Thanks DGator! Awesome! I appreciate the $ 💪 and the comments! up next is a real-time simtools setup so hope that helps out! Thanks again my friend Your in! Dave
Dave, you are my savior, all setup done (1 motor at a time) and the motor starting shacking like crazy, green lines everywhere... Then I remembered... Dave had this problem, I remember the green lines going up and down on your video very very fast... Then I found your video, again :) That's is why your videos are sooo important to most of us. It also includes the errors, it shows your process to reach the goal. Haven't seen you for a while, hope everything is ok!!!
Hey buddy! Thanks again! Yeah I'm ok.. just been building an addition to my house by myself so .. priorities to get it framed in and roofed and wired and stuff before winter sets in.. I'll be back soon.. My new rig is almost done but sitting up on sawhorses in the garage till I'm done with this house project.. Cool to hear from you and glad The videos are archived by you tube in a way that people can find them. Dave
Thanks Adam. I appreciate the $ 💪 and the comments! Yes the Sim Tools config is up next. And plenty of more testing of different motors and parts and thing in the future! Thanks again Dave
Thanks Hippy's Place! awesome site BTW.. Yall have a great time racing! I appreciate the $ 💪 and the comments! Your in and hope this helps someone out! Dave
Very Cool of you Blake! Thanks 💪! I'm super glad that some of this is helping other out! Stay tuned my friend! Cool motion sim build videos are on the way.. Just need to 'collect' some stuff myself! Dave
That's the plan! just time is the problem.. thanks for the superthanks my friend! i hope to have a couple videos out this June on the new motion rig.. stay tuned and thank you
Thanks so Much Isaac! I have been thinking of the questions people have asked over the last couple years and the questions I had when I first built a motion rig. I think I'm going to go over it again and attempt to make a 12V compact design from scratch with all the dimensions etc 3 DOF. Guys like you keep me motivated to do more for the community! Thanks again!.. Dave
@@DMAX_DIY would it be possibly to get the measurements that you cut all the steel to? Thats where im stuck right now. I got the motors the yoke and the arduino stuff i just havent bought the steel yet cause i dont know how much i need
@@Odysseus38 Hi Isacc.. I did a workup of all the dimensions on my x simulator build page. it's on page 2 www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/full-frame-2-dof-traction-loss-new-build.14740/#post-198628
@@Odysseus38 No doubt.. that site is fantastic but it takes a long time to find what you need unless they people post put in the right keywords.. I tried to put in the keywords on my section..
I enjoyed watching the whole video. I think the best way to teach people is to show what happens if anything is wrong. You show them in your friendly way that is so worth watching. Have a good start into the new working week, cheers, ARTi []-)
Thanks ART FLY! I appreciate the kind works my friend! Hoping this helps clear up some grey areas for people attempting or wanting to build 2DOF or more! Cheers! Dave
Thanks so much Farnley! I APPRECIATE THE SUPER THANKS! It's going right back into the channel my friend! Yes, have a look around as this entire channel is just about motion simulators and how to DIY one yourself! Fantastic! Dave
Hi. Dave I've been following your videos and you got the most comprehensive tutorial out there. Did learn a lot from you and of course the x sim forum and I'll be building mine soon. Just waiting for the parts to arrive.
Very Cool and thank you.. I'm just about to post up a new video on the COMPACT SIM - trying to demonstrate how to get the motors working. I'm editing it now.. should be posted after the Super bowl.. sometime next week.. Hope you can take a look.. th-cam.com/video/UXS45Z2GHMk/w-d-xo.html
Cool man! I got a sick new job building big ass drones. Been learning a ton and finally getting some paychecks in. Once I'm caught up on bills, I'm upgrading my $280 2 DOF lmao. Maybe I'll put a real seat on it.
Such a great channel sir , and know some of us take on board what you say and do , will be building mine very soon so in the meantime watching & learning Thanks again so much 🙏
Cool Alex.. Hope it helps out and takes some of the mystery out of this stuff.. Next video up is the SIMTOOLS setup and real time testing on the rig. Tune in if you have time! Dave
Yeah.. I would have helped me back when I started.. Kind of the way I'm presenting these things.. What was confusing to me when first setting stuff up.. Thanks for taking a look my friend! Dave
This gives me a lot of hope! I'm totally clueless to the electronic side of Motion sim. But what sounds like you, I could not see spending the money. Then I ran across a DOF reality 3 dof control box fo r $50 on Ebay, no cords, or anything came with it other than a a black box with the electronics in it. I then hoped that used $50 wheel chair motors would work, they happen to be the same ones I see your video! anyway my rotary sensors should arrive any day. Wanted to have all the parts before I started to cut and weld. Not sure what the black box has programed or even how to access it yet. Your videos have given me a lot of needed direction. For this I thank you!
That sounds pretty intriguing.. I dont own one but I saw a review on it.. It should have 3 power supplies inside and an arduino and some other stuff. Let me know how it looks when you get it! The DOF system uses simtools from what I can see.. It probably already has of the motion setups. Dave th-cam.com/video/ZeidFZsAXhM/w-d-xo.html
@@DMAX_DIY It does have the 3 supplies, arduino, 3 controllers, An emergency shut off set up. While it has one more item that I have no idea what it is. All in all it is basically the same as your doing. I do not see any fuses which I do not like and will be adding, will try 25 amps. I hope to find time to build the platform now. I was not ready to get the unit, but now I know what I have to build it around.
@@garymarma6005 It sounds LEGIT.. I saw a video on it from Gary.. I'll send the link.. Yeah I would think 25 amps is a good start. Especially since some of it's unknown.. Ill send the link after I find it. Here is Garys tear down of the system th-cam.com/video/ZeidFZsAXhM/w-d-xo.html
@@DMAX_DIY Yes, all the parts in this video are the same model numbers, except 3x's. Only There is one more part. This is the "unknown" part to me? also it lacks the two external fans shown in this video There only internal fans in the 3 power supplies, I Will keep at watch on temps. I believe the video said supplies output 14.8 amps. With 24 volts, this may be all that is needed. I will start with a 15amp fuse after hearing that. The unit does power up. The DC power supply plugs used for the motors from the unit only use 2 prongs(+ -) , the third has nothing attached and not used. Then the "data" plug mentioned has the three needed prongs, + - and communication. I just need to check that the power output is 5v form the power supplies to the rotary sensors I purchased. I do believe the arduino is already set up as you mentioned. I paid the $50 or something close for DOF reality program needed from Sims racing. Hopefully I will find time to mock up a motor with a rotary sensor, likely use the tuning program I saw you use for my attempt of some type of controlled movement. I dont see how I can upload a pic to show the unknown part. I still understand the lack of fuses inside the unit. I guess I should also 5a fuse the rotary sensors.
@@garymarma6005 congrats my friend.. looks like a decent find. Yes you will need to get some of those 180 degree sensors to attach to the motor shafts, I took a good look DOF teardown video and it all makes sense to me, especially cause I just made the same thing with the wheelchair motors.. however their motors are sunshine or something and look to be more powerful than the wheelchair motors..
I appreciate you taking a look Henry james! And the comment! I hope it helps somebody out there.. I know there are quite a few who have already built their motion sims.! Dave
SQL Dev! I appreciate the $ 💪 and the comments!. Very cool for you to check in and hope these videos are helping out.. Nice name btw.. Kinda says field you are in. without actually saying what field your in. Nice
Thanks so much my friend! I really appreciate the super thanks.. It means a lot to me. So the It's alive video.. yeah that was a while ago.. Been working on the compact 3dof sim.. I have 10 episodes on it an next up is the 'wiring'.. arduino to IBT, IBT to motors.. and however far I get on it.. Seriously, thanks.. Stay tuned if you can.. Dave
hello , I really appreciate ur time doing this toturial , but I have 2 issues I coud'nt find the selotion to it , first its the noise of th motor and wiggling line of PWM feedback , the second its the heat issue with the wiper motor even when I changed the source from 24v to 12v.
Hello, I have a small problem with the DIY motion platform 2 dof. Everything is fine in SMC 3, the blue line matches the green one (pot 80T & 36T gear) , everything works fine in sim tools, roll, pitch and surge are fine. After connecting the motors (PGSaw 200Watts) to the electricity, the platform adjusts nicely to the level and here is the problem when I sit on the chair, the platform tilts as if the motors do not hold the platform. I also plan to add springs. The question is why the arms of the motors lower even with minimal load (I press lightly with my hand).
Good question Pawel Stzrop.. On my 12 v PGsaws. they do the same until I go into 'game mode' .. then they are activated. I have the PWMax and REV. set the same around 220.. try bumping up your PWMAx and maybe bump up your PW min.. Let me know.. sometimes mine moves when i sit down until the game actually starts.. then there is no way to I could push it with my hand.. I am 210 pounds.. full frame rig.. a lot for those motors to move but they do it just fine.. Dave
@@DMAX_DIY Thank you for your quick reply. The problem is now solved. I replaced the 12mm steel rods in both engines and I forgot to insert the pins in the holes :) It's good to see your materials on YT. Regards.
@@pawestrzop1037 That's great news! Yeah.. I ended up welding the levers to the motor shafts cause they kept shearing off.. Glad you found a solution.. I'm putting out a new video tonight.. Should be great! Take a look if you have time.. Dave
Thanks for your videos, they have inspired me to try to build my own motion sim. I have these same Jazzy motors and I am really struggling to come up with an arm due to the keyway. What did you use for your arm? Is that mind steel? How thick? Thanks. I purchased these after watching your video but it looks like you changed to different motors later?
Did you make the rotary u shaped arms that are connected to the motor shaft and the tie rod? ( arm has a key cut in it) If you purchased them where did you find them? I can weld up the piece, I have no way to make that bend. also would like good key cut in the arm. Maybe easier and tighter to purchase one if able.
I just found the metal bent that way.. If I had to do it again, I could have made them out of two pieces of flat steel and weld them together. That way you dont need to bend them.. just lay them on top of each other.. Making the keyhole would be easier this way cause it took a while to file out And although I like the keyhole idea, it does wiggle a little bit.. I am not really into saving or reselling the parts so i would probably just weld the arm righ to the motor shaft. I did that out of necessity on my 3DOF.. kept snapping of the retaining bolts ..
What position do you place the motor arms in when you boot up? Level to the floor? Does it consider that start position 'home'? I feel I should start the motor at 3-clock, but they jump to 1 o'clock which makes them sometimes try to go over the top.
So how do you know what converters you need ? I got some jazzy chair motors but there bigger than these ones 3/4 shaft . 12-36v operating range . How do you choose the Amps and wattage when buying a converter ? . Would bigger converters be better ? Maybe something closer to the max amp for ibt-2 around 40 ? the I was planing on making a 3dof. Thanks . Just don't want to mess to much up haha .
Thanks for the question. Good point. This is my first time using converters so I went on x-simulator.net and saw what other people were using successfully. I just ordered those.. So if your motors can handle 36volts you will want to try and get converters that supply 36volts or your motor will run slower from what I understand..My motors say 24v on them so I chose 24 volt with 25 amp output.. I've tested them to about 24 amps and they did not blow so I have them fused at 20 amps right now. I'll be doing some more testing this weekend and hope to get it on video.
Great question.. Did a tutorial on patching your game once you obtain the plug in.. Take a look at this video it's not very long.. If it still doesn't work.. Write me back.. Dave th-cam.com/video/QYzV9ler328/w-d-xo.html
Dave, I've got the same Jazzy wheelchair motors. Triple checked all boards and wiring. Motors run fine with simple arduino script (e.g. analogWrite(r_pwm, power); but when I run the SMC3.ino and then the SMC3 tools (v2.6), the motors just 'cluck' shift forward/back rapidly with no movement. What needs to be set in the arduino script? I'm setting MODE2 and have tried both POT_SCALING settings. I bought all the same boards and pots. Thanks!
good question. let's talk about SMC3.exe for a minute first. so the motors move correctly when you are running smc3.exe and are on manual control? how about if you put it on 'motion' or 'square' or 'sine wave'? I need to know how they react when only running the smc3.. I dont think anything else is required in the code other than to put them in mode 2. - let me know Dave
@@DMAX_DIY the .ino code says you must define either ENABLE_POT_SCALING or ENABLE_NON_LINEAR_POT_SCALING. I've tried both. Makes me wonder if I have the right sketch. (smc3-arduino-3dof-motor-driver-and-windows-utilities.4957). I rewatched your video and turned off both POT_SCALING defines. With sine wave, I now have Motor1 tracking but it tracks smooth down the hill, but 'clucks' up the hill. For Motor2 the green line drops to floor and stays there. As I turn up PWMMax, at about 120 Motor2 violently 'clucks' - jumps back and forth into forward/reverse. Video here: th-cam.com/video/aGOOOWz_tC0/w-d-xo.html
Hello, your videos are good and fun, I have already learned a lot from you. But now I have a problem I didn't connect everything like on your video .And I can see my potentiometers on my SMCUtils screen but when I press motion my motors do nothing. .12 Volt wiper motors. And I use IBT-2 motor drivers. Do you have any idea what the problem could be?My question is is it very important which Angle Sens you use? I hope for more nice videos from you and thank you in advance. Greetings Tony.
Good question and thanks for asking. I would start with the settings in SMC3.. If you can see the green line move when you manipulate the pots then at least the arduino is talking and you have the com port set correctly. Try reading this section on x-simulator.net and set your software similarly.. here is a quick breakdown. Disconnect the motor power supply Make sure Simtools is not running - we’re not ready for that yet! Wire up the Arduino (with SMC3 installed) to your H-Bridges and connect to your computer via USB Run the Windows SMC3 Utility software and make sure it communicates with the Arduino (There is no need to set baud rates, they are not configurable) Set the Kp, Ki, Kd, PWMmin, PWMmax, PWMrev to 0 for ALL motors (This will make sure the motors don’t move) Set Clip to 255 (you need to do this first) and Limit to 255 (This will give you plenty of margin if something goes wrong while setting up) Turn on the power to your motors - nothing should move at this stage! Set Kp to about 400 Now slowly, increase PWMmax… at some point the motor should start to move. When it does check the “Green” feedback line is moving toward the “Blue” target position. If it is then that motor and feedback is wired correctly - proceed to test other motors. If it is moving away turn off motor power immediately (or quickly reduce PWMmax again). In this case you need to either reverse the wires to the motor being tested -OR- reverse the +5V and GND wires to your feedback pot for the motor being tested (do not do both). Restart the test from the beginning. Do the above for each motor more can be found at this link: www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/smc3-arduino-3dof-motor-driver-and-windows-utilities.4957/ hope that gets it moving.. Dave
So the Blink program is already loaded onto each arduino.. or at least it has been for everyone I have purchased.. I think that's how they 'test' it from the factories.. You cant 'see' it.. but you just plug it into your USB and it should blink one time per second. Take a look.. let me know Dave
@@DMAX_DIY thanks for getting back to me I just went ahead and uploaded sketch file in the end, had to do it twice but got the potentiometers set up on smc3 just need to connect motor power supply when it arrives and get set up. Many thanks for all your input Dave If I could show you a photo of my invention I would. All the best Rico
it's an arduino uno R3 version - about 20-30 bucks. The arduino will control the IBT motor controllers - Arduino can control up to 3 motors. The software is called simtools (I have some videos on that too). The code is free to download for the ardunio.. Simtools reads the game output telemetry and sends info to the arduino, which controls the motors. Dave
Hello there I am again help me, I connected everything as described in SMC3 Arduino 3DOF Motor Driver and Windows Utilities. I've already replaced everything once but I still can't get my feedback line to follow my target line . I think the problem is in the Arduino program, but I don't know what and where. Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong or where the problem is. I've been looking everywhere for four weeks now but can't find anything about it. I can adjust the green line nicely with my potentiometers. But if I put it on motion, nothing happens, he's not going to follow the blue line. PLEASE HELP.
Ok so thats a good question.. Check the arduino code to see if it's set to MODE 2.. There is a line in there you need to change from #define MODE 1 to #define MODE 2 to work with the IBT controllers.. that's in the SMC3.ini file in the arudino IDE.. then upload to the arduino.. Try that.. Here are two links which may help www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/problems-with-my-simulator.15382/#post-207320 www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/smc3-arduino-3dof-motor-driver-and-windows-utilities.4957/
Good question.. Just look up the specs on the IBT-2 and see.. From the looks of this here is the spec I found.. I've only ran it at 12v and 24 v so: High current "H" bridge module for motor drive applications using dual BTS7960 chips. Built-in themperature & current protection. Logic level inputs to interface to a microcontroller. Only four wires (GND, 5V, RPWM & LPWM) are needed from the microcontroller to the drive module. Input Voltage: Motor: 6V-27V Logic: 5V (From Microcontroller) Motor supply & Logic share common Ground. Maximum current: 43A
hola llegue a un problema, enciendo los motores pero estos se quedan girando en un solo sentido a menos que yo manipule los potenciometros, a lo que voy es que veo que tu medio mueves un potenciometro y el motor lo sigue y para pero en mi caso no pasa eso, me puedes dar una mano? te lo agradezco
Good question Trevor.. I dont know for sure.. Maybe cause all you need to do it get a voltage position for the motor shaft. I just followed the advice of many on the xsimulator.net forum.. Path of least resistance.. I now have 8 of those 180 degree hall effect pots.. ALso plan on doing a test between wirewound 10k pot and the hall effect. Cool thing with the hall effect is as follows: so the motor will only really be operating at a range of 180 or less. the hall effect 180 has a sweet spot of 180 degrees, but it can spin around indefinately.. so if somehow the motor goes crazy, the pot will just spin with no damage. the wirewound 10k will probably just break off if the motor goes crazy.. FYI i have not had the motors do anything like that.. but there is a possiblity. Dave
Hi D MAX. I'm one. Of your subscribers, been following you for a while now.just built my own rig,of the back of your DIY sim rig build.which I must say ,is one of best simrig build vids out there.i would just like to know,in order to get a game to work with the simrig,does the game have to be from steam.does it matter where I buy the game. I've bought no limits 2, but when i Ioad it up,it does not work.i have simtools, simtools manager,and simtools game engine.its been patched,so I know that part of it is working.every thing works.so any advice from yourself, would be great.wilf, from South of England.uk.thanks.
Hi TIGERSHARK Yeah.. so I bought no limits 2 also but I got it from steam.. I had to change a run file so that it said --telemetry .. I did do a video on it. But i changed that in the steam launch window.. Also.. I would post the question to noorbeast on x-sim forum.. he will probably know. I'll ask him and see if he replys too.
@@tricenexequillemendoza521 Very cool.. It's a great DIY project. just take your time and get the parts you need that match voltage and amps etc.. never give up.. Dave
Thanks for the question. at 10:20 I am installing the SMC3.ino file into the arduino.. You can get it here *it's free* www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/smc3-arduino-3dof-motor-driver-and-windows-utilities.4957/ This is the main page on how to hook all the wiring up and download the files at the bottom.. Hope that helps, Dave
hello I'm talking about the first thing you download before you download smc3 (just before you change the download time and explain that your pc is slow) Thanks very much
@@DMAX_DIY Thank you for your videos. I installed itb-2 and started playing with smc3. some settings are not really clear at the moment... I followed the tutorial on xSimulator but some parameters are still unclear for me, such as fpwm for example... did you find more details?
Oh I see the question now.. No I'm not selling anything.. I'm just showing people how to DIY their own motion sim. That's what the channel is all about. Thanks though.. Dave
I’d like to talk to u about this seriously I’m in process of finding the stuff but if I could by a set up from u I’d just do that as well I just want steering wheel and pedals
@@Driftyboi594 I could give you a list. But most of the equipment needed is actually in the description link. email: max.motion.simulator@gmail.com I check email maybe once a week.. Maybe I can help
Thank you Gary! I appreciate it. Hope this is helping out! I just got my extra 3 motors today.. Going to attempt to make a 6 DOF stewart platform. The extra motors are the 50:1 12 volt crab pot motors.. so I'm hoping they are strong enough but I dont know.. I'll give it a shot and post it up for you guys.. Dave
@@DMAX_DIY Time for you to move on to 6! More power to you! I like you diving in first and answering many questions! Once I get moving you may be hearing from me with a question or 2, 3,,, Thank you again. Good luck with the next one, or 6.!
Hope I am one of the first. Your vids have been invaluable in the process for my build, keep in up and thanks D!
Thanks DGator! Awesome! I appreciate the $ 💪 and the comments! up next is a real-time simtools setup so hope that helps out! Thanks again my friend Your in! Dave
Sir, being old is not physical, your works and enthusiasm are speaking for itself.
Thank you Sir! .. Doing my best with the time given.. Dave
Dave, you are my savior, all setup done (1 motor at a time) and the motor starting shacking like crazy, green lines everywhere...
Then I remembered... Dave had this problem, I remember the green lines going up and down on your video very very fast...
Then I found your video, again :)
That's is why your videos are sooo important to most of us. It also includes the errors, it shows your process to reach the goal.
Haven't seen you for a while, hope everything is ok!!!
Hey buddy! Thanks again! Yeah I'm ok.. just been building an addition to my house by myself so .. priorities to get it framed in and roofed and wired and stuff before winter sets in.. I'll be back soon.. My new rig is almost done but sitting up on sawhorses in the garage till I'm done with this house project.. Cool to hear from you and glad The videos are archived by you tube in a way that people can find them. Dave
Awesome! Looking forward to the SimTools configuration side too. Since this build is basically the same as mine - I'm looking forward to more testing.
Thanks Adam. I appreciate the $ 💪 and the comments! Yes the Sim Tools config is up next. And plenty of more testing of different motors and parts and thing in the future! Thanks again Dave
Another couple bucks Brother, See ya on track!! Great video D👍
Thanks Hippy's Place! awesome site BTW.. Yall have a great time racing! I appreciate the $ 💪 and the comments! Your in and hope this helps someone out! Dave
Thanks! Ive loved your builds, waiting for all of my parts
Very Cool of you Blake! Thanks 💪! I'm super glad that some of this is helping other out! Stay tuned my friend! Cool motion sim build videos are on the way.. Just need to 'collect' some stuff myself! Dave
I hope you keep going with this, continuing to work on cool projects and sharing along the way. Thanks!
That's the plan! just time is the problem.. thanks for the superthanks my friend! i hope to have a couple videos out this June on the new motion rig.. stay tuned and thank you
Thanks for all the knowledge you provide, and help you give the racing community. I hope to see this channel grow like the other sim channels.
Thanks so Much Isaac! I have been thinking of the questions people have asked over the last couple years and the questions I had when I first built a motion rig. I think I'm going to go over it again and attempt to make a 12V compact design from scratch with all the dimensions etc 3 DOF. Guys like you keep me motivated to do more for the community! Thanks again!.. Dave
@@DMAX_DIY would it be possibly to get the measurements that you cut all the steel to? Thats where im stuck right now. I got the motors the yoke and the arduino stuff i just havent bought the steel yet cause i dont know how much i need
@@Odysseus38 Hi Isacc.. I did a workup of all the dimensions on my x simulator build page. it's on page 2 www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/full-frame-2-dof-traction-loss-new-build.14740/#post-198628
@@DMAX_DIY omg im so sorry I spent forever looking for it but cause im new to the site I couldnt figure it out but i did now thank you
@@Odysseus38 No doubt.. that site is fantastic but it takes a long time to find what you need unless they people post put in the right keywords.. I tried to put in the keywords on my section..
I enjoyed watching the whole video. I think the best way to teach people is to show what happens if anything is wrong. You show them in your friendly way that is so worth watching.
Have a good start into the new working week, cheers, ARTi []-)
Thanks ART FLY! I appreciate the kind works my friend! Hoping this helps clear up some grey areas for people attempting or wanting to build 2DOF or more! Cheers! Dave
Thanks. You are Inspiring me to build a 3 Dof sim 😃
Thanks so much Farnley! I APPRECIATE THE SUPER THANKS! It's going right back into the channel my friend! Yes, have a look around as this entire channel is just about motion simulators and how to DIY one yourself! Fantastic! Dave
Hi. Dave I've been following your videos and you got the most comprehensive tutorial out there. Did learn a lot from you and of course the x sim forum and I'll be building mine soon. Just waiting for the parts to arrive.
Very Cool and thank you.. I'm just about to post up a new video on the COMPACT SIM - trying to demonstrate how to get the motors working. I'm editing it now.. should be posted after the Super bowl.. sometime next week.. Hope you can take a look.. th-cam.com/video/UXS45Z2GHMk/w-d-xo.html
Recently discovered the channel and I’m very appreciative of your work- thank you for taking the time to share with us
I'm stayin brother. I wish I had the time to build one! Thanks for the video.
Thanks t Hammer.. I'll keep making some semi-useful stuff !! hahah! Thanks for watching and commenting! Dave
Cool man! I got a sick new job building big ass drones. Been learning a ton and finally getting some paychecks in. Once I'm caught up on bills, I'm upgrading my $280 2 DOF lmao. Maybe I'll put a real seat on it.
DRONES? I knew someone would do that.. Way to cool!! Keep pluggin away.. Dang.. I need to get me one of those.. DMAX
Such a great channel sir , and know some of us take on board what you say and do , will be building mine very soon so in the meantime watching & learning
Thanks again so much 🙏
I appreciate the kind words Jay! Thanks a lot and hope to have another vid out soon.. DMAX
This video is so well done and detailed! Thank you so much for adding this! I hope I can build motion in my simulator
Cool Alex.. Hope it helps out and takes some of the mystery out of this stuff.. Next video up is the SIMTOOLS setup and real time testing on the rig. Tune in if you have time! Dave
Great again Mr D. the set up of the SMC3 software will help lots of people. thanks again
Yeah.. I would have helped me back when I started.. Kind of the way I'm presenting these things.. What was confusing to me when first setting stuff up.. Thanks for taking a look my friend! Dave
Sweet vid!! Keep it up 👍 Congrats on the Super Thanks!!
Thanks B! I appreciate you taking a look and your kind words! DMAX
railroad tycoon 3.. the successor of such a memorable classic! i remember rt3 being way too in depth for me at the time when it was released lol
This gives me a lot of hope! I'm totally clueless to the electronic side of Motion sim. But what sounds like you, I could not see spending the money. Then I ran across a DOF reality 3 dof control box fo r $50 on Ebay, no cords, or anything came with it other than a a black box with the electronics in it. I then hoped that used $50 wheel chair motors would work, they happen to be the same ones I see your video! anyway my rotary sensors should arrive any day. Wanted to have all the parts before I started to cut and weld. Not sure what the black box has programed or even how to access it yet. Your videos have given me a lot of needed direction. For this I thank you!
That sounds pretty intriguing.. I dont own one but I saw a review on it.. It should have 3 power supplies inside and an arduino and some other stuff. Let me know how it looks when you get it! The DOF system uses simtools from what I can see.. It probably already has of the motion setups. Dave
th-cam.com/video/ZeidFZsAXhM/w-d-xo.html
@@DMAX_DIY It does have the 3 supplies, arduino, 3 controllers, An emergency shut off set up. While it has one more item that I have no idea what it is. All in all it is basically the same as your doing. I do not see any fuses which I do not like and will be adding, will try 25 amps. I hope to find time to build the platform now. I was not ready to get the unit, but now I know what I have to build it around.
@@garymarma6005 It sounds LEGIT.. I saw a video on it from Gary.. I'll send the link.. Yeah I would think 25 amps is a good start. Especially since some of it's unknown.. Ill send the link after I find it. Here is Garys tear down of the system th-cam.com/video/ZeidFZsAXhM/w-d-xo.html
@@DMAX_DIY Yes, all the parts in this video are the same model numbers, except 3x's. Only There is one more part. This is the "unknown" part to me? also it lacks the two external fans shown in this video There only internal fans in the 3 power supplies, I Will keep at watch on temps. I believe the video said supplies output 14.8 amps. With 24 volts, this may be all that is needed. I will start with a 15amp fuse after hearing that. The unit does power up. The DC power supply plugs used for the motors from the unit only use 2 prongs(+ -) , the third has nothing attached and not used. Then the "data" plug mentioned has the three needed prongs, + - and communication. I just need to check that the power output is 5v form the power supplies to the rotary sensors I purchased. I do believe the arduino is already set up as you mentioned. I paid the $50 or something close for DOF reality program needed from Sims racing. Hopefully I will find time to mock up a motor with a rotary sensor, likely use the tuning program I saw you use for my attempt of some type of controlled movement. I dont see how I can upload a pic to show the unknown part. I still understand the lack of fuses inside the unit. I guess I should also 5a fuse the rotary sensors.
@@garymarma6005 congrats my friend.. looks like a decent find. Yes you will need to get some of those 180 degree sensors to attach to the motor shafts, I took a good look DOF teardown video and it all makes sense to me, especially cause I just made the same thing with the wheelchair motors.. however their motors are sunshine or something and look to be more powerful than the wheelchair motors..
Great video bud as usual thanks
I appreciate you taking a look Henry james! And the comment! I hope it helps somebody out there.. I know there are quite a few who have already built their motion sims.! Dave
congratulations for show!!!
Thanks for watching! I appreciate your comment!
Thanks!
SQL Dev! I appreciate the $ 💪 and the comments!. Very cool for you to check in and hope these videos are helping out.. Nice name btw.. Kinda says field you are in. without actually saying what field your in. Nice
Thanks D, Great stuff. Glad I fell in this rabbit hole..
Thanks RacerXtc! This is some really great stuff! Thanks for watching and commenting.. If you have any questions.. Just let me know my friend! Dave
Another great video D. The project is coming right along!
Hey my friend! Thanks for watching.. I enjoyed making it.. Hope it helps out See you 'on track'.. Dave
Too complicated for me yet satisfying to watch!
Well, I just trying the DIY route instead of the more expensive route.. I appreciate your comment Kerem! Dave
Thanks
Thanks so much my friend! I really appreciate the super thanks.. It means a lot to me. So the It's alive video.. yeah that was a while ago.. Been working on the compact 3dof sim.. I have 10 episodes on it an next up is the 'wiring'.. arduino to IBT, IBT to motors.. and however far I get on it.. Seriously, thanks.. Stay tuned if you can.. Dave
Love your videos.
Thanks.. hopefully they will help some of Yall out - Motion sims are so cool! Dave
hello , I really appreciate ur time doing this toturial , but I have 2 issues I coud'nt find the selotion to it , first its the noise of th motor and wiggling line of PWM feedback , the second its the heat issue with the wiper motor even when I changed the source from 24v to 12v.
Hello, I have a small problem with the DIY motion platform 2 dof.
Everything is fine in SMC 3, the blue line matches the green
one (pot 80T & 36T gear) , everything works fine in sim tools, roll, pitch and surge are fine.
After connecting the motors (PGSaw 200Watts)
to the electricity, the platform adjusts nicely to the level
and here is the problem when I sit on the chair, the platform
tilts as if the motors do not hold the platform. I also plan to add springs.
The question is why the arms of the motors lower even with minimal load (I press lightly with my hand).
Good question Pawel Stzrop.. On my 12 v PGsaws. they do the same until I go into 'game mode' .. then they are activated. I have the PWMax and REV. set the same around 220.. try bumping up your PWMAx and maybe bump up your PW min.. Let me know.. sometimes mine moves when i sit down until the game actually starts.. then there is no way to I could push it with my hand.. I am 210 pounds.. full frame rig.. a lot for those motors to move but they do it just fine..
Dave
@@DMAX_DIY Thank you for your quick reply. The problem is now solved. I replaced the 12mm steel rods in both engines and I forgot to insert the pins in the holes :) It's good to see your materials on YT. Regards.
@@pawestrzop1037 That's great news! Yeah.. I ended up welding the levers to the motor shafts cause they kept shearing off.. Glad you found a solution.. I'm putting out a new video tonight.. Should be great! Take a look if you have time.. Dave
Thanks for your videos, they have inspired me to try to build my own motion sim. I have these same Jazzy motors and I am really struggling to come up with an arm due to the keyway. What did you use for your arm? Is that mind steel? How thick? Thanks. I purchased these after watching your video but it looks like you changed to different motors later?
Did you make the rotary u shaped arms that are connected to the motor shaft and the tie rod? ( arm has a key cut in it) If you purchased them where did you find them? I can weld up the piece, I have no way to make that bend. also would like good key cut in the arm. Maybe easier and tighter to purchase one if able.
I just found the metal bent that way.. If I had to do it again, I could have made them out of two pieces of flat steel and weld them together. That way you dont need to bend them.. just lay them on top of each other.. Making the keyhole would be easier this way cause it took a while to file out And although I like the keyhole idea, it does wiggle a little bit.. I am not really into saving or reselling the parts so i would probably just weld the arm righ to the motor shaft. I did that out of necessity on my 3DOF.. kept snapping of the retaining bolts ..
What position do you place the motor arms in when you boot up? Level to the floor? Does it consider that start position 'home'? I feel I should start the motor at 3-clock, but they jump to 1 o'clock which makes them sometimes try to go over the top.
So how do you know what converters you need ? I got some jazzy chair motors but there bigger than these ones 3/4 shaft . 12-36v operating range . How do you choose the Amps and wattage when buying a converter ? . Would bigger converters be better ? Maybe something closer to the max amp for ibt-2 around 40 ? the I was planing on making a 3dof. Thanks . Just don't want to mess to much up haha .
Thanks for the question. Good point. This is my first time using converters so I went on x-simulator.net and saw what other people were using successfully. I just ordered those.. So if your motors can handle 36volts you will want to try and get converters that supply 36volts or your motor will run slower from what I understand..My motors say 24v on them so I chose 24 volt with 25 amp output.. I've tested them to about 24 amps and they did not blow so I have them fused at 20 amps right now. I'll be doing some more testing this weekend and hope to get it on video.
How do you like using the Jazzy Wheelchair Gearboxes Motors?
GREAT WORK. I have a problem patching a MSF2020 from steam to simtools i can not find MSF2020 option in game selection. Can you help me figure it out?
Great question.. Did a tutorial on patching your game once you obtain the plug in.. Take a look at this video it's not very long.. If it still doesn't work.. Write me back.. Dave th-cam.com/video/QYzV9ler328/w-d-xo.html
Dave, I've got the same Jazzy wheelchair motors. Triple checked all boards and wiring. Motors run fine with simple arduino script (e.g. analogWrite(r_pwm, power); but when I run the SMC3.ino and then the SMC3 tools (v2.6), the motors just 'cluck' shift forward/back rapidly with no movement. What needs to be set in the arduino script? I'm setting MODE2 and have tried both POT_SCALING settings. I bought all the same boards and pots. Thanks!
good question. let's talk about SMC3.exe for a minute first. so the motors move correctly when you are running smc3.exe and are on manual control? how about if you put it on 'motion' or 'square' or 'sine wave'? I need to know how they react when only running the smc3.. I dont think anything else is required in the code other than to put them in mode 2. - let me know Dave
@@DMAX_DIY the .ino code says you must define either ENABLE_POT_SCALING or ENABLE_NON_LINEAR_POT_SCALING. I've tried both. Makes me wonder if I have the right sketch. (smc3-arduino-3dof-motor-driver-and-windows-utilities.4957). I rewatched your video and turned off both POT_SCALING defines.
With sine wave, I now have Motor1 tracking but it tracks smooth down the hill, but 'clucks' up the hill. For Motor2 the green line drops to floor and stays there. As I turn up PWMMax, at about 120 Motor2 violently 'clucks' - jumps back and forth into forward/reverse. Video here: th-cam.com/video/aGOOOWz_tC0/w-d-xo.html
Hello, your videos are good and fun, I have already learned a lot from you. But now I have a problem I didn't connect everything like on your video .And I can see my potentiometers on my SMCUtils screen but when I press motion my motors do nothing. .12 Volt wiper motors. And I use IBT-2 motor drivers. Do you have any idea what the problem could be?My question is is it very important which Angle Sens you use? I hope for more nice videos from you and thank you in advance. Greetings Tony.
Good question and thanks for asking. I would start with the settings in SMC3.. If you can see the green line move when you manipulate the pots then at least the arduino is talking and you have the com port set correctly. Try reading this section on x-simulator.net and set your software similarly.. here is a quick breakdown.
Disconnect the motor power supply
Make sure Simtools is not running - we’re not ready for that yet!
Wire up the Arduino (with SMC3 installed) to your H-Bridges and connect to your computer via USB
Run the Windows SMC3 Utility software and make sure it communicates with the Arduino (There is no need to set baud rates, they are not configurable)
Set the Kp, Ki, Kd, PWMmin, PWMmax, PWMrev to 0 for ALL motors (This will make sure the motors don’t move)
Set Clip to 255 (you need to do this first) and Limit to 255 (This will give you plenty of margin if something goes wrong while setting up)
Turn on the power to your motors - nothing should move at this stage!
Set Kp to about 400
Now slowly, increase PWMmax… at some point the motor should start to move. When it does check the “Green” feedback line is moving toward the “Blue” target position.
If it is then that motor and feedback is wired correctly - proceed to test other motors.
If it is moving away turn off motor power immediately (or quickly reduce PWMmax again). In this case you need to either reverse the wires to the motor being tested -OR- reverse the +5V and GND wires to your feedback pot for the motor being tested (do not do both). Restart the test from the beginning.
Do the above for each motor
more can be found at this link: www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/smc3-arduino-3dof-motor-driver-and-windows-utilities.4957/ hope that gets it moving.. Dave
Thanks for the quick response, I'll get started on it soon, hope I can get it right now.
HI DAVE
CANT SEE THE BLINK PROGRAM ON THE ARDUINO IDE WHEN CONNECTED TO THE BOARD?
ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED
THANKS IN ADVANCE
RICO
So the Blink program is already loaded onto each arduino.. or at least it has been for everyone I have purchased.. I think that's how they 'test' it from the factories.. You cant 'see' it.. but you just plug it into your USB and it should blink one time per second. Take a look.. let me know Dave
@@DMAX_DIY thanks for getting back to me
I just went ahead and uploaded sketch file in the end, had to do it twice but got the potentiometers set up on smc3 just need to connect motor power supply when it arrives and get set up.
Many thanks for all your input Dave
If I could show you a photo of my invention I would.
All the best Rico
is it a normal cnc card you control the simulator with? or is it a special card? how do you get it to connect with a racing game?
it's an arduino uno R3 version - about 20-30 bucks. The arduino will control the IBT motor controllers - Arduino can control up to 3 motors. The software is called simtools (I have some videos on that too). The code is free to download for the ardunio.. Simtools reads the game output telemetry and sends info to the arduino, which controls the motors. Dave
Hello there I am again help me, I connected everything as described in SMC3 Arduino 3DOF Motor Driver and Windows Utilities.
I've already replaced everything once but I still can't get my feedback line to follow my target line . I think the problem is in the Arduino program, but I don't know what and where. Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong or where the problem is. I've been looking everywhere for four weeks now but can't find anything about it. I can adjust the green line nicely with my potentiometers. But if I put it on motion, nothing happens, he's not going to follow the blue line. PLEASE HELP.
Ok so thats a good question.. Check the arduino code to see if it's set to MODE 2.. There is a line in there you need to change from #define MODE 1 to #define MODE 2 to work with the IBT controllers.. that's in the SMC3.ini file in the arudino IDE.. then upload to the arduino.. Try that.. Here are two links which may help
www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/problems-with-my-simulator.15382/#post-207320
www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/smc3-arduino-3dof-motor-driver-and-windows-utilities.4957/
also dave what if i use more than 25v psu on ibt-2 what will happen?
is it ok
Good question.. Just look up the specs on the IBT-2 and see.. From the looks of this here is the spec I found.. I've only ran it at 12v and 24 v so:
High current "H" bridge module for motor drive applications using dual BTS7960 chips. Built-in themperature & current protection. Logic level inputs to interface to a microcontroller.
Only four wires (GND, 5V, RPWM & LPWM) are needed from the microcontroller to the drive module.
Input Voltage:
Motor: 6V-27V
Logic: 5V (From Microcontroller)
Motor supply & Logic share common Ground.
Maximum current: 43A
hola llegue a un problema, enciendo los motores pero estos se quedan girando en un solo sentido a menos que yo manipule los potenciometros, a lo que voy es que veo que tu medio mueves un potenciometro y el motor lo sigue y para pero en mi caso no pasa eso, me puedes dar una mano?
te lo agradezco
Can you use a stepper motor without a potentiometer
Good question Trevor.. I dont know for sure.. Maybe cause all you need to do it get a voltage position for the motor shaft. I just followed the advice of many on the xsimulator.net forum.. Path of least resistance.. I now have 8 of those 180 degree hall effect pots.. ALso plan on doing a test between wirewound 10k pot and the hall effect. Cool thing with the hall effect is as follows: so the motor will only really be operating at a range of 180 or less. the hall effect 180 has a sweet spot of 180 degrees, but it can spin around indefinately.. so if somehow the motor goes crazy, the pot will just spin with no damage. the wirewound 10k will probably just break off if the motor goes crazy.. FYI i have not had the motors do anything like that.. but there is a possiblity. Dave
que potenciometros estas utilizando?
Hi D MAX. I'm one. Of your subscribers, been following you for a while now.just built my own rig,of the back of your DIY sim rig build.which I must say ,is one of best simrig build vids out there.i would just like to know,in order to get a game to work with the simrig,does the game have to be from steam.does it matter where I buy the game. I've bought no limits 2, but when i Ioad it up,it does not work.i have simtools, simtools manager,and simtools game engine.its been patched,so I know that part of it is working.every thing works.so any advice from yourself, would be great.wilf, from South of England.uk.thanks.
Hi TIGERSHARK Yeah.. so I bought no limits 2 also but I got it from steam.. I had to change a run file so that it said --telemetry .. I did do a video on it.
But i changed that in the steam launch window.. Also.. I would post the question to noorbeast on x-sim forum.. he will probably know. I'll ask him and see if he replys too.
hi dave just wanna ask what happen if i use 2 amps instead of 25 amps
probably will 'work' but that's not enough to move a body and a seat very convincingly. What are you building? let me know.. Dave
im building a 2 dof motion rig just like yours. been watching your tutorial videos for the past few months and now its the time for me to build it XD
@@tricenexequillemendoza521 Very cool.. It's a great DIY project. just take your time and get the parts you need that match voltage and amps etc.. never give up.. Dave
hello which file do you install at 10.20?
Thanks for the question. at 10:20 I am installing the SMC3.ino file into the arduino.. You can get it here *it's free* www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/smc3-arduino-3dof-motor-driver-and-windows-utilities.4957/
This is the main page on how to hook all the wiring up and download the files at the bottom.. Hope that helps, Dave
hello I'm talking about the first thing you download before you download smc3 (just before you change the download time and explain that your pc is slow)
Thanks very much
Its good!
I finally got it thank you for your video
@@jo098 Ok. Cool.. great! Check back cause I have follow up to SMC3 with the Simtools setups.. Dave
@@DMAX_DIY Thank you for your videos.
I installed itb-2 and started playing with smc3.
some settings are not really clear at the moment...
I followed the tutorial on xSimulator but some parameters are still unclear for me, such as fpwm for example... did you find more details?
I’d actually like u to let me buy this if possible
That’s serious even if I have to sign paperwork or whatever
Oh I see the question now.. No I'm not selling anything.. I'm just showing people how to DIY their own motion sim. That's what the channel is all about. Thanks though.. Dave
If u could help me out here that would be a awesome sir
Thanks for the question.. What is your question?
I’d like to talk to u about this seriously I’m in process of finding the stuff but if I could by a set up from u I’d just do that as well I just want steering wheel and pedals
@@Driftyboi594 I could give you a list. But most of the equipment needed is actually in the description link. email: max.motion.simulator@gmail.com I check email maybe once a week.. Maybe I can help
Please, I ask you for your email to send you the information you requested. I am a Turkoyear from Argentina 2dof simulator
Thank you
I sent it on your other comment.. Going flying is pretty close now.. I think you got this.. Let me know.. DMAX
Thanks
Thanks!
Thank you Gary! I appreciate it. Hope this is helping out! I just got my extra 3 motors today.. Going to attempt to make a 6 DOF stewart platform. The extra motors are the 50:1 12 volt crab pot motors.. so I'm hoping they are strong enough but I dont know.. I'll give it a shot and post it up for you guys.. Dave
@@DMAX_DIY Time for you to move on to 6! More power to you! I like you diving in first and answering many questions! Once I get moving you may be hearing from me with a question or 2, 3,,, Thank you again. Good luck with the next one, or 6.!
@@garymarma6005 Could be a disaster.. but I'm psyched!!
Thanks!
Thanks!