Considering they copied the same plot structure for the sequel it would have been much better if they incorporated the 14-year gap between the movies into the plot. It could have started with the Underminer fight as a flash back and then it would skip 14 years to show how the characters changed (just like the first movie).
I love it when the canon time gap between the end of the first story & the beginning of the second are the exact same as the release date between the first & the second, so yeah that sounds great to me
I think the biggest issue with this movie is that Brad Bird, the writer/director of both Incredibles movies, doesn’t like making sequels. So when he went to make this, it was mostly because Disney wanted an Incredibles sequel. Whether Brad just wanted a good paycheck or didn’t want somebody besides him to write an Incredibles sequel, maybe both, or neither, it’s clear that it wasn’t because he actually wanted a sequel. I mean, look at the guy when he’s in interviews for this movie. He does not look happy to be there. And it shows through this movie with its lacking passion and creativity that made the original a classic. I’m sure this movie could have been worse, but it wouldn’t have gotten made in the first place if Disney wasn’t so ambitious to bank on the first Incredibles. And if the past five years or so have taught us anything about Hollywood, it’s that movies are better when the filmmaker wants it BEFORE the studio does.
It explains a lot. The villain didn't thematically make sense like Syndrome did, there was so much filler when the first movie was packed with character moments...plus, look back at Bird's filmography. The guy is a _phenomenal_ storyteller, but he has to...y'know, give a shit about that story first. There was an interview where he basically said "Disney had been pressuring me to make a sequel, but I couldn't come up with any new ideas that I thought would work or even liked. Eventually I just came up with _something_ because they were being relentless about a sequel." Which...yeah, explains a lot.
SHUT UP, IT WAS TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE, BORING. INCREDIBLES 2 IS THE BIGGEST SHIT INSTEAD OF THE FIRST ONE THAT IS A OBER MASTER. 1THE VILLIAN SUCKED 2 THEY WASTED UNDERGROUND 3 JACK JACK WAS VERY GOOD IN THE 1 BUT HERE HE WAS ANNOYING THAT MADE THE MOVIE SO CHILDISH THAT IT GOT RAGE ME AT THE POINT OF GET ANGRY FOR THE IDIOTS LAUGHING AT THE CINEMA ENJOYING THE FUCKING PRECIOUS WASTED MINUTES OF A MOVIE WHO HAD A GREAT PREQUEL AND COULD HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLE. 4 ELASTIGIRL ELASTIGRIL AND MORE ELASTIGIRL, SHE IS BORIIING!!! WE WANT TO SEE MORE OF SAH AND MR INCREDIBLE, NO THE GIRL SUFFERING FOR LOVE AND SHIT LIKE THAT, I MEAN IS A SUPERHERO MOVIE NOT A FUCKINF ROMANTIC COMEDY. AFTER ALL OF THIS POINTS AL I CAN SAY IS: PIXAR NOWADAYS IS AN ABSOLUTE TRASH!
Actually, Brad Bird had always envisioned the sequel to be purely a role-reversal between husband/wife just as soon as he finished the first film according to his book. For him aging the characters doesn't particularly interest him as their powers are reflective to their given archetypes. If there was any reason for him to appear tired in those said interviews it's probably because he just finished an incredibly ambitious project where the studio cut a full year off from their production schedule. Alot of things that were precious to him were probably cut from this film, as he stated that there were many loose-ends during pre-production that he wished he had explored. I personally found this movie among my favorites from the 2010s era of Pixar, but I totally get how some people can have differing expectations for what would best follow up The Incredibles.
I kinda agree with these statements the most, as it’s very hard to believe that the cast and crew spent all those years making the sequel in the first place, wouldn’t make sense. Along with the fact that Disney had all that time to ask Brad about a sequel but they never did, so the question is: why try to make a sequel now when it’s already too little too late?
The worst thing About this movie for me was my dad’s reaction.. my dad loves the first incredibles so much so he was super excited about the second one, but he didn’t like it. My dad is an Air Force vet who is a big family man, you can tell how much he related to Mr.Incredible, but the second movie made him a big man baby that gets jealous of his wife’s success and gets frustrated that he has to spend time with his kids. It was such a huge insult to the original Mr. Incredible’s arc and in a way to my dad. I Hate this movie.
I know! Thats just an insult to men in general and pushes stereotypes that a man will be jealous if his wife is more successful and/or that he should hate or view spending time with his family and kids as a burden or waste of time. Plenty of men love their families and want their wives to be just as successful of them. This isn't the 1600s where only men get to have jobs, lives, and success or that is seen as odd if a woman has those things. Like, come on.
He’s not jealous, he’s nothing but supportive of her throughout the whole film. He’s not frustrated that he has t spend time with the kids, he just has trouble balancing everything.
@@DuelaDent52 I mean, they kind of seemed to be leaning hard in that direction with the way they had Mr. Incredible all concerned in that one scene where Winston enlists Elastigirl to save the runaway train. Also, there was some quippy dialogue about it ending with Helen smashing Bob with a pillow.
@@shadowspider9 That’s because as the first movie emphasised over and over, he NEEDS to help and be useful, he can’t stand sitting by while injustice plays out.
@@DuelaDent52 Not in the 2nd movie he cant adjust his pride for his wife. Remember in 1st movie boys night out Bob and Lucius doing stake out on a police radio, that happened w/o public praises yet Bob went thru jealousy arc
Incredibles 1 was a lot more violent and had high stakes. The villain and many of his henchmen died. Incredibles 2 on the other hand had no deaths and low stakes. It felt more like a Scooby-Doo plot.
Fun fact: The 14 -year gap between Incredibles 1 and 2 was the longest waiting time between a Disney/Pixar movie and its follow-up. Finding Dory (2016)'s 13-year gap was the 2nd longest, Monsters University (2013) was the 3rd longest with a 12-year gap, and Toy Story 3 (2010) was the 4th longest with an 11-year gap.
It was originally going to be a 15-year gap as a meta easter egg of Syndrome's line "You're too late, 15 years too late." But then _Toy Story 4_ needed a rewrite or something and _The Incredibles 2_ was pushed forward to release a year early. Which ruined the joke, and is probably a big reason for some of the film's faults.
To me the biggest mistake of this Incredibles 2, is the same as lot of other nowadays productions: They don't take enough risks. They're trying so hard everytime to not shake the audience by showing and telling us things that will be generaly accepted. They usually end up with flat content, nothing too sharp, too surprising or else. Just like a lonely kid that want friends so bad that he end up not saying anything, scared of hurting anybody.
YESSS YESSS. I honestly think part of it is the "please everyone, no bad vibes, accept everything, challenge nothing" mindset especially found online is ruining a lot of media. Everything feels so safe and boring now, at least what's produced in the US. So many sequels to movies like this that are made over a decade later and probably by entirely different teams feel like a completely different company trying to make a sequel to a movie without having fully seen the original. I wanted to love the Incredibles 2, but I didnt. I'm so glad others see past the hype, I thought I was the only one. xD
I just don’t like this movie at all. In the first movie, Mrs. Incredible was so against her husband wanting to be a super hero. But once she gets offered to become a hero again, she just runs off loving her new superhero life?!? Leaving her husband and kids behind just like Mr. Incredible did in the first movie???? It seems like every character acts like the first movie didn’t happen. Mr. Incredible learned a lesson by the end of the movie while Mrs. Incredible didn’t learn nothing. Also the fact that NOBODY mentions Syndrome is such a serious crime too. Also Syndrome>>>>>>>>>>Screenslaver
YES. syndrome is INFINITELY better. easily one of my favorite disney villains so honestly i was beyond upset with how evelyn/screenslaver turned out in juxtaposition.
And it's especially inexcusable when the sequel picks up right where the original left off. Seriously, they couldn't just give it a timeskip like the first one had?
@TheGlassesPro How ironic that a movie that came out 14 years after the original got rushed into production to make way for another sequel that came out 9 years after the previous installment. Would it really have been so bad if each movie came out a year later?
@TheGlassesPro I guess. I mean, in hindsight releasing a Toy Story movie in 2020 would have been awful, but I don't know why they thought it was absolutely necessary to release both Incredibles 2 and Toy Story 4 early at the time.
If the sequel come out 4 or 5 years after the original, it would have been acceptable. But the fact that it took 14 years and it takes no risks or even a bit of edge in maturity, it's very disappointing. EDIT: Thanks guys for giving me the most liked comment in this section!
Well the Incredibles 2 is not the only long time sequel to come out. There was Bambi II which took 64 years to even make a sequel. It's like why even bother.
I don't know which is worse, the fact that the sequel took 14 years to make in the first place, or that in that amount of time, they couldn't come up with a more creative movie plot.
When I saw the first teaser for the movie with Jack Jack, I was imagining different ideas for what the movie might be about. And an idea I really liked popped into my head. I thought maybe the movie would be a flash forward to when Jack Jack is either a teen or young adult, and he's the villain of the story. His extreme amounts of super powers and inability to control them himself as well as being too powerful for even his parents or siblings or other supers to fully contain him caused him to grow up disturbed. He's used to being feared, feeling guilty for his powers blowing up on everyone, and also getting his way without earning it because people want to appease him. Or maybe even the government forcibly detaining him and separating him from his family because he would continuously out the existence of supers to the world without meaning to, and also him being considered a major threat by the government. And the story is basically the Incredibles dealing with the betrayal/emotional drama of him going bad and them facing off against Jack Jack while trying to get him to turn back to the good side. It sounds like it would be an interesting idea to me, anyway. But even if they didn't go with that idea, I thought they would at least do a significant flash forward. Especially since the actors are so much older now. But yeah... We can see how that turned out...
I think that Pixar still has a chance to go with that idea, it would at least be nice to see him as a teenager, maybe Elastigirl & Mr. Incredible die of old age near the beginning of the movie, which is more of a Disney thing than a Pixar thing but it could still work imo considering that Pixar has explored topics related to death in past movies.
Man I would sooooo watch an hypothetical "The Incredibles 3" if the plot revolved about Jack Jack being abducted by the government, and we see him causing all sorts of havoc in the structure he's detained while the rest of the family tries to understand first who's responsible for the kidnapping and then going to his rescue. Maybe also uncovering a secret section of the government in which many more particularly dangerous supers are detained. If "The Incredibles 2" followed something like this whith the same serious tone of the first one it would have been a huge hit.
I can see where Evelyn's coming from, but you're right about her not really *needing* to do anything to achieve her goal. This movie definitely needed more time to go through another draft. Also, at 6:07 Bob doesn't actually get the message from Mirage until after he gets fired.
@@jadecoolness101 More like show that they are a terrible icon to protect you with most of her attempts backfiring from Elastagirl's finesse with disabling situations unlike Mr. Incredibe(he was the straw that broke the camels back after all and how the two infiltrated Syndromes base were done in different ways). But with all the fame in each save leading to political powers to sign a treaty and Elastagirl finding out the truth Evelyn then brainwash all the heroes to make the treaty seem like a act of terrorism from the heroes killing everyone in the process.
Her whole goal is to KEEP supers illegal. Because of people like Mr. incredible and his family, public perception of supers was changing to be more positive, and she sees dependency on them to be a huge detriment. So, orchestrate a betrayal of the public's trust, reinforce their worries and fears about supers, keep them illegal and by her view keep them safer as a result. Biggest issue with it isn't really as much how she goes about it... But WHEN everything takes place. The sequel desperately needed to have at least a few year gap so that development of the kids' powers made sense and that public perception would have had more TIME to be a more perceivable threat to Evelyn's worldview. But she was being PROactive, not reactive. She didn't wait until they were fully accepted, she wanted to make sure that if and when they were, that she could pull the rug out.
@@DarrellThody They shot themselves in the foot by having the very first scene in the movie them losing to the undermined and causing excess damage. Her plan would've made some sense if we actually saw them doing good and a positive response.
I’m really biased towards this movie, because my dad actually got to be part of it, voicing Winston Deavor in the Latin Spanish dub for the film So in my eyes, it’s not an amazing movie, but it is a very special one for me
That's part of the magic of entertainment. Even some of the worst films or tv shows from our perspectives, were months or years of dozens of peoples careers. And it goes into nearly every piece of media we consume
Something I've considered before is how an Incredibles sequel could have done better than what was produced. An idea I had after considering it involved the simple question of: "What if Syndrome's gadgets made it to the public market?". Syndrome was defeated, but that doesn't mean that his company would just disappear, and whoever replaced Syndrome would do whatever they could to push the technology Syndrome had been hogging into financial endeavors. So, in the sequel, after however much time has passed, Syndrome's toys start becoming commercially available, giving Syndrome the last laugh from beyond the grave. Petty criminals who get a hand on this tech can use it to invalidate Supers like Mr. Incredible, and regular civilians can use this tech to become hero's to compete with these petty criminals. The future Syndrome talked about, where no one is super, has come to pass. Since making the company who sold the tech the big bad would be boring and obvious, the villain would instead rise from the new tech falling into the wrong hands. New villains make their debut, old veterans come out from retirement, and Bomb Voyage retires from being a mime to rival Mr. Incredible like the good old days. So, the story follows what the ramifications of that are, and how the Parr family responds.
Give this person a job as writer at pixar. But fr I wanna see this fucking movie. At least a story like this could still be done in another sequel, afterall the 2nd plays right where the 1st left us, so they could still make a time skip or such.
I think Bob was that much more frustrated by Helen's first "legal" act of hero work which was stopping a train that was speeding towards a cut off track, the exact same action which Bob performed 15 years prior which made their hero work illegal.
The biggest problem I have with this movie is, that it completely erases character progress. A family that was literally saving the world and working as a prefect unit? BAM, moving again, playing pretend again. Both parents back in hero business? BAM, once again one is doing the heroing and the other is stuck as a stay at home. Girl finally got the guy? BAM, nope, he doesn't remember that. Kids having grown into their power and helping along? BAM, kids back in school doing "exciting" school stuff. And no wonder they are frustrated with it, I am frustrated with it. Rather than a continuation of the story we get what feels like a live action remake. More "mature" and "serious", more "everyday struggle" than the Bond like flair of the original. The Bond like flair was a big selling point of the first one, the whole tone of the movie was set by it - weather it went with or against expectations set by the genre. And then we got this movie, that tries so hard to be a Nolan movie. And it is just wrong. It doesn't fit the ending of the first movie, so it rewrites it to what feels like a reset. It rewrites the world-building and character building done by its predecessor. And that sucks.
One specific thing that has always bothered me about this movie is the Owl. Every other character in this universe is a human with powers. They can take off their costumes and have a secret identity. But this guy is just an OWL! He's got talons, how the hell does he have a secret identity?
Edna's-Engineered Mask probably. That, and probably furry conventions. Probably the former. Or just Pixar employee regeneration didn't turned out too well.
I want to know how the hell Brick expects to be anything. A super, a normal person...like she's almost twice the size of Mr. Incredible, who is a big guy and can't get any bigger without breaking the bounds of believable human normalcy. We're supposed to believe that these people can reasonably successfully pull off both a super and a civilian identity...my suspension of disbelief can only stretch so far. Not to mention she either is slow in the head or she gives off that impression, so presuming it's only a speech impediment and they're _not_ letting a mentally-incompetent person run around holding people's lives...she still gives off that appearance, which is not a good image by any means. And even casting image aside, how on earth is she going to deal with the media, or even communicating succinctly and clearly to police or other heroes? That is an important skill to have, especially when, you know, you're _holding people's lives_ in your hands. For the Owl, the talons could be gear, as the wings are. His face, though...mmm.
Yeah, Incredibles 2 Is not the Best Pixar Sequel or Worst Pixar Sequel but it could have been a Whole lot better. I mean, We waited 14 years for it to come into existence.
I agree. This was put out early because Toy Story 4 had some story issues, and Pixar HAD to have something in 2018 summer, before Incredibles could reach its 15 year anniversary
Something I did like about the film was portal girl (forgot her name). When she's just her she's a little clumsy and star struck, but with the goggles she's calm and collected, using her powers in incredible ways against violet.
@@zanderhanna2596 exactly, it showed how much personal feelings can affect a persons actions and execution. Without the emotion clouding her actions, she became very tactile and focused on her abilities. Her body is still just as capable without the goggles, but she has to gain focus and trust in her abilities. When she’s introduced, she appears to be looking for recognition that her abilities can make her worthy of being a super hero rather than just being confident in them on her own.
I still think the biggest mistake they made with the sequel was setting it right after the first one ended. I understand they wanted to finally show the Underminer fight, but even a time-skip after that would have helped immensely. Instead of feeling like they've grown with their audience the same way the characters in _Toy Story_ or _How To Train Your Dragon_ did, the characters have stayed completely static and have even regressed from when we last saw them 14 years earlier. And the Screenslaver plot makes them all look like completely dumbasses who learned literally nothing from what happened with Syndrome and just immediately fell for the same trick again. Even from a visual standpoint, the much more advanced and detailed animation looks completely out of place when compared to the original film, whereas it would have at least looked less jarring if it was set years later and the characters had visibly aged.
I really hate how they just retold the same story, like I was hoping the story would have progressed, but no, they reset everything and had them go through the same motions with some changes here and there.
Agree. It was an atrocious, not-fun movie. Another lame Disney twist villain. Everything about it sucked. You can see/sense all of the blatant creative interference from higher-ups.
It feels like this with a lot of Disney and animated sequels in general. Rehash/retell the same story. The HORRID Disney live action remakes are another type of this imo. The characters don't age, change, learn, or progress anymore, its so annoying. I wish animated movies were treated more seriously in their story progression, especially when there is such a gap between films. The Incredibles story should have grown with its audience, but the characters and plot just felt like regressed rehashes of the first movie. Plus, Disney's obsession, especially during The Incredible 2's release, with crappy "twist" villains as obvious as the sun really didn't help either.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 Was it a good, enjoyable movie? Maybe it was, though I'd disagree for a number of reasons. It was dull, passionless, and unfocused. Was it a good sequel? Fuck no, it wasn't. That's an important distinction.
Retold you say? Syndrome, a disaffected genius with no empathy wants to be a super though he already is. He hates the real ones for ignoring him lead by Mr. Incredible and uses them to make his robot unstoppable. He wants to be above all other supers. Evelin Deaver blames the supers for her parents deaths even though the supers by then were illegal to use their super powers. An irrational conclusion. She wants to sabotage the ULN meeting to make all supers legal internationally.
I did find it incredibly Terrible, mostly just by how... badly written it's... just as you said, there are a lot of really underwhelming elements in this movie that honestly don't mesh all that well together. The main villain motivation and reasoning behind her actions? Are not only dumb, but incredibly also stupid in how she approached it. This is a movie whose problem is basically focused on one point: Helen Parr... the first movie was Bob centered, yes, but not in a way that diminished the importance of the other characters, and in the end, the whole message was that Bob couldn't do it alone, but they as a family, as a unit, could do far more. The sequel? Let's empower Helen by diminishing the roles and development of the others in the process! Because it wasn't only Bob who seemed to be placed on a diminished role, but also the other characters as well. It was a movie that was, to me, more worried and centered on being bombastic and action filled movie, (The kind that at that point, has already inundated the market) than to tell a story. HISHE also made more creative use of the characters powers than this movie did, especially in how to solve the problem of the control glasses once it was discovered. I'm not afraid to say that this movie was bad, and often say so when asked what I think about it. This sequel was bad, really bad, and even worse, it was a lower tier superhero movie compared to others. And, as you've also said, instead of deconstructing the Superhero tropes as the first one did, this one fully embraced them which is why it feels so jarrying and different in tune. I for once, agree that the game is a far more apt sequel to be honest. Also, I would've feel that yes, a few years later would've changed many things in how things happened in the movie, for example, I would've liked to see them explore one of the glaring issues and weakeness of the original film, the Anti/Suppresing hero law. Yes, it's obvious that the good and law abiding Supers would obey, but... why did the villains obey the law as well... they're criminals, and if the government is basically handing them the world on a silver platter by making the people that can actually foil their plans and goals, illegal. WHY did they dissapear as well? WHY DID THE VILLAINS SUDDENLY DECIDE: HEY, I WILL NOW OBEY THE LAW! Syndrome clearly showed that, no, they didn't and they got rich and powerful to earn and build shadow organizations that governments didn't had a clue of. I would've liked the sequel to explore that, just how seamless the process was, and how strange/weird that criminal supers also dissapeared as well, did they? Or did they learned to hide better? More accustomed to do things behind the governments back, was it truly a natural thing to do? And, the damage on the civilians that Super fights tend to do, they're still there, just with the damage the underminer did, thing should've heated in the discussions of that world once again, because, so far, the villains supers were unnaturally quiet and passive until Syndrome launched a public attack. Dang, I mean, Evelyn should've grasped THAT point to hammer how much the anti-suppresing hero laws are needed, because for nearly a decade, probably more, that kind of damage or event hasn't come to pass. It would've been an interesting analysis as well of how much damage heroes do while trying to take down said villains. Why then, not also use heroes in more apt jobs that make good use of their abilities in their public personas? How are Supers created on that world? Syndrome seems to show that it's genetic, but he shows that even a crafty individual could become Super... What if, ironically, his goal of making everyone SUPER was actually a solution to their problems? There are just so many ways to explore the questions that were created on the first movie, and the second... does nothing to fully explore that completely, the movie is merely centered in how Helen is a badass heroine, while Bob struggles with parenthood and basically comes appart in a few days. And what they did to Violet and Dash... they feel just so... diminished in their roles, Dash feels even more childish than the first one, who feels asphixiated and frustrated that he cannot use his abilities and how the suppresion was affecting him, Violet just... feels bratty. Damn the whole "I'll stay here..." annoyed me the heck, because it could've been better written, for example, Violet realizing that as the oldest sibling, she also shares some responsability in the wellfare of the family. She realizing that while her parents are too busy fighting to protect them, she's literally and figuratively the shield for her siblings in the case something come to pass, she backing off to protect her siblings would've been an awesome development for her, as it would've expanded on the first movie issue with her feeling invisible, and Dash as well now that I think about it, they both suffered attacks of adults that wanted to literally KILL THEM months ago, and that... isn't talked about, at all... I feel that would've been far more potent theme to deal with, than "MY LOVE INTEREST DOESN'T REMEMBERS ME!" With how the childrens of Super, especially children that are Supers, cope with such an scenario. Agh, I'll just stop, because the more I analyse the sequel, the more frustrated I get at how much they missed the goal and the many, MANY excelent points they simply decided not to use, just to go with a more generic plot with the usual "SURPRISE VILLAIN" from them. Edited for Typos
That would’ve been great character development for Violet, but nooooo, let’s just have her be a teenage stereotype and only focus on her crush not remembering her.
The Incredibles 2 might be the most disappointed by a film I've been since... well take your pick of bad sequels Disney has made in the last 5 years or so. I mean Dash had NOTHING in the sequel. Bob weirdly digressed as a character along with Violet kinda. Not to mention Helen brings up how hypocritical her actions in this film are to how she reacted to Bob in the first film but brushes them aside. This film desperately needed a time skip like how Toy Story 3 grew up with it's audience.
My big issue with this movie is that at the end of the first movie, when the Underminer rises, The Incredibles family put on their masks, including Jack-Jack as well! When Jack-Jack wore the mask, that would mean that the family already found out that he had his own super powers, and the fact that the second movie retcons that aspect is really disappointing. :(
Yeah. It’s like they totally forgot that he was part of the ending, throwing the tantrum in Syndrome’s hands and having to be caught by Helen out of mid-air. Little things like that just show how detached this sequel is from the first movie. I know the same guy wrote and directed it, but it’s like Incredibles 2 was written by people who were told the plot of the first movie by a drunken friend, forgetting all of the nuances and important key moments
@@jamesynfg Yeah! Especially that the ending takes place like 6 months later after Syndrome’s gruesome death, they’d know that the family already found out by themselves that Jack Jack has superpowers! Brad Bird was the director for the sequel to be sure, but it obviously more often seems to be Bob Iger’s fault for how horrendous the sequel turned out to be, leaving Brad Bird unsatisfied because he loves to make timeless animated masterpieces, not make subpar and mediocre movies. The same thing happened with Ralph Breaks The Internet, Rich Moore was also dissatisfied with that sequel. No wonder why Brad Bird and Rich Moore left Disney since the higher ups were meddling with the animated film productions. :/
Also the motel makes no sense. After the Underminer Rick Dicker says he can't relocate them again and can only put them in a motel for two weeks since Syndrome destroyed their old house and the Supers Relocation Department is shutting down. But the Underminer took place three whole months after that. Where were they living all that time, and why hadn't they been relocated already during that time period before the SRD shut down?? And more of a nitpick than anything, but why was everybody, including the ever-cautious Elastigirl, so gung-ho and confident about suiting up immediately to fight if supers weren't accepted? The entire first film end, from the celebration of the citizens when they defeated the Omnidroid to the freaking...color palette and mood tone and the family demeanors themselves as happy and whole (i.e., free to be themselves and thus just better for it in general) at the track meet to confident gearing for a fight afterwards...it all points to the implication that supers are either legal outright OR socially accepted to the point they're not really worried about possible repercussions of hero-ing. And yet those repercussions are very clearly alive and well in the second film... james said it well: the second film really is disconnected from the first.
@@alejandrovelez6358 I think I heard somewhere that Brad Bird wasn't really allowed to direct this movie as he was the first one, and was just generally stifled and rejected, so it wasn't really what he wanted to make...and so we get this. Full agree about Jack-Jack.
The most memorable bit of dialogue from the 1st movie: " HOOOOOONNNNEEEY... WHAAAARRE'S MY SUPA'SUUUUUIT?!!!" The most memorable bit of dialogue from the second movie: " Nom Nom cookie? CHA CHA WANT A COOKIE, cOookieee!"
I think the thing that makes this movie so weak in comparison to the first one too is how the first one is more imaginative, with a much better artistic sense, that which you can notice by how the soundtrack, humour and plot lines have been made. I enjoyed this movie when it came out, but my mom, who saw the original one on cinema with me back in 2004, didn't like it. Tbh, I still find the plotline of the ROTU game to be much more imaginative and fun than this one, it just doesn't feel like a super hero movie as much as the first one and the game
Honey was originally supposed to have an onscreen appearance. She even had a character design. But the writers decided that it would be funnier if she was shown offscreen.
For me, the Incredibles 2 was blasé, in some ways, it was a rehash from the first movie, just with Elastigirl instead of Mr. Incredible. It's ironic Bob rants about mediocrity in the first movie, only for the sequel to be mediocre, I think the Incredibles should have remained one film, for everything was wrapped up, there was no need for a follow up, but because it made money, Disney and Pixar wanted more cash for the audience.
Incredibles one was probably one of the best pixar films, it had amazing characters, great story and so much more. Incredibles two..Was okay, wasn't as good as the first, but it was OKAY at least.
I won't lie, Helen's first fight with the Screenslaver is my favorite part in the film. The simple line: "Find anything?" Cutting through the silence, immediately followed by the loud bang of the closing door and the bright flash of the swirling lights that immediately spike your adrenaline and let you know: This was a trap. Then there's the way he immediately follows up with the electric baton, shocking Helen's limbs into submission while she's completely stunned and overwhelmed, letting the audience know that not only is this villain capable of capitalizing on the element of surprise, but that he's competent enough to have studied Elastagirl's abilities and how certain weapons might affect them. Helen starts gaining momentum in the fight, prompting her assailant to turn and run, activating a detonator on the way out of the room, a clear contingency that once again shows his competence. The following chase only further bolsters this: the way he bangs on the doors without slowing to cause a pileup of innocent bystanders to get in Elastagirl's way, his acrobatic movements, the way he occasionally turns to sucker punch Elastagirl, momentarily stunning her, all leading to an epic leap from the building, which explodes in the background, deatroying all evidence of his hideout's existence. I probably skipped a few things or explained a few things poorly, but basically what I'm trying to say is that I feel like the movie would have been better if the Screenslaver was an actual person and the true villain of the film. His monologue was actually pretty compelling in my opinion, and it felt like a waste to have such an interesting scene which showed a villain with actual competence be wasted in such a way.
I wish they had combined the scrapped film idea of an AI villain with the screenslaver, where the real screenslaver was actually an AI algorith working behind the scenes with the motivation to destroy superheroes for some reason. That would have been so much cooler.
Been wanting this for a while. While Incredibles 2 is a fine mobile. I have always felt that it was a poor sequel. Thank you for comparing the two showing why!
I'll just say this... I've rewatched The Incredibles multiple times in a week because it was *that* good... and I've seen the sequel once or twice but that's it and it's already been a few years since it came out...
Same here. The Incredibles is probably one of my favorite movies ever made, while Incredibles 2 is just… there. It’s a fine movie, but it’s definitely not a good sequel. There just many ideas in there I thought were undercooked and just dropped entirely and forgotten abt, as well as some questionable writing decisions
I remember seeing the incredibles 2 movie, and the voice actors got me all hyped up after there being no sequel to the movie for a very long time. I watched it and I liked it, but it didn’t give the same emotion. Their action scenes didn’t get me so exited and on edge like the first one. Even though I’ve watched the first incredibles movie fifty bazillion times, every time I watch the tense scenes I am enthralled. Will they make it out this time even though I’ve watched it fifty bazillion times and know they are going to be fine.
Here's what I would've preferred: We check in with The Incredibles fourteen years after the events of the first one. Violet is a newlywed to Tony, and finds out she's pregnant. Dash is in college on a sports scholarship. Jack-Jack is the only child left in the household, and Bob and Helen are struggling to raise him with his growing list of strange powers and teen angst while they're growing older. All the while every family member is still trying to be a superhero. The plot begins when Jack-Jack gets a mysterious message from a rival from the Incredibles' past.
I want an incredibles tv series. Out of all the disney franchises, you'd think they would've been done that. It would be cool seeing a more darker tone in a tv series. Having the family go on missions and fighting new villains.
11:25-11:35 I saw the movie not long after it came out, and as I was leaving the theatre, I felt a little concerned about those scenes causing another Porygon incident. Also, the day I went to see it just happened to be the same day Toy Story Land opened.
18:47 "I missed Jack Jack's first power?!" No, you saw it when he was being kidnapped by Syndrome near the end of the first movie 😅 he became fire, solid, a monster... almost everything he becomes in this movie!
NOPE, they where standing at the ground while Jack-Jack and Syndrome where flying through the air. All the family saw was Syndrome suddenly struggling to take Jack-Jack, but they where so far away at the ground that they didn't actually saw what happened, and they literally say this in the scene like Helen says something like "I can't see whats going up there".
Random cool way they could have done frozone’s intro better. Instead of him just walking up to them, take advantage of the fact that theyre by a pool. Bob and Helen are at one end and frozone walks in from the other. We see the pool freezing over as Bob and Helen look up then the camera cuts to Lucius walking on top of the water using his ice powers. Would have been a more interesting way to reintroduce him, first cluing the audience in on who he is by showing the pool freezing and having them make the connection.
I LOVE the Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer game! I played it since it released on GameCube. It really is what Incredibles 2 should’ve been. I thought the Underminer was gonna be the main villain, yet the fight they hyped up for 14 years ends in 5 minutes to introduce a new villain. Why? I don’t get it. So yeah, the game is more canon to me than the 2nd movie. Great review! 👍🏻
I can deny it cause I watched the movie and literally dont remember a raccoon scene. The entire movie was that forgettable, I've forgotten most of details outside the main plot. xDDD
I actually liked this film. While it wasn't as enjoyable as the original, and the Villain's reveal could be seen from a mile away, it was still fun and nice to see our favourite superpowered family again.
What is the point of just seeing the characters again if they are just going to repeat the same story again? If you just want to see the characters, watch incredibles 1. A sequel needs a reason to exist, and this movie doens't have any new idea or contribution to give to the story of the incredibles.
For your next video about a cancelled animated movie, look into the adaptation of Mort by Terry Pratchett that Disney was apparently working on before Moana. I only recently found that piece of information while looking through the Discworld wiki and I was surprised to hear about it since I've never heard anyone discuss it. Although, given Disney's track record of getting their hands on any franchise they can, I'm not convinced that the project will never see the light of day.
I honestly love what they did in the beginning of Incredibles 2! It reminded me so much of Jack Jack attack and it was a refreshing way to get back to where we left off AND to see how Tony was doing after talking to Violet!
I feel the exact same way. This plus toy story 4 make it obvious that pixar isn't good at making sequels anymore. Or atleast sequels to their classic films. Disney as a whole doesn't put to much effort into they're remakes and sequels I.e. frozen 2 and every live action remake they've ever made. Constantly making references to the originals without trying to make the new ones memorable.
The goofy, bizarrely-proportioned supers at the end are antithetical to the very concept of the Incredibles: superheroes if they were normal people. Yes, the first movie had many over-the-top ideas (giant robots, etc), but they were always presented in a way that made them easy to believe, and the most important elements were the more grounded aspects of the story. The new characters don't even look human, which clashes terribly with the mostly realistic look of the older characters. The other vital idea of the first film (that it featured a family of superheroes rather than a team or an individual) is also dropped in favor of an Elastigirl spin off duct-taped to a short film about Bob learning to dad, which hurts both the action choreography and the plot. Speaking of Bob, they also assassinated if not his character, then certainly his character growth. His whole arc in the first film was learning to value and work with his family instead of trying to do everything himself, which involved learning to be less selfish. Suddenly in this movie he's forgotten all that and is acting even less mature than he did before said discarded character arc. The twist villain is also very predictable and lacks the self-aware charm of Syndrome. Not only that, but the commentary on screen and media use, as well as its personified representative (Screen Slaver) doesn't seem relevant or well connected to the evil twist villain lady (can't recall her name) in addition to being poorly fleshed out and very surface-level. Also when I saw it they put a weird kind of clip/introduction before playing the movie, which featured cast and crew basically saying, "Look, we know it's been a long time since the last one but that's because making movies is hard, OK?" It was honestly kind of cringey and I'm not sure why they felt the need to add it.
YES! Thank you, you just said exactly what I've been thinking, but better. Especially about the new supers, which, mind you, I like, I just do not see some of them working in reality. Specifically Brick and Reflux, and probably Screech also but that depends on how much of his very weird face is real. Him and Brick are...problematic for normal covers, and Reflux is a complete liability on the field. He's in no physical shape and has no way to get one any time soon with his age and lack of one in the past, and his powers don't make up for that in any way. He's not a veteran that has the head knowledge, either. He's going to die the first time anything serious comes up. Also, Voyd needs to drop the dyed hair. It's pretty, but gives away a secret identity. Presuming that it's even dyed, because if it's natural then I have a much bigger issue here...and I fear it is, because a lot of other background new supers also have neon hair of some sort and what are the chances they ALL decided to dye -_- As you said, their whole...abnormal appearances are contrary and inconsistent to the established concept of superheroes in this universe...well, you said it all! And unrealistic... I would also like to add that all the character development of the first film was erased, too. It wasn't just family-focused, family-valuing Elastigirl deciding to leave them behind to go solo, or Mr. Incredible losing his intelligence, competence, and the family closeness he earned in the original movie, but Violet lost her confidence and went back to being shy and moody again (except worse) and Dash completely forgot any maturity or consideration that was learned before and become an obnoxious, one-note annoyance that felt like a caricature rather than a real boy. (Also a nitpick, but I didn't like his hair. It felt too polished and pretentious for a ten-year-old, like a college boy trying to be handsome for dates. Didn't fit him at all.) (Overly outwardly polished and inwardly substantially pretentious as a description actually fits this film very well, now that I think about it.) As for the villain, I am massively disappointed that the Screenslaver turned out to not be the real one. I was so hyped for him and he seemed and awesomely bad real threat, and he could have been a _great_ commentary on today's digital obsession too in the right writer's hands. Perhaps not as timeless and universal as the ordinary/extraordinary dichotomy from Syndrome, but still a relevant, good, and valid message in the present world. But no. We got discount-pale-ripoff-Syndrome instead. The whole sequel is like a watered-down version of the original (which was an opinion I held before, but wow this video really highlights it).
Bird was very hesitant to make it so it took him a long time to even begin, but I'm glad he did. The characters move and make decisions in a new scenario for the family - they have to come out of hiding, in their own minds. I just watched both films back to back and although the first one is close to being a perfect film, this one revisits the characters in a way that shows more of their struggle than before. I love that and I really enjoyed it.
One thing I really loved about this movie was the b-plot of Mr. Incredible dealing with the kids, I think the father-daughter moments of Bob and Violet were really emotional and relatable. I also LOVED when Jack-Jack attacked the raccoon, that was great. Overall, I think this movie is quite underrated and pretty good. I’d say it’s kinda close to as good as the original. Overall 7.5/10.
Despite my issues with Incredibles 2 (especially the villain), I still liked it. The first Incredibles film was way better of course, but out of all of Pixar's sequels, this was still good.
I actually loved the sequel, and it’s also very relatable because I live in a family of 5. Two parents, and two siblings. I am male and I’m the middle child, I have an older sister and a younger brother so this movie is like us ;( There were also other coincidences that made us like the movie more, such as “MATH IS MATH!” Which directly relates to when my dad was helping me with math homework a few days or weeks before the movie’s release. That’s why we loved the movie so much.
I'm in the tiny crowd that actually liked the light effects in the theater, and was disappointed to find out they cut it out of the 4K release too even with the rumors and flashing lights warning on the back
Guess I'm the only one here that thought this movie was genius. I thought I was going to find it really disappointing after 14 years or the rose colored lenses were going to come off, but it was amazing how satisfied I was and I love the intro sequence with it picking up right where it left off as if 14 years didn't pass. All the nods back to the first movie was a nostalgia trip I really appreciated. The only thing that bothered me was the fact that Mr. Incredible was being a big baby about having to take care of his family, but I also understood that it's just part of his attention seeking personality. Your comment on the sound design was strange. Of course you'd here more bass with giant boulders being thrown against a mountain, but why would you expect more bass tones with a bike being flung by Elasta Girl? If anything, the sound design was spot on for someone who is more graceful then Mr. Incredible. Even Jack Jack's bond theme to catch the thief was based on the whole "the Raccoon looks like the burglar on TV" motif that the scene was going for. It would have been weird to switch to a grand orchestra. The first movie was all about their powers which was great when we were kids, but now we are adults and seeing supers deal with normal problems like public image, insured buildings, and trying to pass a law to fight for supers being back on the streets seems like a movie that grew up with its audience. How do praise the first movie for having done so much in the first 40 minutes and then complain about a bunch of plot stuff the 2nd movie did in 30 minutes? I agree there were a lot of cool things that had a "wow factor" in the first movie that kept me on the edge of my seat, but the mystery of the strange she was chasing still captured me and kept me curious the whole time. Even the villain has a better plot and plan then the original villain. The original villain just wanted to become super even with no powers because he was rejected by Mr. Incredible. The new villain framed someone while playing the good guy and pulling strings in the background, came up with technology that brainwashed supers into becoming terrorists ensuring that the new law her brother was petitioning for would never see the light of day and further tarnishing the reputation of supers forever. That's a very elaborate plan. I definitely agree that the fights weren't anywhere near the level of creativity of the first. I guess I just loved this movie. It definitely wasn't better than the first, but after 14 years it just hit all the right spots to be completely satisfying.
The LEGO game adds some improvements to the story of the second movie. They don't change a lot of the central story, but due to the game being either single or two player one of the new superheroes always goes with Ilastigirl on her missons so you see more of their powers. They also make it clear that Krushauer's power isn't super strength like it looks, but actually telekenisis that he uses for crushing things. It would have been cool to address that is what his power is. They only show it during the party where he shows Winston that he can crush a soda can without touching it. It's a cool way of doing a type of super strength without giving them super strength. I think the owl man has a sonic scream since his name is Screech, but they don't really show it much. They have some interesting powers, but don't do much with them.
The Incredibles 2 is what every Jurassic park sequel film is to the original. The first movie was a masterpiece and in no regard are the other films bad at all. They contain a lot of good practical effects and cgi that only improved over the vast period of time between the first film and the most recent, but if you look deeper, the story portrayed in every sequel film just isn't on par with the original. Some events within the film just don't fit and aren't characteristic of the franchise at the point in time of it's conception. Agree? (Not a 1 to 1 comparison but similar nonetheless).
This is a very good comparison. I didn't HATE The Incredible 2. It would be pretty good actually if it was a standalone film with nothing else to compare it to, but since it is a sequel to such an awesome first film, it had big shoes to fill and just couldn't quite fit them. Not a terrible film, definitely not on its own, but looks much worse riding on the coattails of its predecessor.
The only thing I like about this movie is that during the scene with Elastigirl tracking down the Screenslaver with the "jumbled" radio sounds. The visuals actually distract you from the radio sounds but if you listen/ pay attention to the radio sounds it's perfectly fine English.
8:25 i don tthink this is a problem at all elasticwomans theme fits her alot more because of how stretchy she is and bobs would be more bassy because of how strong he would be
The biggest mistake was separating the family / focusing on elastic girl. The end of the first movie the family was united as hero team and the first thing the sequel does is break it. Its was all downhill from there. I remember that my expectations where low for this movie from the moment I saw the trailers and they didn't prove me wrong.
The first movie does its best to set up the characters and the plot, each scene feels purposeful to get us to care and keep us engrossed. Yet, the sequel just has things happen just because. It's not trying to sell us on the heart of the story anymore, just point a to b. It's clear Brad Bird was forced into this with a hefty paycheck. Just to get the job done, I don't think it's awful, just very disappointing.
It’s a shame too cause screen slaver was a villain with a lot of potential. I think I would have been down for them staying the villain if they just stuck with the original idea of doing a bit of a time jump. Maybe even kept some of those deleted scenes.
having seen breaking bad before rewatching ti2 i can confirm it was better when bob odenkirk's character got introduced it completely slipped by me the first time
Agreed. It's not a terrible movie itself, far from the worst. But as a The Incredibles follow up, it should've been so much more. But then again do to the rushed production it had behind the scenes, they had Infinity War that year and yet they decided no Pixar film during the summer time wasn't something they could handle. Pixar, take as much time as you need with your projects, or end up with disappointing results as this. Like I said, it's not a terrible film that I wouldn't mind sitting through again, but this fourteen long waiting film deserved more justice.
While I always knew the film could never come close to the original, it was pretty magical seeing it in an Odeon Luxe cinema with friends all around my age who grew up watching the first film. (especially as I have the faintest memory of seeing the first film in the cinema when I was only 4)
In terms of music, I would've liked to have different themes for the different powers used. For Elastigirl, have more drawn out sections with the jazz and then bombastic flares for brass. Violet could have a softer tune that has some brass when she lands a blow or shows herself. Dash of course would have a fast paced energetic tune to accompany him. And for Jack Jack, why not have a different theme for each time he uses his powers. Have the fire be some sorta orchestral singing like in the short, have the lasers be a bit more punctual when he just fires single shots, multiplying could have multiple levels, telekinetic could be more experimental for the movie. These are just off the top of my head but I just think that it could've built upon the great score of the first movie by introducing new themes to the characters
I think the agent re-using the same general lines for yet another super witness is very fitting. His whole energy is and was that he's been doing this shit for too damn long.
Definitely a disappointing movie, if compared to the first one. A movie that MANY of the fans wanted a sequel of, compared to all the other movies that didn't need a sequel, or ended in a way that people were satisfied with being a one off movie. They really would've benefitted from just doing a "X" years time skip, having the first 11 mins explain what happened after the Underminer, the situation of the Supers, etc etc, and then We have Violet as a young adult, probably in University, working a job, dating, etc., Dash in High School, going through his teenager years and the chaos that that follows, Jack-Jack at the age that Dash was, possibly coping with his powers that are probably getting out of control? Instead of a Villain who's trying to make Supers illegal, when they already were, they could just have a group of Supers who start their own organization(The League of Super Villians or something like that), run by a Non-Super who's manipulated other Supers to working for them in order to convince them that THEY don't need to adhere to any laws, because THEY are above the law. Probably at this time, the military could get involved and have an Anti-Super task forced created, hunting down ANY and ALL Supers to eliminate them for good. Thus, putting Jack-Jack center stage, because of how unpredictable his powers are, causing friction between the family or something; Civil War style, I guess? I dunno. It would be fun to have seen the many ideas and concepts, they could've came up with during the development time. The only scenes in Incredibles 2 that were on par, or nearly on par, was Elastic Girl's Motobike chase, because just how creative it was on using her body, and how it effected the bike; really cool! Then I'd say, Jack-Jack's fight with the Racoon, showing off most of the powers he has, in a humorous way, but also fairly creative too. Everything else, the movie really just felt...dry to me; you could easily tell the age of the VAs, as they weren't as energetic as they once were, another reason as to why they should've just did a time skip.
Incredible 1 >>>>> 2. 2 was just comedic relief. 1 was whole hearted, intense, deep, mature, thrilling (plane scene), Helen’s maturity for the sake of her family and being a mother (v relatable) Syndromes darkness, he’s a murderer, the deceptions, Jack Jack getting kidnapped. 2 has a super/villain with acid reflux… acid reflux 😑
Lighter tone not so dark as the first. One of the Euro supers has magma reflux under the control of Screen Slaver not the villain. NOT the villain. Did you actually watch the entire movie? I think not.
You know what else bugged me about the sequel? The character designs. All the new characters look so different from the characters in the first movie. They all just look way more angular and less round than Incredibles 1's characters. To be honest, the new character designs remind more of Dreamworks' style...
Haven't watched the video yet but heres what I have to say: I remember ppl discussing whether the sequel is better than the original.. Meanwhile I left the cinema only with complaints. Idk the movie just felt shallow and I disliked all the characters I loved in the first one. Also the story was super predictable and basic. Plus jack jacks multiple powers just felt like an excuse for lazy writing. Like "we have this problem here how do we solve it?.... JACK JACKS NEW POWER UNLOCKED" it was cheap...
If they had shown a bit of the Underminer fight but had abruptly ended it with Mr Incredible getting knocked out and waking up months later only to find out Elastigirl is now the big superhero everyone is talking about & all of the new superheroes coming into the scene making him feel excited to come back and fight crime again, only to be forced to stay home with the kids for some time to recover from his injuries. I think that would've been a much better way to start the movie.
I 100% agree with the title. The incredible 2 felt like a cash grab that contained all the worst elements of modern movies packed into one slightly entertaining movie for kids. It completely lacked the nuance and family dynamic of the first one and was a massive disappointment to me.
Brad Bird worked on The Simpsons, and then Family Guy plagiarizes the Simpsons that only had contemptible characters and tasteless jokes to offer. So Brad Bird comes in with Incredibles 2 to makes a story with likeable characters and fun family moments that puts Family Guy to dust. Coincidence, I THINK NOT!
I enjoyed The Incredibles 2 a lot but I will admit that it didn’t live up to the first one and I don’t really find that to be a bad thing. But I can’t really get behind the twist villain. Basically, everything everyone else has said.
Something I really hate about Incredibles 2 is how saturated and vibrant it looks. One of the best things about the first one was how it juxtaposed it’s lively animation with washed out color grading. It gave it a rougher feel and it also made the characters look more natural. Incredibles 2 just makes everyone look like a typical squeaky clean Disney character.
I know the first thing I thought was "wait... it's been 14 years and they're continuing 2 seconds before the last one ended?" Followed by "wait how did Violet suddenly become so capable with her shields?"
Personally I loved it. And because I love it I am willing to accept its shortcoming. Edit: for the record I like the first one better ofc. And it was annoying that violets love interest memory got wiped.
i love the new superheroes that were introduced into this story, and the way the super society was building back up after so many years of hiding. the worldbuilding in that sense was the best part to me (though i am a huge sucker for worldbuilding). oh, and the amazing animation improvements. it looks amazing now.
Considering they copied the same plot structure for the sequel it would have been much better if they incorporated the 14-year gap between the movies into the plot. It could have started with the Underminer fight as a flash back and then it would skip 14 years to show how the characters changed (just like the first movie).
That’s what I was thinking
yeah but I think some people might've gotten angry at the kids being adults.
I love it when the canon time gap between the end of the first story & the beginning of the second are the exact same as the release date between the first & the second, so yeah that sounds great to me
@@BehindTheScreens25 forget those people, the rest of us want good storytelling with character growth
Damn yeah! The flashback could’ve been like the newscaster narrative from the intro to the first movie!
I think the biggest issue with this movie is that Brad Bird, the writer/director of both Incredibles movies, doesn’t like making sequels. So when he went to make this, it was mostly because Disney wanted an Incredibles sequel. Whether Brad just wanted a good paycheck or didn’t want somebody besides him to write an Incredibles sequel, maybe both, or neither, it’s clear that it wasn’t because he actually wanted a sequel. I mean, look at the guy when he’s in interviews for this movie. He does not look happy to be there. And it shows through this movie with its lacking passion and creativity that made the original a classic. I’m sure this movie could have been worse, but it wouldn’t have gotten made in the first place if Disney wasn’t so ambitious to bank on the first Incredibles. And if the past five years or so have taught us anything about Hollywood, it’s that movies are better when the filmmaker wants it BEFORE the studio does.
It explains a lot. The villain didn't thematically make sense like Syndrome did, there was so much filler when the first movie was packed with character moments...plus, look back at Bird's filmography. The guy is a _phenomenal_ storyteller, but he has to...y'know, give a shit about that story first.
There was an interview where he basically said "Disney had been pressuring me to make a sequel, but I couldn't come up with any new ideas that I thought would work or even liked. Eventually I just came up with _something_ because they were being relentless about a sequel." Which...yeah, explains a lot.
SHUT UP, IT WAS TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE, BORING. INCREDIBLES 2 IS THE BIGGEST SHIT INSTEAD OF THE FIRST ONE THAT IS A OBER MASTER.
1THE VILLIAN SUCKED
2 THEY WASTED UNDERGROUND
3 JACK JACK WAS VERY GOOD IN THE 1 BUT HERE HE WAS ANNOYING THAT MADE THE MOVIE SO CHILDISH THAT IT GOT RAGE ME AT THE POINT OF GET ANGRY FOR THE IDIOTS LAUGHING AT THE CINEMA ENJOYING THE FUCKING PRECIOUS WASTED MINUTES OF A MOVIE WHO HAD A GREAT PREQUEL AND COULD HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLE.
4 ELASTIGIRL ELASTIGRIL AND MORE ELASTIGIRL, SHE IS BORIIING!!! WE WANT TO SEE MORE OF SAH AND MR INCREDIBLE, NO THE GIRL SUFFERING FOR LOVE AND SHIT LIKE THAT, I MEAN IS A SUPERHERO MOVIE NOT A FUCKINF ROMANTIC COMEDY.
AFTER ALL OF THIS POINTS AL I CAN SAY IS: PIXAR NOWADAYS IS AN ABSOLUTE TRASH!
Well, in that case brad bird is an idiot because he could did a very better movie without so much childlish shit and could taken it more seriously
Actually, Brad Bird had always envisioned the sequel to be purely a role-reversal between husband/wife just as soon as he finished the first film according to his book. For him aging the characters doesn't particularly interest him as their powers are reflective to their given archetypes. If there was any reason for him to appear tired in those said interviews it's probably because he just finished an incredibly ambitious project where the studio cut a full year off from their production schedule. Alot of things that were precious to him were probably cut from this film, as he stated that there were many loose-ends during pre-production that he wished he had explored. I personally found this movie among my favorites from the 2010s era of Pixar, but I totally get how some people can have differing expectations for what would best follow up The Incredibles.
I kinda agree with these statements the most, as it’s very hard to believe that the cast and crew spent all those years making the sequel in the first place, wouldn’t make sense. Along with the fact that Disney had all that time to ask Brad about a sequel but they never did, so the question is: why try to make a sequel now when it’s already too little too late?
The worst thing About this movie for me was my dad’s reaction..
my dad loves the first incredibles so much so he was super excited about the second one, but he didn’t like it.
My dad is an Air Force vet who is a big family man, you can tell how much he related to Mr.Incredible, but the second movie made him a big man baby that gets jealous of his wife’s success and gets frustrated that he has to spend time with his kids.
It was such a huge insult to the original Mr. Incredible’s arc and in a way to my dad. I Hate this movie.
I know! Thats just an insult to men in general and pushes stereotypes that a man will be jealous if his wife is more successful and/or that he should hate or view spending time with his family and kids as a burden or waste of time. Plenty of men love their families and want their wives to be just as successful of them. This isn't the 1600s where only men get to have jobs, lives, and success or that is seen as odd if a woman has those things. Like, come on.
He’s not jealous, he’s nothing but supportive of her throughout the whole film. He’s not frustrated that he has t spend time with the kids, he just has trouble balancing everything.
@@DuelaDent52 I mean, they kind of seemed to be leaning hard in that direction with the way they had Mr. Incredible all concerned in that one scene where Winston enlists Elastigirl to save the runaway train. Also, there was some quippy dialogue about it ending with Helen smashing Bob with a pillow.
@@shadowspider9 That’s because as the first movie emphasised over and over, he NEEDS to help and be useful, he can’t stand sitting by while injustice plays out.
@@DuelaDent52 Not in the 2nd movie he cant adjust his pride for his wife. Remember in 1st movie boys night out Bob and Lucius doing stake out on a police radio, that happened w/o public praises yet Bob went thru jealousy arc
Incredibles 1 was a lot more violent and had high stakes. The villain and many of his henchmen died. Incredibles 2 on the other hand had no deaths and low stakes. It felt more like a Scooby-Doo plot.
Interesting comparison
the story made it excellent
Even Scooby Doo and the Zombie Island(1998) was better than this crap hahaha
@@arvinjay336 I haven’t seen that yet.
@@bighand1530 Try to watch it its the one that isn't a 'guy on a mask' with a rocking theme song.
Fun fact: The 14 -year gap between Incredibles 1 and 2 was the longest waiting time between a Disney/Pixar movie and its follow-up. Finding Dory (2016)'s 13-year gap was the 2nd longest, Monsters University (2013) was the 3rd longest with a 12-year gap, and Toy Story 3 (2010) was the 4th longest with an 11-year gap.
It was originally going to be a 15-year gap as a meta easter egg of Syndrome's line "You're too late, 15 years too late." But then _Toy Story 4_ needed a rewrite or something and _The Incredibles 2_ was pushed forward to release a year early. Which ruined the joke, and is probably a big reason for some of the film's faults.
Just Pixar. Bambi 2 released 64 years after the first one.
Did you see mr skelly bones
@@thecubeman381 Oh yeah, forgot about that.
@@thecubeman381 theres a bambi 2? (looks it up)oh holy shit you’re right why have i never heard of this
To me the biggest mistake of this Incredibles 2, is the same as lot of other nowadays productions: They don't take enough risks. They're trying so hard everytime to not shake the audience by showing and telling us things that will be generaly accepted. They usually end up with flat content, nothing too sharp, too surprising or else. Just like a lonely kid that want friends so bad that he end up not saying anything, scared of hurting anybody.
YESSS YESSS. I honestly think part of it is the "please everyone, no bad vibes, accept everything, challenge nothing" mindset especially found online is ruining a lot of media. Everything feels so safe and boring now, at least what's produced in the US. So many sequels to movies like this that are made over a decade later and probably by entirely different teams feel like a completely different company trying to make a sequel to a movie without having fully seen the original. I wanted to love the Incredibles 2, but I didnt. I'm so glad others see past the hype, I thought I was the only one. xD
Although the Alternative is to go complete Haywire and destroy a franchise.
@@theggamer2824 or just make a good movie first.
Frisquet Yeah and when they do take risks yall will complain saying its nothing like the first movie
It's psychotic! They keep creating new ways to celebrate mediocrity...
I just don’t like this movie at all. In the first movie, Mrs. Incredible was so against her husband wanting to be a super hero. But once she gets offered to become a hero again, she just runs off loving her new superhero life?!? Leaving her husband and kids behind just like Mr. Incredible did in the first movie????
It seems like every character acts like the first movie didn’t happen. Mr. Incredible learned a lesson by the end of the movie while Mrs. Incredible didn’t learn nothing. Also the fact that NOBODY mentions Syndrome is such a serious crime too.
Also Syndrome>>>>>>>>>>Screenslaver
YES. syndrome is INFINITELY better. easily one of my favorite disney villains so honestly i was beyond upset with how evelyn/screenslaver turned out in juxtaposition.
And it's especially inexcusable when the sequel picks up right where the original left off. Seriously, they couldn't just give it a timeskip like the first one had?
@TheGlassesPro How ironic that a movie that came out 14 years after the original got rushed into production to make way for another sequel that came out 9 years after the previous installment. Would it really have been so bad if each movie came out a year later?
@TheGlassesPro I guess. I mean, in hindsight releasing a Toy Story movie in 2020 would have been awful, but I don't know why they thought it was absolutely necessary to release both Incredibles 2 and Toy Story 4 early at the time.
@@bubbythebear6891 what’s wrong with them realeasing it at that time?
If the sequel come out 4 or 5 years after the original, it would have been acceptable. But the fact that it took 14 years and it takes no risks or even a bit of edge in maturity, it's very disappointing. EDIT: Thanks guys for giving me the most liked comment in this section!
It was supposed to be an in joke and take 15 years to make. Now the joke is ruined due to the production getting moved forward
that isnt the problem ms incredible is just doing what mr incredible did
@@PeterParker-ff7ub That's a big problem as well. It's just a rehash but not taken seriously like the original
Well the Incredibles 2 is not the only long time sequel to come out. There was Bambi II which took 64 years to even make a sequel. It's like why even bother.
I don't know which is worse, the fact that the sequel took 14 years to make in the first place, or that in that amount of time, they couldn't come up with a more creative movie plot.
When I saw the first teaser for the movie with Jack Jack, I was imagining different ideas for what the movie might be about. And an idea I really liked popped into my head.
I thought maybe the movie would be a flash forward to when Jack Jack is either a teen or young adult, and he's the villain of the story. His extreme amounts of super powers and inability to control them himself as well as being too powerful for even his parents or siblings or other supers to fully contain him caused him to grow up disturbed. He's used to being feared, feeling guilty for his powers blowing up on everyone, and also getting his way without earning it because people want to appease him. Or maybe even the government forcibly detaining him and separating him from his family because he would continuously out the existence of supers to the world without meaning to, and also him being considered a major threat by the government. And the story is basically the Incredibles dealing with the betrayal/emotional drama of him going bad and them facing off against Jack Jack while trying to get him to turn back to the good side. It sounds like it would be an interesting idea to me, anyway.
But even if they didn't go with that idea, I thought they would at least do a significant flash forward. Especially since the actors are so much older now. But yeah... We can see how that turned out...
I commented something similar. Jack Jack was the only part of incredible two i genuinely enjoyed. Should have been a whole movie on his later years 😔
I think that Pixar still has a chance to go with that idea, it would at least be nice to see him as a teenager, maybe Elastigirl & Mr. Incredible die of old age near the beginning of the movie, which is more of a Disney thing than a Pixar thing but it could still work imo considering that Pixar has explored topics related to death in past movies.
Man I would sooooo watch an hypothetical "The Incredibles 3" if the plot revolved about Jack Jack being abducted by the government, and we see him causing all sorts of havoc in the structure he's detained while the rest of the family tries to understand first who's responsible for the kidnapping and then going to his rescue. Maybe also uncovering a secret section of the government in which many more particularly dangerous supers are detained.
If "The Incredibles 2" followed something like this whith the same serious tone of the first one it would have been a huge hit.
So Jack Jack is homelander
they’ve already done lightyear, why not a more serious movie just called like “jack jack” or smth and this is the plot
I can see where Evelyn's coming from, but you're right about her not really *needing* to do anything to achieve her goal. This movie definitely needed more time to go through another draft. Also, at 6:07 Bob doesn't actually get the message from Mirage until after he gets fired.
Evelyn's whole plan was to.... make the supers (aka Elastigirl) do various heroic deeds and gain fans to.......
Keep them... illegal????
@@jadecoolness101 More like show that they are a terrible icon to protect you with most of her attempts backfiring from Elastagirl's finesse with disabling situations unlike Mr. Incredibe(he was the straw that broke the camels back after all and how the two infiltrated Syndromes base were done in different ways). But with all the fame in each save leading to political powers to sign a treaty and Elastagirl finding out the truth Evelyn then brainwash all the heroes to make the treaty seem like a act of terrorism from the heroes killing everyone in the process.
To be fair, this movie got rushed out. It wasn't the team's fault, it was the executives
Her whole goal is to KEEP supers illegal. Because of people like Mr. incredible and his family, public perception of supers was changing to be more positive, and she sees dependency on them to be a huge detriment. So, orchestrate a betrayal of the public's trust, reinforce their worries and fears about supers, keep them illegal and by her view keep them safer as a result.
Biggest issue with it isn't really as much how she goes about it... But WHEN everything takes place. The sequel desperately needed to have at least a few year gap so that development of the kids' powers made sense and that public perception would have had more TIME to be a more perceivable threat to Evelyn's worldview.
But she was being PROactive, not reactive. She didn't wait until they were fully accepted, she wanted to make sure that if and when they were, that she could pull the rug out.
@@DarrellThody They shot themselves in the foot by having the very first scene in the movie them losing to the undermined and causing excess damage. Her plan would've made some sense if we actually saw them doing good and a positive response.
I’m really biased towards this movie, because my dad actually got to be part of it, voicing Winston Deavor in the Latin Spanish dub for the film
So in my eyes, it’s not an amazing movie, but it is a very special one for me
Tu padre es Héctor Ortiz? Qué genial :o
@@moonpaper215 sip
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That's part of the magic of entertainment. Even some of the worst films or tv shows from our perspectives, were months or years of dozens of peoples careers. And it goes into nearly every piece of media we consume
H9nestly i dont understand the hate for this movie it could have been better sure but also a LOT WORSE
Nice lie, ur dad did not voice shite
Something I've considered before is how an Incredibles sequel could have done better than what was produced. An idea I had after considering it involved the simple question of: "What if Syndrome's gadgets made it to the public market?". Syndrome was defeated, but that doesn't mean that his company would just disappear, and whoever replaced Syndrome would do whatever they could to push the technology Syndrome had been hogging into financial endeavors.
So, in the sequel, after however much time has passed, Syndrome's toys start becoming commercially available, giving Syndrome the last laugh from beyond the grave. Petty criminals who get a hand on this tech can use it to invalidate Supers like Mr. Incredible, and regular civilians can use this tech to become hero's to compete with these petty criminals. The future Syndrome talked about, where no one is super, has come to pass.
Since making the company who sold the tech the big bad would be boring and obvious, the villain would instead rise from the new tech falling into the wrong hands. New villains make their debut, old veterans come out from retirement, and Bomb Voyage retires from being a mime to rival Mr. Incredible like the good old days.
So, the story follows what the ramifications of that are, and how the Parr family responds.
An interesting idea and isn't the purple suit lady alive too? She could have another role
That's a great idea for a sequel. Much better than what we got.
Bruhhh I like this one
I wanna see this!
Give this person a job as writer at pixar. But fr I wanna see this fucking movie. At least a story like this could still be done in another sequel, afterall the 2nd plays right where the 1st left us, so they could still make a time skip or such.
I think Bob was that much more frustrated by Helen's first "legal" act of hero work which was stopping a train that was speeding towards a cut off track, the exact same action which Bob performed 15 years prior which made their hero work illegal.
god that’d be such a good detail, I wish they showed it
Note no one died or was severely injured with Helen's stretch stop.
The biggest problem I have with this movie is, that it completely erases character progress. A family that was literally saving the world and working as a prefect unit? BAM, moving again, playing pretend again. Both parents back in hero business? BAM, once again one is doing the heroing and the other is stuck as a stay at home. Girl finally got the guy? BAM, nope, he doesn't remember that. Kids having grown into their power and helping along? BAM, kids back in school doing "exciting" school stuff. And no wonder they are frustrated with it, I am frustrated with it.
Rather than a continuation of the story we get what feels like a live action remake. More "mature" and "serious", more "everyday struggle" than the Bond like flair of the original. The Bond like flair was a big selling point of the first one, the whole tone of the movie was set by it - weather it went with or against expectations set by the genre. And then we got this movie, that tries so hard to be a Nolan movie. And it is just wrong. It doesn't fit the ending of the first movie, so it rewrites it to what feels like a reset. It rewrites the world-building and character building done by its predecessor. And that sucks.
When it is still legal and destroyed so much for nothing was what caused the backlash,
I just rewatched this film for the first time since my first-viewing and yep, this was my biggest gripe with the whole movie.
One specific thing that has always bothered me about this movie is the Owl. Every other character in this universe is a human with powers. They can take off their costumes and have a secret identity. But this guy is just an OWL! He's got talons, how the hell does he have a secret identity?
Maybe he doesn't, like the X-Men
@@qwerty5684 Minus Wolverine, Rogue, Storm, and Beast
Edna's-Engineered Mask probably. That, and probably furry conventions. Probably the former. Or just Pixar employee regeneration didn't turned out too well.
I want to know how the hell Brick expects to be anything. A super, a normal person...like she's almost twice the size of Mr. Incredible, who is a big guy and can't get any bigger without breaking the bounds of believable human normalcy. We're supposed to believe that these people can reasonably successfully pull off both a super and a civilian identity...my suspension of disbelief can only stretch so far. Not to mention she either is slow in the head or she gives off that impression, so presuming it's only a speech impediment and they're _not_ letting a mentally-incompetent person run around holding people's lives...she still gives off that appearance, which is not a good image by any means. And even casting image aside, how on earth is she going to deal with the media, or even communicating succinctly and clearly to police or other heroes? That is an important skill to have, especially when, you know, you're _holding people's lives_ in your hands.
For the Owl, the talons could be gear, as the wings are. His face, though...mmm.
Well at least he's cute ^u^
I don’t think it was terrible, but it was just really mid and disappointing for Pixar’s longest awaited sequel.....
Did you see mr skelly bones
Yeah, Incredibles 2 Is not the Best Pixar Sequel or Worst Pixar Sequel but it could have been a Whole lot better. I mean, We waited 14 years for it to come into existence.
@@moth4581 no indeed not Mr. Moth
@@disneyvillainsfan1666 yeah that title goes to Toy Story 4
I agree. This was put out early because Toy Story 4 had some story issues, and Pixar HAD to have something in 2018 summer, before Incredibles could reach its 15 year anniversary
Something I did like about the film was portal girl (forgot her name). When she's just her she's a little clumsy and star struck, but with the goggles she's calm and collected, using her powers in incredible ways against violet.
She's named VOID, I think.
@@gasterthemaster6490 That's right
@@liamphibia she had the goggles on cause she was mind controlled
Why couldn’t she and Violet team up to fight the others? That would’ve been so cool!
@@zanderhanna2596 exactly, it showed how much personal feelings can affect a persons actions and execution.
Without the emotion clouding her actions, she became very tactile and focused on her abilities.
Her body is still just as capable without the goggles, but she has to gain focus and trust in her abilities.
When she’s introduced, she appears to be looking for recognition that her abilities can make her worthy of being a super hero rather than just being confident in them on her own.
I still think the biggest mistake they made with the sequel was setting it right after the first one ended. I understand they wanted to finally show the Underminer fight, but even a time-skip after that would have helped immensely.
Instead of feeling like they've grown with their audience the same way the characters in _Toy Story_ or _How To Train Your Dragon_ did, the characters have stayed completely static and have even regressed from when we last saw them 14 years earlier. And the Screenslaver plot makes them all look like completely dumbasses who learned literally nothing from what happened with Syndrome and just immediately fell for the same trick again.
Even from a visual standpoint, the much more advanced and detailed animation looks completely out of place when compared to the original film, whereas it would have at least looked less jarring if it was set years later and the characters had visibly aged.
also the underminer fight is not really resolved
@@luma4902 True
If there's ever an Incredibles 3, I hope it captures the spirit of what made the first movie so great.
@@luma4902 probably a set up for incredibles 3
@@luma4902 right one scene and we never see him again.
I really hate how they just retold the same story, like I was hoping the story would have progressed, but no, they reset everything and had them go through the same motions with some changes here and there.
Agree. It was an atrocious, not-fun movie. Another lame Disney twist villain. Everything about it sucked. You can see/sense all of the blatant creative interference from higher-ups.
It feels like this with a lot of Disney and animated sequels in general. Rehash/retell the same story. The HORRID Disney live action remakes are another type of this imo. The characters don't age, change, learn, or progress anymore, its so annoying. I wish animated movies were treated more seriously in their story progression, especially when there is such a gap between films. The Incredibles story should have grown with its audience, but the characters and plot just felt like regressed rehashes of the first movie. Plus, Disney's obsession, especially during The Incredible 2's release, with crappy "twist" villains as obvious as the sun really didn't help either.
@@oystersoup3434 It was a good, enjoyable movie. Definitely worth watching. You’re just being salty and over dramatic.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 Was it a good, enjoyable movie? Maybe it was, though I'd disagree for a number of reasons. It was dull, passionless, and unfocused.
Was it a good sequel? Fuck no, it wasn't. That's an important distinction.
Retold you say?
Syndrome, a disaffected genius with no empathy wants to be a super though he already is.
He hates the real ones for ignoring him lead by Mr. Incredible and uses them to make his robot unstoppable. He wants to be above all other supers.
Evelin Deaver blames the supers for her parents deaths even though the supers by then were illegal to use their super powers. An irrational conclusion. She wants to sabotage the ULN meeting to make all supers legal internationally.
I did find it incredibly Terrible, mostly just by how... badly written it's... just as you said, there are a lot of really underwhelming elements in this movie that honestly don't mesh all that well together. The main villain motivation and reasoning behind her actions? Are not only dumb, but incredibly also stupid in how she approached it. This is a movie whose problem is basically focused on one point: Helen Parr... the first movie was Bob centered, yes, but not in a way that diminished the importance of the other characters, and in the end, the whole message was that Bob couldn't do it alone, but they as a family, as a unit, could do far more.
The sequel? Let's empower Helen by diminishing the roles and development of the others in the process! Because it wasn't only Bob who seemed to be placed on a diminished role, but also the other characters as well. It was a movie that was, to me, more worried and centered on being bombastic and action filled movie, (The kind that at that point, has already inundated the market) than to tell a story. HISHE also made more creative use of the characters powers than this movie did, especially in how to solve the problem of the control glasses once it was discovered.
I'm not afraid to say that this movie was bad, and often say so when asked what I think about it. This sequel was bad, really bad, and even worse, it was a lower tier superhero movie compared to others. And, as you've also said, instead of deconstructing the Superhero tropes as the first one did, this one fully embraced them which is why it feels so jarrying and different in tune.
I for once, agree that the game is a far more apt sequel to be honest.
Also, I would've feel that yes, a few years later would've changed many things in how things happened in the movie, for example, I would've liked to see them explore one of the glaring issues and weakeness of the original film, the Anti/Suppresing hero law. Yes, it's obvious that the good and law abiding Supers would obey, but... why did the villains obey the law as well... they're criminals, and if the government is basically handing them the world on a silver platter by making the people that can actually foil their plans and goals, illegal. WHY did they dissapear as well? WHY DID THE VILLAINS SUDDENLY DECIDE: HEY, I WILL NOW OBEY THE LAW! Syndrome clearly showed that, no, they didn't and they got rich and powerful to earn and build shadow organizations that governments didn't had a clue of.
I would've liked the sequel to explore that, just how seamless the process was, and how strange/weird that criminal supers also dissapeared as well, did they? Or did they learned to hide better? More accustomed to do things behind the governments back, was it truly a natural thing to do? And, the damage on the civilians that Super fights tend to do, they're still there, just with the damage the underminer did, thing should've heated in the discussions of that world once again, because, so far, the villains supers were unnaturally quiet and passive until Syndrome launched a public attack. Dang, I mean, Evelyn should've grasped THAT point to hammer how much the anti-suppresing hero laws are needed, because for nearly a decade, probably more, that kind of damage or event hasn't come to pass. It would've been an interesting analysis as well of how much damage heroes do while trying to take down said villains.
Why then, not also use heroes in more apt jobs that make good use of their abilities in their public personas? How are Supers created on that world? Syndrome seems to show that it's genetic, but he shows that even a crafty individual could become Super... What if, ironically, his goal of making everyone SUPER was actually a solution to their problems? There are just so many ways to explore the questions that were created on the first movie, and the second... does nothing to fully explore that completely, the movie is merely centered in how Helen is a badass heroine, while Bob struggles with parenthood and basically comes appart in a few days. And what they did to Violet and Dash... they feel just so... diminished in their roles, Dash feels even more childish than the first one, who feels asphixiated and frustrated that he cannot use his abilities and how the suppresion was affecting him, Violet just... feels bratty.
Damn the whole "I'll stay here..." annoyed me the heck, because it could've been better written, for example, Violet realizing that as the oldest sibling, she also shares some responsability in the wellfare of the family. She realizing that while her parents are too busy fighting to protect them, she's literally and figuratively the shield for her siblings in the case something come to pass, she backing off to protect her siblings would've been an awesome development for her, as it would've expanded on the first movie issue with her feeling invisible, and Dash as well now that I think about it, they both suffered attacks of adults that wanted to literally KILL THEM months ago, and that... isn't talked about, at all... I feel that would've been far more potent theme to deal with, than "MY LOVE INTEREST DOESN'T REMEMBERS ME!" With how the childrens of Super, especially children that are Supers, cope with such an scenario.
Agh, I'll just stop, because the more I analyse the sequel, the more frustrated I get at how much they missed the goal and the many, MANY excelent points they simply decided not to use, just to go with a more generic plot with the usual "SURPRISE VILLAIN" from them.
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That would’ve been great character development for Violet, but nooooo, let’s just have her be a teenage stereotype and only focus on her crush not remembering her.
Perfect comment
@@lovelycloudyskies do you know many people with crushes ?
The Incredibles 2 might be the most disappointed by a film I've been since... well take your pick of bad sequels Disney has made in the last 5 years or so.
I mean Dash had NOTHING in the sequel. Bob weirdly digressed as a character along with Violet kinda. Not to mention Helen brings up how hypocritical her actions in this film are to how she reacted to Bob in the first film but brushes them aside. This film desperately needed a time skip like how Toy Story 3 grew up with it's audience.
*screenslaver*_______________mind control
@@aeternus-animus note the Outer Limits opening in relation to Screen Slaver on the tv.
Foreshadowing.
My big issue with this movie is that at the end of the first movie, when the Underminer rises, The Incredibles family put on their masks, including Jack-Jack as well! When Jack-Jack wore the mask, that would mean that the family already found out that he had his own super powers, and the fact that the second movie retcons that aspect is really disappointing. :(
Yeah. It’s like they totally forgot that he was part of the ending, throwing the tantrum in Syndrome’s hands and having to be caught by Helen out of mid-air. Little things like that just show how detached this sequel is from the first movie. I know the same guy wrote and directed it, but it’s like Incredibles 2 was written by people who were told the plot of the first movie by a drunken friend, forgetting all of the nuances and important key moments
@@jamesynfg
Yeah! Especially that the ending takes place like 6 months later after Syndrome’s gruesome death, they’d know that the family already found out by themselves that Jack Jack has superpowers! Brad Bird was the director for the sequel to be sure, but it obviously more often seems to be Bob Iger’s fault for how horrendous the sequel turned out to be, leaving Brad Bird unsatisfied because he loves to make timeless animated masterpieces, not make subpar and mediocre movies. The same thing happened with Ralph Breaks The Internet, Rich Moore was also dissatisfied with that sequel. No wonder why Brad Bird and Rich Moore left Disney since the higher ups were meddling with the animated film productions. :/
@@alejandrovelez6358 they never heard from Khary who has seen it. Then was erased.
Also the motel makes no sense. After the Underminer Rick Dicker says he can't relocate them again and can only put them in a motel for two weeks since Syndrome destroyed their old house and the Supers Relocation Department is shutting down. But the Underminer took place three whole months after that. Where were they living all that time, and why hadn't they been relocated already during that time period before the SRD shut down??
And more of a nitpick than anything, but why was everybody, including the ever-cautious Elastigirl, so gung-ho and confident about suiting up immediately to fight if supers weren't accepted? The entire first film end, from the celebration of the citizens when they defeated the Omnidroid to the freaking...color palette and mood tone and the family demeanors themselves as happy and whole (i.e., free to be themselves and thus just better for it in general) at the track meet to confident gearing for a fight afterwards...it all points to the implication that supers are either legal outright OR socially accepted to the point they're not really worried about possible repercussions of hero-ing. And yet those repercussions are very clearly alive and well in the second film... james said it well: the second film really is disconnected from the first.
@@alejandrovelez6358 I think I heard somewhere that Brad Bird wasn't really allowed to direct this movie as he was the first one, and was just generally stifled and rejected, so it wasn't really what he wanted to make...and so we get this.
Full agree about Jack-Jack.
The most memorable bit of dialogue from the 1st movie: " HOOOOOONNNNEEEY... WHAAAARRE'S MY SUPA'SUUUUUIT?!!!"
The most memorable bit of dialogue from the second movie: " Nom Nom cookie? CHA CHA WANT A COOKIE, cOookieee!"
"MATH IS MATH!"
“MATH IS MATH”
“Where you going ASAP you better be back ASAP!!!!”
NO CAPES!
You got BUSY!
- Syndrome, 2004
I think the thing that makes this movie so weak in comparison to the first one too is how the first one is more imaginative, with a much better artistic sense, that which you can notice by how the soundtrack, humour and plot lines have been made.
I enjoyed this movie when it came out, but my mom, who saw the original one on cinema with me back in 2004, didn't like it.
Tbh, I still find the plotline of the ROTU game to be much more imaginative and fun than this one, it just doesn't feel like a super hero movie as much as the first one and the game
I like both of them. I want more. MORE.
Honey was originally supposed to have an onscreen appearance. She even had a character design. But the writers decided that it would be funnier if she was shown offscreen.
For me, the Incredibles 2 was blasé, in some ways, it was a rehash from the first movie, just with Elastigirl instead of Mr. Incredible. It's ironic Bob rants about mediocrity in the first movie, only for the sequel to be mediocre, I think the Incredibles should have remained one film, for everything was wrapped up, there was no need for a follow up, but because it made money, Disney and Pixar wanted more cash for the audience.
As the expression goes “Sometimes, less is more “.
They took a lighter tone so no dead mooks.
Incredibles one was probably one of the best pixar films, it had amazing characters, great story and so much more. Incredibles two..Was okay, wasn't as good as the first, but it was OKAY at least.
no need to lie to yourself
Did you see mr skelly bones
@@Spacething7474 I can understand not disliking a movie while also finding it disappointing at the same time.
I won't lie, Helen's first fight with the Screenslaver is my favorite part in the film. The simple line: "Find anything?" Cutting through the silence, immediately followed by the loud bang of the closing door and the bright flash of the swirling lights that immediately spike your adrenaline and let you know: This was a trap. Then there's the way he immediately follows up with the electric baton, shocking Helen's limbs into submission while she's completely stunned and overwhelmed, letting the audience know that not only is this villain capable of capitalizing on the element of surprise, but that he's competent enough to have studied Elastagirl's abilities and how certain weapons might affect them. Helen starts gaining momentum in the fight, prompting her assailant to turn and run, activating a detonator on the way out of the room, a clear contingency that once again shows his competence. The following chase only further bolsters this: the way he bangs on the doors without slowing to cause a pileup of innocent bystanders to get in Elastagirl's way, his acrobatic movements, the way he occasionally turns to sucker punch Elastagirl, momentarily stunning her, all leading to an epic leap from the building, which explodes in the background, deatroying all evidence of his hideout's existence. I probably skipped a few things or explained a few things poorly, but basically what I'm trying to say is that I feel like the movie would have been better if the Screenslaver was an actual person and the true villain of the film. His monologue was actually pretty compelling in my opinion, and it felt like a waste to have such an interesting scene which showed a villain with actual competence be wasted in such a way.
I very much agree with you
I wish they had combined the scrapped film idea of an AI villain with the screenslaver, where the real screenslaver was actually an AI algorith working behind the scenes with the motivation to destroy superheroes for some reason. That would have been so much cooler.
Been wanting this for a while. While Incredibles 2 is a fine mobile. I have always felt that it was a poor sequel. Thank you for comparing the two showing why!
Movie companies seem to be a lot lazier with writing nowadays.. because they can..
At least disney seems to be attempting to fix that with the star wars shows, they have been kinda good except for the start of kenobi so far
They were lazy back then too. People are just too nostalgia blind to notice.
Hmm
@@riddlerthediddler4392 but still bad, and it's spread to other Disney product like mcu and pixar
I'll just say this... I've rewatched The Incredibles multiple times in a week because it was *that* good... and I've seen the sequel once or twice but that's it and it's already been a few years since it came out...
Same here. The Incredibles is probably one of my favorite movies ever made, while Incredibles 2 is just… there. It’s a fine movie, but it’s definitely not a good sequel. There just many ideas in there I thought were undercooked and just dropped entirely and forgotten abt, as well as some questionable writing decisions
I remember seeing the incredibles 2 movie, and the voice actors got me all hyped up after there being no sequel to the movie for a very long time. I watched it and I liked it, but it didn’t give the same emotion. Their action scenes didn’t get me so exited and on edge like the first one. Even though I’ve watched the first incredibles movie fifty bazillion times, every time I watch the tense scenes I am enthralled. Will they make it out this time even though I’ve watched it fifty bazillion times and know they are going to be fine.
Here's what I would've preferred:
We check in with The Incredibles fourteen years after the events of the first one. Violet is a newlywed to Tony, and finds out she's pregnant. Dash is in college on a sports scholarship. Jack-Jack is the only child left in the household, and Bob and Helen are struggling to raise him with his growing list of strange powers and teen angst while they're growing older. All the while every family member is still trying to be a superhero.
The plot begins when Jack-Jack gets a mysterious message from a rival from the Incredibles' past.
This comment section, including yours, need to be writers for Pixar
I want an incredibles tv series. Out of all the disney franchises, you'd think they would've been done that. It would be cool seeing a more darker tone in a tv series. Having the family go on missions and fighting new villains.
11:25-11:35 I saw the movie not long after it came out, and as I was leaving the theatre, I felt a little concerned about those scenes causing another Porygon incident.
Also, the day I went to see it just happened to be the same day Toy Story Land opened.
18:47 "I missed Jack Jack's first power?!" No, you saw it when he was being kidnapped by Syndrome near the end of the first movie 😅 he became fire, solid, a monster... almost everything he becomes in this movie!
ALMOST everything?
Me after watching the first movie, how did they suddenly forget he has powers?
NOPE, they where standing at the ground while Jack-Jack and Syndrome where flying through the air. All the family saw was Syndrome suddenly struggling to take Jack-Jack, but they where so far away at the ground that they didn't actually saw what happened, and they literally say this in the scene like Helen says something like "I can't see whats going up there".
Random cool way they could have done frozone’s intro better. Instead of him just walking up to them, take advantage of the fact that theyre by a pool. Bob and Helen are at one end and frozone walks in from the other. We see the pool freezing over as Bob and Helen look up then the camera cuts to Lucius walking on top of the water using his ice powers. Would have been a more interesting way to reintroduce him, first cluing the audience in on who he is by showing the pool freezing and having them make the connection.
I LOVE the Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer game! I played it since it released on GameCube. It really is what Incredibles 2 should’ve been. I thought the Underminer was gonna be the main villain, yet the fight they hyped up for 14 years ends in 5 minutes to introduce a new villain. Why? I don’t get it. So yeah, the game is more canon to me than the 2nd movie. Great review! 👍🏻
You can't deny the sequence between Jack-Jack and the raccoon is amazing and iconic
Iconic my ass I'm willing to bet 99% of people wouldn't be able to remember any of the powers he used besides fire and maybe laser eyes
and we could get that as a short instead of a feature movie literally everything with Jack Jack that is the best part could be a series of shorts
@@lynx4082 you just wanna suck the joy out of everything🙄
I can deny it cause I watched the movie and literally dont remember a raccoon scene. The entire movie was that forgettable, I've forgotten most of details outside the main plot. xDDD
Not iconic, but kinda amazing.
I love how you included the *mr incredible becomes uncanny* songs, I miss those
The Mr.Incredible memes are something else.
I actually liked this film. While it wasn't as enjoyable as the original, and the Villain's reveal could be seen from a mile away, it was still fun and nice to see our favourite superpowered family again.
Stockholm *Syndrome*
Same man
That's the best part!
What is the point of just seeing the characters again if they are just going to repeat the same story again?
If you just want to see the characters, watch incredibles 1. A sequel needs a reason to exist, and this movie doens't have any new idea or contribution to give to the story of the incredibles.
Most middle of the road film i’ve ever watched
I did like Jack-Jack and Edna's interactions, plus The Antie Edna Short was adorable, but they left me wanting more of them together.
For your next video about a cancelled animated movie, look into the adaptation of Mort by Terry Pratchett that Disney was apparently working on before Moana. I only recently found that piece of information while looking through the Discworld wiki and I was surprised to hear about it since I've never heard anyone discuss it.
Although, given Disney's track record of getting their hands on any franchise they can, I'm not convinced that the project will never see the light of day.
Movie: *Is at least slightly average*
Dazz: Best I can do is _terrible_
Tomoko?!
I honestly love what they did in the beginning of Incredibles 2! It reminded me so much of Jack Jack attack and it was a refreshing way to get back to where we left off AND to see how Tony was doing after talking to Violet!
I feel the exact same way. This plus toy story 4 make it obvious that pixar isn't good at making sequels anymore. Or atleast sequels to their classic films. Disney as a whole doesn't put to much effort into they're remakes and sequels I.e. frozen 2 and every live action remake they've ever made. Constantly making references to the originals without trying to make the new ones memorable.
Funny how people barely acknowledge the sequel despite us begging for one for so long
The goofy, bizarrely-proportioned supers at the end are antithetical to the very concept of the Incredibles: superheroes if they were normal people. Yes, the first movie had many over-the-top ideas (giant robots, etc), but they were always presented in a way that made them easy to believe, and the most important elements were the more grounded aspects of the story. The new characters don't even look human, which clashes terribly with the mostly realistic look of the older characters. The other vital idea of the first film (that it featured a family of superheroes rather than a team or an individual) is also dropped in favor of an Elastigirl spin off duct-taped to a short film about Bob learning to dad, which hurts both the action choreography and the plot. Speaking of Bob, they also assassinated if not his character, then certainly his character growth. His whole arc in the first film was learning to value and work with his family instead of trying to do everything himself, which involved learning to be less selfish. Suddenly in this movie he's forgotten all that and is acting even less mature than he did before said discarded character arc. The twist villain is also very predictable and lacks the self-aware charm of Syndrome. Not only that, but the commentary on screen and media use, as well as its personified representative (Screen Slaver) doesn't seem relevant or well connected to the evil twist villain lady (can't recall her name) in addition to being poorly fleshed out and very surface-level.
Also when I saw it they put a weird kind of clip/introduction before playing the movie, which featured cast and crew basically saying, "Look, we know it's been a long time since the last one but that's because making movies is hard, OK?" It was honestly kind of cringey and I'm not sure why they felt the need to add it.
I do not agree at all.
YES! Thank you, you just said exactly what I've been thinking, but better. Especially about the new supers, which, mind you, I like, I just do not see some of them working in reality. Specifically Brick and Reflux, and probably Screech also but that depends on how much of his very weird face is real. Him and Brick are...problematic for normal covers, and Reflux is a complete liability on the field. He's in no physical shape and has no way to get one any time soon with his age and lack of one in the past, and his powers don't make up for that in any way. He's not a veteran that has the head knowledge, either. He's going to die the first time anything serious comes up.
Also, Voyd needs to drop the dyed hair. It's pretty, but gives away a secret identity. Presuming that it's even dyed, because if it's natural then I have a much bigger issue here...and I fear it is, because a lot of other background new supers also have neon hair of some sort and what are the chances they ALL decided to dye -_- As you said, their whole...abnormal appearances are contrary and inconsistent to the established concept of superheroes in this universe...well, you said it all! And unrealistic...
I would also like to add that all the character development of the first film was erased, too. It wasn't just family-focused, family-valuing Elastigirl deciding to leave them behind to go solo, or Mr. Incredible losing his intelligence, competence, and the family closeness he earned in the original movie, but Violet lost her confidence and went back to being shy and moody again (except worse) and Dash completely forgot any maturity or consideration that was learned before and become an obnoxious, one-note annoyance that felt like a caricature rather than a real boy. (Also a nitpick, but I didn't like his hair. It felt too polished and pretentious for a ten-year-old, like a college boy trying to be handsome for dates. Didn't fit him at all.)
(Overly outwardly polished and inwardly substantially pretentious as a description actually fits this film very well, now that I think about it.)
As for the villain, I am massively disappointed that the Screenslaver turned out to not be the real one. I was so hyped for him and he seemed and awesomely bad real threat, and he could have been a _great_ commentary on today's digital obsession too in the right writer's hands. Perhaps not as timeless and universal as the ordinary/extraordinary dichotomy from Syndrome, but still a relevant, good, and valid message in the present world. But no. We got discount-pale-ripoff-Syndrome instead. The whole sequel is like a watered-down version of the original (which was an opinion I held before, but wow this video really highlights it).
@@randallbesch2424 Fair enough
@@Midoriventure Good points
Bird was very hesitant to make it so it took him a long time to even begin, but I'm glad he did. The characters move and make decisions in a new scenario for the family - they have to come out of hiding, in their own minds. I just watched both films back to back and although the first one is close to being a perfect film, this one revisits the characters in a way that shows more of their struggle than before. I love that and I really enjoyed it.
One thing I really loved about this movie was the b-plot of Mr. Incredible dealing with the kids, I think the father-daughter moments of Bob and Violet were really emotional and relatable. I also LOVED when Jack-Jack attacked the raccoon, that was great. Overall, I think this movie is quite underrated and pretty good. I’d say it’s kinda close to as good as the original. Overall 7.5/10.
no yur just wrong its a terrible movie
@@evantheninja3 no your just wrong its a wonderful movie
Despite my issues with Incredibles 2 (especially the villain), I still liked it. The first Incredibles film was way better of course, but out of all of Pixar's sequels, this was still good.
Agreed
I actually loved the sequel, and it’s also very relatable because I live in a family of 5. Two parents, and two siblings. I am male and I’m the middle child, I have an older sister and a younger brother so this movie is like us ;(
There were also other coincidences that made us like the movie more, such as “MATH IS MATH!” Which directly relates to when my dad was helping me with math homework a few days or weeks before the movie’s release. That’s why we loved the movie so much.
I'm in the tiny crowd that actually liked the light effects in the theater, and was disappointed to find out they cut it out of the 4K release too even with the rumors and flashing lights warning on the back
The side by side comparisons really highlight the lack of effort and ingenuity on display. Well done!
"Do you plan to crucify me?"
"I mean, I have the hair now"
🤣🤣🤣
It is sad when creators don’t know what parts of their movie made them successful. It always leads to disappointment.
Toy story sequels were successful because they grew up with the viewers... Why couldn't they do the same here? I was so disappointed with this sequel
Guess I'm the only one here that thought this movie was genius. I thought I was going to find it really disappointing after 14 years or the rose colored lenses were going to come off, but it was amazing how satisfied I was and I love the intro sequence with it picking up right where it left off as if 14 years didn't pass. All the nods back to the first movie was a nostalgia trip I really appreciated. The only thing that bothered me was the fact that Mr. Incredible was being a big baby about having to take care of his family, but I also understood that it's just part of his attention seeking personality.
Your comment on the sound design was strange. Of course you'd here more bass with giant boulders being thrown against a mountain, but why would you expect more bass tones with a bike being flung by Elasta Girl? If anything, the sound design was spot on for someone who is more graceful then Mr. Incredible. Even Jack Jack's bond theme to catch the thief was based on the whole "the Raccoon looks like the burglar on TV" motif that the scene was going for. It would have been weird to switch to a grand orchestra. The first movie was all about their powers which was great when we were kids, but now we are adults and seeing supers deal with normal problems like public image, insured buildings, and trying to pass a law to fight for supers being back on the streets seems like a movie that grew up with its audience. How do praise the first movie for having done so much in the first 40 minutes and then complain about a bunch of plot stuff the 2nd movie did in 30 minutes?
I agree there were a lot of cool things that had a "wow factor" in the first movie that kept me on the edge of my seat, but the mystery of the strange she was chasing still captured me and kept me curious the whole time. Even the villain has a better plot and plan then the original villain. The original villain just wanted to become super even with no powers because he was rejected by Mr. Incredible. The new villain framed someone while playing the good guy and pulling strings in the background, came up with technology that brainwashed supers into becoming terrorists ensuring that the new law her brother was petitioning for would never see the light of day and further tarnishing the reputation of supers forever. That's a very elaborate plan. I definitely agree that the fights weren't anywhere near the level of creativity of the first. I guess I just loved this movie. It definitely wasn't better than the first, but after 14 years it just hit all the right spots to be completely satisfying.
The LEGO game adds some improvements to the story of the second movie. They don't change a lot of the central story, but due to the game being either single or two player one of the new superheroes always goes with Ilastigirl on her missons so you see more of their powers. They also make it clear that Krushauer's power isn't super strength like it looks, but actually telekenisis that he uses for crushing things. It would have been cool to address that is what his power is. They only show it during the party where he shows Winston that he can crush a soda can without touching it. It's a cool way of doing a type of super strength without giving them super strength. I think the owl man has a sonic scream since his name is Screech, but they don't really show it much. They have some interesting powers, but don't do much with them.
I'm glad you addressed it immediately lmao. Saw the title and I was like, "I wouldn't say it's terrible?"😂
The Incredibles 2 is what every Jurassic park sequel film is to the original. The first movie was a masterpiece and in no regard are the other films bad at all. They contain a lot of good practical effects and cgi that only improved over the vast period of time between the first film and the most recent, but if you look deeper, the story portrayed in every sequel film just isn't on par with the original. Some events within the film just don't fit and aren't characteristic of the franchise at the point in time of it's conception. Agree? (Not a 1 to 1 comparison but similar nonetheless).
This is a very good comparison. I didn't HATE The Incredible 2. It would be pretty good actually if it was a standalone film with nothing else to compare it to, but since it is a sequel to such an awesome first film, it had big shoes to fill and just couldn't quite fit them. Not a terrible film, definitely not on its own, but looks much worse riding on the coattails of its predecessor.
Interesting to see incredibles 2 be so hyped AND praised when it came out- and only a few years later- now people are finding it underwhelming-
Not to me.
The only thing I like about this movie is that during the scene with Elastigirl tracking down the Screenslaver with the "jumbled" radio sounds. The visuals actually distract you from the radio sounds but if you listen/ pay attention to the radio sounds it's perfectly fine English.
just like Toy Story 4...
Did you see mr skelly bones
I prefer Incredibles 2 over Toy Story 4.
8:25 i don tthink this is a problem at all elasticwomans theme fits her alot more because of how stretchy she is and bobs would be more bassy because of how strong he would be
The biggest mistake was separating the family / focusing on elastic girl.
The end of the first movie the family was united as hero team and the first thing the sequel does is break it.
Its was all downhill from there. I remember that my expectations where low for this movie from the moment I saw the trailers and they didn't prove me wrong.
For you not for me.
My friend was so angry that they reused the “dangling train” scene in the sequel, and I can’t blame him.
The first movie does its best to set up the characters and the plot, each scene feels purposeful to get us to care and keep us engrossed.
Yet, the sequel just has things happen just because. It's not trying to sell us on the heart of the story anymore, just point a to b. It's clear Brad Bird was forced into this with a hefty paycheck. Just to get the job done, I don't think it's awful, just very disappointing.
It’s a shame too cause screen slaver was a villain with a lot of potential.
I think I would have been down for them staying the villain if they just stuck with the original idea of doing a bit of a time jump. Maybe even kept some of those deleted scenes.
having seen breaking bad before rewatching ti2 i can confirm it was better when bob odenkirk's character got introduced it completely slipped by me the first time
14 years and the Underminer is not even in the movie for 5 minutes.
Agreed. It's not a terrible movie itself, far from the worst. But as a The Incredibles follow up, it should've been so much more. But then again do to the rushed production it had behind the scenes, they had Infinity War that year and yet they decided no Pixar film during the summer time wasn't something they could handle. Pixar, take as much time as you need with your projects, or end up with disappointing results as this. Like I said, it's not a terrible film that I wouldn't mind sitting through again, but this fourteen long waiting film deserved more justice.
The villain in 1 was a worlds stakes fight, 2 just had a boat crash into a city that wasn't anywhere near as high stake in 1
Incidental to saving the meeting to make supers legal or illegal around the word.
HIGH STAKES
While I always knew the film could never come close to the original, it was pretty magical seeing it in an Odeon Luxe cinema with friends all around my age who grew up watching the first film.
(especially as I have the faintest memory of seeing the first film in the cinema when I was only 4)
The point was to not copy the original.
In terms of music, I would've liked to have different themes for the different powers used. For Elastigirl, have more drawn out sections with the jazz and then bombastic flares for brass. Violet could have a softer tune that has some brass when she lands a blow or shows herself. Dash of course would have a fast paced energetic tune to accompany him. And for Jack Jack, why not have a different theme for each time he uses his powers. Have the fire be some sorta orchestral singing like in the short, have the lasers be a bit more punctual when he just fires single shots, multiplying could have multiple levels, telekinetic could be more experimental for the movie. These are just off the top of my head but I just think that it could've built upon the great score of the first movie by introducing new themes to the characters
I didn’t think it was terrible, but the flashing screens REALLY needed an epilepsy warning
There was a warning.
@randallbesch2424
I don’t remember seeing one at all. Maybe they put that in afterwards?
I think the agent re-using the same general lines for yet another super witness is very fitting. His whole energy is and was that he's been doing this shit for too damn long.
Definitely a disappointing movie, if compared to the first one. A movie that MANY of the fans wanted a sequel of, compared to all the other movies that didn't need a sequel, or ended in a way that people were satisfied with being a one off movie. They really would've benefitted from just doing a "X" years time skip, having the first 11 mins explain what happened after the Underminer, the situation of the Supers, etc etc, and then We have Violet as a young adult, probably in University, working a job, dating, etc., Dash in High School, going through his teenager years and the chaos that that follows, Jack-Jack at the age that Dash was, possibly coping with his powers that are probably getting out of control?
Instead of a Villain who's trying to make Supers illegal, when they already were, they could just have a group of Supers who start their own organization(The League of Super Villians or something like that), run by a Non-Super who's manipulated other Supers to working for them in order to convince them that THEY don't need to adhere to any laws, because THEY are above the law. Probably at this time, the military could get involved and have an Anti-Super task forced created, hunting down ANY and ALL Supers to eliminate them for good. Thus, putting Jack-Jack center stage, because of how unpredictable his powers are, causing friction between the family or something; Civil War style, I guess? I dunno. It would be fun to have seen the many ideas and concepts, they could've came up with during the development time.
The only scenes in Incredibles 2 that were on par, or nearly on par, was Elastic Girl's Motobike chase, because just how creative it was on using her body, and how it effected the bike; really cool! Then I'd say, Jack-Jack's fight with the Racoon, showing off most of the powers he has, in a humorous way, but also fairly creative too. Everything else, the movie really just felt...dry to me; you could easily tell the age of the VAs, as they weren't as energetic as they once were, another reason as to why they should've just did a time skip.
the music where the video cut for the ad lined up perfectly with the music of the add and it literally sounded so similar lmao
Prove me wrong: Edna was such an underrated character
Fun fact, a Lego incredibles video game released not too long after the second movie released with both films playable
Incredible 1 >>>>> 2. 2 was just comedic relief. 1 was whole hearted, intense, deep, mature, thrilling (plane scene), Helen’s maturity for the sake of her family and being a mother (v relatable) Syndromes darkness, he’s a murderer, the deceptions, Jack Jack getting kidnapped. 2 has a super/villain with acid reflux… acid reflux 😑
Lighter tone not so dark as the first. One of the Euro supers has magma reflux under the control of Screen Slaver not the villain. NOT the villain. Did you actually watch the entire movie? I think not.
Here’s an idea: Pixar should make a solo Frozone movie.
What I loved about the first movie is that they show how both elastic girl and mr incredible use their powers to get in side the base.
You saw it in he beginning.
You know what else bugged me about the sequel? The character designs. All the new characters look so different from the characters in the first movie. They all just look way more angular and less round than Incredibles 1's characters. To be honest, the new character designs remind more of Dreamworks' style...
With DreamWorks, their animation styles are all over the place.
Haven't watched the video yet but heres what I have to say: I remember ppl discussing whether the sequel is better than the original.. Meanwhile I left the cinema only with complaints. Idk the movie just felt shallow and I disliked all the characters I loved in the first one. Also the story was super predictable and basic. Plus jack jacks multiple powers just felt like an excuse for lazy writing. Like "we have this problem here how do we solve it?.... JACK JACKS NEW POWER UNLOCKED" it was cheap...
Just watch it first then come back.
If they had shown a bit of the Underminer fight but had abruptly ended it with Mr Incredible getting knocked out and waking up months later only to find out Elastigirl is now the big superhero everyone is talking about & all of the new superheroes coming into the scene making him feel excited to come back and fight crime again, only to be forced to stay home with the kids for some time to recover from his injuries. I think that would've been a much better way to start the movie.
I 100% agree with the title. The incredible 2 felt like a cash grab that contained all the worst elements of modern movies packed into one slightly entertaining movie for kids. It completely lacked the nuance and family dynamic of the first one and was a massive disappointment to me.
Did you see mr skelly bones
I did
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Mr skelly bones
"YOU married ELASTIC GIRL??"
*Most dramatic gasp ever*
"AND GOT BUSY !!!"
The Incredibles 2 felt like a Family Guy episode.
I can sorta see it in a way lol.
@@olleselin The Parr family isn’t anywhere as crude or mean. But I sorta see it lol.
Brad Bird worked on The Simpsons, and then Family Guy plagiarizes the Simpsons that only had contemptible characters and tasteless jokes to offer. So Brad Bird comes in with Incredibles 2 to makes a story with likeable characters and fun family moments that puts Family Guy to dust.
Coincidence, I THINK NOT!
0:36 that Mr. Incredible on the milk carton is an image from a wiki fandom
I enjoyed The Incredibles 2 a lot but I will admit that it didn’t live up to the first one and I don’t really find that to be a bad thing. But I can’t really get behind the twist villain. Basically, everything everyone else has said.
Something I really hate about Incredibles 2 is how saturated and vibrant it looks. One of the best things about the first one was how it juxtaposed it’s lively animation with washed out color grading. It gave it a rougher feel and it also made the characters look more natural. Incredibles 2 just makes everyone look like a typical squeaky clean Disney character.
I don’t think it’s a bad movie just very average and forgettable
Imagine a 2d Incredibles movie about the glory days directed by genndy tartakovsky
Totally agree. The second movie doesn't seem like it's from the same universe
I know the first thing I thought was "wait... it's been 14 years and they're continuing 2 seconds before the last one ended?" Followed by "wait how did Violet suddenly become so capable with her shields?"
Violet has been practicing.
Personally I loved it. And because I love it I am willing to accept its shortcoming.
Edit: for the record I like the first one better ofc.
And it was annoying that violets love interest memory got wiped.
i love the new superheroes that were introduced into this story, and the way the super society was building back up after so many years of hiding. the worldbuilding in that sense was the best part to me (though i am a huge sucker for worldbuilding).
oh, and the amazing animation improvements. it looks amazing now.
I just love world building---there are so many ways.