The more time goes by, the more I realize that Steven Moffat really gave us gold with his era. Consistently. Even the deleted scenes show that he made excellent choices on what to leave out.
Capaldi is not just a bloody good actor, he's a national treasure. I'd say he deserves a knighthood, but he's already turned down an OBE, so he'd probably turn down the chance to be called "Sir" too.
I always thought it was a shame when they cut the scene at the end of Journey's End where donna is on the phone but she looked up as the tardis dematerialised with a certain amount of recognition on her face, but after a few seconds she looked away and carried on with her conversation on the phone. I thought it would have been interesting to leave her knowing that some part of the doctor and her adventures still existed somewhere in her memories. Great video! Thanks Ellie! ❤️😊
With number 1, the story was at one point a little different as well. The original draft of The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit reportedly had the return of the Slitheen. The Slitheen would have been enslaved by the humans, and the episodes would have focused around them manipulating the crew into opening the pit in order to escape their imprisonment. The Ood were ultimately substituted in as they needed a monster that was cheap to make and could be mass produced.
That 2-parter....THOSE are the episodes that finally caused Who to click for me. When Tennent monologues to the beast...and everything that led to that point.
You missed out 10th Doctor and Doctor/Donna giving the Meta-Crisis Doctor a shard of the TARDIS for him to grow his own. Surprising, considering what's coming...
People forget, that Meta-TEN and Rose would only use their TARDIS in that universe (called Pete's world), because the barriers between the universes WERE a thing back then (and probably still are). That was the whole deal of Rose and her family being STRANDED there. The Doctor ended there the first time by accident, involving Mickey holding a button pressed for longer, than healthy. So even with a TARDIS, the duo from Pete's world could adventure only in that version of the universe. Having a TARDIS doesn't automatically mean crossing between universes. 11th made also a big deal of jetissoning some rooms to cross to a bubble universe to find other Timelords and ended up in a trap with the sentient asteroid, called House. It's not like the crossing of different planes is the easiest thing ever.
@@WhoCulture Right, except that now there is no limit to the Doctor's regeneration there is no real consequence to any future incarnation of the Doctor dying. The fifth Doctor's action, (if repeated,) from now on is of no detriment to his future he could just sacrifice himself again and again. The fact that the first Doctor is no longer the first Doctor. That there have been countless iterations has little impact on the show? The Doctor is no longer a timelord but some eternal/timeless being that has little impact on the show? If you truly believe that then that is your prerogative but I would suggest that to think that such a monumental shift in the character's history either has had or will have little impact is a little nieve, to say the least.
@DrWhoFanJ Well, thanks for telling me. There I was thinking it was true, but now you've told me, and especially as you didn't even need to offer a counter to my argument, I see clearly that I was wrong. Wow, it must be great to be right all the time and not have to prove anything; not even a shred of evidence is needed. I really envy you for having such knowledge. Well, I must go now and ruminate on my inadequacies and just how much I do not know about Doctor Who compared to you. I cannot believe just how wrong I was; not a single bit was right, eh? .
One interesting moment that was ultimately cut was that in power of the daleks the doctor, after regenerating, originally said it wasn’t the first time it happened as well as mentioning that the daleks invaded his planet once before both were written out
I actually don't think Pete taking a drink would have changed anything about his character? He's hardly getting hammered is he? Also the bells of Saint John is honestly such a good episode and genuinely feels very unique
I once asked Nick Courtney at Manopticon if dramatically Battlefield would have been better if the Brigadier had died when the Destroyer was killed? I did also say that I hoped he didn't take the question the wrong way in that I wanted his character to die and he said that the Brigadier was not in danger of dying in Battlefield. He added that there had been a discussion to have the Brigadier killed off in the mid-70's but he declined it as he didn't want to prevent future appearances.
Alright Ellie, since you brought it up... Around 9:35ish you say that LOST LORD would be a great name for a punk band. Well @1:20ish, I thought that THE BUDGIE SMUGGLERS would make a great name for a punk band.
Another one, form the Five Doctors: "The Brigadier's right!" Originally it was supposed to be Jamie and Victoria that appeared as illusions, but when Deborah Watling wasn't available for filming (with Wendy Padbury taking her place) the line was given to Jamie. This changed from the Second Doctor realising that they weren't real due to Victoria only knowing Lethbridge-Stewart as a Colonel, to the Doctor gaining knowledge of Jamie and Zoe's memory wipe shortly before his own regeneration. And thus, the Season 6B theory was born.
Ellie, some excellent research! I didn’t know a few of these, and I’ve been a fan of Who since 1981 (born 1969). Yet, the first of 10, hearing your lovely voice, talk about “pants” in the British vernacular,…🧠😮😀
I think the regeneration in the Giggle can simply be explained away by the Toymaker thinking… “I wonder how this regeneration thing works? Does a new one just pop right out of the old one good as new? Or does he split into two right down the middle? Or….(doesn’t get the chance to think of more)”
Fun fact about Hide : the episode was renamed in french as "Le fantôme de Caliburn" ("The phantom of Caliburn" in english), wich may not be the original idea, but this is still much cooler than juste "Hide"
In regards to Bradley’s interpretation of The First Doctor(Which is absolutely phenomenal and you can’t ever replace him either), They could get Pertwee’s grandson to play the third incarnation seeing as how he is his spitting image. It may actually be a way for them to continue to introduce older more classic Doctor’s for anniversary specials and expand on things as well as reintroduce new fans to the classics too.
Sadly, I've heard that he turned down the offer a few times already :( I am sure they can get a similar looking actor though if they need him, just look at Bradley, you can tell he's not the same, but he's still close enough that you can realise he plays the First Doctor even without prior knowledge.
I'm guessing the timeless child pretty much only functions as a device to let them get more silly with regenerations, while removing the need to figure out another reason for the Time Lords to gift the doctor yet another regeneration cycle. It opens them up more to short term doctors, like single series, or even single special regenerations. without having to burn regeneration "slots".
Yea. Imagine them comming out with the same old crap "oh, the Doctor is out of regeneration, we need to give him/her another cycle, but how?" That would work few times, but eventually get boring. Repetition isn't always a good thing. Timeless Child simply removes that need to deal with the limit and improves on the story. Not like it's anything entirely new, it's basically a recycled Cartmel Masterplan with some details changed.
You left out what's easily the most obvious deleted scene from Classic, where Seven tells Davros that he's far more than just another Time Lord. Maybe go with some deeper digging than always leaning heavy on 10.
Always loved the satin pit, they could revisit it easy! The beast was cool it had a physical and mental manifestation. I wish they’d break back smaller protagonist like this.
They would need to explain, how it survived. We saw the end of the Beast's physical, as well as mental form. The Beast ended up in the black hole and the link it had with Toby ended with Toby also spiraling into the black hole. Yes, the Beast implied, that the thought of it is eternal and that it is the origin of all those images about the Devil, Satan and whatnot, but we've seen the end of it. The idea might survive, but that's about it, it's an idea. There was once a devil, but all that's left is ... memories, ideas, inspirations maybe, but not the real deal - the Beast in flesh and it's living mind. Both were effectively destroyed at the end of that episode. That's probably also the reason, why 13th claimed, she doesn't believe in the devil, despite meeting him in earlier regeneration. Because all that's left of the devil are just ideas, the devil is no longer.
One plot hole that has not been explained in 'Twice upon a time' is how the Doctor (Capaldi) agrees with Testimony to return Archibald Hamish Lethbridge-Stewart to the moment of his death. The Doctor makes sure he arrives a few moments late, so Lethbridge-Stewart doesn't die due to the Christmas truce. Testimony is present to witness this change of plan, but does nothing to intervene to ensure the time line is maintained.
The thing with Testimony is that they extract people from their moments of death (kinda like Clara in Hell bent, well kinda), copy their memories and return them to die. The Testimony succeeded in 2 of those 3 steps and the return was all that was left. Usually it would mean to return them to the exact point of extraction, but the Doctor sinced it with Christmas and ultimately postponed the death of Archibald perhaps a few years later. Instead on battlefield, he would die at home, or in an accident, or dunno. But he would die eventually and the Testimony already had, what they wanted, so they didn't really care. The Doctor saved a life of a good man and the Testimony didn't care about it, because their job was basically done. They left it to the Doctor (on his proposal) to return Archibald, where he belongs, sooner, or slightly later, didn't really matter. The Testimony is an AI, basically a robot from New Earth traveling back through time and collecting memories of people at the end of their lives. With Archibald, the Doctor gave him a little bit more time, but the Testimony had most of his memories, so they didn't see that as an issue. It's not like they wanted him dead at all cost, they aren't evil.
@@Croftice1 Not sure if I agree - Archibald is hardly an old man at the time Testimony took him - he could have another 40 years of life ahead of him - a hell of a lot of time to gather new memories and experiences for Testimony to harvest at the end of his extended life span.
I don't think any of these would have changed everything. The changing body of the Doc was not a regeneration at first, not called that for another 15 years; Tom's Doctor said he was NO longer a Time Lord, "I was once" and that leaving disconnected him from Time Lords (Inv Enemy).
"Considering how little an impact the Timeless Child has had". LITTLE?! That's what you're calling the worst decision any Doctor Who showrunner (let alone Chibnall) has done and may have somewhat destroyed the show?! Also, in Flatline, just before the official confrontation of the Boneless, there was a deleted scene where the community service workers all made phone calls to their loved ones. During it, Fenton (the grouchy older man who was leading Rigsy and the other younger men and was the only one who survived aside Rigsy, to the Doctor's displeasure) was asked by one of the workers who was killed about anyone he wanted to call. The old crotch would've then handed the phone to Rigsy, who would've stated that anyone he himself wanted to call would just hang up on him. Fenton then offered to ring them on Rigsy's behalf so that Rigsy could ring whoever would hang up on Fenton. (Somewhat quite a turn from a complete grouch who didn't care about a few innocent casualties to proving that he's no different to his workers.)
I was disappointed that the 14th Doctor's clothes had changed from the 13th Doctor's clothes. It would have been hilarious to see how David Tennant played off wearing the 13th Doctor's clothes! Missed opportunity.
Same as the Master in those few moments after 13th regenerated into him (or he into her). It was in that same episode - a man in 13th clothes. Yea, I know, it's really hard to imagine.
the 14th's regeneration clothes change thing is very weird, apparently it was because the doctor could have been perceived as crossdressing, very dumb considering 13s outfit was pretty gender neutral anyway.
It's a special outside of the show called "An adventure in space and time" I think. It's starring Matt Smith as ... well himself and David Bradley as ... surprise, also himself, taking over the role of the 1st Doctor and basically continuing the show's legacy. After some reading on Doctor Who wiki, it seems to be a docudrama, part documentary, part a story. And Matt Smith has just an uncredited cameo in the documentary part. I've seen some bits on YT, never knew about the story, only the "behind the scenes" part, that is the documentary - exactly the part, where they are shooting the story and showing William Hartnell (played by David Bradley) during a shooting break, or just after a scene being done (not sure) looking to the side, where he sees Matt Smith "taking over" the role of the Doctor 50 years later, more like a vision of Smith, a ghost like figure, knowing the future of the show is in safe hands so to speak. Smith smiles at him and presses some buttons on the console and Hartnell/Bradley nods towards him, acknowledging the legacy.
The scene that I think could have changed everything was the deleted scene in Journey’s End where The Doctor gave the Meta-crisis Doctor a grow your own TARDIS.
Wouldn't change a thing. Yes, Meta-TEN and Rose got a crystal to grow their own TARDIS, but traveling between the universes wouldn't be possible still. They would only use their TARDIS in Pete's world (not that universe's Earth, that universe's whole universe, but still only that, no crossing). They made a big deal of that for 3 whole seasons. Sure Rose crossed a few times to "our" universe, but the barriers between them were weak and stuff. At the end of Journey's end everything was back to normal, the barriers closed after 10th Doctor left Pete's world. And yes, 10th crossed from main universe to Pete's world more than once, but the first time it was an accident, later times the barriers were weak. Non of that would probably apply at Journey's end and later. Maybe if Meta-TEN was reckless and tried to replicate Mickey's accident to cross the universes. But would he? Also 11th later jetissoned some rooms in the TARDIS to cross into the bubble universe with the sentient asteroid House and had House to delete rooms to cross back into our universe. So it's not like they would do that very often, would they? 10th said, that crossing different universes was a thing back when the Timelords ruled, but after the Time War, there's only the Doctor (and sometimes the Master), it's nearly impossible to cross universes now. Like do people pay attention to the actual show? All that stuff was in there. Meta-TEN getting his own TARDIS doesn't mean an automatic cross between universes, it would only mean his adventures with Rose within Pete's world.
How little an impact The Timeless Child had? Are you kidding? The Timeless Child is what caused me and a lot of other viewers to STOP WATCHING. No, I'm not a recent fan, I've been a Whovian since the 1980s. The Timeless Child was such an affront to the whole canon that there are still repercussions! Please tell me that you were being sarcastic?
@@tracyroweauthor It was a lot more than one offhand comment, but if you don't remember the story in question, that's probably a good thing, it's definitely not worth rewatching. 🤮 And the show has mostly ignored it ever existed ever since, which is easy to do, regardless of whether something is one comment, a whole episode, or a whole season, so it's irrelevant how much screen time it occupied anyhow. What matters is what happens after.
Yes, we've all gotten past or plain forgotten The Timeless Child. LOL It's more likely that it's been a few years and Who is kind of like comics in that only what happened in the most recent continuity has any importance (for the most part) and that over time few fans will even remember in a few years.
I always maintain the Zygon Inversion speech is already too long. I think it should have stopped at "and when I close my eyes" and not had him describe what he saw, Capaldi's acting told us more than the words did.
I would have thought the clothing changing upon regeneration had a simple explanation we, sort of, got in "The Time of the Doctor". When preparing to visit The Church of the Papal Mainframe, The Doctor reveals they must be naked (Doctor Who is on before the watershed so full on nudity would be a no-no. Really extended nudity for multiple characters wouldn't work regardless, especially considering they export the show around the world and a brief breast or flashed penis might be acceptable in some places, most of the world would say no). Anyway, enter the holographic filter that makes him look dressed. He later extends this to Clara. Much like the language filter that has them always hearing comprehensible languages, this is not a projection from an emitter, rather a mental image that Tasha Lem reveals can be ignored with training. He needed yo be naked to go to the church but it could reasonably be used while dressed. It presents the person as they want to be seen and as such if it was active when The Doctor regenerated it would alter for his new personality. Since its source is a time machine(with nonlinear awareness of time), it can even display his future look because it knows what he will eventually want to be seen as. That was always my assumption, well since the end of Smith's run. Just assumed it acted like psychic paper.
"The more sensitive world we live in today" You mean where anything that might possibly cause the slightest semblance of possible maybe might be offence is cancelled???
Nope Nope Tenant's cloths change is just cynical lazy writing for the cheap effect. They wanted him in his costume so - blink - he's gonna be in his costume, not in 13th's. Never mind that this never happened before. And f you for insisting that the mistake with Troughton's trousers establishes precedence.
And guess what? The clothes change wasn't Chibnall's doing, it's the new showrunner, who's always writing the new Doctor's first scene, so blame the beloved RTD for this rubbish. People hate Chibnall (and honestly I don't really love his work either, I like Jodie's 13th Doctor, but find most of her scripts horrible anyway), but it's weird, how everyone ignores the fact, that he wrote a regeneration without the clothes change (the Master force-regenerating into the Doctor while still wearing 13th clothes) and yet praise the almighty RTD while he did that stuff at the end of TPotD. I'm not saying, that you specifically blame Chibnall, I'm saying, that people do, which is wrong in this case.
To be fair, had NuWhovians not been given an ider of the significance of the Bridiger, in the new shows, the scene where he overcomes being a cyberman, wouldn't have had the same impact I think. I can only assume of course that it did have a impact of course. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who grew up with Classic Who, who was affected by that scene.
Okay, Ellie's back and noticeably absent is the negativity that plagued that last couple of videos. I don't know who is in charge, but I'd bet you can guess who I think should be.
@@Techyx ok, I'll do that, I'll do a doors one, but I'll do my voice that time, and do a better one, thanks for saying! Nice to see thee is a Whovian and a Doors fan out there!
He absolutely is a transphobe but back in 2005 we had no idea what a shitbag JK Rowling was on the issue. Plus and I hate to say this but someone being a dumbass on gender doesn't mean they're incapable of producing good work
Which of these would you have been most interested in seeing?
All except 10 in his pants,
Same
Twice Upon A Time - Snyder Cut Please
The more time goes by, the more I realize that Steven Moffat really gave us gold with his era. Consistently. Even the deleted scenes show that he made excellent choices on what to leave out.
I *love* Capaldi's speech in the zygon inversion. Moffat's era had great monologues and his 2 doctors were great at delivering them
The fact that he wasn't nominated for a BAFTA for that speech alone is a travesty.
@@ladycplum calm yourself you egg
@@bobbybobstar1496 Is that supposed to mean something in English?
Yep. Even so-so episodes (lookin at you, Rings of Akhaten) give great speech.
4 if you include 8 and the war doctor
Capaldi is not just a bloody good actor, he's a national treasure. I'd say he deserves a knighthood, but he's already turned down an OBE, so he'd probably turn down the chance to be called "Sir" too.
I always thought it was a shame when they cut the scene at the end of Journey's End where donna is on the phone but she looked up as the tardis dematerialised with a certain amount of recognition on her face, but after a few seconds she looked away and carried on with her conversation on the phone. I thought it would have been interesting to leave her knowing that some part of the doctor and her adventures still existed somewhere in her memories. Great video! Thanks Ellie! ❤️😊
Yeah no but I thought they said she'd basically blow up if she was reminded of anything Who related
@@johnnyace1300 yeah i thought so as well
Glad they kept it as it was, just would have been an interesting alternative! 😊😊
With number 1, the story was at one point a little different as well. The original draft of The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit reportedly had the return of the Slitheen. The Slitheen would have been enslaved by the humans, and the episodes would have focused around them manipulating the crew into opening the pit in order to escape their imprisonment.
The Ood were ultimately substituted in as they needed a monster that was cheap to make and could be mass produced.
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That 2-parter....THOSE are the episodes that finally caused Who to click for me. When Tennent monologues to the beast...and everything that led to that point.
You missed out 10th Doctor and Doctor/Donna giving the Meta-Crisis Doctor a shard of the TARDIS for him to grow his own. Surprising, considering what's coming...
People forget, that Meta-TEN and Rose would only use their TARDIS in that universe (called Pete's world), because the barriers between the universes WERE a thing back then (and probably still are). That was the whole deal of Rose and her family being STRANDED there. The Doctor ended there the first time by accident, involving Mickey holding a button pressed for longer, than healthy. So even with a TARDIS, the duo from Pete's world could adventure only in that version of the universe. Having a TARDIS doesn't automatically mean crossing between universes. 11th made also a big deal of jetissoning some rooms to cross to a bubble universe to find other Timelords and ended up in a trap with the sentient asteroid, called House. It's not like the crossing of different planes is the easiest thing ever.
"The Shakespeare Code" is one of my favorite episodes!
I always thought that the Ood looked like The Master (Buffy The Vampire Slayer) as if Buffy pulled his intestines out through his mouth.
According to Doctor Who DVD Files, another idea for what would've been at the bottom of Satan's Pit was a "creepy little girl."
"Considering how little an impact the timeless child has had...". I do hope that there was some sarcasm in that comment. LOL!
None at all - we mean that it’s had very little impact on the show itself!
@@WhoCulture Right, except that now there is no limit to the Doctor's regeneration there is no real consequence to any future incarnation of the Doctor dying. The fifth Doctor's action, (if repeated,) from now on is of no detriment to his future he could just sacrifice himself again and again. The fact that the first Doctor is no longer the first Doctor. That there have been countless iterations has little impact on the show? The Doctor is no longer a timelord but some eternal/timeless being that has little impact on the show? If you truly believe that then that is your prerogative but I would suggest that to think that such a monumental shift in the character's history either has had or will have little impact is a little nieve, to say the least.
@@ronnietexan And literally none of that is actually true at all.
@DrWhoFanJ Well, thanks for telling me. There I was thinking it was true, but now you've told me, and especially as you didn't even need to offer a counter to my argument, I see clearly that I was wrong. Wow, it must be great to be right all the time and not have to prove anything; not even a shred of evidence is needed. I really envy you for having such knowledge. Well, I must go now and ruminate on my inadequacies and just how much I do not know about Doctor Who compared to you. I cannot believe just how wrong I was; not a single bit was right, eh?
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A different phone call? I'm sure it was someone telling him that the TARDIS's warranty was about to expire.
One interesting moment that was ultimately cut was that in power of the daleks the doctor, after regenerating, originally said it wasn’t the first time it happened as well as mentioning that the daleks invaded his planet once before both were written out
I actually don't think Pete taking a drink would have changed anything about his character? He's hardly getting hammered is he?
Also the bells of Saint John is honestly such a good episode and genuinely feels very unique
I once asked Nick Courtney at Manopticon if dramatically Battlefield would have been better if the Brigadier had died when the Destroyer was killed? I did also say that I hoped he didn't take the question the wrong way in that I wanted his character to die and he said that the Brigadier was not in danger of dying in Battlefield. He added that there had been a discussion to have the Brigadier killed off in the mid-70's but he declined it as he didn't want to prevent future appearances.
Alright Ellie, since you brought it up...
Around 9:35ish you say that LOST LORD would be a great name for a punk band.
Well @1:20ish, I thought that THE BUDGIE SMUGGLERS would make a great name for a punk band.
Hide was great...I would not change anything about it....going from a ghost story to a love story was a great twist...
Another one, form the Five Doctors:
"The Brigadier's right!"
Originally it was supposed to be Jamie and Victoria that appeared as illusions, but when Deborah Watling wasn't available for filming (with Wendy Padbury taking her place) the line was given to Jamie. This changed from the Second Doctor realising that they weren't real due to Victoria only knowing Lethbridge-Stewart as a Colonel, to the Doctor gaining knowledge of Jamie and Zoe's memory wipe shortly before his own regeneration. And thus, the Season 6B theory was born.
Ellie, some excellent research! I didn’t know a few of these, and I’ve been a fan of Who since 1981 (born 1969).
Yet, the first of 10, hearing your lovely voice, talk about “pants” in the British vernacular,…🧠😮😀
Ellie , you brighten my day , thank you .
The impossible planet and the Satan pit are two of my all time favourite episodes! Wouldn’t change a thing
I think the regeneration in the Giggle can simply be explained away by the Toymaker thinking… “I wonder how this regeneration thing works? Does a new one just pop right out of the old one good as new? Or does he split into two right down the middle? Or….(doesn’t get the chance to think of more)”
Fun fact about Hide : the episode was renamed in french as "Le fantôme de Caliburn" ("The phantom of Caliburn" in english), wich may not be the original idea, but this is still much cooler than juste "Hide"
the timeless child yeah surprisingly is like something i feel like most fans chose to kind of ignore lol.
Missy confirms it in Death In Heaven when she mimics the call.
In regards to Bradley’s interpretation of The First Doctor(Which is absolutely phenomenal and you can’t ever replace him either), They could get Pertwee’s grandson to play the third incarnation seeing as how he is his spitting image. It may actually be a way for them to continue to introduce older more classic Doctor’s for anniversary specials and expand on things as well as reintroduce new fans to the classics too.
Sadly, I've heard that he turned down the offer a few times already :( I am sure they can get a similar looking actor though if they need him, just look at Bradley, you can tell he's not the same, but he's still close enough that you can realise he plays the First Doctor even without prior knowledge.
I'm guessing the timeless child pretty much only functions as a device to let them get more silly with regenerations, while removing the need to figure out another reason for the Time Lords to gift the doctor yet another regeneration cycle. It opens them up more to short term doctors, like single series, or even single special regenerations. without having to burn regeneration "slots".
Yea. Imagine them comming out with the same old crap "oh, the Doctor is out of regeneration, we need to give him/her another cycle, but how?" That would work few times, but eventually get boring. Repetition isn't always a good thing. Timeless Child simply removes that need to deal with the limit and improves on the story. Not like it's anything entirely new, it's basically a recycled Cartmel Masterplan with some details changed.
You left out what's easily the most obvious deleted scene from Classic, where Seven tells Davros that he's far more than just another Time Lord. Maybe go with some deeper digging than always leaning heavy on 10.
Always loved the satin pit, they could revisit it easy! The beast was cool it had a physical and mental manifestation. I wish they’d break back smaller protagonist like this.
They would need to explain, how it survived. We saw the end of the Beast's physical, as well as mental form. The Beast ended up in the black hole and the link it had with Toby ended with Toby also spiraling into the black hole. Yes, the Beast implied, that the thought of it is eternal and that it is the origin of all those images about the Devil, Satan and whatnot, but we've seen the end of it. The idea might survive, but that's about it, it's an idea. There was once a devil, but all that's left is ... memories, ideas, inspirations maybe, but not the real deal - the Beast in flesh and it's living mind. Both were effectively destroyed at the end of that episode. That's probably also the reason, why 13th claimed, she doesn't believe in the devil, despite meeting him in earlier regeneration. Because all that's left of the devil are just ideas, the devil is no longer.
Thanks Ellie! We 💕💕💕💕 ya!
wait, what was moffat's explanation going to be for the first regeneration clothes change?
One plot hole that has not been explained in 'Twice upon a time' is how the Doctor (Capaldi) agrees with Testimony to return Archibald Hamish Lethbridge-Stewart to the moment of his death. The Doctor makes sure he arrives a few moments late, so Lethbridge-Stewart doesn't die due to the Christmas truce. Testimony is present to witness this change of plan, but does nothing to intervene to ensure the time line is maintained.
The thing with Testimony is that they extract people from their moments of death (kinda like Clara in Hell bent, well kinda), copy their memories and return them to die. The Testimony succeeded in 2 of those 3 steps and the return was all that was left. Usually it would mean to return them to the exact point of extraction, but the Doctor sinced it with Christmas and ultimately postponed the death of Archibald perhaps a few years later. Instead on battlefield, he would die at home, or in an accident, or dunno. But he would die eventually and the Testimony already had, what they wanted, so they didn't really care. The Doctor saved a life of a good man and the Testimony didn't care about it, because their job was basically done. They left it to the Doctor (on his proposal) to return Archibald, where he belongs, sooner, or slightly later, didn't really matter. The Testimony is an AI, basically a robot from New Earth traveling back through time and collecting memories of people at the end of their lives. With Archibald, the Doctor gave him a little bit more time, but the Testimony had most of his memories, so they didn't see that as an issue. It's not like they wanted him dead at all cost, they aren't evil.
@@Croftice1 Not sure if I agree - Archibald is hardly an old man at the time Testimony took him - he could have another 40 years of life ahead of him - a hell of a lot of time to gather new memories and experiences for Testimony to harvest at the end of his extended life span.
OJ, but Ten in his undies could've been hilarious. ☺️
I don't think any of these would have changed everything. The changing body of the Doc was not a regeneration at first, not called that for another 15 years; Tom's Doctor said he was NO longer a Time Lord, "I was once" and that leaving disconnected him from Time Lords (Inv Enemy).
"Considering how little an impact the Timeless Child has had". LITTLE?! That's what you're calling the worst decision any Doctor Who showrunner (let alone Chibnall) has done and may have somewhat destroyed the show?! Also, in Flatline, just before the official confrontation of the Boneless, there was a deleted scene where the community service workers all made phone calls to their loved ones. During it, Fenton (the grouchy older man who was leading Rigsy and the other younger men and was the only one who survived aside Rigsy, to the Doctor's displeasure) was asked by one of the workers who was killed about anyone he wanted to call. The old crotch would've then handed the phone to Rigsy, who would've stated that anyone he himself wanted to call would just hang up on him. Fenton then offered to ring them on Rigsy's behalf so that Rigsy could ring whoever would hang up on Fenton. (Somewhat quite a turn from a complete grouch who didn't care about a few innocent casualties to proving that he's no different to his workers.)
Where the Rani after the time war ???
The rani and the master are one?
@@saintzeroinfinity no they are two seperate people
Than wants you’re explanation why doctor who hasn’t brought “the rani” back?
I was disappointed that the 14th Doctor's clothes had changed from the 13th Doctor's clothes. It would have been hilarious to see how David Tennant played off wearing the 13th Doctor's clothes! Missed opportunity.
Same as the Master in those few moments after 13th regenerated into him (or he into her). It was in that same episode - a man in 13th clothes. Yea, I know, it's really hard to imagine.
the 14th's regeneration clothes change thing is very weird, apparently it was because the doctor could have been perceived as crossdressing, very dumb considering 13s outfit was pretty gender neutral anyway.
Everybody knows that the Bogeyman is John Wick... ;-P
"How little an impact"... you're kidding, right?
It’s basically been ignored so tbh, yeah it’s had a super tiny impact lol
@@hunyesmith03 It's certainly been ignored by Who fans, who didn't watch those series.
The Timeless Children or whatever it’s called totally screwed what Dr Who was supposed to be about
No, it didn’t.
I saw the delete scenes on TH-cam from series 2
I have to keep reminding myself: "series" means "season"... ;-P
Ooh... it's the Ood...
9:00 for some reason, I don’t remember this episode
Hide! It’s in the back part of Series 7. Quite an underrated story.
Also, hello Weeping Angel. Love your profile pic.
What is the name of the part, when the "first" doctor went backstage
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It's a special outside of the show called "An adventure in space and time" I think. It's starring Matt Smith as ... well himself and David Bradley as ... surprise, also himself, taking over the role of the 1st Doctor and basically continuing the show's legacy.
After some reading on Doctor Who wiki, it seems to be a docudrama, part documentary, part a story. And Matt Smith has just an uncredited cameo in the documentary part. I've seen some bits on YT, never knew about the story, only the "behind the scenes" part, that is the documentary - exactly the part, where they are shooting the story and showing William Hartnell (played by David Bradley) during a shooting break, or just after a scene being done (not sure) looking to the side, where he sees Matt Smith "taking over" the role of the Doctor 50 years later, more like a vision of Smith, a ghost like figure, knowing the future of the show is in safe hands so to speak. Smith smiles at him and presses some buttons on the console and Hartnell/Bradley nods towards him, acknowledging the legacy.
I can’t get enough of these videos
I feel like I’m in the minority of this… but ima just say it anyway: CAPALDI WAS MY FAVORITE FRIGGEN DOCTOR OF THEM ALL. There. I said it. ❤️
Not a problem, we all have 'our doctor'. Mine is Tom Baker, even though I started watching (very young) John Pertwee and did enjoy those.
The scene that I think could have changed everything was the deleted scene in Journey’s End where The Doctor gave the Meta-crisis Doctor a grow your own TARDIS.
Wouldn't change a thing. Yes, Meta-TEN and Rose got a crystal to grow their own TARDIS, but traveling between the universes wouldn't be possible still. They would only use their TARDIS in Pete's world (not that universe's Earth, that universe's whole universe, but still only that, no crossing). They made a big deal of that for 3 whole seasons. Sure Rose crossed a few times to "our" universe, but the barriers between them were weak and stuff. At the end of Journey's end everything was back to normal, the barriers closed after 10th Doctor left Pete's world. And yes, 10th crossed from main universe to Pete's world more than once, but the first time it was an accident, later times the barriers were weak. Non of that would probably apply at Journey's end and later. Maybe if Meta-TEN was reckless and tried to replicate Mickey's accident to cross the universes. But would he? Also 11th later jetissoned some rooms in the TARDIS to cross into the bubble universe with the sentient asteroid House and had House to delete rooms to cross back into our universe. So it's not like they would do that very often, would they? 10th said, that crossing different universes was a thing back when the Timelords ruled, but after the Time War, there's only the Doctor (and sometimes the Master), it's nearly impossible to cross universes now. Like do people pay attention to the actual show? All that stuff was in there. Meta-TEN getting his own TARDIS doesn't mean an automatic cross between universes, it would only mean his adventures with Rose within Pete's world.
Rare Johnathan Nathan Turner w
the 1st one wouldnt pass in todays world and to be honest i can totally understand why and for once i agree.
How little an impact The Timeless Child had? Are you kidding? The Timeless Child is what caused me and a lot of other viewers to STOP WATCHING.
No, I'm not a recent fan, I've been a Whovian since the 1980s. The Timeless Child was such an affront to the whole canon that there are still repercussions! Please tell me that you were being sarcastic?
To be clear - how little an impact it’s had in the show. Obviously it had a HUGE impact on the fandom.
@@WhoCulture Changing the Dalek's design had little impact on canon. The Timeless Child has a HUGE impact on CANON
@@tracyroweauthor I suspect it will ultimately have as much impact on the canon as the time it was revealed that The Doctor was half-human.
@@juliasophicalthere's a big difference between an offhand comment about being half human and a whole series about the Timeless Child.
@@tracyroweauthor It was a lot more than one offhand comment, but if you don't remember the story in question, that's probably a good thing, it's definitely not worth rewatching. 🤮 And the show has mostly ignored it ever existed ever since, which is easy to do, regardless of whether something is one comment, a whole episode, or a whole season, so it's irrelevant how much screen time it occupied anyhow. What matters is what happens after.
"budgie smugglers"???
Yes, we've all gotten past or plain forgotten The Timeless Child. LOL It's more likely that it's been a few years and Who is kind of like comics in that only what happened in the most recent continuity has any importance (for the most part) and that over time few fans will even remember in a few years.
It's easy to forget, if you've never watched any of her episodes. (not blaming the actress, she had really bad writers).
The timeless children almost killed dr who it hemorrhaged viewers after this
And yet it did nothing of the kind on either count.
@@DrWhoFanJ well the viewers disappeared the lowest since the mccoy years . And that was with catch up figures ..
@@daveshaw2342 And yet they categorically did not once the actually-statistically-valid metric is used!
@@daveshaw2342 I have. They’re at a perfectly-respectable level for a 59-year-old programme in 2022.
@@DrWhoFanJ I can run the 100ms at a respectable time for a 58 year old but my time is still rubbish ..
Who calls them 'budgie smugglers' 💀
Australians, thats our word for it!!!
Anyone who's had the misfortune to see them 🙈🤣🤣
great video. But I believe JNT was not the producer of Who at the time of 'Survival'. Otherwise, top notch!
JNT was the producer.
@@DoctorJohnSmith9 My bad. I forgot it only the script editor who changed.
I always maintain the Zygon Inversion speech is already too long. I think it should have stopped at "and when I close my eyes" and not had him describe what he saw, Capaldi's acting told us more than the words did.
I would have thought the clothing changing upon regeneration had a simple explanation we, sort of, got in "The Time of the Doctor".
When preparing to visit The Church of the Papal Mainframe, The Doctor reveals they must be naked (Doctor Who is on before the watershed so full on nudity would be a no-no. Really extended nudity for multiple characters wouldn't work regardless, especially considering they export the show around the world and a brief breast or flashed penis might be acceptable in some places, most of the world would say no). Anyway, enter the holographic filter that makes him look dressed. He later extends this to Clara.
Much like the language filter that has them always hearing comprehensible languages, this is not a projection from an emitter, rather a mental image that Tasha Lem reveals can be ignored with training. He needed yo be naked to go to the church but it could reasonably be used while dressed. It presents the person as they want to be seen and as such if it was active when The Doctor regenerated it would alter for his new personality.
Since its source is a time machine(with nonlinear awareness of time), it can even display his future look because it knows what he will eventually want to be seen as.
That was always my assumption, well since the end of Smith's run. Just assumed it acted like psychic paper.
"The more sensitive world we live in today"
You mean where anything that might possibly cause the slightest semblance of possible maybe might be offence is cancelled???
Correct. The 'world' isn't more sensitive but a few very loud social media users seem to be given more credence than should be possible.
Omega is the timeless child!!!
Nope Nope Tenant's cloths change is just cynical lazy writing for the cheap effect. They wanted him in his costume so - blink - he's gonna be in his costume, not in 13th's. Never mind that this never happened before. And f you for insisting that the mistake with Troughton's trousers establishes precedence.
And guess what? The clothes change wasn't Chibnall's doing, it's the new showrunner, who's always writing the new Doctor's first scene, so blame the beloved RTD for this rubbish. People hate Chibnall (and honestly I don't really love his work either, I like Jodie's 13th Doctor, but find most of her scripts horrible anyway), but it's weird, how everyone ignores the fact, that he wrote a regeneration without the clothes change (the Master force-regenerating into the Doctor while still wearing 13th clothes) and yet praise the almighty RTD while he did that stuff at the end of TPotD. I'm not saying, that you specifically blame Chibnall, I'm saying, that people do, which is wrong in this case.
I thought it wasn't confirmed whether it was River or Missy that gave Clara the Tardis' phone number.
It was Missy. She confirms it.
Ashilder/Me and 12 also confirmed it in Hell Bent.
How little of an impact the timeless child had are you freaking kidding me it destroyed Doctor who it tore up generations it had Major impact!!
And yet it did nothing of the kind.
To be fair, had NuWhovians not been given an ider of the significance of the Bridiger, in the new shows, the scene where he overcomes being a cyberman, wouldn't have had the same impact I think. I can only assume of course that it did have a impact of course. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who grew up with Classic Who, who was affected by that scene.
Okay, Ellie's back and noticeably absent is the negativity that plagued that last couple of videos. I don't know who is in charge, but I'd bet you can guess who I think should be.
The timeless child sucks
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@@Techyx really? Nice! Also, what content should I make next, like what do humans on this century like?
@@MadmanWthABox I really like your Doctor Who edits! Also a DOORS livestream with your viewers could be fun
@@Techyx ok, I'll do that, I'll do a doors one, but I'll do my voice that time, and do a better one, thanks for saying! Nice to see thee is a Whovian and a Doors fan out there!
Those are not deleted scenes, alternative ideas maybe but not scenes.
"..striped down to his undies"...
"..the more sensitive world we live in today"...
PLEASE LET THERE BE A NUCLEAR WAR, SO WE CAN RESET HUMANITY...
The Shakespeare’s Code is not underrated, it’s written by a transphobe and preaches about how good JK Rowling is. It has aged terribly.
He absolutely is a transphobe but back in 2005 we had no idea what a shitbag JK Rowling was on the issue. Plus and I hate to say this but someone being a dumbass on gender doesn't mean they're incapable of producing good work
Really? I didn't notice either topic being discussed.
@@Thurgosh_OG “Good old JK!” not ringing any bells?