If you ask me, THIS should’ve been the debut, and not ‘Debut’. For one, I can actually tell their voice’s apart, it’s slightly longer (barely) and it’s WAY catchier. This soft, feminine vibe fits them way better
No honey debut should be the first to released followed by touch look how successful touch is although debut too was a success very upbeat type music ❤🎉🎉
@@ikeeneye no…they are a global group…outside of Korea in the real world most musical acts drops one or 2 singles before dropping the single tied to the album with all three songs in it. You guys took one lyric out of a nonsensical song to cope with the shortness of the songs and tired to apply kpop logic to group that isn’t kpop. One of the biggest kpop gaslights of 2024
I have a friend who hates K-pop and would never listen to it and she heard Touch on TikTok and now she’s obsessed with them and has learned all the members name,birthday and where they’re from she even has a bias😭
Short songs are very common amongst western girl groups currently so I’m not surprised KASTEYE went this route. Also anyone questioning why they performed at KCON or made TikTok’s with idol groups needs to start thinking logically 😂 Promotional activities in the western market are far and few between. Most promotional activity to western artists are tours and festivals none of which a newly debuted girl group can or should participate in… K-Pop has a new promotional event/concert every week in which the artists perform usually 1 to 3 songs. The benefit of being signed to a K-pop label is that you can become a K-pop adjacent artist which will ultimately prove valuable due to how much you can promote and the community involved. NewJeans is the biggest girl group to debut this decade largely due to how good their music is and the community K-pop has garnered. Imagine if they were signed to a US label and had global promotions they’d be unstoppable. Bring in KATSEYE a global girl group who is tied to both a US label and K-Pop label. They can do what most K-pop groups fail to do which is have proper western as well as Asian promotions. They get the K-Pop benefits without being tagged with the label. Ultimately I think KATSEYE will be very big and I’m excited to see them soar and grow.
This explained it so well. The way groups are promoted in the US in wayy different from how they're promoted in kpop, and right now katseye basically has the best of both worlds. If they're able to cement themselves in the kpop scene, and the US they might be able to get as big as little mix or even fifth harmony when they were in their prime
This explained it so well. The way groups are promoted in the US in wayy different from how they're promoted in kpop, and right now katseye basically has the best of both worlds. If they're able to cement themselves in the kpop scene, and the US they might be able to get as big as little mix or even fifth harmony when they were in their prime
Kcon LA is still a better promo than Korean music shows (I'm talking about pre debut vcha). Because it is still kpop community in west. That's their target audience at first. Then they aim to grow to general music listeners there. I think this is what they intend to be
I mean VCHA's debut stage got a lot of attention though and their numbers up until this point are better than Katseye. Although Katseye is more "cool" (not like the other girls if you will), has the Hybe pull and not that many minors. Maybe they did wait too long after DA. I'm still waiting for VCHA to come back but imo they could benefit from these events too or again maybe even promote on music shows. They can also show their live singing much better. Especially JYPE groups have proven to be successful in other countries like NiziU or Twice Misamo. And Kaylee, 13 or not, was the golden maknae. Not that I like it but she could've been like Seoweon from UNIS. But with her being on hiatus anyway, Lollapalooza canceled and no news, let's just see if JYPE has any plans for them😂
@@moongirl8807 yeah, they were more successful from what we have seen so far. But Kaylee is still in hiatus right? Their absence is scaring me. Did jype give up on them? They were quick with their first comeback. But they are silent for long.
@@nonamenosurname6127 There is too much money invested in VCHA especially from Republic Records. The girls are probably training more ..who knows but the only way to ensure JYP supports these girls if we, the fans, keep streaming the music, watch the videos, content, and buy merchandise.
@nonamenosurname6127 they did post on Savannah's birthday last week and I'm not too worried after that. Obviously it's impossible to speculate what happened, some people have more reasonable ideas like that they weren't ready for Lolla or just on a summer break but we'll never know. They did have a busy year and been working non-stop since A2K so that's fine so far and in the end they're a western group. Katseye was silent for half a year before debut apart from a few TH-cam videos. It's unfortunate but I think they're prepping for a physical album, after Katseye so they don't get directly compared (VCHA is great imo but their own fans don't like their music and the whole "they need to be more mature" notion feels misogynistic to me). Maybe they do wanna rework their sound but I hope they keep their Disney pop bc if not they're gonna be in direct competition to Katseye and the members are too young for a cool sound. Anyway I think we'll hear more in a few weeks, Savannah's sister tweeting that Savannah is not with her and other friends saying they are working again. Maybe even Kaylee. More importantly JYPE just registered trademarks for VCHA products which makes fans speculate that they'll bring out merch or an album.
They said there’s no song over 2:40 in the ep…….there are literally versions of both touch and debut with extra AI added lyrics that really put the producers to shame. And it’s not like they don’t see the comments complaining about the length either. The album is gonna be full of incomplete masterpieces
After the success of Fifty Fifty I can't name a Kpop group not making music for TikTok - and even the ones who don't explicitly do so always seem to have a "pushed" bside track targeting that demographic (Think Aespa Armageddon+Supernova or Lesserrafim Unforgiven+Eve). I can't say I'm surprised as even western labels have been openly called out by their artists for not letting them release projects unless they have a single/pre-release perform good numbers on TikTok.
supernova is a title track tho! + i dont think that it is one of those tracks that are specifically made to be “easy-listening, digestable, tiktok music..” BUT i still agree that sm is pushing aespa’s bsides for that kind of sound. Their past 4 releases have not been cohesive in the sense that in the first few tracks you’ll hear aespa’s signature sound but then the next tracks will immediately take away from that sound and have a more “digestable” kind of style if that makes sense. Think Armageddon: from supernova the 1st track up to the 5th track licorice, aespa’s sound is very prominent but the next tracks after that completely steer away from it. It’s just sooo frustrating to me because from their debut up to their first EP savage, they have successfully established their own hyperpop/electronic music sound which in my own opinion haven’t been much explored in kpop except for maybe f(x) and billlie. It’s not like people disliked it anyway, next level and savage were hits in korea and earned them so much achievements just for them to feed into what’s popular nowadays..
@@lxncexzs As far as I remember supernova was the pre-release title track and Armageddon the comeback title track but I could be wrong. (i never count pre-releases as actual title tracks so that's on me) The: 사건은 다가와, ah-oh, ayy 거세게 커져가, ah-oh, ayy 질문은 계속돼, ah-oh, ayy 우린 어디서 왔나, oh, ayy 사건은 다가와, ah-oh, ayy 거세게 커져가, ah-oh, ayy Tell me, tell me, tell me, oh, ayy 우린 어디서 왔나, oh, ayy, 우린 어디서 왔나, oh, ayy part combined with the meme-able dance break choreo + Ai only lips moving faces that they used during the MV were defiantly made to get stuck in your head and play over and over and over.
aespa does not make music pushes for the TikTok audience i fear maybe some parts of supernova but aespa is purely kpop perfection as it is. lsrfm i do think is and with them being from hybe it makes sense
@soraya131 Being kpop perfection has everything to do with a group making music/choreo/visuals intended to be catchy, go viral, and trend. I would even go as far as to say that kpop perfection is to do exactly that while maintaining the core identity of the group.
Your videos always make me appreciate the lore behind the music much more and as a result the music as well. Like the past, present and future concept for katseye makes me look a debut & touch completely differently and excites for their future work.🙂
the only issue i have is that the different music styles of the hybe girl groups are becoming less and less distinct. i know bang pd is connected to the production of le sserafim, illit, katseye, and even fromis... so idk what he's thinking. i thought katseye were going to do more rnb pop songs like the girl group flo
tbh an rnb style would definitely differentiate them from the kpop world, but it wouldn't so much on the american end as u mentioned that's flo's style and classic for american groups. so it's kind of interesting, as this tiktok sound is unique for american girl groups but not for korean groups, so either way they're both doing something different and something not different at all 😭😭
@@mayuhmetal with the music that the main pop girls are making right now, i still think rnb would set them apart. the main pop girls rn are ariana grande, t.s., sabrina carpenter, chappell roan, billie eilish, charlie xcx, tyla, dua lipa, tinashe, and tate mcrae. flo aren't mainstream yet so they could've gotten ahead of the race with a huge company like hybe behind them.
@@jjongssaeng they should be like Flo, making vocal focused songs that sound heavenly but adding choreo to it (yes, even "western-type" choreo. It's just more groovy compared to kpop which focuses on sharp movements and precision. I'm not sure if the west will be very interested in kpop choreo the same way that actual groovy hip hop is loved over here.)
@@mahdireza5695 As an american, we don't mind choreo that's precise as long as it doesn't get in the way of the vocals. We loveeee it when artists can do both
I genuinely think "international" k-pop groups that sing exclusively in English (or in a language that isn't Korean/Japanese) are bound to fail. I'm willing to bet lots of people only like K-Pop because they don't understand the lyrics, and why so many of these English K-Pop songs sound "cringe" or "Disney." I'm sure people would say the same about ITZY songs if they could understand the lyrics...
But, groups like XG are doing pretty well. They only sing in English. You just have to market really well, and have good ass music in order for it to work. It can’t be generic at all music or it will flop
I mean western girl groups can sing songs that aren't really cringe and flow better and more naturally. The problem with how some global groups are run under kpop agencies is that they make the lyrics sound like English translations of Korean lyrics, and it sounds SO CHEESY. That's the problem here.
@@shine199723 as successful as they are today, i still think OP’s comment is valid. XG’s main criticism to this day is that their lyrics are very cringey and uses a lot of AAVE… inappropriately..
2:56 i really have a gripe with that tweet cause what do they even mean by western media circuit? being an opener for a no name concert? going on MTV or to random radio shows that nobody tunes into unless they care about the artist. Katseye are already better off than the few western girlgroups struggling right now because they are able to promote like a kpop group to kpop and global audiences. hell, would they even be invited on GMA tomorrow if they weren't a hybe/geffen group? they'll be getting more exposure in the west by being promoted like le sserafim or txt than they would if they were like boysworld or some other western group that has to resort to making youtube covers and going on hiatus.
i was saying the same thing a couple days ago. the best option for them is to first build an international kpop audience then afterwards they can market to non-kpop fans. im really excited for how their debut album is gonna be because there really isnt any good nonkpop ggs these days other than flo and boygenius😢
I don't get why people are upset at this song and its lyrics, honestly, what's wrong with following trends and writing simple lyrics? As a songwriter, maybe I wouldn't write this way personally, but it sounds good and it's doing fairly well. Hating is actually so silly when you think about it hmm
But I heard that when you market a global girl group in korea, they barely accept them because they most likely stan or prefer pure asian girl/boy groups. I think their best move would just to appeal on the western market. Generic pop or RnB is the name of the game. Missed those TLC, Destiny's Child, Spice Girls era.
thats an interesting point. I think that the western labels supporting groups like katseye and vcha wanted them to have western kpop stans' support to start because honestly no groups are really that popular in the US like how it was in the 2000s/2010s. my only thing is I'm not sure how they'll be able to expand beyond it bc right now kpop is still quite niche in the west and besides tiktok there's not really a clear way to appeal to the US as a group. Also touch is a good step forward but I think their songs being so extremely short is hurting them. they should really be over 2:30 at least so they feel more complete (preferrably also have a bridge), bc looking at the US spotify top 200 most it averages closer to 3 min per song. plus the bridges are what go viral on tiktok sometimes (like "good luck babe" 's bridge)
I don’t feel super strongly about either debut or touch, but I think they’re both good! I do have beef w 2 mins or less becoming the norm in pop music, but that’s just a general thing that katseye will likely fall into
I like the aesthetics and vibe of touch so much more than debut, I love the production it reminds me of NewJeans or even pink pantheress. This soft, futuristic, and feminine feel I really like. I don’t love the lyrics but it’s had some nice moments, I hope they push more in this direction in the future. Sidenote: for I’d like to see global groups actually speak in more languages than English even for just sections of the songs
yes! touch, though lyrically simple like debut, is much stronger because of the narrative. katseye, i feel, is leading the charge with the west and i’m curious to see how their reception would be like to the western gp. hybe has katseye jyp has vcha sm has dear alice i need western girl/boy groups to thrive again.
God Bless Kpop, with writing like that, its like Shakespeare never left (In truth he's been trapped in SM's Writing Camps pumping out songwriters by reverse frankensteining, I know because Belle from KIOF has his ears trust me) In all seriousness, outside of short run-time, it was a genuinely good song imo. The written word can have as much or as little depth as wanted and in the end, it kind of shows how some listeners can be out of touch (Ha) with a song passing it off as "Tiktok noise." I love a good Taylor Swift Lyricism moment that takes four thesauruses, a month of brainstorming, a fluency in latin, and utilizes every form of figurative language to say "I went to the store for a bag of bread." But sometimes I am also perfectly fine with a song telling me almost verbatim, "Yeah I was into you, but you're a bit too late." Great video, better start making a dollar jar labelled, "I sarcastically referenced shakespeare" with how much he has been talked about. God I love the old men of Kpop, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, William Shakespeare, and Karl Marx (forget Maximalism in Kpop amirite). JYP Would fit right into this Boy group tbh.
you’re like one of the only kpop youtube channels who uploads multiple times a week ALWAYS having something now to add to the conversation. im still surprised that you write scripts so often and eloquently. 😅
i’ve always wondered why girl groups (and boy groups) were so popular even as recently as one direction, but they fell off so sharply and suddenly in the west…i do hope that katseye and other kpop influenced girl groups can help bring that part of the US market back, and without the trauma of roach infested dorms and long trainee hours!
It’s because kpop and pop in the west are different… kpop is more dance based and west is more vocal base. Watch flo sing there song “missing you” live then watch xg do a cover of “ missing you”…not saying one is better then the other but you will see the difference. Just like if you see xg live performance vs a flo live performance xg is going to out dance flo. The west is 80% vocals 50% dance kpop is like 30% vocal 90% dance.
I’m someone in their 30’s whose been on the outskirts of kpop since my roommate introduced me to Girls Generation, Big Bang, and Hyuna (please forgive me if I’m writing out these names incorrectly). I’ve never fully deep dived into any specific groups or artists in the past twelve years. Occasionally, I’d add individual songs into my Spotify kpop playlist as if I was walking down a grocery aisle. Occasionally, I found myself curious as to a specific group (Red Velvet, LOONA, NewJeans) for one reason or another but discovered I just couldn’t fully get into them for whatever reason because that changing concepts or shifts in sound. I also, had no desire to associate myself in kpop fan group despite having several wonderful friends who are very much so. I just didn’t want to get into the highly volatile mentality I see online (and still don’t). It’s been 48 hours since I discovered katseye for myself and I’ve never been so invested in a group. Maybe for it’s all english lyrics (though I wouldn’t have minded Korean in songs like Touch, I think it would have added to it) or the y2k-adjacent aesthetics. Regardless, I am absolutely enamored by the talent of these girls and have gone so far as to purchase their album and some of their merch to show support. I go so far as to call myself an eyekon which is a lot for me. Some may not think of them as a kpop group, and I do recognize that they are and probably will always be in the production and fandom spaces as a global group. To me and probably a lot of people not super into kpop, they are the closest thing to it. I’m already going back and trying to appreciate groups and get into them outside of their individual songs. This is so much longer than I wanted it to be but I really appreciate the time you’ve taken to discuss katseye and since finding your channel yesterday I’ve been enjoying learning more about kpop as a whole and in its minutiae. I’m finding out where I fit as a kpop fan and your commentary and katseye are paving the way.
I think they are trying to find a balance between what the West would like and would work in Korea too (though I think they should mainly focus on west). The new song-My way. has a Miley Cyrus "party in the USA" Vibe musically.
the whole shakespeare bit was so awkward lmfao had me cackling. and ur vision for the first title track is rlly good, i hope they rlly get a solid like unique sound,, and it better be a 3 min song bc hybexgeffen is being stingyyy. i still cant bring myself to listen to their music outside of commentary tho. they should ditch scooter braun but unfortunately i dont think that'll had anytime soon... hybe loves their messy higher ups
This is my opinion on the song: I don't like the lyrics, I don't dislike them either. They sound a little like AI lyrics to me, but that doesn't mean they're BAD. If they were the exact same but in Korean I wouldn't care, so why care now? It's a catchy song, maybe not my style, but it's comprehensible and sounds nice. Will I listen to it? Probably not. Do I accept that it's a decent song? Of course, because it is. Also, you have changed the entire way I look at lyrics honestly 😭😭thank you for these videos :>
@@Analou13 They’ve been described as both an international group and a global group, but some kpop groups are also given those titles. I think Katseye is just doing their own thing right now and testing out the different markets with each release, which I think is a pretty smart thing to do given their label’s connection to the kpop industry
I like them but for the love of all, make the songs longer. I find it so difficult to keep any interest in their music when I get sick of listening to their song two times faster than other songs.
touch i listened just to see, so it being an actual BOP was a pleasant surprise after me not liking debut for being as short as a ringtone. so i'm rooting for them. (in other news, BLACKSWAN DID A COMEBACK CHOU WE'RE WINNING. furthermore, WHERE ARE MY GIRLS VCHA?? dropped from lalapalooza, WHERE DID THEY GOOOOO. finally, will we ever see a global boy group? like im loving the girls serving cvnt but i feel like SM should've introduced another NCT subunit by now with a black dude (in my delulu verse its me) (and i mean another subunit BESIDES NCT WISH)) furthermore, saying songs are "just a tiktok song" doesn't work unless it's like, lazily done. for example, not to be mean, but salem ilese's songs like PS5 are lazily pandering. the song isn't criminally bad, but it being popular is mostly tied to the pop culture reference of the PS5. touch is not making unabashed pop culture references, and is clearly part of the "past, present, possibilities" narrative katseye seems to be going for, which means it doing well on tiktok isn't tied to it pandering, it ties to touch being an earworm of a fucking good song with catchy lyrics, great vocals, fun dancing, and an enjoyable music video. it's like ILLIT's magnetic or moonlight sunrise in that the song is an earworm with a "charlie d'amelio would be (failing to) slay the boots house down to this choreo" energy. and also tiktok has weird tastes. like example, million dollar baby. love the song, it doesn't fit any of the "pandering to them gen alphas on the clock app" requirements besides being an earworm and being memorable. so honestly "just a tiktok song" doesn't really mean anything when for all we know tomorrow tiktokers could make a bach symphony the biggest song to shake dat ass to
I think what's really interesting after your Debut lyricism critique came out is a spotlight on PPop, where groups like BINI have a song about Generalized Anxiety Disorder (Karera/race), and SB19 has a song about carrying the burden on behalf of your parents (MAPA -- means map, but also Mom/Dad), and Alamat has a song about ... *checks notes* three centuries of colonization in the Philippines (Dagundong / rumble) . And what's really interesting is that they couldn't survive bad lyrics because their home-genre is a songwriter-first culture. So when BINI debuted with Born To Win, nobody paid attention no matter how talented they were. It wouldn't be until I Feel Good when their lyrics actually made sense and had an emotional core that they begin to gain recognition.
I dont get what lyric expectation do people have on pop / kpop? is catchy, fun, say some relatable feelings? it's just good enought. Simple overepetition to be catchy is a easy way out looks "lazy" yeah but can effective. I didnt expect to like XG's something aint right due the overrepetitive nature too, but the melody, for me, was way catchyer and the character moments more meanifull.
I like everything about the song except for Daniela's part. It's like they (the writers) didn't have any part for her in the song, it felt out of place. It was cringy, I mostly enjoy the pre-chorus.
If you ask me, THIS should’ve been the debut, and not ‘Debut’. For one, I can actually tell their voice’s apart, it’s slightly longer (barely) and it’s WAY catchier. This soft, feminine vibe fits them way better
Aren't they both pre releases for the actual debut later this month?
No honey debut should be the first to released followed by touch look how successful touch is although debut too was a success very upbeat type music ❤🎉🎉
@@ikeeneyepeople are now tuning in to them🎉🎉
debut was the perfect debut for them lol
@@ikeeneye no…they are a global group…outside of Korea in the real world most musical acts drops one or 2 singles before dropping the single tied to the album with all three songs in it. You guys took one lyric out of a nonsensical song to cope with the shortness of the songs and tired to apply kpop logic to group that isn’t kpop. One of the biggest kpop gaslights of 2024
honestly touch is a great song hut hybe making there songs so short is gonna be a issue
Yea, I was hoping they'd have a bridge that would have me floating, but I guess it's just too short for that
Personally I think it would’ve become repetitive if it lasted longer. But theres a somewhat longer song on the ep.
@@User-gftfbiu3454 all the songs on the ep was 2 minutes long with a couple seconds though
I have a friend who hates K-pop and would never listen to it and she heard Touch on TikTok and now she’s obsessed with them and has learned all the members name,birthday and where they’re from she even has a bias😭
Woohoo!!!
Do they hate K-pop or just hate Asians then?
@@everythingsfinett3903 I said K-pop why would she hate Asians?
@@everythingsfinett3903 ngl this is a STRETCH. 💀 How did you even think this far?
@@mahdireza5695 Yeah! Touch and debut was a really good start
You upload much much much much. We are in love love love 🤣🤣
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Lmfao at the Shakespeare jokes. Twitter will never let you sleep.
Short songs are very common amongst western girl groups currently so I’m not surprised KASTEYE went this route. Also anyone questioning why they performed at KCON or made TikTok’s with idol groups needs to start thinking logically 😂 Promotional activities in the western market are far and few between. Most promotional activity to western artists are tours and festivals none of which a newly debuted girl group can or should participate in… K-Pop has a new promotional event/concert every week in which the artists perform usually 1 to 3 songs. The benefit of being signed to a K-pop label is that you can become a K-pop adjacent artist which will ultimately prove valuable due to how much you can promote and the community involved. NewJeans is the biggest girl group to debut this decade largely due to how good their music is and the community K-pop has garnered. Imagine if they were signed to a US label and had global promotions they’d be unstoppable. Bring in KATSEYE a global girl group who is tied to both a US label and K-Pop label. They can do what most K-pop groups fail to do which is have proper western as well as Asian promotions. They get the K-Pop benefits without being tagged with the label. Ultimately I think KATSEYE will be very big and I’m excited to see them soar and grow.
This explained it so well. The way groups are promoted in the US in wayy different from how they're promoted in kpop, and right now katseye basically has the best of both worlds. If they're able to cement themselves in the kpop scene, and the US they might be able to get as big as little mix or even fifth harmony when they were in their prime
This explained it so well. The way groups are promoted in the US in wayy different from how they're promoted in kpop, and right now katseye basically has the best of both worlds. If they're able to cement themselves in the kpop scene, and the US they might be able to get as big as little mix or even fifth harmony when they were in their prime
I think you shouldn't overexplain shakespeare joke like just dgaf. If someone gets mad then thats it, their problem they can't take a joke 💁♀️
Kcon LA is still a better promo than Korean music shows (I'm talking about pre debut vcha). Because it is still kpop community in west. That's their target audience at first. Then they aim to grow to general music listeners there. I think this is what they intend to be
I mean VCHA's debut stage got a lot of attention though and their numbers up until this point are better than Katseye. Although Katseye is more "cool" (not like the other girls if you will), has the Hybe pull and not that many minors. Maybe they did wait too long after DA.
I'm still waiting for VCHA to come back but imo they could benefit from these events too or again maybe even promote on music shows. They can also show their live singing much better. Especially JYPE groups have proven to be successful in other countries like NiziU or Twice Misamo. And Kaylee, 13 or not, was the golden maknae. Not that I like it but she could've been like Seoweon from UNIS. But with her being on hiatus anyway, Lollapalooza canceled and no news, let's just see if JYPE has any plans for them😂
@@moongirl8807 yeah, they were more successful from what we have seen so far. But Kaylee is still in hiatus right? Their absence is scaring me. Did jype give up on them? They were quick with their first comeback. But they are silent for long.
@@nonamenosurname6127 There is too much money invested in VCHA especially from Republic Records. The girls are probably training more ..who knows but the only way to ensure JYP supports these girls if we, the fans, keep streaming the music, watch the videos, content, and buy merchandise.
@nonamenosurname6127 they did post on Savannah's birthday last week and I'm not too worried after that. Obviously it's impossible to speculate what happened, some people have more reasonable ideas like that they weren't ready for Lolla or just on a summer break but we'll never know. They did have a busy year and been working non-stop since A2K so that's fine so far and in the end they're a western group. Katseye was silent for half a year before debut apart from a few TH-cam videos. It's unfortunate but I think they're prepping for a physical album, after Katseye so they don't get directly compared (VCHA is great imo but their own fans don't like their music and the whole "they need to be more mature" notion feels misogynistic to me). Maybe they do wanna rework their sound but I hope they keep their Disney pop bc if not they're gonna be in direct competition to Katseye and the members are too young for a cool sound.
Anyway I think we'll hear more in a few weeks, Savannah's sister tweeting that Savannah is not with her and other friends saying they are working again. Maybe even Kaylee. More importantly JYPE just registered trademarks for VCHA products which makes fans speculate that they'll bring out merch or an album.
@@moongirl8807 Wow that's a lot of information. Thanks for optimism and hope
its so refreshing to see so much positivity from a kpop channel
I really hope tho that there new stuff is longer
like why is it 2 minutes bro😭
They said there’s no song over 2:40 in the ep…….there are literally versions of both touch and debut with extra AI added lyrics that really put the producers to shame. And it’s not like they don’t see the comments complaining about the length either. The album is gonna be full of incomplete masterpieces
@@scro910 oh dear... Even if it flops, I don't care. I'll just keep praying for my KATSEYE girlies to get given justice for their talents. 😭
Not you having to defend a cute harmless joke from people on Twitter who will say you were offensive to a man long dead 😭
Touch sounds like a pink pantheress song
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
For real
yup. this.
@@22mshanguibc they have the same producer
EXACTLY??? NO WONDER IT SOUNDED FAMILIAR
I just wish it had a bridge, because thí song is SO GOOD! It needs to be longer cuz I cant keep repeating 2 minutes
After the success of Fifty Fifty I can't name a Kpop group not making music for TikTok - and even the ones who don't explicitly do so always seem to have a "pushed" bside track targeting that demographic (Think Aespa Armageddon+Supernova or Lesserrafim Unforgiven+Eve). I can't say I'm surprised as even western labels have been openly called out by their artists for not letting them release projects unless they have a single/pre-release perform good numbers on TikTok.
supernova is a title track tho! + i dont think that it is one of those tracks that are specifically made to be “easy-listening, digestable, tiktok music..”
BUT i still agree that sm is pushing aespa’s bsides for that kind of sound. Their past 4 releases have not been cohesive in the sense that in the first few tracks you’ll hear aespa’s signature sound but then the next tracks will immediately take away from that sound and have a more “digestable” kind of style if that makes sense. Think Armageddon: from supernova the 1st track up to the 5th track licorice, aespa’s sound is very prominent but the next tracks after that completely steer away from it. It’s just sooo frustrating to me because from their debut up to their first EP savage, they have successfully established their own hyperpop/electronic music sound which in my own opinion haven’t been much explored in kpop except for maybe f(x) and billlie. It’s not like people disliked it anyway, next level and savage were hits in korea and earned them so much achievements just for them to feed into what’s popular nowadays..
@@lxncexzs BILLLIE MENTION!!!
@@lxncexzs As far as I remember supernova was the pre-release title track and Armageddon the comeback title track but I could be wrong. (i never count pre-releases as actual title tracks so that's on me)
The:
사건은 다가와, ah-oh, ayy
거세게 커져가, ah-oh, ayy
질문은 계속돼, ah-oh, ayy
우린 어디서 왔나, oh, ayy
사건은 다가와, ah-oh, ayy
거세게 커져가, ah-oh, ayy
Tell me, tell me, tell me, oh, ayy
우린 어디서 왔나, oh, ayy, 우린 어디서 왔나, oh, ayy
part combined with the meme-able dance break choreo + Ai only lips moving faces that they used during the MV were defiantly made to get stuck in your head and play over and over and over.
aespa does not make music pushes for the TikTok audience i fear maybe some parts of supernova but aespa is purely kpop perfection as it is. lsrfm i do think is and with them being from hybe it makes sense
@soraya131 Being kpop perfection has everything to do with a group making music/choreo/visuals intended to be catchy, go viral, and trend. I would even go as far as to say that kpop perfection is to do exactly that while maintaining the core identity of the group.
Your videos always make me appreciate the lore behind the music much more and as a result the music as well. Like the past, present and future concept for katseye makes me look a debut & touch completely differently and excites for their future work.🙂
the only issue i have is that the different music styles of the hybe girl groups are becoming less and less distinct. i know bang pd is connected to the production of le sserafim, illit, katseye, and even fromis... so idk what he's thinking. i thought katseye were going to do more rnb pop songs like the girl group flo
tbh an rnb style would definitely differentiate them from the kpop world, but it wouldn't so much on the american end as u mentioned that's flo's style and classic for american groups. so it's kind of interesting, as this tiktok sound is unique for american girl groups but not for korean groups, so either way they're both doing something different and something not different at all 😭😭
@@mayuhmetal with the music that the main pop girls are making right now, i still think rnb would set them apart. the main pop girls rn are ariana grande, t.s., sabrina carpenter, chappell roan, billie eilish, charlie xcx, tyla, dua lipa, tinashe, and tate mcrae. flo aren't mainstream yet so they could've gotten ahead of the race with a huge company like hybe behind them.
@@jjongssaeng they should be like Flo, making vocal focused songs that sound heavenly but adding choreo to it (yes, even "western-type" choreo. It's just more groovy compared to kpop which focuses on sharp movements and precision. I'm not sure if the west will be very interested in kpop choreo the same way that actual groovy hip hop is loved over here.)
@@mahdireza5695 As an american, we don't mind choreo that's precise as long as it doesn't get in the way of the vocals. We loveeee it when artists can do both
I genuinely think "international" k-pop groups that sing exclusively in English (or in a language that isn't Korean/Japanese) are bound to fail. I'm willing to bet lots of people only like K-Pop because they don't understand the lyrics, and why so many of these English K-Pop songs sound "cringe" or "Disney." I'm sure people would say the same about ITZY songs if they could understand the lyrics...
But, groups like XG are doing pretty well. They only sing in English. You just have to market really well, and have good ass music in order for it to work. It can’t be generic at all music or it will flop
I mean western girl groups can sing songs that aren't really cringe and flow better and more naturally. The problem with how some global groups are run under kpop agencies is that they make the lyrics sound like English translations of Korean lyrics, and it sounds SO CHEESY. That's the problem here.
@@shine199723XG is VERY popular and I believe they've even got lots of attention from the states now.
@@shine199723 as successful as they are today, i still think OP’s comment is valid. XG’s main criticism to this day is that their lyrics are very cringey and uses a lot of AAVE… inappropriately..
This is where Blackswan excels
2:56 i really have a gripe with that tweet cause what do they even mean by western media circuit? being an opener for a no name concert? going on MTV or to random radio shows that nobody tunes into unless they care about the artist. Katseye are already better off than the few western girlgroups struggling right now because they are able to promote like a kpop group to kpop and global audiences. hell, would they even be invited on GMA tomorrow if they weren't a hybe/geffen group? they'll be getting more exposure in the west by being promoted like le sserafim or txt than they would if they were like boysworld or some other western group that has to resort to making youtube covers and going on hiatus.
RIGHTT?
i was saying the same thing a couple days ago. the best option for them is to first build an international kpop audience then afterwards they can market to non-kpop fans. im really excited for how their debut album is gonna be because there really isnt any good nonkpop ggs these days other than flo and boygenius😢
This song got me listening to Touch by Anda again because of the touch choreography and lyric is so catchy.
Anda ❤ I really wish she dropped new music again (and not whatever she did at blacklabel)
I don't get why people are upset at this song and its lyrics, honestly, what's wrong with following trends and writing simple lyrics? As a songwriter, maybe I wouldn't write this way personally, but it sounds good and it's doing fairly well. Hating is actually so silly when you think about it hmm
But I heard that when you market a global girl group in korea, they barely accept them because they most likely stan or prefer pure asian girl/boy groups. I think their best move would just to appeal on the western market. Generic pop or RnB is the name of the game. Missed those TLC, Destiny's Child, Spice Girls era.
thats an interesting point. I think that the western labels supporting groups like katseye and vcha wanted them to have western kpop stans' support to start because honestly no groups are really that popular in the US like how it was in the 2000s/2010s. my only thing is I'm not sure how they'll be able to expand beyond it bc right now kpop is still quite niche in the west and besides tiktok there's not really a clear way to appeal to the US as a group.
Also touch is a good step forward but I think their songs being so extremely short is hurting them. they should really be over 2:30 at least so they feel more complete (preferrably also have a bridge), bc looking at the US spotify top 200 most it averages closer to 3 min per song. plus the bridges are what go viral on tiktok sometimes (like "good luck babe" 's bridge)
I REALLY LIKE THEMMMM!!!!! They're also so charming and I hope their careers skyrocket! 🎉
Debut was a kick in the door song. Let the beat do the work to get some attention and once they got in the door, Touch showcased what they can do.
I don’t feel super strongly about either debut or touch, but I think they’re both good! I do have beef w 2 mins or less becoming the norm in pop music, but that’s just a general thing that katseye will likely fall into
I like the aesthetics and vibe of touch so much more than debut, I love the production it reminds me of NewJeans or even pink pantheress. This soft, futuristic, and feminine feel I really like. I don’t love the lyrics but it’s had some nice moments, I hope they push more in this direction in the future. Sidenote: for I’d like to see global groups actually speak in more languages than English even for just sections of the songs
touch's dance is so simple and easy to memorize
i dance to it everyday!
yes! touch, though lyrically simple like debut, is much stronger because of the narrative. katseye, i feel, is leading the charge with the west and i’m curious to see how their reception would be like to the western gp.
hybe has katseye
jyp has vcha
sm has dear alice
i need western girl/boy groups to thrive again.
God Bless Kpop, with writing like that, its like Shakespeare never left (In truth he's been trapped in SM's Writing Camps pumping out songwriters by reverse frankensteining, I know because Belle from KIOF has his ears trust me)
In all seriousness, outside of short run-time, it was a genuinely good song imo. The written word can have as much or as little depth as wanted and in the end, it kind of shows how some listeners can be out of touch (Ha) with a song passing it off as "Tiktok noise."
I love a good Taylor Swift Lyricism moment that takes four thesauruses, a month of brainstorming, a fluency in latin, and utilizes every form of figurative language to say "I went to the store for a bag of bread." But sometimes I am also perfectly fine with a song telling me almost verbatim, "Yeah I was into you, but you're a bit too late."
Great video, better start making a dollar jar labelled, "I sarcastically referenced shakespeare" with how much he has been talked about.
God I love the old men of Kpop, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, William Shakespeare, and Karl Marx (forget Maximalism in Kpop amirite). JYP Would fit right into this Boy group tbh.
you’re like one of the only kpop youtube channels who uploads multiple times a week ALWAYS having something now to add to the conversation. im still surprised that you write scripts so often and eloquently. 😅
i’ve always wondered why girl groups (and boy groups) were so popular even as recently as one direction, but they fell off so sharply and suddenly in the west…i do hope that katseye and other kpop influenced girl groups can help bring that part of the US market back, and without the trauma of roach infested dorms and long trainee hours!
It’s because kpop and pop in the west are different… kpop is more dance based and west is more vocal base. Watch flo sing there song “missing you” live then watch xg do a cover of “ missing you”…not saying one is better then the other but you will see the difference. Just like if you see xg live performance vs a flo live performance xg is going to out dance flo. The west is 80% vocals 50% dance kpop is like 30% vocal 90% dance.
Ooh, not you having to fight for your life over a Shakespeare joke lol
I’m crying he’s so funny
I want to see them win too
Touch was such a great second single for Katseye just wish they'd give them longer songs
that long pause 😆
I’m someone in their 30’s whose been on the outskirts of kpop since my roommate introduced me to Girls Generation, Big Bang, and Hyuna (please forgive me if I’m writing out these names incorrectly). I’ve never fully deep dived into any specific groups or artists in the past twelve years. Occasionally, I’d add individual songs into my Spotify kpop playlist as if I was walking down a grocery aisle. Occasionally, I found myself curious as to a specific group (Red Velvet, LOONA, NewJeans) for one reason or another but discovered I just couldn’t fully get into them for whatever reason because that changing concepts or shifts in sound. I also, had no desire to associate myself in kpop fan group despite having several wonderful friends who are very much so. I just didn’t want to get into the highly volatile mentality I see online (and still don’t).
It’s been 48 hours since I discovered katseye for myself and I’ve never been so invested in a group. Maybe for it’s all english lyrics (though I wouldn’t have minded Korean in songs like Touch, I think it would have added to it) or the y2k-adjacent aesthetics. Regardless, I am absolutely enamored by the talent of these girls and have gone so far as to purchase their album and some of their merch to show support. I go so far as to call myself an eyekon which is a lot for me.
Some may not think of them as a kpop group, and I do recognize that they are and probably will always be in the production and fandom spaces as a global group. To me and probably a lot of people not super into kpop, they are the closest thing to it. I’m already going back and trying to appreciate groups and get into them outside of their individual songs.
This is so much longer than I wanted it to be but I really appreciate the time you’ve taken to discuss katseye and since finding your channel yesterday I’ve been enjoying learning more about kpop as a whole and in its minutiae. I’m finding out where I fit as a kpop fan and your commentary and katseye are paving the way.
idk know if you've ever made a video about BLACKSWAN, but i would love to hear your take on their new ep
What is the background song for his video? it's oddly nostalgic
It’s the “Editing a Mii” soundtrack from the Wii U th-cam.com/video/oTu4WcpB9Iw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UAhJDao2GSfll1YF
u make the best videos
Actual good takes.
The song are nice buy i was really hoping for a different sound. Im over the pink pantress-esche songs
I think they are trying to find a balance between what the West would like and would work in Korea too (though I think they should mainly focus on west). The new song-My way. has a Miley Cyrus "party in the USA" Vibe musically.
the whole shakespeare bit was so awkward lmfao had me cackling. and ur vision for the first title track is rlly good, i hope they rlly get a solid like unique sound,, and it better be a 3 min song bc hybexgeffen is being stingyyy.
i still cant bring myself to listen to their music outside of commentary tho. they should ditch scooter braun but unfortunately i dont think that'll had anytime soon... hybe loves their messy higher ups
This is my opinion on the song: I don't like the lyrics, I don't dislike them either. They sound a little like AI lyrics to me, but that doesn't mean they're BAD. If they were the exact same but in Korean I wouldn't care, so why care now? It's a catchy song, maybe not my style, but it's comprehensible and sounds nice. Will I listen to it? Probably not. Do I accept that it's a decent song? Of course, because it is. Also, you have changed the entire way I look at lyrics honestly 😭😭thank you for these videos :>
may I sugest for you to showcase some more complex / interesthing lyrics in kpop / pop that you like? who are todays pop shakespear?
Wait im still confused are they a kpop group or a regular international girl group?
They are a international group
@@Analou13 They’ve been described as both an international group and a global group, but some kpop groups are also given those titles. I think Katseye is just doing their own thing right now and testing out the different markets with each release, which I think is a pretty smart thing to do given their label’s connection to the kpop industry
@@choujimiokay cause at first i was sure they were global but then they performed at K-con so I was really confused thanks that makes sense!😅
I guess that they are playing in both territories. wont be suprised if they ever when to a korean tv show or an us music festival.
girl we don’t gaf about that damn shakeasspeare bfr
I think Hybe and Geffen could be doing more to promote them and I don’t think starting off without a distinct sound isn’t a good idea.
I like them but for the love of all, make the songs longer. I find it so difficult to keep any interest in their music when I get sick of listening to their song two times faster than other songs.
“welcome back shakespeare” watch there be four more random hate tweets about you tomorrow 😭💀
touch i listened just to see, so it being an actual BOP was a pleasant surprise after me not liking debut for being as short as a ringtone. so i'm rooting for them. (in other news, BLACKSWAN DID A COMEBACK CHOU WE'RE WINNING. furthermore, WHERE ARE MY GIRLS VCHA?? dropped from lalapalooza, WHERE DID THEY GOOOOO. finally, will we ever see a global boy group? like im loving the girls serving cvnt but i feel like SM should've introduced another NCT subunit by now with a black dude (in my delulu verse its me) (and i mean another subunit BESIDES NCT WISH))
furthermore, saying songs are "just a tiktok song" doesn't work unless it's like, lazily done. for example, not to be mean, but salem ilese's songs like PS5 are lazily pandering. the song isn't criminally bad, but it being popular is mostly tied to the pop culture reference of the PS5. touch is not making unabashed pop culture references, and is clearly part of the "past, present, possibilities" narrative katseye seems to be going for, which means it doing well on tiktok isn't tied to it pandering, it ties to touch being an earworm of a fucking good song with catchy lyrics, great vocals, fun dancing, and an enjoyable music video. it's like ILLIT's magnetic or moonlight sunrise in that the song is an earworm with a "charlie d'amelio would be (failing to) slay the boots house down to this choreo" energy.
and also tiktok has weird tastes. like example, million dollar baby. love the song, it doesn't fit any of the "pandering to them gen alphas on the clock app" requirements besides being an earworm and being memorable. so honestly "just a tiktok song" doesn't really mean anything when for all we know tomorrow tiktokers could make a bach symphony the biggest song to shake dat ass to
help i thought this was a self-help video
The way that I think about it is like, Debut is similar to UNIS Dream of Girls. And Touch is their UNIS Superwoman/Dopamine. And it's okay.
I think what's really interesting after your Debut lyricism critique came out is a spotlight on PPop, where groups like BINI have a song about Generalized Anxiety Disorder (Karera/race), and SB19 has a song about carrying the burden on behalf of your parents (MAPA -- means map, but also Mom/Dad), and Alamat has a song about ... *checks notes* three centuries of colonization in the Philippines (Dagundong / rumble) .
And what's really interesting is that they couldn't survive bad lyrics because their home-genre is a songwriter-first culture. So when BINI debuted with Born To Win, nobody paid attention no matter how talented they were. It wouldn't be until I Feel Good when their lyrics actually made sense and had an emotional core that they begin to gain recognition.
Not the overexplaining the Shakespeare meme AGAIN😫😫😫 u can’t even make a joke on ktube in peace
I dont get what lyric expectation do people have on pop / kpop? is catchy, fun, say some relatable feelings? it's just good enought. Simple overepetition to be catchy is a easy way out looks "lazy" yeah but can effective.
I didnt expect to like XG's something aint right due the overrepetitive nature too, but the melody, for me, was way catchyer and the character moments more meanifull.
What they need is a better, far less bland song. Marketing this to anyone doesn't matter if it's this mediocre.
can you make a video about the VCHA disbandment rumors? i’m so confused 😂😂
arent they just on a hiatus
Im ded at shakespeare stans 💀
I like everything about the song except for Daniela's part. It's like they (the writers) didn't have any part for her in the song, it felt out of place. It was cringy, I mostly enjoy the pre-chorus.
shakespeare flopped
REAL!
As a Shakespeare stan, I very not much appreciate the joke...
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Please don’t explain jokes
choujimi are you gay?? just asking lol :)
well... ain't it obvious LMAO