I love the implications that there once was a pharaoh just making up rules when playing a game and everyone around him was just like "dont say anything, just let him do his thing"
Isn’t that what the pharaoh currently does? I use to sit by the tv like “aw shit yug it’s a burrito issa wrap pack it tf up”, and this mf is past ass pulling he just simply makes up the the description on the card like that mf don’t work like thaaat.
*Yugi combos random cards together for 2 minutes* "And all of this happens in his opponent's turn by the way" That was some fantastic foreshadowing for the modern Yugioh TCG experience
i would have not believe it.... until i have experienced it myself XD and it was with that damn dynamite deck or something. it wasn't even the start of my turn, just the standby phase when all hell break loose. instant activation of cards, chaining together, with lots of my extra decks cards getting thrown out, then boom, i lose
It's just that te anime is basically Dungeons and Dragons with cards, no one ever cheats, the anime is not reflective of the game but I liked the video tho@@Firestar4041
To be fair, Lightforce Sword's "choose 1 random card" really just translates to "one card in your opponent's hand without looking at it". Choosing the one that Kaiba is holding up over his head saying, "THIS IS MY GOD CARD" seems valid.
@@ilovecats3807 He didn't know Yugi's exact deck composition. And he had unly use Lightforce Sword once before. He didn't know it was set and it would be a valid thought he had sided it out.
@@ibra8096 In theory, yes.But you also have a side deck. That means there's 15 cards Yugi might or might not be playing. I mean,we see him siding in the elevator before he faces Raphael in Season 4.
@@littlekuribohimposte Everyone except Kaiba and his BEWD seems to only run 1 of's in their decks anyway, so playing around a 1/40 (obv technically less than that since they've drawn cards and stuff, but you get what I mean) chance when if they DON'T have it its basically game feels like an unsafe bet. Especially since it doesn't actually get rid of Obelisk, just stalls it for a few turns. Its pretty reasonable to not play around it and do their stereotypical over animated/enthusiastic anime "I'm about to summon this card in a flashy way!" thing and make it super obvious he's about to play Obelisk.
Fun fact: if you actually look into the mellinium items, specifically, the puzzle... his power is quite literally pulling the card he needs. In other words his power is magically stacking the deck. Every time yugi DRAWS he's cheatimg.
I wonder which is stronger between Pegasus and Yugi then? Information on your entire opponent's hand, or magic topdeck powers? Pegasus can always see what traps get set and play around removal, but not the card that's about to be drawn, which is Yugi's choice. This would totally have its own meta.
@@BlueShellshock topdeck power. Even if you have information, unless you can do something with it, it's useless. Ex: you know i have 3 summonable monsters and a trap, i lay the trap, but you don't have anything to stop it, it doesn't matter that you know what it is, you can play around it but it still just hurts you in the end.
About Battle City; In the manga, it's explained in the Battle City ruleset that regular spells can be activated as if they were quickplay, so any instance of that isn't technically cheating.
@@DarkEclipse23 According. To the rules. Of Battle City. You could activate. NORMAL SPELLS. As. QUICKPLAY SPELLS. So, using this line of reasoning. Because of SPECIFICALLY the Battle City rule set, you could activate Change of Heart as a quick play.
Me and my childhood friends always argued about drawing a card during our opponents turn and its because of this moment in the cartoon. One of us would always bring out the rule book and the other would bring out a VHS of this episode when it came to us drawing cards. We always had to resort to show of hands to allow drawing during an opponent's turn or not. It was honestly one of the best moments because we would play a game and watch the anime at the same time.
Weevil was the one cheating. In fact it was stated by Atem that he cheated in a lot of his duels. He looked at the field power bonuses to gain an advantage. You guys do realize that when Season 1 was created they didn't have any rules yet & Yu-Gi-Oh didn't become a hit show yet.
@@marcosbenitez9629 he was also only cheating in the english version (apart from the exodia thing), in the 4kids dub they talk about him stealing the secret rules but in the original access to the rules was his honest prize for winning the regional lol
With the number of times Yugi uses Magical Hats, and Spell Binding Circle the exact same way every time. I'd probably would have just given it a bye and assumed that is just how the card works
@@Daydream_N some cards are just different in the real life than in the anime for example cards of sancty is hilariously busted in the anime but in the real game is pretty bad
In many other game media SpellBinding Circle plays as a strictly-better version of Shadow Spell at the cost of being a Trap Card: Shadow Spell would Equip to reduce a Monster's ATK by 700 and prevent it from Attacking; while SBC triggered off a Monster Attack, negated that attack, then reduced its ATK by 1500(!), and _then_ because it was a Continuous Trap, also prevented that Monster from attacking again! *THIS* is the effect that the SBC in the Anime and Manga were drawing rules from. Also, in the early Manga and Anime there was no such thing as Quick-Play Spell Cards, as the only ruling that made the two Types any different was that Trap Cards _needed to be Set_ until the beginning of the next Turn before it could be Activated. This means all the times one of the characters plays a Spell during an Opponent's Turn is _completely Legal._ Finally, Magical Hats in all of the times he stated were clearly shown to be *Spell Cards,* meaning using the IRL Card Text for the Trap Card named 'Magical Hats' isn't really applicable, and should be treated as a Different Card (named something like 'Tricky Hat Trick')!
@@Daydream_N well the Card game started after Arc 1 so the Rules shouldnt apply at all becouse the rules are actually the anime rules and since no one calls it cheating its probably not. Also some cards from the anime have been changed or even not ever printed. Not only Card of Sanctity witch actually was released as its on anime but was erated also Card of safe return and most obviuse are the God Cards. It shouldnt be called cheating couse we dont know the rules from the anime. Card game is made to be balanced for players the anime is made to be fun and follow a story a lot of real life cards were changed after their release witch actually mean that anyone that had used them before that with their effect cheaters if we are going to judge the anime that way
A big problem for the set up of this video is that the anime sometimes shows a card with its IRL text but is used like in the manga instead. Manga Spell Binding Circle only says "Whoever attacks this card receives the curse of the circle." so yeah, it makes far more sense to default to 1. how it is consistently used in the show and 2. its manga text.
Doesn't the trap "Shadow Spell" do exactly what the anime says Spellbinding circle does? I recall seeing Kaiba use it a few times, if accurate, weird they kept having Yugi use Spellbinding circle then
A lot of the cards he gave points for just have different effects in the anime, Card of Demise is my usual go to example when this topic is brought up, and the difference in effect power between its anime and TCG versions is like night and day.
corrections, 1:in the battle city spell cards are used are quick play card without been an quickd play card because of the battle city rules , the rule 19 and 20 " rule 19 : spell cards can be used as quick play during your battle phase and rule 20 set spell card can be used as if they are quick plays" 2: yugi uses dark magic curtain and flute of summoning dragon too because of the other rule "rule 25:type specific effects may effect both sides of the field" 3:kaiba uses xyz dragon cannon to summon obelisk because of the other rule "fusion monster sacraficed count are many monster used for their fusion summon",so xyz dragon cannon count are 3 monster sacraficed.
@@Icalasari blame it on the Puzzle like Yugi's just getting haunted by some bad ghost who's stacking the deck for him and he's so helpless 🙄🙄🙄 kidding, i'd kinda forgotten about that part which definitely ties things together well.
In fairness: •Everything before battle city was assumed to be operating off Loose D&D-Type rules, IE make shit up and roll with it. That’s why a lot of people in Duelist Kingdom did crazy shit, particularly the whole darkness castle light swords debacle. Everyone was cheating and that was kinda the point. Battle City, on the other hand, finalized all the rules and made them an actual *thing* in-world, hence we should only really be judging past then.
"IE make shit up and roll with it. That’s why a lot of people in Duelist Kingdom did crazy shit, particularly the whole darkness castle light swords debacle. Everyone was cheating and that was kinda the point." Right conclusion, wrong reasoning. They weren't "making things up" in-universe, its just that portion of the manga was written before the card game actually existed, and there were no actual rules yet to be contradicting. Since there were no moon cards or water field cards or official rules on legally attackable targets, there wasn't any established system to be breaking by telling your monster to attack the moon. Yu Gi didn't "make it up" in "D&D style rules", its just that the rules of the official TCG that makes declaring an attack on a magic card silly did not exist yet, and the manga had not in any way established that you can't declare attacks on magic cards.
The origonal rules for yugioh were suppose to be played on field zones like the platforms in duelist kingdom. Monster typings and atributes were also a big thing having advantages and dissavantages like wind attributed monsters gaining 50% attack versus earth attributed monsters. It is why a 1560 power monster was able to take on a 2550. Banits Kieths elephant vs what ever that kid played from the note handed to him by Pegasus
Honestly it almost seems fun to play how they do in the early seasons; just have cards and monsters do whatever you want depending on how you feel they should work based solely on the names and artwork, and it’s fair if you can come up with a convincing reason. It transforms from a game of strategy to a game a creativity and improvisation. I actually once invented a game similar to that with one of my friends and it’s absolutely hilarious and tons of fun.
Thats how we tended to play as kids bcs we werent proficient enough with english. In fact, the better you were at english the worse a player you would be bcs you would cheat less. lol
especially the spells being activated as quick plays, that's literally just the rules in the anime it's like playing ocg and saying your opponent is cheating cause maxx c is banned in the tcg
@@FantomMisfit iirc the weirdest thing to happen in that duel is Kaiba playing a card after he lost to give Yugi more LP and the infinite combo loop to kill Geh.
Especially in season 1, since there were no rules. The card game irl didn't exist until season 2, due to its increase in popularity from the anime in manga. The manga wasn't even about duel monsters it was just them playing a bunch of different games, then again due to irl it boomed in popularity.
Yeah, racking up points for every use of spellbinding circle in particular is a bit audacious. Clearly deducting attack points is part of what it does in the anime.
I'd give it one point for the first time then excuse the rest as long as it does the same thing(s) it did before, only adding another point if it somehow does something else in addition later on.
You cant judge cheating in the first season of YugioH as there were no set rules. For example you gave Kaiba points for summoning a monster outside the swords of revealing lights, yet Panic did that as well. In season 2, since that is when the rules were finally implemented, thats when you can start seeing who’s cheating or not.
specifically with swords, how it worked originally was actually very internally consistent-- it only stopped monsters from attacking if they were already on the field when it was played. it wasn't until the card got printed irl that the effect changed.
Literally came to say this exact thing. All of the "cheating" in season one that was based on card effects and such is really invalid because there were no cards nor rule set in real life so that only leaves things like kaiba threatening to end his life to win or uploading the virus to blue eyes for yugi to win or things that contradicted rules set in the show itself like the field bonus and winged vs ground monsters
A rule in season 1 that isn't ever stated in the manga or in the anime (but that is always verified) is that when a monster dies by card effect, its owner loses half of its attack as life points. This removes several "cheat points" I wonder if Yugi cheats more than his "villains" opponents, because they often pull some bullshit (especially Pegasus and Marik)
Technically all of the spells that were played during the opponent’s turn, are actually legal as long as it was set. Because of the rules of Battle City, and Duelist Kingdom where you can treat normal spells as quick play spells. Also I remember hearing or reading somewhere that Time Wizard can be treated as a spell
Not only that, but thousand dragon's summoning condition requires Joey to make Time Wizard land on the time machine part of its roulette while controlling baby dragon (in the similar vein to how Dark Sage would work, except you don't end up with a brick card)
The first time we saw T-wiz he stated "text too small, so I'll use the real t-wiz instead"; So under this statement, playing time wizard will always be a cheat play 👀
It isn't so much that the rules let them treat normals as quick plays but rather that such distinction didn't exist. In the manga there were only regular spell cards and continuous spell cards and both could be activated in any turn as long as they were set first. The anime might have showed the "IRL" cards with their fancy new typing but for the most part they were played as they were written in the manga.
I thought that ruling was a property of a continuous spell that Kaiba used at the beginning of the duel against Yugi in the semifinals, you know, the card that also let them both search a spell. Also, those episodes came out quite later, after the filler season 3, so they were respecting some more rules at the time. Battle city preliminaries was pretty much DK, but with tributes and direct attacks, I had no idea that this exact rule with spells was stated somewhere
Battle City actually had rules that allowed Normal Spells to be activated as Quick-Play Spells. In Battle City, Fusion Monsters can be treated as two tributes (Another rule Kaiba created.)
It's more accurate to say that in Battle City rules, fusion monsters can be treated as as many tributes as the amount of materials they are made with. Egyptian God Slime was made with Metal Reflect Slime and Revival Jam so it counts as 2. XYZ Dragon Cannon was made with X Head Cannon, Y Dragon Head and Z Metal Tank so it counts as 3.
@@reikosta4861 unless if they play a specific spell card in the anime that allows a target fusion summoned monster to attack the same turn it is summoned. That spell is Quick Attack
The Millenium Puzzle's power is to cheat. It has the power to rearrange the deck to suit the user. As long as you have a card that can save you, it will show up. It might even make new ones, since he draws cards we've never seen or heard of up to that point on a regular basis.
I remember that in the YGO "Pilot" (Back when the anime was simply dubbed the King of Games) Yugi and Kaiba were basically playing Calvinball augmented by Egyptian curses. To the point Kaiba ends it by literally smashing apart the battlefield with his last card to force the game into a draw.
Time Wizard was originally a spell card in the manga. The anime has to alter a lot of stuff since it came out later, and it left a lot of holes. still fun to watch tho :)
There was one big flaw in the way the cheating was counted that I noticed. A few times when a monster was destroyed with a spell or trap and the owner lost LP, you'd count that as cheating thinking the spell or trap directly caused the damage, but there's a rule in Duelist Kingdom that states that when any monsters are destroyed by effects of any kind the owner of the monster takes half the current attack points at LP damage. This was to make sure there was some risk to summoning massive monsters as if they were killed with effects the owner would take a lot of damage with only 2000LP to start with each duel.
The weird thing about Time Wizard is that in the manga it is a spell card and in the anime it acts as such, but uses the real life card's effect monster design
The funnier part is that in the real life game and the Konami official games it’s a playable monster with an unwritten quick play spell effect called “aging” which is how it allows specific special summons like baby dragon into thousand year dragon even though it isn’t fused or how it turns baby red eyes dragon into regular red eyes black dragon or how it turns magicians apprentice into dark magician and silent swordsman ( younger) into silent swordsman
I feel like you shouldn't have given them points for 'using a card wrong' if the 'wrong' way they used the card was internally consistent since some things just changed when being ported to the irl card game. I.E. Spell binding circle consistently lowered attack by 700 in the anime, or magical hats lasting for more than 1 turn.
Or how in the original, Time Wizard WAS a Spell Card and not a Monster, so they had Joey use it as a spell more often than not. And with the "Aging" thing, I wanna say that much like playing cards in face up defense mode, they did it for visual effect rather than the actual effect. Time Wizard's effect would age monsters in the show (if translated to the real game, these strategies would likely equal out to Time Wizard destroying the monster and Joey having his monster attack them directly, but since Duelist Kingdom had the no-direct attacks rule, they couldn't show that and just made them age.) and when Joey's Baby Dragon turned into Thousand Dragon, he still had the Baby Dragon card on the field, so it was just visual changes. This also happened with many Toon monsters. If a monster became a Toon under Pegasus' control, the cards were shown on his field in non-toon form, but the hologram was all toony~
@@SageTigerStar i'd need to double check how consistent this is, but i think time wizard doubles baby dragon's attack points and halves the attack points of other overly aged monsters ?
I agree with the rule of consistency. If throughout the series a cards effect is consistent but different from the current printing there should be no points. Also you should be double checking all the rules for the cards because the JP original cards or OCG cards sometimes had different effects from the English or other translated card from the TCG rules. And my big sticking point from watch this, yugi uses shift correctly in the duel against kaiba. It’s effect states that “with this card a servant with the highest attack stands in the forefront. The enemy can only attack the front servant. It can also be a trap”. Which can easily be interpreted as, switch target monster with a monster in your hand with the highest attack. Your opponent can only attack this monster (“this turn” because this would make the text make sense in the context it’s shown in but I’m goin for a direct interpretation ) this card can also be played as a trap card.
Flawed premise: you need to count the fact that Yugi cheats every time by having supernatural powers and having another more experienced player tell him what to do, someone he's communicating with in secret. Would not be allowed.
Yeah but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who could provide proof that he's using magic, especially during a tourney not sponsored by and/or including kaiba in the brackets ( bc kaiba don't give a fuck, he just wants his run back and a subsequent W that he'll never get)
@@guardsmanwithcripplingdepr4594 Excuse me, judge, I have it on good authority that my opponent has been possessed by an ancient spirit that is feeding them advice.
Regarding the life point loss thing with Mirror Force and the other cases- that's seems to be one of the rules of Duelist Kingdom. It doesn't crop up after that, but there every time a monster is destroyed by a spell/trap life points are lost. Specifically it seems to be half the attack of the destroyed monster.
Xyz canon is a contact fusion monster... Kaiba didn't use polymerization to summon it so that's why it gets over the "fusion monsters can't attack on the first turn" rule
To be honest, season 1 shouldn't count because the rules were all over the place and in the end whoever bullshits the most is declared the winner (within reason of course). The real life cards are made after the episode/chapter so it usually means the text is corrected to be playable/understood by both players. Some cards are so vague that it makes more sense for whoever uses it to interpret it however they see fit as long as they can explain it to the opponent what it will do. So yeah, bullshiting.
Actually a lot of those cheets aren't quite right though. There were additional rules in the two tonament that he didn't mention at all. For example the xyz dragon Cannon tribute was worth 3 sacrifices as the battle city rules states fusion monsters are treated as the same number of tributes as materials. Also duelist kingdom had some odd Mechanics added to the rules that weren't explain very well. Also kaibas shadow spell redused by 800 in the show not 700 like in the game.
Granted, the first season of Yu-Gi-Oh, like the first season of any series made to sell other merchandise almost never takes itself seriously, making up bullshit as it goes along just for the sake of the spectacle so that the "dumb kids" those guys think watch their show will buy the actual product.
I like how the first YuGiOh series was more of a game of interpretation and smartass leaps in logic instead of hard and fast rules also most of Joeys points were machine errors than actual cheating, excpet for Time Wizard I guess even though it's effect is consistent throughout the anime
I think the card game wasn't actually made until season 2 of the anime. And even then I'd assume the manga was already pretty far past the season 2 by the time it started. So the manga was kind of just a fun little card game that the author could do whatever with. Then they made the actual card game later because of how popular the anime was getting.
Ah but in the anime Mai Valentine, Rex Raptor and Bandit Keith were high ranking tournament players. If there is an official world tournament there must be some kind of rules system in place.
Some of these are the results of cards changing effects mid-anime. Sometimes the effect is vague enough for it to make sense though. Mirror Force says "When an opponent's monster attacks, redirect the attack to all Attack Position monsters your opponent controls." Some people have interpreted this as the attacking monster attacking the controller's monsters instead which would inflict damage equal to the difference between its ATK and the ATK of every destroyed monster with lower ATK. This would also make monsters that cannot be destroyed by battle unable to be destroyed by it but this has never come up. For a lot of cards, they simply have different effects in the anime that weren't shown on the card. Time Wizard's effect when you call it right (a 2/3 chance in the anime instead of a 1/2 chance like IRL) causes all monsters to age 1000 years. As for the damage, while not outright stated, most people believe there was a rule that if a monster is destroyed by a card effect, the controller takes damage equal to half its ATK. For the spells being used as quickplay, that was simply the case for all spells at the time. It was changed to only be during the battle phase or your turn in Battle City. Of course, a lot of this was still blatantly cheating.
I think in Duelist Kingdom there was a rule that if your monster was destroyed by any effect, you lose LP equal to half its Attack. Felt pretty consistent throughout the season (even if it was a bit half-assed with its approach at times)
Yugi: I conveniently pulled this one card that gives me 6 cards from the top of my deck even though I never used it before. Noah: You still have to pull the 6 exact cards that you need Yugi: :)
I feel like Magical Hats and Mystic Box shouldn't have been counted based on their real life counterparts and it should have been judged based on if it's effect is consistent. Like sure, in the real game Magical Hats only works for 1 turn, but in the anime it always is shown working until Yugi is out of hats, so using it like that isn't cheating.
I agree, if the card in the anime has consistent effects, it could be that the effect were changed when adapted into the playing card game we have. So instead of basing the effect on the real card, it would be more convincing, if wecan get the text that is shown in the anime and judge based on that. Ex: If the text on the card in the anime says spell binding circle doesn't decrease attack points, then it would be a cheat. Otherwise, the 700 decrease is consistent.
I would also like to say that, during the “Ghost Kaiba” fight, Kaiba should _technically_ get 1 extra point. He doesn’t ask the “ghost” to duel for him, but it still counts as a proxy for two reasons: 1. It’s his deck. Not just a recreation, but the actual deck. 2. Kaiba’s “ghost” enters under a fake name. Additionally, Kaiba cheated death. Not a violation of DM rules, but cheating is cheating.
I love these kinds of videos. The only thing I would say is it's stated that set spell cards can be used as a quickplay, and fusions can be tributed for the amount of materials they needed
If youre wondering why people took random damage when their monsters are destroyed by card effects (weevil loosing a ton when he got mirror forced) its actually a part of the rules players take 50% of their monsters attack as damage when that happens
That's actually not quite right, if I'm not mistaken. The reason why they lost life points when Mirror Force was activated is because it specifically redirects the attack back at all the other monsters on the opponent's field, meaning that they are technically taking battle damage in those cases
@@TSfish94 I'm aware of how Mirror Force works in real life, but I was talking specifically about how it worked when played in Duelist Kingdom. You can see this very clearly in his duel with Pegasus, for example: Yugi activated Mirror Force when Pegasus attacks with Toon Summoned Skull (2500 attack), and he also controls Manga Ryu Ran (2200 attack) and Toon Mermaid (1400 attack), Pegasus loses 1400 life points as a result (2500 - 2200 is 300, and 2500 - 1400 is 1100, for 1400 total life points lost). As I stated in my previous comment, Mirror Force in Duelist Kingdom literally redirects the opponent's monster's attack back at their monsters, resulting in battle damage being taken
@@matthewkuscienko4616 TGS Anime has a video that goes over all of the OFFICIAL rules in duelist kingdom. The burn damage on monster destruction IS a thing. th-cam.com/video/RNICwp8ZZ9s/w-d-xo.html
Tbh then that would be 2 because the duelist kingdom arc, when kaiba used the virus, Yugi didn't know it was a thing however in both times he used the exploit to get the upper hand.
Doesn't change all the other cheats even if that is not what you meant, actually even if that is not what you meant idk why you are mentioning this mistake did he tell you guys in this video to help him out with the video?
Actually, in battle city, all spell cards are treated as quick plays as well as there already type so minus one for yugi aunt Annie, which usually does that because that’s what everybody does in battle city even kaida I think
19:43 battle city rules says that you can tribute a fusion monster as the amount of monsters used to summon it. Look at kaiba during his duel with yugi
I wanna talk about how Bandit Keith arbitrarily decided that Machine monsters are immune to Magic Cards, even if he isn't part of the main trio being discussed. There were a lot of other arbitrary bits like that, but this one stands out the most to me.
Also wasn’t he tge one who made the rule about zombie monsters being unkillable and gets stronger after every defeat Now I do okay zombies but that would be bullshit
me: pharoh how many times did you use the Millenium puzzle to cheat Pharoh: Yes... yugi: dont give me that bullshit its every time Pharoh: shut up yugi!
yugi moto i think only cheats those two times during the final duel will the pharoh has always dueled for yugi which we see so is it really fair to say yugi has all those cheats cause someone else was using his body to duel for him
I think the random life point losses from card effects had to do with the unique rules. While you couldn't attack directly, you could damage them when monsters died to effects. It was probably a fraction of their atk or def.
This made me realize that Time Wizard never behaved as a monster in the entire series. Joey would summon it, use its effect and TW would immediately leave the field after it resolved.
In duelist kingdom, whenever a monster is destroyed by a card effect, the owner of that card takes damage equal to half its attack. Meaning every time somebody reduced life points with an effect that doesn't do that, the damage they took was due to Duelist Kingdom rules, not cheating. I've never heard of the winged vs wingless rule in duelist kingdom. Duelist Kingdom was a lawless land, and existed before the game had official rules. Thanks to these nonexistent rules, everyone had the power to attack and play spells during the opponent's turn, though not everyone took advantage of this. Comparing a card's anime effect to its real effect is, in my opinion, invalid, especially when you show a screen showing the card's anime effect. The anime uses the card long before we get the real card. Effects change. Even if the anime effects are vague, they're done consistently enough to know exactly what the card does. .....with the exception of Makiu, which apparently had a different effect every time. Time Wizard can be treated as a spell in the anime. Duelist Kingdom was a land where the laws of the game hadn't been finalized, or even had a concept. Back then, there were card's and effects and base rules, but Duelist Kingdom was more of a tactics game, where a card's flavor text, appearance, or even how it attacks (summoned skulls lightning) affects the game entirely. So it's really difficult to call really anyone a cheater back then. Except bandit kieth and pegasus, who literally cheated. Battle City, any spell can be used as a quick-play spell. XYZ Dragon Canon at this point in the anime was not a fusion monster, or a monster in general. what we see on screen, though visually is is XYZ Dragon Canon, is at this point in the anime just X equipped with Y and Z, each has the anime effect of powering up X. You can see this clearly, as when he summons Z you can still see X on his duel disk. Battle city rules, fusion monsters count as 1 tribute for every material used to summon it. Since XYZ is not a fusion monster, it is likely Kaiba unequipped them to count as 3 tributes, but this step was just skipped over to save time I haven't watched Battle city in a while so I don't know if you ever see Kaibas duel disk when he has XYZ out there. Even with these I doubt it would remove enough points to change the final outcome.
@@hungerbunger5985 Actually, the winged monster rule is used in Duelist Kingdom, it was mentioned in Joey's duel with Mai when he tried to attack her Harpy Lady. Also, about Time Wizard being treated as a spell card, the reason for this is because it originally WAS a spell card, which they don't change how that works in the anime
@@matthewkuscienko4616 I actually didn't know it was a spell card in the anime. That's good to note. As for the flying thing. I honestly wonder if that's just Mai cheating because that's something that's only mentioned in that duel then. Because I honestly don't remember that being a thing. And as mentioned in the video it wasn't used at any other time. So since it was so inconsistent and not mentioned in the Yugioh wiki as duelist kingdom rules, I can't fault the main characters for not having this rule apply to them most of the time
I think Mako might have no more playable monsters in his hand resulting in a loss, you can't attack directly, but if you end your turn without any monsters on field, you lose in Duelist Kingdom
Which actually makes sense as a rule in a tournament with no direct attacks. Otherwise I could just play a monsterless stall deck and win because my opponent literally can't do anything to me. I never even thought about that before. It explains several of the losses in the tournament.
16:21 from my understanding of the in game card text Brain control works regardless of it's sent to the graveyard or not as it's not an equip card just a spell that let's you take control of an opponent's monster until the end phase
A couple things, you mention cases of Mirror Force and Time Wizard doing damage, in season 1, if a monster was destroyed by card effect, the owner would take damage equal to half of the combined ATK the monsters had when on the field. 2nd: on the point of Panik’s monsters not being effected by swords due to field power bonus, Swords effect doesn’t prevent monsters from attacking, it prevents the opponent from declaring attacks in the first place, so swords doesn’t affect the monsters, it affects the player
Some of the cheating is also in the absurd luck the characters always have in duels. Like Yugi pulling all the pieces of exida without a single card like Sangan/etc. to help him pull the cards he needs from his deck. And Joey almost always getting his luck cards to land his way.
At that point in the game, there was no direct attacking and apparently no burn cards either so, as long as Yugi has monsters to set, he can just keep drawing until all the pieces are on his hand.
@@HoveringAboveMyself There weren't direct attacks, but you did need to be able to play at least one monster a turn or you'd lose. If you couldn't play any for whatever reason, then you lost straight out. It's mentioned explicitly in the Ryota fight back in the manga.
"If they set a rule, they have to follow it" And then you ignore the rules of battle city, duelist kingdom et al., going against the rule you set for yourself. Paradox achieved
How? He literally explained what the unique rulings are for Battle City and Duelist Kingdom and pointed out when they were broken. It helps that Battle City was much more consistent in applying its unique rulings (that are exclusive to it and cannot be found in the TCG), so its not like he had much, if anything, to address in that department. Is this comment intended to be libel?
@@boyishdude1234 Because for example: Yugi's magical hats card. Every single time Yugi uses it in the anime, it lasts until he runs out of hats. But in the actual game, it's only for 1 turn. But since it's like this EVERY time in the show, that means it wouldn't be cheating and is the actual effect of the card. Same with Spellbinding circle.
@@phyco9635 I don't consider that to be cheating since they're consistent, well-established anime only card effects. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with giving certain cards anime-exclusive card effects. It's not like Duel Monsters is the only show in the series that does that, anyway.
@@boyishdude1234 exactly, and the video creator crediting that as "cheating" is misleading because of that. And because this is so prevalent and happens all the time, it's inflating everyone's scores, especially Yugi's.
Kind of surprised they never created a Mammoth Graveyard Blue Eyes Ultimate card based on that dual in the anime. It'd be kind of neat to have a card that is designed to counter blue eyes deck. Like, imagine it a card with 0 attack that you can special summon on your opponents side of the field by discarding one of your opponents cards with Blue Eyes in the title. Or even just any dragon monster.
When a rule is applied consistently, it doesn't magically become cheating just because you disagree with it. Likewise, when a rule is applied consistently with one singe exception, the exception is the one that cheated, not everything that *wasn't* that exception.
This video breaks its own rules & therefore cheats. I'm pretty sure the flying monsters are uneffected by field power bonus wasn't actually a rule of the tournament yet it gets treated as 1 in this video. Magical Hats & Time Wizard were consistent with their anime use which was different from their real life counterparts.
18:15 depends here. Is it XYZ dragon cannon the fusion monster specifically here or is it the "XYZ dragon cannon" that's formed by using the effects of Y head dragon and Z tank?
I remember when I first started playing, I had all of these cards that I would not read, and would use the effects that they used in the show. Little did I know, I had been cheating for years.
yeah I'm really surprised Pegasus wasn't even mentioned. Like, if we're going to accept the non-card action of Kaiba standing on the ledge, literal mind-reading is far more cheatsy. Although Pegasus never said "no mind reading" when he said "no direct attacks," so like: heck.
According to Duelist Kingdom rules, if a monster is destroyed by a card effect, the owner of that monster loses life points equal half its attack. Also, again according to the rules, spell cards could be activated during the Battle Phase. Lastly, the rule about a monster having wings is probably based on the Attribute and Type of the monster, rather than the artwork. This means that cards that have neither a WIND attribute or a Winged-Beast type, were not considered to fly; which explains why Joey was able to attack Rex's monsters without a penalty to his monsters, as those monsters were Dinosaur or Dragon non-WIND attribute monsters.
The way the old swords of the revealing light works in the 1st draft of duel monsters(only 1 episode) is. It stops only monsters that are "currently on the field" from attacking. Also, any monster "must attack or defend" every turn. Meaning if you have a Battle Ox, opponent plays Mystic Elf face up as their only monster. You, the Battle Ox player, if you have nothing to destroy Mystic Elf, must either: 1. put your battle ox into defense mode or 2. attack mystic elf and lose 300 hp. These can be seen if you play the very 1st Yugioh game on gameboy.
@Sules Max: the duel with kiba freezbe duel in duelist kingdoom, so yugi used polymarization to fuse living arrow card with mammoth graveyard so that mammoth graveyard can fused with the blue-eyes ultimated dragon, if it was cheating the machine they where using would have said no.
The Living Arrow card allows you to apply the effects of cards onto other cards. Vague, but that's what it does. In this case, it forced a fusion between Mammoth Graveyard and the Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon, causing an improper fusion. As a result, the Ultimate Dragon fused into a decaying beast that lost ATK every turn. I'm surprised the TCG never created a card for it. Imagine calling it "Undead Fusion" or "Improper Fusion," where the effect is "Target 1 Zombie-type monster you control. Equip it to one of your opponent's monster. During each of their standby phases, decrease their ATK by the original ATK of the equipped monster."
I'm pretty sure the manga was created before it was an official card game and if the anime copied the manga then you can assume.. the author was creating rules for the cards before they had their official rulings.. just watching the anime is probably really revealing what were the original idea's for each cards and its a good idea that the cards dont do what the anime was showing in real life because the game would of been really unbalanced and a joke to some degree.
I feel like when it comes to Duelist Kingdom, TGS Anime put it best in one of his videos. In that arc, it almost worked like D&D in a sense where if you did something you normally couldn’t do (such as attacking the field to reveal hidden monsters or remove the field effects) you could use an explanation that would technically make sense and you’d be fine. Just saying that while not all of the points there should be null and void, I am saying that the ones that are related to weird explanations should probably be looked at again or even not taken into account
To be fair to some of these, the Yu-Gi-Oh anime rules aren't always the same as the ones in real life. For example, in Battle City (and maybe Duelist Kingdom, I can't remember) fusion summoned monsters couldn't attack the turn they're summoned without using a card effect. So things like characters using non-quick play spells as quick play speels may have been allowed. Also, I'm sorry, but some of the "this card doesn't have that effect in real life, therefore this character cheated" is bullshit. I'll give you a pass on Attacking the Moon, Catapult Turtle, and Yugi's Mystical Elf/ Blue Eyes combo, since those are some shenanigans, but things like Time Wizard and Magical Hats I won't. Simply put, that's just how those cards work in the anime. I understand using the real life card if the text is too hard to read, but these effects are literally explained by the characters.
Funny thing is, Attacking the moon actually inspired a real card called Attack the Moon! It even features Full Moon and a "Giant Soldier" monster in its artwork, though it's Giant Soldier of Steel in the artwork rather than Giant Soldier of Stone.
Thats likely because the irl rules were modified because of the show's brokeness or if cards were too strong or turns took too long, but the show took much much longer to adjust.
It's not just that the players explain the effects, it's that the effects are used multiple times in the exact same fashion so there's obvious consistency in the way they function.
Honestly an entertaining video. I just wished it had been focused more on them ignoring mechanics instead of them having different effects in the anime than they do in the show. They are at least consistent in the show, no one activates a card that yugi also activates but it has its real world effect instead of the anime effect. This kinda proves that it just has a different effect in that universe than it does in the card game of ours. ie other people use despell as a quick play too.
@Zeedware: that is incorrect yugi did not cheat, because if he did the machine that the card was play on would do the effect it is suppose to do, and not the effect that yugi mention
@@SuperNickid Bro it's a TV show made by writers, not an actual piece of technology. It does whatever the writer/s want it to do. This is exactly why "anime effects" exist where a card functions differently in the show than it does in real life. The same thing applys to the dueling machine, it literally does whatever the writer/s want it do to. Also I think ur in denial to the amount of bullshit that Yugi pulls throughout the series.
@@chukarec I'm just explaining why it's there. If you think Duelist Kingdom had any interest in following the real card game, you've come to the wrong place.
@@chukarec even real live they rereleased card and change card texts. Sometimes they even change their attributes and even their name. So it normal when even real life card have different card texts and you play stick to what it said in the card text anyway.
Just a thought. In yugi vs pegasus in DK, you said he uses "arrow of life" or whatever he used against kaiba. But wasnt it spell shattering arrow he used against pegasus? Or am i misremembering?
When was it ever stated that Flying Monsters negated the field power bonus under normal circumstances in Duelist Kingdom? A lot of these cheats were stretches such as the Magical Hats using real world effect rather than in anime effect.
In fairness to Dragon Nails, it could be equipping to “Dragon” monsters instead of Dragon-type. This works with other cards like Cyber Dragon and Ancient GearGadjiltron Dragon (also machines), but not cards like Gray Wing or Black Stone of Legends (dragon type monsters). Also, anime Revival Jam does specify it revives to the side of the field it was destroyed on, so that should be one less point for Yugi. I’m at 16m tho and honestly, I doubt it’d make a difference
Also, In the anime, Red Eyes Dark Metal Dragon is just Red Eyes equipped with Metalmorph, not an entirely new card, so its still a Dragon type monster.
The Revival Jam one is definitely still a cheat. You can't target a *dead* monster with Brain Control. (ie. Yugi destroyed the Jam by battle, then somehow took control of it before it finished reviving, so that Slifer would see it being summoned to Yugi's field)
Btw why did yugi even bother to do that whole thing with revival jam He could have activated brain control normally, without the weird combat interaction thing, and it still would work, no? Like, whether it just revived or not, revival jam is still being placed on the battlefield on yugi's side, triggering slifer... anyway im overthinking this
yugi vs mako: is it possible that the additional effects of the cards are caused by the rules of the tournament i.e. the moon causing the water to rise and such?
There is a reason there's meme in Latin America about "Yugi trampas locas" which translates to "Yugi crazy traps" in which he beats basically any anime character by playing dirty or reminding them about their past failures 😂
Actually spellbinding circle in some of the really old games did reduce stats. I believe in dark duel stories for the GBC starts functioned on a +/- system kind of long DnD. Spellbinding circle gave either a -2 or -3 iirc which translated to a 20 or 30% reduction in atk and def
@@nijunikuro i remember shadow spell being it's own thing. I'm not talking about the real TCG though. Just that some older gameboy titles had weird effects for cards
@@earthboundisawsome Ah, sorry. I've played a good number of the GBA YuGiOh games and iirc Spellbinding Circle and Shadow Spell had their TCG effects in them, but I'm guessing you're referring to the GBC and early GBA games (which I haven't played myself)?
@@nijunikuro yeah. Specifically I'm thinking of Dark Duel Stories, which came out in 2000 on the GBC iirc. That being said who knows how good my memory is after 20 years.
I love how Spellbinding Circle had Shadow Spell's effect the whole time(which would have been fine if the latter didn't exist, but Kaiba USED Shadow Spell, sooo...)
The thing with players taking damage out of seemingly nowhere is because in duelist kingdom they had a rule where when a monster was destroyed by an effect the controller would take damage equal to half the monsters attack.
In the first season, if a monster is destroyed by effect, the player takes damage effect. This rule comes from season 0, and still applied to Duelist Kimgdom
Two things first in duelist kingdom it seems to have operated on the rule of cool. So long as you can justify it it works. Second did you ever watch yugioh season zero? They somewhat explain the pre duelist kingdom rules they use some of them such as if you have no monsters to defend your field you automatically lose thats why the life points were so low originally.
You should rewatch the initial Yugi vs Kaiba duel. Most of the stuff in it was pure magic and not rules. For example, Yugi uses the Millennium Puzzle to destroy Kaiba's Blue Eyes and Kaiba uses Gremlin's special ability to *drumroll* end the duel (Split the Land).
The "does not deal effect damage" during duelist kingdom is a part of the duelist kingdom rulings, where if you destroy an opponents monster using an effect, it inflicts damage equal to a % of the monsters attack.
Yugi/Yami Yugi literally *manipulates Fate* in _every single one_ of his Duels. And he gets a _lot_ more screen time than Pegasus does. The writing's on the Stone Tablet no matter the excuse - Yugi is the King of Cheaters!
Yes, that is true, but in this situation, the reason Weevil took damage was due to the Anime effect of Mirror Force, where the attack of the monster is redirected at every other monster controlled by Weevil.
@literarywho there's a spell card called Destroy The Moon or something like that involving the Giant Soldier of Stone in its image doing what's done in the anime. Not sure if it was out at the time, but it's a similar situation to Harp Lady Sisters
Also, I dunno about some of the season 1 points. The original manga messed with many different kinds of games and just like in Hunter x Hunter with Killua's hardening hands and such before the creator focused on Nen as a staple of the anime, Takahashi was figuring out exactly how he wanted Duel Monsters to work. The effects of stuff like that scorched earth card for Curse of Dragon wad all a part of his idea of logic and environment playing a major role in the anime. I feel like there's a substantial difference between stuff like playing Polymerization during your opponent's turn and the creator figuring out the logic of the game and world. It's still the characters adhering to the logic the creator is working with, just like Weevil uses poison to weaken Yugi's fusion and Yugi uses Makiu to wash the poison from the atmosphere
1. I agree that double summoning and fusion summons aren’t possible in the same turn in the anime but joey canonically is only performing 1 summon of baby dragon then activating time wizards effect to special summon thousand year dragon (which is Konami approved way of summon in all formats of the game) this aging effect should only apply to dark magician (younger self) silent swordsman (younger self) and a dragon type monster lv 3 or lower (later changed from baby dragon because it was mended to include baby red eyes dragon) however any instance that time wizard is summoned and then effect activated on baby dragon in hand or summoned second is a rule violation baby dragon has to be on the field first and time wizard is used as a quick play spell for special summoning 🎉
In Duelist Kingdom mirror force causing LifePoint damage was a rule that they used on the island cause there are multiple times where a monster being destroyed by the effect of a card causes monsters original owner to lose a fraction of the combined totals of all destroyed monsters attack points.
Before Video The only case of cheating I remember is when Joey played Rex in Duelist Kingdom he used time wizard and the wand didn’t spin to see if time would go forward, but every other time the wand spun
I can explain the Kunai with Chain and Wall Shadow one. he didn't use both effects to switch the monster and power up celtic guardian, he just powered up the celtic guardian to 1900 overpowering the 1600 atk wall shadow...however then in the following turn Axe Raider had the equip card so still cheating.
The Manga/Anime Card Effect for Kunai with Chain (and similarly with Blast with Chain) stated that it did its Battle Position-Changing Effect, and then Equipped to a Warrior-Type Monster to boost its ATK by 500. The OCG/TCG made it only do one or the other as a game-balancing measure - something that covers most of the cards the Characters 'Cheat' with in this video...
@@lianaverwood9810 The wording on anime Kunai with Chain states that the Monster's battle position _can_ be changed, meaning it's an optional effect, though the attack gain is mandatory. This is actually unlike the card game, where you can opt to not raise your Monster's attack.
@@lianaverwood9810 Another thing I noted is that you said the TCG/OCG said it makes you do only one or the other? That's not true. The only change is that the battle position effect requires you to target an opposing monster that has declared an attack. You can still use the attack boosting and battle position change effect simultaneously.
@@Hyperneosonic97 As far as I knew, you weren't able to, but you're likely right in that depending upon when you activate the card you have the option of switching a Monster's Battle Position - though if the switching effect was only in response to an Attack being declared, then it still means it's been adjusted from the Anime/Manga Effect...
Really feel like the ones caused by judging a card by it's IRL version shouldn't have counted... as the card effects change often from their anime versions to their irl versions. And in some cases so drastically, that they are basically different cards...... especially the cases of the super vague effects (what, you counted Shift's super vague effect as cheating but not "Maiko the Magical Mist"?).... or when the card in constant every time it is used (like Spellbinding Circle's attack reduction or Magical Hats lingering for longer then a turn). In fact, I think most of duelist Kingdom's "cheats" shouldn't have counted... as that was written back before the game was even fully formed yet, so it is only natural for a LOT of things to happen in that super early version that wouldn't be allowed now... like basically any time they pulled out the D&D logic, as those types of games is something that Kazuki Takahashi (sorry if I misspelled his name) likes and wanted in there, but had to scrap for balancing issues... hence why they happened a lot in Duelist Kingdom but were very rare once some actual rules were finalized come battle City. And lastly, I also think that it would have been better to do something like have a separate count for the anime and the manga versions of the duels... as some cards changed even between just those two versions (like how Copycat and Time Wizard were monsters in the anime... but Spell/Traps in the Manga, so it is fair in the manga but not in the anime when they made the change without adjusting the duel to correct it).
I think its still cheating if Yugi did things that were consistently against the rules, even then. Like using any spell as a quickplay, playing traps as spell cards, drawing on your opponents turn, skipping standby phases, etc. Stuff like that.
@@GeteMachine And most examples of that happening break down when you look at them and what was going on closer. Using normal spells as quickplay? That was just a thing in battle city, like a lack of Tributes in Duelist Kingdom (because battle city's rules still weren't 1-for-1 with irl rules back then). Playing Traps as spell cards... only time I can think of that that happened was with Lightforce sword against the Exodia Rare hunter, Lightforce sword was a spell card in the Manga... so see my last point about why I think separate counts should have been done for the anime and the manga. Drawing on the opponent's turn ad skipping standby phases... your going to need to give examples on that for me to follow up on those.
If I’m honest I don’t remember them ever saying what the rules even are in the anime… sure we have our little rule book but how do we know it’s the same as the rules in the anime?
@@kunoryuki That's the thing... after some analysis we can conclude that the rules WEREN'T the same... There are even some videos going over what the actual rules were (can't remember the name of the guy that made them though... the videos were titles something like "The True rules of Duelist Kingdom" or something like that).
First season is Jr Rules You can normal summon/set any monster once peer turn, you can only activate/set 1 spell/trap card peer turn, this is a ruleset that exist IRL, it wasnt an anime only thing and those are its rules Kingom arc was in colaboration with D&D, so a lot of things that dont apply in the card game happen because like in D&D, if it makes sense within the context of the game, it can happen, cause D&D follows the rule of cool Battle City is the introduction of advanced rules, but aditional rules were added, like Fusion Monster being unable to attack the turn they are summoned and all spell cards becoming quick spell cards (this rules are explained too in the show and manga) there are other things to note but there are videos that go more indept for those Edit: also, many card on the show pass through many iterations and changes mechanically, heck Mirror Force passed through most retrains of it, with its strongest version being a combination of Mirror Force + Dark Mirror Force + Blazing Mirror Force but only for the oponent Another good example is Dark Paladin that later on gains its spell negation effect while in its original debut didnt have it
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I love the implications that there once was a pharaoh just making up rules when playing a game and everyone around him was just like "dont say anything, just let him do his thing"
Reminds me the GX episode, A Lying Legend - where Jaden duels a pharaoh
That is literally the plot of an episode from Yu-Gi-Oh GX.
@SuperSteve180 which one?
Vs the shadow rider king guy who I forget the name of
Isn’t that what the pharaoh currently does? I use to sit by the tv like “aw shit yug it’s a burrito issa wrap pack it tf up”, and this mf is past ass pulling he just simply makes up the the description on the card like that mf don’t work like thaaat.
*Yugi combos random cards together for 2 minutes*
"And all of this happens in his opponent's turn by the way"
That was some fantastic foreshadowing for the modern Yugioh TCG experience
Especially Flunderzee and Tearalaments. Who the fuck tought those decks were well designed?
i would have not believe it.... until i have experienced it myself XD
and it was with that damn dynamite deck or something.
it wasn't even the start of my turn, just the standby phase when all hell break loose.
instant activation of cards, chaining together, with lots of my extra decks cards getting thrown out, then boom, i lose
So tecnically, Yugi was on a modern meta?
Aka why the modern version of yugioh sucks and more and more people are going back to the 5ds era.
@@xxdarkzon3xx Too slow to be modern but well beyond the early days of vanilla beatsticks.
*Yugi* is the card game equivalent of: _"The ball is mine. So you either play by my rules or I'm taking it home"_ *kid*
I guess tbf; the game is named after him...
Still shitty, but, he- he got a point ;-;
It's just that te anime is basically Dungeons and Dragons with cards, no one ever cheats, the anime is not reflective of the game but I liked the video tho@@Firestar4041
idk what place u from but this don’t happen
@@Firestar4041 It's called Duel Monsters.
I suppose it's better than what he was up to in season 0
To be fair, Lightforce Sword's "choose 1 random card" really just translates to "one card in your opponent's hand without looking at it". Choosing the one that Kaiba is holding up over his head saying, "THIS IS MY GOD CARD" seems valid.
Imagine he is holding a random card as a bait expecting his LS. Would be pretty funny and he shouldve known since he ran all those simulations.
@@ilovecats3807 He didn't know Yugi's exact deck composition. And he had unly use Lightforce Sword once before. He didn't know it was set and it would be a valid thought he had sided it out.
@@littlekuribohimposte I thought it was an official tournament don’t you need to note down your deck list
@@ibra8096 In theory, yes.But you also have a side deck. That means there's 15 cards Yugi might or might not be playing.
I mean,we see him siding in the elevator before he faces Raphael in Season 4.
@@littlekuribohimposte Everyone except Kaiba and his BEWD seems to only run 1 of's in their decks anyway, so playing around a 1/40 (obv technically less than that since they've drawn cards and stuff, but you get what I mean) chance when if they DON'T have it its basically game feels like an unsafe bet. Especially since it doesn't actually get rid of Obelisk, just stalls it for a few turns. Its pretty reasonable to not play around it and do their stereotypical over animated/enthusiastic anime "I'm about to summon this card in a flashy way!" thing and make it super obvious he's about to play Obelisk.
Mako duel was the meme amongst my friend group when we played. Anytime someone ran an effect wrong one of us would yell "I'm going to attack THE MOON"
This is great. 🤣
NOOOO....MY WATEEERR
That reminds me of an announcement someone once made.
Exacly hahha
Eggman: "I'M GONNA GO HIGHER"
Fun fact: if you actually look into the mellinium items, specifically, the puzzle... his power is quite literally pulling the card he needs. In other words his power is magically stacking the deck.
Every time yugi DRAWS he's cheatimg.
It's called destiny draw
@@arrow3123 it's called cheating
I wonder which is stronger between Pegasus and Yugi then? Information on your entire opponent's hand, or magic topdeck powers? Pegasus can always see what traps get set and play around removal, but not the card that's about to be drawn, which is Yugi's choice.
This would totally have its own meta.
@@BlueShellshock topdeck power.
Even if you have information, unless you can do something with it, it's useless.
Ex: you know i have 3 summonable monsters and a trap, i lay the trap, but you don't have anything to stop it, it doesn't matter that you know what it is, you can play around it but it still just hurts you in the end.
@@OrdericNeustry I thought that was the heart of the cards (the heart of cheating).
17:22 I love the inclusion of yugis friendship speech here, as it implied the friendship speech was cheating lmao
🤣
"yugi uses the power of friendship,that is cheating"
JUDGE!!! My opponent is using a friendship speech to stall for time!
This is a legitimate rule violation irl btw
it is cause in the case of yugi the friendship speech is in fact a way of emotionaly activating the puzzle or whatever to manipulate luck!
He used the speech as a distraction to cheat.
About Battle City; In the manga, it's explained in the Battle City ruleset that regular spells can be activated as if they were quickplay, so any instance of that isn't technically cheating.
Change of Heart isn’t a quick play spell.
@@DarkEclipse23
According. To the rules. Of Battle City. You could activate. NORMAL SPELLS. As. QUICKPLAY SPELLS. So, using this line of reasoning. Because of SPECIFICALLY the Battle City rule set, you could activate Change of Heart as a quick play.
@@DarkEclipse23Reading isn't that difficult.
@@William256You think Yugioh players read the cards? We just play and pray
@@maxedoutvibes It wasn't even the card, it was just a stated rule
Yugi just sliding a card during Weevil's turn had me dying lmao
Me and my childhood friends always argued about drawing a card during our opponents turn and its because of this moment in the cartoon. One of us would always bring out the rule book and the other would bring out a VHS of this episode when it came to us drawing cards. We always had to resort to show of hands to allow drawing during an opponent's turn or not. It was honestly one of the best moments because we would play a game and watch the anime at the same time.
Yami: I activate Deus Ex Machina
Weevil: Hurhur thats unfair you cant use spellcards during my turn hurhur
Yami: Tell that to the writing staff
that only happens in the english version hfndhdmm
Weevil was the one cheating. In fact it was stated by Atem that he cheated in a lot of his duels.
He looked at the field power bonuses to gain an advantage.
You guys do realize that when Season 1 was created they didn't have any rules yet & Yu-Gi-Oh didn't become a hit show yet.
@@marcosbenitez9629 he was also only cheating in the english version (apart from the exodia thing), in the 4kids dub they talk about him stealing the secret rules but in the original access to the rules was his honest prize for winning the regional lol
With the number of times Yugi uses Magical Hats, and Spell Binding Circle the exact same way every time. I'd probably would have just given it a bye and assumed that is just how the card works
It's strange they show the card work a certain way consistently in the show but then made the real life version so different
@@Daydream_N some cards are just different in the real life than in the anime for example cards of sancty is hilariously busted in the anime but in the real game is pretty bad
In many other game media SpellBinding Circle plays as a strictly-better version of Shadow Spell at the cost of being a Trap Card: Shadow Spell would Equip to reduce a Monster's ATK by 700 and prevent it from Attacking; while SBC triggered off a Monster Attack, negated that attack, then reduced its ATK by 1500(!), and _then_ because it was a Continuous Trap, also prevented that Monster from attacking again! *THIS* is the effect that the SBC in the Anime and Manga were drawing rules from.
Also, in the early Manga and Anime there was no such thing as Quick-Play Spell Cards, as the only ruling that made the two Types any different was that Trap Cards _needed to be Set_ until the beginning of the next Turn before it could be Activated. This means all the times one of the characters plays a Spell during an Opponent's Turn is _completely Legal._
Finally, Magical Hats in all of the times he stated were clearly shown to be *Spell Cards,* meaning using the IRL Card Text for the Trap Card named 'Magical Hats' isn't really applicable, and should be treated as a Different Card (named something like 'Tricky Hat Trick')!
@@Daydream_N well the Card game started after Arc 1 so the Rules shouldnt apply at all becouse the rules are actually the anime rules and since no one calls it cheating its probably not. Also some cards from the anime have been changed or even not ever printed. Not only Card of Sanctity witch actually was released as its on anime but was erated also Card of safe return and most obviuse are the God Cards. It shouldnt be called cheating couse we dont know the rules from the anime. Card game is made to be balanced for players the anime is made to be fun and follow a story a lot of real life cards were changed after their release witch actually mean that anyone that had used them before that with their effect cheaters if we are going to judge the anime that way
A big problem for the set up of this video is that the anime sometimes shows a card with its IRL text but is used like in the manga instead. Manga Spell Binding Circle only says "Whoever attacks this card receives the curse of the circle." so yeah, it makes far more sense to default to 1. how it is consistently used in the show and 2. its manga text.
Spellbinding circle has always been consistent in the anime where the targeted monster loses 700 atk. It’s just in the real game where it’s different
Just like cards of sanctity. Man imagine that card was really “Both of you draw till you have 6 cards”
Doesn't the trap "Shadow Spell" do exactly what the anime says Spellbinding circle does?
I recall seeing Kaiba use it a few times, if accurate, weird they kept having Yugi use Spellbinding circle then
Yeah that one is consistent enough that it just seems like the anime has a different card lol
Same with Magical Hats lasting more than 1 turn
A lot of the cards he gave points for just have different effects in the anime, Card of Demise is my usual go to example when this topic is brought up, and the difference in effect power between its anime and TCG versions is like night and day.
corrections, 1:in the battle city spell cards are used are quick play card without been an quickd play card because of the battle city rules , the rule 19 and 20 " rule 19 : spell cards can be used as quick play during your battle phase and rule 20 set spell card can be used as if they are quick plays"
2: yugi uses dark magic curtain and flute of summoning dragon too because of the other rule "rule 25:type specific effects may effect both sides of the field"
3:kaiba uses xyz dragon cannon to summon obelisk because of the other rule "fusion monster sacraficed count are many monster used for their fusion summon",so xyz dragon cannon count are 3 monster sacraficed.
Yugi says "there are no bad in my grandfather's deck" then proceeds to stack his deck for like 200 episodes.
Cards
@@wireknight it's too late. the damage is done. there are no bad.
@@screeechbud 😪😪😪
Even better - The Puzzle's special ability is to alter fate
IE It _alters the order of cards in the deck_
@@Icalasari blame it on the Puzzle like Yugi's just getting haunted by some bad ghost who's stacking the deck for him and he's so helpless 🙄🙄🙄
kidding, i'd kinda forgotten about that part which definitely ties things together well.
In fairness:
•Everything before battle city was assumed to be operating off Loose D&D-Type rules, IE make shit up and roll with it. That’s why a lot of people in Duelist Kingdom did crazy shit, particularly the whole darkness castle light swords debacle. Everyone was cheating and that was kinda the point. Battle City, on the other hand, finalized all the rules and made them an actual *thing* in-world, hence we should only really be judging past then.
"IE make shit up and roll with it. That’s why a lot of people in Duelist Kingdom did crazy shit, particularly the whole darkness castle light swords debacle. Everyone was cheating and that was kinda the point."
Right conclusion, wrong reasoning.
They weren't "making things up" in-universe, its just that portion of the manga was written before the card game actually existed, and there were no actual rules yet to be contradicting. Since there were no moon cards or water field cards or official rules on legally attackable targets, there wasn't any established system to be breaking by telling your monster to attack the moon. Yu Gi didn't "make it up" in "D&D style rules", its just that the rules of the official TCG that makes declaring an attack on a magic card silly did not exist yet, and the manga had not in any way established that you can't declare attacks on magic cards.
The origonal rules for yugioh were suppose to be played on field zones like the platforms in duelist kingdom. Monster typings and atributes were also a big thing having advantages and dissavantages like wind attributed monsters gaining 50% attack versus earth attributed monsters. It is why a 1560 power monster was able to take on a 2550. Banits Kieths elephant vs what ever that kid played from the note handed to him by Pegasus
Loose D&D-type rules you say? "Ok fire", "I roll to summon BWILAS" *rolls a 20.
@@peteypete9357 "I roll luck to draw exodia" *nat 20* "Get fucked Kaiba lol"
@@peteypete9357 he rolled a 3000! XD love that guy Merlin ~
Honestly it almost seems fun to play how they do in the early seasons; just have cards and monsters do whatever you want depending on how you feel they should work based solely on the names and artwork, and it’s fair if you can come up with a convincing reason. It transforms from a game of strategy to a game a creativity and improvisation.
I actually once invented a game similar to that with one of my friends and it’s absolutely hilarious and tons of fun.
Thats how we tended to play as kids bcs we werent proficient enough with english. In fact, the better you were at english the worse a player you would be bcs you would cheat less. lol
So Yugioh x DnD. That both sounds amazing and horrible at the same time.
@@CompleteToastyes it does
It's called calvinball
You just gave Yugi an extra 30 points for legal anime effects and moves.
especially the spells being activated as quick plays, that's literally just the rules in the anime
it's like playing ocg and saying your opponent is cheating cause maxx c is banned in the tcg
@fortnitesexman He easily earns more than the 30 if we look at filler though especially Dartz arc he'd get like 10 vs just Dartz alone
@@FantomMisfit and? how is that relevant to my comment specifically?
@@fortnitesexman I guess it's more of a reply to op
@@FantomMisfit iirc the weirdest thing to happen in that duel is Kaiba playing a card after he lost to give Yugi more LP and the infinite combo loop to kill Geh.
I feel that if a card works repeately and consistently in one way in the anime, does it really count as cheating and not just how that card works?
Especially in season 1, since there were no rules. The card game irl didn't exist until season 2, due to its increase in popularity from the anime in manga. The manga wasn't even about duel monsters it was just them playing a bunch of different games, then again due to irl it boomed in popularity.
Yeah, racking up points for every use of spellbinding circle in particular is a bit audacious. Clearly deducting attack points is part of what it does in the anime.
I'd give it one point for the first time then excuse the rest as long as it does the same thing(s) it did before, only adding another point if it somehow does something else in addition later on.
@@Jotari no the card does that to
@@originalgreatdouchebag2866 In the anime there is.
Red Eyes killing Blue Eyes is like when Ash says, "Dodge it!" It just works.
Really whether or not a trainer says that shouldn't change anything, the 'mon should always be trying to avoid attacks anyway
@@LilacMonarchexactly
Or "Aim for the horn!" as plot armor for Ash Ketchum to make electric type attacks damage a ground type
You cant judge cheating in the first season of YugioH as there were no set rules. For example you gave Kaiba points for summoning a monster outside the swords of revealing lights, yet Panic did that as well. In season 2, since that is when the rules were finally implemented, thats when you can start seeing who’s cheating or not.
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specifically with swords, how it worked originally was actually very internally consistent-- it only stopped monsters from attacking if they were already on the field when it was played. it wasn't until the card got printed irl that the effect changed.
Literally came to say this exact thing. All of the "cheating" in season one that was based on card effects and such is really invalid because there were no cards nor rule set in real life so that only leaves things like kaiba threatening to end his life to win or uploading the virus to blue eyes for yugi to win or things that contradicted rules set in the show itself like the field bonus and winged vs ground monsters
A rule in season 1 that isn't ever stated in the manga or in the anime (but that is always verified) is that when a monster dies by card effect, its owner loses half of its attack as life points. This removes several "cheat points"
I wonder if Yugi cheats more than his "villains" opponents, because they often pull some bullshit (especially Pegasus and Marik)
Technically all of the spells that were played during the opponent’s turn, are actually legal as long as it was set. Because of the rules of Battle City, and Duelist Kingdom where you can treat normal spells as quick play spells. Also I remember hearing or reading somewhere that Time Wizard can be treated as a spell
Not only that, but thousand dragon's summoning condition requires Joey to make Time Wizard land on the time machine part of its roulette while controlling baby dragon (in the similar vein to how Dark Sage would work, except you don't end up with a brick card)
The first time we saw T-wiz he stated "text too small, so I'll use the real t-wiz instead"; So under this statement, playing time wizard will always be a cheat play 👀
It isn't so much that the rules let them treat normals as quick plays but rather that such distinction didn't exist. In the manga there were only regular spell cards and continuous spell cards and both could be activated in any turn as long as they were set first. The anime might have showed the "IRL" cards with their fancy new typing but for the most part they were played as they were written in the manga.
Yup u are correct
I thought that ruling was a property of a continuous spell that Kaiba used at the beginning of the duel against Yugi in the semifinals, you know, the card that also let them both search a spell. Also, those episodes came out quite later, after the filler season 3, so they were respecting some more rules at the time. Battle city preliminaries was pretty much DK, but with tributes and direct attacks, I had no idea that this exact rule with spells was stated somewhere
Battle City actually had rules that allowed Normal Spells to be activated as Quick-Play Spells.
In Battle City, Fusion Monsters can be treated as two tributes (Another rule Kaiba created.)
It's more accurate to say that in Battle City rules, fusion monsters can be treated as as many tributes as the amount of materials they are made with. Egyptian God Slime was made with Metal Reflect Slime and Revival Jam so it counts as 2. XYZ Dragon Cannon was made with X Head Cannon, Y Dragon Head and Z Metal Tank so it counts as 3.
Also fusion monsters cannot attack the turn they are summoned. Wanted to let y'all know
@@reikosta4861 unless if they play a specific spell card in the anime that allows a target fusion summoned monster to attack the same turn it is summoned. That spell is Quick Attack
thanks i was gonna say that but thanks
I know that in the finals between yugi and kaiba it was because of spell sanctuary, but I am unsure if that was the case for the other duels.
The Millenium Puzzle's power is to cheat. It has the power to rearrange the deck to suit the user. As long as you have a card that can save you, it will show up. It might even make new ones, since he draws cards we've never seen or heard of up to that point on a regular basis.
I remember that in the YGO "Pilot" (Back when the anime was simply dubbed the King of Games) Yugi and Kaiba were basically playing Calvinball augmented by Egyptian curses. To the point Kaiba ends it by literally smashing apart the battlefield with his last card to force the game into a draw.
6:10 Joey wasn't cheating there, he just came from the future and tried to pendulum summon!
@@drackmosby4088 Key word "tried"
U mean artifact?
But its face down
Pendul what?!
Time Wizard was originally a spell card in the manga. The anime has to alter a lot of stuff since it came out later, and it left a lot of holes. still fun to watch tho :)
I about lost it with the, "I'm not even gonna try with the God cards. It'll make my life easier. Let's move on."
There was one big flaw in the way the cheating was counted that I noticed. A few times when a monster was destroyed with a spell or trap and the owner lost LP, you'd count that as cheating thinking the spell or trap directly caused the damage, but there's a rule in Duelist Kingdom that states that when any monsters are destroyed by effects of any kind the owner of the monster takes half the current attack points at LP damage. This was to make sure there was some risk to summoning massive monsters as if they were killed with effects the owner would take a lot of damage with only 2000LP to start with each duel.
The weird thing about Time Wizard is that in the manga it is a spell card and in the anime it acts as such, but uses the real life card's effect monster design
The funnier part is that in the real life game and the Konami official games it’s a playable monster with an unwritten quick play spell effect called “aging” which is how it allows specific special summons like baby dragon into thousand year dragon even though it isn’t fused or how it turns baby red eyes dragon into regular red eyes black dragon or how it turns magicians apprentice into dark magician and silent swordsman ( younger) into silent swordsman
I feel like you shouldn't have given them points for 'using a card wrong' if the 'wrong' way they used the card was internally consistent since some things just changed when being ported to the irl card game. I.E. Spell binding circle consistently lowered attack by 700 in the anime, or magical hats lasting for more than 1 turn.
Or how in the original, Time Wizard WAS a Spell Card and not a Monster, so they had Joey use it as a spell more often than not. And with the "Aging" thing, I wanna say that much like playing cards in face up defense mode, they did it for visual effect rather than the actual effect. Time Wizard's effect would age monsters in the show (if translated to the real game, these strategies would likely equal out to Time Wizard destroying the monster and Joey having his monster attack them directly, but since Duelist Kingdom had the no-direct attacks rule, they couldn't show that and just made them age.) and when Joey's Baby Dragon turned into Thousand Dragon, he still had the Baby Dragon card on the field, so it was just visual changes. This also happened with many Toon monsters. If a monster became a Toon under Pegasus' control, the cards were shown on his field in non-toon form, but the hologram was all toony~
@@SageTigerStar i'd need to double check how consistent this is, but i think time wizard doubles baby dragon's attack points and halves the attack points of other overly aged monsters ?
I agree with the rule of consistency. If throughout the series a cards effect is consistent but different from the current printing there should be no points. Also you should be double checking all the rules for the cards because the JP original cards or OCG cards sometimes had different effects from the English or other translated card from the TCG rules. And my big sticking point from watch this, yugi uses shift correctly in the duel against kaiba. It’s effect states that “with this card a servant with the highest attack stands in the forefront. The enemy can only attack the front servant. It can also be a trap”. Which can easily be interpreted as, switch target monster with a monster in your hand with the highest attack. Your opponent can only attack this monster (“this turn” because this would make the text make sense in the context it’s shown in but I’m goin for a direct interpretation ) this card can also be played as a trap card.
Not to mention that it was obvious yugi was going to win not bc he cheated hard bur bc series revolved around him and he had more duels . Smh
Except Time Wizard was played as a monster and spell. He didn’t do it against Rex because he lost his Baby Dragon.
Flawed premise: you need to count the fact that Yugi cheats every time by having supernatural powers and having another more experienced player tell him what to do, someone he's communicating with in secret. Would not be allowed.
Yeah but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who could provide proof that he's using magic, especially during a tourney not sponsored by and/or including kaiba in the brackets ( bc kaiba don't give a fuck, he just wants his run back and a subsequent W that he'll never get)
It's not another person per say but a ghost and nothing in the yugioh rules days that getting help from ghosts is against the rules
Is there anything on the rules specifically outlawing magic?
@@billyweed835 no but I assume rules govern communication with any third parties not in the duel.
@@guardsmanwithcripplingdepr4594
Excuse me, judge, I have it on good authority that my opponent has been possessed by an ancient spirit that is feeding them advice.
Regarding the life point loss thing with Mirror Force and the other cases- that's seems to be one of the rules of Duelist Kingdom. It doesn't crop up after that, but there every time a monster is destroyed by a spell/trap life points are lost. Specifically it seems to be half the attack of the destroyed monster.
Xyz canon is a contact fusion monster... Kaiba didn't use polymerization to summon it so that's why it gets over the "fusion monsters can't attack on the first turn" rule
To be honest, season 1 shouldn't count because the rules were all over the place and in the end whoever bullshits the most is declared the winner (within reason of course). The real life cards are made after the episode/chapter so it usually means the text is corrected to be playable/understood by both players. Some cards are so vague that it makes more sense for whoever uses it to interpret it however they see fit as long as they can explain it to the opponent what it will do. So yeah, bullshiting.
The BS were the rules, if you could make a sequence make sense then it was legal
Actually a lot of those cheets aren't quite right though. There were additional rules in the two tonament that he didn't mention at all. For example the xyz dragon Cannon tribute was worth 3 sacrifices as the battle city rules states fusion monsters are treated as the same number of tributes as materials.
Also duelist kingdom had some odd Mechanics added to the rules that weren't explain very well. Also kaibas shadow spell redused by 800 in the show not 700 like in the game.
@@johnnyhall9154 yep. S1 was about as much DND as it is a trading card game
Here just to make sure some said season 1 doesn’t count because the cards were made after
Granted, the first season of Yu-Gi-Oh, like the first season of any series made to sell other merchandise almost never takes itself seriously, making up bullshit as it goes along just for the sake of the spectacle so that the "dumb kids" those guys think watch their show will buy the actual product.
I like how the first YuGiOh series was more of a game of interpretation and smartass leaps in logic instead of hard and fast rules also most of Joeys points were machine errors than actual cheating, excpet for Time Wizard I guess even though it's effect is consistent throughout the anime
I think the card game wasn't actually made until season 2 of the anime. And even then I'd assume the manga was already pretty far past the season 2 by the time it started. So the manga was kind of just a fun little card game that the author could do whatever with. Then they made the actual card game later because of how popular the anime was getting.
Ah but in the anime Mai Valentine, Rex Raptor and Bandit Keith were high ranking tournament players. If there is an official world tournament there must be some kind of rules system in place.
@@krampusklaws2238 I don’t believe he was talking about the in world rules but the real life ones that came from the series
Some of these are the results of cards changing effects mid-anime. Sometimes the effect is vague enough for it to make sense though. Mirror Force says "When an opponent's monster attacks, redirect the attack to all Attack Position monsters your opponent controls." Some people have interpreted this as the attacking monster attacking the controller's monsters instead which would inflict damage equal to the difference between its ATK and the ATK of every destroyed monster with lower ATK. This would also make monsters that cannot be destroyed by battle unable to be destroyed by it but this has never come up. For a lot of cards, they simply have different effects in the anime that weren't shown on the card. Time Wizard's effect when you call it right (a 2/3 chance in the anime instead of a 1/2 chance like IRL) causes all monsters to age 1000 years. As for the damage, while not outright stated, most people believe there was a rule that if a monster is destroyed by a card effect, the controller takes damage equal to half its ATK. For the spells being used as quickplay, that was simply the case for all spells at the time. It was changed to only be during the battle phase or your turn in Battle City. Of course, a lot of this was still blatantly cheating.
I think in Duelist Kingdom there was a rule that if your monster was destroyed by any effect, you lose LP equal to half its Attack. Felt pretty consistent throughout the season (even if it was a bit half-assed with its approach at times)
And of course, the rule was barely mentioned in passing in the Japanese anime, and never mentioned in the English dub. Go figure, lol
Yugi: I conveniently pulled this one card that gives me 6 cards from the top of my deck even though I never used it before.
Noah: You still have to pull the 6 exact cards that you need
Yugi: :)
Noah: You stacked the deck, didn't you
Yugi: ;)
I feel like Magical Hats and Mystic Box shouldn't have been counted based on their real life counterparts and it should have been judged based on if it's effect is consistent. Like sure, in the real game Magical Hats only works for 1 turn, but in the anime it always is shown working until Yugi is out of hats, so using it like that isn't cheating.
also the type of card for hats changes from spell to trap.
Especially because the card didn't exist yet when the anime came out.
I agree, if the card in the anime has consistent effects, it could be that the effect were changed when adapted into the playing card game we have. So instead of basing the effect on the real card, it would be more convincing, if wecan get the text that is shown in the anime and judge based on that. Ex: If the text on the card in the anime says spell binding circle doesn't decrease attack points, then it would be a cheat. Otherwise, the 700 decrease is consistent.
wrong the card its self is a 1 time trap it says nothnig about the tokens being destoryed after the 1 turn use of the actual card yugi used it correct
Well that's cuz of the holograms
I would also like to say that, during the “Ghost Kaiba” fight, Kaiba should _technically_ get 1 extra point. He doesn’t ask the “ghost” to duel for him, but it still counts as a proxy for two reasons:
1. It’s his deck. Not just a recreation, but the actual deck.
2. Kaiba’s “ghost” enters under a fake name.
Additionally, Kaiba cheated death.
Not a violation of DM rules, but cheating is cheating.
I love these kinds of videos. The only thing I would say is it's stated that set spell cards can be used as a quickplay, and fusions can be tributed for the amount of materials they needed
If youre wondering why people took random damage when their monsters are destroyed by card effects (weevil loosing a ton when he got mirror forced) its actually a part of the rules players take 50% of their monsters attack as damage when that happens
That's actually not quite right, if I'm not mistaken. The reason why they lost life points when Mirror Force was activated is because it specifically redirects the attack back at all the other monsters on the opponent's field, meaning that they are technically taking battle damage in those cases
@@matthewkuscienko4616 idk about how the anime works, but mirror force simply destroys them, no damage taken.
@@TSfish94 I'm aware of how Mirror Force works in real life, but I was talking specifically about how it worked when played in Duelist Kingdom. You can see this very clearly in his duel with Pegasus, for example: Yugi activated Mirror Force when Pegasus attacks with Toon Summoned Skull (2500 attack), and he also controls Manga Ryu Ran (2200 attack) and Toon Mermaid (1400 attack), Pegasus loses 1400 life points as a result (2500 - 2200 is 300, and 2500 - 1400 is 1100, for 1400 total life points lost). As I stated in my previous comment, Mirror Force in Duelist Kingdom literally redirects the opponent's monster's attack back at their monsters, resulting in battle damage being taken
@@matthewkuscienko4616 TGS Anime has a video that goes over all of the OFFICIAL rules in duelist kingdom. The burn damage on monster destruction IS a thing. th-cam.com/video/RNICwp8ZZ9s/w-d-xo.html
@@matthewkuscienko4616 OG Mrror force acted like a quasi-Magic Cylinder
14:46 Technically, the hologram cheated, not Yugi. Yes, it was to Yugi's benefit, but he didn't tell Dark Magician to cheat. lol
After all those years under Yugis influence, dark magician forgot how not to cheat in a duel
@@NeroG4ming lmao fair enough. XD
Same goes for Joey and his Arm Shield, Joey never said that the opponent should take the damage, the machine just deducted them wrongly...
Tbh then that would be 2 because the duelist kingdom arc, when kaiba used the virus, Yugi didn't know it was a thing however in both times he used the exploit to get the upper hand.
Doesn't change all the other cheats even if that is not what you meant, actually even if that is not what you meant idk why you are mentioning this mistake did he tell you guys in this video to help him out with the video?
Actually, in battle city, all spell cards are treated as quick plays as well as there already type so minus one for yugi aunt Annie, which usually does that because that’s what everybody does in battle city even kaida I think
19:43 battle city rules says that you can tribute a fusion monster as the amount of monsters used to summon it. Look at kaiba during his duel with yugi
I wanna talk about how Bandit Keith arbitrarily decided that Machine monsters are immune to Magic Cards, even if he isn't part of the main trio being discussed. There were a lot of other arbitrary bits like that, but this one stands out the most to me.
not to mention the fact he had cards up his sleeve and was legit cheating?
Except they treated it like common knowledge.
Also wasn’t he tge one who made the rule about zombie monsters being unkillable and gets stronger after every defeat
Now I do okay zombies but that would be bullshit
@@jmurray1110 I forgot if that was just a Zombie thing or the effect of anime Call of the Haunted.
@@SwerveStarEx I think it was a generic zombie thing
The real questions are this:
How many times does the Pharoh cheat while in Yugi's body?
How many times is destiny draw used throughtout the duels?
How many times is Destiny Draw used?
Knowing Yuugi, *yes*
me: pharoh how many times did you use the Millenium puzzle to cheat
Pharoh: Yes...
yugi: dont give me that bullshit its every time
Pharoh: shut up yugi!
yugi moto i think only cheats those two times during the final duel will the pharoh has always dueled for yugi which we see so is it really fair to say yugi has all those cheats cause someone else was using his body to duel for him
I think the random life point losses from card effects had to do with the unique rules. While you couldn't attack directly, you could damage them when monsters died to effects. It was probably a fraction of their atk or def.
This made me realize that Time Wizard never behaved as a monster in the entire series. Joey would summon it, use its effect and TW would immediately leave the field after it resolved.
In duelist kingdom, whenever a monster is destroyed by a card effect, the owner of that card takes damage equal to half its attack.
Meaning every time somebody reduced life points with an effect that doesn't do that, the damage they took was due to Duelist Kingdom rules, not cheating.
I've never heard of the winged vs wingless rule in duelist kingdom.
Duelist Kingdom was a lawless land, and existed before the game had official rules. Thanks to these nonexistent rules, everyone had the power to attack and play spells during the opponent's turn, though not everyone took advantage of this.
Comparing a card's anime effect to its real effect is, in my opinion, invalid, especially when you show a screen showing the card's anime effect. The anime uses the card long before we get the real card. Effects change. Even if the anime effects are vague, they're done consistently enough to know exactly what the card does.
.....with the exception of Makiu, which apparently had a different effect every time.
Time Wizard can be treated as a spell in the anime.
Duelist Kingdom was a land where the laws of the game hadn't been finalized, or even had a concept. Back then, there were card's and effects and base rules, but Duelist Kingdom was more of a tactics game, where a card's flavor text, appearance, or even how it attacks (summoned skulls lightning) affects the game entirely. So it's really difficult to call really anyone a cheater back then.
Except bandit kieth and pegasus, who literally cheated.
Battle City, any spell can be used as a quick-play spell.
XYZ Dragon Canon at this point in the anime was not a fusion monster, or a monster in general. what we see on screen, though visually is is XYZ Dragon Canon, is at this point in the anime just X equipped with Y and Z, each has the anime effect of powering up X. You can see this clearly, as when he summons Z you can still see X on his duel disk.
Battle city rules, fusion monsters count as 1 tribute for every material used to summon it.
Since XYZ is not a fusion monster, it is likely Kaiba unequipped them to count as 3 tributes, but this step was just skipped over to save time
I haven't watched Battle city in a while so I don't know if you ever see Kaibas duel disk when he has XYZ out there.
Even with these I doubt it would remove enough points to change the final outcome.
My thoughts exactly Yu-Gi-Oh at that time barely just came out so the fact that he’s comparing the two doesn’t really make any sense
@hereiamkillme01 YES! You shouldn't compare the show to the real card game. That just doesn't work
You bring up a lot of good points. Mostly the winged vs wingless. There is no such official rule about this in the anime that I can tell
@@hungerbunger5985 Actually, the winged monster rule is used in Duelist Kingdom, it was mentioned in Joey's duel with Mai when he tried to attack her Harpy Lady. Also, about Time Wizard being treated as a spell card, the reason for this is because it originally WAS a spell card, which they don't change how that works in the anime
@@matthewkuscienko4616 I actually didn't know it was a spell card in the anime. That's good to note.
As for the flying thing. I honestly wonder if that's just Mai cheating because that's something that's only mentioned in that duel then. Because I honestly don't remember that being a thing. And as mentioned in the video it wasn't used at any other time. So since it was so inconsistent and not mentioned in the Yugioh wiki as duelist kingdom rules, I can't fault the main characters for not having this rule apply to them most of the time
I think Mako might have no more playable monsters in his hand resulting in a loss, you can't attack directly, but if you end your turn without any monsters on field, you lose in Duelist Kingdom
that is correct it would classify in Duelist Kingdom as a "Deck out"
Which actually makes sense as a rule in a tournament with no direct attacks. Otherwise I could just play a monsterless stall deck and win because my opponent literally can't do anything to me. I never even thought about that before. It explains several of the losses in the tournament.
Seto Kaiba lost to Pegasus because he couldn't play any of his monsters except 1 as a result of Crush Card Virus.
16:21 from my understanding of the in game card text Brain control works regardless of it's sent to the graveyard or not as it's not an equip card just a spell that let's you take control of an opponent's monster until the end phase
A couple things, you mention cases of Mirror Force and Time Wizard doing damage, in season 1, if a monster was destroyed by card effect, the owner would take damage equal to half of the combined ATK the monsters had when on the field. 2nd: on the point of Panik’s monsters not being effected by swords due to field power bonus, Swords effect doesn’t prevent monsters from attacking, it prevents the opponent from declaring attacks in the first place, so swords doesn’t affect the monsters, it affects the player
Some of the cheating is also in the absurd luck the characters always have in duels. Like Yugi pulling all the pieces of exida without a single card like Sangan/etc. to help him pull the cards he needs from his deck. And Joey almost always getting his luck cards to land his way.
Fool, it’s not luck, it’s the spirit of the cards!
he actually does play sangan in that very duel but sangan doesn't have an effect in the manga/anime lol
Joey just have trash cards to support his red eyes deck otherwise he would probably be stuck with maybe just 20 or so called nvm he was broke
At that point in the game, there was no direct attacking and apparently no burn cards either so, as long as Yugi has monsters to set, he can just keep drawing until all the pieces are on his hand.
@@HoveringAboveMyself There weren't direct attacks, but you did need to be able to play at least one monster a turn or you'd lose. If you couldn't play any for whatever reason, then you lost straight out. It's mentioned explicitly in the Ryota fight back in the manga.
"If they set a rule, they have to follow it"
And then you ignore the rules of battle city, duelist kingdom et al., going against the rule you set for yourself. Paradox achieved
More like hypocritical
How? He literally explained what the unique rulings are for Battle City and Duelist Kingdom and pointed out when they were broken. It helps that Battle City was much more consistent in applying its unique rulings (that are exclusive to it and cannot be found in the TCG), so its not like he had much, if anything, to address in that department.
Is this comment intended to be libel?
@@boyishdude1234 Because for example: Yugi's magical hats card.
Every single time Yugi uses it in the anime, it lasts until he runs out of hats. But in the actual game, it's only for 1 turn.
But since it's like this EVERY time in the show, that means it wouldn't be cheating and is the actual effect of the card. Same with Spellbinding circle.
@@phyco9635 I don't consider that to be cheating since they're consistent, well-established anime only card effects. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with giving certain cards anime-exclusive card effects. It's not like Duel Monsters is the only show in the series that does that, anyway.
@@boyishdude1234 exactly, and the video creator crediting that as "cheating" is misleading because of that. And because this is so prevalent and happens all the time, it's inflating everyone's scores, especially Yugi's.
another rule of duelist kingdom is if your monster is destroyed you take half of its attack damage to your life points
In Battle city, all spell cards seem to be treated as quick-play. That does seem to follow your 6th criteria of them making a rule and following it.
Kind of surprised they never created a Mammoth Graveyard Blue Eyes Ultimate card based on that dual in the anime. It'd be kind of neat to have a card that is designed to counter blue eyes deck. Like, imagine it a card with 0 attack that you can special summon on your opponents side of the field by discarding one of your opponents cards with Blue Eyes in the title. Or even just any dragon monster.
It would cripple blue eyes and make Kaiba a real life threat due to his need for vengeance
kiber: screw the rules i have money!
Pharoh: screw the rules i have an ancient magic item!
When a rule is applied consistently, it doesn't magically become cheating just because you disagree with it. Likewise, when a rule is applied consistently with one singe exception, the exception is the one that cheated, not everything that *wasn't* that exception.
This is blatantly an attempt to cheat the system and as such i shall walk away and let cheating happen since cheating is entertaining.
This video breaks its own rules & therefore cheats. I'm pretty sure the flying monsters are uneffected by field power bonus wasn't actually a rule of the tournament yet it gets treated as 1 in this video. Magical Hats & Time Wizard were consistent with their anime use which was different from their real life counterparts.
18:15 depends here. Is it XYZ dragon cannon the fusion monster specifically here or is it the "XYZ dragon cannon" that's formed by using the effects of Y head dragon and Z tank?
I remember when I first started playing, I had all of these cards that I would not read, and would use the effects that they used in the show. Little did I know, I had been cheating for years.
in the anime all "magic" cards are quick spell cards
still you can not play quick spells from your hand during opponents turn
@@aulyakaurcau In the anime obviously you can :P
I expected something like: Every time Yugi shuffles a card to the top of his deck or: everytime Pegasus looks into the opponents hand
yeah I'm really surprised Pegasus wasn't even mentioned. Like, if we're going to accept the non-card action of Kaiba standing on the ledge, literal mind-reading is far more cheatsy. Although Pegasus never said "no mind reading" when he said "no direct attacks," so like: heck.
According to Duelist Kingdom rules, if a monster is destroyed by a card effect, the owner of that monster loses life points equal half its attack. Also, again according to the rules, spell cards could be activated during the Battle Phase. Lastly, the rule about a monster having wings is probably based on the Attribute and Type of the monster, rather than the artwork. This means that cards that have neither a WIND attribute or a Winged-Beast type, were not considered to fly; which explains why Joey was able to attack Rex's monsters without a penalty to his monsters, as those monsters were Dinosaur or Dragon non-WIND attribute monsters.
THIS.
The way the old swords of the revealing light works in the 1st draft of duel monsters(only 1 episode) is. It stops only monsters that are "currently on the field" from attacking. Also, any monster "must attack or defend" every turn. Meaning if you have a Battle Ox, opponent plays Mystic Elf face up as their only monster. You, the Battle Ox player, if you have nothing to destroy Mystic Elf, must either:
1. put your battle ox into defense mode
or
2. attack mystic elf and lose 300 hp.
These can be seen if you play the very 1st Yugioh game on gameboy.
I remember when yugi used polymerization to fuse mammoth and blue eyes. Wtf?!
Foreshadowing Super Polymerization at it's finest
it was season 1 rules
@Sules Max: the duel with kiba freezbe duel in duelist kingdoom, so yugi used polymarization to fuse living arrow card with mammoth graveyard so that mammoth graveyard can fused with the blue-eyes ultimated dragon, if it was cheating the machine they where using would have said no.
The Living Arrow card allows you to apply the effects of cards onto other cards. Vague, but that's what it does. In this case, it forced a fusion between Mammoth Graveyard and the Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon, causing an improper fusion. As a result, the Ultimate Dragon fused into a decaying beast that lost ATK every turn.
I'm surprised the TCG never created a card for it. Imagine calling it "Undead Fusion" or "Improper Fusion," where the effect is "Target 1 Zombie-type monster you control. Equip it to one of your opponent's monster. During each of their standby phases, decrease their ATK by the original ATK of the equipped monster."
@@iRazenrak not even s1 rules pure plot armor
I'm pretty sure the manga was created before it was an official card game and if the anime copied the manga then you can assume.. the author was creating rules for the cards before they had their official rulings.. just watching the anime is probably really revealing what were the original idea's for each cards and its a good idea that the cards dont do what the anime was showing in real life because the game would of been really unbalanced and a joke to some degree.
Anime turn 1 endboards look pretty fair compared to what drytron can put out...
@@ich3730 ahh yes the discoball of Nope to everything you want to play!
The game *is* extremely unbalanced and a joke to some degree
I feel like when it comes to Duelist Kingdom, TGS Anime put it best in one of his videos. In that arc, it almost worked like D&D in a sense where if you did something you normally couldn’t do (such as attacking the field to reveal hidden monsters or remove the field effects) you could use an explanation that would technically make sense and you’d be fine.
Just saying that while not all of the points there should be null and void, I am saying that the ones that are related to weird explanations should probably be looked at again or even not taken into account
“Screw the rules I’m an ancient Egyptian pharaoh”
“Screw the rules I have money”
“ Screw the rules I have luck “
To be fair to some of these, the Yu-Gi-Oh anime rules aren't always the same as the ones in real life. For example, in Battle City (and maybe Duelist Kingdom, I can't remember) fusion summoned monsters couldn't attack the turn they're summoned without using a card effect. So things like characters using non-quick play spells as quick play speels may have been allowed.
Also, I'm sorry, but some of the "this card doesn't have that effect in real life, therefore this character cheated" is bullshit. I'll give you a pass on Attacking the Moon, Catapult Turtle, and Yugi's Mystical Elf/ Blue Eyes combo, since those are some shenanigans, but things like Time Wizard and Magical Hats I won't. Simply put, that's just how those cards work in the anime. I understand using the real life card if the text is too hard to read, but these effects are literally explained by the characters.
Funny thing is, Attacking the moon actually inspired a real card called Attack the Moon! It even features Full Moon and a "Giant Soldier" monster in its artwork, though it's Giant Soldier of Steel in the artwork rather than Giant Soldier of Stone.
Thats likely because the irl rules were modified because of the show's brokeness or if cards were too strong or turns took too long, but the show took much much longer to adjust.
It's not just that the players explain the effects, it's that the effects are used multiple times in the exact same fashion so there's obvious consistency in the way they function.
Honestly an entertaining video. I just wished it had been focused more on them ignoring mechanics instead of them having different effects in the anime than they do in the show. They are at least consistent in the show, no one activates a card that yugi also activates but it has its real world effect instead of the anime effect. This kinda proves that it just has a different effect in that universe than it does in the card game of ours. ie other people use despell as a quick play too.
yugi: I never cheated at anything in my entire life
this video:
Joey being the "why are you hurting yourself?" guy. At least the cheats are somewhat consistent lol
Yugi: "I use spellbinding circle, it's effect is what I need the effect to be"
@Zeedware: that is incorrect yugi did not cheat, because if he did the machine that the card was play on would do the effect it is suppose to do, and not the effect that yugi mention
@@SuperNickid Bro it's a TV show made by writers, not an actual piece of technology. It does whatever the writer/s want it to do. This is exactly why "anime effects" exist where a card functions differently in the show than it does in real life. The same thing applys to the dueling machine, it literally does whatever the writer/s want it do to.
Also I think ur in denial to the amount of bullshit that Yugi pulls throughout the series.
Yugi: "I use Spellbinding Circle, but treat it like Shadow Spell because I forgot to pack Shadow Spell!"
5:12 Mystical Elf actually has that effect, but only in the old Game Boy games. Dark Duel Stories, I think, is the name of at least one of them.
so you are sitting on an effect froma videogame instead on the real one
@@chukarec I'm just explaining why it's there. If you think Duelist Kingdom had any interest in following the real card game, you've come to the wrong place.
@@chukarec even real live they rereleased card and change card texts. Sometimes they even change their attributes and even their name. So it normal when even real life card have different card texts and you play stick to what it said in the card text anyway.
Just a thought. In yugi vs pegasus in DK, you said he uses "arrow of life" or whatever he used against kaiba. But wasnt it spell shattering arrow he used against pegasus? Or am i misremembering?
Thanks for the wonderful background music ;) lol
When was it ever stated that Flying Monsters negated the field power bonus under normal circumstances in Duelist Kingdom? A lot of these cheats were stretches such as the Magical Hats using real world effect rather than in anime effect.
Mai uses this rule against Joey in their duel
In fairness to Dragon Nails, it could be equipping to “Dragon” monsters instead of Dragon-type. This works with other cards like Cyber Dragon and Ancient GearGadjiltron Dragon (also machines), but not cards like Gray Wing or Black Stone of Legends (dragon type monsters).
Also, anime Revival Jam does specify it revives to the side of the field it was destroyed on, so that should be one less point for Yugi. I’m at 16m tho and honestly, I doubt it’d make a difference
Also, In the anime, Red Eyes Dark Metal Dragon is just Red Eyes equipped with Metalmorph, not an entirely new card, so its still a Dragon type monster.
The Revival Jam one is definitely still a cheat. You can't target a *dead* monster with Brain Control. (ie. Yugi destroyed the Jam by battle, then somehow took control of it before it finished reviving, so that Slifer would see it being summoned to Yugi's field)
Btw why did yugi even bother to do that whole thing with revival jam
He could have activated brain control normally, without the weird combat interaction thing, and it still would work, no? Like, whether it just revived or not, revival jam is still being placed on the battlefield on yugi's side, triggering slifer... anyway im overthinking this
yugi vs mako: is it possible that the additional effects of the cards are caused by the rules of the tournament i.e. the moon causing the water to rise and such?
There is a reason there's meme in Latin America about "Yugi trampas locas" which translates to "Yugi crazy traps" in which he beats basically any anime character by playing dirty or reminding them about their past failures 😂
Yugi would've been an excellent villain. Even better than Kaiba I would say
Actually spellbinding circle in some of the really old games did reduce stats. I believe in dark duel stories for the GBC starts functioned on a +/- system kind of long DnD. Spellbinding circle gave either a -2 or -3 iirc which translated to a 20 or 30% reduction in atk and def
I think you're confusing Spellbinding Circle with Shadow Spell. 1st one doesn't reduce attack, 2nd one does.
@@nijunikuro i remember shadow spell being it's own thing. I'm not talking about the real TCG though. Just that some older gameboy titles had weird effects for cards
@@earthboundisawsome Ah, sorry. I've played a good number of the GBA YuGiOh games and iirc Spellbinding Circle and Shadow Spell had their TCG effects in them, but I'm guessing you're referring to the GBC and early GBA games (which I haven't played myself)?
@@nijunikuro yeah. Specifically I'm thinking of Dark Duel Stories, which came out in 2000 on the GBC iirc. That being said who knows how good my memory is after 20 years.
I love how Spellbinding Circle had Shadow Spell's effect the whole time(which would have been fine if the latter didn't exist, but Kaiba USED Shadow Spell, sooo...)
The thing with players taking damage out of seemingly nowhere is because in duelist kingdom they had a rule where when a monster was destroyed by an effect the controller would take damage equal to half the monsters attack.
In the first season, if a monster is destroyed by effect, the player takes damage effect. This rule comes from season 0, and still applied to Duelist Kimgdom
Two things first in duelist kingdom it seems to have operated on the rule of cool. So long as you can justify it it works. Second did you ever watch yugioh season zero? They somewhat explain the pre duelist kingdom rules they use some of them such as if you have no monsters to defend your field you automatically lose thats why the life points were so low originally.
You should rewatch the initial Yugi vs Kaiba duel. Most of the stuff in it was pure magic and not rules. For example, Yugi uses the Millennium Puzzle to destroy Kaiba's Blue Eyes and Kaiba uses Gremlin's special ability to *drumroll* end the duel (Split the Land).
Loosing life points when your monster is destroyed was part of the duelist kingdom rules
Specifically when it was from a card effect, I think. Not sure how the damage was calculated.
The "does not deal effect damage" during duelist kingdom is a part of the duelist kingdom rulings, where if you destroy an opponents monster using an effect, it inflicts damage equal to a % of the monsters attack.
This is exactly what I wanted to see in my recommendeds. Loved this!
Pegasus literally used magic to see his opponent's cards. It's gotta be him.
Yugi/Yami Yugi literally *manipulates Fate* in _every single one_ of his Duels. And he gets a _lot_ more screen time than Pegasus does. The writing's on the Stone Tablet no matter the excuse - Yugi is the King of Cheaters!
3:08 during the duelist Kingdom of a Monsters Is destroy by a card effect you Lose Life points equal ti the half of the Attack of the Monster
Yes, that is true, but in this situation, the reason Weevil took damage was due to the Anime effect of Mirror Force, where the attack of the monster is redirected at every other monster controlled by Weevil.
@literarywho there's a spell card called Destroy The Moon or something like that involving the Giant Soldier of Stone in its image doing what's done in the anime. Not sure if it was out at the time, but it's a similar situation to Harp Lady Sisters
Also, I dunno about some of the season 1 points. The original manga messed with many different kinds of games and just like in Hunter x Hunter with Killua's hardening hands and such before the creator focused on Nen as a staple of the anime, Takahashi was figuring out exactly how he wanted Duel Monsters to work. The effects of stuff like that scorched earth card for Curse of Dragon wad all a part of his idea of logic and environment playing a major role in the anime. I feel like there's a substantial difference between stuff like playing Polymerization during your opponent's turn and the creator figuring out the logic of the game and world. It's still the characters adhering to the logic the creator is working with, just like Weevil uses poison to weaken Yugi's fusion and Yugi uses Makiu to wash the poison from the atmosphere
1. I agree that double summoning and fusion summons aren’t possible in the same turn in the anime but joey canonically is only performing 1 summon of baby dragon then activating time wizards effect to special summon thousand year dragon (which is Konami approved way of summon in all formats of the game) this aging effect should only apply to dark magician (younger self) silent swordsman (younger self) and a dragon type monster lv 3 or lower (later changed from baby dragon because it was mended to include baby red eyes dragon) however any instance that time wizard is summoned and then effect activated on baby dragon in hand or summoned second is a rule violation baby dragon has to be on the field first and time wizard is used as a quick play spell for special summoning 🎉
@tpsplatnium3562: 2. I completely agree that the rules explained in battle city should be applied to the battle city sections
3:17 in the First season of Yu-Gi-Oh, every spell card are quick play spell
I feel like this isnt cheating though. The cards in the game just work differently than the the actual game because it makes it more interesting.
which is why he's using the effect as shown on the cards in the show, except when vagueness prevents him from doing so.
In Duelist Kingdom mirror force causing LifePoint damage was a rule that they used on the island cause there are multiple times where a monster being destroyed by the effect of a card causes monsters original owner to lose a fraction of the combined totals of all destroyed monsters attack points.
Before Video
The only case of cheating I remember is when Joey played Rex in Duelist Kingdom he used time wizard and the wand didn’t spin to see if time would go forward, but every other time the wand spun
I can explain the Kunai with Chain and Wall Shadow one. he didn't use both effects to switch the monster and power up celtic guardian, he just powered up the celtic guardian to 1900 overpowering the 1600 atk wall shadow...however then in the following turn Axe Raider had the equip card so still cheating.
The Manga/Anime Card Effect for Kunai with Chain (and similarly with Blast with Chain) stated that it did its Battle Position-Changing Effect, and then Equipped to a Warrior-Type Monster to boost its ATK by 500. The OCG/TCG made it only do one or the other as a game-balancing measure - something that covers most of the cards the Characters 'Cheat' with in this video...
@@lianaverwood9810 The wording on anime Kunai with Chain states that the Monster's battle position _can_ be changed, meaning it's an optional effect, though the attack gain is mandatory. This is actually unlike the card game, where you can opt to not raise your Monster's attack.
@@Hyperneosonic97 Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks for the correction!
@@lianaverwood9810 Another thing I noted is that you said the TCG/OCG said it makes you do only one or the other? That's not true. The only change is that the battle position effect requires you to target an opposing monster that has declared an attack. You can still use the attack boosting and battle position change effect simultaneously.
@@Hyperneosonic97 As far as I knew, you weren't able to, but you're likely right in that depending upon when you activate the card you have the option of switching a Monster's Battle Position - though if the switching effect was only in response to an Attack being declared, then it still means it's been adjusted from the Anime/Manga Effect...
Really feel like the ones caused by judging a card by it's IRL version shouldn't have counted... as the card effects change often from their anime versions to their irl versions. And in some cases so drastically, that they are basically different cards...... especially the cases of the super vague effects (what, you counted Shift's super vague effect as cheating but not "Maiko the Magical Mist"?).... or when the card in constant every time it is used (like Spellbinding Circle's attack reduction or Magical Hats lingering for longer then a turn).
In fact, I think most of duelist Kingdom's "cheats" shouldn't have counted... as that was written back before the game was even fully formed yet, so it is only natural for a LOT of things to happen in that super early version that wouldn't be allowed now... like basically any time they pulled out the D&D logic, as those types of games is something that Kazuki Takahashi (sorry if I misspelled his name) likes and wanted in there, but had to scrap for balancing issues... hence why they happened a lot in Duelist Kingdom but were very rare once some actual rules were finalized come battle City.
And lastly, I also think that it would have been better to do something like have a separate count for the anime and the manga versions of the duels... as some cards changed even between just those two versions (like how Copycat and Time Wizard were monsters in the anime... but Spell/Traps in the Manga, so it is fair in the manga but not in the anime when they made the change without adjusting the duel to correct it).
I think its still cheating if Yugi did things that were consistently against the rules, even then. Like using any spell as a quickplay, playing traps as spell cards, drawing on your opponents turn, skipping standby phases, etc. Stuff like that.
@@GeteMachine And most examples of that happening break down when you look at them and what was going on closer.
Using normal spells as quickplay? That was just a thing in battle city, like a lack of Tributes in Duelist Kingdom (because battle city's rules still weren't 1-for-1 with irl rules back then).
Playing Traps as spell cards... only time I can think of that that happened was with Lightforce sword against the Exodia Rare hunter, Lightforce sword was a spell card in the Manga... so see my last point about why I think separate counts should have been done for the anime and the manga.
Drawing on the opponent's turn ad skipping standby phases... your going to need to give examples on that for me to follow up on those.
@@13KuriMaster 3:11
If I’m honest I don’t remember them ever saying what the rules even are in the anime… sure we have our little rule book but how do we know it’s the same as the rules in the anime?
@@kunoryuki That's the thing... after some analysis we can conclude that the rules WEREN'T the same... There are even some videos going over what the actual rules were (can't remember the name of the guy that made them though... the videos were titles something like "The True rules of Duelist Kingdom" or something like that).
First season is Jr Rules
You can normal summon/set any monster once peer turn, you can only activate/set 1 spell/trap card peer turn, this is a ruleset that exist IRL, it wasnt an anime only thing and those are its rules
Kingom arc was in colaboration with D&D, so a lot of things that dont apply in the card game happen because like in D&D, if it makes sense within the context of the game, it can happen, cause D&D follows the rule of cool
Battle City is the introduction of advanced rules, but aditional rules were added, like Fusion Monster being unable to attack the turn they are summoned and all spell cards becoming quick spell cards (this rules are explained too in the show and manga) there are other things to note but there are videos that go more indept for those
Edit: also, many card on the show pass through many iterations and changes mechanically, heck Mirror Force passed through most retrains of it, with its strongest version being a combination of Mirror Force + Dark Mirror Force + Blazing Mirror Force but only for the oponent
Another good example is Dark Paladin that later on gains its spell negation effect while in its original debut didnt have it
"Trick attacks are possible in combination with a magician" has to be one of the best card effects ever.