This is the 1st Harley I have ever actually likes. It’s almost as if they woke up and realized they need to get with the times and stop making bikes with ancient technology….. This is a Harley I actually want to own. Well done Harley well done. I hope they go this direction with all of their bikes moving forward.
they need a mix of classic and modern bikes. some people are all about performance and modern innovation..some guys like me just like old, slow, air cooled classic harley sound and styling. if they modernize all bikes like this they will lose a big market..
@@m3talc0re I feel the same way and I've ridden a few Harleys. This bike is a far cry from every other Harley bike. If you slapped a Ducati badge on this and told me after a ride that it was actually a Harley, I'd have slapped you 😂 this bike is a beast and is worlds different from the standard "reminiscing the old days" crap they peddle out to old people.
I have a selection of bikes from a Royal Enfield cafe racer, GSXR1000R, Harley Iron XL 883n, and now I've just purchased a new Sportster S!!! Definitely my most favourite bike yet!!! The torque is really impressive. HD have really impressed me with this new venture.
It’s interesting to see reactions to this bike. Cruiser guys generally are less impressed, sport bike guys are more impressed. I ride a 2009 Sportster- I can’t wait to try this new Sportster out. I think it *might* be my ultimate bike.
Great honest non biased review. I've owned the bike for a couple of weeks now limited riding with the PA winter weather but have almost 100 miles on her now. Been riding Harleys and cruisers my whole life and I have to tell you, this thing has a weird seating position with the forward controls. I have the mids on order can't wait to get rid of these forward controls. Our roads are pretty decent around here and I'm used to sportster stiff suspension so the ride doesn't bother me. The power is amazing love the bike wish it had some sort of storage compartment though to keep the paper work. I'll be adding the tail bag, engine guard, and wind screen to make her my own. Thanks for the review love your channel.
OC crew 🤙!!! My daily is a “2021 Honda CB1000R” & I’ve never ridden a Harley but this bike has me very tempted! May have to make some more room in the garage.
I've always been a harley fan boy. I don't care about cutting up corners or going fast. It's about the classic look and engine sound. Very raw feeling bikes. I'm Glad they introduced this bike for guys like you but I'm sad they are discontinuing the old sportster. The Evo engine was the last classic harley motor with that awesome sound. I've always said it's more fun to drive slow bikes fast than vice versa. A harley being able to smoke a Yamaha mt09 or some 600 sport bikes from 0 to 100 is very bizarre lol.
If you wanna bring your Harley anything to the Midwest to try and “smoke” my MT-09, bring it on. I’ll race you for titles. Otherwise, refrain from making ignorant statements such as that.
This review made up my mind about the Sporster S, endup buying one in NJ, was the first one on the state when I purchased…. Pretty unique experience. Felt in love after my first test ride. The rest is history…. Rode a few miles since then. A lot of questions I had about the setting and general things, not even the dealer was ready to answer it, haha since was so new, and they didn’t had any time with this model… now that I had a few days to reflect on this purchase, I feel that I made the correct choice. I’m in my late 30s, and about 5’9 , só the ergonomics were just about perfect with very feel adjustments were needed…. Hope with overtime this will be reliable, I guess only time will tell…. 😁
OC: For someone who is obsessed with performance cruisers like the Magna, Vmax, Valkyrie, etc; it has been a long time coming for Harley to build a modern engine. I ride a 2005 Sportster 1200 this year and my only gripe is I am killing it with my sport style riding and it not having a good cooling system. Liquid cooling has been HD's missing piece in making a reliable engine. I am considering getting another harley depending on the other Sportster trim models they release rather than a Rebel 1100.
OC: As a Harley rider I have to hold out faith that this sportster like all of our others will have a MASSIVE aftermarket offering... in time. The engine and super light sub-frame are the goal, if history holds true basically every inch of this bike will be customizable so every con mentioned will be changeable/upgradable. Just have to wait for the options to start rolling out. Im here for it though, I want to throw a leg over to be sure, but as of right now, I will be picking one up.
I know at around 20:40 you said the mid controls might be better, but I'm actually exited to try my first forward control bike. Longer distance rides being comfortable was a big selling point for me
OC: I think the Sportster S sounds great from the reviews and definitely has it's place in getting more people to the Harley brand. I don't think it would be a direct competitor for the Diavel. Maybe the FTR 1200.
OC: I’ve loved Harley’s since I was young. I even bought a 2016 Sportster 48 new from the dealership and loved it. But I have long since thought that they needed to make something like this. Awesome bike.
Rode this thing in sturgis this past Saturday and can back up the power of this thing, 120 mph in 4th gear with out trying hard, stop sign burn outs where easy with all the torque, the mode changes made a huge difference in throttle response, want this bike for sure
I just bought my first Harley Davidson a month ago. I started riding at the end of 2019 on a 2017 Yamaha R3 that I got with 1,000 miles on it. It was a great bike to learn on. I had a blast every time I rode, put about 5500 miles on it, and did a few motorcycle courses using it. I ended up selling it last month to upgrade and sold it for almost what I bought it for. In 2020, Harley released the updated Low Rider S and I knew i'd have one at some point. They touted it as a more sport oriented cruiser. With inverted forks, dual disc brakes upfront, and a relatively low weight compared to bigger cruisers, the HD LRS has blown me away. I'd be very interested to see what Chase and the team has to say about the Low Rider S. Coming off the R3, i'm surprised how good the LRS handles. I'm excited to see what Harley does to further grasp us younger riders. Thanks for the great content.
@@alexduey7868 I agree. I ended up selling it for almost what I paid for it. Since the market is so wild right now, I couldn't keep it. Selling that was like 25% down on my 2021 HD. One day I will definitely own another R3 for weekend fun. It was such a nice motorcycle.
The one brake rotor was done to ease the steering of the bike by reducing the rotating mass. Some adventure/enduro rider swap to a single disc front for a lighter steering, also reduce unsprung mass for more traction. And of course... OC BABY!
yeah , it's almost as if BUELL nailed it 20 years ago and developed an innovative system based on this concept before fucktards at Harley cut funding, huh?
I haven’t rode it yet. If I was to get a Sportster S. I would have the mid-control foot pegs installed because this will enable me to lift myself up if I see a bump coming up easily. I do that all the time on my Street Triple 765RS. We have lots of bad bumps all over the San Francisco Bay Area.
Great video, but I bought the 2022 Nightster-not the same old Harley styling. I tuned the suspension to my weight and I took it to the Tail of the Dragon. It performed similar to the previous Ducati Monster 696 with its light weight and easy to maneuver in tight turns. I prefer the Road mode as it is very smooth. It went from 60 to100 in a matter of seconds at 4,600 RPM.
OC: 1. Another plus on getting this over the Ducati Diavel is that you would be buying American. I’ve always wanted to say that …we are a two car family and both of them are Honda’s (it’s hard to beat Japanese reliability) Anyways, this is a bike that I genuinely like the design but also seems to better than most of the competition in this category. 2. I would also add the Yamaha Vmax into this sport/cruiser/bruiser category. I’ve ridden both the Vmax and the Diavel (the Diavel was way more enjoyable than the Vmax - and cooler looking). I haven’t tried out the Sportster yet. Might have a chance this weekend - I can’t wait!
@@jeepstertj556 seems so to me as well, thanks for keeping me updated with the news !!! I seriously love this engine from harley ! Also dig the looks of the sportster s .
OC: I ride a VRod Muscle, I like the new direction HD is leaning toward, however I think the mid/forward controls should be a no cost option. Forward for Cruiser riders, Mid for those coming from sport bikes
OC- As an HD owner with a dirt background, I love this thing. One day I would love to have this as a second bike. Longer travel shock & forks, mid controls, comfy seat, passenger seat, and a set of slip ons would make this thing perfect.
This Sportster S with a tune and an exhaust is a monster of a cruiser. There's a Thai bike shop that has one dynoing at ~122 hp and 121 ft/lbs torque with just those two things. Pretty crazy for the weight, since it's under 500 lbs (custom exhaust is lighter than the stock, 502 lbs stock).
OC: maybe in the line of a BMW R Nine T.. similar price point and I think they are wanting to take BMW on, they want it to be a hit in Europe so they can meet Euro 5 compliance and show they can hang with the big boys, across the pond.
OC- I hope more people give Harley a chance with this new engine they got going on. Even if you don't like them, at least give them a chance before talking bad about them. Their dealerships are one thing, but then again I've never went to a dealership to buy a bike just because I like the fake smile people give me. I go just to buy the bike.
the harley bronx would be the equivalent to the monster and ftr. sporsters s is equivalent to the indian bobber and other power cruisers like the diavel
@@Matt-qh5sm the bronx is aimed at the monster but it lost before it hit the street. The new monster is 40lbs lighter than the previous model so harley shelved the bronx to focus on the sportster line. Which 5 different models are in the works right now, including a tracker model to compete with the ftr
OC. I’m a Harley guy but I was really interested to see what you would think of the bike. Good solid review. I thinks it’s target competition is Indian but definitely shooting for others as well. As far as dealers go I do ride ATVs and snowmobiles so I have experience with all brands of dealers. There are good ones and bad ones amongst all brands. I would honestly go as far to say my experience in Harley dealers for the most part is better than that of other brands. It’s like any other work environment if management is good the dealers is good if management is hard to work for it trickles down to the customer experience.
6:32 A low CoG is *not* conducive to maneuverability - it merely makes a heavy bike easy to pick up when you drop it. Maneuverable bikes invariably have CoGs that are quite elevated. The further the CoG is from the tyre contact patch ,the less lateral force is required from the contact patch to make the bike lean (rotate around the CoG). You are describing low speed stability ,not maneuverability. Two unrelated things.
OC. I love your real riding, comprehensive review. Thanks a lot. Looking forward to riding one of these. I'm a Harley guy all the way. This bike excites me.
OC: love the direction HD is going but my dad and uncles are stuck on the old HD heritage. Saying these new bikes from HD are “heartless”. This is what they have to do in order to keep their company alive though.
@@6amamoeba677 Far from the truth. Second hand market is flooded with more than acceptable condition H-D bikes at good prices, which is what hinders new sales in one way or another. People still prefer the air cooled engines that H-D has made over the years, it's just that either they can't afford to own a new one or that they are not willing to pay the high price tag. It's not a problem concerning state-of-the-art technology. In other countries, little displacement bikes with basic technology are a huge success.
Wonder if you could compare it to the Triumph Rocket 3R or what you think of it? It's definitely out of our price range but as a super cruiser or sportster competitor and with the infotainment and modes, like a sport bike.
I am torn between getting the sportster s in the next 6 months to getting the rocket 3 in a year or more.. especially because I want the 3r black which is hard to find and its 6-10k more.... but it would really look nice next to my 06 speed triple haha
OC. Top notch production value as always Chase. You guys are truly the benchmark for that on YT. I think the new Sporster S is very interesting and it is genuinely GREAT that HD is trying to evolve. I wish them godspeed and good luck on their journey but I won't be going with them. I've owned 7 Harleys (4 Sportys, 2 Dynas and one Road King) over the last 2 decades. I've put up with inflated prices for bikes and bad service at snobby dealerships all along the way. Unless and until that aspect of the Motor Company changes, I will cheer on their efforts from the saddles of my non-HD motorcycles. ✌Ride Positive y'all!
I think you are spot on, on your review. Maybe H-D used FWD controls so guys like you buy a bike like this and get used to FWD controls and later when you decide to switch over to another model like the touring you are already used to it. Just a wild guess.
Me too. An updated Buell would be nice. I owed one of the first ones (1996 S1) and I only sold it cause I could no longer get certain parts for it. But the bike was one of 5000 and only 1 of 3000 sold in the USA. So it was understandable that parts are no longer available. But the Bronx with the Pan Am 1250 motor would be a serious contender in the naked bike segment.
@@jeepstertj556 close friend, and youngest son, both work at my local dealer. Both have said "totally unconfirmed, but the Bronx is coming, XR 750 and 1200 are being revived, and the og Sportsters will get the new motor, with 950-975, and 1250 displacements. First I've heard of the cafe racer. H-D is finally waking up and getting competitive.
I think they were right to put forward controls. A lot of customers actually put forwards on stock Harleys with mids, most of the time it is the very first mod they do.
I know everyone is complaining about the rear suspension travel but no one mentions how much sidewall the tire has and how it effects ride quality I'd bet if you dropped the psi on the rear by 5 psi and tuned the suspension to rely a little more on the the rear tire for dampening you could smooth it out a bit
As a primarily a sort bike minded guy. I found myself getting a cruiser/ touring bike from them when they didn't have the one I went there for (used SV650). It was already sold. I love my cruiser now. Since then I began to look at them more and found me anticipating the release of the Bronx that was discontinued. Now that after hearing so much from several different people I'm trying to find a local dealer that has one in stock to test ride or at least sit on. As I know this has been a while give them a shot as times are changing and so is the general mentality as people get older and new and younger take over ideas change.
OC: great video! I think you are right on with the suspension. I switched out my stock shocks on my sporty with 13" Legend piggyback shocks, and it now rides smoother than my Ultra Limited. I almost feel its a waste of a shock to only have 2" travel. I would have gone 3-3.5" travel and perhaps make a seat with 2 positions for shorter inseam riders. I would have also gone with 2 rotors, because I do think people will ride this bike like they stole it especailly with that engine! Other than that I think this bike beats every bike in its class with performance and aesthetics. The Diavel and 1290 Super Duke are in a higher performance class. However, when that Rev Max Bronx comes out it may be time for people to replace their Biscotti Espressos and Weinerschnitzels for a Cafe Americano. I would be interested in comparing the dyno charts for the Biscotti, Weinerschnitzel, and Americano to see if the Americano hits its power band quicker.
OC: Maybe not directly in competition with the Ducati, but close. I'm from the age of the power cruiser, V-Max, V65 Magna. Where you prayed the front-end didn't' lift so high you went on over, raw brute force. The Sportster (to me) is a cruiser with a big bucket load of power that can get out and run, but more refined than brutal. I'm not a huge Sportster fan myself, but I do want to see what HD does with the new engine package, and yeah, if I find a demo days nearby, I'd take it out for a ride.
I rode one this past weekend i loved it it did 137 with ease an wheelies in sport mode in first gear without trying just rolling full throttle from a slow roll
That’s what I was worried about the sportster s is for corning. I want a liter but I’m tired of bending over tbh, but it’s also nice you can get mid controls instead of forward controls. Great video I’m probably gonna pick one up!
OC: I think it has been said in one of the livestreams: A Harley, is a Harley. You can't compare these bikes to another brand. :) Love the looks and the technology on this bike!! :o You actually made me interested in this Sportster.
You can compare them to their direct competition. Indian. The entire reason they have a digital dash, and water cooling. The Scout and FTR are selling at a crazy rate so it's only natural to compete. We all win.
OC - I would say the Sportster S and the Ducati just fill out that sport cruiser segment, but are not direct competitors. Kinda like a gsxr 750 and a H2 are both in the sport bike category, but are not direct competitors. BTW, outstanding review!!!!
OC: This was directly aimed at the Indian Scout, but I'd say its competitors include the Diavel, Rebel 1100, the VMAX(I know its dead), and the Boulevard M109BOSS
It's a beautiful and amazing bike but it comes with a few headaches. During winter it was a NIGHTMARE getting it started. A few problems with the ECM and a couple weeks on the shop dealing with software issues. Now bike is running smoothly and let me tell ya... it's FAST !
I would love to see/hear a comparison video between the Triumph Rocket III, Sportster S and Diavel 1260. Which would be a clear winner? Let's go! Make it happen Chase.
Chase you need to get some experience on the standard, older Sportster & bigger Harleys, to get a real sense of how different this new Sportster actually is, including some research on the whole drive train between this new one compared to the standard Harleys. Only by doing these things, can it be determined whether this new bike offers superior engineering. Yeah, I have asked for a lot. But this will be a worthwhile learning experience. Like you, I too, have reservations about their dealerships.
Harley turn signals. Push right button for right blinker; left for left blinker. They self-cancel, or you can cancel by pressing them again. Press both at once for emergency flasher.
I never thought there'd be a day that I want an HD bike to the same degree I want other bikes I really desire like the R7, RS660, Daytona 675R, Bonnie Bobber, Spitfire Bobber and Six, but hot damn I'd love to have one of these once I reach the intermediate level of experience.
This bike needs work. Rear wheel suspension travel is 2 inches, add forward controls and a jockey seat equals uncomfortable ride.. heavy wheels and single disc brake up front is not sport and a horribly big exhaust. Again look at the seat
@@johnengland8619 You just typed a whole lot of nothing (as far as replying to me goes) 'cause what's comfortable or good for you will likely be different for me. Seeing as how I've not ridden the bike, I can't just blindly agree with the supposed cons you're listing (other than the bit about forwards 'cause forwards are ass). Also, I love the exhaust and I typically can't stand the AA guns that come on most bikes thanks to all these bs regulations and what not.
Man I love my Evo Sporty, but this thing makes me so pumped! Once the aftermarket gets ahold of this new bike and all the crazy custom parts the Harley community makes starts coming around, this thing is going to be such a monster bike to rip. Edit: Also! Most people I've seen don't buy Harley branded parts due to the upcharge, aftermarket companies will make mid control kits for WAY cheaper.
@@ZipKickGo Dude right! I'm honestly super excited to see what kinda crazy builds come out of this bike once the aftermarket for it has been well established
@@OkDude7861 Honestly for me, a set of pipes will be enough. That bike's more than fast enough for anything I'd ever want it to do. If anything, maybe a rear shock upgrade and call it a day.
I have an Evo as well. The only thing I’m concerned about is the Sportster S sound. I freaking love how the Evo sounds with V&H short shots. I don’t think this new engine is going to give me the same feeling.
@@cmfall1986 I agree with you on that, my Evo has drag pipes and it is knarly. But with the redesign of the engine from sohc to dohc, that gives it a lot more higher rpm capability meaning it will still sound loud as hell with aftermarket pipes but won't have that slower firing order sound we're used to. My best comparison so far is my buddies MT-07 inline twin. He has it straight piped and it's a touch quieter than my evo by about 500cc's. I think we'll enjoy the engines sound.
I like how you are honest about your experience as a sport bike rider and how this affected your ride. I'm currently on a Z1000 and am looking to this bike as a possible replacement or an addition. Thanks! OC
OC: I'd be interested to see a side by side comparison of the Sportster S and the Diavel too. I test rode a 2021 Fatbob and the Pan America this month just to get a feel of how the new Sportster S would feel. Can't wait to see it on show room floors.
I love this bike but I'll have to see how it feels. I'm 6-1 and if its as comfortable as my '17 Vulcan S which I bought new I'm sold. I'm hopeful, I thought I was going to have to a XDiavel . I'm not in the target demo at 50 years old
I have a Nightrod with mid controls .. great bike but the mid controls suck, you feel like your squatting on the pegs .. being 6 feet tall I feel like I have to fold my legs up under me.. that and the pegs hit you right in the shins if you try and move the bike. I am in the process of trying to trade in the Nightrod on an S and one of the main reasons is the forward layout. I have a GSXR-1000 and a Hyabusa and they are both more comfortable then the Nigthrod (vrod).
Great video this! Great to hear opinion from a sports bike guy that had plenty of good parts and bad parts to say about the bike. Not just ripping into it because it’s a Harley Davidson
Chase your reviews are always candid, quite fair & thorough. Appreciated. Finally, Harley has allowed itself to adopt a great new truly non-Harleyisc engine, similar to the Porsche designed engine that was on the V-Rod, wrongly dispensed with, by Harley. Yes, mid controls are the way to go, as they give much better control & comfort than forwards.
I hate that I love where HD is going. I was so ready to give up on them.
I still just hate them
The Pan-American is sick, I was looking forward to the Bronx too. Guess the Sportater will have to do. Still neat, but the Bronx seemed super cool
This is the 1st Harley I have ever actually likes. It’s almost as if they woke up and realized they need to get with the times and stop making bikes with ancient technology….. This is a Harley I actually want to own. Well done Harley well done. I hope they go this direction with all of their bikes moving forward.
Ignorant comments like this just tell me you've not been on many (any?) Harleys
@@m3talc0re Exactly.
they need a mix of classic and modern bikes. some people are all about performance and modern innovation..some guys like me just like old, slow, air cooled classic harley sound and styling. if they modernize all bikes like this they will lose a big market..
@@m3talc0re I feel the same way and I've ridden a few Harleys. This bike is a far cry from every other Harley bike. If you slapped a Ducati badge on this and told me after a ride that it was actually a Harley, I'd have slapped you 😂 this bike is a beast and is worlds different from the standard "reminiscing the old days" crap they peddle out to old people.
@@nashslife4044 what harley's have you rode? I doubt it's any new softails...
I have a selection of bikes from a Royal Enfield cafe racer, GSXR1000R, Harley Iron XL 883n, and now I've just purchased a new Sportster S!!! Definitely my most favourite bike yet!!! The torque is really impressive. HD have really impressed me with this new venture.
It’s interesting to see reactions to this bike. Cruiser guys generally are less impressed, sport bike guys are more impressed.
I ride a 2009 Sportster- I can’t wait to try this new Sportster out. I think it *might* be my ultimate bike.
I know this was posted 2 years ago, but did you ever get to try the new Sportster S? Impressions?
I always said if hd made an actual bike I'd show up to support it. Here i am, now let's see some show up at the dealership.
Great honest non biased review. I've owned the bike for a couple of weeks now limited riding with the PA winter weather but have almost 100 miles on her now. Been riding Harleys and cruisers my whole life and I have to tell you, this thing has a weird seating position with the forward controls. I have the mids on order can't wait to get rid of these forward controls. Our roads are pretty decent around here and I'm used to sportster stiff suspension so the ride doesn't bother me. The power is amazing love the bike wish it had some sort of storage compartment though to keep the paper work. I'll be adding the tail bag, engine guard, and wind screen to make her my own. Thanks for the review love your channel.
OC crew 🤙!!! My daily is a “2021 Honda CB1000R” & I’ve never ridden a Harley but this bike has me very tempted! May have to make some more room in the garage.
I’ve got a 2019 cb1000r and have the same thought!
Did you ever pull the trigger on the Sportster S?
I've always been a harley fan boy. I don't care about cutting up corners or going fast. It's about the classic look and engine sound. Very raw feeling bikes. I'm Glad they introduced this bike for guys like you but I'm sad they are discontinuing the old sportster. The Evo engine was the last classic harley motor with that awesome sound. I've always said it's more fun to drive slow bikes fast than vice versa. A harley being able to smoke a Yamaha mt09 or some 600 sport bikes from 0 to 100 is very bizarre lol.
If you wanna bring your Harley anything to the Midwest to try and “smoke” my MT-09, bring it on. I’ll race you for titles. Otherwise, refrain from making ignorant statements such as that.
This review made up my mind about the Sporster S, endup buying one in NJ, was the first one on the state when I purchased…. Pretty unique experience. Felt in love after my first test ride. The rest is history…. Rode a few miles since then. A lot of questions I had about the setting and general things, not even the dealer was ready to answer it, haha since was so new, and they didn’t had any time with this model… now that I had a few days to reflect on this purchase, I feel that I made the correct choice. I’m in my late 30s, and about 5’9 , só the ergonomics were just about perfect with very feel adjustments were needed…. Hope with overtime this will be reliable, I guess only time will tell…. 😁
OC: For someone who is obsessed with performance cruisers like the Magna, Vmax, Valkyrie, etc; it has been a long time coming for Harley to build a modern engine. I ride a 2005 Sportster 1200 this year and my only gripe is I am killing it with my sport style riding and it not having a good cooling system. Liquid cooling has been HD's missing piece in making a reliable engine. I am considering getting another harley depending on the other Sportster trim models they release rather than a Rebel 1100.
If anything...I'd definitely look @ Indian FTR before a Rebel 1100
OC: As a Harley rider I have to hold out faith that this sportster like all of our others will have a MASSIVE aftermarket offering... in time. The engine and super light sub-frame are the goal, if history holds true basically every inch of this bike will be customizable so every con mentioned will be changeable/upgradable. Just have to wait for the options to start rolling out. Im here for it though, I want to throw a leg over to be sure, but as of right now, I will be picking one up.
I know at around 20:40 you said the mid controls might be better, but I'm actually exited to try my first forward control bike. Longer distance rides being comfortable was a big selling point for me
Never thought I’d see the day 😁 also the footage in LA is sick 🔥
Same here my love!
OC: I think the Sportster S sounds great from the reviews and definitely has it's place in getting more people to the Harley brand. I don't think it would be a direct competitor for the Diavel. Maybe the FTR 1200.
I never even had a though of owning a Harley but now I'm thinking a sportster s might be my second bike.
OC: I’ve loved Harley’s since I was young. I even bought a 2016 Sportster 48 new from the dealership and loved it. But I have long since thought that they needed to make something like this. Awesome bike.
Rode this thing in sturgis this past Saturday and can back up the power of this thing, 120 mph in 4th gear with out trying hard, stop sign burn outs where easy with all the torque, the mode changes made a huge difference in throttle response, want this bike for sure
I just bought my first Harley Davidson a month ago. I started riding at the end of 2019 on a 2017 Yamaha R3 that I got with 1,000 miles on it. It was a great bike to learn on. I had a blast every time I rode, put about 5500 miles on it, and did a few motorcycle courses using it. I ended up selling it last month to upgrade and sold it for almost what I bought it for. In 2020, Harley released the updated Low Rider S and I knew i'd have one at some point. They touted it as a more sport oriented cruiser. With inverted forks, dual disc brakes upfront, and a relatively low weight compared to bigger cruisers, the HD LRS has blown me away.
I'd be very interested to see what Chase and the team has to say about the Low Rider S. Coming off the R3, i'm surprised how good the LRS handles. I'm excited to see what Harley does to further grasp us younger riders. Thanks for the great content.
The Low Rider S is the bike to go for. It glides through mountain roads (switchbacks) easily with glee.
should have kept your R3
@@alexduey7868 I agree. I ended up selling it for almost what I paid for it. Since the market is so wild right now, I couldn't keep it. Selling that was like 25% down on my 2021 HD. One day I will definitely own another R3 for weekend fun. It was such a nice motorcycle.
OC: I'd be interested to see a side by side comparison of the Sportster S and the Diavel. Didn't think of it until you mentioned it
The one brake rotor was done to ease the steering of the bike by reducing the rotating mass. Some adventure/enduro rider swap to a single disc front for a lighter steering, also reduce unsprung mass for more traction.
And of course... OC BABY!
yeah , it's almost as if BUELL nailed it 20 years ago and developed an innovative system based on this concept before fucktards at Harley cut funding, huh?
I haven’t rode it yet. If I was to get a Sportster S. I would have the mid-control foot pegs installed because this will enable me to lift myself up if I see a bump coming up easily. I do that all the time on my Street Triple 765RS. We have lots of bad bumps all over the San Francisco Bay Area.
Great video, but I bought the 2022 Nightster-not the same old Harley styling. I tuned the suspension to my weight and I took it to the Tail of the Dragon. It performed similar to the previous Ducati Monster 696 with its light weight and easy to maneuver in tight turns. I prefer the Road mode as it is very smooth. It went from 60 to100 in a matter of seconds at 4,600 RPM.
OC:
1. Another plus on getting this over the Ducati Diavel is that you would be buying American. I’ve always wanted to say that …we are a two car family and both of them are Honda’s (it’s hard to beat Japanese reliability) Anyways, this is a bike that I genuinely like the design but also seems to better than most of the competition in this category.
2. I would also add the Yamaha Vmax into this sport/cruiser/bruiser category. I’ve ridden both the Vmax and the Diavel (the Diavel was way more enjoyable than the Vmax - and cooler looking). I haven’t tried out the Sportster yet. Might have a chance this weekend - I can’t wait!
20:12 OC : Awesome video overall !! Love that, i think sportser S is more against FTR 1200 S than the diavel.
They have a tracker model coming out for the ftr as well as a cafe racer aimed at triumph. The s model is more of a sporty bobber against the scout
@@jeepstertj556 seems so to me as well, thanks for keeping me updated with the news !!! I seriously love this engine from harley ! Also dig the looks of the sportster s .
OC: I ride a VRod Muscle, I like the new direction HD is leaning toward, however I think the mid/forward controls should be a no cost option.
Forward for Cruiser riders, Mid for those coming from sport bikes
@@raymondbridges7033 i agree it should be a selectable option
@@raymondbridges7033 i agree absolutely, for sporty naked bike riders, forward controls isn't good, neutral is awesome!
I'd like to see what ohlins does for suspension for this bike. And I'm sure there will be brake upgrade kits for it.
Why a brake upgrade when you get Brembos
@@Oldwiseguy-59 probably to go dual discs
@@fastec5 ah, yes I did not notice it’s a single, good point. My Roadster had dual so I just assumed.
@@fastec5 Why?
@@Lex-Rex what do you mean why, dual discs are objectively better for stopping motorcycles faster vs a single disc
I know they’re completely different but I’m curious to see how it would go up against an mt09
You can go check out Blockhead’s ride in the same press launch. He owns a personally purchased 2021 MT-09 SP.
Your editing continues to amaze me
OC- As an HD owner with a dirt background, I love this thing. One day I would love to have this as a second bike. Longer travel shock & forks, mid controls, comfy seat, passenger seat, and a set of slip ons would make this thing perfect.
OC, i wondered why they wouldnt make the mid controls standard as well.. must be a harley thing, for the forwards
They want you to spend the extra $700.
This Sportster S with a tune and an exhaust is a monster of a cruiser. There's a Thai bike shop that has one dynoing at ~122 hp and 121 ft/lbs torque with just those two things. Pretty crazy for the weight, since it's under 500 lbs (custom exhaust is lighter than the stock, 502 lbs stock).
OC: maybe in the line of a BMW R Nine T.. similar price point and I think they are wanting to take BMW on, they want it to be a hit in Europe so they can meet Euro 5 compliance and show they can hang with the big boys, across the pond.
OC- I hope more people give Harley a chance with this new engine they got going on. Even if you don't like them, at least give them a chance before talking bad about them.
Their dealerships are one thing, but then again I've never went to a dealership to buy a bike just because I like the fake smile people give me. I go just to buy the bike.
OC: Seems more like Harley's Monster (1200) to me, rather than a Diavel.
the harley bronx would be the equivalent to the monster and ftr. sporsters s is equivalent to the indian bobber and other power cruisers like the diavel
@@Matt-qh5sm the bronx is aimed at the monster but it lost before it hit the street. The new monster is 40lbs lighter than the previous model so harley shelved the bronx to focus on the sportster line. Which 5 different models are in the works right now, including a tracker model to compete with the ftr
OC. I’m a Harley guy but I was really interested to see what you would think of the bike. Good solid review. I thinks it’s target competition is Indian but definitely shooting for others as well. As far as dealers go I do ride ATVs and snowmobiles so I have experience with all brands of dealers. There are good ones and bad ones amongst all brands. I would honestly go as far to say my experience in Harley dealers for the most part is better than that of other brands. It’s like any other work environment if management is good the dealers is good if management is hard to work for it trickles down to the customer experience.
6:32 A low CoG is *not* conducive to maneuverability - it merely makes a heavy bike easy to pick up when you drop it.
Maneuverable bikes invariably have CoGs that are quite elevated.
The further the CoG is from the tyre contact patch ,the less lateral force is required from the contact patch to make the bike lean (rotate around the CoG).
You are describing low speed stability ,not maneuverability.
Two unrelated things.
OC. I love your real riding, comprehensive review. Thanks a lot. Looking forward to riding one of these. I'm a Harley guy all the way. This bike excites me.
Oc: you and blockhead are the best review for sportster s.thank you for all your effort.
Definitely agree on mid controls as a standard especially for bad road conditions
OC: love the direction HD is going but my dad and uncles are stuck on the old HD heritage. Saying these new bikes from HD are “heartless”. This is what they have to do in order to keep their company alive though.
That mentality is what's killing the HD brand. This is the right direction for harley
Yea I imagine they will spend a few years running both “sides” of the company.
@@6amamoeba677 Far from the truth. Second hand market is flooded with more than acceptable condition H-D bikes at good prices, which is what hinders new sales in one way or another. People still prefer the air cooled engines that H-D has made over the years, it's just that either they can't afford to own a new one or that they are not willing to pay the high price tag. It's not a problem concerning state-of-the-art technology. In other countries, little displacement bikes with basic technology are a huge success.
@@omarsalgado9715 used Harley's in my state sell at or more than MSRP
Wonder if you could compare it to the Triumph Rocket 3R or what you think of it? It's definitely out of our price range but as a super cruiser or sportster competitor and with the infotainment and modes, like a sport bike.
I am torn between getting the sportster s in the next 6 months to getting the rocket 3 in a year or more.. especially because I want the 3r black which is hard to find and its 6-10k more.... but it would really look nice next to my 06 speed triple haha
Picked my Sportster S yesterday, you are spot on with your review!
OC. Top notch production value as always Chase. You guys are truly the benchmark for that on YT. I think the new Sporster S is very interesting and it is genuinely GREAT that HD is trying to evolve. I wish them godspeed and good luck on their journey but I won't be going with them. I've owned 7 Harleys (4 Sportys, 2 Dynas and one Road King) over the last 2 decades. I've put up with inflated prices for bikes and bad service at snobby dealerships all along the way. Unless and until that aspect of the Motor Company changes, I will cheer on their efforts from the saddles of my non-HD motorcycles. ✌Ride Positive y'all!
I think you are spot on, on your review. Maybe H-D used FWD controls so guys like you buy a bike like this and get used to FWD controls and later when you decide to switch over to another model like the touring you are already used to it. Just a wild guess.
OC I'm really hoping they do the Bronx now.
Me too. An updated Buell would be nice. I owed one of the first ones (1996 S1) and I only sold it cause I could no longer get certain parts for it. But the bike was one of 5000 and only 1 of 3000 sold in the USA. So it was understandable that parts are no longer available. But the Bronx with the Pan Am 1250 motor would be a serious contender in the naked bike segment.
I'd like to see you ride a XR1200 and see what you think about a little older Sporty HD. FYI it has rear sets.
I sold mine but I loved that bike.
It's coming back
@@deangullberry5148 first I heard that
They have a new xr tracker model on the way as well as a cafe racer and a more traditional looking new sportster
@@jeepstertj556 close friend, and youngest son, both work at my local dealer.
Both have said "totally unconfirmed, but the Bronx is coming, XR 750 and 1200 are being revived, and the og Sportsters will get the new motor, with 950-975, and 1250 displacements. First I've heard of the cafe racer.
H-D is finally waking up and getting competitive.
@@deangullberry5148 dealers don't know much i have friends in the factory, they know more
Harley knows that you want mids and that is why it is a $700 option
I want forwards
@@6amamoeba677 same. I bought an iron 1200 with mids, cant wait to change them for forwards.
Most who ride cruisers prefer forward controls, because it's a more comfortable riding position.
@@frankhubbardiv8711 But this ain't a cruiser.
@@NaziHampster but it is.
Oc: You put the peg in the middle of your foot, just like when shifting or breaking. That's how most people ride.
I think they were right to put forward controls.
A lot of customers actually put forwards on stock Harleys with mids, most of the time it is the very first mod they do.
I’m hoping aftermarket will provide suspension fixes
I know everyone is complaining about the rear suspension travel but no one mentions how much sidewall the tire has and how it effects ride quality I'd bet if you dropped the psi on the rear by 5 psi and tuned the suspension to rely a little more on the the rear tire for dampening you could smooth it out a bit
or wear rear tire prematurely
@@rubensahak9178very possible
OC Baby!! JUst Bought mine today..great video bro!!
As a primarily a sort bike minded guy. I found myself getting a cruiser/ touring bike from them when they didn't have the one I went there for (used SV650). It was already sold. I love my cruiser now.
Since then I began to look at them more and found me anticipating the release of the Bronx that was discontinued. Now that after hearing so much from several different people I'm trying to find a local dealer that has one in stock to test ride or at least sit on.
As I know this has been a while give them a shot as times are changing and so is the general mentality as people get older and new and younger take over ideas change.
OC: great video! I think you are right on with the suspension. I switched out my stock shocks on my sporty with 13" Legend piggyback shocks, and it now rides smoother than my Ultra Limited. I almost feel its a waste of a shock to only have 2" travel. I would have gone 3-3.5" travel and perhaps make a seat with 2 positions for shorter inseam riders. I would have also gone with 2 rotors, because I do think people will ride this bike like they stole it especailly with that engine! Other than that I think this bike beats every bike in its class with performance and aesthetics.
The Diavel and 1290 Super Duke are in a higher performance class. However, when that Rev Max Bronx comes out it may be time for people to replace their Biscotti Espressos and Weinerschnitzels for a Cafe Americano. I would be interested in comparing the dyno charts for the Biscotti, Weinerschnitzel, and Americano to see if the Americano hits its power band quicker.
OC: Maybe not directly in competition with the Ducati, but close. I'm from the age of the power cruiser, V-Max, V65 Magna. Where you prayed the front-end didn't' lift so high you went on over, raw brute force. The Sportster (to me) is a cruiser with a big bucket load of power that can get out and run, but more refined than brutal. I'm not a huge Sportster fan myself, but I do want to see what HD does with the new engine package, and yeah, if I find a demo days nearby, I'd take it out for a ride.
I rode one this past weekend i loved it it did 137 with ease an wheelies in sport mode in first gear without trying just rolling full throttle from a slow roll
Idk would you recommend it for first timers felt comfortable on it just seemed small but heavy for the dimensions
Diavel is a great comparison.
I’m actually trying to decide between the sportster s, Diavel or scrambler sport pro 1100
Thoughts?
That’s what I was worried about the sportster s is for corning. I want a liter but I’m tired of bending over tbh, but it’s also nice you can get mid controls instead of forward controls. Great video I’m probably gonna pick one up!
Just got mine last March and let me tell ....it's a keeper....it could be your daily or Sunday ridearound.
OC: I think it has been said in one of the livestreams: A Harley, is a Harley. You can't compare these bikes to another brand. :) Love the looks and the technology on this bike!! :o You actually made me interested in this Sportster.
You can compare them to their direct competition. Indian.
The entire reason they have a digital dash, and water cooling. The Scout and FTR are selling at a crazy rate so it's only natural to compete.
We all win.
What makes HD so special that it can't be compared with other bikes or brands? Don't ve ridiculous...
OC... Interesting like the fact it can have a midpeg setup, though I don't think they should charge extra for it.
OC - I would say the Sportster S and the Ducati just fill out that sport cruiser segment, but are not direct competitors. Kinda like a gsxr 750 and a H2 are both in the sport bike category, but are not direct competitors.
BTW, outstanding review!!!!
Agreed. People aren't going to cross-shop the Diavel and the S.
The Sportster S is a direct shot at the Scout.
OC: This was directly aimed at the Indian Scout, but I'd say its competitors include the Diavel, Rebel 1100, the VMAX(I know its dead), and the Boulevard M109BOSS
I also think so, also kinda against the FTR 1200 S with its unique niche.
@@p.chakraborty4453 Agreed!
It's a beautiful and amazing bike but it comes with a few headaches. During winter it was a NIGHTMARE getting it started. A few problems with the ECM and a couple weeks on the shop dealing with software issues. Now bike is running smoothly and let me tell ya... it's FAST !
I would love to see/hear a comparison video between the Triumph Rocket III, Sportster S and Diavel 1260. Which would be a clear winner? Let's go! Make it happen Chase.
The triumph is 2500cc..
TRIUMPH R3 GT.
Curious what you would think of the low rider s.
I want the mid controls on this bike. Did your leg get hot in this position? And nice ruroc helmet. They are badass. O.C.
definitely my next bike, I mean for 2022 model probably revised. thanks for the good review!
Thank you for this. Looking to my first motorcycle and the Sportster S definitely caught my attention
Did you end up getting the Sportster S?
The sportster s is a tough looking bike, can't wait till the aftermarket kicks in especially the pipes, performance upgrades.
Love this. Every vid I watch I get more convinced this is the bike for me. Thanks Chase! OC
Chase you need to get some experience on the standard, older Sportster & bigger Harleys, to get a real sense of how different this new Sportster actually is, including some research on the whole drive train between this new one compared to the standard Harleys.
Only by doing these things, can it be determined whether this new bike offers superior engineering.
Yeah, I have asked for a lot. But this will be a worthwhile learning experience.
Like you, I too, have reservations about their dealerships.
God willing i will own a brand new Sportster S tomorrow. Thank you for helping me understand this bike!
How is it so far? I got one too 3 weeks ago
Harley turn signals. Push right button for right blinker; left for left blinker. They self-cancel, or you can cancel by pressing them again. Press both at once for emergency flasher.
Oc i’m riding a 2008 buell lightning xb12 and now considering the sportster s .thank for the review.
Hey man wondering if your gonna review the hayabusa I’m really interested of how you think about it
Ok Chase.., what do u buy with your $15000? A Kawi Zx14r or a sportster S?! OC.
I never thought there'd be a day that I want an HD bike to the same degree I want other bikes I really desire like the R7, RS660, Daytona 675R, Bonnie Bobber, Spitfire Bobber and Six, but hot damn I'd love to have one of these once I reach the intermediate level of experience.
This bike needs work. Rear wheel suspension travel is 2 inches, add forward controls and a jockey seat equals uncomfortable ride.. heavy wheels and single disc brake up front is not sport and a horribly big exhaust. Again look at the seat
@@johnengland8619 You just typed a whole lot of nothing (as far as replying to me goes) 'cause what's comfortable or good for you will likely be different for me. Seeing as how I've not ridden the bike, I can't just blindly agree with the supposed cons you're listing (other than the bit about forwards 'cause forwards are ass).
Also, I love the exhaust and I typically can't stand the AA guns that come on most bikes thanks to all these bs regulations and what not.
Man I love my Evo Sporty, but this thing makes me so pumped! Once the aftermarket gets ahold of this new bike and all the crazy custom parts the Harley community makes starts coming around, this thing is going to be such a monster bike to rip.
Edit: Also! Most people I've seen don't buy Harley branded parts due to the upcharge, aftermarket companies will make mid control kits for WAY cheaper.
I'd immediately slap a knarly drag pipe on this thing, high flow intake and a tune. This thing would ride and sound like a beast! and stay cool!
@@ZipKickGo Dude right! I'm honestly super excited to see what kinda crazy builds come out of this bike once the aftermarket for it has been well established
@@OkDude7861 Honestly for me, a set of pipes will be enough. That bike's more than fast enough for anything I'd ever want it to do. If anything, maybe a rear shock upgrade and call it a day.
I have an Evo as well. The only thing I’m concerned about is the Sportster S sound. I freaking love how the Evo sounds with V&H short shots. I don’t think this new engine is going to give me the same feeling.
@@cmfall1986 I agree with you on that, my Evo has drag pipes and it is knarly. But with the redesign of the engine from sohc to dohc, that gives it a lot more higher rpm capability meaning it will still sound loud as hell with aftermarket pipes but won't have that slower firing order sound we're used to. My best comparison so far is my buddies MT-07 inline twin. He has it straight piped and it's a touch quieter than my evo by about 500cc's. I think we'll enjoy the engines sound.
14:58 sounds like you are talking trough a fan ...
Can´t see anything wrong with it /s
5:30 the HD Sportster S actually competes with the Indian FTR 1200 with its unique ergos, engine ccs, power, and tech level , pricing too!
Is this the replacement for Sportster 48?
Great review, also in Atlanta area, used to be sport bike rider, now Harley, Really like the new Sportster S, may end up pulling the trigger...OC
I like how you are honest about your experience as a sport bike rider and how this affected your ride. I'm currently on a Z1000 and am looking to this bike as a possible replacement or an addition. Thanks! OC
Mid controls is a plus . Minus is Fuel capacity , sincle front brake, rear shock.
Would you prefer the sporster s or the rocket 3 r?
OC: I'd be interested to see a side by side comparison of the Sportster S and the Diavel too. I test rode a 2021 Fatbob and the Pan America this month just to get a feel of how the new Sportster S would feel. Can't wait to see it on show room floors.
I love this bike but I'll have to see how it feels. I'm 6-1 and if its as comfortable as my '17 Vulcan S which I bought new I'm sold. I'm hopeful, I thought I was going to have to a XDiavel . I'm not in the target demo at 50 years old
I have a Nightrod with mid controls .. great bike but the mid controls suck, you feel like your squatting on the pegs .. being 6 feet tall I feel like I have to fold my legs up under me.. that and the pegs hit you right in the shins if you try and move the bike. I am in the process of trying to trade in the Nightrod on an S and one of the main reasons is the forward layout. I have a GSXR-1000 and a Hyabusa and they are both more comfortable then the Nigthrod (vrod).
this bike is looking amazing and is insanely fast
I think the engine is interesting. But the bike looks absolutely horrible.
Great video this! Great to hear opinion from a sports bike guy that had plenty of good parts and bad parts to say about the bike. Not just ripping into it because it’s a Harley Davidson
I actually remember the shaky voice lol I was surprised you didn't mention it in the press launch vid
I know this is a lot faster than the XSR900 but is it worth the extra money to me I’m not sure yet.
OC: may be less experienced but what about it vs the monster?
Would this bike be a good starter bike? As cool as it looks I think it might be for the more experienced riders. But never hurts to ask.
Chase your reviews are always candid, quite fair & thorough. Appreciated.
Finally, Harley has allowed itself to adopt a great new truly non-Harleyisc engine, similar to the Porsche designed engine that was on the V-Rod, wrongly dispensed with, by Harley.
Yes, mid controls are the way to go, as they give much better control & comfort than forwards.
Please do a review of the Kawasaki Vulcan S
Angeles crest? My favorite road in ca.
13:04 that's a normal thing with forward mounted foot controls.
OC. I own a 1260s diavel im excited on how this compares… great job on the review concise and thorough… more power…
How do you compare this to the FTR 1200?