The brand new Segway Ninebot F2 Pro would easily blow the F40 and the rest of the listed scooters out of the water combining the reliability/durability of the Max G30P with its 10-inch tubeless, self-sealing tires, with the portability of the former and the added front suspension and the significantly increased power of the new Ninebot Max G2! Not to mention, it travels at a fast 20 mph top speed!
Paul, if you feel the G30 ancient, that Zero 8 platform used by Emove and Fluid is downright prehistoric…I bought my Max a month ago and for the price, you can’t get any better except by the Kqi3 max, which is often on sale.
Outstanding and Informative video (as always). I'm not a fan of the MAX mainly because of its folding mechanism. However, the one advantage it still has (its super power) over the others - is that replacement parts are plentiful and mostly affordable. When a scooter reaches that level of success, parts are very easy to get. Mods are also everywhere too. But, it definitely is an old, boring, bulky design (that was never really cool to begin with). Lots of new competitive models from other companies.
I agree with the mods - I have mine for 2 years no problem and added everything I wanted . I know they are many new ones that come with what I added but mine looks different and it’s still fun
They are a very plebeian scooter, having said that, they are bulletproof, maintenance-free, and supremely reliable. I still consider the ninebot max pound for pound the best scooter on the market for most people.
I"ve been learning on my Ninebot F40 from my youth of skateboards and 25 years riding motorcycles. It's quite portable and decent endurance. I'm ready for suspension, indicators, keylock, speed and distance. I'm eyeballing the Apollo Phantom. 3 times the price, 3 times the fun.
Thanks so much for the great information. I’m hoping to see reviews specifically focusing on lightweight scooters with removable seats. I was wondering if you plan to do such reviews in the future. I have a Ninebot Max G 30 as well as an Inokim Quick 3 both of which I got a year and a half ago. They are solid and reliable, which is the most important factor for me. Also, I really enjoy the locations shown on your videos. I’m a resident of Berkeley now and have lived in Emeryville in the past. It’s fun seeing my hometown.
I bought Navee S65 for $599! Top speed at 20mph, 40 miles range, dual suspension, 25% incline, 10-inch self-sealing tubeless tires, IPX5 and foldable. There are 2 things I don't like: 1) only have a rear disc brake. 2) heavy at 53.5 pounds
There are so many scooters I got decision paralysis trying to get my 1st. I went with the Ninebot Max as it seems like a known quantity and has enough range to get me to and from work even with the hills around me.I guess the main thing for noobs is to start!
Hello. I had the same problem. And i find HX X9 PRO MAX .... THEY have 3 batery packs i chosed yhe 36v 20.8 ahm. In a feu days i will become it and make a revieu!
I like the OKAI NEON PRO and NIU KQi3 MAX for range and acceleration. I wish if they had a suspension system just like the short-ranged sluggish APOLLO AIR 2022.
The thing you get with the max is reliability tho. You get a reputable brand and a product that is out in the market for 3 years and has a shit load of riders, the vast majority reporting it’s a tank. The community is huge, you can buy spare parts for dirt cheap, mod it plus if you get it from warehouses importing directly from the factory, you can get it for prices lower than any of the other scooters you showed (people in europe could buy it for 500€ new during 2022, now it is 600€, still crazy good value).
Brilliant video 😎 I was hoping the inmotion S1 would be in the list I just received the latest version Absolute beast on the hills After 16 miles at 15mph I still had 45% battery I'm 220lbs lol
Track record is definitely something the Ninebot has going for it. Unfortunately, folks who are happy with their scooters never start a Reddit post about it. I’m sure some of the accounts are accurate, but if they were all taken as typical scooter behavior, it would be easy to convince one’s self to never buy any scooter. -Paul
The new Apollo Air 2023 must be the new, worthy rival to the Ninebot Max G30P! Superior in every way, shape and form including tubeless, self-healing tires only except the battery capacity and that's it! Please update this video!
Pretty decent comparison but you didn’t mention the other scooters reliability compared to the max, tbh that’s the main point I was hoping to find on this
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide wow really? They've been on sale most of the year in Australia. Went on sale here in New Zealand a month or so ago. Strange that nobody is doing them in the US, not even ewheels who do stock Inmotion EUCs. They really are a fantastic upgrade from a Max.
@@JamesFaction Yes, they're far more available in AU/slow to expand and be available in the west. Also insider tip: we may or may not be reviewing the S1 ;) - Chase
NIU, because Xiaomi has a history of selling a ton of scooters and then disappearing from the US for 3 or 4 years. Honestly, though, we haven’t tested the new Xiaomi yet. I think we might have one here in the box. I should open it and see exactly which one we have. -Paul
Good to see you again! Thank you so much for subscribing and for sharing! We really appreciate it. I feel like TH-cam pays a lot of attention to shares and links coming in from other places! -Paul
Will you guys review the inmotion escooters at any point? The inmotion s1f is a very popular escooter in my city and they just released the inmotion air pro and inmotion hillclimber this year. Thanks and I appreciate the reviews on other escooters I just feel inmotion is being slept on.
Thanks for the heads up. I watched the video and read about it a bit, but we decided not to include it because all evidence points to the launch not happening until Summer 2023. -Paul
@@nepaliprayasgurung2594 I don't know much about dualtrons, but from what I hear they are top of the line! A little out of my price range unfortunately
@@MicahLowther You get what you pay for and you should buy what you want or what you can afford. Dualtron are kinda expensive e-scooters but not crazy expensive they make their scooters with solid build quality and have good perfomance, range and mileage. For the price!
Ty so much for the vid. Getting my Niu Max in two days and cant wait. Owned a ninebot max for a year and sold it several months ago needing some extra cash. Thinking I was always gonna go back to the ninebot max, I cant believe how many nice scooters are iut there that rival it. Ordered my Niu Max on amazon for $850. Couldnt pass it up.
Thank you for your comment Lex G! You'll love the KQi3 MAX. I've been riding it almost every day since I finished testing a few weeks ago! Having an extra couple miles per hour is really nice! The brakes are amazing, you just need to be careful not to over brake. To me, it's like an "expert mode" ninebot MAX. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thats all awesome to hear and thanks for the advice on the breaks. I can imagine. But super stoked to hear that the couple more mph I will be getting makes a difference. Was wanting 25-28mph but rhats a rare speed to have with these scoots. Maybe a jailbreak in the future haha. But cant wait to see your review!! Ill be subbing now
I honestly kinda hate my KQI 3 Max now. No suspension, terrible customer service, and badly designed app are just some issues I have with it and the brand. I'm probably going to pickup a Segway p100s depending on deals.
Wow! InMotions S1 is getting a lot of interest! You're the third person to ask about it. We've got an InMotion i9 at ESG headquarters, but haven't tested an S1 yet. We're working on getting our hands on an S1 to test! Thanks for commenting. It really helps us figure out what folks are interested in, and clearly we should take a look at the S1! -Paul
I have been looking at several scooters for the last week or so and I've narrowed it down to a few choices. You've reviewed one of them, but not the other two. I'm interested in the Fluid Freeride Horizon, Kugoo Kirin G2 Pro, and Yume S10. Although, you have not reviewed them, I was wondering if you knew anything about them and, if so, what your thoughts are. Thanks!
kugoo and yume rebrand the same stuff you would find on aliexpress. when it comes to electric its best to stick to known brands. for a newbie better get the ninebot, its known to be tough. yes no suspension but its gonna last the longest. you also dont probably live in USA where theres easier access to electric scooter repair shops, so take that into consideration.
@@truthseeker6804 I actually do live in the US. Now, I'm actually looking at the Kaabo Mantis 8. Figured I would most likely want to upgrade in the future, so invest in something I will enjoy for a long time.
I’m in need of a scooter for work. When I started the search I decided it was going to be the Ninebot Max but the problem is my weight, 120kg. So I suppose that’s going to be the Emove Touring, cause I don’t find more suitable scooters for this range of weight 🤔
The G3 Plus is great, but definitely a budget scooter. Shorter range, but relatively light. With 9.8 miles of tested range, the G3 plus isn’t in the same range class as any of these 18 to 20 mile range scooters. -Paul
So I just got my kiu max in today and assembled it. I went through the tutorial and in my custom mode I have it set at the max speed at 38 km/h (23.4mph). But for some reason I’m only able to go 21 mph. Is it because my battery is at two bars only? I weigh 180 so that shouldnt be too heavy. I’m wondering if anyone else is having this issue other than that it’s a great scooter and a very quality ride.
Hi Lex, Having only 2 bars will impact top speed a little. We tested the NIU KQi3 MAX to have a top speed of 22mph on flat ground with a 165lb rider when fully charged, so 21mph with 2 bars of charge sounds consistant with our results. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide turns out it needed a full charge. Hitting 22-23 flat. Got to 25 downhill and 15-20 uphills. Very happy with it and its a smooth ride too.
great vid. I’m looking to upgrade my Ninebot Max G30. Mainly due to the lack of blinkers and suspension. I’ve been thinking about the Kugoo Kukirin G2 Max or the Ninebot P100S. Can you recommend any of these?
Everyone wants more mileage and faster charging, I'd imagine, the Air 22 looks pretty good, catching up to the Ninebot max but the 40mile range has been the same for years. 😎
Some day I should really try riding the G30 in a slower mode, on flat ground and see if I can squeeze out 40 miles. Our G30 with a Gen1 motor covered 28.1 miles averaging 14.5 mph, but our G30 with gen 2 motor only covered 21.6 miles averaging 15.6 mph. We used the numbers for the Gen 2 in the video, since it's not possible to buy a new G30 MAX with a Gen 1 motor now. -Paul
We had a max G30 it did 18 miles The manufacturers always quote double what the actual range is I have inmotion S1 Manufacturer says 59 miles Actual ranges is 32
I hear the g30 max may be more reliable or durable. I've seen a lot of people complain about the tires going out, honestly on Amazon they were a ton of bad reviews whereas everywhere else I saw pretty much only good reviews about the kqi 3 Max. Looking for a scooter for my wife, I have the Segway G2 max, was thinking of getting her either the kqi 3 Max or the g30 Max. What would you recommend?
I think every scooter on this list except the emove touring and FFR horizon is worthy of dethroning the ninebot max. The build quality of these NIU, OKAI Anyhill scooters is superior to both of those. Also, the tire size at only 8 inches is way too small and riding a scooter with 10 in tires (even without suspension) is more stable and safe. I used to have a touring and the small tires + OK build quality proved to be its downfall after 1000 miles it just started having a ton of issues. Heard similar stories about the horizon. Would be nice to see a touring or horizon redesign with 10 in tires, similar build quality to the Apollo air and maintain the suspension. Also with the introduction of tubeless tires, having a rear solid tire is just unnecessary as tubeless air tires are the best.
The new VMAX VX2 Extreme now counts as the ultimate Segway Ninebot Max G30 alternative on steroids! Everything the old Ninebot Max G30 has without any downsides or maintenance requirements whatsoever except for its tubeless tires not coming with sealants but that can easily be resolved by adding FlatOut! You get vastly improved range, speed, performance and build quality!
I have a question tho what the difference between ninebot max g30LP , ninebot max g30E II , ninebot max g30, ninebot max g30L and ninebot g30LE please answer me because i want to buy one and there are alot of scooters out there
Hi guys I really appreciate your Chanel and your review. I think I’ve made my decision to go for Ninebot KickScooter MAX G30P . Do you all think it’s worth it for city commute? I live in NYC. I’m really want something to get around safely and reliable. Thoughts?
Really really appriciate your expert review ! ESG🔥 I bought NIU kqi 3 pro that was my first scooter Loved it..after few a months i had to return it back cuz it couldn't start, got money back now I'm just wondering what to buy next 🙃 Ninebot 30d MAX or NIU Max ..i have been on your website back and forth just looking for PROS AND CONS 😀 for both Ninebot MAX and NIU Winter is up on us ! ( eu) I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOU OPINIONS on which is best during WINTER AND RAIN season between NINEBOT MAX AND NIU PRO OR MAX?
I don't know what information you have on ninebot max, but none of the scooters described by you beat the range on it. I do easily 60 (and it is advertised at 65 range) km with one charge
The advertised range of scooters means very little, which is why we test them all. We tested all of the scooters the same way: 165 lb rider on our test loop from 100% charge, until they stopped going and we had to push them back to home base. It makes sense that the Neon Pro in particular, went so much further because it has a much larger battery than the Ninebot MAX. -Paul
My Ninebot Max died and I bought another one recently (like new but 2nd hand). I believe it's the only one with built in charger and support external 5A charging.
Dear Rider Guide, Thank you! Great video & content. I subscribed a while ago because i am saving for a scooter. Rented one in San Diego and have been in love with the idea of owning one. Many on the market and so appreciate your reviews and the viewer responses. Thank you again!!
The biggest problem with obscure brands is the repair. You either become your own mechanic or throw it into the trash as no one wants to repair them (no experience or stocked parts).
I own a G30p. Great scooter overall. Also just picked up a couple E-scooter X9 plus. Really solid scooter with long range removable batteries. Would love to see you review them. I have a Hi-boy S2 max being delivered today. Curious how it measures up. My goal was to have 4 long range scooters for my family to use.
@@weinerzoran9716My apologies. Didn’t see the comments come in. I’ve been getting 30 plus miles with ours. Very solid scooters. Heavy for sure. Good brakes but noisy. How is yours doing?
I feel they are similar but the Hiboy is a little more comfortable to ride, handles a tiny bit better overall. Range is similar. The G30 is great. You can’t go wrong with either one. They are both heavy cruisers that will go for long rides. Both have good drum brakes.
Could someone comment what would be the best scooter with an easily detachable seat - and hence great portability? Or a scooter with seat that doesn't detach - but you can ride either sitting or standing? Thanks. 😀
hey Paul can you guys cover the used market on why low value. I bought mine used for 279 vs. 699 retail. I'm looking to upgrade and sell mine and it's selling about that used even though lits less than a year old
Great questions. Almost anything used, on Craigslist is going to be half of retail because of the additional risk of buying used. Unlike with a used video game console, with a scooter there’s also the question of how hard it’s been used, whether the battery was left for long periods of time in a
I spent a lot of time with ES4’s when I ran repair warehouses for scooter sharing companies. For me, the clacking front suspension and over all ride quality are what keep me from being able to recommend them. -Paul
The seated scooter? We have one, but I’m not sure if it’s the Pro or not. We haven’t fully tested it. The one in the video is the ES30 Neon Pro. It’s not out yet though.
Ah, you’re the second person to ask about this one, Daimen! We have an Inmotion I9 on-hand, but haven’t tested an S1 yet. I’m hoping to get my hands on one in the next 3 to 6 months (the testing calendar is already packed through December!) -Paul
I literally just bought a ninebot Max and now I'm returning it in less than 1 hour box still sealed. Picking up the KQi3 Max instead. Thank for providing the best scooter reviews on TH-cam!
Of course, the biggest G30 alternative is the new MAX G2! Check out our new MAX G2 review! -Paul
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The brand new Segway Ninebot F2 Pro would easily blow the F40 and the rest of the listed scooters out of the water combining the reliability/durability of the Max G30P with its 10-inch tubeless, self-sealing tires, with the portability of the former and the added front suspension and the significantly increased power of the new Ninebot Max G2!
Not to mention, it travels at a fast 20 mph top speed!
Nah! I’m still getting the Ninebot Max G30p soon and I can’t wait!!!! I sold my Onewheel and am looking forward to having this one instead! 😎👍🏻
Enjoy! Thanks for watching. -Vosk
Paul, if you feel the G30 ancient, that Zero 8 platform used by Emove and Fluid is downright prehistoric…I bought my Max a month ago and for the price, you can’t get any better except by the Kqi3 max, which is often on sale.
agreed. all others were not 'better' than the G30 imo except the Niu
What do you guys think about the Okai Neon Pro? It’s got the longest range and it’s the least expensive. -Paul
Is the kq3 better though? The water resist from the ninebot takes the edge imo
Where can you get the Okai Neon Pro?
I love my g30, wouldn't trade it for any of the other single motor models I've seen yet
Outstanding and Informative video (as always). I'm not a fan of the MAX mainly because of its folding mechanism. However, the one advantage it still has (its super power) over the others - is that replacement parts are plentiful and mostly affordable. When a scooter reaches that level of success, parts are very easy to get. Mods are also everywhere too.
But, it definitely is an old, boring, bulky design (that was never really cool to begin with). Lots of new competitive models from other companies.
Great point! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
I agree with the mods - I have mine for 2 years no problem and added everything I wanted . I know they are many new ones that come with what I added but mine looks different and it’s still fun
They are a very plebeian scooter, having said that, they are bulletproof, maintenance-free, and supremely reliable. I still consider the ninebot max pound for pound the best scooter on the market for most people.
I"ve been learning on my Ninebot F40 from my youth of skateboards and 25 years riding motorcycles. It's quite portable and decent endurance. I'm ready for suspension, indicators, keylock, speed and distance. I'm eyeballing the Apollo Phantom. 3 times the price, 3 times the fun.
It’s a good scooter! Thanks for watching.
-Vosk
theres a new segway max 2 coming out called Segway-Ninebot G65", research on that. with suspension. thats about it.
Thanks so much for the great information. I’m hoping to see reviews specifically focusing on lightweight scooters with removable seats. I was wondering if you plan to do such reviews in the future. I have a Ninebot Max G 30 as well as an Inokim Quick 3 both of which I got a year and a half ago. They are solid and reliable, which is the most important factor for me.
Also, I really enjoy the locations shown on your videos. I’m a resident of Berkeley now and have lived in Emeryville in the past. It’s fun seeing my hometown.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. Stay safe.
-Vosk
I bought Navee S65 for $599! Top speed at 20mph, 40 miles range, dual suspension, 25% incline, 10-inch self-sealing tubeless tires, IPX5 and foldable. There are 2 things I don't like: 1) only have a rear disc brake. 2) heavy at 53.5 pounds
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
There are so many scooters I got decision paralysis trying to get my 1st. I went with the Ninebot Max as it seems like a known quantity and has enough range to get me to and from work even with the hills around me.I guess the main thing for noobs is to start!
It’s really hard to go wrong with the Ninebot MAX. It will go down in history as one of the all time greats! -Paul
Hello. I had the same problem. And i find HX X9 PRO MAX .... THEY have 3 batery packs i chosed yhe 36v 20.8 ahm. In a feu days i will become it and make a revieu!
I like the OKAI NEON PRO and NIU KQi3 MAX for range and acceleration. I wish if they had a suspension system just like the short-ranged sluggish APOLLO AIR 2022.
Yep suspension is definitely a factor for sure! Thanks for the feedback. -Vosk
Look at inmotion S1 😎
The thing you get with the max is reliability tho. You get a reputable brand and a product that is out in the market for 3 years and has a shit load of riders, the vast majority reporting it’s a tank. The community is huge, you can buy spare parts for dirt cheap, mod it plus if you get it from warehouses importing directly from the factory, you can get it for prices lower than any of the other scooters you showed (people in europe could buy it for 500€ new during 2022, now it is 600€, still crazy good value).
Reliability that is for sure! Thanks for watching. -Vosk
Its over 900 with tax in the states. Great scooter but hard pass. Just ordered the Niu Max.
*Ninebot F65* 40mile range, 19mph, 265lb capacity. 450watt motor. ABS brakes. Turn signals. Wide footboard.
Seems like a good value for sure! -Vosk
Thanks for the video! I appreciate all you do for the PEV community.
Thanks so much Robert! -Paul
Compared to the max all those alternatives are junk. Just slap on a 48v mod on any max and everything else eats shit.
Thanks for the feedback!
Will you ever cover ebikes, eskateboards, and other forms of PEV? Wish there were channels like you that cover those topics
Thanks so much Kyle! We’ll get there. I think ebikes will come first. -Paul
I wish for the same.
Thanks for the feedback. We’re listening :-) -Paul
Brilliant video 😎
I was hoping the inmotion S1 would be in the list
I just received the latest version
Absolute beast on the hills
After 16 miles at 15mph
I still had 45% battery
I'm 220lbs lol
Awesome! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
I'm here because I've ordered Max G30E II like 30 minutes ago. :D I hope it will serve me right.
Awesome! Enjoy your new scooter. -Vosk
Check reddit and TH-cam comment sections. Some of these have better reputation than others.
Track record is definitely something the Ninebot has going for it. Unfortunately, folks who are happy with their scooters never start a Reddit post about it. I’m sure some of the accounts are accurate, but if they were all taken as typical scooter behavior, it would be easy to convince one’s self to never buy any scooter. -Paul
Etwow gt sport. 950 with coupon. Super fast. Great suspension. Long range. Ultra portable.
Yep it’s an excellent scooter for sure!
-Vosk
The new Apollo Air 2023 must be the new, worthy rival to the Ninebot Max G30P!
Superior in every way, shape and form including tubeless, self-healing tires only except the battery capacity and that's it!
Please update this video!
Noted!
Pretty decent comparison but you didn’t mention the other scooters reliability compared to the max, tbh that’s the main point I was hoping to find on this
We will be more in detail next video! Thanks for the feedback. -Vosk
Disappointed you did not include the Inmotion S1, it beats the Max in every way also.
We have an Inmotion I9, but have never tested an S1. Hoping to get my hands on one soon! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide wow really? They've been on sale most of the year in Australia. Went on sale here in New Zealand a month or so ago. Strange that nobody is doing them in the US, not even ewheels who do stock Inmotion EUCs. They really are a fantastic upgrade from a Max.
@@JamesFaction Yes, they're far more available in AU/slow to expand and be available in the west. Also insider tip: we may or may not be reviewing the S1 ;) - Chase
Which is recommended between Niu KQi3 Max and Xiaomi 4 Ultra and why?
NIU, because Xiaomi has a history of selling a ton of scooters and then disappearing from the US for 3 or 4 years. Honestly, though, we haven’t tested the new Xiaomi yet. I think we might have one here in the box. I should open it and see exactly which one we have. -Paul
already subbed, but I shared and pasted into my blog and facebook.
Good to see you again! Thank you so much for subscribing and for sharing! We really appreciate it. I feel like TH-cam pays a lot of attention to shares and links coming in from other places! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide NC. And I am on your website trying to create a job. Don't know if Its the right fit, but..What the hay!
Excellent video! The web needed a video just like this
Thank you so much Kris! -Paul
Will you guys review the inmotion escooters at any point? The inmotion s1f is a very popular escooter in my city and they just released the inmotion air pro and inmotion hillclimber this year. Thanks and I appreciate the reviews on other escooters I just feel inmotion is being slept on.
We will take a look! Thank You.
-Vosk
theres a new segway max 2 coming out called "Segway-Ninebot G65", research on that. with suspension. thats about it.
Thanks for the heads up. I watched the video and read about it a bit, but we decided not to include it because all evidence points to the launch not happening until Summer 2023. -Paul
I find my wolf warrior x to be a great long range commuter, maybe sometimes a little overpowered for it though 😂
Such a great scooter! Still one of Chuck’s all time favorites! -Paul
I'm planning on buying Dualtron City it has great 50 mile range and 43mph pretty fast top speed.
And swappable battery!
@@nepaliprayasgurung2594 I don't know much about dualtrons, but from what I hear they are top of the line! A little out of my price range unfortunately
@@MicahLowther You get what you pay for and you should buy what you want or what you can afford.
Dualtron are kinda expensive e-scooters but not crazy expensive they make their scooters with solid build quality and have good perfomance, range and mileage. For the price!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide what happened to Chuck??
Ty so much for the vid. Getting my Niu Max in two days and cant wait. Owned a ninebot max for a year and sold it several months ago needing some extra cash. Thinking I was always gonna go back to the ninebot max, I cant believe how many nice scooters are iut there that rival it. Ordered my Niu Max on amazon for $850. Couldnt pass it up.
Thank you for your comment Lex G! You'll love the KQi3 MAX. I've been riding it almost every day since I finished testing a few weeks ago! Having an extra couple miles per hour is really nice! The brakes are amazing, you just need to be careful not to over brake. To me, it's like an "expert mode" ninebot MAX. -Paul
We'll have a full review out on the KQi3 MAX soon!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thats all awesome to hear and thanks for the advice on the breaks. I can imagine. But super stoked to hear that the couple more mph I will be getting makes a difference. Was wanting 25-28mph but rhats a rare speed to have with these scoots. Maybe a jailbreak in the future haha. But cant wait to see your review!! Ill be subbing now
How much did you sell your Ninebot Max?
I got an offer on the Ninebot Max for $600 but I'm considering to get the KQi3 Pro at the normal price. Which one is better?
We like the Niu! The Segway Max is a little dated. -Vosk
I honestly kinda hate my KQI 3 Max now. No suspension, terrible customer service, and badly designed app are just some issues I have with it and the brand. I'm probably going to pickup a Segway p100s depending on deals.
Those scooters are not in the same league to be honest! -Vosk
just saying that my g30 max scooter can sometimes drive up to 65 km at battery life
This is D vid I've personally been looking 4 so I definitely THANK ALL Y'ALL...👍🙉 I don't qualify 4 job...
Thank you! -Paul
Surprised you didn't add InMotion S1 to the list.
Wow! InMotions S1 is getting a lot of interest! You're the third person to ask about it. We've got an InMotion i9 at ESG headquarters, but haven't tested an S1 yet. We're working on getting our hands on an S1 to test! Thanks for commenting. It really helps us figure out what folks are interested in, and clearly we should take a look at the S1! -Paul
After watching this video i like my scooter than the other ones Ninebot max🙋
Awesome! Enjoy your scooter. Stay Safe.
-Vosk
I have been looking at several scooters for the last week or so and I've narrowed it down to a few choices. You've reviewed one of them, but not the other two. I'm interested in the Fluid Freeride Horizon, Kugoo Kirin G2 Pro, and Yume S10. Although, you have not reviewed them, I was wondering if you knew anything about them and, if so, what your thoughts are. Thanks!
Go with the Horizon V2! It’s an excellent and reliable scooter. -Vosk
kugoo and yume rebrand the same stuff you would find on aliexpress. when it comes to electric its best to stick to known brands. for a newbie better get the ninebot, its known to be tough. yes no suspension but its gonna last the longest. you also dont probably live in USA where theres easier access to electric scooter repair shops, so take that into consideration.
@@truthseeker6804 I actually do live in the US. Now, I'm actually looking at the Kaabo Mantis 8. Figured I would most likely want to upgrade in the future, so invest in something I will enjoy for a long time.
@@Lyndon1117 if you live in the US then easier choice. kaabo and vsett are very good. avoid those yume and kugoo. all the best.
I’m in need of a scooter for work. When I started the search I decided it was going to be the Ninebot Max but the problem is my weight, 120kg. So I suppose that’s going to be the Emove Touring, cause I don’t find more suitable scooters for this range of weight 🤔
Emove Touring is an excellent choice -Vosk
I’m in!!
Thank you for the chance to win an electric scooter.
I appreciate your generosity and the chance to win.
You're in! Good luck to you. -Vosk
Is this one better or the gotrax g3 plus
The G3 Plus is great, but definitely a budget scooter. Shorter range, but relatively light. With 9.8 miles of tested range, the G3 plus isn’t in the same range class as any of these 18 to 20 mile range scooters. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks for the reply Paul. Love the channel
So I just got my kiu max in today and assembled it. I went through the tutorial and in my custom mode I have it set at the max speed at 38 km/h (23.4mph). But for some reason I’m only able to go 21 mph. Is it because my battery is at two bars only? I weigh 180 so that shouldnt be too heavy. I’m wondering if anyone else is having this issue other than that it’s a great scooter and a very quality ride.
Hi Lex,
Having only 2 bars will impact top speed a little. We tested the NIU KQi3 MAX to have a top speed of 22mph on flat ground with a 165lb rider when fully charged, so 21mph with 2 bars of charge sounds consistant with our results. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide turns out it needed a full charge. Hitting 22-23 flat. Got to 25 downhill and 15-20 uphills. Very happy with it and its a smooth ride too.
do you know if a newer version of the ninebot max will be coming out this year?
We do not yet! If we hear anything we will announce it. -Vosk
Subscribed, Thank you for all your informative videos
Thanks so much for the kind words!
-Vosk
Could you please review this Escooter, please? ICE Q5 evolution max.
We will try!
Apollo Air is beautiful
15000 km. Still strong with custom firmware for 10000km
Will you be reviewing the Segway F65?
Possibly in the future!
great vid. I’m looking to upgrade my Ninebot Max G30. Mainly due to the lack of blinkers and suspension. I’ve been thinking about the Kugoo Kukirin G2 Max or the Ninebot P100S. Can you recommend any of these?
We should be testing more affordable scooters in the near future!
Why is it that fronts don't go flat but rear tires do?
Because most of the weight is on the rear tire! -Vosk
Everyone wants more mileage and faster charging, I'd imagine, the Air 22 looks pretty good, catching up to the Ninebot max but the 40mile range has been the same for years. 😎
Some day I should really try riding the G30 in a slower mode, on flat ground and see if I can squeeze out 40 miles. Our G30 with a Gen1 motor covered 28.1 miles averaging 14.5 mph, but our G30 with gen 2 motor only covered 21.6 miles averaging 15.6 mph. We used the numbers for the Gen 2 in the video, since it's not possible to buy a new G30 MAX with a Gen 1 motor now. -Paul
We had a max G30 it did 18 miles
The manufacturers always quote double what the actual range is
I have inmotion S1
Manufacturer says 59 miles
Actual ranges is 32
Max G2D on top
What about the II version of the Ninebot Max G30? Does it destroy them all?
Yes it does! G2 geni.us/SegwayMaxG2
I hear the g30 max may be more reliable or durable. I've seen a lot of people complain about the tires going out, honestly on Amazon they were a ton of bad reviews whereas everywhere else I saw pretty much only good reviews about the kqi 3 Max. Looking for a scooter for my wife, I have the Segway G2 max, was thinking of getting her either the kqi 3 Max or the g30 Max. What would you recommend?
KQi3 max is great choice!
What about Vsett 8? I'm thinking speed and suspension.
We have not tested that one yet!
-Vosk
I think every scooter on this list except the emove touring and FFR horizon is worthy of dethroning the ninebot max. The build quality of these NIU, OKAI Anyhill scooters is superior to both of those. Also, the tire size at only 8 inches is way too small and riding a scooter with 10 in tires (even without suspension) is more stable and safe. I used to have a touring and the small tires + OK build quality proved to be its downfall after 1000 miles it just started having a ton of issues. Heard similar stories about the horizon. Would be nice to see a touring or horizon redesign with 10 in tires, similar build quality to the Apollo air and maintain the suspension. Also with the introduction of tubeless tires, having a rear solid tire is just unnecessary as tubeless air tires are the best.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing.
-Vosk
The new VMAX VX2 Extreme now counts as the ultimate Segway Ninebot Max G30 alternative on steroids!
Everything the old Ninebot Max G30 has without any downsides or maintenance requirements whatsoever except for its tubeless tires not coming with sealants but that can easily be resolved by adding FlatOut!
You get vastly improved range, speed, performance and build quality!
Thanks for the feedback!
amazing machines, thanks for the chance and keep on the nice job :)
Thank you! Good luck with the giveaway! -Paul
Paul is the E-scooter review Einstein.
Thank you so much! I’m putting my Physics degree to good use! :-) -Paul
You.are best.greats from Holland
Thank you so much Mar Kart! -Paul
I have a question tho what the difference between ninebot max g30LP , ninebot max g30E II , ninebot max g30, ninebot max g30L and ninebot g30LE please answer me because i want to buy one and there are alot of scooters out there
They make them for different regions in the world!
Awesome!
Thank you Coley Playz! -Paul
Hi guys I really appreciate your Chanel and your review. I think I’ve made my decision to go for Ninebot KickScooter MAX G30P . Do you all think it’s worth it for city commute? I live in NYC. I’m really want something to get around safely and reliable. Thoughts?
The streets are a little rough! We would recommend a scooter with a suspension! -Vosk
I was against the ninebot max until I saw its mod friendly!
It sure is! -Vosk
Why do you never mention the Segway F65! I would love to see you review I want to buy, but not sure if I should.
We have not tested that scooter!
Max is only 600$ at my motor sports shop.
Hey ESG 👋🏽 how come you guys haven't reviewed the Inmotion S1 yet?
We will take a look! Thank You -Vosk
Really really appriciate your expert review ! ESG🔥
I bought NIU kqi 3 pro that was my first scooter Loved it..after few a months i had to return it back cuz it couldn't start, got money back
now I'm just wondering what to buy next 🙃 Ninebot 30d MAX or NIU Max ..i have been on your website back and forth just looking for PROS AND CONS 😀 for both Ninebot MAX and NIU
Winter is up on us ! ( eu) I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOU OPINIONS on which is best during WINTER AND RAIN season between NINEBOT MAX AND NIU PRO OR MAX?
Both are excellent choices to be honest!
-Vosk
I don't know what information you have on ninebot max, but none of the scooters described by you beat the range on it. I do easily 60 (and it is advertised at 65 range) km with one charge
The advertised range of scooters means very little, which is why we test them all. We tested all of the scooters the same way: 165 lb rider on our test loop from 100% charge, until they stopped going and we had to push them back to home base. It makes sense that the Neon Pro in particular, went so much further because it has a much larger battery than the Ninebot MAX. -Paul
Just bought the ninebot max for $600 brand new. Did I make a mistake?
It’s a good scooter! Enjoy & Stay Safe. -Vosk
My Ninebot Max died and I bought another one recently (like new but 2nd hand). I believe it's the only one with built in charger and support external 5A charging.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
I can't seem to find any review on the Minimotors Dualtron Mini on your site? Could you tell me if you have any reviews on it?
We have not reviewed that scooter!
Dear Rider Guide, Thank you! Great video & content. I subscribed a while ago because i am saving for a scooter. Rented one in San Diego and have been in love with the idea of owning one. Many on the market and so appreciate your reviews and the viewer responses.
Thank you again!!
Awesome! Thanks so much for the kind words. -Vosk
The biggest problem with obscure brands is the repair. You either become your own mechanic or throw it into the trash as no one wants to repair them (no experience or stocked parts).
Repairs can be difficult! Having a good mechanic nearby is a major plus.
-Vosk
Would you think that the new apollo air 23 would be a better option than max g2
Yes we would take the Apollo city 23! You can grab $50 off with code RIDERGUIDE
I own a G30p. Great scooter overall. Also just picked up a couple E-scooter X9 plus. Really solid scooter with long range removable batteries. Would love to see you review them. I have a Hi-boy S2 max being delivered today. Curious how it measures up. My goal was to have 4 long range scooters for my family to use.
Great to hear! Enjoy your new scooter and stay safe. -Vosk
Hello. I orderwd yesterday a X9 36v 20.8ahm and i am verry curious what range i can make with it. What about your milage? Thank you my friend
I have several friends that ordered the Hiboy S2 Max I just ordered the Segway Max G30P, could you sum up the differences you found between them?
@@weinerzoran9716My apologies. Didn’t see the comments come in. I’ve been getting 30 plus miles with ours. Very solid scooters. Heavy for sure. Good brakes but noisy. How is yours doing?
I feel they are similar but the Hiboy is a little more comfortable to ride, handles a tiny bit better overall. Range is similar. The G30 is great. You can’t go wrong with either one. They are both heavy cruisers that will go for long rides. Both have good drum brakes.
Could someone comment what would be the best scooter with an easily detachable seat - and hence great portability? Or a scooter with seat that doesn't detach - but you can ride either sitting or standing? Thanks. 😀
Some scooters have a option to add a seat , many people enjoy this feature.
-Vosk
hey Paul can you guys cover the used market on why low value. I bought mine used for 279 vs. 699 retail. I'm looking to upgrade and sell mine and it's selling about that used even though lits less than a year old
also can you cover why the new builds are getting heavy in design vs. light wait.
Great questions. Almost anything used, on Craigslist is going to be half of retail because of the additional risk of buying used. Unlike with a used video game console, with a scooter there’s also the question of how hard it’s been used, whether the battery was left for long periods of time in a
Any use Molicel P42a?
I’ve not heard of any mass-produced scooters using those cells yet. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks Paul!
- Saki
FYI the g30 is a boat load of fun at any decent sized skate park
Yes it’s a excellent scooter for sure!
-Vosk
If you had to pick one scooter for long range, reliability, and speed. What would you personally pick and why?
We really like the build quality of the Niu Scooters to be honest. -Vosk
My max has done 4000 k’s30 km an hour TopSpeed and I’m 107 kg just goes to show if you hack the max it will do everything these do better
You should definitely have a look at this scooter Solar ff 2.0
It’s in our future plans! -Vosk
3400 km/2 years, 102 kg, no problems! 😍
Amazing! Glad to hear it. -Vosk
Yooooo
Hi Teddy123!
-Paul
what was the biggest positive upgrade form the horizon version 2 from the 1st one that you found. more comfortable? faster? built better? etc..
Our video should be coming out on it in the near future! -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide awesome, i cant find any videos about the horizon version 2. only the version 1, so im really wondering what to expect
I wish to get one👍👍👍👍💯
Hopefully you can one day!
An ES4 with an extended battery rivals the max.
I spent a lot of time with ES4’s when I ran repair warehouses for scooter sharing companies. For me, the clacking front suspension and over all ride quality are what keep me from being able to recommend them. -Paul
I am very intrigued by the OKAI one! It shows everything is out of stock tho. Hopefully the Pro version of the Neon comes out soon!
It’s coming out very soon! We will have a whole review about it shortly! -Paul
Hi Cesar, the Neon Pro will be available on Amazon and Best buy soon. Stay tuned.
wat about okai es pro?
The seated scooter? We have one, but I’m not sure if it’s the Pro or not. We haven’t fully tested it. The one in the video is the ES30 Neon Pro. It’s not out yet though.
What is your opinion on the Vsett 8 single motor?
We have not tested it but it’s decent!
-Vosk
No mention of the Inmotion s1? To me it’s better than the max
Ah, you’re the second person to ask about this one, Daimen! We have an Inmotion I9 on-hand, but haven’t tested an S1 yet. I’m hoping to get my hands on one in the next 3 to 6 months (the testing calendar is already packed through December!)
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide good to hear man. It’s a sleeper gem! So durable with excellent range!
Okai neon pro smashes all
Good scooter for sure!
I literally just bought a ninebot Max and now I'm returning it in less than 1 hour box still sealed. Picking up the KQi3 Max instead. Thank for providing the best scooter reviews on TH-cam!
Why the Inmotion S1 didn´t make it to the list?
We have not tested that one yet!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide once you, you will definitely have to make an update to the list ;)
BTW Theres a follow up to the MAX G30, the MAX G65.
Check Joyor scooters
Thanks for the recommendation! -Paul
Great review, very informative
Glad it was helpful!
Segway wins! Flawless victory!
entered
Good luck Allen! -Paul
Hello
Greetings! -Vosk
great
Thanks so much! -Vosk
Excellent!
Thanks for the kind words! -Vosk