the source of the problem is for sure the lack of empathy. i’ve been on kpop twitter for a few months now and some of the things i’ve seen being said about idols and to the fans defending them are genuinely disgusting. they don’t see others as real people with real feelings anymore and care more about the two seconds of fame they get for bullying others online.
this! the power trip people get from their hate being supported by thousands only leads to more of this happening… it’s a vicious hate cycle that ends up targeting anyone and everyone. it’s so easy to be respectful, have sympathy, and just ignore what and who you don’t like. uggh, it frustrates me that you can’t really escape these in social media, because those are the posts getting lots of attention (because people love ganging up on others to feel a sense of community, i guess) and thus end being pushed by the algorithm.
Thing is, that in the real world if you don’t do your job right, you get fired and no one has empathy or pity for you, they’ll replace you with someone who can do it right.
Does Le Serrafim need some more training? Yes, they can improve. But do they deserve to be hated on? No. The well known quote is: "You've failed as a critic if you extinguished the creatives drive to create."
The way Sakura had a subtle panic attack/emotional breakdown ON CAMERA (which I have small one-sided beef with hybe for filming and releasing…hope kkura gave them her approval), and people are STILL lacking any sight of empathy is crazy. It’s all “mental health matters” until it’s celebrities because society doesn’t see them as humans with brains, but rather perfect robots with no consciousness.
I'm late but I love le sserafim and I related to Sakura alot here. And it's even worse for her because she's an idol, I almost couldn't continue watching because it's so sad seeing Sakura like that 😢
Frr every time one of her videos pops up on my Fyp I report it, atp this is the only ktuber that has Reasonable, Non-cyber bullying and fair opinions (+ she’s an IVE Stan so no wonder)
Sakura literally had a mental breakdown, and people laughed at it. That is beyond disgusting. I'm just so sick of this pointless hate train, all the actually valid criticism they received is hidden behind these disgusting comments about them personally. The same thing happened to aespa in 2021, Itzy in 2022, and IVE in 2023. I'm so sick of kpop fans not learning from history.
People hate on Sakura for crying, will stop until they experience something like that. Maybe not to that extreme but once they had that feeling, they‘ll be like „Wait, I was too harsh“. I mean I also wouldn't wanna perform and sing if people relentlessly hate every single thing I do.
@@Natasha.Louisee ppl like that are even worse. If you say shit at least say that shit with your chest as Ms Grande once said. They know they‘re wrong for unnecessarily hating on Sakura or any other idol so when they‘re called out they cry. But eh it‘s K-pop stans, so I’m not that surprised but still dissapointed
@@AUGHHHHHBBG I mean it‘s true tho 😭 K-pop stans always have them big mouths but when called out they‘re all of the sudden like „I never meant it, I’m so sorry“
I saw the video of Sakura talking about how she was scared of singing and someone in the comments had the audacity to say she deserved it for not being as good as she should be for having “experience in singing for ten years”…. People piss me off so much sometimes
She deserve the hate as she never put an effort to improve herself.. And we can see no improvement on her singing, and we don't support mediocre group with no effort to improved.. By next comeback if there no improvement from her & other members, there definitely a backlash from the korean netizen..
One comment I saw on someone else's video similar to yours was that people always care about an idol's mental health after the idol is already gone, and that really stuck with me. Kpop stans will tear down and bully idol after idol---despite the fact there are literal criminals in this industry that receive less hate--and then if an idol ever gets hurt or god forbid passes away all of a sudden it's "that's why mental health matters!" etc etc. It's disgusting to watch.
"Wow shes crying because she has to do her job" Imagine if you were at your job, and every second someone walked up and attacked you, said you were awful at your job, sent you death threats, attacked your looks and your family, and then imagine if it was 100 times a second. I just dont understand how they can continue to attack her and the group. "They wont see it" Eunchae and Yunjin were both scrolling through social media in the documentary. Just frustrates me so much because, like you said, where is the empathy?!?
i dont know how a criminal like Seungri still has fans and Sakura is literally getting attack by minutes for bad vocal techniques or having a panic attack and/or anxiety. smh
This is exactly my thoughts. I even think about BTS Jimin who also had a live vocal scandal a couple years back. Tbh I just think people hold female idols to a way higher standard and it irks me so much
@@Natasha.Louisee the comparison is not fair like do you think jimin doesn't get enough hate , kpop stans always drag him for his vocals . He is the most hated kpop idol.
@@MahaVir-y5b I’m literally saying that both of them get hate for their vocals. But jimin is objectively a *very* good singer who just had a mistake, people took that and called him a poor vocalist which is similar to sakura. Although I believe jimin is a better vocalist
What I hate the most is people saying "this other group also received hate but they instead of complaining they improved" like if hate trains were justified to improve the artists. The same as "oh she had panic attacks or was sick but performed anyways she's so professional" like hell no companies should always prioritise the health and wellbeing of their workers including idols. It's not a flex that your favourite got better while was recieving death threats or having to perform while feeling ill.
And the thing is… Le Sserafim HAVE improved. Vastly since Coachella. Every performance of theirs since then have been done with hand-held mics. But they don’t want to see them improve. They want to see them fail.
Just a casual listener of Lesserafim and its pretty horrific when I read the comments. Especially with Sakura and how she fears singing. Its just so sad. Its like the kpop fans have forgotten about what happened to Goo Hara, Sulli and Jonghyun. Hate can harm. Laughing at someones fear and sadness is just as brutal. People need to remember. Words can hurt. And words can traumatize.
Fun fact : Ive never seen ONE PERSON who went to the coachella complain about their performance my friend simone went to the show and i only received videos of her having lots of fun and feeling genuinly happy to be there. The point is why are people THAT mad if they werent even there? This whole hate train its not about their encores or they performances , its about the hate that the public has always felt about them . They debuted with SUCH a scandal about garam when EVERYONE was saying that she would ruin the group and now people have the audacity of saying "bring back garam".
No cus I get this. I went to Coachella to see them but I went week 2 not week 1 so when that drama went down I was just shocked cus like… I was suppose to see them next week so I was scared. I had a blast tho and many others in the audience honestly didn’t care people was having fun (some were also on cloud 9 but yk-).
i don’t really get anyone who says: “she’s an idol, she shouldn’t struggle with singing and shouldn’t complain about it”. just how ridiculous they sound. i’m a student, my job is studying and still i struggle with it and often cry about it. same for any job. whoever says that just wants a “fake excuse” to justify their hate.
@@flaky_salt of course she should know how to sing, that’s not what i’m talking about. i’m talking about people using “it’s her job” to say she shouldn’t have emotions or the fact that she can’t struggle. everyone struggles on their job, no matter how good they are. she should get constructive criticism like any other professional, not massive hate.
I come back to this video everytime I go through le seerafim posts on social media because it brings me peace. The comments they get are so cruel that I have to bring myself back here to feel and read human beings with a heart. Thank you for making this video ❤
The amount of people who saw sakura crying and saying she's scared to sing, Then decided "oh yea she DEFINITELY hasn't had enough yet. we need to pile on relentlessly more" is too damn high. It made me realize how many fans are just completely full of hate and self-loathing in kpop. It makes me not want to associate with it at all. That documentary didn't even cover to coachella. I can't imagine how much worse it's become.
Even when they recently performed at SBS Gayo, they did really good! You can see the growth. You can literally see it, but now I can tell that these “fans” don’t even look into the actual growth. They just make more excuses like back tracks and all other types of bullshit just to keep their hate alive.
I onestly don‘t really Like le sserafims music. But I feel so sad for all the hate these poor girls get. Like yes their live vocals are not amazing but from a few performances I saw they are getting better and don‘t deserve the hate at all.
See as a fearnot we don’t expect everyone to like their music. No one is forcing everyone at gun point to listen to them or watch their content. These antis think that’s what we’re doing. If you don’t vibe w a groups music why are you tuning in before even their fans know of new content drop? I don’t watch or listen to music I don’t vibe w. I just wish every musician/artist/gg I don’t vibe w luck on their journey because everyone works hard.
ngl i just saw a tiktok basically bashing sakura and after watching the clip where she was crying, they laughed and "she has been a idol for 12 years" . Some people can criticize, but in a way in could help them, not hurt
I really think a lot of stans don’t realise the difference between criticism and bullying. Not to mention, we have no real idea what goes on behind the scenes and what idols are actually dealing with. We’re just seeing one side of the picture, a little empathy goes such a long way.
And this is the reason why outside people hate K-pop. They see us hating on a 17-year old and thinking to themselves, “Wow, are people really that crazy?” Mark my words, if this hate train continues on after Le sserafim’s “Crazy” Era, one of the members will go to the extremes to make the hate stop.
This is the exact reason(and corruption in general) I left kpop 5 years ago and hearing all this, yeah I associate kpop with negativity now and young little psychopathic fans. This kind of hate a bullying I’ve seen towards this group is not normal and I think shows a bigger problem in kpop fandom culture and certain groups of people. I rarely see this attitude or hate train for talent or looks or image outside of kpop.
Sakura is a good person who is much more then just a singer, her fearless kura show and video game content is so entertaining, and she provides expirience and support for the other members, people are just cruel to be cruel because there's no consequences for the things they say
Fans truly need to learn how to ignore. The hate train on le sserafim is ridiculous, there's no need to constantly keep up with a group if you hate everything about them
Istg kpop fans are always in a constant boomer mood. They say "this was better in (insert precious number) Gen" while completely lacking any empathy for the current groups and only when extremes happen they go into "I miss them, they were good" mode. It's disgusting.
this weirdly reminds me of the hate other female idols have received and I'm starting to notice that this hate train looks like only the beginning of a huge pipeline
we can all admit that sakura is a bad singer, but there's literally no reason for people to keep on attacking her... I think she got the fucking message
The reason people keep “hating” on her is her company throwing a pity party every time she performs poorly The first couple of times people felt bad for her and encouraged her to improve But sympathy runs out when there’s no results to be seen after years, while the crying continues
@@ZHZ97well this is the first time u ever see her crying if you would’ve never watched this documentary or it being released you will never see her crying she’s a human being after all so she’s going to cry here and there and deserves the pity. But since you’re so good at what a company should do why don’t you go apply for a job and show them how to really run it and see how well that will go for u.
@@ZHZ97 right !! exactly that's what I'm talking abt.. they shouldn't put focus on her complaining & crying, they should put focus on her trying & working. a pity party never succeeds
Kpop these days are so weird. How can they bully someone who has anxiety because hate comment towards her? If they dont like and dont know anything about her, better shut up and skip. Sakura needs support
the power trip people get when their hatred towards something else is validated by thousands is a thing to be studied… it’s always the most vile vicious things that become viral too. there’s a few groups and idols that are “easy targets” for these kind of viral hate tweets and lately, it’s unfortunately been open season on lesserafim and sakura specifically. you’ll immediately get applauded and supported, and even like “approved” by the community in a weird way, because hating on them like the trendy thing to do. finding belonging, ephemeral attention/“fame” or twisted satisfaction though heartless hate is so unhealthy and unsustainable. no one’s forcing you to stan anyone, just respect them as human beings?? having sympathy for others seems to be so rare nowadays, but then the unspeakable happens and everyone is like “oh, we can’t let that happen again, respect idols, treat them as human beings….”
It's just crazy that ppl think it is simply a vocal issue with sakura especially. Eunchae and Kazuha is different as they are young and it's just experience. The vocal coach literally said you lost your confidence, and her having to say she is scared of singing. Like wtf?! You can literally hear the anxiety in her voice when she sings now, she didn't sound like that as a jpop idol so that's alot to be looked into. Mind you this could be happening other idols but this may be the first certain things are highlighted
What kpop fans need to realise is that it's possible to be both critical yet empathetic. Criticism should humanise the individual by allowing them to take accountability for their actions whilst also taking into considerarion how their circumstances and emotions got them in this situation in the first place. This is why I dislike how their bad intended fans are robbing them of the opportunity to improve by deflecting criticism from well-intended fans through things like sad edits. It also rubs me the wrong way how they're using clips from the documentary such as Sakura crying in these edits. It feels just as exploitative as their company initially filming her in that state.
Btw thank you for making this video. This video needs to viral and we can share to any other platforms. I hope after this, the hate train towards ssera esp sakura can be stop
Thanks for the video, it was good and reflects my frustration as well. Sakura's situation isn't even all that unique. Aespa's Giselle has talked about how she lost her love for music, Blackpink's Rose has talked about suffering from serious self-confidence issues, Itzy's Yuna has talked about how she feels massive guilt for not being able to sing well enough to have real parts in their songs -- and Lia had to take a break for a year because she was even worse off than that. GFRIEND/Viviz's Eunha has talked about how she has no self-confidence at all. I could keep going..... the list of top-notch k-pop girls who struggle is literally endless, and the lack of understanding about this from "fans" is galling. They use it as fodder for stupid fan-wars and online arguments.... which is wild because there isn't even a reward for winning an argument.
I am genuinely saddened to hear those bad news, the amount of hate comments they have gotten ever since their Coachella 2024 performance is mind-blowing. Hopefully, they are fine mentally because some idols couldn't take the hate train around them...
If you are ever hating on a female idol, picture waking up on your period, heavy flow and all day having to perform on stage for an hour and a half and practice all day, just for people to hate on you for lip-syncing
@@NiNi.258 “that’s their job” so weird. read the video title, read it once again, “empathy” these are humans not robots, they’re not built for these jobs specifically, they can train, they can try but no one is not going have zero problems. The reason lsf specifically share these videos is because that’s what their concept is. People like you need to be publicly shamed for your lack of compassion.
@@NiNi.258 Yeah it's their job, but they aren't perfect. Everybody makes mistakes even in their careers. Reg people take time off their jobs because they are sick or have really bad cramps but when it comes to THAT K-pop group, people are like "Oh they're lazy", "oh this is their job, why can't they do it perfectly then". K-pop idols have back-to-back concerts, considering their practicing in between concerts, and also having to make time to do other things such as brand deals, promotions, fan meets, etc. Idols are debuting younger and younger these days, which makes it harder for them, cause they are growing up too.
I just feel like this all could've been avoided if HYBE had actually given them good vocal training from the start and not giving them an image which is near impossible to live up to (anti-fragile, fearless, change the industry etc), they are humans, not video game characters. I mean, Sakura said she got vocal lessons for the first time during EASY. That's shameful, isn't it? Yes, there is personal accountability, but these girls are so dogged on I won't even go there. At the end of the day, the company is in charge of their training and the quality of training.
Ah yes, the "HYBE vocal training".... remind us all again why nobody complains about TXT vocals, or fromis_9 vocals, or Enhypen vocals, or Seventeen vocals, or BTS vocals, or TWS vocals, or NewJeans vocals...... heck, toss GFRIEND in there too..... or do they not count somehow because they ruin the argument? In Sakura's specific case, she came up through the AKB48 system in Japan, which provides very little vocal or dance training before you're put on stage. Very, very few AKB48 graduates go on to be successful solo singers in Japan because of this. So she has some bad habits that get harder and harder to unlearn as you get older.... (this is true of dance, acting, and athletics, too)
@@warren_r I've seen vocal criticism for literally all of those groups besides Fromis9 and TWS because I don't pay attention to then. Jimin himself just started getting vocal lessons because of the strange style he was trained in taking a toll on his live singing (see THAT encore). SVT only have 4-5 good vocalists, the rest are average to bad, NJ have gotten hate for the vocals NUMEROUS times (most prominent case being Danielle's performance for the KR ver of The Little Mermaid, as well as some of their encores), but ADOR does well to give them songs in their vocal range. What I can do and should've done was differentiated between labels because I know they all use different teams. So SOURCE should've done better at training them vocally.
@@warren_r Let's not include the groups that trained and debuted before their company were bought by HYBE because what we're not gonna do is give them credit for something they haven't contributed to. And weirdly enough, those groups have the best vocalists "from HYBE". That should tell you something...
I don't understand how kpop fans don't understand that this documentary doesn't just show what LS goes through, this is the reality of all kpop idols and it's very sad 😐
people comparing sakura to a regular person being scared of doing their job, when in reality handling the public is part of her job, she's allowed to dislike some aspects of it. I'm a biologist and i can tell you that the data analysis part is one of the parts i dread the most every simgle time, because I'm just not that good at it. i have to try extra hard, it doesn't come naturally to me. doesn't mean I'm scared of doing my job, it means there's a part i like the least because i'm not very good at it. if every time i showed a project, someone kept putting down my data analysis and telling me i suck and should just quit my job, I'd hate that specific part even more too. she wants to improve, but at this point she's terrified of looking stupid, even in front of the person that's there to help her and not put her down. she's not scared of singing, she's scared of getting bashed and ridiculed, which is a very normal and also debilitating fear. the fact that people can't seem to understand this is absolutely baffling to me. i feel horrible for her. and you can see that she pushes through and keeps trying to improve. she had a moment of weakness, decided to show her vulnerability and people are just confirming her fears. people genuinely can't see that they're the ones doing this to her (and the others, sakura's situation just really pisses me off)?? and eunchae is actually making such a good point. we've seen how younger celebrities are treated when they grow up. and idils in particular are seen as disposable, getting called washed up when they turn 20. she knows she'll grow up and she won't be cute and little forever. she's wondering what else there is to her as an idol, other than the cute maknae and she's having panic attacks because she doesn't feel like she's good enough to be in the group. she's scared her talent and hard work won't be enough once she isn't a kid anymore. it's such an understandable fear, and yet people are making fun of her for it, telling her she's a bad singer and is still popular, so she can't complain?? they put her in this box and when she wonders what else she's good at, or if she's good at anything at all, they tell her to stick to the script, once again emphasizing how valid of a concern hers is. i literally just can't with them. this was never about vocals, they just wanted a new punching bag and lesserafim is a group of pretty successful girls with room to improve and who are brave enough to show their vulnerability. they're the perfect target for for the miserable people who need to put others down to feel good about themselves.
People should know that talent differs from someone to another, yes you can improve but sometimes it doesn’t work, I mean if you dislike someone’s voice just don’t listen and move on
think one of the reasons for the hate on sakura is that she has been an idol for like 8 years and ppl had much higher expectations from her at this point. i dont blame her, but rather i'd blame HYBE for not providing her (and the group) the proper environment to thrive. pretty sure HYBE could have provided her vocal lessons even before LSF debut. but no. lets push these girls out half baked in certain areas, even tho there are multiple HYBE groups in the market already, more over, lets push these girls to Coachella where no back tracks were provided! bcuz we want more market shares and moola rolling in. fuk HYBE
I mean, we have to take into consideration Sakura has been regressing since she became an idol. It's not as easy for her to improve drastically compared to someone who started singing
the hate for le sserafim is actually getting out of hand. it is beyond me how these people waste so much time and energy on hating the girls. if i hate a group or an artist for whatever reason well guess what, i dont interact with them AT ALL. these people need to get jobs
Le Sserafim is considered a rival group by the CEO of Ador, one of HYBE's labels. Ador's only group is NewJeans. CEO of Ador, Min Hee Jin, is a former high ranking staff of SM Entertainment. SM is known to used paid online troll to attack competitions even if this means destroying the lives of idols. Kim Garam was defended by her label and by its parent company HYBE. What forced her to leave was ONLINE HATE from supposedly kpop fans. The online hate and trolling were drowning Le Sserafim's debut. Which was exactly the point. Now we see the same hate campaign against Le Sserafim. At the height of the public conflict between Min Hee Jin and HYBE. COINCIDENCE .....??
i’m so glad more people are taking they’re time and making compassionate/logical content regarding le sserafim’s hate train. going into the doc, i was neutral on le sserafim just cause i was focused on other groups. But once I watched the doc, I started to stan them. Not just because they’re obviously talented, but because the amount of hate they receive is so ridiculous. Also, I decided to watch the full coachella performance and like…i was actually surprised. I expected it to be awful because of how ppl presented it on social media but it pleasantly surprised me. And I was so sad about this, because if the full 40 minutes were as bad as haters made it seem, then I would understand to SOME extent. But the fact that haters (not critics but real haters) cherry-picked clips of a LIVE performance because they know it affects these woman/girls mental health and gives them social media engagement is grotesque. To be clear, the level of hate they received is never okay, but I would understand a bit more how the hate got to the point it did if the performance was actually idk…a bad performance due to the crazy nature of k-pop fandom/ the industry.
The thing is people take things way too far and way too serious. I liked Le Sserafim from the beginning their music is really good so naturally I watched both weeks livestreams of Coachella. The first week was pretty bad vocally, they sang 100% live and Chaewon was really the only one who was stable. Especially Eunchae and Kazuha sounded pretty bad there is no sugarcoating it. Week two was better bc of the heavy backtrack. But the performance was really good, they were engaged and powerful. But that is it, why should I hate them? This is so baffling to me, yes they are mostly not the best live singers and need more training but the music is great and their performances are amazing. It’s really not that deep to mentally destroy these people with such bad bullying. I‘m a digital artist and sometimes my paintings turn out ugly. That doesn’t make me worthless or talentless just cause I made something that wasn’t great. They are very talented girls and I hope they recover from this, some people will always have something to say and I hope they learn that they shouldn’t listen to this too much.
ahh been waiting for this 💙 i feel there's no hope for these people who keep finding more 'reasons' to hate on Le sserafim. It's so nice to see someone talk about the documentary without saying 'its damage control' or just straight up bullying them. I am also an avid fimchella enjoyer, maybe its biased, but i think the girls did super well! It's just the bizarre cherry picking that makes it look so much worse then it was, I swear these people do not know what live singing is actually like 💀 had a conversation with my friend and we agreed that the line of criticism and hate is insanely blurred inside the kpop community.
Tbh to me no body really care that much about live vocals until lsf came out. Majority of the time people are not going to be listening to live songs when they’re listening to music they are going to be listening to the studio version. Idrc if an idol can’t sing that good live while yes it would be an extra bonus but if they sound good on the studio version then ima play it. Last thing is if y’all really want good live vocals then there are plenty of groups you can find who have them but it’s the internet people love drama more than their life.
Imma be honest it’s late 4th gen Stan’s. I hate to be that “Back in my day” ahh kpop Stan but imma be that for a moment cus in 3rd gen nobody cared about encore stages this much. A lot of old encore stages people would be having fun or they would be happy crying cus yk they got a win so the vocals wouldn’t be taken serious. Idk when encore stages became “who can sing the best” but anyway
I seriously wish people would direct their dissatisfaction with hybe instead of the idols. ALL of hybe's idols get subpar training. I'm not even really a Sakura fan (I'm neutral on her) but I genuinely think she is trying - hybe just doesn't bother. I feel so terribly bad for these girls.
Also the whole documentary pointed how hard hate is not just on Le sserafim but also idols in general. This low-key makes me think how we seriously underappreciate Wonyoung because goddamn just seeing this hate against Le sserafim is heartbreaking but Wonyoung is just on another level. She gets so much consistent hate while dealing with schedules, diets, practices, and just being a female idol. I respect her so freaking much for this.
The sad part is, the reason majority of conversations around k-pop are full of brain-rot is because no sane person will stop to engage in these idiotic internet arguments. Of course the discourse is going to be majority haters and overprotective fans if the "normal" fans just watch the content and don't really interact further... but what the idol sees is the hate :(
This needed to be said so badly! 100% agree that their Coachella stage was NOT as bad as everyone made it out to be. It wasn't amazing but all things considered, I thought they did a good job. Also I feel like anytime anyone brings someone's looks into an unrelated argument, they've basically lost. Especially in kpop. Like how are you calling someone a visual hole in an industry that makes everyone as pretty as possible??? Lack of empathy seems to be a problem on the general internet, but is especially scary in kpop spaces.
Some of these hate comments feel like these people think singing is a one dimensional skill like in the sims. Just level up your singing skill to 10 and you can sing every song perfectly. Then again, even the sims takes the wellbeing into account for the success of many actions...
how come every time any idol makes a mistake they get bullied. like BULLIED. I'm actually scared for these idols to "enter the real world" (i.e. stop being an idol and come to a regular life), because all they've known for the most formative years of their life was bullying (both from the "fans", antis and the agency). i just hope that they will have therapy available. or even have it available now - for me it's not always about going to therapy it's that it should be available for anyone who might want and need it. for some reason this hateful type of k-pop stans usually nitpick every tiny thing about an idol - and girls (as usual) have it the hardest( let them breathe, they already have like a 3 days off a year something(
i think we should have empathy but also if nobody can see the fruits of the "hardwork" that youve been doing then i think its fair to say that she hasnt been working as hard as other people have in order to get better... her singing is bad and has been bad for so long and she doesnt ever get better how are people supposed to not criticize her (edit) also its not like she cant have bad days, idols will fs have bad days its just on her "good days" shes still not good and thats something she should work 10000% on like wonyoung worked so hard for her vocals to progress so why cant sakura
‘How are people supposed to not criticise her”… Dude this is wayyyyu past criticise now, this is absolute online vitriol and cyber bullying. Its DISGUSTING. wtf is wrong with people. If people aren’t fans or don’t think Sakura deserves her place in le sserafim-stop wasting time watching her spewing hate then. SIMPLE. Like whyyyy be so hateful???? Who the hell hurt you bro? It’s nonsensical. Are haters inflated egos so big that they think their magical words of hate will kick her out? Like what is the end goal here? It’s obvious she is trying hard.. but her growth vocally is stunted from lack of training (in her youth) and the panic/trauma/fear of singing-one can only do so much. She’s been in the industry for awhile. It’s just a reality. Deal with it. If you don’t like it, jog on!
THANK YOU! This is actually my main beef with Sakura. If she just owned up to being nothing but a good looking dozen, I literally wouldn't care and I suspect many other people wouldn't either. But this girl has been constantly crying about wanting to "be taken more seriously as a talented kpop idol" since the first episode of Produce 48, throwing the entire jpop industry under the bus in the process. This was SIX years ago!!! She has pretty much built her entire fanbase outside of Japan on the idea that she is some kind of "underdog with potential" in quest of self improvement but clearly does none of the work. "She wasn't provided with any vocal training while in AKB48, Iz*one or Hybe" they say... Boohoo, isn't she a grown woman and literal multimillionaire? If she is supposedly working so hard, why was she waiting for a vocal coach to just fall into her lap, even though she can just be proactive and look for one on her own? I long stopped being moved by Sakura's tears, because considering her delusions of grandeur conbined with her apparent laziness, to me, they just come across as an attempt to manipulate her audience. What she is seeing now is the consequences of her attitude for the past 6 years. She has just completely exhausted most people's reserves in underdog sympathy points. Also, her fanbase for the past 6 years has taken any excuse to make digs at a 13-19 year old kid who is actually working hard at her job and it's pissing me off.
@@SabrinaRodi her "hardwork" is not evident, if you are not getting better than theres something that you have to change to improve. and im not a hater of her nor do i wish she would leave the group but its definitely fair for fans or onlookers to feel disappointed with how the group performs. if you pay so much money to go to a concert where the person cant sing, wouldnt u feel disappointed that the person you support so much doesnt care about the quality of her work? and obviously she might have a fear of singing but if thats the case whats the point of being a kpop idol where performance is so huge, she had so many years to get vocal training or look for different trainers to help her and she didnt, so now this is the outcome she gets :/ i do hope that she can come back confidently with singing and will work hard to improve
@@yooyeonie If you're not a fan or a hater, what's your motive for being here? Do you really have time to waste on content you're not invested in? Why keep dragging this issue? At this point its de-humanising, the amount of hate spewing at le sserafim. Sure, it's fair to expect a good performance when you pay for a concert, but everyone who’s attended live shows (myself included) has only had positive things to say! We need to remember that idols like Sakura are under immense pressure, and improvement isn't always linear. How can you say she doesn't care about the quality of her work? If you follow their journey, it's clear they all care deeply. Just because progress isn't immediately visible doesn't mean she isn’t putting in the effort or that she doesn’t care about her craft. Growth takes time, and setbacks are part of the process. If you don't have the 'empathy' or time, then stop supporting them. Simple.
When i watched the documentary, i found it incredible that they would rather keep performing and filming even with deteriorating health. When it reaches those levels of better performance over health, i think that can be dangerous, but it shows their dedication to perfecting their craft. Just hope they get all the rest in the world, because so far this year has been a lot for le serrafim
these days i saw a article where k-netizens were saying how much they missed sulli and how lovely she was..... like.... they were non stop hating her to the point she was crying on live asking people to stop and NOW they miss her?? these people have no self conscience, they do inconsequential things and get surprised with the consequences.
We tend to forget one thing as fans. The documentary of Lesserafim proved again that not only haters caused the girlies to be in this state. SOME Fearnots kept comparing them with their colleagues like IVE, NMIXX... etc. calling them untalented and bullying other fandoms which means every other fandom were actually waiting for the things they said like "Yunjin clears all your Vocalist" or "Sakura is good for someone coming out from Japan/J-Pop" and once all of that bragging wasn't real, it backfired. It's true that in 2022, Lesserafim were part of the few girl grouo that sang live, but their vocals never were on point, but Fearnots and hybe kept pushing them. Yunjin's words saying she wanted to change the industry were twisted by her own fans and even her talent (she's not an opera singer). They kept saying she would or she is when, in fact, she just began. How can she when her "family" is not letting her the time to and are already shoving her name in every people's mouth. Like the : "At Lesserafim can sing live". It clearly came back to them cause every other girl group actually sang live better than them : Ive at Lollapalooza, for example. And Lesserafim played the victim cards with apology and middle finger on stories cause they know how dumb fans are and it's not first time that everytime Lesserafim are in a controversy, fans defend them and five days later, Lesserafim use the same made up excuse to base on and say "do not judge" when their actions are more than simply problematic. They just don't care. And they learned how to not care. Hybe is to blame even more. Those girls are/were not good mentally even though Hybe and their fans claim that they have a therapist and psychologist on site. They used their pain as content for pity even though it looks like those girls are showing signs of imposter syndrome feeling ungrateful and unworthy. Hybe is acting all nice by saying "you can stop if you're tired, don't push yourself" when in fact, those girls spent years with Hybe toxic management so it's not in their genes anymore to sop when they are tired. Those girls starved themselves too under Hybe's management. They clearly were made to not say no or not or feel like a disappointment. Hybe debuted those girls only with 4 months of training as a group, when usually groups take 2 years to train and figure out what sound is best for them. It's good we share a light on haters cause some of them really want to end Lesserafim, but at the end of the day, Hybe and Fearnots have more influence on those girls than anyone else. They are the one who make think Eunchae will be ugly in a few years, not the contrary. The documentary was a media play, and the excuse they had was the previous documentary they made for antifragile. But where was the red line ? What did we learn about the documentary? Where were Kazuha and Chaewon in the documentary? What makes them different from other idols ? Cause we literally learned nothing from it, and Lesserafim will be the first victim and first one to suffer the hate train.
sometimes I wish kpop fans could just like see idols as people cause being surrounded by such an intense hatred is just suffocating for me like can't we just enjoy what these idols try to put out and If the make a mistake THEN THEY MADE A MISTAKE I sweat kpop fans should turn their hatred to idols who genuinely deserve it cause I swear when Sakura has like one voice Crack it's like she suddenly became a serial killer
I’ve seen some people hating on her for crying because “she chose that job” and “she should have expected hate because every idol recieves hate” like babes that’s not normal to receive hate for doing your job. She probably chose to be an idol because she wanted to perform and entertain people, not because she wanted to get hated on. The amount of hate she got in NOT normal and should NOT be expected so don’t give me that “it’s her job” “every idol receives hate” BS.
i'm gonna say it, kpop stan never care about the vocals at all. Le serafim has a good encore and they recently even gained praised by knetz because of live performance and yet people still find a way to hate on them. Why can't they just accept those girls has improved lile what you want but you still hate on them more. And to say even there's someone on twitter posting a clip of the members singing saying it's bad but then they admitted the girls actually sounds good and they chose the wrong clip to post. The hate is so forced at this point, and let's talk about how mostly if another company group is singing bad they will be like "it's just an encore" "they have a bad day" where was the same energy with le sserafim, illit and jimin when you all threw a hate and insult on them? It's so fucking annoying when some of them also praising le sserafim's coachella's performance but after a few month they turn up against them just to hop on the hate train. These people are sick and disgusting. Also those people always use the same old clip when the girls has improved like yall want and it shows the hate is forced at this point.
I do feel bad for her and she doesn’t deserve hate but one part of me fails to feel sympathy for her since she’s been crying over the same thing for two years now and by a part of me i obviously don’t mean a big part only a really smart one but its not like it happens every practice it only happened during one. The hate train isn’t that shocking to me since the Kpop community loves to find a new punching bag every year. And to the people saying “They only made this documentary to get people to feel bad” which i dont belive cause this has been in the works for so long. Sakura is a really good performer she just needs to focus on her vocals a bit. I hope the hate train calms down soon cause they do have talent i mean they used to sing live a lot as rookies they all have talent they just need a bit more training. And I agree with you their coachella performance wasn’t the best but not as bad as some are making it out to be. Also one last thing most of the hate that yunjin is getting for drinking Starbucks are from people who Stan other idols who did the same while they dont hold them accountable.
My thoughts too. It makes sense why Sakura had less lines and that’s okay. She has other strengths that adds to the group. Fans just want to find someone to hate and Sakura is an easy target. Same with Yunjin like let’s be for real even if she didn’t have a Starbucks cup there are other means people are unwittingly paying for this Isreal war especially if ur American
@@markigirl2757 Real like all of ur tax money if you are American is going to funding Israel if you really want to make a change then go and donate to Palestine.
These same people that are saying heartless things to these girls are going to be the same people who say “we should’ve protected them 😔” if they end up hurting themselves. Taunting Sakura for being terrified to sing in front of people knowing they were the ones targeting her and the other members pisses me off so much. I have never wanted to slap someone through a screen so bad until I saw those comments. Why do so many “fans” have to be like this?
I love your takes, you somehow manage to say exactly what I have in mind about these situations! It's crazy seeing people telling sakura to get more vocal lessons under videos of her getting them, making me wonder if these people hating even saw the documentary or did they not pay attention or did they basically just hate-watch it.... I'm starting to be concerned of the lack of empathy
3:54 No because this is so well said. Like those haters never see in the idols POV and just pick on them for "not doing their job right." Most of those haters are unemployed sad immature adults that have nothing else to do with their life than hate everything they see.
People who hate on this group don't want to see them as human so they can be horrible to them and that's what sick. They tell themselves their commrnts don't matter but forgot they receive thousands of comments like theirs own.
It is OK to like or dislike anything or anyone because people have different taste and preferences. But to criticize something you should understand and have knowledge about it. Example: if you don't know about vocal technique, you cannot say someone have bad vocal technique. But you can say you don't like the way someone sing. So your judgement is subyective. When Kakao CEO manipulated SM stock price (he arrested by the police), SM caught to paid influencers to make bad opinion about Hybe. According to Kpop shock channel, the hates train to Le sserafim and Illit organized by Chinese company. So, who did pay you?
It's not their fault.The company failed them since debut (garam situation). Let's be honest, the only members that we can consider singers in the group are Chaewon and Yunjin, and this is not the other members' fault. Like Kazuha was a trainee for like what 4 months before debuting?Do you actually expect a girl who has NEVER sang in her life to pull off a high note flawlessly? She was already struggling to switch dance styles after practicing ballet for YEARS. For Eunchae, she was literally 15 and put in the wrong environment. As we know, the debut of Le Sserafim was rushed becuse allegedly mhj kept pushing back the meetings to form and debut NewJeans back in 2021 (i dont really remember), and since lsrfm included both Sakura and Chaewon (former IZ*ONE members) it's common sense that they were gonna be the first to debut. Speaking of Sakura, yes i know she's been in the industry for years but she NEVER recieved proper vocal training, and the rushed re-debut didn't help at all. If the company really cared about them and they would have actually paied attention to the hate they recieved because of that easy encore, they would have never let them go to Coachella.
Source Music was banking on two izone members in the group would translate to massive profits like IVE and rushed it and they are paying the consequences. The girls don’t deserve the hate I wish fans pushed the criticism to the company. Especially when they aren’t any better then most shitty K-pop companies
@@markigirl2757source was in enormous debt cuzz of mhj nj debt that she left w source. Never paid back. So the second team s aka LE sserafim needed to debut fast to try to cover that deficit. Kkura first actual proper vocal training and first actually Korean class was source. Produce and izone didn’t really train them. So right now ur seeing how she is learning how to sing proper as well as zuha and eunchae. Kkura natural voice is shaky as well. Ergo if being an idol to u is just singing then why isn’t Ariana grande, Beyoncé, Mariah Carey idols? Being an idol is more than singing. Being an idol is singing/dancinf / stage presence/performance, fan service and so much more. To me idc if an idol debuts in a group and their not 100 in every category. I love seeing them improve. Hell theirs a reason their in a gg because each member in a group fills a hole another member maybe lacking. So each member balances each others weaknesses out. Hell that’s what Kim sejeoung said as a judge on that one idol survival show.
THIS. People seem to completely forget that Hybe literally out no care into their training and just debuted them as fast as possible but the fans think it's just blind hate and just refuse to accept this valid criticism
Agree, but I'd also like to mention their mishandling of Yunjin too! She is a trained classical singer and very good at it, but hybe never bothered training her in modern pop vocals which can be very different... so she gets shit on for her live vocals now too.
@@parawolfwolfsbane9524 yeah i know. i just focuses on they're singing because that's what they're being criticized about. Their performance/dancing/ stage presence/ fan serving are top tier skills.
people are fucking bullies, its all or nothing. its either some people baby their idols or shit on them every chance they get its infuriating. yes, sakura is not the best vocalist out there but should she be bullied for it? no, its not the end of the world. sakura is in a shitty cycle, people expect her to perform badly causing her to lose confidence which DOES make her perform badly giving haters what they want, confirming their bias. instead people should give their criticisms logically while at the same time not discrediting her efforts, she still works hard but anything she does is laughed at, i would also breakdown for "doing my job" if doing my job gets people to tear me apart.
I love your videos sooo much, I find your view on kpop soo refreshing and NEEDED. The only thing is the bg music gives me a headache, which sucks because I looove your channel and would love to be able to watch several videos of yours but I can´t because of it. Still, I´m here for your opinions, always so respectful and tasteful :>
Everyone acknowledges how toxic and grueling the idol industry is: unless you don’t like the idol, then it’s actually an easy job and they just need to stop complaining and try harder.
So many netzens spew so much hate to the point it’s like why are you even a K-pop stand if you constantly bash a group or a member of a group who’s either talented, working hard, isn’t up to their unrealistic standards in appearance/performance. If you don’t like them then don’t watch them but you do and then make horrible comments like talk to a therapist or write it down on your notes app vent out the so called opinion somewhere else that isn’t directed to the idol/group especially when you try to claim it’s an opinion or criticism when it’s literal hate.
I agree with your video but also understand people frustrated she been in the industry for 13 years half of her life for what even after the first documentary Sakura has still the same vocal problems I feel like people think that she isn't trying hard enough or she doesn't really care. That's why i blame the company because they not looking into what the really problem with Sakura vocal skills is. This worst time to release the documentary because know people will think that Sakura is crying because she wamts empathy from people.
I personally couldn’t care less if someone is a celebrity or not. If someone has privilege or not. None of that matters when it comes to people’s humanity. Of course there are some celebrities who are just out of touch, but even they are still human beings. I’m so tired of people saying that all bets are off for famous or rich people and thinking that they can just say whatever they want about them or laugh at their misfortune. Cause it honestly just makes you a bitter a-hole 🤷♀️
I feel like Sakura was so much happier in iz*one and HKT48 and I feel like she should think about going back to jpop. Sometimes I think about what If she was in ive since the royal concept fits her a lot more then lessraefim concept
@@salembejaoui1880 I would love to see her in jpop again and she would have done amazing in jpop since she was in HKT48 and iz*one so she would have a really strong fanbase and not get so much undeserved hate like she does now
the source of the problem is for sure the lack of empathy. i’ve been on kpop twitter for a few months now and some of the things i’ve seen being said about idols and to the fans defending them are genuinely disgusting. they don’t see others as real people with real feelings anymore and care more about the two seconds of fame they get for bullying others online.
Couldn't agree more. It is a surprise how such blatant disrespect and lack of empathy is prevalent and normalised in that space.
To be fair it’s twitter. Kpop twitter is psychotic
this! the power trip people get from their hate being supported by thousands only leads to more of this happening… it’s a vicious hate cycle that ends up targeting anyone and everyone.
it’s so easy to be respectful, have sympathy, and just ignore what and who you don’t like. uggh, it frustrates me that you can’t really escape these in social media, because those are the posts getting lots of attention (because people love ganging up on others to feel a sense of community, i guess) and thus end being pushed by the algorithm.
@@AUGHHHHHBBGLa personas en tiktok tmb actúan igual, así que no solo son las de twitter
Thing is, that in the real world if you don’t do your job right, you get fired and no one has empathy or pity for you, they’ll replace you with someone who can do it right.
Does Le Serrafim need some more training? Yes, they can improve. But do they deserve to be hated on? No.
The well known quote is: "You've failed as a critic if you extinguished the creatives drive to create."
The way Sakura had a subtle panic attack/emotional breakdown ON CAMERA (which I have small one-sided beef with hybe for filming and releasing…hope kkura gave them her approval), and people are STILL lacking any sight of empathy is crazy. It’s all “mental health matters” until it’s celebrities because society doesn’t see them as humans with brains, but rather perfect robots with no consciousness.
I'm late but I love le sserafim and I related to Sakura alot here. And it's even worse for her because she's an idol, I almost couldn't continue watching because it's so sad seeing Sakura like that 😢
i saw the sultry film post on this, rolled my eyes, and immediately knew you would have a good take on this
Yikes…. I saw other people talking about it. Didn’t see her post though because I blocked her 😔 because bullying is wrong
Frr every time one of her videos pops up on my Fyp I report it, atp this is the only ktuber that has Reasonable, Non-cyber bullying and fair opinions (+ she’s an IVE Stan so no wonder)
@@Natasha.Louisee probably the responsible thing to do (which i am going to go do now)
@@Natasha.LouiseeAS YOU SHOULD 👏
I watched her video and I was PISSEDDDD
Sakura literally had a mental breakdown, and people laughed at it. That is beyond disgusting. I'm just so sick of this pointless hate train, all the actually valid criticism they received is hidden behind these disgusting comments about them personally. The same thing happened to aespa in 2021, Itzy in 2022, and IVE in 2023. I'm so sick of kpop fans not learning from history.
People hate on Sakura for crying, will stop until they experience something like that. Maybe not to that extreme but once they had that feeling, they‘ll be like „Wait, I was too harsh“. I mean I also wouldn't wanna perform and sing if people relentlessly hate every single thing I do.
Babe people literally have a meltdown when someone calls them out for their comment in the comment section. They wouldn't last one minute
@@Natasha.Louisee ppl like that are even worse. If you say shit at least say that shit with your chest as Ms Grande once said. They know they‘re wrong for unnecessarily hating on Sakura or any other idol so when they‘re called out they cry. But eh it‘s K-pop stans, so I’m not that surprised but still dissapointed
@@Natasha.LouiseeLMAOOOO
@@jxstadrinot miss grande 😭😭😭
@@AUGHHHHHBBG I mean it‘s true tho 😭 K-pop stans always have them big mouths but when called out they‘re all of the sudden like „I never meant it, I’m so sorry“
I saw the video of Sakura talking about how she was scared of singing and someone in the comments had the audacity to say she deserved it for not being as good as she should be for having “experience in singing for ten years”…. People piss me off so much sometimes
…….. there’s literally never a reason for someone to get harassed at the magnitude she did
@@Natasha.Louisee Actual CRIMINALS in kpop haven't gotten as much hate as they have like bffr
Yeah the reason why she's scared of singing is because of people hating on her...
@@chickennugget188 Fr
She deserve the hate as she never put an effort to improve herself.. And we can see no improvement on her singing, and we don't support mediocre group with no effort to improved..
By next comeback if there no improvement from her & other members, there definitely a backlash from the korean netizen..
“You mom’s a dozen.” I FUCKING CACKLED
One comment I saw on someone else's video similar to yours was that people always care about an idol's mental health after the idol is already gone, and that really stuck with me. Kpop stans will tear down and bully idol after idol---despite the fact there are literal criminals in this industry that receive less hate--and then if an idol ever gets hurt or god forbid passes away all of a sudden it's "that's why mental health matters!" etc etc. It's disgusting to watch.
"Wow shes crying because she has to do her job"
Imagine if you were at your job, and every second someone walked up and attacked you, said you were awful at your job, sent you death threats, attacked your looks and your family, and then imagine if it was 100 times a second.
I just dont understand how they can continue to attack her and the group. "They wont see it" Eunchae and Yunjin were both scrolling through social media in the documentary.
Just frustrates me so much because, like you said, where is the empathy?!?
i dont know how a criminal like Seungri still has fans and Sakura is literally getting attack by minutes for bad vocal techniques or having a panic attack and/or anxiety. smh
This is exactly my thoughts. I even think about BTS Jimin who also had a live vocal scandal a couple years back. Tbh I just think people hold female idols to a way higher standard and it irks me so much
@@Natasha.Louisee the comparison is not fair like do you think jimin doesn't get enough hate , kpop stans always drag him for his vocals . He is the most hated kpop idol.
@@MahaVir-y5b I’m literally saying that both of them get hate for their vocals. But jimin is objectively a *very* good singer who just had a mistake, people took that and called him a poor vocalist which is similar to sakura. Although I believe jimin is a better vocalist
@@Natasha.Louisee oh I'm so sorry, i misunderstood your comment.
What I hate the most is people saying "this other group also received hate but they instead of complaining they improved" like if hate trains were justified to improve the artists. The same as "oh she had panic attacks or was sick but performed anyways she's so professional" like hell no companies should always prioritise the health and wellbeing of their workers including idols. It's not a flex that your favourite got better while was recieving death threats or having to perform while feeling ill.
And the thing is… Le Sserafim HAVE improved. Vastly since Coachella. Every performance of theirs since then have been done with hand-held mics. But they don’t want to see them improve. They want to see them fail.
Just a casual listener of Lesserafim and its pretty horrific when I read the comments. Especially with Sakura and how she fears singing. Its just so sad.
Its like the kpop fans have forgotten about what happened to Goo Hara, Sulli and Jonghyun. Hate can harm. Laughing at someones fear and sadness is just as brutal. People need to remember.
Words can hurt. And words can traumatize.
Fun fact : Ive never seen ONE PERSON who went to the coachella complain about their performance my friend simone went to the show and i only received videos of her having lots of fun and feeling genuinly happy to be there. The point is why are people THAT mad if they werent even there? This whole hate train its not about their encores or they performances , its about the hate that the public has always felt about them . They debuted with SUCH a scandal about garam when EVERYONE was saying that she would ruin the group and now people have the audacity of saying "bring back garam".
No cus I get this. I went to Coachella to see them but I went week 2 not week 1 so when that drama went down I was just shocked cus like… I was suppose to see them next week so I was scared.
I had a blast tho and many others in the audience honestly didn’t care people was having fun (some were also on cloud 9 but yk-).
i don’t really get anyone who says: “she’s an idol, she shouldn’t struggle with singing and shouldn’t complain about it”. just how ridiculous they sound. i’m a student, my job is studying and still i struggle with it and often cry about it. same for any job. whoever says that just wants a “fake excuse” to justify their hate.
not trying to justify the hate but she literally is a singer she should know how to sing
@@flaky_salt of course she should know how to sing, that’s not what i’m talking about. i’m talking about people using “it’s her job” to say she shouldn’t have emotions or the fact that she can’t struggle. everyone struggles on their job, no matter how good they are. she should get constructive criticism like any other professional, not massive hate.
@@eloxoxo222 true
I genuinely got goosebumps when watching the documentary it was literally the definition of “not everything is like they seem”
I come back to this video everytime I go through le seerafim posts on social media because it brings me peace. The comments they get are so cruel that I have to bring myself back here to feel and read human beings with a heart. Thank you for making this video ❤
The amount of people who saw sakura crying and saying she's scared to sing, Then decided "oh yea she DEFINITELY hasn't had enough yet. we need to pile on relentlessly more" is too damn high. It made me realize how many fans are just completely full of hate and self-loathing in kpop. It makes me not want to associate with it at all. That documentary didn't even cover to coachella. I can't imagine how much worse it's become.
Even today I still don't understand how people hated Sakura for crying....
(Off topic but you slay those miniature ❤)
Aweh thank you~ and also…… getting hate for crying is a new low for kpop trans
Even when they recently performed at SBS Gayo, they did really good! You can see the growth. You can literally see it, but now I can tell that these “fans” don’t even look into the actual growth. They just make more excuses like back tracks and all other types of bullshit just to keep their hate alive.
Dude they were always good, people have bad days and good days. They are human, but the quality of performance has always been good in my opinion!
I onestly don‘t really Like le sserafims music. But I feel so sad for all the hate these poor girls get. Like yes their live vocals are not amazing but from a few performances I saw they are getting better and don‘t deserve the hate at all.
See as a fearnot we don’t expect everyone to like their music. No one is forcing everyone at gun point to listen to them or watch their content. These antis think that’s what we’re doing. If you don’t vibe w a groups music why are you tuning in before even their fans know of new content drop? I don’t watch or listen to music I don’t vibe w. I just wish every musician/artist/gg I don’t vibe w luck on their journey because everyone works hard.
exactly its easy to ignore people you simply dont like . but pple gotta go outta their way ig
ngl i just saw a tiktok basically bashing sakura and after watching the clip where she was crying, they laughed and "she has been a idol for 12 years" . Some people can criticize, but in a way in could help them, not hurt
I really think a lot of stans don’t realise the difference between criticism and bullying. Not to mention, we have no real idea what goes on behind the scenes and what idols are actually dealing with. We’re just seeing one side of the picture, a little empathy goes such a long way.
And this is the reason why outside people hate K-pop. They see us hating on a 17-year old and thinking to themselves, “Wow, are people really that crazy?”
Mark my words, if this hate train continues on after Le sserafim’s “Crazy” Era, one of the members will go to the extremes to make the hate stop.
This is the exact reason(and corruption in general) I left kpop 5 years ago and hearing all this, yeah I associate kpop with negativity now and young little psychopathic fans.
This kind of hate a bullying I’ve seen towards this group is not normal and I think shows a bigger problem in kpop fandom culture and certain groups of people.
I rarely see this attitude or hate train for talent or looks or image outside of kpop.
Sakura is a good person who is much more then just a singer, her fearless kura show and video game content is so entertaining, and she provides expirience and support for the other members, people are just cruel to be cruel because there's no consequences for the things they say
Well no she's not a singer that would an insult to ACTUAL singer. Let's just call her a kpop idol
@@salembejaoui1880 babe, that is not the point..
Fans truly need to learn how to ignore.
The hate train on le sserafim is ridiculous, there's no need to constantly keep up with a group if you hate everything about them
Istg kpop fans are always in a constant boomer mood. They say "this was better in (insert precious number) Gen" while completely lacking any empathy for the current groups and only when extremes happen they go into "I miss them, they were good" mode. It's disgusting.
dont judge because you never know what goes on behind closed doors… i hope the girls find peace someday
TYSM for this video. The lack of empathy has been genuinely devastating
this weirdly reminds me of the hate other female idols have received and I'm starting to notice that this hate train looks like only the beginning of a huge pipeline
girl you are so pretty how do ppl get so mad that they start telling lies😭
I love that someone understands what le sserafim is going through 😭 I hope all the hate goes away 🙏
we can all admit that sakura is a bad singer, but there's literally no reason for people to keep on attacking her... I think she got the fucking message
yeah people are acting like she did a crime 😭
@@chickennoodlesoop0320 frfr
like chill off, touch some grass, & get a life while you're at it. she can sort it out herself
The reason people keep “hating” on her is her company throwing a pity party every time she performs poorly
The first couple of times people felt bad for her and encouraged her to improve
But sympathy runs out when there’s no results to be seen after years, while the crying continues
@@ZHZ97well this is the first time u ever see her crying if you would’ve never watched this documentary or it being released you will never see her crying she’s a human being after all so she’s going to cry here and there and deserves the pity. But since you’re so good at what a company should do why don’t you go apply for a job and show them how to really run it and see how well that will go for u.
@@ZHZ97 right !! exactly that's what I'm talking abt.. they shouldn't put focus on her complaining & crying, they should put focus on her trying & working. a pity party never succeeds
Kpop these days are so weird. How can they bully someone who has anxiety because hate comment towards her? If they dont like and dont know anything about her, better shut up and skip. Sakura needs support
the power trip people get when their hatred towards something else is validated by thousands is a thing to be studied… it’s always the most vile vicious things that become viral too. there’s a few groups and idols that are “easy targets” for these kind of viral hate tweets and lately, it’s unfortunately been open season on lesserafim and sakura specifically. you’ll immediately get applauded and supported, and even like “approved” by the community in a weird way, because hating on them like the trendy thing to do.
finding belonging, ephemeral attention/“fame” or twisted satisfaction though heartless hate is so unhealthy and unsustainable. no one’s forcing you to stan anyone, just respect them as human beings?? having sympathy for others seems to be so rare nowadays, but then the unspeakable happens and everyone is like “oh, we can’t let that happen again, respect idols, treat them as human beings….”
It's just crazy that ppl think it is simply a vocal issue with sakura especially. Eunchae and Kazuha is different as they are young and it's just experience. The vocal coach literally said you lost your confidence, and her having to say she is scared of singing. Like wtf?! You can literally hear the anxiety in her voice when she sings now, she didn't sound like that as a jpop idol so that's alot to be looked into. Mind you this could be happening other idols but this may be the first certain things are highlighted
The fact that people didn't even stop to think when this video was filmed
What kpop fans need to realise is that it's possible to be both critical yet empathetic. Criticism should humanise the individual by allowing them to take accountability for their actions whilst also taking into considerarion how their circumstances and emotions got them in this situation in the first place.
This is why I dislike how their bad intended fans are robbing them of the opportunity to improve by deflecting criticism from well-intended fans through things like sad edits. It also rubs me the wrong way how they're using clips from the documentary such as Sakura crying in these edits. It feels just as exploitative as their company initially filming her in that state.
Btw thank you for making this video. This video needs to viral and we can share to any other platforms. I hope after this, the hate train towards ssera esp sakura can be stop
Thanks for the video, it was good and reflects my frustration as well.
Sakura's situation isn't even all that unique. Aespa's Giselle has talked about how she lost her love for music, Blackpink's Rose has talked about suffering from serious self-confidence issues, Itzy's Yuna has talked about how she feels massive guilt for not being able to sing well enough to have real parts in their songs -- and Lia had to take a break for a year because she was even worse off than that. GFRIEND/Viviz's Eunha has talked about how she has no self-confidence at all.
I could keep going..... the list of top-notch k-pop girls who struggle is literally endless, and the lack of understanding about this from "fans" is galling. They use it as fodder for stupid fan-wars and online arguments.... which is wild because there isn't even a reward for winning an argument.
I am genuinely saddened to hear those bad news, the amount of hate comments they have gotten ever since their Coachella 2024 performance is mind-blowing. Hopefully, they are fine mentally because some idols couldn't take the hate train around them...
FINALLY someone with a clear mind is telling the truth about the scrutiny
Omg, I love the way you serve on every thumbnail 😭😭
If you are ever hating on a female idol, picture waking up on your period, heavy flow and all day having to perform on stage for an hour and a half and practice all day, just for people to hate on you for lip-syncing
This. I always wonder how they deal with such a nightmare.
But that's their job...
@@NiNi.258same with going to school yet people skip when their periods get bad…
@@NiNi.258 “that’s their job” so weird. read the video title, read it once again, “empathy” these are humans not robots, they’re not built for these jobs specifically, they can train, they can try but no one is not going have zero problems. The reason lsf specifically share these videos is because that’s what their concept is. People like you need to be publicly shamed for your lack of compassion.
@@NiNi.258 Yeah it's their job, but they aren't perfect. Everybody makes mistakes even in their careers. Reg people take time off their jobs because they are sick or have really bad cramps but when it comes to THAT K-pop group, people are like "Oh they're lazy", "oh this is their job, why can't they do it perfectly then". K-pop idols have back-to-back concerts, considering their practicing in between concerts, and also having to make time to do other things such as brand deals, promotions, fan meets, etc. Idols are debuting younger and younger these days, which makes it harder for them, cause they are growing up too.
I just feel like this all could've been avoided if HYBE had actually given them good vocal training from the start and not giving them an image which is near impossible to live up to (anti-fragile, fearless, change the industry etc), they are humans, not video game characters. I mean, Sakura said she got vocal lessons for the first time during EASY. That's shameful, isn't it? Yes, there is personal accountability, but these girls are so dogged on I won't even go there. At the end of the day, the company is in charge of their training and the quality of training.
EXACTLY, this is the company's fault they should have done better....
Ah yes, the "HYBE vocal training".... remind us all again why nobody complains about TXT vocals, or fromis_9 vocals, or Enhypen vocals, or Seventeen vocals, or BTS vocals, or TWS vocals, or NewJeans vocals...... heck, toss GFRIEND in there too..... or do they not count somehow because they ruin the argument?
In Sakura's specific case, she came up through the AKB48 system in Japan, which provides very little vocal or dance training before you're put on stage. Very, very few AKB48 graduates go on to be successful solo singers in Japan because of this. So she has some bad habits that get harder and harder to unlearn as you get older.... (this is true of dance, acting, and athletics, too)
@@warren_r I've seen vocal criticism for literally all of those groups besides Fromis9 and TWS because I don't pay attention to then. Jimin himself just started getting vocal lessons because of the strange style he was trained in taking a toll on his live singing (see THAT encore). SVT only have 4-5 good vocalists, the rest are average to bad, NJ have gotten hate for the vocals NUMEROUS times (most prominent case being Danielle's performance for the KR ver of The Little Mermaid, as well as some of their encores), but ADOR does well to give them songs in their vocal range.
What I can do and should've done was differentiated between labels because I know they all use different teams. So SOURCE should've done better at training them vocally.
@@warren_r Let's not include the groups that trained and debuted before their company were bought by HYBE because what we're not gonna do is give them credit for something they haven't contributed to. And weirdly enough, those groups have the best vocalists "from HYBE". That should tell you something...
@@warren_r dude fromis hadn't done live vocal stages in years of course nobody said anything..
and have you not seen Jimin's encore stage?
Finally, they don't deserve any of the hate it's just the people who die hard stans who sit on couch jobless who always criticize other people.
Pretty,inteligent and straightforward,you just gained a sub
I don't understand how kpop fans don't understand that this documentary doesn't just show what LS goes through, this is the reality of all kpop idols and it's very sad 😐
Yes. Im sure that this documentary can relate for all kpop idols. Fans doesnt feel it
people comparing sakura to a regular person being scared of doing their job, when in reality handling the public is part of her job, she's allowed to dislike some aspects of it. I'm a biologist and i can tell you that the data analysis part is one of the parts i dread the most every simgle time, because I'm just not that good at it. i have to try extra hard, it doesn't come naturally to me. doesn't mean I'm scared of doing my job, it means there's a part i like the least because i'm not very good at it. if every time i showed a project, someone kept putting down my data analysis and telling me i suck and should just quit my job, I'd hate that specific part even more too. she wants to improve, but at this point she's terrified of looking stupid, even in front of the person that's there to help her and not put her down. she's not scared of singing, she's scared of getting bashed and ridiculed, which is a very normal and also debilitating fear. the fact that people can't seem to understand this is absolutely baffling to me. i feel horrible for her. and you can see that she pushes through and keeps trying to improve. she had a moment of weakness, decided to show her vulnerability and people are just confirming her fears. people genuinely can't see that they're the ones doing this to her (and the others, sakura's situation just really pisses me off)??
and eunchae is actually making such a good point. we've seen how younger celebrities are treated when they grow up. and idils in particular are seen as disposable, getting called washed up when they turn 20. she knows she'll grow up and she won't be cute and little forever. she's wondering what else there is to her as an idol, other than the cute maknae and she's having panic attacks because she doesn't feel like she's good enough to be in the group. she's scared her talent and hard work won't be enough once she isn't a kid anymore. it's such an understandable fear, and yet people are making fun of her for it, telling her she's a bad singer and is still popular, so she can't complain?? they put her in this box and when she wonders what else she's good at, or if she's good at anything at all, they tell her to stick to the script, once again emphasizing how valid of a concern hers is. i literally just can't with them.
this was never about vocals, they just wanted a new punching bag and lesserafim is a group of pretty successful girls with room to improve and who are brave enough to show their vulnerability. they're the perfect target for for the miserable people who need to put others down to feel good about themselves.
this is why your my favourite kpop youtuber, you have actually have common sense!
People should know that talent differs from someone to another, yes you can improve but sometimes it doesn’t work, I mean if you dislike someone’s voice just don’t listen and move on
think one of the reasons for the hate on sakura is that she has been an idol for like 8 years and ppl had much higher expectations from her at this point. i dont blame her, but rather i'd blame HYBE for not providing her (and the group) the proper environment to thrive. pretty sure HYBE could have provided her vocal lessons even before LSF debut. but no. lets push these girls out half baked in certain areas, even tho there are multiple HYBE groups in the market already, more over, lets push these girls to Coachella where no back tracks were provided! bcuz we want more market shares and moola rolling in. fuk HYBE
Hybe really exposed themselves and seeing how terrible their pr is like they did it to themselves
I mean, we have to take into consideration Sakura has been regressing since she became an idol. It's not as easy for her to improve drastically compared to someone who started singing
the hate for le sserafim is actually getting out of hand. it is beyond me how these people waste so much time and energy on hating the girls. if i hate a group or an artist for whatever reason well guess what, i dont interact with them AT ALL. these people need to get jobs
Okay they get hate for a reason if we can hate on groups like suju for being problematic why can’t we hate on them? Cus they’re pretty?
Le Sserafim is considered a rival group by the CEO of Ador, one of HYBE's labels. Ador's only group is NewJeans. CEO of Ador, Min Hee Jin, is a former high ranking staff of SM Entertainment. SM is known to used paid online troll to attack competitions even if this means destroying the lives of idols. Kim Garam was defended by her label and by its parent company HYBE. What forced her to leave was ONLINE HATE from supposedly kpop fans. The online hate and trolling were drowning Le Sserafim's debut. Which was exactly the point. Now we see the same hate campaign against Le Sserafim. At the height of the public conflict between Min Hee Jin and HYBE. COINCIDENCE .....??
Thank you for giving actual criticism instead of hate!
i’m so glad more people are taking they’re time and making compassionate/logical content regarding le sserafim’s hate train. going into the doc, i was neutral on le sserafim just cause i was focused on other groups. But once I watched the doc, I started to stan them. Not just because they’re obviously talented, but because the amount of hate they receive is so ridiculous. Also, I decided to watch the full coachella performance and like…i was actually surprised. I expected it to be awful because of how ppl presented it on social media but it pleasantly surprised me. And I was so sad about this, because if the full 40 minutes were as bad as haters made it seem, then I would understand to SOME extent. But the fact that haters (not critics but real haters) cherry-picked clips of a LIVE performance because they know it affects these woman/girls mental health and gives them social media engagement is grotesque. To be clear, the level of hate they received is never okay, but I would understand a bit more how the hate got to the point it did if the performance was actually idk…a bad performance due to the crazy nature of k-pop fandom/ the industry.
The thing is people take things way too far and way too serious. I liked Le Sserafim from the beginning their music is really good so naturally I watched both weeks livestreams of Coachella.
The first week was pretty bad vocally, they sang 100% live and Chaewon was really the only one who was stable. Especially Eunchae and Kazuha sounded pretty bad there is no sugarcoating it. Week two was better bc of the heavy backtrack. But the performance was really good, they were engaged and powerful.
But that is it, why should I hate them? This is so baffling to me, yes they are mostly not the best live singers and need more training but the music is great and their performances are amazing. It’s really not that deep to mentally destroy these people with such bad bullying. I‘m a digital artist and sometimes my paintings turn out ugly. That doesn’t make me worthless or talentless just cause I made something that wasn’t great.
They are very talented girls and I hope they recover from this, some people will always have something to say and I hope they learn that they shouldn’t listen to this too much.
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i feel there's no hope for these people who keep finding more 'reasons' to hate on Le sserafim. It's so nice to see someone talk about the documentary without saying 'its damage control' or just straight up bullying them. I am also an avid fimchella enjoyer, maybe its biased, but i think the girls did super well! It's just the bizarre cherry picking that makes it look so much worse then it was, I swear these people do not know what live singing is actually like 💀
had a conversation with my friend and we agreed that the line of criticism and hate is insanely blurred inside the kpop community.
Girl 0:41 you’re beautiful 🤩 people are just trying to be rude
People say youre botched?!? Girl youre literally so pretty! Though the light makes you seem like youre glowing white lolol
Tbh to me no body really care that much about live vocals until lsf came out. Majority of the time people are not going to be listening to live songs when they’re listening to music they are going to be listening to the studio version. Idrc if an idol can’t sing that good live while yes it would be an extra bonus but if they sound good on the studio version then ima play it. Last thing is if y’all really want good live vocals then there are plenty of groups you can find who have them but it’s the internet people love drama more than their life.
SO many 4th gen groups never do live vocals... hell, even a decent handful of 3rd gen groups don't.
Imma be honest it’s late 4th gen Stan’s. I hate to be that “Back in my day” ahh kpop Stan but imma be that for a moment cus in 3rd gen nobody cared about encore stages this much. A lot of old encore stages people would be having fun or they would be happy crying cus yk they got a win so the vocals wouldn’t be taken serious.
Idk when encore stages became “who can sing the best” but anyway
Unfortunately, people are just bored and evil. I really do hope these evil stans get banned from using any internet connection for life.
GIRL UR FLAWLESS
I seriously wish people would direct their dissatisfaction with hybe instead of the idols. ALL of hybe's idols get subpar training. I'm not even really a Sakura fan (I'm neutral on her) but I genuinely think she is trying - hybe just doesn't bother. I feel so terribly bad for these girls.
Also the whole documentary pointed how hard hate is not just on Le sserafim but also idols in general. This low-key makes me think how we seriously underappreciate Wonyoung because goddamn just seeing this hate against Le sserafim is heartbreaking but Wonyoung is just on another level. She gets so much consistent hate while dealing with schedules, diets, practices, and just being a female idol. I respect her so freaking much for this.
Calling you ugly is just objectively wrong lmao
The sad part is, the reason majority of conversations around k-pop are full of brain-rot is because no sane person will stop to engage in these idiotic internet arguments. Of course the discourse is going to be majority haters and overprotective fans if the "normal" fans just watch the content and don't really interact further... but what the idol sees is the hate :(
This needed to be said so badly! 100% agree that their Coachella stage was NOT as bad as everyone made it out to be. It wasn't amazing but all things considered, I thought they did a good job. Also I feel like anytime anyone brings someone's looks into an unrelated argument, they've basically lost. Especially in kpop. Like how are you calling someone a visual hole in an industry that makes everyone as pretty as possible??? Lack of empathy seems to be a problem on the general internet, but is especially scary in kpop spaces.
Some of these hate comments feel like these people think singing is a one dimensional skill like in the sims. Just level up your singing skill to 10 and you can sing every song perfectly.
Then again, even the sims takes the wellbeing into account for the success of many actions...
how come every time any idol makes a mistake they get bullied. like BULLIED. I'm actually scared for these idols to "enter the real world" (i.e. stop being an idol and come to a regular life), because all they've known for the most formative years of their life was bullying (both from the "fans", antis and the agency). i just hope that they will have therapy available. or even have it available now - for me it's not always about going to therapy it's that it should be available for anyone who might want and need it.
for some reason this hateful type of k-pop stans usually nitpick every tiny thing about an idol - and girls (as usual) have it the hardest(
let them breathe, they already have like a 3 days off a year something(
i think we should have empathy but also if nobody can see the fruits of the "hardwork" that youve been doing then i think its fair to say that she hasnt been working as hard as other people have in order to get better... her singing is bad and has been bad for so long and she doesnt ever get better how are people supposed to not criticize her
(edit) also its not like she cant have bad days, idols will fs have bad days its just on her "good days" shes still not good and thats something she should work 10000% on like wonyoung worked so hard for her vocals to progress so why cant sakura
Fans just can't accept criticism and stay satisfied with low standards
‘How are people supposed to not criticise her”… Dude this is wayyyyu past criticise now, this is absolute online vitriol and cyber bullying. Its DISGUSTING. wtf is wrong with people. If people aren’t fans or don’t think Sakura deserves her place in le sserafim-stop wasting time watching her spewing hate then. SIMPLE. Like whyyyy be so hateful???? Who the hell hurt you bro? It’s nonsensical. Are haters inflated egos so big that they think their magical words of hate will kick her out? Like what is the end goal here? It’s obvious she is trying hard.. but her growth vocally is stunted from lack of training (in her youth) and the panic/trauma/fear of singing-one can only do so much. She’s been in the industry for awhile. It’s just a reality. Deal with it. If you don’t like it, jog on!
THANK YOU!
This is actually my main beef with Sakura. If she just owned up to being nothing but a good looking dozen, I literally wouldn't care and I suspect many other people wouldn't either.
But this girl has been constantly crying about wanting to "be taken more seriously as a talented kpop idol" since the first episode of Produce 48, throwing the entire jpop industry under the bus in the process. This was SIX years ago!!!
She has pretty much built her entire fanbase outside of Japan on the idea that she is some kind of "underdog with potential" in quest of self improvement but clearly does none of the work.
"She wasn't provided with any vocal training while in AKB48, Iz*one or Hybe" they say...
Boohoo, isn't she a grown woman and literal multimillionaire? If she is supposedly working so hard, why was she waiting for a vocal coach to just fall into her lap, even though she can just be proactive and look for one on her own?
I long stopped being moved by Sakura's tears, because considering her delusions of grandeur conbined with her apparent laziness, to me, they just come across as an attempt to manipulate her audience.
What she is seeing now is the consequences of her attitude for the past 6 years. She has just completely exhausted most people's reserves in underdog sympathy points.
Also, her fanbase for the past 6 years has taken any excuse to make digs at a 13-19 year old kid who is actually working hard at her job and it's pissing me off.
@@SabrinaRodi her "hardwork" is not evident, if you are not getting better than theres something that you have to change to improve. and im not a hater of her nor do i wish she would leave the group but its definitely fair for fans or onlookers to feel disappointed with how the group performs. if you pay so much money to go to a concert where the person cant sing, wouldnt u feel disappointed that the person you support so much doesnt care about the quality of her work? and obviously she might have a fear of singing but if thats the case whats the point of being a kpop idol where performance is so huge, she had so many years to get vocal training or look for different trainers to help her and she didnt, so now this is the outcome she gets :/ i do hope that she can come back confidently with singing and will work hard to improve
@@yooyeonie If you're not a fan or a hater, what's your motive for being here? Do you really have time to waste on content you're not invested in? Why keep dragging this issue? At this point its de-humanising, the amount of hate spewing at le sserafim. Sure, it's fair to expect a good performance when you pay for a concert, but everyone who’s attended live shows (myself included) has only had positive things to say! We need to remember that idols like Sakura are under immense pressure, and improvement isn't always linear. How can you say she doesn't care about the quality of her work? If you follow their journey, it's clear they all care deeply. Just because progress isn't immediately visible doesn't mean she isn’t putting in the effort or that she doesn’t care about her craft. Growth takes time, and setbacks are part of the process. If you don't have the 'empathy' or time, then stop supporting them. Simple.
When i watched the documentary, i found it incredible that they would rather keep performing and filming even with deteriorating health. When it reaches those levels of better performance over health, i think that can be dangerous, but it shows their dedication to perfecting their craft. Just hope they get all the rest in the world, because so far this year has been a lot for le serrafim
Justice for Sakura....i fucking hate people so much
these days i saw a article where k-netizens were saying how much they missed sulli and how lovely she was..... like.... they were non stop hating her to the point she was crying on live asking people to stop and NOW they miss her?? these people have no self conscience, they do inconsequential things and get surprised with the consequences.
It's probably the k netizens who weren't hating on her
We tend to forget one thing as fans. The documentary of Lesserafim proved again that not only haters caused the girlies to be in this state.
SOME Fearnots kept comparing them with their colleagues like IVE, NMIXX... etc. calling them untalented and bullying other fandoms which means every other fandom were actually waiting for the things they said like "Yunjin clears all your Vocalist" or "Sakura is good for someone coming out from Japan/J-Pop" and once all of that bragging wasn't real, it backfired.
It's true that in 2022, Lesserafim were part of the few girl grouo that sang live, but their vocals never were on point, but Fearnots and hybe kept pushing them.
Yunjin's words saying she wanted to change the industry were twisted by her own fans and even her talent (she's not an opera singer). They kept saying she would or she is when, in fact, she just began. How can she when her "family" is not letting her the time to and are already shoving her name in every people's mouth. Like the : "At Lesserafim can sing live".
It clearly came back to them cause every other girl group actually sang live better than them : Ive at Lollapalooza, for example. And Lesserafim played the victim cards with apology and middle finger on stories cause they know how dumb fans are and it's not first time that everytime Lesserafim are in a controversy, fans defend them and five days later, Lesserafim use the same made up excuse to base on and say "do not judge" when their actions are more than simply problematic.
They just don't care. And they learned how to not care. Hybe is to blame even more. Those girls are/were not good mentally even though Hybe and their fans claim that they have a therapist and psychologist on site. They used their pain as content for pity even though it looks like those girls are showing signs of imposter syndrome feeling ungrateful and unworthy.
Hybe is acting all nice by saying "you can stop if you're tired, don't push yourself" when in fact, those girls spent years with Hybe toxic management so it's not in their genes anymore to sop when they are tired. Those girls starved themselves too under Hybe's management. They clearly were made to not say no or not or feel like a disappointment.
Hybe debuted those girls only with 4 months of training as a group, when usually groups take 2 years to train and figure out what sound is best for them. It's good we share a light on haters cause some of them really want to end Lesserafim, but at the end of the day, Hybe and Fearnots have more influence on those girls than anyone else. They are the one who make think Eunchae will be ugly in a few years, not the contrary. The documentary was a media play, and the excuse they had was the previous documentary they made for antifragile.
But where was the red line ? What did we learn about the documentary? Where were Kazuha and Chaewon in the documentary? What makes them different from other idols ? Cause we literally learned nothing from it, and Lesserafim will be the first victim and first one to suffer the hate train.
sometimes I wish kpop fans could just like see idols as people cause being surrounded by such an intense hatred is just suffocating for me like can't we just enjoy what these idols try to put out and If the make a mistake THEN THEY MADE A MISTAKE I sweat kpop fans should turn their hatred to idols who genuinely deserve it cause I swear when Sakura has like one voice Crack it's like she suddenly became a serial killer
I’ve seen some people hating on her for crying because “she chose that job” and “she should have expected hate because every idol recieves hate” like babes that’s not normal to receive hate for doing your job. She probably chose to be an idol because she wanted to perform and entertain people, not because she wanted to get hated on. The amount of hate she got in NOT normal and should NOT be expected so don’t give me that “it’s her job” “every idol receives hate” BS.
i'm gonna say it, kpop stan never care about the vocals at all. Le serafim has a good encore and they recently even gained praised by knetz because of live performance and yet people still find a way to hate on them. Why can't they just accept those girls has improved lile what you want but you still hate on them more. And to say even there's someone on twitter posting a clip of the members singing saying it's bad but then they admitted the girls actually sounds good and they chose the wrong clip to post. The hate is so forced at this point, and let's talk about how mostly if another company group is singing bad they will be like "it's just an encore" "they have a bad day" where was the same energy with le sserafim, illit and jimin when you all threw a hate and insult on them? It's so fucking annoying when some of them also praising le sserafim's coachella's performance but after a few month they turn up against them just to hop on the hate train. These people are sick and disgusting. Also those people always use the same old clip when the girls has improved like yall want and it shows the hate is forced at this point.
I hate ppl that hate on any group you can not like them but it’s insane that ppl think so that’s ok
I do feel bad for her and she doesn’t deserve hate but one part of me fails to feel sympathy for her since she’s been crying over the same thing for two years now and by a part of me i obviously don’t mean a big part only a really smart one but its not like it happens every practice it only happened during one. The hate train isn’t that shocking to me since the Kpop community loves to find a new punching bag every year. And to the people saying “They only made this documentary to get people to feel bad” which i dont belive cause this has been in the works for so long. Sakura is a really good performer she just needs to focus on her vocals a bit. I hope the hate train calms down soon cause they do have talent i mean they used to sing live a lot as rookies they all have talent they just need a bit more training. And I agree with you their coachella performance wasn’t the best but not as bad as some are making it out to be. Also one last thing most of the hate that yunjin is getting for drinking Starbucks are from people who Stan other idols who did the same while they dont hold them accountable.
My thoughts too. It makes sense why Sakura had less lines and that’s okay. She has other strengths that adds to the group. Fans just want to find someone to hate and Sakura is an easy target. Same with Yunjin like let’s be for real even if she didn’t have a Starbucks cup there are other means people are unwittingly paying for this Isreal war especially if ur American
@@markigirl2757 Real like all of ur tax money if you are American is going to funding Israel if you really want to make a change then go and donate to Palestine.
Yaayy we finally have ur vid❤🎉
These same people that are saying heartless things to these girls are going to be the same people who say “we should’ve protected them 😔” if they end up hurting themselves. Taunting Sakura for being terrified to sing in front of people knowing they were the ones targeting her and the other members pisses me off so much. I have never wanted to slap someone through a screen so bad until I saw those comments. Why do so many “fans” have to be like this?
I love your takes, you somehow manage to say exactly what I have in mind about these situations! It's crazy seeing people telling sakura to get more vocal lessons under videos of her getting them, making me wonder if these people hating even saw the documentary or did they not pay attention or did they basically just hate-watch it.... I'm starting to be concerned of the lack of empathy
Wony would be proud of you for the beginning part 🤭
3:54 No because this is so well said. Like those haters never see in the idols POV and just pick on them for "not doing their job right." Most of those haters are unemployed sad immature adults that have nothing else to do with their life than hate everything they see.
It's so rare to find humanity and empathy on the internet nowadays, thank you for shining a light through all the hate! ♥
People who hate on this group don't want to see them as human so they can be horrible to them and that's what sick. They tell themselves their commrnts don't matter but forgot they receive thousands of comments like theirs own.
I have a video on that LE SSERAFIM documentary dropping tomorrow. It's... heartbreaking.
Wait u watch Natasha???
Did you catch my editing mistake? ;)
It is OK to like or dislike anything or anyone because people have different taste and preferences. But to criticize something you should understand and have knowledge about it. Example: if you don't know about vocal technique, you cannot say someone have bad vocal technique. But you can say you don't like the way someone sing. So your judgement is subyective. When Kakao CEO manipulated SM stock price (he arrested by the police), SM caught to paid influencers to make bad opinion about Hybe. According to Kpop shock channel, the hates train to Le sserafim and Illit organized by Chinese company. So, who did pay you?
@@anistardiGurl she was asking if you saw the editing mistake💀
Not if you could create an essay
It's not their fault.The company failed them since debut (garam situation). Let's be honest, the only members that we can consider singers in the group are Chaewon and Yunjin, and this is not the other members' fault. Like Kazuha was a trainee for like what 4 months before debuting?Do you actually expect a girl who has NEVER sang in her life to pull off a high note flawlessly? She was already struggling to switch dance styles after practicing ballet for YEARS. For Eunchae, she was literally 15 and put in the wrong environment. As we know, the debut of Le Sserafim was rushed becuse allegedly mhj kept pushing back the meetings to form and debut NewJeans back in 2021 (i dont really remember), and since lsrfm included both Sakura and Chaewon (former IZ*ONE members) it's common sense that they were gonna be the first to debut. Speaking of Sakura, yes i know she's been in the industry for years but she NEVER recieved proper vocal training, and the rushed re-debut didn't help at all. If the company really cared about them and they would have actually paied attention to the hate they recieved because of that easy encore, they would have never let them go to Coachella.
Source Music was banking on two izone members in the group would translate to massive profits like IVE and rushed it and they are paying the consequences. The girls don’t deserve the hate I wish fans pushed the criticism to the company. Especially when they aren’t any better then most shitty K-pop companies
@@markigirl2757source was in enormous debt cuzz of mhj nj debt that she left w source. Never paid back. So the second team s aka LE sserafim needed to debut fast to try to cover that deficit. Kkura first actual proper vocal training and first actually Korean class was source. Produce and izone didn’t really train them. So right now ur seeing how she is learning how to sing proper as well as zuha and eunchae. Kkura natural voice is shaky as well.
Ergo if being an idol to u is just singing then why isn’t Ariana grande, Beyoncé, Mariah Carey idols? Being an idol is more than singing.
Being an idol is singing/dancinf / stage presence/performance, fan service and so much more. To me idc if an idol debuts in a group and their not 100 in every category. I love seeing them improve. Hell theirs a reason their in a gg because each member in a group fills a hole another member maybe lacking. So each member balances each others weaknesses out.
Hell that’s what Kim sejeoung said as a judge on that one idol survival show.
THIS. People seem to completely forget that Hybe literally out no care into their training and just debuted them as fast as possible but the fans think it's just blind hate and just refuse to accept this valid criticism
Agree, but I'd also like to mention their mishandling of Yunjin too! She is a trained classical singer and very good at it, but hybe never bothered training her in modern pop vocals which can be very different... so she gets shit on for her live vocals now too.
@@parawolfwolfsbane9524 yeah i know. i just focuses on they're singing because that's what they're being criticized about. Their performance/dancing/ stage presence/ fan serving are top tier skills.
earlyyyy ! i love ur vids u eat them up every time
Ahhh thank you so much darling 😭😭💕💕💕💕
people are fucking bullies, its all or nothing. its either some people baby their idols or shit on them every chance they get its infuriating. yes, sakura is not the best vocalist out there but should she be bullied for it? no, its not the end of the world. sakura is in a shitty cycle, people expect her to perform badly causing her to lose confidence which DOES make her perform badly giving haters what they want, confirming their bias. instead people should give their criticisms logically while at the same time not discrediting her efforts, she still works hard but anything she does is laughed at, i would also breakdown for "doing my job" if doing my job gets people to tear me apart.
I love your videos sooo much, I find your view on kpop soo refreshing and NEEDED. The only thing is the bg music gives me a headache, which sucks because I looove your channel and would love to be able to watch several videos of yours but I can´t because of it. Still, I´m here for your opinions, always so respectful and tasteful :>
Everyone acknowledges how toxic and grueling the idol industry is: unless you don’t like the idol, then it’s actually an easy job and they just need to stop complaining and try harder.
So many netzens spew so much hate to the point it’s like why are you even a K-pop stand if you constantly bash a group or a member of a group who’s either talented, working hard, isn’t up to their unrealistic standards in appearance/performance. If you don’t like them then don’t watch them but you do and then make horrible comments like talk to a therapist or write it down on your notes app vent out the so called opinion somewhere else that isn’t directed to the idol/group especially when you try to claim it’s an opinion or criticism when it’s literal hate.
I agree with your video but also understand people frustrated she been in the industry for 13 years half of her life for what even after the first documentary Sakura has still the same vocal problems I feel like people think that she isn't trying hard enough or she doesn't really care. That's why i blame the company because they not looking into what the really problem with Sakura vocal skills is. This worst time to release the documentary because know people will think that Sakura is crying because she wamts empathy from people.
I personally couldn’t care less if someone is a celebrity or not. If someone has privilege or not. None of that matters when it comes to people’s humanity. Of course there are some celebrities who are just out of touch, but even they are still human beings. I’m so tired of people saying that all bets are off for famous or rich people and thinking that they can just say whatever they want about them or laugh at their misfortune. Cause it honestly just makes you a bitter a-hole 🤷♀️
증오의 대부분은 mhj 가 고용한 역바이럴 회사의 계정들이 대부분 이고 mhj의 이러한 행동은 계속 회사와 분쟁을 일으켜 주가가 오르지 않아 다급한 하이브가 new jeans를 하이브가 싸게 팔아 mhj 본인이 소유하도록 유도하기 위함입니다.
I feel like Sakura was so much happier in iz*one and HKT48 and I feel like she should think about going back to jpop. Sometimes I think about what If she was in ive since the royal concept fits her a lot more then lessraefim concept
IVE songs are way more demanding vocally than Le Sserafim songs so it would have been worse. Staying in jpop would be much better
@@salembejaoui1880 I would love to see her in jpop again and she would have done amazing in jpop since she was in HKT48 and iz*one so she would have a really strong fanbase and not get so much undeserved hate like she does now