The thing I'm not seeing much of here is: There are many, if not all, government agencies that live to grow in any way possible. Be it scope, staff, etc... ultimately it's about a bigger budget and more power. They actually pay staff to search out any possible opportunity for such things. Why do I mentions this ? Because we are in an election year. And one important thing to compare is one candidate lives to grow government, spend more money, and increase governmental control of every aspect of We The People... The other while President made a rule about bureaucrat regulation in in government agencies, whereby any agency trying to create a new regulation, had to eliminate two existing regulations first. I think it's very relevant to what you are experiencing here... Think About It !!!
Ok but none of what you are saying is actually relevant, because RemoteID was created by legislation, not by regulation. Congress passed a law that required the FAA to make RemoteID, and the President signed that law. Now, I will give you a big gold star if you tell me which President signed that law. You guessed it. It was Trump. And do you know which party controlled the House at the time? Republicans. And do you know which party controlled the Senate at the time? Republicans. I don't give a crap who you support politically, but don't kid yourself that "one side hates your freedom and one side supports it." The very law you are citing as evidence that Democrats are bad was passed by Republicans. P.S. here's the law, if you don't believe me: www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4 In addition to that, Trump assigned a new Administrator of the FAA, simliar to how he assigned new heads of various other federal agencies. As you suggest, his goal was to use his executive power to limit the enforcement of rules he disagreed with. Did he tell the new Administrator not to enforce RemoteID? Nope.
@@charleshamilton6555 Yes it is. Hopefully, with the mandate to deregulate, our toys will be a lowhanging fruit. We didnt legalize weed by following laws. Honest. I posted this before he said it.
Then you need to use BlueMark modules. They allow you to disable a parameter that makes them invisible to consumer smartphone apps. Other modules probably allow for same, but I’d stay away from DroneTag modules as they also sell Karen apps - so it’s conceivable that they might not be too interested in shielding their module users from the app users, idk.
I am a retired police commander from Calif. You are exactly right, local law enforcement will not be able to enforce these FAA rules and regulations. Here is why 1. Training and cost = It takes time, training and money to effectively train law enforcement officers before they can go out and cite or properly enforce any penal code sections. Example of this big city have dedicated traffic officer trained in the use of radar. There is a certifying agency Police Officers Standards Training or POST that dictates the training and other qualifications a traffic officer must have prior to writing a citation based on radar or lidar technology. 2. Departmental needs and obligations- In todays busy LEO environment we are strapped for officers. An officer taking time out of his/her day to train and then enforcement of these policies has to be prioritized. We literally rate calls by priority by assignment of numbers. This would not be a priority call and most likely by the time the officer arrived on scene, the person would be gone. We know this and before responding dispatch may have a higher call waiting. 3. Procedural confusion- Drone laws are very vague and ambiguous. Currently I have heard of no remote ID related citations or serious events that have been addressed. Officers just do not know the law and have not been properly training on how to enforce these FAA rules In summary as I have stated on many youtube channels before hobby operators are not in jeopardy of any enforcement violations. Go out and have a great time. I would caution those who have illegal intent in mind one thing. It will only take a few major incidents to have all the remote ID and more policy and procedures come to bare, if you abuse and act carelessly everyone in the hobby will have to pay your price for ignorance. FYI
I'm a sponsor at my highschools model aviation club. I will be there for these kids no matter how hard the FAA tries to stop these kids from becoming the next aviation engineers. I love the enthusiasm they have for this hobby. And will do all I can to feed it.
@@modquad18that’s complete bullshit if you want to complain about drones you would need to be flying your planes at a level so close to the ground you would be more concerned with hitting trees than drones so it’s bullshit to add a 70 dollar module to your drones that dosnt even interact with the currently in place systems
@@tanker7757 But they’re capable of flight way beyond that level. Go sub-250 with the kids, not worth the obvious and significant stress this is causing you.
@@modquad18if I rember that’s already banned so why would people be doing that why is remote id needed here also planes can’t detect remote id beacase they use adsb
I heard someone say, “Hey, how about RID for firearms .” Now that would be smart! When was the last time you heard of drones creating mass shootings in high schools or anywhere else?
@@excellenceinanimation960 ive been out of airsoft for a while, but even when i was a kid things like taking the orange tip off of the "firearm" was very frond upon and there's a lot of people who are just scared of airsoft guns in general, just like people who think we should ban real guns cause they "look scary". Then there's people who think airsoft guns should be illegal because there are some ways to modify upper receivers (and some lower receivers don't even need modification) to fit real firearm parts to shoot real bullets which scares people just like new york trying to regulate 3d printers cause they *might* be able to print gun parts. Just like everything its ignorant people in position of power to make ignorant decisions based of *feelings* and not fact
My biggest gripe with the rules as written is broadcasting the location of the pilot and having that data available to anyone with a smartphone. It's just not safe for multiple reasons and intrusive with no logical reason behind why the data is needed. Automobiles have been involved in way more accidents, fatalities, and injuries and yet we do not broadcast the location of our automobiles to add "safety and security" Well spoken and my hope is the overreach and overregulation will find its way to the media and the right people will see it and see how overly burdensome is for the risk factor of our rc aviation hobby. Great video Joshua.
To preface this I agree with the sentiment and conclusions. However, if you can make the argument there is the potential for abuse of the information, therefore bad. Then the government can make the same argument for the use of drones. They can be abused therefore bad and need regulation. The potential for something is never and should never be considered enough by itself. So again I am against remote ID because its based on a false premise that because drones can be abused there needs to be a law against it. I am also against arguing that for personal safety remote ID is bad because the information can be abused. Privacy is not inherently good by itself, it is only good in a world where a lack of privacy means abuse. In a perfect world people who don't want the government or karens knowing where they are; are crazy people. I think any party, government or citizen who is concerned of the potential harm something could bring needs to actively demonstrate that said potential harm is of a high enough probability that it outweighs any good said thing can bring. Without hard data the default position should of course always be do not infringe freedoms. You should be able to do whatever you want whenever you want however you want so long as it does not affect someone else's life.
I think my issue with this point is... You don't need to be 18 to fly a drone... So.... broadcasting this GPS location to anyone... could be broadcasting the specific location of a minor and I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that there are several states that have laws in place about that.
The fact is the US government abuses their authority constantly, in all areas of life and they are never letting up. The NSA has been swallowing US internet data for years. Snowden brought it to light and what happened…the politicians turned on him. Not enough Americans care about this or that to change anything. The best anyone can do is try to operate within the law, but be prepared for problems.
Logical reason 1: creepy people who use drones to spy or intrude privacy; by forcing broadcasting of pilot location you know who is flying the drone and who is responsible. Logical reason 2: the drone crashes and causes damage; by publishing user info you know who is responsible. et cetera
@@nocare "false premise that because drones can be abused there needs to be a law against it." So any dangerous tools should not be regulated simply due to the potential of being dangerous? Are you also against car safety regulations such as airbags and seat belts? How about FDA food regulations to ensure spoiled food is not sold? Regulation prevents problems before they occur, because we have insight that the nature of certain situations can cause problems.
Having spent my entire career in aviation and heavily involved with the FAA I can almost assure you that this topic is at or near the enforcement bottom for the FAA….You are spot on!!! I would bet that the FAA wishes this didn’t exist but they were mandated by some uneducated bureaucrat and must at least jump through the hoops!!! I strongly AGREE with your intended course of action !!
as a HAM i will never understand or forgive the way they violated rules for 5G knowing DARPA was using that frequency for WEAPONS. everyone who propagates radio waves is required to check for harmful interference. they knowingly allowed harmful radiation to be emitted for money. simple as that sickening.
I would imagine similar to the FCC's interest in some guy on his CB. Even pushing illegal power, they just don't waste their time going after some guy yelling breaker-breaker.
I can't speak for all, but I can tell you as a former police officer and current fpv hobbyist, they generally couldn't care less about people flying drones unless someone is doing something overtly illegal, stupid or unsafe. Most don't even really understand what it is because they are too busy with day-to-day cop stuff. Walk up to any cop and ask them if they know what a remote ID module is and I bet most wouldn't have a clue. Just be smart and be safe...my 2 cents
I am glad you made this video and spoke about RID on your live streams. You are the “go to guy” for us to get our information and listen to your opinions. Thank You.
On the 4th we went to a neighborhood party because my daughter has been hanging out with the kids in the neighborhood. One of my neighbors is apparently a Statie and after we saw a camera drone fly over us we got to talking about RC and RemoteID; his recommendation was to just keep flying. Like you said he doesn't have the time, nor the desire to worry about some weird federal regulation about toy planes.
Thats your buddy on a day off, what we fear is the jerk cop looking for trouble by any means necessary. Even if nobody acts on it, we cant rosj having it in the books for technical harassment.
@@cyberoverkill5844 A jerk cop looking for any means necessary has dozens of other avenues to harass you without involving federal laws. It would be way easier to claim that you might be trespassing or disturbing the peace of they want to harass you. Edit: Furthermore they literally can't do anything to you for breaking a federal rule, they can't enforce federal rules they, can only refer those cases to the relevant federal agencies(this being the FAA).
@@CDRaff true, reasonable cause can be found elsewhere, I'm just saying that I dont want them to keep it in their back pocket as a way to get you in trouble. What I fear even more is the standardization of it, and how if a cop sees you flying, they'll say "licence and RID please" and if you dont have it, you get ticketed.
So nice to see that cowards have opinions. If you won’t risk getting in trouble to oppose a terrible rule then go away. I am willing to have a risk if it moves the needle in the right direction.
@@cyberoverkill5844 Then have it. It isn't that hard. This is like people complaining about providing voter ID; it really is not hard to have proper paperwork if you are doing an important activity.
The app thing is what scares me. I already have 1 neighbor that as soon as he hears a drone, he leaves and goes and hunts them down every time, harasses them, films them, and calls the cops. Cops have told him many times theres nothing illegal going on. I already had to file a restraining order on him because of all the harassment and stalking. Now if he's able to just get the specific gps coordinates of everyone flying... Ugh...
@@fuglong Noone said brandish, carry to prevent a physical assault from a lunatic. Also in my statement open carry is legal but I concealed carry. You obviously don't know anything about firearms.
I don't like how the AMA is handling it. MultiGP forces you to have an AMA membership, but the AMA does nothing for FPV. That is a decent chunk of money they are getting for dues.
Follow the money. AMA's membership revenue has been declining steadily for 20 years. In fact, they just raised dues again. Each time they do, within 2-5 years the revenue is lower than it was before the increase. They're doing everything they can to compel membership as a way to slow the losses.
The only good thing the AMA does is that they make it easier for event organizers like MultiGP to have insurance for the events, which I believe the reason it’s required. A necessary evil, so to speak. Trying to get liability coverage for something like multigp events is really expensive and difficult otherwise from what I’ve heard. If it weren’t for the insurance I don’t think many would bother with the AMA, but until there’s a better option we’re stuck with it.
@@nathan1sixteen Wrong. If you drink & drive, you are the bad actor every time because it's unsafe. You can non-comply but you are just as likley to be stopped as anyone else. RID puts a target on the good actors and obfuscates the bad ones.
@@SueMyChin People requested legislatures ti propose non drunk driving laws to congress . And it passed . Remote id is international control and profit from control by sneaking in dictated laws from the top down and never know that it is taxation without representation .
If your willing to risk getting caught, you could put a RID module to a local cop car near an airport and see what happens and if they can figure it out.
@@jasoncarswell7458 Your not gonna win this PR battle cant you see the end already?, it was always gonna end in a battle of regular citizens vs police and politicians, by the time the FAA regulated this thing its gonna be illegal to even take off on your own property
Every call from a regular voter represents ~10,000 like minded opinions. Ryan Seacrest said every call into his radio show in 2007 represented 25,000 like minded opinions. This is true across the board and instantly gets attention regardless of "what it feels like". If you can get 5 people per district to call in, that makes the issue a top 10 on that representatives radar. If you want to get their attention, you need to be a regular voter, and the more local/state/federal elections you are involved in, the more your call bears weight. So GET INVOLVED!!! Freedom isn't free. It will cost you, not just the soldier, something. You will either lose freedoms, or you will lose time... Your call. Great video as always @JoshuaBardwell
@@bwc1976 The issue with California aside from cheating from illegals, is that republicans tend to flee left wing areas so their vote is constantly negated by the refugee mode.
This is akin to putting speed trackers on cars, and sending a cop to your house to ticket you, for speeding….they’re requiring us to tell on ourselves, which is unconstitutional.
I normally don't comment, but you did a really good job on this video and I'm honestly impressed by the way you presented the information in a pragmatic and effective tone. Thanks for everything you do for the hobby!
Eloquently articulated Mr. Bardwell. Honestly, I have had more issues with people than with any law enforcement. Most LEO will actually approach you to ensure you are not being irresponsible. If you are not flying like an idiot and if you don't give them attitude, chances are they either leave you alone or sit there with you and just ask drone-related questions. I take that opportunity to provide them with educational knowledge.
Every officer I have talked with has a "no cares given" attitude as it's in a public park and we are not endangering anyone. It's actually kinda funny to talk with them about...they hate all the bs. Just adds to their already insane work load. Not to mention, I'm sure 95% of them don't even know the rules. 😂😂
I formerly worked for a federal regulatory agency (not FAA, completely different agency); in some states (in my experience, Texas), locals can essentially assert that a violation of a state/local law that is associated with a federal crime. You are correct, however, that feds (and even locals) lack the resources to effectively enforce this. That said, there are plenty of federal LEOs who are so petty that they will use law enforcement (and their relationships within law enforcement agencies) to their favor over the dumbest shit -- and sometimes at the will of their friends and people of influence (this is the more worrying part); it is one of the reasons why I left.
Have you told your story publicly? There aren't a lot of stories available from former cops about the problems with policing. One such story included a death threat from former colleagues, so it's not hard to guess why. From my perspective, US Police are a domestic terror organization (for example assassinating an anti-police protester Manuel Esteban Paez Terán a few months ago in Georgia) and crossing them is a dangerous act of service to the public. If you haven't come out publicly, fair enough. If you have, I'd love a link!
@@bumpty9830 the problem is that most of the issues that came up were not illegal, just ethically questionable or just childishly petty. Some bordered on violating internal policies or acceptable behavior. One such example is when the agent in charge had the car of a contractor (a plumber, electrician, or someone like that) towed because it was parked in one of our designated parking spaces (which, in the ten years that I worked there, were never completely filled. It was just a matter of inconvenience of having to walk an extra 8-16 feet to get to your car.). Another time, one of the agents complained that some people were launching rockets (eg. estes model rockets) at a nearby park. He described them as Middle Eastern (but it is likely they were Indian) and had a sheriff's deputy search their shit and escort them out even though nothing they were doing was illegal. There were more serious issues, but none that I would characterize as illegal -- other than maybe it was a complete waste of time or a way to expedite law enforcement because the federal court system is bogged down. The point is, even if you are following the letter of the law and know and assert your rights, surfing that line is a risk and a) federal law enforcement (eg. FAA) and locals DO work together and b) if you piss off the wrong karen or chad who knows a guy who knows a guy and the next thing you know, your phone and computer are being imaged and all of your equipment is being seized.
Understood, @@styloroc2000. Saying the police follow the letter of the law is exactly like saying the 9-11 attackers followed internal Al Qaeda policy. Cops are racist, classist terrorists, and these are more good examples.
This is why I always come back to you! It’s just the best info out there. I’ve gained a lot of clarity over this. I’m one of those who won’t comply, because I fly 2 1/2-3” drones around my property, and my neighbors don’t mind. But I fly airplanes and drones down at my neighborhood marina with the owner, and we’re adjacent to a state park, so I think that will affect me. The rangers have been watching, but as long as we stay over water, and not over park, they don’t bother us. This will change I’m afraid. They don’t like the owner. Lol. Thanks for the great video
I went semi viral recently on instagram because people thought I was an alien. But the amount of hate I got , literally my life being threatened was overwhelming, most of the hate was from Karen’s who simply don’t understand at all what we’re doing and thinking I am somehow looking in depth at their personal property. But this past Fourth of July weekend I had a lot of airtime and was approached by potential Karen’s every few minutes , instead I pathched them in on my extra pair of Fpv goggles and took them for a ride , instant converts . I appreciate so much of what you do here, but we all need to be making sure these people are “going to learn something today”. Thanks J.B your the best!
As with a lot of things, it is ignorance that is the problem. Maybe a better idea than goggles would be the screens you can get, that way multiple Karen’s or just interested people can watch. I also don’t get why people think their lives are that interesting that people are going to come and look in their windows with drones. Just a drone being in the area does not mean it is looking at you or your property. A drone flying about the park is probably less likely to be looking at you than kids playing in the park are.
I'm thinking of running a display so people can simply look at a standalone screen when/if they are approaching me. I've never seen a person not instantly be interested or change their opinion the second they see the footage I've been recording.
@@AdamWeatherall I wasn't on about anything like a projector or that, just the smaller screens people sometimes use rather than goggles. It is definitely something that a lot of people would enjoy but most people just don't know how to get started.
@@conorstewart2214 I still agree with you any way we can show our experience is a good thing. But I find the best most immersive experiences are when someone actually straps the goggles on is all I’m saying. All options are good 👍.
@@conorstewart2214 most if not everyone at some point in their life. (and some for their entire life) will suffer from main character syndrome. they are not like everyone else and the only reason you exist is to somehow interact with them. that said. i do not believe even for a second that anyone would even notice a drone in the air during the 4th of july. so yet another bullsh*t comment
I was cited by a rogue officer and beat the case. We hired two attorneys, one aviation and a criminal attorney thanks to support from Trappy and the community. Once I said I wanted to go to trial it became a criminal offense and was looking at 12 mo in a federal prison. Officer lied on a federal document and the case was dismissed. You're right it doesn't matter.
It is unfortunately a matter of time before someone flying legally with no bad intentions gets attacked or worse, killed by someone who simply looked them up on the app. When this happens it will have been entirely predictable and likely not the single time it will happen. 😥
@@Thunderbyrd. People get emotional too, they hear a drone they assume it's spying on some nefarious act taking place to they are understandably annoyed but being then able to pinpoint a drone user (maybe not even the actual drone user but the closest one to them) is going to end very badly
Exactly that’s exactly why you should not comply because if you dont what are they going to fucking to do you? Absolutely nothing they arent they just can’t. Unjust unconstitutional laws we do not have to abide by the crap things that put you and your children in danger absolutely not. They still cant and wont regulate shit they will only regulate ones who submit to this remote id want. Its pretty simple to see that because then and only then will they be tracked and monitored by authorities public karens criminals and corrupt gov. If someone has in their head im going to comply then whatever i cant change their mind and nor can anyone else but i still think ifs ridiculous and to see how untrustworthy the gov is why do anything they want why pay taxes taxation is theft i mean i could go on on and on about the trash who represents our country
I love this video Joshua. Well balanced and reasonable video. Not telling anybody to do anything, but showing all sides of the discussion and instilling hope and unity. Thanks
Perfect article Joshua, thanks for making it so clear. Personally I'm completely done with all types of government overreach anyway. I never have and never will buy DJI or any manufacturer who forces compliance as they do. I think I have roughly over a hundred quads, hex's, planes and cars & trucks. Not one will ever see a remote ID module or the like. My opinion is everyone should just tell them to pound sand. If we would just realize that they could do nothing if we all just ignored them. I believe in reasonable laws, comply with most and have never been charged, accused or arrested in my 78 years. But they are completely out of control these days so they get nothing from me.
The first mistake was talking with the FAA as though they where gonna listen to the drone community. We need to remember this next time more rules come out. Our reaction unfortunately needs to be of outrage to fight even the smallest new rules.
That's unfortunately never going to be happen. Even the 2a community has barely just gotten to that point in the last 100 years. The Aviation community, by extension the rc community is all about safety and rules, and too small to not get steamrolled and will end up with people flying a 20 dollar drone in their backyard end up with federal charges
Well maybe this might bring kits and scratch builds back. If they can’t sell us ready to fly aircraft, then buy the parts and build it. I’d love to see more aircraft kits and plans again.
THANK YOU for bringing up what the community did back in 2020 and prior to get RID changed and explaining everything up to this point. 👍 Many have been trying long before the recent parade of anti-Remote ID videos, and I think perhaps some newer people needed to hear the history. The community has tried long before the Remote ID campaign ongoing now, to do something to affect change. Myself, I was an AMA member for 2 years starting in 2015. I never used an AMA field, but I purchased the membership to support them fighting for me as a hobbyist. It was the "thing to do" to support the hobby. That ended up being a mistake, -- so I did not renew it, but that was my first move toward supporting advocacy. Also, I made videos back in 2018 when the FAA Reauthorization Act was passed and encouraged other reviewers to do so too. Congress's demand for a "remote identification system for drones" was spelled out there -- the exact specifics of it just had been left up to the FAA. To change that, we ALL did the "sign the NPRM thing", and wrote letters! I even got some neighbors and those from my prior community college STEM program involved. Eventually, I bought an FPV-FC founding membership for $75 to keep up the legislative battles and advocacy. And there are tons of others who all followed the same footsteps. We have also tried to do the right thing and fly safely, register (I know, I know, not approved), and just be good ambassadors for the sport. WE have all been trying this entire time. As Remote ID is *basically* here, with actual hardware being approved and put on the market... the idea that FAA is just going to google for "remote id" see all of those... uh, videos... and just say... "OH ok, oops, I guess we lost and we're definitely going to change this now"... is naive. The time for real change at this point is slim -- UTM, RID, etc is coming, and it's OK to examine the reality of what compliance actually means, for those who choose to do so... at the end of the day, if you are a hobby flyer in a field, you will probably be ok.
@@bugsy742 Yeah -- people who fly the types of planes and fixed wing aircraft that are used at AMA fields really do stick to a single field and that's it. With huge helicopters and planes, some of them gas powered -- it makes sense to have a sanctioned field for that. It's a ton of noise, and you need a large area for them. Unfortunately, our local AMA group puts drones in the corner. Quads aren't explicitly welcome (they've got a "hover area for drone flying").
@@JohnCuppi that makes sense brother 👍🤝 Pretty much all flying clubs here in the U.K. had the same sort of discrimination, zero time for that sort of snobbery 😞🤗
_For now_ is the part your comment left out, and that's not good enough. It's not ok to ruin people's lives for something that poses no harm to anyone else.
A carefully thought out response we should expect from Bardwell. I love the fact that our community regard him as a leader because a fair, pragmatic approach is precisely what’s required to fit such a role. We need to stick together and try to understand each-other’s take on this complex issue. It’s normal to disagree with other community members. United we stand.😊
"United we stand"... true, we mostly do, but we mistakenly allowed ill-prepared, but well meaning leadership to head our cause in the beginning. We lost valuable time because of this, promoted our 'toys' as implements of death in a war we had NO business taking sides in, but should have done all to stop instead, through peaceful means.... and now here we are. It's a pretty gloomy place. Politicians pander to their constituency's most basic fears, and that is now: 1. They look into our houses!!! 2. They can be used to carry explosives! These politicians WILL fight for their re-elections. We are mosquitos to them.
100000% right on. Thank you for jumping in front of this freight train, but I agree with your general assessment that we're pretty much screwed if we don't fly at an AMA site. Keep fighting the good fight!!!
Good point, some Karen could look you up and attack you with your goggles down.. My question is do you need to give ID to see the drone & pilots location/ID. I think that should be mandatory.
O yeah! Great idea! If someone uses an app to find your location, they should also be identifiable trought that same app and show their location as well to everyone using the app.
I am an aircraft mechanic. I have only interfaced with an FAA inspector 1 time in the last 3 years. They do not have the number of people required to police this. The real threat is Karens.
Yeah and the unfortunate part is that some people will have more issues than others. And honestly if this happened or not, the Karen's of the world won't care about the FAA "rules" and take it into their hands regardless.
From what I read in the rules, there is requirements for what needs to be transmitted, but no requirement stated for how far it must transmit or be received. This way you can still have a module and comply with the rule, however the module won’t broadcast with a huge range.
Thanks for making this video- wish I had the energy to fight back right now. these new rules and regs adds this weird headache and dark aura over flying for me. I've been accosted too many times to feel safe with these rules. Been on my mind daily :(
We fought and won but it was stressful and mentally exhausting. Officer was caught lying on a federal document and the case was dismissed. We had to hire two attorneys one aviation and one criminal because once I wanted to go to trial I was looking at 12 mo in a federal prison. Thanks to Trappy and the FPV community we raised enough funds to beat the bogus case.
Thanks for this video, I've been studying for my part 107 for various reasons and also slowly making my way into the FPV world and I was getting worried but your words have given me hope.
Great points Joshua, we pilots still have more in common than difference. It's a shame that laws come from places that have no true understanding of a industry. You're right that it further effects the people who have been doing the right thing to make a living than would ever change the bad actors.
Mr. Bardwell, thank you so much for sharing this one with us. You are absolutely right in my opinion. We have to stick together and help each other no matter what. This hobby is something we should be enjoying without unwanted fingers being stuck in it and if you do it as a job, you should be able to do what you need to to make a living. Thank you sir for sharing you wisdom with us again. :)
You said a mouthful. Very eloquent and to the point, no mis-information. I am 78yo and my flying partner is 73yo. We are fortunate that we have not yet encountered the angry, aggressive person. It has been my pleasure to talk to and educate many folks where we fly. For the record I am a veteran of the war that we don't talk about( in the 60's). We have been flying drones for about 3 years. When the Avata came out we both got one. I am trying to learn to fly Acro. Got 70+hrs in the sim (Liftoff) and I can fly the 💩 out of it in the sim. No carry over to actual flight. My problem however then there is the lack of vision (yeah I've got a spotter) but things can happen rapidly. I currently have 2 drones, an Air 2s and an Avata. Both will or do have RID. I also have a Mini 2, I love it. So you are correct, we are all in this together so watch out for each other and remember you could be someone else's first line of defense. The current killing fields could easily expand to drone pilots, with little provocation
@miichaelhickey My appreciation to your service and sacrifice to the country from another military vet. *SALUTE* I am currently very much enjoying the hobby even if it's only as a person who enjoys the thrill of seeing something flying (out of curiosity and wonder) . I will soon , but not quite into the air hobby just yet. 😅😁👍
You've posted many many well thought out and intelligently presented videos over the years. This is among the best. Very very well put together and stated. Thank you
Our Local LE is more concerned with folks overstaying their parking spots. If i get my 107 AND i fly for a commercial project, the sure, i’ll comply. Otherwise… i’ll continue to fly where nobody cares/exists in a safe manner…
But you are not interfering with anything the FCC regulates. Sending Bluetooth packets in the 2.4Ghz band is entirely legal. And since the FAA decided to use a license free part of the spectrum, I think they would have a tough time regulating your free speech rights to broadcast only what they want you to broadcast.
It uses the WIFI channels which are wide open for a reason. So I doubt they would even know or care as long as you under the 4w max power for Wifi routing devices.
@@StevePinkham Xjet just did a video about this. There are basically catch all rules for not interfering or degrading radio communications. See clunky reference below. Check out: Title 47 - Chapter I - Subchapter A Part 18 - INDUSTRIAL, SCIENTIFIC, AND MEDICAL EQUIPMENT In 18.107 Definitions (B) Harmful interference. Interference which endangers the functioning of a radionavigation service or of other safety services or seriously degrades, obstructs or repeatedly interrupts a radiocommunication service operating in accordance with this chapter.
@@SueMyChin That does not hold in court if you ask me. When the article is about radiowaves, when they say "interference" they mean actual radio interference and not "interfering" with the system. It also doesn't endanger or interrupt any radiocommunication. If so that would mean you would never be able to fly with multiple people at the same time.
Joshua, what a well thought out and measured response to RID. I, for one, just hate that some moron could find me and harass me as I do my job. I sometimes find your videos have a bit of a harsh edge to them, but this one is absolutely pitch perfect. Now I'm gonna watch that RID spoofing video and fire up my soldering iron. Thank you for all you do for the hobby.
NAILED IT Joshua! You articulated this whole issue extremely well. Just a heads up there is a new RID Module (by BlueMark db20) that won’t get picked up by most off the shelf scanning apps. Also, FAA approved…haven’t heard much on it but might be worth checking out as well. Alien drones just did a video on it. Again, EXCELLENT JOB on this video! 🤟🤟
Isn't it just a matter of time before all apps will be updated to pick up this module as well. Regardless of the tech, it's about the principle. There is no justification for having to be tracked when flying for example a 251g foam plane below the tree tops when several more dangerous manned aircraft can be flown without similar restrictions, while posing a larger and proven risk for lives, property and other aircraft.
My neighbor works for FAA. Neither of us have remote id on our drones. LMAO. He said they dont have a budget to track people down or go investigate little jimmy doing powerloops on a tree. Who you need to worry about most is Karen. She will call the cops and start a pimple for you. So just pick good locations, and have fun!!
Great vid, JB. Thorough and well thought out. I'd argue that non-compliance is resistance. If the majority of people do not comply then the FAA have a dilemma, continue ahead and put unjust fines on people for non-compliance which we can play-on publicly. Or they can remove the part of the regulation that is dissuading people from compliance, namely the tracking of the pilot. Your speed limit argument is flawed as we all agree it's unsafe to speed in most cases, this is back-up by evidence that can be proven in court and in public discourse.
I just don't think they care about the public image of fining people. And I don't think the public will actually be on our side. The public is already freaked out about drones. The FAA will say, this scary drone pilot was flying in an unsafe manner, so we fined him. "IT'S LIKE A LICENSE PLATE IN THE SKY." And the majority of the public will eat it up.
@@JoshuaBardwell Maybe, but that will obviously depend on the scenario. If it's a tiny whoop flown by a child in their back garden how would that play out? We'll have to pick our fights.
One thing I'd like to point out about the concern of someone tracking you down from your broadcast ID is that this happened BEFORE remote ID. You can find videos of people harassing a pilot they see operating an RC. If someone sees you flying a vehicle and wants to harass you, they will do it regardless of RID compliance. I firmly believe the BEST WAY to be left alone is fly responsibly, use common sense and remember the old saying ... "just because you CAN do something (legally) does not mean you SHOULD"! Be careful where and how you fly if you're a hobbyist. The good news is that IMHO, 99.99% of the time, if you're not bothering anyone, most likely nobody is going to waste time tracking you down. Happy flying all! Great video! As always, Josh knows his subject well and explains it awesomely!
Joshua, the biggest issue I see is that this system is going to be a HUGE security breach... There are already ways to create 6 or more fake drone signals over any place, like an airport. This is going to be a huge mess and can affect even those who uses Bluetooth ear buds, because of the added noise. So... Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
First, I want to commend you for making one of (if not the) BEST videos regarding Remote ID. Thank you for it NOT being a RANT video. Those videos do NOT endear the general public to drones and FPV. Yeah, I have seen all the arguments against Remote ID and most lack substantive evidence to even be brought up. I have also seen A LOT of inaccurate and misinformation that most just make us look like ignorant, spoiled, cry babies. I also agree that most pilots will not even notice it, whether they comply or not. The ones who will get bit are the reckless ones. Plus, those that obviously violate the regulations, then flaunt it out on TH-cam. If you want to violate, fine, but don't plaster it all over public media. This is NOT going to be overturned. In fact, I look for the next rev of Remote ID to include a Remote Disarm feature. Let's consider some numbers: 53,000 respondents to Remote ID, 870,000 (plus) registered drones, 330,000,000 population in the USA. If you run the percentages, just how big is the resistance?? Really? Remote ID is here to stay. Now, as you mentioned, each of us just needs to determine where and how we fit in. As for the assortment of "spoofing", "shielding" and other methods to render Remote ID useless; THAT alone may turn out to really Bite us in the Arse. Yeah, do it while you can. One day, the ramifications for doing that might be harsher than just running Remote ID. In any case, each of gets to choose. The DRONE landscape is expanding extremely fast. Now, that might be what we refer to as "camera" drones, but drones nonetheless. I really doubt that the builder/pilot section expands nearly as fast. Yes, it is the idiots that make it bad for us and those are born every second. More and more, there will be a drone in their hands. The FPV builder/pilot is a lot like the street race of the old days. It was fun, it was dangerous, and you likely wouldn't get caught. Oh yeah, hi-power, often modified, V8 engines. SWEET. Well, those days are gone. Yeah, you still see the occasional hopped up "buzz" car, but things just are not what they once were. By the way, heaven forbid someone uses a drone to harm other people. You think it is bad now, that would really draw (the wrong kind) of attention. P.S. don't forget the DHS also has an influence.
6:20 not to mention that someone walking up to someone (even with a spotter present) introduces unnecessary stress and distraction to the pilot which might result in increased danger for third parties
Sorry if this has been covered, but if you have a DJI drone (for example), couldn't the software just not allow you to take off without a remote ID? I have an older model, and I don't use it very much, but the last time I used it I had to jump through a bunch of hoops to take off because of my location (semi-restricted - I forget the exact phrasing). It seems like the technology that makes these drones possible also makes them extremely vulnerable to meddling by the manufacturer itself. The same is true of electric cars and anything that utilizes internet connectivity.
I respectfully disagree. A second option is litigation... and in the US, litigation is accommodated whereas "non-compliance" may not be. Litigation will probably happen - based on any number of applicable factual details and/or legal concepts , including actual adverse impact, scope of regulatory authority or even Constitutional law. Be well.
Last week I took my Typhoon H for its last flight. There are no RID modules under $200, Where are the modules? The Yuneec pilot forums have gone almost quiet other than peeps trying to sell their hexacopters. This is a law that seperates Rich from Poor. I dont even know if I can legally sell it to buy a mini or something and if I can Im sure theres not much of a market for a large heavy hexacopter. HEY! BEZOS! send me an RID module! This is your Law, Help people out!
Joshua, I emailed the AMA with your concerns and this is their response. I have been an AMA member off and on for over 30 years and I continue renewing my membership even though I have not flown at an AMA field in over a decade specifically because they have always (IMO) used their resources to keep the RC Hobby as free from regulation as possible. In my years in RC is have seen far more people breaking basic rules of flight that are not AMA members than I care to count. Some of them have their Part 107 but still don't seem to understand the basics of flight safety. Here is their response. You may be unaware of the work we have done on Capitol Hill for our members and the FPV community in particular. Our government affairs team pushed hard to get Congress to write legislation that would clear up the previous ambiguity surrounding FPV operations. Prior to 2018, the FAA’s interpretation was that FPV could only be done with a Part 107 waiver, but our members have been flying FPV responsibly for many years and the AMA felt it could continue to be done safely. There are many provisions in the 2018 FAA Reauthorization Act that are burdensome for our hobby - but one of our victories was our language was included in the 2018 FAA Reauthorization Act to clarify FPV operations are legal when done within our safety guidelines, no Part 107 needed. During that fight, no other recreational organization was fighting alongside us. AMA was the only one fighting to ensure FPV operations could be done without the burden of testing and paying for a Part 107 certificate. The FAA will be reauthorized again this year. This is the first opportunity we have had to change the rules from the 2018 FAA Reauthorization. Our language includes relief for all operators, not just those flying at AMA sites. While we want to protect our members who do fly at a chartered club site, we are very aware that we have a very large number of members that don’t. We want to help all of our members and nonmembers as well. Believe it or not, we are incredibly invested in the future of the overall hobby, this includes all disciplines being operated anywhere. We agree that Remote ID is a burden on the hobby and have pushed back on it from the very beginning, but a large portion of the rule is being driven by the DOD, Homeland Security, and other security agencies. Unfortunately, that is a big hill to climb. Nonetheless, we will continue to climb it. We are not done pushing back on remote ID requirements, but it has been made clear to us that 2023 FAA Reauthorization is not the vehicle to make those changes. We have a fight we are facing now regarding FRIA designations and operations over 400’. I have been disheartened at the amount of people that have responded to our congressional campaign saying ‘I will not reach out to my representative because neither of those things apply to me’. When the time comes that we are contacting members of Congress regarding raising the registration threshold, it will be a shame if the other side then says they will not contact their representatives because they only fly aircraft that weigh over that limit and since it doesn’t benefit them personally, they won’t help fight the cause for others in our community. I find it disappointing when I see videos of people slandering AMA when I know all the work that we are doing in order to fight for the hobby overall. The drone community says we do nothing for them, while the fixed wing community says we cater to the drone community. We have spent thousands of hours educating members of congress and the FAA on our community, but still receive pushback regarding the safety and security of the airspace. And yet, I see no other organization representing the recreational operator to legislators on a regular basis. We don’t just go to them when we have a specific request, we go to share stories and the benefits our community has to offer. We maintain relationships with congressional offices across the country so when issues come up that impact our community, they know who we are. I’m sorry to hear you feel you have received no benefit from the AMA, but we’ll still continue to fight to reduce burdens on the hobby overall. AMA Director of Government Relations
That response seems only to confirm what JB said in his video. The AMA look after themselves. "one of our victories was our language was included in the 2018 FAA Reauthorization Act to clarify FPV operations are legal when done within our safety guidelines, no Part 107 needed. "
I don't want to do a point by point rebuttal of this, but for example: "Act to clarify FPV operations are legal when done within our safety guidelines" This is an example of exactly what I'm talking about. The AMA fought to make FPV legal, but only if it was done within AMA safety guidelines. If somebody has a different opinion about what constitutes safe flight, it doesn't matter, because only the AMA's opinion matters. They have zero interest in collaboration with other RC organizations like FPVFC and FTCA as peers. They are interested in squashing other groups and vacuuming as many hobbyists as possible into their membership,. The AMA only helps FPV hobbyists if/when doing cements the position of flying at an AMA field, under AMA regulations, as the only valid form of RC flight. They have zero interest in suporting anything that could result in decrease in their membership, even if it would be good for RC hobbyists as a whole. And this puts them in conflict with FPV multirotor pilots, who have very little incentive to fly at a traditional AMA-style flight field. "And yet, I see no other organization representing the recreational operator to legislators on a regular basis." Yes, well, when you have enough membership dues to hire paid lobbyists, that's something you can do. Meanwhile Dave Messina of the FPVFC is putting in hours and hours of unpaid time attending meetings and arguing for FPV as we know it. It's completely disingenuous to act like nobody else is willing to take up this mantle.
@@JoshuaBardwell done within AMA safety guidelines I may be wrong, but does this require flying at an AMA field? Or just following their safety guidelines whenever you are flying in a public space? Such as if you are flying FPV you should have a spotter. Do a search for AMA FPV guidelines and you will find a direct link. If you don't like the AMA safety guidelines why not work with them to change them? I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of them. Especially if those guidelines prevent government agencies for further regulating any and all RC use. Do the other organizations provide safety guidelines? I honestly don't know. I don't think I have ever seen an FPV pilot in a public space utilize a spotter. I have also seen numerous cases of drones being flown Beyond LOS. I will admit I fly mine Beyond LOS but when I do it is on uninhabited private property with a drone less than 250g. I love the RC hobby in all forms. But growing up flying at AMA fields and learning their safety rules I get very frustrated with new Pilots (especially Drone) pilots that can buy a $400 drone at Costco and fly it around without any knowledge or consideration about what they are doing or any regards for safety. Want to fly drones in abandoned buildings or empty parking lots with no spotter. Go for it. There is next to 0 chance of anything happening to anyone except those flying. But flying an FPV drone in a public park with others around with no spotter is a very good way to ruin it for everyone. Accidents happen even with safety precautions. The problem is I don't see people taking any safety precautions at all.
"Do a search for AMA FPV guidelines and you will find a direct link." I am very familiar with them. I am aware that AMA safety guidelines do not require flying at a field. However they are based on the mindset of a person flying at an AMA field and make certain assumptions that are not true for every situation. "If you don't like the AMA safety guidelines why not work with them to change them?" What makes you think I haven't? "Especially if those guidelines prevent government agencies for further regulating any and all RC use" How's that working out? "Do the other organizations provide safety guidelines? I honestly don't know." Both FTCA and FPVFC have their own safety guidelines, which were part of them getting approved as a CBO. "I will admit I fly mine Beyond LOS but when I do it is on uninhabited private property with a drone less than 250g." So it's ok for you to break the rules, because you do it in a way that you feel has acceptably low risk. Which is pretty much how everyone else who breaks the rules feels. "I get very frustrated with new Pilots (especially Drone) pilots that can buy a $400 drone at Costco and fly it around without any knowledge or consideration about what they are doing or any regards for safety." Me too. But the AMA is not the only way, or even the best way, to educate these people. "But flying an FPV drone in a public park with others around with no spotter is a very good way to ruin it for everyone." Nobody is arguing this point. But you're jumping from, "some people do dangerous things," to, "we must support the AMA," and I don't agree.
@@JoshuaBardwell "we must support the AMA," and I don't agree I am not saying you must support the AMA. What I am saying is that they actively support the Hobby in the best way they can with what they have available. I think that is where we disagree. But you are far far more active with a lot more knowledge to base your opinion than I do. That is exactly why I contacted the AMA for their retort and I was very surprised and pleased to get an answer within hours of sending the message. I may be wrong and you may be right about the AMA, IDK. We both want the same outcome (I think). RemoteID to not exist. I think we differ on who to support in obtaining that goal.
The statement at 17:53 is a very accurate summation. Basically my plan, don't do anything stupid, fly safely in an appropriate location and keep on flying. I have a 107, but if they want that back, they can have it at this point. I'm not interested in flying commercially anyway, nobody wants to pay for it.
Honestly, unless you’re doing some big production, you probably don’t need a 107 and whomever you’re flying for probably doesn’t even know what a part 107 is
@@nathan1sixteen just some 'travel videos' for a client. As long as the risk is on me and not my client, all bets are off if I bring heat down on someone's business
13:16 yes thanks for saying this. The commercial world especially the smaller businesses are in trouble. I’m moving in to another business and completely dissolving my 10 year drone business. I’m 90% sub 250g commercial flight and it isn’t possible to comply and i can’t financially handle a set of fines.
I stopped flying fixed wing aircraft years ago when the FAA introduced the requirement that you had to register your planes because I didn't want to deal with it. This is why I'm mostly trying to fly sub 250g now.
Just fly Man... Nobody is going to say diddly to you.. This cant be enforced.. There is absolutely no hope local law enforcment are goin around looking for drones.. Unless the Faa are willing to spend billions and set up a robocop unit , scouring the country.. Just go about your buisness without interfiering with the public..
ever since i started this hobby i never reginsered anything. You didnt need to quit wings, i have 12+ planes and drones that arent registered for 5+ years lol
Josh vary well said. great sense of humor. your awesome. I'm almost 60 and I love building and flying FPV. vary fun and awesome hobby. And it wouldn't be the same without you.
Here is my spin on the topic. Remote ID is an effort to control and minimize the number of hobby drones in order to pave the way for big box retailers and mega-delivery services. Big businesses want that oh-so-valuable airspace from 0' to 400', and they don't want to share. Walmart, Amazon, Best Buy, UPS, you name it, they have lobbying power.
Option 2 for protecting yourself: Have your visual observer carry a gun to protect you from bad actors that now have an app to track their victims. Good news is that they will not have to register their gun because as everyone knows, guns are nowhere near as dangerous as a drone.
@@UnumDeum I didn’t make an argument against guns. All I did was point out that people have died to gun violence and there is no requirement to even register while drones require registration and soon will require that the pilots are tracked on a phone app. Cars do not have a remote tracking requirement either.
The whole remote id thing is bullshit for sure. I don't think it's going to effect me where I live but I still hope we can eventually do something about it.
Well freakin' said, JB. Seriously, you posed some very compelling points and gave great examples of each 'sides' point of view. Especially liked when you came full circle with the compliance vs non compliance circumstances. Good on you, man.
A good situational update, but remote ID is just one step of many to come. The end game is getting amateurs out of the airspace. They won't stop until this happens. I and many others have left the hobby for good because of it, so their strategies are working.
That's the sad thing. So many people are fine ignoring or downplaying the struggles of others that we collectively have given up our bargaining power, so now that Amazon and UPS see us as a mild problem, and casually decides to step on us, no one cares. It's just something to think about the next time you see someone complaining about something you don't feel is a big deal.
@pallidinyou for me, it's just a hobby. The rules are too much to bother with. They took the fun out of it for me. It's not about a fight for me. You go for it, you can fight.
I'll support anything I can for the hobby but for me I've only been flying sub 250g because I'm still not good enough for a big boy quad. I still have fun and really enjoy the hobby and want to support it any way I can.
Truly surprised that the issue hasn't been framed as a threat to "the children" There's a whole group of people who have staked there whole personality on protecting kids from the adrinochrome harvesters. (Wonder what Hunter s Thompson would think about that one) They could definitely be weaponized
this rule applies to models of 250 grams and up. kids shouldn't be flying those unless they have adult supervision. you can kill a man with a 250 gram helicopter.
Yeah I with you on I’m just going to keep flying at my house and every once and awhile I’ll fly at my park when nobody is around. I just can’t see anyone giving me a problem doing that. I’m not breaking any flying laws. Just ripping and flipping it. Also thinking about buying one of the small quads from rotor riot so if I’m out somewhere else I won’t have a problem. The one under weight.
R-ID is the reason I sold all my drone gear in the Spring. I live in an area with too many Karens and a police force with nothing better to do than bother a pilot who was doing noithing "wrong" or dangerous. DAILY, I was asked by either a Karen or a cop what I was doing. Wasn't worth the headache when R-ID was added in. Still follow JB and a few other drone channels but thats about it. EDIT: I did follow all the old FAA stuff like registering ALL my drone, putting the FAA ID number on ALL my drones, even did the safety thing (not Part 107). So, i flew safe and "legal" other than I rarely used a spotter, unless you count my dog as my spotter.
Great video Joshua, thanks for being a rational voice in the debate. A while ago when they prohibited drone flying in National Parks we saw people taking great drone footage and posting it on their TH-cam channel, and subsequently that very video used in evidence to prosecute them for that breach of the law. Non compliance with RID maybe okay for most guys as you say, but I see it being that guys can't post the videos on TH-cam any more for that very reason unless they comply and show the module in the video.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I am so very worn out by the whole RID subject right now, I can't even social media. It's to the point of why are we allowing folks to "scare" everyone? Look just the other day, we had a young adult male & his girlfriend try to help our drone when it went down in a field behind our house. He was driving down a dnr road to go for a hike, he pulled over when he saw the drone go down and proceeded to pick it out of a bush and put it up right. He then talked to the GoPro and told us that he was only trying to help, to not arm the kwad. He was AWESOME. The day after, we flew down by the lake where there was very little to no traffic when all of a sudden we had a father and his two young boys and a couple come running over to check out our drones. We did a ride a long and Gardo scored a job at a restaurant in downtown Milwaukee. We gave the couple Rotor Riots information as the husband was all about learning more and we all went on our way. We have never had a negative experience with the public and our drones here in Wisconsin. It's not scary, most people are super excited to learn more. Anyway, great video, thank you so much for being the positive force on this whole subject. Oh and thanks for the additional information on the AMA, I was considering starting my membership up again but I'm no longer second guessing and not renewing. 😉
Predictions: LEO's will not bother with this on there own time to ensure compliance - laziness will prevail. It will take one Ken or Karen to use their mobile app and then get a LEO to validate/verify followed with a report filed to the FAA. FAA will then issue a massive fine to establish a 'chilling' effect. They don't have to go after everyone. The RID rules will be deemed a success and will encourage RID version 2 where the module will be hardened even further to prevent nuisance swarming/spoofing techniques. Existing RID modules will have to be firmware updated to version 2 for compliance. RID version 1 modules that cannot be updated to comply will become e-waste. The technological warfare will be lost as gov't has unlimited resources to fund regulators and engineers to innovate RID such that the 400 ft ceiling and below airspace is cleared of all activity and can only legally be used by deep corp interests and military. Eventually there will be NO legal way one can fly at all. Much like simply walking down the street - there is multiple misdemeanors occurring since there are so/too many laws that exist. One way out of this hell-hole of over regulation would be that all new laws MUST have a sunset provision. So that at least there is some dim/remote hope/chance that bad laws/rules can expire.
I’m also into shooting sports and it’s the same BS with the ATF. If you just live your life and ignore them, the rules they make to impose on you are nothing more than a joke about how no one takes them seriously. I think your point is valid and well said. Even if an FAA inspector stops and questions you, pleading ignorance is your best option.
I started this video wondering how to make my long range fixed wing build compliant, but since the consensus seems to be, "fuck the faa" I guess I'll just go with that 😂
Wow, out of the park Josh. Thank you for all this great level headed information. The civil disobedience advice was quite sage. Non compliance by itself helps no one.
@@cyberoverkill5844 I’m in the U.K. mate, I know we will have something similar in time, I wasn’t bothered by the rid at first as I know governments always do what they want anyway so was just gonna ignore it but my concern for you guys in the USA is that you literally have a UAP task force looking at being implemented by the end of the year, what that will mean for drones I don’t know but nothing good that’s for sure! Guess we are on a countdown to a quad being used in a false flag event! - that I am sure of! Imagine all the normies out there with the rid app once something like that happens! 😵👍🤝
Great video. Honestly, I think that one of the reasons the FAA is doing this is to force hobbyists into a corral where they can be monitored so that the gov't can auction off the aerospace to corporations. At that point, flying a drone outside of an approved area will be illegal. And remember, flying FPV solo is ALREADY against regs because of the idiotic LOS rules.
Remote ID Illegal Immigrants, drugs, guns, truant school kids, transsexual draft registration evaders,.... That perfect world of absolute control awaits. All that's required is your compliance.
I have stopped buying helicopters, I have only two now, amd i wont buy anymore. I fly, at times, at my RC field, to fly there I have to be AMA member, passed trust test, and have helicopters registered with FAA. My club now has over 125 members, flying there is now a joke, so many people!. I will most likely buy a RID, so I can fly in my back yard. As I usually fly there 95% of the time. I wish you had hit on what class of air spaces is also. Well done video, it was very informative informative
I don't think it's going to be as much the RID itself that will be an issue, but all the RID Karen's and Ken's that will cause more issues not only for the legit or non legit pilots but the Karen's&Kens themselves too. There's going to be some lvl of violence against these most annoying members in society.
depends on the range that people show up. i doubt i'd be able to see people on the other side of town. (and if i could i'd be going there to fly together)
Thank you Joshua, well said. I do hope compliance doesn't lead to more tightening. I hate to see the 8@stards win this one. The control issues of our government are getting worse and worse. This is part of a more systemic problem we have with the Brandon administration.
You are very correct. Just like the vast majority of car drivers can speed with impunity the vast majority of drone owners have nothing to fear from the literal handful of FAA people. Besides, the rule says you have to have a remote id module. I haven't read where it says that module has to actually work. I hate when I forget to charge a battery.
Forgot to comment on the subject, I was soooo distracted. Team, it's inevitable. Besides, most of you reading this have been flying illegally (technically) since the 250g limit was put into place. How was the time served? 😂🤣 I think the CBO's are just about the only way we have to fight back, but we don't want to embrace them. We don't support the FAA, by the numbers. Ok, how will a TH-cam rant change that? There's a place the discourse turns into regulation and legislature, and we instead let the lobbyists and orgs we don't support shape the future rules. This conversation has unEarthed a lot of, stigmas(?) and some (interesting?) understandings of the upcoming regulations. I think that everyone's concerns are legitimate, especially those that are backed with knowledge (why we're *here* after all). I plead with all of you to become as aware as you feel is right, and make a choice of how to fight, and choose your battleground wisely. If another opportunity to offer comment to the FAA happens, please please please speak up, or don't. Just make sure you're making the best choice you can for *YOU*
Are there FPV drones out there that have an c1 label? (flying with remote id in the A1 category up to 900grams ). That way we can still fly everywhere and are not forced to fly in a A3 category (150meter away from everything).
A well constructed summary. A few points, though: It seems to me one of the more insidious parts is the sub 250 'recreational and educational' exemption. It is so tightly drawn that a lot who think they are exempt, actually aren't. It seems it is not 'act commercially' and you are not exempt, but simply 'do anything that isn't strictly recreational' and you aren't, money doesn't necessarily come into it. That is just about anything from posting videos on social media, to looking for a lost dog, to ... well, anything. So really, the exemption means diddly squat to many flyers. In fact, a 25g AUW FPV whoop could need remote ID depending on how you are flying it. If there is one thing it might be worth fighting to change, it is the definition of that exemption. Always assuming of course that sub 250 doesn't turn into sub 'something rather less than 250' at some point. It would be logical if that limit did drop for two reasons: the first is that 250g craft are becoming more and more capable, and more and more people are going there, the second is that if you are a bureaucracy controlling the public and your target disappeared into the 'sub 250' thicket, human nature of the hunter vs the hunted means you'd go in after the target - the rights and wrongs of the actual number have little to do with it. You may be right that local law enforcement aren't interested in their own right, but if some member of the public makes a complaint, however unwarranted, I guess they have to follow it up? Who wants to argue with cops, it seldom ends well, all the odds are all on their side. I don't know that I'd be taking the risk. You are quite right about non-compliance as a means of change, it only works if public opinion is right behind it. I wish you luck with all this, especially someone like you with your form of business. I'm in the UK, so it doesn't affect us - yet. But the thought is that it will before long in some form. Our CAA is no more reasonable than your FAA. If it comes here in a way that affects me, I will not fit it, on principle. Since I'm fairly law abiding, that'll be the end of a hobby for me. Pity.
I wouldn’t really worry about it there are a lot of contractors (deck building) that have a quad to take pictures of their work (for a commercial purpose) that have never even heard of part 107, I don’t think it’s going to be heavily enforced
THIS! Thank you for creating this video on RID. I appreciate that you went over several different view points. I love the idea of the RID generator. I can see a new device in my field bag in the near future.
Whike this doesn't apply to me, rhe CAA might decide to kmllement a similar system in the UK. What im trying to get my head around is you said three bits of information need to be broadcasted, gps location of the craft, gps location of the pilot, and id of craft. What if the craft doesnt have gps, nor the controller? How is this information going to get broadcast?
The craft is required to have GPS. If using Standard RemoteID, the system is required to identify the pilot's location, such as by putting GPS in the goggles or controller. If using Module RemoteID, the system broadcasts the takeoff location.
@@JoshuaBardwell so there is a Remote ID module that incorporates a MCU, GPS and TX to broadcast all of this info that can be retro fitted to all older crafts? Sorry for all of the questions but trying to get my head around how all of this is going to work. I used to fly helis going back about 12-14 years ago., Eflite Blade 400 and Align Trex 450, but gave it all up as I went into another expensive hobby. Took up photography back in 2018 and back in April purchased a DJI Mini 3 Pro but have recently taken an interest in FPVs. I thank you for all of the informative videos, if it wasn't for guys like yourself and Oscar Liang I'd be still struggling how to bind 😂
The thing I'm not seeing much of here is:
There are many, if not all, government agencies that live to grow in any way possible. Be it scope, staff, etc... ultimately it's about a bigger budget and more power. They actually pay staff to search out any possible opportunity for such things. Why do I mentions this ?
Because we are in an election year. And one important thing to compare is one candidate lives to grow government, spend more money, and increase governmental control of every aspect of We The People...
The other while President made a rule about bureaucrat regulation in in government agencies, whereby any agency trying to create a new regulation, had to eliminate two existing regulations first. I think it's very relevant to what you are experiencing here...
Think About It !!!
Ok but none of what you are saying is actually relevant, because RemoteID was created by legislation, not by regulation. Congress passed a law that required the FAA to make RemoteID, and the President signed that law.
Now, I will give you a big gold star if you tell me which President signed that law. You guessed it. It was Trump. And do you know which party controlled the House at the time? Republicans. And do you know which party controlled the Senate at the time? Republicans.
I don't give a crap who you support politically, but don't kid yourself that "one side hates your freedom and one side supports it." The very law you are citing as evidence that Democrats are bad was passed by Republicans.
P.S. here's the law, if you don't believe me: www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4
In addition to that, Trump assigned a new Administrator of the FAA, simliar to how he assigned new heads of various other federal agencies. As you suggest, his goal was to use his executive power to limit the enforcement of rules he disagreed with. Did he tell the new Administrator not to enforce RemoteID? Nope.
@@JoshuaBardwell My apologies, I guess I misunderstood that fact...
@@dylancorwin5937 I'm sorry, I have no clue what your trying to say. My post was fact, accurate, and very relevant...
@@charleshamilton6555 Yes it is. Hopefully, with the mandate to deregulate, our toys will be a lowhanging fruit. We didnt legalize weed by following laws. Honest. I posted this before he said it.
I don't fear FAA officials, but I'm terrified of Karen.
Then you need to use BlueMark modules. They allow you to disable a parameter that makes them invisible to consumer smartphone apps. Other modules probably allow for same, but I’d stay away from DroneTag modules as they also sell Karen apps - so it’s conceivable that they might not be too interested in shielding their module users from the app users, idk.
@@modquad18 That's the module I saw out there. Getting one ...Comply wit FAA but not with the Karen HOA. LOL
Same.
Usually if you compliment a wild Karen, it will confuse them enough that you can plan an escape 😂
Agreeing 100% LOL
I am a retired police commander from Calif. You are exactly right, local law enforcement will not be able to enforce these FAA rules and regulations. Here is why
1. Training and cost = It takes time, training and money to effectively train law enforcement officers before they can go out and cite or properly enforce any penal code sections. Example of this big city have dedicated traffic officer trained in the use of radar. There is a certifying agency Police Officers Standards Training or POST that dictates the training and other qualifications a traffic officer must have prior to writing a citation based on radar or lidar technology.
2. Departmental needs and obligations- In todays busy LEO environment we are strapped for officers. An officer taking time out of his/her day to train and then enforcement of these policies has to be prioritized. We literally rate calls by priority by assignment of numbers. This would not be a priority call and most likely by the time the officer arrived on scene, the person would be gone. We know this and before responding dispatch may have a higher call waiting.
3. Procedural confusion- Drone laws are very vague and ambiguous. Currently I have heard of no remote ID related citations or serious events that have been addressed. Officers just do not know the law and have not been properly training on how to enforce these FAA rules
In summary as I have stated on many youtube channels before hobby operators are not in jeopardy of any enforcement violations. Go out and have a great time. I would caution those who have illegal intent in mind one thing. It will only take a few major incidents to have all the remote ID and more policy and procedures come to bare, if you abuse and act carelessly everyone in the hobby will have to pay your price for ignorance.
FYI
I'm a sponsor at my highschools model aviation club. I will be there for these kids no matter how hard the FAA tries to stop these kids from becoming the next aviation engineers. I love the enthusiasm they have for this hobby. And will do all I can to feed it.
you rock dude
The FAA is not trying to stop that. Their job is ensuring that the skies are safe for all users.
@@modquad18that’s complete bullshit if you want to complain about drones you would need to be flying your planes at a level so close to the ground you would be more concerned with hitting trees than drones so it’s bullshit to add a 70 dollar module to your drones that dosnt even interact with the currently in place systems
@@tanker7757 But they’re capable of flight way beyond that level. Go sub-250 with the kids, not worth the obvious and significant stress this is causing you.
@@modquad18if I rember that’s already banned so why would people be doing that why is remote id needed here also planes can’t detect remote id beacase they use adsb
This is happening in many hobbies. Airsoft, OHV, firearms, do not give them an inch cause its never enough.
I heard someone say, “Hey, how about RID for firearms .”
Now that would be smart!
When was the last time you heard of drones creating mass shootings in high schools or anywhere else?
@@tomlake6345Why stop there, RID for all citizens. Implanted at birth with a remote switch.
@@tomlake6345No thanks lefty NPC.
What’s happening with air-soft?!?
@@excellenceinanimation960 ive been out of airsoft for a while, but even when i was a kid things like taking the orange tip off of the "firearm" was very frond upon and there's a lot of people who are just scared of airsoft guns in general, just like people who think we should ban real guns cause they "look scary". Then there's people who think airsoft guns should be illegal because there are some ways to modify upper receivers (and some lower receivers don't even need modification) to fit real firearm parts to shoot real bullets which scares people just like new york trying to regulate 3d printers cause they *might* be able to print gun parts.
Just like everything its ignorant people in position of power to make ignorant decisions based of *feelings* and not fact
My biggest gripe with the rules as written is broadcasting the location of the pilot and having that data available to anyone with a smartphone. It's just not safe for multiple reasons and intrusive with no logical reason behind why the data is needed. Automobiles have been involved in way more accidents, fatalities, and injuries and yet we do not broadcast the location of our automobiles to add "safety and security" Well spoken and my hope is the overreach and overregulation will find its way to the media and the right people will see it and see how overly burdensome is for the risk factor of our rc aviation hobby. Great video Joshua.
To preface this I agree with the sentiment and conclusions.
However, if you can make the argument there is the potential for abuse of the information, therefore bad.
Then the government can make the same argument for the use of drones. They can be abused therefore bad and need regulation.
The potential for something is never and should never be considered enough by itself. So again I am against remote ID because its based on a false premise that because drones can be abused there needs to be a law against it.
I am also against arguing that for personal safety remote ID is bad because the information can be abused.
Privacy is not inherently good by itself, it is only good in a world where a lack of privacy means abuse. In a perfect world people who don't want the government or karens knowing where they are; are crazy people.
I think any party, government or citizen who is concerned of the potential harm something could bring needs to actively demonstrate that said potential harm is of a high enough probability that it outweighs any good said thing can bring.
Without hard data the default position should of course always be do not infringe freedoms. You should be able to do whatever you want whenever you want however you want so long as it does not affect someone else's life.
I think my issue with this point is... You don't need to be 18 to fly a drone... So.... broadcasting this GPS location to anyone... could be broadcasting the specific location of a minor and I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that there are several states that have laws in place about that.
The fact is the US government abuses their authority constantly, in all areas of life and they are never letting up. The NSA has been swallowing US internet data for years. Snowden brought it to light and what happened…the politicians turned on him. Not enough Americans care about this or that to change anything. The best anyone can do is try to operate within the law, but be prepared for problems.
Logical reason 1: creepy people who use drones to spy or intrude privacy; by forcing broadcasting of pilot location you know who is flying the drone and who is responsible.
Logical reason 2: the drone crashes and causes damage; by publishing user info you know who is responsible.
et cetera
@@nocare "false premise that because drones can be abused there needs to be a law against it."
So any dangerous tools should not be regulated simply due to the potential of being dangerous? Are you also against car safety regulations such as airbags and seat belts? How about FDA food regulations to ensure spoiled food is not sold?
Regulation prevents problems before they occur, because we have insight that the nature of certain situations can cause problems.
Having spent my entire career in aviation and heavily involved with the FAA I can almost assure you that this topic is at or near the enforcement bottom for the FAA….You are spot on!!! I would bet that the FAA wishes this didn’t exist but they were mandated by some uneducated bureaucrat and must at least jump through the hoops!!! I strongly AGREE with your intended course of action !!
as a HAM i will never understand or forgive the way they violated rules for 5G knowing DARPA was using that frequency for WEAPONS. everyone who propagates radio waves is required to check for harmful interference.
they knowingly allowed harmful radiation to be emitted for money. simple as that sickening.
I would imagine similar to the FCC's interest in some guy on his CB. Even pushing illegal power, they just don't waste their time going after some guy yelling breaker-breaker.
I can't speak for all, but I can tell you as a former police officer and current fpv hobbyist, they generally couldn't care less about people flying drones unless someone is doing something overtly illegal, stupid or unsafe. Most don't even really understand what it is because they are too busy with day-to-day cop stuff. Walk up to any cop and ask them if they know what a remote ID module is and I bet most wouldn't have a clue. Just be smart and be safe...my 2 cents
I am glad you made this video and spoke about RID on your live streams. You are the “go to guy” for us to get our information and listen to your opinions. Thank You.
Ditto ! Much respect
On the 4th we went to a neighborhood party because my daughter has been hanging out with the kids in the neighborhood. One of my neighbors is apparently a Statie and after we saw a camera drone fly over us we got to talking about RC and RemoteID; his recommendation was to just keep flying. Like you said he doesn't have the time, nor the desire to worry about some weird federal regulation about toy planes.
Thats your buddy on a day off, what we fear is the jerk cop looking for trouble by any means necessary. Even if nobody acts on it, we cant rosj having it in the books for technical harassment.
@@cyberoverkill5844 A jerk cop looking for any means necessary has dozens of other avenues to harass you without involving federal laws. It would be way easier to claim that you might be trespassing or disturbing the peace of they want to harass you.
Edit: Furthermore they literally can't do anything to you for breaking a federal rule, they can't enforce federal rules they, can only refer those cases to the relevant federal agencies(this being the FAA).
@@CDRaff true, reasonable cause can be found elsewhere, I'm just saying that I dont want them to keep it in their back pocket as a way to get you in trouble. What I fear even more is the standardization of it, and how if a cop sees you flying, they'll say "licence and RID please" and if you dont have it, you get ticketed.
So nice to see that cowards have opinions. If you won’t risk getting in trouble to oppose a terrible rule then go away. I am willing to have a risk if it moves the needle in the right direction.
@@cyberoverkill5844 Then have it. It isn't that hard. This is like people complaining about providing voter ID; it really is not hard to have proper paperwork if you are doing an important activity.
The app thing is what scares me. I already have 1 neighbor that as soon as he hears a drone, he leaves and goes and hunts them down every time, harasses them, films them, and calls the cops. Cops have told him many times theres nothing illegal going on. I already had to file a restraining order on him because of all the harassment and stalking.
Now if he's able to just get the specific gps coordinates of everyone flying... Ugh...
Burn his house down. I'm here representing chaotic neutral
Bring a pistol
@@DandSCreations ah yes, commit federal crime by brandishing a weapon please
@@fuglong Noone said brandish, carry to prevent a physical assault from a lunatic. Also in my statement open carry is legal but I concealed carry. You obviously don't know anything about firearms.
@@DandSCreations Agree
I don't like how the AMA is handling it. MultiGP forces you to have an AMA membership, but the AMA does nothing for FPV. That is a decent chunk of money they are getting for dues.
Another point to make here is that the AMA headquarters in Munsey Indiana has not received their FRIA status either, so where does this leave us?
I dropped them years ago. Bunch of prics
Follow the money. AMA's membership revenue has been declining steadily for 20 years. In fact, they just raised dues again. Each time they do, within 2-5 years the revenue is lower than it was before the increase. They're doing everything they can to compel membership as a way to slow the losses.
The only good thing the AMA does is that they make it easier for event organizers like MultiGP to have insurance for the events, which I believe the reason it’s required. A necessary evil, so to speak.
Trying to get liability coverage for something like multigp events is really expensive and difficult otherwise from what I’ve heard. If it weren’t for the insurance I don’t think many would bother with the AMA, but until there’s a better option we’re stuck with it.
AMA took financial advice from blm accountants! 😂
"Remote ID put chains on good actor, and give bad actor freedom."
That applies to literally every law ever written, lol. Which is why most laws are BS
@@nathan1sixteen Wrong. If you drink & drive, you are the bad actor every time because it's unsafe. You can non-comply but you are just as likley to be stopped as anyone else. RID puts a target on the good actors and obfuscates the bad ones.
It is for control and money . They count on your not knowing that laws do not come dictated from the top down .
@@SueMyChin
People requested legislatures ti propose non drunk driving laws to congress . And it passed .
Remote id is international control and profit from control by sneaking in dictated laws from the top down and never know that it is taxation without representation .
All in all, it is about money, safety is an excuse. Some people act like RC drone is just recently. The one who's in control profit all and win all.
If your willing to risk getting caught, you could put a RID module to a local cop car near an airport and see what happens and if they can figure it out.
😂lmao
That's what I thought. Lol
Yeah, let's go to war with law enforcement while we're trying to win a PR battle. Brainiac.
@@jasoncarswell7458wow can't take a joke I see..
@@jasoncarswell7458 Your not gonna win this PR battle cant you see the end already?, it was always gonna end in a battle of regular citizens vs police and politicians, by the time the FAA regulated this thing its gonna be illegal to even take off on your own property
Every call from a regular voter represents ~10,000 like minded opinions. Ryan Seacrest said every call into his radio show in 2007 represented 25,000 like minded opinions. This is true across the board and instantly gets attention regardless of "what it feels like". If you can get 5 people per district to call in, that makes the issue a top 10 on that representatives radar.
If you want to get their attention, you need to be a regular voter, and the more local/state/federal elections you are involved in, the more your call bears weight. So GET INVOLVED!!! Freedom isn't free. It will cost you, not just the soldier, something. You will either lose freedoms, or you will lose time... Your call.
Great video as always @JoshuaBardwell
That's funny - as if politicians listen to constituents, let alone make their own decisions!
@@the-tribe If they don't listen then vote them out.
@@the-tribefound the guy going his own way... it just lines up parallel to the way everyone else is going... cop haters be hatin
@@jwonz2054 Here in California they never seem to get voted out no matter how hard we try. :(
@@bwc1976 The issue with California aside from cheating from illegals, is that republicans tend to flee left wing areas so their vote is constantly negated by the refugee mode.
This is akin to putting speed trackers on cars, and sending a cop to your house to ticket you, for speeding….they’re requiring us to tell on ourselves, which is unconstitutional.
I normally don't comment, but you did a really good job on this video and I'm honestly impressed by the way you presented the information in a pragmatic and effective tone. Thanks for everything you do for the hobby!
Eloquently articulated Mr. Bardwell. Honestly, I have had more issues with people than with any law enforcement. Most LEO will actually approach you to ensure you are not being irresponsible. If you are not flying like an idiot and if you don't give them attitude, chances are they either leave you alone or sit there with you and just ask drone-related questions. I take that opportunity to provide them with educational knowledge.
Every officer I have talked with has a "no cares given" attitude as it's in a public park and we are not endangering anyone. It's actually kinda funny to talk with them about...they hate all the bs. Just adds to their already insane work load. Not to mention, I'm sure 95% of them don't even know the rules. 😂😂
I formerly worked for a federal regulatory agency (not FAA, completely different agency); in some states (in my experience, Texas), locals can essentially assert that a violation of a state/local law that is associated with a federal crime. You are correct, however, that feds (and even locals) lack the resources to effectively enforce this. That said, there are plenty of federal LEOs who are so petty that they will use law enforcement (and their relationships within law enforcement agencies) to their favor over the dumbest shit -- and sometimes at the will of their friends and people of influence (this is the more worrying part); it is one of the reasons why I left.
Have you told your story publicly? There aren't a lot of stories available from former cops about the problems with policing. One such story included a death threat from former colleagues, so it's not hard to guess why. From my perspective, US Police are a domestic terror organization (for example assassinating an anti-police protester Manuel Esteban Paez Terán a few months ago in Georgia) and crossing them is a dangerous act of service to the public.
If you haven't come out publicly, fair enough. If you have, I'd love a link!
@@bumpty9830 the problem is that most of the issues that came up were not illegal, just ethically questionable or just childishly petty. Some bordered on violating internal policies or acceptable behavior. One such example is when the agent in charge had the car of a contractor (a plumber, electrician, or someone like that) towed because it was parked in one of our designated parking spaces (which, in the ten years that I worked there, were never completely filled. It was just a matter of inconvenience of having to walk an extra 8-16 feet to get to your car.). Another time, one of the agents complained that some people were launching rockets (eg. estes model rockets) at a nearby park. He described them as Middle Eastern (but it is likely they were Indian) and had a sheriff's deputy search their shit and escort them out even though nothing they were doing was illegal. There were more serious issues, but none that I would characterize as illegal -- other than maybe it was a complete waste of time or a way to expedite law enforcement because the federal court system is bogged down. The point is, even if you are following the letter of the law and know and assert your rights, surfing that line is a risk and a) federal law enforcement (eg. FAA) and locals DO work together and b) if you piss off the wrong karen or chad who knows a guy who knows a guy and the next thing you know, your phone and computer are being imaged and all of your equipment is being seized.
Understood, @@styloroc2000. Saying the police follow the letter of the law is exactly like saying the 9-11 attackers followed internal Al Qaeda policy.
Cops are racist, classist terrorists, and these are more good examples.
So we will make our arguments with lead .. these tyrants will never stop.. it’s time to fight this fight before it’s too late
This hobby has great minds, there's already a reprogrammable remote id out there.
This is why I always come back to you! It’s just the best info out there. I’ve gained a lot of clarity over this. I’m one of those who won’t comply, because I fly 2 1/2-3” drones around my property, and my neighbors don’t mind. But I fly airplanes and drones down at my neighborhood marina with the owner, and we’re adjacent to a state park, so I think that will affect me. The rangers have been watching, but as long as we stay over water, and not over park, they don’t bother us. This will change I’m afraid. They don’t like the owner. Lol. Thanks for the great video
I went semi viral recently on instagram because people thought I was an alien. But the amount of hate I got , literally my life being threatened was overwhelming, most of the hate was from Karen’s who simply don’t understand at all what we’re doing and thinking I am somehow looking in depth at their personal property. But this past Fourth of July weekend I had a lot of airtime and was approached by potential Karen’s every few minutes , instead I pathched them in on my extra pair of Fpv goggles and took them for a ride , instant converts . I appreciate so much of what you do here, but we all need to be making sure these people are “going to learn something today”. Thanks J.B your the best!
As with a lot of things, it is ignorance that is the problem. Maybe a better idea than goggles would be the screens you can get, that way multiple Karen’s or just interested people can watch.
I also don’t get why people think their lives are that interesting that people are going to come and look in their windows with drones. Just a drone being in the area does not mean it is looking at you or your property. A drone flying about the park is probably less likely to be looking at you than kids playing in the park are.
I'm thinking of running a display so people can simply look at a standalone screen when/if they are approaching me. I've never seen a person not instantly be interested or change their opinion the second they see the footage I've been recording.
@@AdamWeatherall I wasn't on about anything like a projector or that, just the smaller screens people sometimes use rather than goggles.
It is definitely something that a lot of people would enjoy but most people just don't know how to get started.
@@conorstewart2214 I still agree with you any way we can show our experience is a good thing. But I find the best most immersive experiences are when someone actually straps the goggles on is all I’m saying. All options are good 👍.
@@conorstewart2214 most if not everyone at some point in their life. (and some for their entire life) will suffer from main character syndrome.
they are not like everyone else and the only reason you exist is to somehow interact with them.
that said.
i do not believe even for a second that anyone would even notice a drone in the air during the 4th of july. so yet another bullsh*t comment
I was cited by a rogue officer and beat the case. We hired two attorneys, one aviation and a criminal attorney thanks to support from Trappy and the community. Once I said I wanted to go to trial it became a criminal offense and was looking at 12 mo in a federal prison. Officer lied on a federal document and the case was dismissed. You're right it doesn't matter.
It is unfortunately a matter of time before someone flying legally with no bad intentions gets attacked or worse, killed by someone who simply looked them up on the app. When this happens it will have been entirely predictable and likely not the single time it will happen. 😥
This has been my concern since RID was first being talked about. There are many bad (really bad) people out there.
@@Thunderbyrd. People get emotional too, they hear a drone they assume it's spying on some nefarious act taking place to they are understandably annoyed but being then able to pinpoint a drone user (maybe not even the actual drone user but the closest one to them) is going to end very badly
Keep at least pepper spray handy for the Karens.
Yup, i always carry bear spray in my flight bag...i also fly in the woods and live in Montana, so bear spray is always within reach
Exactly that’s exactly why you should not comply because if you dont what are they going to fucking to do you? Absolutely nothing they arent they just can’t. Unjust unconstitutional laws we do not have to abide by the crap things that put you and your children in danger absolutely not. They still cant and wont regulate shit they will only regulate ones who submit to this remote id want. Its pretty simple to see that because then and only then will they be tracked and monitored by authorities public karens criminals and corrupt gov. If someone has in their head im going to comply then whatever i cant change their mind and nor can anyone else but i still think ifs ridiculous and to see how untrustworthy the gov is why do anything they want why pay taxes taxation is theft i mean i could go on on and on about the trash who represents our country
I love this video Joshua. Well balanced and reasonable video. Not telling anybody to do anything, but showing all sides of the discussion and instilling hope and unity. Thanks
Perfect article Joshua, thanks for making it so clear. Personally I'm completely done with all types of government overreach anyway. I never have and never will buy DJI or any manufacturer who forces compliance as they do. I think I have roughly over a hundred quads, hex's, planes and cars & trucks. Not one will ever see a remote ID module or the like. My opinion is everyone should just tell them to pound sand. If we would just realize that they could do nothing if we all just ignored them. I believe in reasonable laws, comply with most and have never been charged, accused or arrested in my 78 years. But they are completely out of control these days so they get nothing from me.
Your comments could as easily have come from me… except I’m 62 yrs old. 🤣 Eff ‘em.
The first mistake was talking with the FAA as though they where gonna listen to the drone community.
We need to remember this next time more rules come out. Our reaction unfortunately needs to be of outrage to fight even the smallest new rules.
…AGREED. It’s the ‘Steamroller’ Effect. THEY ask..but REALLY DON’T CARE.
Yeah right yall will lay down and get fuc&ed like always once a coward always a coward.
That's unfortunately never going to be happen. Even the 2a community has barely just gotten to that point in the last 100 years. The Aviation community, by extension the rc community is all about safety and rules, and too small to not get steamrolled and will end up with people flying a 20 dollar drone in their backyard end up with federal charges
Well maybe this might bring kits and scratch builds back. If they can’t sell us ready to fly aircraft, then buy the parts and build it. I’d love to see more aircraft kits and plans again.
THANK YOU for bringing up what the community did back in 2020 and prior to get RID changed and explaining everything up to this point. 👍
Many have been trying long before the recent parade of anti-Remote ID videos, and I think perhaps some newer people needed to hear the history. The community has tried long before the Remote ID campaign ongoing now, to do something to affect change.
Myself, I was an AMA member for 2 years starting in 2015. I never used an AMA field, but I purchased the membership to support them fighting for me as a hobbyist. It was the "thing to do" to support the hobby. That ended up being a mistake, -- so I did not renew it, but that was my first move toward supporting advocacy. Also, I made videos back in 2018 when the FAA Reauthorization Act was passed and encouraged other reviewers to do so too. Congress's demand for a "remote identification system for drones" was spelled out there -- the exact specifics of it just had been left up to the FAA. To change that, we ALL did the "sign the NPRM thing", and wrote letters! I even got some neighbors and those from my prior community college STEM program involved. Eventually, I bought an FPV-FC founding membership for $75 to keep up the legislative battles and advocacy. And there are tons of others who all followed the same footsteps. We have also tried to do the right thing and fly safely, register (I know, I know, not approved), and just be good ambassadors for the sport. WE have all been trying this entire time.
As Remote ID is *basically* here, with actual hardware being approved and put on the market... the idea that FAA is just going to google for "remote id" see all of those... uh, videos... and just say... "OH ok, oops, I guess we lost and we're definitely going to change this now"... is naive. The time for real change at this point is slim -- UTM, RID, etc is coming, and it's OK to examine the reality of what compliance actually means, for those who choose to do so... at the end of the day, if you are a hobby flyer in a field, you will probably be ok.
Really nicely laid out mate 🤝
Also, People still stick to a single field? 😮😂👍
@@bugsy742 Yeah -- people who fly the types of planes and fixed wing aircraft that are used at AMA fields really do stick to a single field and that's it.
With huge helicopters and planes, some of them gas powered -- it makes sense to have a sanctioned field for that. It's a ton of noise, and you need a large area for them.
Unfortunately, our local AMA group puts drones in the corner. Quads aren't explicitly welcome (they've got a "hover area for drone flying").
@@JohnCuppi that makes sense brother 👍🤝
Pretty much all flying clubs here in the U.K. had the same sort of discrimination, zero time for that sort of snobbery 😞🤗
_For now_ is the part your comment left out, and that's not good enough. It's not ok to ruin people's lives for something that poses no harm to anyone else.
A carefully thought out response we should expect from Bardwell. I love the fact that our community regard him as a leader because a fair, pragmatic approach is precisely what’s required to fit such a role. We need to stick together and try to understand each-other’s take on this complex issue. It’s normal to disagree with other community members. United we stand.😊
"United we stand"... true, we mostly do, but we mistakenly allowed ill-prepared, but well meaning leadership to head our cause in the beginning.
We lost valuable time because of this, promoted our 'toys' as implements of death in a war we had NO business taking sides in, but should have done all to stop instead, through peaceful means.... and now here we are.
It's a pretty gloomy place. Politicians pander to their constituency's most basic fears, and that is now: 1. They look into our houses!!! 2. They can be used to carry explosives!
These politicians WILL fight for their re-elections. We are mosquitos to them.
100000% right on. Thank you for jumping in front of this freight train, but I agree with your general assessment that we're pretty much screwed if we don't fly at an AMA site. Keep fighting the good fight!!!
Good point, some Karen could look you up and attack you with your goggles down.. My question is do you need to give ID to see the drone & pilots location/ID. I think that should be mandatory.
Never thought of that, but that's good, and has to be a government issued one at that
It's the best idea yet
O yeah! Great idea!
If someone uses an app to find your location, they should also be identifiable trought that same app and show their location as well to everyone using the app.
Listening to this while flying right now thanks for everything JB
I am an aircraft mechanic. I have only interfaced with an FAA inspector 1 time in the last 3 years. They do not have the number of people required to police this. The real threat is Karens.
Yeah and the unfortunate part is that some people will have more issues than others. And honestly if this happened or not, the Karen's of the world won't care about the FAA "rules" and take it into their hands regardless.
From what I read in the rules, there is requirements for what needs to be transmitted, but no requirement stated for how far it must transmit or be received. This way you can still have a module and comply with the rule, however the module won’t broadcast with a huge range.
Thanks for making this video- wish I had the energy to fight back right now. these new rules and regs adds this weird headache and dark aura over flying for me. I've been accosted too many times to feel safe with these rules. Been on my mind daily :(
We fought and won but it was stressful and mentally exhausting. Officer was caught lying on a federal document and the case was dismissed. We had to hire two attorneys one aviation and one criminal because once I wanted to go to trial I was looking at 12 mo in a federal prison. Thanks to Trappy and the FPV community we raised enough funds to beat the bogus case.
Thanks for this video, I've been studying for my part 107 for various reasons and also slowly making my way into the FPV world and I was getting worried but your words have given me hope.
Great points Joshua, we pilots still have more in common than difference. It's a shame that laws come from places that have no true understanding of a industry. You're right that it further effects the people who have been doing the right thing to make a living than would ever change the bad actors.
Mr. Bardwell, thank you so much for sharing this one with us. You are absolutely right in my opinion. We have to stick together and help each other no matter what. This hobby is something we should be enjoying without unwanted fingers being stuck in it and if you do it as a job, you should be able to do what you need to to make a living. Thank you sir for sharing you wisdom with us again. :)
You said a mouthful. Very eloquent and to the point, no mis-information. I am 78yo and my flying partner is 73yo. We are fortunate that we have not yet encountered the angry, aggressive person. It has been my pleasure to talk to and educate many folks where we fly. For the record I am a veteran of the war that we don't talk about( in the 60's). We have been flying drones for about 3 years. When the Avata came out we both got one. I am trying to learn to fly Acro. Got 70+hrs in the sim (Liftoff) and I can fly the 💩 out of it in the sim. No carry over to actual flight. My problem however then there is the lack of vision (yeah I've got a spotter) but things can happen rapidly. I currently have 2 drones, an Air 2s and an Avata. Both will or do have RID. I also have a Mini 2, I love it. So you are correct, we are all in this together so watch out for each other and remember you could be someone else's first line of defense. The current killing fields could easily expand to drone pilots, with little provocation
@miichaelhickey My appreciation to your service and sacrifice to the country from another military vet. *SALUTE*
I am currently very much enjoying the hobby even if it's only as a person who enjoys the thrill of seeing something flying (out of curiosity and wonder) . I will soon , but not quite into the air hobby just yet. 😅😁👍
You've posted many many well thought out and intelligently presented videos over the years. This is among the best. Very very well put together and stated. Thank you
Our Local LE is more concerned with folks overstaying their parking spots. If i get my 107 AND i fly for a commercial project, the sure, i’ll comply. Otherwise… i’ll continue to fly where nobody cares/exists in a safe manner…
JB....This has been the single best delivery of Remote ID information I have seen to date. Such a great delivery of the most accurate information!!
Thank you!
Interfering with the system is illegal under FCC regulations. But it will highlight flaws in the entire remote id system and force its closure
Yeh, if the signals are unreliable then it won't hold up in law and therefore is essentially useless.
But you are not interfering with anything the FCC regulates. Sending Bluetooth packets in the 2.4Ghz band is entirely legal. And since the FAA decided to use a license free part of the spectrum, I think they would have a tough time regulating your free speech rights to broadcast only what they want you to broadcast.
It uses the WIFI channels which are wide open for a reason. So I doubt they would even know or care as long as you under the 4w max power for Wifi routing devices.
@@StevePinkham Xjet just did a video about this. There are basically catch all rules for not interfering or degrading radio communications. See clunky reference below.
Check out: Title 47 - Chapter I - Subchapter A Part 18 - INDUSTRIAL, SCIENTIFIC, AND MEDICAL EQUIPMENT
In 18.107 Definitions (B) Harmful interference. Interference which endangers the functioning of a radionavigation service or of other safety services or seriously degrades, obstructs or repeatedly interrupts a radiocommunication service operating in accordance with this chapter.
@@SueMyChin That does not hold in court if you ask me. When the article is about radiowaves, when they say "interference" they mean actual radio interference and not "interfering" with the system. It also doesn't endanger or interrupt any radiocommunication. If so that would mean you would never be able to fly with multiple people at the same time.
Joshua, what a well thought out and measured response to RID. I, for one, just hate that some moron could find me and harass me as I do my job. I sometimes find your videos have a bit of a harsh edge to them, but this one is absolutely pitch perfect. Now I'm gonna watch that RID spoofing video and fire up my soldering iron. Thank you for all you do for the hobby.
NAILED IT Joshua! You articulated this whole issue extremely well. Just a heads up there is a new RID Module (by BlueMark db20) that won’t get picked up by most off the shelf scanning apps. Also, FAA approved…haven’t heard much on it but might be worth checking out as well. Alien drones just did a video on it. Again, EXCELLENT JOB on this video! 🤟🤟
Isn't it just a matter of time before all apps will be updated to pick up this module as well. Regardless of the tech, it's about the principle. There is no justification for having to be tracked when flying for example a 251g foam plane below the tree tops when several more dangerous manned aircraft can be flown without similar restrictions, while posing a larger and proven risk for lives, property and other aircraft.
100 Euros! Nope.
@@rc-fannl7364 I hear ya....just mentioning in case others haven't seen it yet...trust me...no fan here either.
My neighbor works for FAA. Neither of us have remote id on our drones. LMAO. He said they dont have a budget to track people down or go investigate little jimmy doing powerloops on a tree. Who you need to worry about most is Karen. She will call the cops and start a pimple for you. So just pick good locations, and have fun!!
Great vid, JB. Thorough and well thought out.
I'd argue that non-compliance is resistance. If the majority of people do not comply then the FAA have a dilemma, continue ahead and put unjust fines on people for non-compliance which we can play-on publicly. Or they can remove the part of the regulation that is dissuading people from compliance, namely the tracking of the pilot.
Your speed limit argument is flawed as we all agree it's unsafe to speed in most cases, this is back-up by evidence that can be proven in court and in public discourse.
I just don't think they care about the public image of fining people. And I don't think the public will actually be on our side. The public is already freaked out about drones. The FAA will say, this scary drone pilot was flying in an unsafe manner, so we fined him. "IT'S LIKE A LICENSE PLATE IN THE SKY." And the majority of the public will eat it up.
@@JoshuaBardwell Maybe, but that will obviously depend on the scenario. If it's a tiny whoop flown by a child in their back garden how would that play out?
We'll have to pick our fights.
One thing I'd like to point out about the concern of someone tracking you down from your broadcast ID is that this happened BEFORE remote ID. You can find videos of people harassing a pilot they see operating an RC. If someone sees you flying a vehicle and wants to harass you, they will do it regardless of RID compliance. I firmly believe the BEST WAY to be left alone is fly responsibly, use common sense and remember the old saying ... "just because you CAN do something (legally) does not mean you SHOULD"! Be careful where and how you fly if you're a hobbyist. The good news is that IMHO, 99.99% of the time, if you're not bothering anyone, most likely nobody is going to waste time tracking you down. Happy flying all! Great video! As always, Josh knows his subject well and explains it awesomely!
Joshua, the biggest issue I see is that this system is going to be a HUGE security breach... There are already ways to create 6 or more fake drone signals over any place, like an airport.
This is going to be a huge mess and can affect even those who uses Bluetooth ear buds, because of the added noise. So...
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
good so the powers to be will realize the awful mistake that they have made
@@sladelefty I hope so.
Astute! Info words and all. Your background scene, Nice touch JB. Honestly
oh so now this data sent out over bluetooth?
if you don't know what you are talking about. keep it shut will ya
@darkracer1252 Yes, it is Bluetooth. Joshua already made a video showing the spoofing thing. He didn't even need to solder anything.
First, I want to commend you for making one of (if not the) BEST videos regarding Remote ID. Thank you for it NOT being a RANT video. Those videos do NOT endear the general public to drones and FPV. Yeah, I have seen all the arguments against Remote ID and most lack substantive evidence to even be brought up. I have also seen A LOT of inaccurate and misinformation that most just make us look like ignorant, spoiled, cry babies. I also agree that most pilots will not even notice it, whether they comply or not. The ones who will get bit are the reckless ones. Plus, those that obviously violate the regulations, then flaunt it out on TH-cam. If you want to violate, fine, but don't plaster it all over public media. This is NOT going to be overturned. In fact, I look for the next rev of Remote ID to include a Remote Disarm feature. Let's consider some numbers: 53,000 respondents to Remote ID, 870,000 (plus) registered drones, 330,000,000 population in the USA. If you run the percentages, just how big is the resistance?? Really? Remote ID is here to stay. Now, as you mentioned, each of us just needs to determine where and how we fit in. As for the assortment of "spoofing", "shielding" and other methods to render Remote ID useless; THAT alone may turn out to really Bite us in the Arse. Yeah, do it while you can. One day, the ramifications for doing that might be harsher than just running Remote ID. In any case, each of gets to choose. The DRONE landscape is expanding extremely fast. Now, that might be what we refer to as "camera" drones, but drones nonetheless. I really doubt that the builder/pilot section expands nearly as fast. Yes, it is the idiots that make it bad for us and those are born every second. More and more, there will be a drone in their hands. The FPV builder/pilot is a lot like the street race of the old days. It was fun, it was dangerous, and you likely wouldn't get caught. Oh yeah, hi-power, often modified, V8 engines. SWEET. Well, those days are gone. Yeah, you still see the occasional hopped up "buzz" car, but things just are not what they once were. By the way, heaven forbid someone uses a drone to harm other people. You think it is bad now, that would really draw (the wrong kind) of attention. P.S. don't forget the DHS also has an influence.
6:20 not to mention that someone walking up to someone (even with a spotter present) introduces unnecessary stress and distraction to the pilot which might result in increased danger for third parties
Sorry if this has been covered, but if you have a DJI drone (for example), couldn't the software just not allow you to take off without a remote ID? I have an older model, and I don't use it very much, but the last time I used it I had to jump through a bunch of hoops to take off because of my location (semi-restricted - I forget the exact phrasing). It seems like the technology that makes these drones possible also makes them extremely vulnerable to meddling by the manufacturer itself. The same is true of electric cars and anything that utilizes internet connectivity.
A good video Josh. Non compliance would appear to be the only tool left to save the hobby but it has to be universal.
I respectfully disagree. A second option is litigation... and in the US, litigation is accommodated whereas "non-compliance" may not be. Litigation will probably happen - based on any number of applicable factual details and/or legal concepts , including actual adverse impact, scope of regulatory authority or even Constitutional law. Be well.
@@edruttledge342So don’t comply, litigate, and concealed carry.
Who is going to sue on the behalf of hobbyists though? You need a serious organized lobbying business to do that.
Last week I took my Typhoon H for its last flight. There are no RID modules under $200, Where are the modules? The Yuneec pilot forums have gone almost quiet other than peeps trying to sell their hexacopters. This is a law that seperates Rich from Poor. I dont even know if I can legally sell it to buy a mini or something and if I can Im sure theres not much of a market for a large heavy hexacopter. HEY! BEZOS! send me an RID module! This is your Law, Help people out!
Joshua, I emailed the AMA with your concerns and this is their response. I have been an AMA member off and on for over 30 years and I continue renewing my membership even though I have not flown at an AMA field in over a decade specifically because they have always (IMO) used their resources to keep the RC Hobby as free from regulation as possible. In my years in RC is have seen far more people breaking basic rules of flight that are not AMA members than I care to count. Some of them have their Part 107 but still don't seem to understand the basics of flight safety.
Here is their response.
You may be unaware of the work we have done on Capitol Hill for our members and the FPV community in particular. Our government affairs team pushed hard to get Congress to write legislation that would clear up the previous ambiguity surrounding FPV operations. Prior to 2018, the FAA’s interpretation was that FPV could only be done with a Part 107 waiver, but our members have been flying FPV responsibly for many years and the AMA felt it could continue to be done safely. There are many provisions in the 2018 FAA Reauthorization Act that are burdensome for our hobby - but one of our victories was our language was included in the 2018 FAA Reauthorization Act to clarify FPV operations are legal when done within our safety guidelines, no Part 107 needed. During that fight, no other recreational organization was fighting alongside us. AMA was the only one fighting to ensure FPV operations could be done without the burden of testing and paying for a Part 107 certificate.
The FAA will be reauthorized again this year. This is the first opportunity we have had to change the rules from the 2018 FAA Reauthorization. Our language includes relief for all operators, not just those flying at AMA sites. While we want to protect our members who do fly at a chartered club site, we are very aware that we have a very large number of members that don’t. We want to help all of our members and nonmembers as well. Believe it or not, we are incredibly invested in the future of the overall hobby, this includes all disciplines being operated anywhere.
We agree that Remote ID is a burden on the hobby and have pushed back on it from the very beginning, but a large portion of the rule is being driven by the DOD, Homeland Security, and other security agencies. Unfortunately, that is a big hill to climb. Nonetheless, we will continue to climb it. We are not done pushing back on remote ID requirements, but it has been made clear to us that 2023 FAA Reauthorization is not the vehicle to make those changes. We have a fight we are facing now regarding FRIA designations and operations over 400’. I have been disheartened at the amount of people that have responded to our congressional campaign saying ‘I will not reach out to my representative because neither of those things apply to me’. When the time comes that we are contacting members of Congress regarding raising the registration threshold, it will be a shame if the other side then says they will not contact their representatives because they only fly aircraft that weigh over that limit and since it doesn’t benefit them personally, they won’t help fight the cause for others in our community.
I find it disappointing when I see videos of people slandering AMA when I know all the work that we are doing in order to fight for the hobby overall. The drone community says we do nothing for them, while the fixed wing community says we cater to the drone community. We have spent thousands of hours educating members of congress and the FAA on our community, but still receive pushback regarding the safety and security of the airspace. And yet, I see no other organization representing the recreational operator to legislators on a regular basis. We don’t just go to them when we have a specific request, we go to share stories and the benefits our community has to offer. We maintain relationships with congressional offices across the country so when issues come up that impact our community, they know who we are. I’m sorry to hear you feel you have received no benefit from the AMA, but we’ll still continue to fight to reduce burdens on the hobby overall.
AMA
Director of Government Relations
That response seems only to confirm what JB said in his video. The AMA look after themselves. "one of our victories was our language was included in the 2018 FAA Reauthorization Act to clarify FPV operations are legal when done within our safety guidelines, no Part 107 needed. "
I don't want to do a point by point rebuttal of this, but for example: "Act to clarify FPV operations are legal when done within our safety guidelines"
This is an example of exactly what I'm talking about. The AMA fought to make FPV legal, but only if it was done within AMA safety guidelines. If somebody has a different opinion about what constitutes safe flight, it doesn't matter, because only the AMA's opinion matters. They have zero interest in collaboration with other RC organizations like FPVFC and FTCA as peers. They are interested in squashing other groups and vacuuming as many hobbyists as possible into their membership,.
The AMA only helps FPV hobbyists if/when doing cements the position of flying at an AMA field, under AMA regulations, as the only valid form of RC flight. They have zero interest in suporting anything that could result in decrease in their membership, even if it would be good for RC hobbyists as a whole. And this puts them in conflict with FPV multirotor pilots, who have very little incentive to fly at a traditional AMA-style flight field.
"And yet, I see no other organization representing the recreational operator to legislators on a regular basis."
Yes, well, when you have enough membership dues to hire paid lobbyists, that's something you can do. Meanwhile Dave Messina of the FPVFC is putting in hours and hours of unpaid time attending meetings and arguing for FPV as we know it. It's completely disingenuous to act like nobody else is willing to take up this mantle.
@@JoshuaBardwell done within AMA safety guidelines
I may be wrong, but does this require flying at an AMA field? Or just following their safety guidelines whenever you are flying in a public space? Such as if you are flying FPV you should have a spotter.
Do a search for AMA FPV guidelines and you will find a direct link.
If you don't like the AMA safety guidelines why not work with them to change them? I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of them. Especially if those guidelines prevent government agencies for further regulating any and all RC use. Do the other organizations provide safety guidelines? I honestly don't know.
I don't think I have ever seen an FPV pilot in a public space utilize a spotter. I have also seen numerous cases of drones being flown Beyond LOS. I will admit I fly mine Beyond LOS but when I do it is on uninhabited private property with a drone less than 250g.
I love the RC hobby in all forms. But growing up flying at AMA fields and learning their safety rules I get very frustrated with new Pilots (especially Drone) pilots that can buy a $400 drone at Costco and fly it around without any knowledge or consideration about what they are doing or any regards for safety.
Want to fly drones in abandoned buildings or empty parking lots with no spotter. Go for it. There is next to 0 chance of anything happening to anyone except those flying.
But flying an FPV drone in a public park with others around with no spotter is a very good way to ruin it for everyone. Accidents happen even with safety precautions. The problem is I don't see people taking any safety precautions at all.
"Do a search for AMA FPV guidelines and you will find a direct link."
I am very familiar with them. I am aware that AMA safety guidelines do not require flying at a field. However they are based on the mindset of a person flying at an AMA field and make certain assumptions that are not true for every situation.
"If you don't like the AMA safety guidelines why not work with them to change them?"
What makes you think I haven't?
"Especially if those guidelines prevent government agencies for further regulating any and all RC use"
How's that working out?
"Do the other organizations provide safety guidelines? I honestly don't know."
Both FTCA and FPVFC have their own safety guidelines, which were part of them getting approved as a CBO.
"I will admit I fly mine Beyond LOS but when I do it is on uninhabited private property with a drone less than 250g."
So it's ok for you to break the rules, because you do it in a way that you feel has acceptably low risk. Which is pretty much how everyone else who breaks the rules feels.
"I get very frustrated with new Pilots (especially Drone) pilots that can buy a $400 drone at Costco and fly it around without any knowledge or consideration about what they are doing or any regards for safety."
Me too. But the AMA is not the only way, or even the best way, to educate these people.
"But flying an FPV drone in a public park with others around with no spotter is a very good way to ruin it for everyone."
Nobody is arguing this point. But you're jumping from, "some people do dangerous things," to, "we must support the AMA," and I don't agree.
@@JoshuaBardwell
"we must support the AMA," and I don't agree
I am not saying you must support the AMA. What I am saying is that they actively support the Hobby in the best way they can with what they have available. I think that is where we disagree. But you are far far more active with a lot more knowledge to base your opinion than I do. That is exactly why I contacted the AMA for their retort and I was very surprised and pleased to get an answer within hours of sending the message.
I may be wrong and you may be right about the AMA, IDK.
We both want the same outcome (I think). RemoteID to not exist. I think we differ on who to support in obtaining that goal.
The statement at 17:53 is a very accurate summation. Basically my plan, don't do anything stupid, fly safely in an appropriate location and keep on flying. I have a 107, but if they want that back, they can have it at this point. I'm not interested in flying commercially anyway, nobody wants to pay for it.
Putting a hold on getting my 107 because of all this nonsense, would rather chance it as a 'pirate' as it stands today.
Honestly, unless you’re doing some big production, you probably don’t need a 107 and whomever you’re flying for probably doesn’t even know what a part 107 is
@@nathan1sixteen just some 'travel videos' for a client. As long as the risk is on me and not my client, all bets are off if I bring heat down on someone's business
13:16 yes thanks for saying this. The commercial world especially the smaller businesses are in trouble. I’m moving in to another business and completely dissolving my 10 year drone business. I’m 90% sub 250g commercial flight and it isn’t possible to comply and i can’t financially handle a set of fines.
I stopped flying fixed wing aircraft years ago when the FAA introduced the requirement that you had to register your planes because I didn't want to deal with it. This is why I'm mostly trying to fly sub 250g now.
I also fly sub 250g
Just fly Man... Nobody is going to say diddly to you.. This cant be enforced.. There is absolutely no hope local law enforcment are goin around looking for drones.. Unless the Faa are willing to spend billions and set up a robocop unit , scouring the country.. Just go about your buisness without interfiering with the public..
ever since i started this hobby i never reginsered anything. You didnt need to quit wings, i have 12+ planes and drones that arent registered for 5+ years lol
@@DivisionRccause you haven't been caught
same it sucks, I'm going to miss flying the bigger quads. So sub 250g and fpv cars are probably what I'm going to do instead
Thanks!
You’re walking a very fine line Josh. I’d really watch how you present your arguments against the government. Love ya buddy, hope the family is well
Well that sounds like a threat! Kinda sounds like bullying!
Don't turn the whole world on it's head, governments are allegedly here to serve us.
Not the other way around.
Josh vary well said. great sense of humor. your awesome. I'm almost 60 and I love building and flying FPV. vary fun and awesome hobby. And it wouldn't be the same without you.
Here is my spin on the topic. Remote ID is an effort to control and minimize the number of hobby drones in order to pave the way for big box retailers and mega-delivery services. Big businesses want that oh-so-valuable airspace from 0' to 400', and they don't want to share. Walmart, Amazon, Best Buy, UPS, you name it, they have lobbying power.
This was a good video. Much appreciated. Especially the message of hope which is the most practical information that I give others too.
Option 2 for protecting yourself: Have your visual observer carry a gun to protect you from bad actors that now have an app to track their victims. Good news is that they will not have to register their gun because as everyone knows, guns are nowhere near as dangerous as a drone.
Your arguments against guns will be the same used against drones.
@@UnumDeum I didn’t make an argument against guns. All I did was point out that people have died to gun violence and there is no requirement to even register while drones require registration and soon will require that the pilots are tracked on a phone app. Cars do not have a remote tracking requirement either.
Oh Joshua you are the best. It’s been years since I’ve been in the air and I am trying to catch up on the new wave of things. Thanks
The whole remote id thing is bullshit for sure. I don't think it's going to effect me where I live but I still hope we can eventually do something about it.
Well freakin' said, JB. Seriously, you posed some very compelling points and gave great examples of each 'sides' point of view. Especially liked when you came full circle with the compliance vs non compliance circumstances. Good on you, man.
A good situational update, but remote ID is just one step of many to come. The end game is getting amateurs out of the airspace. They won't stop until this happens. I and many others have left the hobby for good because of it, so their strategies are working.
That's the sad thing. So many people are fine ignoring or downplaying the struggles of others that we collectively have given up our bargaining power, so now that Amazon and UPS see us as a mild problem, and casually decides to step on us, no one cares. It's just something to think about the next time you see someone complaining about something you don't feel is a big deal.
Why leave the hobby?
No need to act defeated.
@pallidinyou for me, it's just a hobby. The rules are too much to bother with. They took the fun out of it for me. It's not about a fight for me. You go for it, you can fight.
@@TicTac-g7m He's not acting, he is defeated. It's not his fault.
I'll support anything I can for the hobby but for me I've only been flying sub 250g because I'm still not good enough for a big boy quad. I still have fun and really enjoy the hobby and want to support it any way I can.
Truly surprised that the issue hasn't been framed as a threat to "the children"
There's a whole group of people who have staked there whole personality on protecting kids from the adrinochrome harvesters. (Wonder what Hunter s Thompson would think about that one)
They could definitely be weaponized
No one needs to protect kids from adrenochrome harvesters. They get plenty of that at abortion clinics, same as with the stem cells.
Don't give them ideas.
You flagged my comment? Hahahahhaha! TRIGGERED!! Cry more, groomer!
this rule applies to models of 250 grams and up.
kids shouldn't be flying those unless they have adult supervision.
you can kill a man with a 250 gram helicopter.
@darkracer1252 You can kill a man with a rock or a stick. Gonna regulate those also?
Yeah I with you on I’m just going to keep flying at my house and every once and awhile I’ll fly at my park when nobody is around. I just can’t see anyone giving me a problem doing that. I’m not breaking any flying laws. Just ripping and flipping it. Also thinking about buying one of the small quads from rotor riot so if I’m out somewhere else I won’t have a problem. The one under weight.
R-ID is the reason I sold all my drone gear in the Spring. I live in an area with too many Karens and a police force with nothing better to do than bother a pilot who was doing noithing "wrong" or dangerous. DAILY, I was asked by either a Karen or a cop what I was doing. Wasn't worth the headache when R-ID was added in. Still follow JB and a few other drone channels but thats about it. EDIT: I did follow all the old FAA stuff like registering ALL my drone, putting the FAA ID number on ALL my drones, even did the safety thing (not Part 107). So, i flew safe and "legal" other than I rarely used a spotter, unless you count my dog as my spotter.
Great video Joshua, thanks for being a rational voice in the debate. A while ago when they prohibited drone flying in National Parks we saw people taking great drone footage and posting it on their TH-cam channel, and subsequently that very video used in evidence to prosecute them for that breach of the law. Non compliance with RID maybe okay for most guys as you say, but I see it being that guys can't post the videos on TH-cam any more for that very reason unless they comply and show the module in the video.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I am so very worn out by the whole RID subject right now, I can't even social media. It's to the point of why are we allowing folks to "scare" everyone? Look just the other day, we had a young adult male & his girlfriend try to help our drone when it went down in a field behind our house. He was driving down a dnr road to go for a hike, he pulled over when he saw the drone go down and proceeded to pick it out of a bush and put it up right. He then talked to the GoPro and told us that he was only trying to help, to not arm the kwad. He was AWESOME. The day after, we flew down by the lake where there was very little to no traffic when all of a sudden we had a father and his two young boys and a couple come running over to check out our drones. We did a ride a long and Gardo scored a job at a restaurant in downtown Milwaukee. We gave the couple Rotor Riots information as the husband was all about learning more and we all went on our way. We have never had a negative experience with the public and our drones here in Wisconsin. It's not scary, most people are super excited to learn more. Anyway, great video, thank you so much for being the positive force on this whole subject. Oh and thanks for the additional information on the AMA, I was considering starting my membership up again but I'm no longer second guessing and not renewing. 😉
Great video on this subject! One of the best ones I've watched! Thank you for putting this out for our community bro!
Predictions: LEO's will not bother with this on there own time to ensure compliance - laziness will prevail. It will take one Ken or Karen to use their mobile app and then get a LEO to validate/verify followed with a report filed to the FAA. FAA will then issue a massive fine to establish a 'chilling' effect. They don't have to go after everyone. The RID rules will be deemed a success and will encourage RID version 2 where the module will be hardened even further to prevent nuisance swarming/spoofing techniques. Existing RID modules will have to be firmware updated to version 2 for compliance. RID version 1 modules that cannot be updated to comply will become e-waste. The technological warfare will be lost as gov't has unlimited resources to fund regulators and engineers to innovate RID such that the 400 ft ceiling and below airspace is cleared of all activity and can only legally be used by deep corp interests and military. Eventually there will be NO legal way one can fly at all. Much like simply walking down the street - there is multiple misdemeanors occurring since there are so/too many laws that exist. One way out of this hell-hole of over regulation would be that all new laws MUST have a sunset provision. So that at least there is some dim/remote hope/chance that bad laws/rules can expire.
I’m also into shooting sports and it’s the same BS with the ATF. If you just live your life and ignore them, the rules they make to impose on you are nothing more than a joke about how no one takes them seriously. I think your point is valid and well said. Even if an FAA inspector stops and questions you, pleading ignorance is your best option.
I started this video wondering how to make my long range fixed wing build compliant, but since the consensus seems to be, "fuck the faa" I guess I'll just go with that 😂
Wow, out of the park Josh. Thank you for all this great level headed information.
The civil disobedience advice was quite sage. Non compliance by itself helps no one.
You fly at 25mw and with a spotter bro? Never go bvlos? 😂
Not true.
Thats not true at all hahaha non compliance is the one thing they HAVE to listen to.
@@bugsy742 for a long time I have been this strict about regulations. And even I personally say to hell with rid.
@@cyberoverkill5844 I’m in the U.K. mate, I know we will have something similar in time, I wasn’t bothered by the rid at first as I know governments always do what they want anyway so was just gonna ignore it but my concern for you guys in the USA is that you literally have a UAP task force looking at being implemented by the end of the year, what that will mean for drones I don’t know but nothing good that’s for sure!
Guess we are on a countdown to a quad being used in a false flag event! - that I am sure of! Imagine all the normies out there with the rid app once something like that happens! 😵👍🤝
AMA giving me some NRA vibes coming from the 2A community
They are 1 and the same, lol. They’re the brand everyone attacks, but are nothing but are actually the most useless POS out there
You mean useless money laundering org that is totally antithetical to what they claim to represent?
Great video. Honestly, I think that one of the reasons the FAA is doing this is to force hobbyists into a corral where they can be monitored so that the gov't can auction off the aerospace to corporations. At that point, flying a drone outside of an approved area will be illegal. And remember, flying FPV solo is ALREADY against regs because of the idiotic LOS rules.
Remote ID Illegal Immigrants, drugs, guns, truant school kids, transsexual draft registration evaders,.... That perfect world of absolute control awaits. All that's required is your compliance.
I have stopped buying helicopters, I have only two now, amd i wont buy anymore.
I fly, at times, at my RC field, to fly there I have to be AMA member, passed trust test, and have helicopters registered with FAA.
My club now has over 125 members, flying there is now a joke, so many people!.
I will most likely buy a RID, so I can fly in my back yard. As I usually fly there 95% of the time.
I wish you had hit on what class of air spaces is also.
Well done video, it was very informative informative
I don't think it's going to be as much the RID itself that will be an issue, but all the RID Karen's and Ken's that will cause more issues not only for the legit or non legit pilots but the Karen's&Kens themselves too. There's going to be some lvl of violence against these most annoying members in society.
depends on the range that people show up.
i doubt i'd be able to see people on the other side of town. (and if i could i'd be going there to fly together)
What I know is a Federal agency is killing a hobby while Congress is crapping their pants about the PGA and golf.
Thank you Joshua, well said. I do hope compliance doesn't lead to more tightening. I hate to see the 8@stards win this one. The control issues of our government are getting worse and worse. This is part of a more systemic problem we have with the Brandon administration.
It clearly will. Its NEVER enough. Crime will ALWAYS happen. Do not comply!
You are very correct. Just like the vast majority of car drivers can speed with impunity the vast majority of drone owners have nothing to fear from the literal handful of FAA people. Besides, the rule says you have to have a remote id module. I haven't read where it says that module has to actually work. I hate when I forget to charge a battery.
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Forgot to comment on the subject, I was soooo distracted. Team, it's inevitable. Besides, most of you reading this have been flying illegally (technically) since the 250g limit was put into place. How was the time served? 😂🤣 I think the CBO's are just about the only way we have to fight back, but we don't want to embrace them. We don't support the FAA, by the numbers. Ok, how will a TH-cam rant change that? There's a place the discourse turns into regulation and legislature, and we instead let the lobbyists and orgs we don't support shape the future rules.
This conversation has unEarthed a lot of, stigmas(?) and some (interesting?) understandings of the upcoming regulations. I think that everyone's concerns are legitimate, especially those that are backed with knowledge (why we're *here* after all).
I plead with all of you to become as aware as you feel is right, and make a choice of how to fight, and choose your battleground wisely. If another opportunity to offer comment to the FAA happens, please please please speak up, or don't. Just make sure you're making the best choice you can for *YOU*
This was a great video, but that beard hair has held my focus for longer than I want to admit.
Scrolled down to make sure there was a comment on this 😂 As soon as I saw it, couldn't look away
@@trevorschulz Right?!
Are there FPV drones out there that have an c1 label? (flying with remote id in the A1 category up to 900grams ). That way we can still fly everywhere and are not forced to fly in a A3 category (150meter away from everything).
Great video Joshua. Thank you for a a well balanced perspective on the RID issue.
uhmm.. whats remote -id??? I fly my quad one feet away from me.. lol.
Very nice presentation JB! Thanks for everything you do!
They also said the modules would be affordable. To a hobbyist on a fixed income, they are way out of touch for my ten year old camera drone.
A well constructed summary. A few points, though:
It seems to me one of the more insidious parts is the sub 250 'recreational and educational' exemption. It is so tightly drawn that a lot who think they are exempt, actually aren't. It seems it is not 'act commercially' and you are not exempt, but simply 'do anything that isn't strictly recreational' and you aren't, money doesn't necessarily come into it. That is just about anything from posting videos on social media, to looking for a lost dog, to ... well, anything. So really, the exemption means diddly squat to many flyers. In fact, a 25g AUW FPV whoop could need remote ID depending on how you are flying it.
If there is one thing it might be worth fighting to change, it is the definition of that exemption. Always assuming of course that sub 250 doesn't turn into sub 'something rather less than 250' at some point. It would be logical if that limit did drop for two reasons: the first is that 250g craft are becoming more and more capable, and more and more people are going there, the second is that if you are a bureaucracy controlling the public and your target disappeared into the 'sub 250' thicket, human nature of the hunter vs the hunted means you'd go in after the target - the rights and wrongs of the actual number have little to do with it.
You may be right that local law enforcement aren't interested in their own right, but if some member of the public makes a complaint, however unwarranted, I guess they have to follow it up? Who wants to argue with cops, it seldom ends well, all the odds are all on their side. I don't know that I'd be taking the risk.
You are quite right about non-compliance as a means of change, it only works if public opinion is right behind it.
I wish you luck with all this, especially someone like you with your form of business. I'm in the UK, so it doesn't affect us - yet. But the thought is that it will before long in some form. Our CAA is no more reasonable than your FAA. If it comes here in a way that affects me, I will not fit it, on principle. Since I'm fairly law abiding, that'll be the end of a hobby for me. Pity.
I wouldn’t really worry about it there are a lot of contractors (deck building) that have a quad to take pictures of their work (for a commercial purpose) that have never even heard of part 107, I don’t think it’s going to be heavily enforced
THIS! Thank you for creating this video on RID. I appreciate that you went over several different view points.
I love the idea of the RID generator. I can see a new device in my field bag in the near future.
Whike this doesn't apply to me, rhe CAA might decide to kmllement a similar system in the UK. What im trying to get my head around is you said three bits of information need to be broadcasted, gps location of the craft, gps location of the pilot, and id of craft. What if the craft doesnt have gps, nor the controller? How is this information going to get broadcast?
The craft is required to have GPS. If using Standard RemoteID, the system is required to identify the pilot's location, such as by putting GPS in the goggles or controller. If using Module RemoteID, the system broadcasts the takeoff location.
@@JoshuaBardwell so there is a Remote ID module that incorporates a MCU, GPS and TX to broadcast all of this info that can be retro fitted to all older crafts? Sorry for all of the questions but trying to get my head around how all of this is going to work. I used to fly helis going back about 12-14 years ago., Eflite Blade 400 and Align Trex 450, but gave it all up as I went into another expensive hobby. Took up photography back in 2018 and back in April purchased a DJI Mini 3 Pro but have recently taken an interest in FPVs. I thank you for all of the informative videos, if it wasn't for guys like yourself and Oscar Liang I'd be still struggling how to bind 😂
Bravo Joshua, you finally made your stand and it was brilliant. 🎉hats off sir.