NOT saying unborn life is worthless. But what could GRANDMA have achieved for herself? What was her life worth before this situation? Most people who are prochoice are not baby haters. Many of us have kids, love kids, etc. But we also know the history of women before abortion was legalized. It's... not great.
@@elijahobviously1288 Why does it matter so much to you what a woman does with her own body? You can disagree with abortion but it has got nothing to do with you.
@Sam-pd9mp Actually you can. You can just waltz right into any hospital and ask them to treat you. Pretty cool. What other question did you have? Happy to answer for you.
Let me first state in an event of tape or incest yes abortion should be legal but, thats it. Let me give you an example , if I robbed a pregnant women and caused her to lose that child everyone would be up in arms saying I should be charged with murder due to the loss of said child right, well if yourgoing to charge me for death of unborn child shouldn't people who give or allow abortions face the same charges for murder. Murder is murder no.matter how you want to twist it to fit your needs right . If you don't want to get pregnant maybe you should use birth control instead of trying to legalize murder to suit your needs
All of these arguments are valid only if you believe that the unborn child has no right to live. I believe that unborn children do have a right to live, just like you do. If you don't believe that unborn children have the right to live, ask yourself why not.
An unwanted child is a parasite - Its not part of your body - Uses your body to grow and survive - Its not wanted there Does it have a right to live ? Probably ... but so does a bacteria , if all life is valuable But a parasite is a parasite
@@Blue-5 a rock also is not made of living tissue. A rock does not have its own unique DNA. A rock is not in a natural process of growth that will develop a mind as well many other things. No matter how you look at it, abortion intentionally denies life to a developing fetus. THAT IS MURDER, THAT AND IN ITSELF.
@@DanielHogendoorn Firstly it's not a child and second you would feel differently if you were a woman and had to actually go through with pregnancy and labour.
A baby is a very young child, especially an infant. A developing cell group ie: blastocyst, zygotes, 16mm embryo, and a semi-formed fetus or deceased fetus, are not infants/babies or fully developed people. Developing cells are alive, but have no personhood - especially if this developing cell group are using a host body to survive at the host's expense. It is better to terminate unwanted/unplanned pregnancy as soon as possible. Mifepristone is no different in effect than a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion). The only difference between miscarriage and medically induced abortion is choice and the host organism has a right to make that choice. A sensible option would be a 12-15 week window and/or immediate intervention if the mother's life is endangered. More education and access to contraception for both males and females is needed for prevention. The anti-abortionists want to control women's choices for full bodily autonomy via disingenuous tactics and illogical arguments. I don't have a right to use one of your kidney's without your consent and neither does a group of developing cells have a right to use a host body without the host's consent. There are thousands of miscarriage occurring world wide and 1st trimester abortions aren't much different. If you take away choice then it becomes coercion and a form of forced birth and the outcomes of said coercion and forced birth are generally poor, in spite of the rose-tinted glass stories that get bandied about by pro-lifers. Generally, anti-abortion arguments are from those who never have to face the difficult choice or procedures or the life-long genetic connection to unwanted off-spring. Have a nice day troll.
Abortion is morally wrong and should be banned period. Who give a f about ur “rights”. Ik many people that weren’t supposed to be healthy babies and are living a great life rn
God, thank you for loving parents in abounding grace and today, I pray that they come to you with all of the decisions that they need to make. In Jesus name. Amen 🙏 Thank you.
Unless the guaranteed supports are available for both the mother and the CHILD, abortion should be available. My life as a result of not being aborted is terrible! Some women should not have children. Period.
As far as I no abortion was left up to each state not the government people have too get out and vote in their state how they want the abortion laws in their state no more letting the government control. The abortion laws in each state
Most people live believing "1 + 1 =2". Life is much more complicated. Try "1 + 1 = 3", make it work. You'll learn along the way. We are all just tomorrows' photograph in a dusty album.
If you are PRO LIFE: In places where abortion is illegal, the rate of abortions is HIGHER and mothers die between 5-13% of the time getting these abortions. So the end result is MORE PEOPLE DIE when abortion is illegal. And the ways they die are HORRIBLE. Perhaps, after all this arguing, we should address what causes people to want abortions in the first place. If we fixed that, I bet you abortion would drastically drop. This is a REAL solution we do NOT have to argue about.
@@Paraphrase1-Z9 You're the guy who doesn't read the textbook and then types out a word salad to impress the teacher 😂 literally everything you said was wrong. There's no such thing as a "developing cell group". That's not a real biology term. All life on earth is made of cells, including human beings. Before ~23, those clusters of cells known as "human beings" are still developing. Pregnant mothers are not "hosts". They do not have parasites. Parasitism is a form of symbiosis where one organism is harmed and the other is benefited. Symbiosis requires two organisms from two distinct species. One cannot be the offspring of another in a parasitic relationship. Furthermore, reproduction is the biological purpose of organisms. It is the opposite of "harm". "Personhood" is not a biological term, nor is it a legal one. Why you decided to juxtapose it with with your pseudoscientific word salad is beyond me. The "morning after pill" (levanorgestrel) is not an abortion. It's not the same as RU-486 ie. mifepristone, which is an antiglucocorticoid and an antiprogestogen. lmk if you want me to keep going. This is really low effort stuff.
I have heard both sides on the spectrum make their arguments, pro-life and pro-choice. Both make some convincing valid points and can make one think ...... I pretty much yield to the left at this point of my life, but on the topic of abortion, I guess I'm in the middle. Both sides are quite persuasive and convincing.........
I was one this fence myself until conceding that the unborn are entitled to the same right to life as we are. At that point it’s murder and all murder is wrong.
As Mr. Spock would say, "Your statement is illogical"--i.e., you would not be here to have those sentiments had your embryo been aborted, and of course, there would still be billions of people having experiences equally-marvelous to yours.
@@markthorson6656 Nice non-sequitur. She didn't say anything about whether or not she would "be here" to have the sentiment. You can say the same thing about killing anybody. It doesn't justify killing them or in any way invalidate their argument. Maybe you should spend less time larping as a space alien and more time actually studying propositional logic.
@@group555_ When did "his logic" include "if you don't adopt babies you're part of the problem"?? That's not a valid argument you just invented premises that don't exist. There are at least 3 sets of parents waiting to adopt for every single baby in the adoption system. America has a massive baby shortage they don't need more adopters.
I wonder if in her study it did a follow up on the children as well, to see how they are doing: the dead ones and the alive ones, maybe there would some some statistically significant difference between the groups.
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I work in the medical field. Abortions are never a happy event. But neither is hospice care, child abuse cases or doing CPR on a small child. The reality is......... That sometimes there are no good out comes, no matter what you choose. Some times when you practice medicine, you & your patients have to make hard decisions, & abortion...is one of them.
That's why abortion must not be off the table, regardless of how hard it is. The perils of childbirth are sometimes much harder for the mother is it is for the child to be. It's about unburdening the mother of unintended pregnancy and sparing the potential child a life of suffering when the circumstances to raise a child in an adequate hospitable environment are absent
But not saving thier lives... That's not an option
Abortion kills twice. It kills the body of the baby and it kills the conscience of the mother. Abortion is profoundly anti-woman.
@@thehuntress8850 Killing a baby has nothing to do with medicine. You're in the medical field and you know that abortion is never medically necessary.
Only thing I would add - abortion can indeed affect your mental health. It is not a fun, easy thing to do. I still get sad thinking about it - but if had carried on with the pregnancy, I would have been much, much worse mentally, physically and economically
Killing a baby is easier on your mental health then putting him/her into a loving family?
@ruaraidh74 If the refusal of your body to the not viable is considered killing, you're a killer. You refuse your body to the not viable daily. Go to jail, I guess. Please don't be illogical for emotional bait.
Killing your child was so bad for your mental health that it makes you think having the child would have been worse.
@mikaelkasike854 again, refusal of your body to the not viable can't count as a crime with malicious intent or we would all be in prison. There's not enough cells dude.
@@freedomishavingachoice3020 again, nobody is saying otherwise. He's talking about conceiving and subsequently killing human beings, not refusing someone's body to someone else. Try arguing with someone in the room, Nancy.
My grandma told me once how important it is to remember what life was like for women before abortion was legal and effective birth control was available. Women had to make horrific choices between children they couldn’t support or were unwanted and ineffective home remedies and unsafe illegal abortions. The conservatives who believe they have the right to be the moral enforcers of the US are pro birth, not pro life because they consider food assistance, adequate education and other interventions to be socialism, rather than social services that would result in healthier and more productive adults. These are the same people who are willing to commit vast resources to military spending, prisons & militarized police forces.
@@sashajoachims5840 not like the old days now thank goodness,but there are better options than abortion which is barbaric, I'm referring to the morning after pill.
@@Shine-p2u you are entitled to your opinion but it’s not ok to take the right to an opinion away from someone else because you don’t agree with their decision. This issue is so much more complex than just the right to terminate a pregnancy too. St least some of the states that have decided to outlaw abortion are also making the morning after pill illegal and petitioning neighboring states to uphold the abortion laws of a woman’s home state and threatening medical providers & women with criminal charges & jail time! Not to mention that unfortunately the issue isn’t just whether or not women have the right to terminate a pregnancy but apparently states with abortion bans have interpreted ‘abortion’ to include the medical procedures to help a woman survive following the spontaneous death of a pre-term fetus that doesn’t naturally expel or a mother and viable fetus survive the death of one fetus from a set of twins. Yes abortion is something that everyone has strong emotional and moral feelings about. It is ok to not believe abortion is moral and that you would never get one but we can’t know what circumstances exist to cause a woman to contemplate such a personal & painful decision. I can almost guarantee that the majority of women who have terminated a pregnancy didn’t do it because they wanted to, and certainly didn’t feel good about it. I would even argue that many of them may have even told themselves they would never make that choice until they found themselves in circumstances they never imagined. I expect many of them mourn the child and will remember the loss for the rest of their life but for many different complicated and personal reasons they didn’t feel like they had any other option. The morning after pill isn’t always an option, what if someone is using a birth control method and it unexpectedly fails or someone can’t get to a pharmacy or clinic in the right window of time? I wish all pregnancies were wanted & all children were born healthy into functional & loving families and no woman ever had to make what may very well be the most difficult & painful decision of her life but that isn’t how life works and it is unacceptable for anyone to think they have the right to make that decision for anyone else.
So do you think there are no resources to help pregnant women and unwanted pregnancies. There are foundations and associations that are always receiving donations quite literally everywhere. And if you are unable to find those resources locally, I’m sure you could travel somewhere or move where those resources are readily available. Why should we get to assign value to life based off economic or mental reasons. It’s selfish and dehumanizing. Imagine your a mother of 3 and you lost your job. Should you be able to kill one of your children so you can make more money. Most coherent and normal people would say no. So how is this any different inside the womb. Why should we kill humans because they might potentially have a hard or difficult life financially. This is a product of laziness and our generation is constantly putting themselves before anyone else. If we keep living with this mindset, I’m afraid we’re down a terrible path as Americans. We need to understand the consequences of our actions and accept them. Murdering humans should never be the answer to economic or mental issues.
@@sashajoachims5840 No they didn't. The choice was in getting pregnant or not getting pregnant. A choice everyone still has. If you don't want a kid you should probably decide that... BEFORE you make a kid.
@ruaraidh74 classic thought process of someone who treats pregnancy as a punishment for someones irresponsibility. Yes, lets keep making irresponsible people raise children because we want to empathize for something thst doesn't have feelings. You are also turning a blind eye to the amount of abuse and control over women that exists. MANY women don't chose this. Quit protecting the idea of a human at the extreme expense of a living human with actual feelings.
How many people suffer terribly for their whole life, because they were born into situations, that didn't actually provide the circumstances for it at all? And how many of them become addicts and/or commit suicide? Or simply suffer in silence until they die? It's cruel, unbelievably cruel. Don't get kids if they don't get a chance to live a mostly good life.
I think it’s important to realize that it doesn’t matter how good someone has it, unfortunately people will suffer regardless throughout life. That’s the darkness of life. You can’t have light without darkness. It isn’t far to play the judge, jury, and executioner, leaving any unborn baby without the opportunity to become a successful being. There are no statistics on babies who could have been potentially murdered being suicidal or born into awful situations. These are not parallels. There is no question that the government needs to do more to provide resources to individuals and families to support mental wellness and development. But in the same token one could say that it is unbelievably cruel to abort a fetus (for the sake of it being inconvenient) to alleviate its potential suffering because you are also denying any potential of that child to flourish and experience the beauty and light that can also come from existence itself.
@gabrielleambrose8657 It's important to realize that it DOES matter very, VERY much, how good or bad people have it because there is a huge difference in the amount of suffering. Your post is ignorant and it shows where you are coming from. No offense, it's just too human, sadly.
All children should be wanted. You are right that's not the way it is now.
@@leagarner3675
Please clarify. Was it different a long time ago?
@gabrielleambrose8657 sounds like some of these people want income thresholds before someone is aloud to have children. All of these statements about poverty.....drugs.....homelessness.....they automatically assume that life for a baby born in a poor home is going to, undoubtedly have a terrible life.
Maybe these folks need to take in a different perspective....like....I dont know....love the child....its notnjust about buying them things or having a giant TV.
The #1 most important thing you can do as a parent is love your child. Children can do without a lot of the material things we think they need amd grow up ok....love and feeling actually wanted they cannot do without.
I am an old woman (68) and have had one of each; one abortion, one miscarriage, and one live birth (who is now 36). The abortion was emotionally disturbing because I wanted it but really no way to take care of it (very young and one night stand). The miscarriage was the most emotional disturbing. I was very fortunate to have abortion legally available in my case (Washington in 1973). I can't imagine what my life would be like if I hadn't. I am sure it would have grown up very poor.
Translation: You had 3 children. You killed the first one. The second one died tragically. And the third is a healthy 36 year old today.
Hi, I also had a legal abortion in 1973. I have thought over and over about how my life would have been different. However during the 3rd month of the pregnancy I developed severe complications that could have killed me. I couldn't have children due to a blood defect. Thank you for your telling your experience. It's important for everyone to know.
@MikeJJJ existing is not everything.
@MikeJJJ Who really knows. In my family, they could have been a junkie, killer, child abuser, or thief, or all of them.
@@ruaraidh74You celebrate your birthday the day you are born. Not the day you were conceived. A woman has a right to their own body autonomy and what they want to do with their body. Your circumstances are different from any human being on this planet. You are not the one who would raise the child. The one who gave birth would.
Thank you, Diana, brilliant research and talk! I hope you (the US) get this issue sorted pronto!
Getting pregnant at 16 was devastating, taking my own life or running away was on the table. I will forever remain grateful to the Norwegian state for my right to choose an abortion -- without having to tell my parents -- and for the Norwegian health service to care for me at such an early age. I've never regretted MY CHOICE one. single. day.
Most biologists say life starts at conception, do / did you believe you ended your child’s life?
@@rager4able The collective wisdom of the medical community is that abortion is essential healthcare. You can’t pick and choose what science you want to champion.
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Most? According to who?
@@TeamAwesomeDad just google when the consensus say life begins.
@@alexwyatt2911 What disease does abortion treat? I'll wait.
Thank you for highlighting this public health issue, this is the truth that needs to be talked about!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏❤
An abortion is not considered successful unless a human being dies. It is, by definition, NOT healthcare.
Help support mandatory DNA testing and stop paternity fraud. It is a human right to know if someone is or is not your child. It is also a national health issue.😊
@@ThomasMgtow-jq4fb I agree. Paternity tests should be mandatory with each pregnancy.
C'mon it is NOT a health issue...it is a morals issue. It is definitely a sexual responsibility issue. GOD creates life..through a man and a Woman..and that baby was created with a purpose. An abortion destroys the purpose they were sent here for.
@@jessscott what did the baby do to deserve having it’s entire life robbed from it?
I was abused at 12. Now tell me if a 12 years old girls shouls be forced to endure pregnancy and birth the disgusting result of rape. No. Just no.
Hey, thanks for your experiences and I hope you have made many happy moments since then. You deserve them. 👏
In a healthy law, your case would have been considered an exception. In general, it's not the general women populations experience. Stats say most abortions are financial reasons, then not being ready, and third already haven children. Abuse and medical emergencies tend to be near the end since the 80s, in the latter, because of newer medical treatments.
In a healthy law, the rapist would have been punished, and whether or not you chose abortion would be up to you.
I don’t believe you.
@@rager4able Your words are as ugly as your heart.
people in this comment are so dense lmao, like who are you to govern over other people’s choices. they have their own problem, not you, look in the mirror cuz this ain’t about you.
Who do you think the government is comprised of and gets its power from? The people, including those in the comment section you're addressing.
Should the government not care about mass murderers? It is their choice after all. Should we just let them run rampant? I mean “this isn’t about you”.
@@MrSnivvel The freedom of personal choice has long been an American value. The government should not infringe upon people’s human rights, nor restrict their access to essential healthcare.
@@alexwyatt2911 Individual liberty does not include the liberty to kill another person.
@@alexwyatt2911 Every country has restrictions on personal choice and has since the concept of nation-states has been around. Having an abortion is not a human right nor is it essential healthcare; it's a lifestyle choice that's trying to cover the consequence of poor life choices that were freely chosen by women with full agency over their lives.
Why do people care if a stranger gets an abortion? Are they bored? It’s really strange. Maybe it’s just a political thing. Either way is creepy and pointless. Like who cares? You don’t know these people.
Why do people care if a stranger bans abortion? Are they bored? It's really strange. Maybe it's just a political thing. Either way is creepy and pointless. Like who cares? You don't know these people.
@@ruaraidh74 Restricting people from accessing essential healthcare is not equivalent to your creepy hyper fixation about the personal healthcare decisions made by total strangers.
Why do people care if a stranger gets murdered? Are they bored? It’s really strange. Maybe it’s just a political thing. Either way is creepy and pointless. Like who cares? You don’t know these people.
@@Duude125 Oh, please. You don’t give af about other people.
@@alexwyatt2911 That's your contention to prove, Socrates. If your argument presupposes you being right then it's a bad argument😂
Some years back, I had a dream which still haunts me.
In the dream, abortion was completely outlawed in my state, Kentucky--no exceptions, not even health reasons. In fact, in the dream, any pregnant person with a life-threatening complication was required to receive end-of-life care in hospice until the baby was born or until the pregnant person died, whichever came first.
The dream played out in part like a television news report, and the focus was on a 10-year-old rape victim who was heavily pregnant. She was a tiny, blonde-haired girl who could barely carry the extra weight. She knew that she wouldn't survive childbirth. She kept saying, in tears, that she didn't want to die.
I have since written a poem about this, called "The Little Madonna."
I dare someone to brush this off as a "false narrative." Far from. It's already happened, far too many times. While it's unlikely that anyone will spend their pregnancy in hospice (as if the politicians putting bans in place would actually care that much 😒), there will be far too many people lost to abortion restrictions, many of whom are children who will meet the same fate as the little girl in my dream. Abortion bans will cost more lives than they will save, and no one seems to understand that.
wow, and yk whats scary? all states can completely outlaw abortion, this can happen more and more.
In reality abortion is never medically necessary.
There are pros and cons to getting an abortion. Women are smart enough to make those hard decisions and have a right to their own body. It might upset them? Finding out they are pregnant already upset them!
Well said!
women do indeed have a right to their own body and to make their own decisions, as long as that doesn’t mean harming another human body, which in this case it does.
@@FunTylerVids Through the slightly-convoluted syntax, & a bit of verbal trickery, I hear you saying that you are AGAINST all abortion. Is that not your meaning?
@@FunTylerVidswell, no matter what, the women should still have the final say as long as that fetus is connected to the woman’s body. No one should be forced to give birth. Since when were humans allowed to have full control of other humans organs they were born with?
@@fashionbabytumbler0 The uterus has the sole purpose of carrying the child. Don't compare it to random other organs with other functions, unless you want to keep being intellectually dishonest. No matter what, a mother should never have the final say over whether or whether not she can murder her child.
This lady gave a wonderfully detailed reason for why ladies seek abortion. Thank you Ma'am. So glad my Mom raised me to be pro-choice as did I raise my daughters. They are 24 & almost 27 and neither have kids (I'm very proud of them).
May I ask why you are proud that your daughters don't have kids? I'm not saying you need to have kids, of course, but what is the reason that not having kids makes you proud?
She never used one fact.
@mgutierrez98 they focused on their careers and they don't want kids so why have what you don't want?? I'm not raising grandkids so unless they decide they want them and will raise them, it's best they remain childless. I WILL NOT raise anyone else's kids for them. I raised mine so I'm DONE!!!!!!!
As a woman who was denied an abortion and coerced into motherhood and pregnancy, I stand by my statement, PRO CHOICE AND PROUD!!!
May God protect children from mothers with this attitude. From killing to neglect, to abuse. Worst is abortion. What pride? To kill 40 million innocent preborn children worldwide this year? That's all wars put together in a decade! Pride? Darkness, sin, evil, the old demon has blinded your sight. May God wake you up sometime soon.
Or why not pro responsibility? Why does death come first....
yes girl!! pro choice and pound!
73 million worldwide actually , shockingly and disgustingly
I was in Romania in 1990 when after 25 arduous years of oppression, the notoriously cruel and murderous dictator Ceaușescu was deposed as the people revolted. The world was horrified by the images that emerged from the countless orphanages, overflowing with babies and children, many of whom were infected with HIV/AIDS. Crammed into rusty, cage-like cots, the hollow eyed victims of a tyrannical ban on contraception and abortion, told of their desperate hunger, not only for nourishment, but also medicines, attention and love. An eerie silence echoed the would-be cries, that these victims of one man's campaign of terror, knew would go unanswered. Many had parents who were unable to feed their existing brood. Condemned to an existence knowing only suffering and pain, Ceausescu's children saw their mothers die, forced to seek dangerous illegal back street abortions. Driven into abject poverty, families knew their daughters faced the same perilous fate. We ignore history at our own peril. There's no reason why the consequences of America's war on female bodily autonomy should turn out any differently. They need to heed the warning and stand together now, before it's too late and the world turns their backs on a nation, too afraid to stand up for what is right for this generation and the many yet to come.
We don't have that problem here. In fact, couples have to adopt foreign babies because they have to wait years for an American baby.
@@JohnJ-ke1sz about 113,589 children in the United States were waiting to be adopted 7 Nov 2023.
@@Paraphrase1-Z9children understanding what circumstances???
Thank you for getting the truth out there! Please keep doing so! The terrible reality of draconian State-Forced false "pregnancy"
Stfu it wasn’t because of abortion or contraception it was because of a dictators bad leadership. The Us had abortion banned since forever there wasn’t a problem.
I was a foster mother for newborns, I had them for about 3 months, EVERY NEWBORN GET ADOPTED.
If we start recognizing the trauma that‘unintended childbirth’ causes to the mother, we might have to start addressing how traumatic‘intended childbirth’ is. Then, we’ll have a real problem.
just like all the "unintended pregnancy" that so many women get sleeping around. Don't make me get into that statistics of of reason for abortions....incest and rape are under 1% of reasons.
But 'intended childbirth' is much less likely to be traumatic! Because then it is your decision to go through it! It's a sacrifice you make for something you strongly believe in! It's like donating an organ to a loved one to save their life compared to being kidnapped and robbed of an organ without giving consent.
Maybe make your decision to have children before you make the decision to engage in the behavior that creates them
@@xRockycherrYx that’s true, but it isn’t the point I intended to make. I’m saying, although ‘unintentional pregnancy’ is worse than an intentional one, the ‘intentional pregnancy’ is probably sufficiently traumatic that it would require public addressing if we acknowledged the trauma. Im also implying that the way we would have to address it as a community would not be fun.
And why is that a problem? Dont you think women should know what theyre signing up for?@@jay3898
About 287 000 women died during and following pregnancy and childbirth in 2020.
Most in low income countries. The outcomes are lower for those who can access good medical intervention.
@@Paraphrase1-Z9the US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed nation
@@jessicamotte7992 Yes. It's going to get worse with the new laws.
These figures are worldwide, and most from low-income countries.
I didnt know that
Denying abortions could destroy lives of many women out there. Women must have choice.
I wasn't getting rid of my baby.. I thank God for being the center of my life and the reference in my decision
That was your choice
@jandrews6254 That's what I said.....
It's very surprising actually it's not how only one human being is considered here and the other one is not 😢
In the end, it is every womans right what she would want to do. Nobody gets to decide that! ... I loved this video!!
Which woman? Does the woman in the womb get the right to choose what happens to her?
@@ruaraidh74 No one has the right to choose whether or not they get to use/occupy another person’s body. That’s not a thing. Let it go.
@@alexwyatt2911 That's how human life works, starting in our mother's womb. You're trying to say humans don't have a right to live...the way humans live?
@@travisjohnson7065 What I said was no one has the right use and/or occupy a person’s body-especially against their will. Are you saying that you don’t understand that?
@@alexwyatt2911 And like I said, that is literally the exact way human life works. Human life starts by occupying our mother's body. So you're trying to argue that humans don't have a right to live in accordance with normal human life?
Their "will" is irrelevant. The human right to life doesn't depend on whether or not someone else wants you alive or dead.
Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control.
MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control nonsense. In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant. No contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time. However, sometimes there is negligence with it's use from both men and women.
That's your opinion.
It should only be used to complement contraception as a second line of defense. No form of contraception is completely safe.
In the U.S. if contraception was used by all couples not wanting a child there would be way fewer abortions. Especially with black women there's a huge potential to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
Yes it should, because sometimes pregnancy happens accidentally
This is not a religious dictatorship. Abortion should be healthcare
killing innocent children is healthcare?
Abortion kills twice. It kills the body of the baby and it kills the conscience of the mother. Abortion is profoundly anti-woman.
No it should not, and the overwhelming majority of abortions have nothing to do with the health of either the mother or the baby.
Would you consider doing a similar study about the difference between men who did become fathers when they didn't want to or hadn't planned it versus those who didn't?
Banning abortions also hurts people who have a wanted pregnancy. It criminalises miscarriages and denies access to healthcare, resulting in loss of fertility, disability and death.
A miscarriage is not an abortion.
@hankova14 I know, but there is no way to tell whether someone had a miscarriage or an illegal abortion. That's why women get sued or imprisoned in states/countries with heavy restrictions on abortion access.
@@annabauer5889 Determining the cause of death may require a forensic and gynecological examination of the woman, along with an autopsy of the fetus. It is quite unrealistic tho, which is why the sale and distribution of abortion tablets should be severely punished.
@@annabauer5889 Determining the cause may require a forensic and gyn examination of the woman, along with an autopsy of the fetus. It is quite unrealistic tho, which is why the sale and distribution of abortion tablets should be banned.
@@annabauer5889 Yes it may require a forensic and gyn exam of the woman, along with an autopsy of the fetus. Quite unrealistic. It would be easier to ban all tablets.
Beautiful ted talk❤
It's a disgusting Ted talk justifying baby murder🚬🗿
you are beautiful
;p
Tell that to the dead baby lol, wild
All humans are valuable
So sad, this has shocked my view on abortion. I'm glad my mom didn't abort me. Could have been justified at the time considering we were pooping in a bucket the first 11 years of my life. It wasn't until my father Jack came along and worked our way out of poverty. Even though it wasn't his swimmer who birthed me! He set the foundation of who I am today. Unfortunately not everyone has the opportunity of having a father and strong leader. I wish the U.S. had the money to repair infrastructure to take care of these children.
All these statistics pale in comparison to the ending of a life.
Bold of you to assume pro-life folk watch TED talks.
Sometimes I go to Kristan Hawkins fans and let em know data that doesn't confirm their bias exsists. That's fun.
Looking at the comments, they do.
@@Griexxtjudging from the comments, they look at the title, click on, leave some ignorant comment, then click off. They're not watching. They came here to argue because "aBoRtiOn bAd" and "fReE sPeECh" 🙄
@@airenmarie1250 I didn't think of that, you're probably right.
TED has became Left-wing propaganda, just look at their recent uploads, I don’t blame them 😅
Support abortion and womens choices
Especially the baby’s choice
@@SInfante What baby
As for putting a baby for adoption…they end up in the overloaded foster care system…most age out..angry…abused…unloved…look at the past of the Parkland School shooter!!!
What about the past of hundreds of kids who didn’t end up being school shooters??
Your value doesnt stem from your wantedness. So many people grow up in terrible circumstances, their lives arent less valuable. Adoption is an option.
You choose to do the ONE action that creates a human life. you were once in a womans body but you are not her, you are your own being with a consciousness that can experience this universe for what it is. the fetus resides in a womans body temporarily so it can protect itself and direct its own growth but it isnt her property. A human being is no ones property.
Dont have s3x if you dont want children.
@@alexandrawhitelock6195 Babies in the adoption system don't spill over into the foster system wtf that's not how it works. America has a severe baby shortage our adoption system is overloaded with PARENTS waiting to adopt (3:1 for every baby). Get your news from somewhere else stop drinking the bathwater.
The most discussed topic shouldn't be if should or shouldn't be legal, but rather, how can we avoid the pregnancy to start in the first place!
This ted talk is gold👏🏻
Does this study account for the mental, physical, or socioeconomic differences between the babies born vs those aborted?
Those that were aborted don't exist. Those that were born as a result of a forced birth, usually have poorer outcomes in life.
True
What if we forced people to donate kidneys. Sure, some might die on the operating table, but we have people living that wouldn't have existed without that kidney... One can believe you're morally obliged to give birth if you have a developing embryo inside you. But it's crazy to put it into law. Bodies aren't public property
The analogy between kidney donation to a patient and uterus donation to a child is false. The difference is that the kidney is intended for you, while the uterus is not. The fetus has emerged in the uterus through your body's biological processes and is in its natural environment. The kidney user has nothing to do with you. Moreover, as a mother, you have a moral obligation to provide shelter and food (i.e. the uterus during pregnancy) for your child. If you refuse to do so, you will be held accountable. There is no moral obligation torwards a kidney recipient.
@@hankova14 You have no moral obligation to raise a child you never wanted .
@@Blue-5 If what you say were true, your moral obligation could change daily, depending on how you feel about your child that day. But it's the contrary. You are responsible for your child no matter what feelings you have for them.
@@hankova14 You are missing one thing
Thats not your child , its unwanted mistake that was never supossed to happen . This is most likely the case if you have an abortion
Its not the same as making a child because you wanted it , and then having an abortion because of a random change in feelings / desires with no actual reason behind them .
YOU wanted this , you wanted to have a child
Unlike an abortion , where you never wanted it or you found out about birth defects that made you want to end it
@@Blue-5 Whether you wanted a child or it's a whoopsie, it's biologically yours.
While she tells a valid story, she's disregarding the value of the babies aborted. God help us
What's the value? The adoption rate is low, no one cares about kids. Some people don't need to have children either, look at the statistics 1 in 7 children (mainly girls) are abused.
@@shitakke4823 by the time women reach adulthood/college it's something like 4/6 have been sexually abused...
And France put the right of abortion into their constitution.
As they should 🙏
I never though world would end up like this
Killing babies is wrong.
Same thing with killing animals and plants, but people still do it. What’s your point?
What babies?
@@BloodyEyezNMascaraA human beings life and value is more valuable than plants.
This is extemely important research.
We need to make it easier for pregnant women to get jobs
Its just a matter of opinion and beliefs. Something shouldnt be banned based on beliefs and opinions. Thats it.
Not everyone follows your religion though.
Does anybody realize there's more Choices to prevent pregnancy than there is Choices to have an abortion? It's 2024.Let's get real and accountable
Does anyone realize there is no 100% effective form of contraception? Even tubal ligation and vasectomies can heal on their own, making you a parent.
Genuinely respect her for giving the example of her maternal grandmother. She knows that had the grandma took the abortion, she wouldn't have been born and a chance to even be close to the grandma. But at the same time, this chance of being close with the grandma also made her realize how much opportunities her grandma had to sacrifice to even just to get her mother to be born.
Abortion is immoral but at the same time, the rights of mother should be prioritized over the right of this unborn human who is living off of her body. Nonetheless, there should be some sorts of regulation like fine or social services especially for the cases of repeated abortions that could have been avoided.
I think that's the point. This is such a difficult issue and the whole situation is difficult to begin with. America does not give free contraception here. Mine (that I take for another medical reason too) costs $195 a month without insurance. Even with insurance it was very hard to get them to approve it. Using other types of birth control make me physically ill.
You’re talking a lot about the woman’s health. But never once mentioned the negative impacts on the baby.
Imagine an underaged sexual assault victim that gets complications and now in some states can be told that basically she'd now just need to die to protect the fetus that won't live outside her body anyway. Better luck in next life, I guess.
@@thrillyria Except that happens in 0 cases but good job coming up with the saddest, most absurd extenuating circumstance to justify a blanket rule of abortion on demand for all 9 months of pregnancy.
Are you cool with banning all abortions except in the case of underaged SA? No? Then you're committing a red herring fallacy. Simple as
@ruaraidh74 Problem is, abortion is used for many reasons and is needed. When a pregnancy is terminated at late stage, it is very rarely to a never something that the expectant mother wants to do. At that stage they're already expecting to start a life with a newborn. It is done because it needs to be done. For medical reasons.
Abortion is a procedure that is also used in cases where there's complications to the pregnancy, a miscarriage or previously performed abortion. In these cases it's also medically needed to prevent further damage. In some states delay of care due to uncertainty of how the law will treat healthcare professionals and if they'll be able to definitively prove that the mother's life is in dangerous, has already caused irreparable damage.
Some states also have no exceptions for rape, incest or underaged pregnancies. So children who have experienced a massive trauma now have to continue experiencing the trauma of a pregnancy that is in no way wanted or that they're ready for. Did you know that children as young as 9 or 10 years old can be fertile? Thus at this moment, a 9 year old can be forced to carry out a pregnancy that was caused by her own family member raping her. You're just cool with that?
Abortion is also needed when the fetus is found to be deformed and to have no chance of living after birth. It is also used in cases where parents find out that the child's life would be likely very short and sickly. The US healthcare and social service system isn't good enough to help everyone. Some people lack the insurance and resources to survive circumstances like these. Until a better and more affordable security network for cases like these is established, it is nothing but cruel to demand people to face a financial and personal ruin for something that will always be deemed to live a painful and short life. Remember, these people also most likely wanted the pregnancy.
Cruel is also forcing the underaged children to risk their lives and suffer huge trauma. Cruel is telling others that abortion is something people just do on a whim because they want to. Majority of abortions are not done because they're wanted. They're done because they're needed.
@thrillyria Problem is, literally everything you said is wrong. 100% all of what you said is total bullshit
@@thrillyria Late stage abortions are done overwhelmingly for convenience. The exact same reasons as earlier term abortions. See Guttmacher Institute "Who seeks abortions at or after 20 weeks"
@@thrillyria Abortion is NOT performed in the case of a miscarriage. That is called "completing a miscarriage" and is done in hospitals around the country, in all 50 states. Meanwhile only 2% of hospitals allow abortions and 93% of OB/GYNs outright refuse to perform abortions for any reason. Ask any obstetrician or consult any medical textbook. Abortion is not listed as a treatment for ANY illness or pregnancy complication. I have an obstetrics background and I can tell you "abortion" was not even a single part of our education.
What's a shame is that, in the 21st century, a modern country can't assist women who have found themselves in a predicament. We spend billions or more on entertainment, but not on the safety and well-being of women? I find our use of the term "unwanted pregnancy" a little too convenient--doesn't that term itself suggest where the problem actually lies?
Pro-choice means full-spectrum care for mother and child, including supporting families in poverty to prevent abortion due to economic reasons alone, and including peer sexual health education to young people to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Late-term abortions are rare and occur when the life of the mother is at risk and the fetus is not viable. Let the woman decide, let the couple decide, trust them and trust their doctor to provide the care that protects their reproductive freedom in the future. Practically this is where the whole world is heading. Very vocal and very argumentative exchanges with anti-abortion proponents don't get far because the conversation never get to facts but stay stuck in semantics. Those who are very good at semantics but not good at empathy and not good at practical facts will win the "debate" every time (ex. Ben Shapiro is a very loud example of this). Fact: full spectrum care prevents abortions and maximize quality of life for mothers and their children. Anti-abortion just puts women's lives in danger.
Don't kill, that ís not good for the baby to get killed
We need to reduce abortions to only ones done to save lives. Other than that I agree.
A baby is a very young child, especially an infant. A developing cell group ie: blastocyst, zygotes, 16mm embryo, and a semi-formed fetus or deceased fetus, are not infants/babies or fully developed people. Developing cells are alive, but have no personhood - especially if this developing cell group are using a host body to survive at the host's expense. It is better to terminate unwanted/unplanned pregnancy as soon as possible. Mifepristone is no different in effect than a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion). The only difference between miscarriage and medically induced abortion is choice and the host organism has a right to make that choice. The above statistics are world wide, and only increases when abortion is made illegal. A sensible option would be a 12-15 week window and/or immediate intervention if the mother's life is endangered. More education and access to contraception for both males and females is needed for prevention. The anti-abortionists want to control women's choices for full bodily autonomy via disingenuous tactics and illogical arguments. I don't have a right to use one of your kidney's without your consent and neither does a group of developing cells have a right to use a host body without the host's consent. There are thousands of miscarriage occurring world wide and 1st trimester abortions aren't much different. If you take away choice then it becomes coercion and a form of forced birth and the outcomes of said coercion and forced birth are generally poor, in spite of the rose-tinted glass stories that get bandied about by pro-lifers. Generally, anti-abortion arguments are from those who never have to face the difficult choice or procedures or the life-long genetic connection to unwanted off-spring.
You don’t have to belive in gravity or heat, you kniw how it works even you do not want. 🤷🏻♂️
There are always exceptions to people being assaulted, but having it so anyone can sleep with whomever they want and just kill a baby because they thought "I have the right" is horrible
It’s not always like that
@@neigeepierrot4694then how else is it?
@@mayramejia7464 rape victims and cases of incest and deadly pregnancy complications or lack of access to contraception
me when I make up a scenario
As a voter, you have a choice. Do you ban abortions because of the tiny percentage of women who do this and make legal the horrific trauma stories of the other women who need healthcare, or do you keep abortion legal because keeping those women from suffering or dying is more important, but know that a tiny percentage of women make lousy choices? My preference is to not codify guaranteed suffering of women who are already having the worst day of their lives when an ultrasound reveals their baby never developed a skull.
How about instead of putting tax dollars to abortion we put those tax dollars to help support the baby. If someone gets pregnant though a one night stand they should be able to give the baby to the government
Abortion is only part of the issue as we are seeing critical healthcare being withheld from women even when the fetus has perished naturally.
@@sashajoachims5840 Except we're not seeing that at all lol
um. do you understand what the foster care system is?
@@rebeccajones3458 Babies don't go in the foster care system they go in the adoption system.
Abortion is a form of sacrifice. You sacrifice one being for your future. Child sacrifice to be exact. If a mother was given the remains of the aborted baby the way she would recoil should be proof enough that it is inherently wrong. If she knew what gender the feotus was or the fact that it had hands at such an early stage would honestly make anyone reconsider their actions. Sadly people will never understand this.
“If the mother was given the remains”
You do understand that in a medical abortion, which is the majority, the mother has to push said remains out along with the placenta?
Yap yap yap
sadly you will never understand that life isn't black and white. there are so many scenarios where that sacrifice is necessary and makes sense for that woman's life.
And you think the women don't know that? If my kid needed my kidney to live and I chose to let the kid die (because maybe I have 3 other kids), we both would probably be horrified. But there's no way any sane person would ask the government to force me to give up my kidney.
People should NOT get the choice to kill their own children!!
Wrong. Women have the right to make choices about their own bodies.
@@aoife0804 what about the body that’s inside their body?
It's still her body, so it's still her choice.
@@aoife0804 not her body, not her choice.
@@PlagueNurseOpal You are wrong again
None of this really matters at the end of the day. It’s a black and white issue. Either it is a human baby in the womb, in which case abortion is murder, or it’s not a baby and women can do what they want. Mental health of the woman, the child’s chances of a happy life, etc are all ridiculous arguments intended to distract from the fact that science tells us it is a human baby and therefore should be entitled to human rights.
To all you pro choicers, try to refute my argument without bringing up some other emotionally appeasing side argument like the examples I gave. That’s right, you can’t because it’s true. A baby is a an independent human life from the moment of conception. You don’t get to kill other kids or adults because they are living a bad life or someone else’s mental health is at stake.
An unwanted baby is an indepent human being that uses your body without your permission to grow and survive
A bacteria also uses your body to grow and survive without your permission and its not part of your body
If curing a bacterial infection is not considered murder , then neither should abortion
It doesnt even matter if the fetus is a human or not , a parasite is a parasite
Its not your body , but it uses your body without permission
Your body , your choice
Easy
I prefer to give rights to a fully developed human instead of something that is not yet a human. Also, it’s not my place as a man to tell a woman what she does with her body (yes, HER body). The fetus is completely dependent on its mother and is part of the woman’s body via the umbilical cord until it is born.
All that being said, a fully developed human should have the right to decide what happens over a fetus.
I’ll pose this question to you: Is it murder to pull the plug on a family member who’s attached to a machine at the hospital? My answer is quite obviously NO, and the same logic should apply to abortion.
Well, then what about sperm? They are as humanly viable as the formative cells in an undeveloped embryo. Why isn't that under government control?
What a wonderful talk, and how interesting it is that the speaker's grandmother's are representative of her case study. Thank you for sharing.
We live in a broken world. Killing a defenseless child is wrong. And he will never change my mind on that.
People need to unburden Mother Earth and respect the purity of the human race by leaving immediately
After enduring multiple sad and unnecessary political ads while trying to watch football, my 9 year old son and I began to talk about abortion. My brilliant boy responded with the logic we should all consider. “If people say it’s ok to kill an unborn baby, what would stop them from killing anyone else who wasn’t wanted.”He gets it! When we dehumanize preborn children, we will eventually change the standard for others whose existence is inconvenient.
Ask your son why he cares about fetuses more than already living, feeling women.
@@aoife0804can one not care about both equally? 🙄
@@aoife0804 Half of the children aborted are already living, feeling women. They are simply small, unseen and voiceless. We love women in our family and abortion hurts women.
@@laurenbrenner1001 If that’s how you feel I’m sure you have adopted a lot of unwanted babies then…
@@aoife0804 Yes actually. Nice ad hominem fallacy.
If you deny people abortions you force them to take responsibility for their actions and not use humans as human sacrifices because of lack of accountability
Tell that to a raped 10 yo child who hadn’t even had her first menstrual cycle.
And simply, if you don’t want an abortion, then by all means don’t. But to deny the procedure to another whose life may depend on it is evil and the antithesis of “pro life”. The one who is pregnant also has a life and a heartbeat and is at a fully developed stage of life exceeding that of a cell cluster or an embryo, which is when most terminations occur. You’re imagining a “human”; what you actually have is a potential human, a maybe baby, IF the pregnancy progresses instead of miscarrying as 25% of pregnancies do.
And you, just like the politicians who make these laws, have no medical training and have no right to determine how another should live her life, or indeed if she should get to live it at all.
@@jandrews6254 Although incredibly disqusting things happen(like the sa you mentioned) , what you mentioned is such a low possibility and espically should'nt excuse the rest of abortions , and for the rest of your argument , fetus (unborn humans) are alive and not a cell cluster , they ARE a human with potential , they have a genetic code that will never exist and never has existed before , seperate from the mother. The dehumanizing words that you so strictly use are evidence of the lack of understanding beside the lack of acceptance and responsibility that is present in the pro abortion community. For the last part of your so called "argument" how is it suppression to place a law on someone? How is the law against abortion dissimilar to a law banning cocaine , after all what you put in your body should be your choice right?
The title of this video asks...what happens when we deny people abortions?....The answer is really very simple.... BABIES GET TO LIVE.
...at the expense of someone else's livelihood.
@@MusicReviewer1504 ...or convenience and lifestyle choices. Yes. Life vs. livelihood. It's a disgusting world we live in.
@@Jozyrose A baby is a very young child, especially an infant. A developing cell group ie: blastocyst, zygotes, 16mm embryo, and a semi-formed fetus or deceased fetus, are not infants/babies or fully developed people. Developing cells are alive, but have no personhood - especially if this developing cell group are using a host body to survive at the host's expense. It is better to terminate unwanted/unplanned pregnancy as soon as possible. Mifepristone is no different in effect than a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion). The only difference between miscarriage and medically induced abortion is choice and the host organism has a right to make that choice. The above statistics are world wide, and only increases when abortion is made illegal. A sensible option would be a 12-15 week window and/or immediate intervention if the mother's life is endangered. More education and access to contraception for both males and females is needed for prevention. The anti-abortionists want to control women's choices for full bodily autonomy via disingenuous tactics and illogical arguments. I don't have a right to use one of your kidney's without your consent and neither does a group of developing cells have a right to use a host body without the host's consent. There are thousands of miscarriage occurring world wide and 1st trimester abortions aren't much different. If you take away choice then it becomes coercion and a form of forced birth and the outcomes of said coercion and forced birth are generally poor, in spite of the rose-tinted glass stories that get bandied about by pro-lifers. Generally, anti-abortion arguments are from those who never have to face the difficult choice or procedures or the life-long genetic connection to unwanted off-spring.
these comments arent it lmao you're outing yourself
Sudden rise in accidental falling down the stairs and coat hanger sales skyrocket.
Falling down stairs? Really? Do you live in soap-opera world?
@@leagarner3675you missed his satire
"We need to legalize killing babies, otherwise baby killers might hurt themselves" - Aristotle or something
One argument against that she said, the quote doesnt say one would hurt more or less than the other, just that one would cause harm.......her study as described doesnt refute that.
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@5:16
Got worse twice so far, 1) it uses data that is self reprted and doesnt have objective fact behind it, AND it seems the variable of having a child to deal with or not is not accounted for...meaning more than 1 variable.....you habe to account for that either by removing it (using women who chose to give up for adoption) or the data is meaningless
@5:37
Keeping in mind, ik for abortion with reasonable limits.....comparing, has an extra mouth to feed vs doesnt is apples to oranges...and again, misleading..I hope this improves...I would be greatly interested in a study that removed variables AND had non self reporting data to back it up
You forgot the part where the child deserves to live
Correct
you forgot to mention that the potential child doesn't have the right to stay and grow inside an unwilling person's body 🩷
@sillybillymcdilly So we can dispose of ppl that are inconveniencing us?
@@dd-214 they're not people so no ☺️
@sillybillymcdilly Very concerning. Since it's EXTREMELY hard to justify that. The question arises when does a baby become worth the same as a birthed child? Heartbeat? Brain activity? Viability? Mother dependency? It quickly becomes a subjective idea variable to each individual's opinion. By contrast, the stance taken by Pro-lifers is very definitive and therefore very defensible; which is, life begins at conception, therefore full adult human rights are owned by said child.
It’s unfortunate that Republicans are trying to make abortion illegal. There’s no point in having laws that work against self-interest. As someone who is conservative, I believe abortion is effective in reducing the population of those more likely to vote for liberal policies. The demographics that tend to support them are significantly more likely to get abortions, which has had an impact on various communities and continues to do so today. In fact, the Democrats might have been stronger if abortion had not been widely available, so I don’t fully understand their strong support for it. I hope the Republican Party eventually considers this perspective. The republicans may be unintentionally weakening themselves in the long term.
@7:33 come on, 100%!? That’s extremely fishy. Look at abortion videos on TH-cam and there are tons of comments from women saying they regret it. So this study is messed up if it’s 100%.
Actually no since not everyone feels the same way so there are women who are likely happy with having had an abortion like there are women who regret it and she is discussing wanted abortions not unwanted
@@neigeepierrot4694what she actually says is “we followed those who were denied abortions and over 95% of those who had it said it was the right decision”. What she’s saying doesn’t make sense to me. So they were denied the abortion but they had it illegally anyway? I don’t understand what’s she’s saying. And then the chart is not titled in enough detail and says all women. No matter how I look at it, the chart, nor what she is saying have any merit because if it’s all women like the chart says, the number can’t be 100% as indicated in the graph based on sheer probability. If she’s talking about people who had the abortion after being denied, well that must be a very small subset of people so it wouldn’t have bearing on the larger issue.
Cherry-picked data to support her fragmented argument. I’ve seen countless women deeply regretting their abortion. I’ve seen women have difficulty conceiving after their abortion. I’ve seen adults who were failed abortions. I’ve heard of planned parenthood workers leaving the death cult and some struggle mentally while others decided to end themselves. It’s all there, but no one is willing to look or listen because they want to defend their lifestyle and convenience.
@ okay though I don’t think she is cherry picking since you can be right and so can she I don’t think they contradict since I see how women can regret not having an abortion and regret having one
@@neigeepierrot4694 If you don’t think she is cherry-picking, you must know the other side of the data set. Which pro-life content, documentaries, talks have you listed to. I’m already here on the pro-choice side looking at their perspective, so this is how I can tell her talk is far from the truth.
One other explanation for your assumptions: You studied two groups of women, those who wait until it's too late vs those who do not. How are their lives likely to play out? I could have told you this before the study.
This is a contrast in personal awareness not received/denied care.
All women who did not receive care were too late. ie less aware of themselves.
Don't show us any of data, the study or where to find it. Just throw out all your assumptions and act like it's "conclusive"
Thank you ❤
I would rather spend my aging years supporting my daughter and grandson than to never have had a chance to know him. I will always be grateful and feel blessed for him. I'll leave all my money to him when I die, however much it is. It's sad grandparents seen too greedy to help. That's the problem. Generations only care about their cruises and their big houses that are empty.
Wtf 😂😂
Abortion is the termination or intentional causing of death of an unborn child in utero. It is requested by the mother or parent of an underage female. I'm not sure why the mothers or women who are for the death of their own offspring always have forums to justify and persuade others into thinking that abortion is acceptable just because the child is developing in her body? Abortion by any other name is murder of one's child. I know people who were molested and got pregnant by step fathers or from rape. They carried the child and love the child or gave it up for adoption. I know women who have had abortions and are now unable to have children or suffer from depression because they know that they killed their own child. Reasons given to justify like rape, incest or medically necessary abortions for atopic pregnancy are a very low rate. Let's just be honest. Many women don't have abortions for medical necessity. If there's something wrong and the baby isn't viable, a miscarriage will occur. Many women have abortions because they simply don't want the child. There is no law or medical facility with the acception of an abortion center that will refuse medical care for a woman after having an abortion, so that is a lie. Abortion is like any other decisions in life. If a woman has an abortion, it is a personal choice that she will have to live with for the rest of her life, but don't try to pull others into thinking it's ok. If I kill an innocent adult, I will go to jail. If a person kills a woman who is pregnant, they are charged for both deaths.
I'm glad you agree that it is a personal choice. I will also acknowledge that abortion involves the killing of human life.
If the woman can live with it depends on her beliefs and values. For some it is not a big deal. Religion can be a risk factor, though.
In my country, abortion is legal up to week 12 after the last period and it is best to act as swiftly as possible to catch the new life at an early stage.
A baby is a very young child, especially an infant. A developing cell group ie: blastocyst, zygotes, 16mm embryo, and a semi-formed fetus or deceased fetus, are not infants/babies or fully developed people. Developing cells are alive, but have no personhood - especially if this developing cell group are using a host body to survive at the host's expense. It is better to terminate unwanted/unplanned pregnancy as soon as possible. Mifepristone is no different in effect than a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion). The only difference between miscarriage and medically induced abortion is choice and the host organism has a right to make that choice. The above statistics are world wide, and only increases when abortion is made illegal. A sensible option would be a 12-15 week window and/or immediate intervention if the mother's life is endangered. More education and access to contraception for both males and females is needed for prevention. The anti-abortionists want to control women's choices for full bodily autonomy via disingenuous tactics and illogical arguments. I don't have a right to use one of your kidney's without your consent and neither does a group of developing cells have a right to use a host body without the host's consent. There are thousands of miscarriage occurring world wide and 1st trimester abortions aren't much different. If you take away choice then it becomes coercion and a form of forced birth and the outcomes of said coercion and forced birth are generally poor, in spite of the rose-tinted glass stories that get bandied about by pro-lifers. Generally, anti-abortion arguments are from those who never have to face the difficult choice or procedures or the life-long genetic connection to unwanted off-spring.
@Paraphrase1-Z9 don't attempt to condescend to me. I know what a fetus in utero means. Incidentally, in Latin it me unborn child or the developmental stages of a human in utero. At what point do you think a woman is carrying a human? Is it at or after birth because Democrats want to kill it then as well. You can mix words and justify any action that you may have taken but ultimately, a woman is carrying her offspring and if it the pregnancy is terminated by any other means unless the mother is in mortal danger is murder. Make yourself feel better with your long diatribe, it is still murder. If an assailant kills a pregnant woman and both die, it is ruled as double murder or homicide; depending on the extenuating circumstances. Your conscious and your logic doesn't a thing.
@@Paraphrase1-Z9 Thanks for this great summary of a sensible position. Personally, I think 12 weeks can be enough in practice, but this applies in a country where abortion is readily available without undue delay (like in my country, Switzerland).
What about the baby's rights?
Here's what I got out of this video:
Abortion doesn't harm mental health.
Childbirth is more dangerous than abortion.
Denying abortions harms women.
finances, children, relationships, life aspirations
Trust women.
a baby does have rights
a fetus or a lump of cells - doesn't
@@magitrop5336Do you know the definition of "fetus"?
@@JustinCarter "an initial stage of development of a multicellular organism"
A stage is not always a result, fetus is not a human yet
@@magitrop5336 inside a pregnant woman a fetus is not human? What kind of fetus is it? A "clump" of what kind of cells?
@@JustinCarter do you want to say that sperm is a human being too? It contains the same DNA, it is organic matter, it _can_ evolve into a human - so sperm must be human too, mustn't it?
Ask women how they feel about this topic
I'm a 61 year old male. I've raised 4 girls and had two wives. Reliable birth control and legalized abortion have been introduced in our culture at about the same time. From what I can tell, it seems to me, things are not going well, particularly, in our social and relationship areas. I am a retired educator and part of that new-found boogey man, The White Protestant Male. I've lived in California my whole life and will soon be moving to another state. IMHO, the US we currently inhabit, in 50 years, will have split in two with conservatives forming a new nation. I have my grandsons move there. Thanks for reading.
Did you know that by far most unwanted pregnancies come from people brought up conservative
You could always give the baby to a couple that want it
How about we give women the choice to decide for themselves
How about taking precautions.
Some women make me sick they would rather kill a life than avoid getting pregnant in the first place.
@@HucknallLogs People who want to force women to give birth make me feel sick. Protection doesn't always work and rape exists
@@persephone64 None of that is an excuse to kill an innocent human being
I had an abortion years ago, a was pro choice but a am healing from it and from my abusieve ex man and a know that i was wrong. I have taken a baby's life at 11weeks with an abortion, it had an heartbeat, it did not diserve to be killed. My ex man did want te baby but a could not do it bicus of the way he treated me.
An example of having a choice in a no-win situation. Are you pro choice or anti-abortion?
Putting aside being pro or anti, does anyone else find it strange that the love we feel towards our children is never mentioned? How, unless you're suffering from some psycopathy, every person loves their child once they are here. Even the ill equiped parents... ? I feel that was intentionally omitted. Kind of weird. If we are going to talk about it, lets talk about all of it. Real truth on both sides. Not carefully worded sales pitches.
I mean the love I have for my dog is beyond what most people feel for their children. But I would never force someone who didn’t want a dog to get one. Of course, that would only end in tragedy and suffering. Many women forced to have a child against their will will likely experience poverty and even infanticide.
@@GC-pq6vm You obviously don't have children if you think that lol
@@ruaraidh74yes and? It's not because you love your child that everyone would loves theirs. It's not complicated to comprehend.
@@Baby_ghost__b "Yes and" **proceeds to disagree with me**
Dude idek what you're saying here
@@ruaraidh74 that it is not true that everyone loves their childs. They don't need to psycho to do it. The aunt of my friend can't stand her child younger than 4 years old. And she is not crazy or something. But everyone has an opinion ☺️
Thank you
So, you were born, Diana Greene?
Yes, her mother chose to give birth to her.
@@bluewave4163 I know, isn't it great that her mother didn't kill her?
@@bluewave4163”I’ve noticed that everyone for abortion has already been born.”
Foster would not be live, nor had the chance to build an obviously loving and caring relationship with her grandmother had that grandmother been able to sbort her mother. Is Foster suggesting that her mother and her own lives are not worthbthe struggles her grandmother experienced? ALL mothers (and fathers) struggle, even happily and financially stable ones. What is utterly lost in this TED talk is the unquantifiable value of human life and the disregard for that life if it is unborn.
No she is saying Everyone deserves a choice since it isn’t offensive to admit that her grandmother would have raised her mother differently if she was forced to give birth not decide too so she would be different
We are NOT saying unborn life is worthless. But what could GRANDMA have achieved for herself? What was her life worth before this situation? Most people who are prochoice are not baby haters. Many of us have kids, love kids, etc. But we also know the history of women before abortion was legalized. It's... not great.
@ so true
the baby should not suffer the consequences of the mother's actions
You should watch the videos you comment on
What if she was raped? What if the birth is life-threatening?
@@Aella91 Then she should still not kill her children. And she should get medical treatment for whatever life-threatening illness she has.
@@elijahobviously1288 Why does it matter so much to you what a woman does with her own body? You can disagree with abortion but it has got nothing to do with you.
@Sam-pd9mp Actually you can. You can just waltz right into any hospital and ask them to treat you. Pretty cool.
What other question did you have? Happy to answer for you.
Let me first state in an event of tape or incest yes abortion should be legal but, thats it. Let me give you an example , if I robbed a pregnant women and caused her to lose that child everyone would be up in arms saying I should be charged with murder due to the loss of said child right, well if yourgoing to charge me for death of unborn child shouldn't people who give or allow abortions face the same charges for murder. Murder is murder no.matter how you want to twist it to fit your needs right . If you don't want to get pregnant maybe you should use birth control instead of trying to legalize murder to suit your needs
Please show me how often people believe a woman when she says she was raped?
All of these arguments are valid only if you believe that the unborn child has no right to live. I believe that unborn children do have a right to live, just like you do. If you don't believe that unborn children have the right to live, ask yourself why not.
Your beliefs don't get to dictate my life, body, or medical decisions. Fetuses don't have minds.
@@jaynewallace8592 fetuses don't need minds to have rights.
An unwanted child is a parasite
- Its not part of your body
- Uses your body to grow and survive
- Its not wanted there
Does it have a right to live ? Probably ... but so does a bacteria , if all life is valuable
But a parasite is a parasite
@@seanrosssamuels6891 Well then , why doesnt a random rock on the road a have right to live ?
If they dont need minds ...
@@Blue-5 a rock also is not made of living tissue. A rock does not have its own unique DNA. A rock is not in a natural process of growth that will develop a mind as well many other things.
No matter how you look at it, abortion intentionally denies life to a developing fetus. THAT IS MURDER, THAT AND IN ITSELF.
Then lives are saved
What about women's lives?
@@persephone64 if they dont want there baby there is always adoption
@@DanielHogendoorn What about the possible complications of pregnancy and labour? Not to mention the physical toll pregnancy has on a woman's body.
@@persephone64 so then it's okay to kill an innocent child?
@@DanielHogendoorn Firstly it's not a child and second you would feel differently if you were a woman and had to actually go through with pregnancy and labour.
😂😂 Trying to justify murder, so you don't feel guilty once you've done it. Sickening evil women.
Abortion isn't murder.
A baby is a very young child, especially an infant. A developing cell group ie: blastocyst, zygotes, 16mm embryo, and a semi-formed fetus or deceased fetus, are not infants/babies or fully developed people. Developing cells are alive, but have no personhood - especially if this developing cell group are using a host body to survive at the host's expense. It is better to terminate unwanted/unplanned pregnancy as soon as possible. Mifepristone is no different in effect than a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion). The only difference between miscarriage and medically induced abortion is choice and the host organism has a right to make that choice. A sensible option would be a 12-15 week window and/or immediate intervention if the mother's life is endangered. More education and access to contraception for both males and females is needed for prevention. The anti-abortionists want to control women's choices for full bodily autonomy via disingenuous tactics and illogical arguments. I don't have a right to use one of your kidney's without your consent and neither does a group of developing cells have a right to use a host body without the host's consent. There are thousands of miscarriage occurring world wide and 1st trimester abortions aren't much different. If you take away choice then it becomes coercion and a form of forced birth and the outcomes of said coercion and forced birth are generally poor, in spite of the rose-tinted glass stories that get bandied about by pro-lifers. Generally, anti-abortion arguments are from those who never have to face the difficult choice or procedures or the life-long genetic connection to unwanted off-spring. Have a nice day troll.
Abortion is morally wrong and should be banned period. Who give a f about ur “rights”. Ik many people that weren’t supposed to be healthy babies and are living a great life rn
Forced birth is morally wrong.
You don't get to decide what choices women make about their bodies.
@@persephone64 I literally do it's called a democracy
@@elijahobviously1288 Are you female or male?
@@persephone64 male why
God, thank you for loving parents in abounding grace and today, I pray that they come to you with all of the decisions that they need to make. In Jesus name. Amen 🙏 Thank you.
If we think that the existance of a innocent human being is the problem, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WRONG PROBLEM
Unless the guaranteed supports are available for both the mother and the CHILD, abortion should be available. My life as a result of not being aborted is terrible! Some women should not have children. Period.
@@stonehands72 Sympathies extended.
I agree, but life is not the problem.
As far as I no abortion was left up to each state not the government people have too get out and vote in their state how they want the abortion laws in their state no more letting the government control. The abortion laws in each state
Did you ask the women that were denied the abortion if they wish they had still had it once they raised their children?
Most people live believing "1 + 1 =2". Life is much more complicated. Try "1 + 1 = 3", make it work. You'll learn along the way. We are all just tomorrows' photograph in a dusty album.
Save the whales
If you are PRO LIFE: In places where abortion is illegal, the rate of abortions is HIGHER and mothers die between 5-13% of the time getting these abortions. So the end result is MORE PEOPLE DIE when abortion is illegal. And the ways they die are HORRIBLE. Perhaps, after all this arguing, we should address what causes people to want abortions in the first place. If we fixed that, I bet you abortion would drastically drop. This is a REAL solution we do NOT have to argue about.
Unfortunately, none of these reasons justify killing.
Women don’t need to justify it. They should have the choice to decide what to do with their bodies.
@@aoife0804 you mean the choice to kill.
@@aoife0804 You do actually. We live in this funny little thing called a democracy.
@@Paraphrase1-Z9 You're the guy who doesn't read the textbook and then types out a word salad to impress the teacher 😂 literally everything you said was wrong.
There's no such thing as a "developing cell group". That's not a real biology term.
All life on earth is made of cells, including human beings. Before ~23, those clusters of cells known as "human beings" are still developing.
Pregnant mothers are not "hosts". They do not have parasites. Parasitism is a form of symbiosis where one organism is harmed and the other is benefited. Symbiosis requires two organisms from two distinct species. One cannot be the offspring of another in a parasitic relationship. Furthermore, reproduction is the biological purpose of organisms. It is the opposite of "harm".
"Personhood" is not a biological term, nor is it a legal one. Why you decided to juxtapose it with with your pseudoscientific word salad is beyond me.
The "morning after pill" (levanorgestrel) is not an abortion. It's not the same as RU-486 ie. mifepristone, which is an antiglucocorticoid and an antiprogestogen.
lmk if you want me to keep going. This is really low effort stuff.
@@elijahobviously1288 You seem to care so much about random women's bodies. Bit weird.
I have heard both sides on the spectrum make their arguments, pro-life and pro-choice. Both make some convincing valid points and can make one think ......
I pretty much yield to the left at this point of my life, but on the topic of abortion, I guess I'm in the middle.
Both sides are quite persuasive and convincing.........
I was one this fence myself until conceding that the unborn are entitled to the same right to life as we are. At that point it’s murder and all murder is wrong.
My parents were piss poor but thank God never ever contemplated aborting me and my four siblings🙏
As Mr. Spock would say, "Your statement is illogical"--i.e., you would not be here to have those sentiments had your embryo been aborted, and of course, there would still be billions of people having experiences equally-marvelous to yours.
So your parents decided to have 5 kids and not adopt a single baby to help stop abortions. They are part of the problem according to your logic
@@markthorson6656 Nice non-sequitur. She didn't say anything about whether or not she would "be here" to have the sentiment. You can say the same thing about killing anybody. It doesn't justify killing them or in any way invalidate their argument.
Maybe you should spend less time larping as a space alien and more time actually studying propositional logic.
@@group555_ When did "his logic" include "if you don't adopt babies you're part of the problem"?? That's not a valid argument you just invented premises that don't exist. There are at least 3 sets of parents waiting to adopt for every single baby in the adoption system. America has a massive baby shortage they don't need more adopters.
@@markthorson6656 “Your embryo” makes absolutely no sense. You WERE the embryo.
I wonder if in her study it did a follow up on the children as well, to see how they are doing: the dead ones and the alive ones, maybe there would some some statistically significant difference between the groups.
Couldn't afford a child but can afford to go to Puerto Rico
Well a child needs constant maintenance
@Blue-5 And so do some adults.