@@mikenash7049 he found human dna in his eye. That was probably a side effect of his surgery and being in a human hospital. Meaning the 8th Doctor was half human, but the other Doctors are not.
The Merlin bit is not ignored, it’s just not needed. Part of the Arthur legend is that merlin is born at the wrong end of time. As such he remembers the future but had no knowledge of the past. Battlefield is a sequel to the Arthurian legend and the Doctor as a time traveler fits in as Merlin. We don’t need a sequel (from the Doctor’s point of view) as we already have it on the form of the Arthur legend
With number 9, I like how Stephen Moffat described it in Death in Heaven: "I particularly liked how they did this when Anthony Ainley was the Master back in the 80's. He would get killed, definitively at the end of every encounter with Peter Davison and Colin Baker. And would then turn up at the start of the next Master story with roughly this explanation; I escaped. Suits me, I'm fine with that. Super villains don't die do they."
I know it’s not a popular opinion but I liked Ainley’s portrayal of Master in Logopolis and the plot was excellent , thoughtful, scientifically reasonably coherent (particularly in novelisation) and plenty of use of the horrific minutariser(sp?!) Oh, and John Sim was super duper as the Master as well
I mean if the doctor can come as close to death as he does on a weekly basis, i think its fair that his arch nemesis who is basically the evil version of him would do the same.
I've not been happy with Chris Chibnall being show runner. Which is really sad for Jodi Whitaker as she had done great with the steaming pile given to her. I really hope Davies can get the serious back on track and less convoluted.
finally someone who think the same 😭😭 I say that since episode 3-4 of the Chibnall era 😭 actually even during other show runners era the episodes of Chibnall as guest scenarist always have been my less favorites… Idk he’s just off beam on the mood and themes imo
the sad reality is Chris Chinballs can't write to save his life, every time I see him pop up on the first few seasons of NuWho I skip the episode, I do not know how he got anywhere near the head writers chair and should be shot if he's ever seen with a pen in his hand again
Exactly, especially with the scene in his finale with wilf where he says “I’ve done some things, I done some things and things went wrong *deep inhale*” and reflecting on that
I think in Time Lord Victorious, he was humbled by her killing herself, and he realized his mistake. I figured that Time Lord Victorious was meant to be a very short-lived moment where the doctor was put in his place by her death.
Capaldi's eyebrows in Day of the Doctor. No one cared that they'd just seen the 12th (13th) incarnation when in the very next episode 11 had no more regeneration left.
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey. Having seen a future Doctor who couldn't exist play a part in saving Gallifrey, the Time Lords really had no option other than to grant the Doctor a new set of regenerations.
The time lords gave him more regeneration energy because of claras begging and telling them his name is the doctor the episode was called the time of the doctor
@@kurtisduke2685 Although it was all irrelevant in the end since it’s since been revealed in Season 12 that the Doctor had unlimited regenerations all along, or so they tell us.
Many, including myself, don't really consider it to be a part of the series. The worst thing that came out of it is the Doctor kissing all the companions.
And remember the first rule, the Doctor always lies so could be one of those things he said to fit the situation or soothe the companions or even a distraction but it was settled since begining that he was a full timelord and it´s impossible to be a hybrid timelord-human. A bit like he says that Clara is his carer or says half true things because he sees past present future and all its variations at same time. The master has same defect and in general all timelords speak a bit like lying to us with the excuse that "could have happened"
Time Lord victorious is pretty obvious, literally minutes after he has a premonition of his death, as he knows he is in his final days, which he is. However, you ignored the fact that the 12th Doctor acknowledged that the laws of time were his when he saved Ashildr.
Re: Morbius: It makes more sense from a story point of view, regardless of the writer's intentions, that those extra faces we see are Morbius' previous incarnations, as it shows the Doctor fighting back, and makes the fight a lot less one sided, as well as maintaining the narrative that Hartnell was the first.
They were taken by fans as being the Doctor. In his "What Has Happened to the Magic of 'Doctor Who'" review of "The Deadly Assassin", JVR criticised the idea that Time Lords only had 13 incarnations (up till then, they could live forever, barring accidents) by noting it made Tom Baker the penultimate Doctor.
@@GrahamPointer1972 *Some* fans. Others of us looked at the scene, essentially a psychic tug-of-war, and saw these unfamiliar faces as the Doctor regaining ground and the monitor now showing us Morbius' previous faces. Otherwise, the affair is wholly one-sided, Morbius is winning the whole time....so how did the Doctor survive this again?
@@GrahamPointer1972 not just the fans - the crew members who played the additional incarnations we're also told that they were playing earlier regenerations of the Doctor. So the writers thought Morbius showed earlier incarnations of the Doctor, and the actors thought Morbius showed earlier incarnations of the Doctor, and the fans thought Morbius showed earlier incarnations of the Doctor.
THE DOCTOR WORE MORBIUS OUT BY SHEER LUCK. THE FACES WERE MEANT TO BE EARLIER DOCTORS. WHAT EVERYONE FORGETS IS THAT THE LIMIT OF 12 REGENERATIIONS 13 LIVES WAS CREATED BY WRITER ROBERT HOLMES FOR THE DEADLY ASSASSIN AS A PLOT DEVICE AND BECAME LORE LATER. 13 IS ALSO A GOOD PICK AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE UNLUCKY
@@garycullen7390 Nah, don't buy it. It means the Doctor just stood there, did nothing, and took his beating like a little bitch. Not only makes the Doctor look bad, it's also bad writing. It makes more sense, as well as being more heroic and more in keeping with the overall continuity, that he's fighting back and we're seeing Morbius' earlier incarnations.
One thing that has been overlooked is the revelation of Timelords having symbiotic nuclei in the 2 Doctor's which is what allows them to time travel, similar to what happened with midi chlorines in Star Wars Phantom Menace.
Regarding "HALF HUMAN": it was leaned into and hinted at during Capaldi's HYBRID stories, especially HELL BENT. Regarding the Valeyard: he was mentioned in THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR as being another name of The Doctor.
This is kind of a sad list, there's no time where anyone doesn't CARE about a plot point, it's just we're usually either hiding our heads in embarrassment or staring with open-mouthed horror at a revelation.
I actually don’t mind it cause it’s never really touched upon where the timelords come from as a species cause there abilities like being able to regenerate come from the doctor but originally where do they come from for me it just tried to explain more about the timelords as a species other then the ability to regenerate
My personal head-canon for the Valeyard is that he's the Metacrisis Doctor from Pete's World, who was driven mad with grief by the untimely death of Rose Tyler (cancer, car accident, whatever), awakening the part of the Great Intelligence that fled into him when it was chased out of The Doctor's timestream by Clara. He constructs a way to return to the prime universe to steal The Doctor's regenerations, fails, but is recruited by Division and becomes the Shalka Doctor (hence the resemblance to Doctor Simeon and why the Shalka Doctor complains about how "they" keep sending him places he doesn't want to go). The Shalka Valeyard gets unwritten by a crack caused by the 11th Doctor's exploding TARDIS but isn't remembered to be brought back when the universe is rebooted. Existing in Anti-Time, he then becomes part of Zagreus. I mean, it's got more holes than a scarf that had been knitted by Madame Nostradarmus on an off day which has since been feasted upon by moth lavae, but it's only in my head. Unlike the Timeless Child, which Chibnall just couldn't keep to himself...
I'm with a lot of this, certainly in terms of where he comes from but I think it is as simple as that. In my head cannon there is a story we don't see where he manages to get back to our universe and injects himself into Gallifrey's past some how but is dying in the process so... Master Style he steals a body and becomes Valyard.
My personal theory is that the Dreamlord is the Valyard. He was revealed as the darker side of the Doctor and his appearance in Matt Smith's tenure fits in with him coming into existence during the Tennant/Smith regeneration.
@@markrogers6601 I wonder if that's where I got the idea... I haven't read it, but now you mention it I seem to remember someone telling me about it once and liking it as an idea.
I was really hoping to see 12 change into The Valeyard since Peter Capaldi first came into the role, ending his first enemy by allegedly pushing them to their death with a cold stare following. And with his line of '(Going) into darkness' and The Valeyard brought up in Name of The Doctor, I knew they didn't forget and he would be coming. But 12 regenerated into a woman without any dark side seeping out and I was left disappointed I was led on for years with nothing being done. And we never got anywhere close to that with Jodie Whittaker's portrayal as The Doctor. A pretty face with eyes holding worlds that burn would have been amazing.
But did he push the Half faced man down? He said he lied about one's basic programming. But he didn't say it's his programming, did he? The half android guy stopped trying to kill the Doctor, he was convinced to stop, talked into not continuing. So what if he actually did commit suicide? His purpose effectively ceased to exist. And he wanted to get to the Promissed Land (afterlife?) anyway. Perhaps he realised, that there's another way (or perhaps the only possible way) to reach it. It was still an android and it was calculating, so why not actually realising, that stuff might work in another way. That there is a way to reach its goal through "selfdestruct"?
The half-human thing is a plot point. When the Master sees that the Doctor has a human retinal print, he understands and uses Lee's eyes to open the Eye of Harmony. It could be argued, of course, that the 8th Doctor is indeed half-human and, sensing this, makes a seemingly throwaway comment about it in order to gain access to the berylium clock.
It is a dumb plot point though. Why would you have a lock that opens by a retina scan, but as long as it is the right species the lock says "close enough" and opens?!? There are more secure locks than that on electricity meters! And this is supposed to be the security for the eye of frickin' harmony!
@@markpostgate2551 As Doctor Who plot points go, is it any less ridiculous than beings that can only move via static electricity, unless they've got discs on their backs? "Dumb" plot points are par for the course with Doctor Who, I'd have said.
I wished 8th had more screen time. Paul was one of The Doctor's. Sahcha's version of The Master. He is down right evil and I love this incarnation of him.
I was happy to accept it as a lie on the Doctors part. But then the Master confirmed the Doctor was half human later in the movie, doubling down on a silly idea. I always thought that someone had been watching too much Star Trek when they wrote the TV movie. The chameleon circuit was referred to as a “cloaking device” and then we had the whole half-human thing. Mr Spock anyone?
The whole “the Doctor lies” argument doesn’t really work, considering the fact that the Master confirmed it, after analysing the inner workings of his eyes. You could try to argue the Master lied too, but it’s a bit convenient for the Doctor to make up a story about him being half human, and then the Master just happens to do the exact same thing shortly after to someone else. Also, why would the Master lie? It doesn’t benefit him. Chang Lee knows nothing about the Doctor, so it makes no real sense for the Master to be like “oh, the Doctor’s half human!” to Lee, because it literally means nothing to him.
Do people forget that the Doctor is a time traveller? (As is the Master...) How can you expect that the Master will be dead in following episodes, when you don't even know if it happened in the past or in the future of current events...
I’m half human, on my mother’s side isn’t said numerous times, it’s said once (by the doctor), then later the master said “he’s half human” but that’s it
Another interesting plot point that wasn't really dropped, but not as explored as it would be today, the Watcher in Logopolis. This also is why in my head canon We should know exactly what the Doctor's fate is. The Watcher IS the Doctor who sacrifices himself to ensure the 4th regenerates into the 5th. His appearance is very much like the Master's from Deadly Assassin and Keeper of Trakken, and in Keeper we see the Master basically absorb Tremas to continue on. So my head canon is the Watcher is the Doctor at the end of his/her life, and instead of absorbing the Doctor, Master style, doing the reverse. Allowing him/herself to be absorbed by the 4th Doctor in order to give his regeneration the nudge it needs to over come the extent of his injuries.
I thought the Watcher's appearance echoed a scene from Terror Of The Autons from 1971, in which the Third Doctor, thinking he had captured the Master, pulled off a mask of Roger Delgado's face to reveal the blank white head of an Auton underneath. So it seemed as if there was a deliberate attempt to mislead the audience at first by making them think the Watcher was the Master, especially as the Fourth Doctor, while looking at the Watcher in the first episode of Logopolis, said "The Master".
I like to think that 12 was Merlin, given his appearance, temperament and the large amount of time he spent off screen as the Doctor and nonchalance towards using hyper advanced technology around historical figures.
I believe The Brain said, "A lie is just a truth that hasn't been repeated enough yet." The Doctor is known to lie. So him repeating that he's half human on his mother's side could simply be one of them. I have removed my POV regarding the woman because it's apparently on record that she's The Doctor's mother.
No. Fans at the time of The Brain of Morbius were absolutely discussing the implications, and there was a massive backlash in the fandom. That’s why it was laid to rest when they walked it back and brought in the regeneration limit. Hinchcliffe later said it wasn’t meant to be taken seriously and was done for a laugh and he later regretted it. Fandom back then put it down to them being Morbius’ incarnations or The Doctor faking them as Morbius was weakened or deranged. The Gormless Child rubbish will never be accepted by fans.
Actually it already has been accepted by fans if u know anything about the Cartmel Masterplan it’s basically the timeless child it’s accepted by fans that was something that was going to happen in 1990 with the foundation of it being laid out in the 1989 season most of the outrage is probably due to the fact that we didn’t except someone 31 years later would actually resurrect the idea and actually do it but chris chibnall being a classic era fan did it
10:00 Morbius Doctors: What you were witnessing was a mind wrestling match where the two opponents tore images from each other's minds. Not ALL the faces were from The Doctor, several were from Morbius' mind as well. hence the unfamiliar faces.
4:59 What would make a really good episode is where Earth Astronomists from RocketLab realise that Jupiter is gone and so the Doc and co have to try figure out something to keep all the massive asteroids from hitting earth because most o the apocalyptic ones are pulled into Jupiters orbit before they can reach earth. I would watch that.
So I could see Tennant skipping a regeneration with his severed hand that became the Meta-Crisis Doctor being a reason we didn't see the Valeyard and he chose to not have that regeneration, or that the Meta-Crisis Doctor somehow becomes the Valeyard in the future. Also, with how little we know about the Timeless Child before ending up of Gallifrey, it actually could be possible that they are Half Human.
IT HAS BEEN A WHILE BUT WHAT I SAY NOW MAY ANNOY PEOPLE WHAT IF THE DOCTOR IS AN ADVANCED HUMAN FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION/ REALITY (HENCE THE FONDNESS FOR EARTH AS WELL AS HIS FRIENDS) AND FROM A FUTURE WHERE HUMANITY HAS DEVELOPED STEM CELLS TO SOLVE CANCER AND SO ON. E NICE IF SOMETHING LIKE IT BECAME TRUE
I'm Half Human on my mothers side is also a reference to Mr. Spock from the original Star Trek Series. Remember his mother was Human and his father was Vulcan.
I always assumed that every time The Doctor went on one of their adventures the universe was subtly changed, quite literally rewriting history. Only The Doctor and other time sensitives seemed to be aware of these changes, hence the Daleks continually annoyed state, as their plans kept getting disrupted. Maybe also why the Time Lords allowed The Doctor to continue was that secretly they controlled the TARDIS, dropping The Doctor off at convenient nexus points. If you think about the Time Lords hijacking the transmat beam in Genesis of the Daleks, it was obvious they could track The Doctor very easily, even going as far as to deliberately separate them from the TARDIS to ensure their nefarious deeds were done.
The Time Lord: Victorious was one of the few threads in the new series that I wished had been/will be further explored somewhere down the line. I think we would all love to see what Tennant would do, once he's finally broken beyond the troublesome rules that he's followed for so long. It'd tie in perfectly with Smith's run down the road expounding on the "Good men have too many rules" lines.
The Doctor being president was cared about - especially as it was an integral part of many of the stories in which it was mentioned. Furthermore, his initial declining of the post and his later fleeing from the responsibility shows us exactly what sort of person the Doctor is and tells us about his character. I can remember it’s (albeit throwaway) mention in Trial Of A Timelord when it was broadcast with a small amount of excitement as I’d remembered him being made president earlier - and was a little disappointed that he had been deposed. So whilstfans who came to the show since 2005 might not care (I don’t know) many of us during the classic era did. It was certainly a bit odd that the Master seemed to survive certain death without explanation, to say that nobody cares is a bit strong. We all noticed it when we were watching and many fans did what fans do best - we sat there imagining ways, in our head-canon, how he could have survived. It was just a device to throw us off the scent in future episodes so that the Masters appearance was a bit of a surprise. They did something similar with Davros. It’s curious that this video mentions regenerations that were never shown - If we’d see Simm regenerate into Missy, it would have spoiled the big reveal, so there’s a good reason for that. We saw the emaciated Master turn into Anthony Ainley. We saw how the dead Master stole Eric Robert’s body in The TV movie. We got an explanation for how the Master was resurrected by the Timelords during the time war in The Sound Of Drums. We saw Jacobi regenerate into Simm. We didn’t see Anthony Ainley’s master come to an end, but then Anthony Ainley had partially retired by the time the TV movie came out and only did little jobs as and when he wanted to. He was also starting to look quite elderly by that time. To an extent we see Delgado’s regeneration, in as much as I always assumed that Peter Pratt’s Master was the same Master, with his face crispy fried and skeletal to disguise the fact that it wasn’t being played by Delgado. Although we don’t know this for certain, I always assumed this as he was wearing a jacket under his cloak that looked like the one worn by Delgado’s Master. There’s a damn good reason why we didn’t actually see Roger Delgado regenerate. Roger Delgado had died. I think we all care about that. The Timelord Victorious idea was, indeed, glossed over more than it deserved to be, but it wasn’t exactly dropped. When her returned in his next Christmas Special, the Doctor’s attitude was very crass and blasé. He made some comments that suggested he’d been gallivanting about behaving irresponsibly, perhaps trying to run away from what he was becoming. But I agree there was more that could have been made of this idea - but there just wasn’t enough time left to do it properly before his incarnation ended. The Doctor being Merlin? Who said nobody cared about this? I thought at the time that it was a wonderful idea. The fact that this was never followed up on isn’t an indication nobody cares. The fact that it was an idea expanded in other media rather suggests that people did care, don’t you think? The whole half-human thing was cared about. It enraged a fair few people at the time. To say that the whole Morbius issue meant nothing to the fans isn’t exactly true as it’s caused a fair bit of speculation between fans for decades. The Valeyard - a moment nobody cared about? What are you talking about? The character interested a lot of people at the time. The fact that he’s appeared in novels, Big Finish and has been mentioned in the show more recently suggest that people do care about this character, and a lot of people would like to see him back. The points raised in this video don’t really match the title, do they?
The doctor's daughter the 10th doctor remember he land on that planet and they took a skin sample and cloned them and made a female warrior version of him and at the end they thought she had died and the doctor left and she regenerated and took off in one of the ships and was going to go the long way around and have adventures
This was the thing I expected to see on this list, but didn't. I always thought the Doctor's Daughter could do with her own spin-off series. In my headcanon, she stows away with time pirates and eventually teams up with Dr Bracewell as a sort of Time Lord / Dalek team up, without either being aware of that history.
I really hate that certain things that are set up on the show (Time Lord Victorious, etc.) are only taken up in expanded media, which only have a tenuous continuity with the TV show.
Before all the timeless child stuff, my head cannon was that maybe Ace did become a time lady & went back in time to live on Gallifrey … where she fell in love. & just so happened to birth the doctor. Making him half human on his mother’s side.
If Ace became Time Lady ... wouldn't that actually change her physiology? You know, two hearts, 27 brains, stuff like that. So technically it wouldn't make the Doctor half human on his mother's side, because his mother at the time of the child's conception wouldn't be a human anymore.
I think a factor in The Flux was due to the change in episode count after COVID hit as it was meant to be twelve episodes but was changed for six due to what happened.
I cared quite a bit about the Valeyard. I thought that was a great idea that there was an evil version of the doctor. I always thought that was basically what the master was. He is quite a few regenerations ahead of the doctor. It wouldn't be unreasonable to think that he is just the evil version of another timelord that has found the power to further regenerate, but since it is on his evil version that personality carries to future ones.
I insist until proven otherwise that the half-human Doctor made from 10 and Donna Noble IS the Valeyard. And maybe Merlin since the Merlin legend has him coming from another universe.
As someone who grew up with 10 and 11, I don't really see the problem with exploring The Doctor's lineage. I may have gotten into the series too late to truly understand it but it feels kinda like people are over reacting with Jodie's Doctor. Though, this video does bring some interesting points about how muddled the lore is so maybe a clean wipe would do this show good but I'd rather it not.
The biggest mistake was the David Tennant episode "The Stolen Earth" when the whole world had to ring the Doctor with their phones, then when Matt smith took over nobody knew who The Doctor was again
The whole world ... actually just a bunch of people, a select few in fact, his former companions really did phone the number. The rest of the world was Mr. Smith hijacking every phone on Earth. So people still could have no idea, who the Doctor is. Most likely after the call, Mr. Smith hijacked them again to erase the last called number to protect the Doctor.
Two nit-picky comments (from a DOCTOR WHO fan?? Shocking!): the Doctor doesn't actually "return to Gallifrey" in "Trial of a Time Lord." The trial is on a space station and we never see Gallifrey. Also, one final mention of the Doctor's presidency in the original series: in "Remembrance of the Daleks," the Seventh Doctor describes himself as "President-Elect of the Council of Time Lords." I don't know if it's ever been revealed how he got there from being deposed in his sixth incarnation, but there you are.
Maybe since five when he fled Gallifrey at the end of the Five Doctors left Flavia in charge the ones that put him on trial didn't realize it (hence the president-elect title instead of just president).
Did anyone at What/Who Culture even watch the Paul McGann movie? One of the major plot points was the fact that the Doctor was half human. Early on, he'd determined that since he'd regenerated on earth (instead of inside the Tardis or on Gallifrey) surrounded by billions of humans, it had affected his regeneration, thereby making his new form half human. If I remember correctly (it's been such a long time for those of us who got here from 1996 by taking the long way), the Master had even thought the Doctor's eyes could be used to open the heart of the Tardis/Eye of Harmony, as Gallifreyan eyes couldn't, but turns out the Doctor's eyes were not human enough, and that's why the Master had to use Grace instead.
This is something that many people are confused about, with the Timeless Child. The Doctor now has unlimited regenerations. Unless Tectuan did something to them, they are not subject to the twelve regeneration limit of other Time Lords. It was nice of the Time Lords to provide the Doctor with additional regeneration energy, when 12 was dying, but he did not need it. He only believed he did, because he was not aware of his true nature. His body takes this excess energy, and uses it to destroy the Dalek fleet. 12 even makes a comment that this regeneration feels like it is going to to be “a big one”. This is all based on what has now been revealed, of course. At the time of writing, he absolutely needed the energy, because the Timeless Child was yet to be introduced. Looking at this, retroactively, this seems to make the most sense to me…
So this is just a guess.... But when they used the fob watch to lock away the Doctor's memories, they did so by putting them in the body of a regular Gallifreyan (kinda like how the Doctor used it to become human). I think the Doctor does currently have limited regenerations and will continue to have that limit until they open the fob watch and revert back to the Timeless Child
The Morbius bit would only have been a big deal if people remembered it by the next time Doctor was regenerating as 8 prior to him would have him number 12!
Great List, But....Facepalm! #10. He doesn't return to Gallifrey in Trial of a Timelord, It's a Space Station! And before you say anything, The Location of the Space Station is Unknown! #4. He only mentioned it once in the 1996 TV! Movie! It's not mentioned again..Ever. Honestly, If you're gonna be a Channel called "Who Culture", where you talk all things Doctor Who, you can atleast get it all right!
I also like the classic story idea titled (The Doctor Is Merlin) & I think it would be good to have it become another addition to the next new version of (DOCTOR WHO) show series.
THANK YOU for including two points I always think of in lists like this. I love both major series, of course, but I tend to favor the classic over NuWho. I won't say which points they are, don't wanna spoil it, but thanks again! FYI regarding Six and "The Trial of a Time Lord": It was Colin Baker who pointed out that the Doctor was the Lord President, and the writers were like, Oh yeah! so they had to have the bit where she tells him he'd been deposed.
Joe Martin isn't a pre-Hartnal Doctor seriously people stop saying that she is. She's the third doctor think about the numbering the 10th doctor never actually regenerated in the Stolen Earth. He used the regeneration energy to heal himself and then passed the energy on to his hand. It doesn't count as a regeneration and in the classic series Pertwie arrives on Earth in his TARDIS which isn't possible. The Time Lords in his trial said that he would loose all memory of the TARDIS and would be left on Earth stranded. If that was the case then how would he have it in his first appearance. Joe Martin is the third doctor she fits into the line up Jodie is the 14th not the 13th
Jo Martin is and will be in the future whatever the currentnwriters say she is. Think about it, as you say, it is an open question and an open question in the Whoniverse can have ANY answer. Did you expect the answers we got in "The Timeless Child"? I doubt it. Dr Who has and always be a mystery in Who The Doctor is, where The Doctor is going and what The Doctor will do next. QUIT SAYING THAT is an ignorant statement in the Whoniverse. EVERY TRUE Whovian knows..... we can say ANYTHING and it may become true.....
Future writers can retrospectively say whatever they want, but I am keen to find out how Joe Martin is pre-Hartnell Doctor when she is using a post-"Unearthly Child" (Ep2) TARDIS (exterior). Could the writers convince us the chameleon circuit got stuck before Hartnell ? As the same 1963 police box? Is That stretching credulity? I think it would be easier to write a convincing story where Joe Martin is a post-Hartnell Doctor. Or maybe its easier for some to believe she is not a Doctor at all? A degree of mystery is a good thing in a show with a implied question mark in the title, but it doesn't stop us trying to work out what is happening in this highly confusing era of Doctor Who.
@@garycullen7390 again they also said that his/her memory of the TARDIS would be kept from him. He showed up inside the machine the old comic is sorta canon but I think that the Joe Martin doctor is part of the original 13 it does make a huge bunch of sense if you really think about it
Flux (which I haven't seen, not complaining about spoilers just saying IDK specifics) sounds like the time the Master accidentally destroyed one quarter of the whole universe. Other than it taking out Traken, nobody cared after it happened. And the only reason they cared about Traken is because Nyssa was from there.
in real life events have consequences. Removing and undoing the consequences of events from works of fiction makes those works of fiction uninteresting. (Such as the Master's Death) It happens but we all know it will be ignored, so who cares? The problem with time travel fiction is that events can always be undone in some convoluted way. (i.e. the reboot of the entire universe in “The Pandorica Opens”) Eventually the audience loses interest and this is the root of Doctor Who's declining ratings. The concept of "fixed points in time" that can not be changed needs to be re-introduced. The TARDIS being a conscious being, it choses to take Doctor Who to points were time is not yet fixed and can either veer off into a disastrous future or keep moving forward towards some unspecified blissful end in which all secrets are revealed and all beings experience joy and enlightenment.
{1} You somehow point out the on-and-off situation between the Doctor and official status and power...yet somehow fail to understand that this is not what he wants. I'm not sure how you missed that. {2} The Master or any villain in Doctor Who will be dead until they are needed, and then a reason for their return given, if even flippantly. The answer is simple: There is an escape. It was difficult, but not insurmountable. The Master has literally gotten around actually BEING dead before. Why are you even surprised? {3} Wrong. The point of Donna and Clara and 13's face and all of that is to remind the Doctor to BE a doctor, not a victorious conqueror. Otherwise, you get an astronaut at Lake Silencio. There ARE consequences. If he goes too far, he might become the Valeyard, and he knows it. {4} Oh, you know very well that twelve minutes after that episode was resolved, the Doctor went off to be Merlin so he could make sure that it got where it was going. {5} Apparently, you do not understand the power of the Terry Nation Estate. In all serious, though, the Daleks have a net that the Doctor found it hard to get into. Why do you think that they wouldn't scour the universe for some information on this one guy that stepped out of their asylum, suddenly? What pay-off would you WANT? They'd still exterminate him! {6} The Doctor lies. :P {7} The Valeyard can still happen, or has already happened in a different body. You never know...
I have a suggestion idea for a story to introduce it’s called (The Survivors of Gallifrey) & I hope it gets added in the next new version of (DOCTOR WHO) show series someday.
The thing that Doctor Who did that bothers me the most was having John Hurt as the War Doctor. That should have been Paul McGann. They should not have brought in a different actor for one episode (plus 10 seconds each in another episode and a mini-episode).
WhatCulture should do a list of all the classic fiction characters that have turned out to be modern fictional characters (in universe). Like Merlin actually being The Doctor, or Sherlock Holmes being a favorite disguise of Mystique's
In the fourth episode of remembrance of the daleks the seventh Doctor does declare that he is the Lord president of gallifrey to the daleks.... He actually says... This is the Doctor, President Elect of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey. I call upon you to surrender the Hand of Omega and return to your customary time and place.
I just feel like reminding people that they retconned the half-human thing with the chameleon arch. He even used it to disguise himself as human and to escape some evil aliens in the early 1900s (and even fell in love with a woman there). I feel like this is a good in-universe explanation. The Timeless Child: How do I say this? No one will miss it if it gets retconned. The Master was lying. There, that's all you have to do. The "First Doctor" character can be a lab-created dupe programmed to deceive the Doctor, and even to believe she is real, but isn't.
What is so wrong about the doctor having a life before becoming the doctor it takes nothing away from william hartnell he can still be the first regeneration of the doctor cause he can be the first one to use the title people act like the character having a life before william hartnell is detrimental to the show or something but it’s not
The problem isn't that the doctor had lives before the first doctor but the doctor being this more special than alredy, Time Lord Jesus from another Dimension and foundation of Time Lord Socitety.
In the Doctor Who The Movie, the half human element plays an important plot role. The Master wants to activate some sort of device that will transfer the Doctor's remaining regenerations to the Master. However the Master needs a human, or half human eye scan to do so. The Doctor is restrained, so the Master has to use Grace (the surgeon who is a one off companion). Grace is possessed by the Master and the Doctor points out that Grace's eye can't be scanned while possessed (as her eyes are totally black). The Master releases Grace and then forces her eye against the scanner. Earlier in the movie, the Master notices that Chan's eye (the other one off companion) activates the device and he comments on it needing a human eye (the Master could not activate the device with his Time Lord/Gallifreyan eye).
The "half human" line was meant to explain his human eyes, since they idiotically gave the Master inhuman eyes! Well, if the Doctor is half human, so were Susan, Romana, the Rani; and...the Master!!
One issue with the Timeless Child story arc is the number of hearts the Shobogans, including Tecteun, had originally. Were they binary hearted or did they gain one when first becoming time Lords? If they had 2 hearts from birth, like the Doctor, an alien from who knows where, then that's very fortunate. It seems only Time Lords have this as no other race or species, humanoid in appearance, have a spare pump in other stories. Any suggestions?
It’s also one issue i have with the timeless child I pretty sure it states somewhere 2 hearts is part of the original Shobogans anatomy, the elite of gallifrey becoming Time Lords with the ability to regenerate and probably the child manage or was manipulated to regenerate with a gallifrean anatomy
IF YOU WATCH THE DOMINATORS FROM DOCTOR 2 'S ERA THE BAD GUYS SCAN PEOPLE TO SEE HOW MANY HEARTS THEY HAVE SO 2 HEARTS MIGHT BE MORE COMMON THAN JUST THE TIMELORDS
11th doctors era had an episode where they went to the plague World got split off from Amy etc but iirc the Species there had two hearts hence why Amy and Rory weren't affected by that disease but the doctor was and therefore stayed in the tardis
I was confused about the Flux too... like, are we just gonna ignore that russia was replaced by fricking sontar and that literally all of the universe except the vicinity of the milky way was completely deleted? They just kinda carried on and we have no idea what happened. A major military force and a good portion of earth's population being erased from history should make present day earth a totally different place. Why is this not elaborated on?
The Doctor is half/part human. The Meta Crisis Doctor is half human, the Seventh and Ninth Doctor's have human rib cages and the Eighth Doctor had human eyes
I am two years out of date for this response because I just saw it on MSN feed. I think no one cared that The Doctor shot The Commander with a gun to keep Clara from dying again. I felt The Doctor lost all sense of himself (using him since he was male in this incarnation).
Because of the Timeless Child Plot Twist The Valeyard cannot possibly exist. Because The Doctor has infinite regenerations and therefore cannot have a final regeneration to have the Valeyard exist within. Which makes the entire plot defunct. Unless the Valeyard is an alternate universe Doctor.
a) the doctor doesn’t have infinite regenerations. if you’d have paid attention, you’d know that ruth was captured, tortured and reset by the division. she was made into a boy with 12 regenerations, who grew up to be hartnell. the doctor CURRENTLY has as many regenerations as was gifted by the time lords in time of the doctor, which is suggested to be another round of 12. b) the valeyard exists between the 12th and final incarnation. that simply means that anywhere between the metacrisis doctor and the last doctor when the show is cancelled one day
@@william...1 The timeless Child has infinite regenerations that was damn near outright stated. Given it is a power the child had already I doubt that the time lords have any ability to limit it in The Doctor. They caught one of the PreHeartnell Doctor’s we don’t know which for sure. The Valeyard can literally not exist underneath the current lore thanks to the timeless child. As interesting as it would be to see a doctor vs evil Doctor fight he simply put cannot exist.
@@silverdragon3132 did you not read my comment? watch the episode again, you’ll see that it’s explained. the timelords literally reset Ruth by altering her DNA and robbing her of her memories
ACTUALLY THE TIMELORDS DO LIMIT REGENERATIONS TO 12 BUT CAN RESET IT AGAIN. IN THE OLD DAYS OF THE 80S PEOPLE CHEATED ON COMPUTER GAMES BY HACKING AND MODIFYING THE CODE OF A PROGRAM. THE TIMELORDS CAN DO THIS TO THE GENETIC CODE OF OTHERS TIMELORDS. IT WAS DONE WHEN 2 WAS EXILED TO EARTH AND FORCE REGERATED TO 3 AND WHEN 3 WAS DYING IN PLANET OF THE SPIDERS A TIMELORD GAVE THINGS A LITTLE PUSH TO TURN HIM TO 4. NOW IF THE TIMELORDS CAN ADD LIVES AS 11 TO 12 MAYBE THEY CAN IMPOSE A LIMIT EVEN ON SOMEONE WITH INFINITE LIVES TÒO. THIS MEANS WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LIVES THE DOCTOR HAS LEFT OR ANY OTHER TIMELORD EITHER
I'll add the Sandmen from "Sleep No More" (episode 9, season 9), where it was implied at the end that the signal triggering the transformation had been broadcast across the entire galaxy. That should have had huge implications.
A sequel was planed by the writer of "Sleep no more" but he instead wrote "The empress of mars", because it was his last episode an he wanted to write more about the Ice Wariors.
Speaking personally, it's not that I didn't care about the "half-human" throw off remark. I didn't care FOR it. It was trying to mold - very cheaply - our Doctor, who is alien, into a version of Mr. Spock. And all the Back to the Future clocks at the beginning, supposedly harking back to HG's The Time Machine back around 1960. The latter was a roll-the-eyes moment, the half-human - on his mother's side - referencing Amanda, Spock's mother. Not just eye-rolling! Annoying! Trek and Doctor Who crossovers can be amusing in themselves, but please, not the merging of one with the other for obvious reasons. Doctor Who shouldn't apologize for it's existance to anybody. It's a trying to be cute 'please like me' and in an older series - just - it sticks out like a sore tip that's needs ointment. better still, healing and forgetting. Like some bad jokes.
It’s just crazy, to me, that we ignore The Doctor claiming to be half human but take The Master’s word that The Valetard is the Doctor and that The Doctor is The Timeless child. How would The Valeyard NOT cease to exist if he had been successful at getting The Doctor’s remaining regenerations?
Half Human On His Mother's Side is still 10x the Backstory compared to the shit pile of The Timeless Child and actually explains a lot as to why he loves earth so much and why it feels like a second home to him... Yes because of the people he's met there but also because his mum came from there Simple But Effective
The Valeyard could've been the meta-crisis doctor. As soon as he appeared he committed genocide on the Daleks, which is what the War Doctor did and that could be interpreted as being his "darker side"
In the book 'The Companion's Companion", River Song discusses the Doctors, and when it comes to the eighth doctor she solves the human mother problem by saying; "This curly-haired chap lost his memory for a bit and went on about being part human. Maybe he had a conversation with a Time Lord, who put that thought in his head?" This does seem like a little bit of a copout for the movie's mistake.
Some random thoughts: time lord victorious: yeah, the whole thing being jammed into five minutes always bugged me. Hurts an otherwise good episode. Flux: shame covid messed with Jodi's era, as you can see something being built, but so much got chopped or rushed. Merlin: would have loved a season of the Doctor set in medieval earth, juggling history and aliens. Morbius Doctors: a cute throwaway idea that has caused more trouble than it's worth. Unless the Morbius Doctors are Peter Cushing, Richard E Grant and Jo Martin, I wish they'd drop the whole idea.
I always took the half human line as just the Doctor being cheeky.
I saw it as him making something up on the spot because Grace said he wanted to tell someone something
But later in the story, the Master discovered that the Doctor was half human and made reference to that.
❤❤ see that’s interesting I always thought that line was a joke !
The master saying it either confirms it or it's just some weird inside joke between the two
@@mikenash7049 he found human dna in his eye. That was probably a side effect of his surgery and being in a human hospital. Meaning the 8th Doctor was half human, but the other Doctors are not.
The Merlin bit is not ignored, it’s just not needed. Part of the Arthur legend is that merlin is born at the wrong end of time. As such he remembers the future but had no knowledge of the past. Battlefield is a sequel to the Arthurian legend and the Doctor as a time traveler fits in as Merlin. We don’t need a sequel (from the Doctor’s point of view) as we already have it on the form of the Arthur legend
With number 9, I like how Stephen Moffat described it in Death in Heaven:
"I particularly liked how they did this when Anthony Ainley was the Master back in the 80's. He would get killed, definitively at the end of every encounter with Peter Davison and Colin Baker. And would then turn up at the start of the next Master story with roughly this explanation; I escaped. Suits me, I'm fine with that. Super villains don't die do they."
As with the "I shall return" of Fu Manchu.
I know it’s not a popular opinion but I liked Ainley’s portrayal of Master in Logopolis and the plot was excellent , thoughtful, scientifically reasonably coherent (particularly in novelisation) and plenty of use of the horrific minutariser(sp?!)
Oh, and John Sim was super duper as the Master as well
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I believe the technical description is the Tissue Compression Eliminator.
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I mean if the doctor can come as close to death as he does on a weekly basis, i think its fair that his arch nemesis who is basically the evil version of him would do the same.
I've not been happy with Chris Chibnall being show runner. Which is really sad for Jodi Whitaker as she had done great with the steaming pile given to her. I really hope Davies can get the serious back on track and less convoluted.
finally someone who think the same 😭😭 I say that since episode 3-4 of the Chibnall era 😭 actually even during other show runners era the episodes of Chibnall as guest scenarist always have been my less favorites… Idk he’s just off beam on the mood and themes imo
the sad reality is Chris Chinballs can't write to save his life, every time I see him pop up on the first few seasons of NuWho I skip the episode, I do not know how he got anywhere near the head writers chair and should be shot if he's ever seen with a pen in his hand again
I think its a really silly thing to say time lord victorious was ignored. I thought they built on the doctors hubris pretty well in tennants finale
Exactly, especially with the scene in his finale with wilf where he says “I’ve done some things, I done some things and things went wrong *deep inhale*” and reflecting on that
I think in Time Lord Victorious, he was humbled by her killing herself, and he realized his mistake. I figured that Time Lord Victorious was meant to be a very short-lived moment where the doctor was put in his place by her death.
Capaldi's eyebrows in Day of the Doctor. No one cared that they'd just seen the 12th (13th) incarnation when in the very next episode 11 had no more regeneration left.
And in that next episode, the Doctor was given a new cycle.
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey. Having seen a future Doctor who couldn't exist play a part in saving Gallifrey, the Time Lords really had no option other than to grant the Doctor a new set of regenerations.
The time lords gave him more regeneration energy because of claras begging and telling them his name is the doctor the episode was called the time of the doctor
@@kurtisduke2685 Although it was all irrelevant in the end since it’s since been revealed in Season 12 that the Doctor had unlimited regenerations all along, or so they tell us.
The Valeyard as consequence of the Doctor Victorious would have fit so well together.
Actually, lots of people cared about the "Half Human" bit, and were offended by that.
It was only OK because it was ignored by subsequent writers.
Speaking as an American, the BBC needs to keep American writers well away from Doctor Who. There was no need to make DW the new Spock.
Many, including myself, don't really consider it to be a part of the series. The worst thing that came out of it is the Doctor kissing all the companions.
And remember the first rule, the Doctor always lies so could be one of those things he said to fit the situation or soothe the companions or even a distraction but it was settled since begining that he was a full timelord and it´s impossible to be a hybrid timelord-human. A bit like he says that Clara is his carer or says half true things because he sees past present future and all its variations at same time. The master has same defect and in general all timelords speak a bit like lying to us with the excuse that "could have happened"
Well suits for 11 because it´s a big boy XD
@@valiroime Speaking as an American and a Spock fan, the two couldn't be more different!
Time Lord victorious is pretty obvious, literally minutes after he has a premonition of his death, as he knows he is in his final days, which he is. However, you ignored the fact that the 12th Doctor acknowledged that the laws of time were his when he saved Ashildr.
Well yeah, the Doctor takes time into their own hands in most eras. But the Time Lord Victorious thing is very specific to Ten.
Oh my god can you imagine if Tennant comes back for a Time Lord Victorious miniseries in Russell’s new era, literal chills just thinking about it 👀
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Oh he may very well do that
Re: Morbius: It makes more sense from a story point of view, regardless of the writer's intentions, that those extra faces we see are Morbius' previous incarnations, as it shows the Doctor fighting back, and makes the fight a lot less one sided, as well as maintaining the narrative that Hartnell was the first.
They were taken by fans as being the Doctor. In his "What Has Happened to the Magic of 'Doctor Who'" review of "The Deadly Assassin", JVR criticised the idea that Time Lords only had 13 incarnations (up till then, they could live forever, barring accidents) by noting it made Tom Baker the penultimate Doctor.
@@GrahamPointer1972 *Some* fans. Others of us looked at the scene, essentially a psychic tug-of-war, and saw these unfamiliar faces as the Doctor regaining ground and the monitor now showing us Morbius' previous faces. Otherwise, the affair is wholly one-sided, Morbius is winning the whole time....so how did the Doctor survive this again?
@@GrahamPointer1972 not just the fans - the crew members who played the additional incarnations we're also told that they were playing earlier regenerations of the Doctor. So the writers thought Morbius showed earlier incarnations of the Doctor, and the actors thought Morbius showed earlier incarnations of the Doctor, and the fans thought Morbius showed earlier incarnations of the Doctor.
THE DOCTOR WORE MORBIUS OUT BY SHEER LUCK.
THE FACES WERE MEANT TO BE EARLIER DOCTORS.
WHAT EVERYONE FORGETS IS THAT THE LIMIT OF 12 REGENERATIIONS 13 LIVES WAS CREATED BY WRITER ROBERT HOLMES FOR THE DEADLY ASSASSIN AS A PLOT DEVICE AND BECAME LORE LATER.
13 IS ALSO A GOOD PICK AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE UNLUCKY
@@garycullen7390 Nah, don't buy it. It means the Doctor just stood there, did nothing, and took his beating like a little bitch. Not only makes the Doctor look bad, it's also bad writing. It makes more sense, as well as being more heroic and more in keeping with the overall continuity, that he's fighting back and we're seeing Morbius' earlier incarnations.
One thing that has been overlooked is the revelation of Timelords having symbiotic nuclei in the 2 Doctor's which is what allows them to time travel, similar to what happened with midi chlorines in Star Wars Phantom Menace.
Regarding "HALF HUMAN": it was leaned into and hinted at during Capaldi's HYBRID stories, especially HELL BENT.
Regarding the Valeyard: he was mentioned in THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR as being another name of The Doctor.
This is kind of a sad list, there's no time where anyone doesn't CARE about a plot point, it's just we're usually either hiding our heads in embarrassment or staring with open-mouthed horror at a revelation.
this ⬆️, is accurate
So... the Timeless Child then.
I always thought 8 saying he was half human on his mother’s side was a joke and that he was never being serious
It’s a major plot point that is central to The Master’s plan ……
I actually don’t mind it cause it’s never really touched upon where the timelords come from as a species cause there abilities like being able to regenerate come from the doctor but originally where do they come from for me it just tried to explain more about the timelords as a species other then the ability to regenerate
It explains why the Doctor has such an affinity for humans though that he doesn't reject or try to deny like Mr. Spock.
1: The Doctor Lies.
2: The Master Lies.
3: "Gallifrey Falls No More!"
As always thank you so very much for the video.
I'm just hoping and praying that the ENTIRE Jodie Whittaker Doctor is unwritten, forgotten about or completely replaced.
I mean, he literally tells Wilf he went too far........
My personal head-canon for the Valeyard is that he's the Metacrisis Doctor from Pete's World, who was driven mad with grief by the untimely death of Rose Tyler (cancer, car accident, whatever), awakening the part of the Great Intelligence that fled into him when it was chased out of The Doctor's timestream by Clara. He constructs a way to return to the prime universe to steal The Doctor's regenerations, fails, but is recruited by Division and becomes the Shalka Doctor (hence the resemblance to Doctor Simeon and why the Shalka Doctor complains about how "they" keep sending him places he doesn't want to go). The Shalka Valeyard gets unwritten by a crack caused by the 11th Doctor's exploding TARDIS but isn't remembered to be brought back when the universe is rebooted. Existing in Anti-Time, he then becomes part of Zagreus.
I mean, it's got more holes than a scarf that had been knitted by Madame Nostradarmus on an off day which has since been feasted upon by moth lavae, but it's only in my head. Unlike the Timeless Child, which Chibnall just couldn't keep to himself...
OR...
The Shalka Doctor ends up becoming the Fugitive Doctor eventually, and The Doctor isn't really The Timeless Child.
Susan is.
I'm with a lot of this, certainly in terms of where he comes from but I think it is as simple as that. In my head cannon there is a story we don't see where he manages to get back to our universe and injects himself into Gallifrey's past some how but is dying in the process so... Master Style he steals a body and becomes Valyard.
My personal theory is that the Dreamlord is the Valyard. He was revealed as the darker side of the Doctor and his appearance in Matt Smith's tenure fits in with him coming into existence during the Tennant/Smith regeneration.
There is a comic where that happened. But it was so badly written its not considered "canon."
@@markrogers6601 I wonder if that's where I got the idea... I haven't read it, but now you mention it I seem to remember someone telling me about it once and liking it as an idea.
They said the Valyard is between the 12th and final, that doesn't mean 13th, that means final regen so anytime after david tennent
I was really hoping to see 12 change into The Valeyard since Peter Capaldi first came into the role, ending his first enemy by allegedly pushing them to their death with a cold stare following. And with his line of '(Going) into darkness' and The Valeyard brought up in Name of The Doctor, I knew they didn't forget and he would be coming. But 12 regenerated into a woman without any dark side seeping out and I was left disappointed I was led on for years with nothing being done. And we never got anywhere close to that with Jodie Whittaker's portrayal as The Doctor. A pretty face with eyes holding worlds that burn would have been amazing.
Whittaker's Doctor doesn't have a hint of darkness and that's a HUGE problem.
But did he push the Half faced man down? He said he lied about one's basic programming. But he didn't say it's his programming, did he? The half android guy stopped trying to kill the Doctor, he was convinced to stop, talked into not continuing. So what if he actually did commit suicide? His purpose effectively ceased to exist. And he wanted to get to the Promissed Land (afterlife?) anyway. Perhaps he realised, that there's another way (or perhaps the only possible way) to reach it. It was still an android and it was calculating, so why not actually realising, that stuff might work in another way. That there is a way to reach its goal through "selfdestruct"?
The half-human thing is a plot point. When the Master sees that the Doctor has a human retinal print, he understands and uses Lee's eyes to open the Eye of Harmony. It could be argued, of course, that the 8th Doctor is indeed half-human and, sensing this, makes a seemingly throwaway comment about it in order to gain access to the berylium clock.
It is a dumb plot point though. Why would you have a lock that opens by a retina scan, but as long as it is the right species the lock says "close enough" and opens?!? There are more secure locks than that on electricity meters! And this is supposed to be the security for the eye of frickin' harmony!
@@markpostgate2551 As Doctor Who plot points go, is it any less ridiculous than beings that can only move via static electricity, unless they've got discs on their backs? "Dumb" plot points are par for the course with Doctor Who, I'd have said.
I wished 8th had more screen time. Paul was one of The Doctor's. Sahcha's version of The Master. He is down right evil and I love this incarnation of him.
I swear to god mention ‘The timeless children’ one more time 😆
Give it up with the "half human" thing. The Doctor lies a lot and this is one of them.
River did say it herself, the Doctor lies!
I was happy to accept it as a lie on the Doctors part. But then the Master confirmed the Doctor was half human later in the movie, doubling down on a silly idea.
I always thought that someone had been watching too much Star Trek when they wrote the TV movie. The chameleon circuit was referred to as a “cloaking device” and then we had the whole half-human thing. Mr Spock anyone?
Donna coming back is no coincidence. Don't be surprised if they make her his mother some how. Being half timelord now herself
The whole “the Doctor lies” argument doesn’t really work, considering the fact that the Master confirmed it, after analysing the inner workings of his eyes.
You could try to argue the Master lied too, but it’s a bit convenient for the Doctor to make up a story about him being half human, and then the Master just happens to do the exact same thing shortly after to someone else. Also, why would the Master lie? It doesn’t benefit him. Chang Lee knows nothing about the Doctor, so it makes no real sense for the Master to be like “oh, the Doctor’s half human!” to Lee, because it literally means nothing to him.
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Or they put false information into the eye of harmony.
Do people forget that the Doctor is a time traveller? (As is the Master...) How can you expect that the Master will be dead in following episodes, when you don't even know if it happened in the past or in the future of current events...
I’m half human, on my mother’s side isn’t said numerous times, it’s said once (by the doctor), then later the master said “he’s half human” but that’s it
Another interesting plot point that wasn't really dropped, but not as explored as it would be today, the Watcher in Logopolis. This also is why in my head canon We should know exactly what the Doctor's fate is. The Watcher IS the Doctor who sacrifices himself to ensure the 4th regenerates into the 5th. His appearance is very much like the Master's from Deadly Assassin and Keeper of Trakken, and in Keeper we see the Master basically absorb Tremas to continue on. So my head canon is the Watcher is the Doctor at the end of his/her life, and instead of absorbing the Doctor, Master style, doing the reverse. Allowing him/herself to be absorbed by the 4th Doctor in order to give his regeneration the nudge it needs to over come the extent of his injuries.
If I remember correctly, in Logopolis a sizeable chunk of the universe was also destroyed and that wasn't acknowledged in later episodes.
@@jwessel1969 Very true. That's how Trakken was lost. They also never even mention that this made Nissa the last of her species.
I thought the Watcher's appearance echoed a scene from Terror Of The Autons from 1971, in which the Third Doctor, thinking he had captured the Master, pulled off a mask of Roger Delgado's face to reveal the blank white head of an Auton underneath. So it seemed as if there was a deliberate attempt to mislead the audience at first by making them think the Watcher was the Master, especially as the Fourth Doctor, while looking at the Watcher in the first episode of Logopolis, said "The Master".
Regarding being Merlin. In the 'Husbands of River Song'. She says that when ever Merlin shews up. It's the Doctor. or such language.
I like to think that 12 was Merlin, given his appearance, temperament and the large amount of time he spent off screen as the Doctor and nonchalance towards using hyper advanced technology around historical figures.
I believe The Brain said, "A lie is just a truth that hasn't been repeated enough yet." The Doctor is known to lie. So him repeating that he's half human on his mother's side could simply be one of them.
I have removed my POV regarding the woman because it's apparently on record that she's The Doctor's mother.
No. Fans at the time of The Brain of Morbius were absolutely discussing the implications, and there was a massive backlash in the fandom. That’s why it was laid to rest when they walked it back and brought in the regeneration limit. Hinchcliffe later said it wasn’t meant to be taken seriously and was done for a laugh and he later regretted it. Fandom back then put it down to them being Morbius’ incarnations or The Doctor faking them as Morbius was weakened or deranged. The Gormless Child rubbish will never be accepted by fans.
Actually it already has been accepted by fans if u know anything about the Cartmel Masterplan it’s basically the timeless child it’s accepted by fans that was something that was going to happen in 1990 with the foundation of it being laid out in the 1989 season most of the outrage is probably due to the fact that we didn’t except someone 31 years later would actually resurrect the idea and actually do it but chris chibnall being a classic era fan did it
10:00 Morbius Doctors:
What you were witnessing was a mind wrestling match where the two opponents tore images from each other's minds. Not ALL the faces were from The Doctor, several were from Morbius' mind as well. hence the unfamiliar faces.
4:59 What would make a really good episode is where Earth Astronomists from RocketLab realise that Jupiter is gone and so the Doc and co have to try figure out something to keep all the massive asteroids from hitting earth because most o the apocalyptic ones are pulled into Jupiters orbit before they can reach earth. I would watch that.
So I could see Tennant skipping a regeneration with his severed hand that became the Meta-Crisis Doctor being a reason we didn't see the Valeyard and he chose to not have that regeneration, or that the Meta-Crisis Doctor somehow becomes the Valeyard in the future.
Also, with how little we know about the Timeless Child before ending up of Gallifrey, it actually could be possible that they are Half Human.
But he wouldn't know that.
IT HAS BEEN A WHILE BUT WHAT I SAY NOW MAY ANNOY PEOPLE WHAT IF THE DOCTOR IS AN ADVANCED HUMAN FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION/ REALITY (HENCE THE FONDNESS FOR EARTH AS WELL AS HIS FRIENDS) AND FROM A FUTURE WHERE HUMANITY HAS DEVELOPED STEM CELLS TO SOLVE CANCER AND SO ON. E NICE IF SOMETHING LIKE IT BECAME TRUE
I'm Half Human on my mothers side is also a reference to Mr. Spock from the original Star Trek Series. Remember his mother was Human and his father was Vulcan.
I always assumed that every time The Doctor went on one of their adventures the universe was subtly changed, quite literally rewriting history. Only The Doctor and other time sensitives seemed to be aware of these changes, hence the Daleks continually annoyed state, as their plans kept getting disrupted. Maybe also why the Time Lords allowed The Doctor to continue was that secretly they controlled the TARDIS, dropping The Doctor off at convenient nexus points. If you think about the Time Lords hijacking the transmat beam in Genesis of the Daleks, it was obvious they could track The Doctor very easily, even going as far as to deliberately separate them from the TARDIS to ensure their nefarious deeds were done.
The Time Lord: Victorious was one of the few threads in the new series that I wished had been/will be further explored somewhere down the line. I think we would all love to see what Tennant would do, once he's finally broken beyond the troublesome rules that he's followed for so long. It'd tie in perfectly with Smith's run down the road expounding on the "Good men have too many rules" lines.
The Doctor being president was cared about - especially as it was an integral part of many of the stories in which it was mentioned. Furthermore, his initial declining of the post and his later fleeing from the responsibility shows us exactly what sort of person the Doctor is and tells us about his character. I can remember it’s (albeit throwaway) mention in Trial Of A Timelord when it was broadcast with a small amount of excitement as I’d remembered him being made president earlier - and was a little disappointed that he had been deposed. So whilstfans who came to the show since 2005 might not care (I don’t know) many of us during the classic era did.
It was certainly a bit odd that the Master seemed to survive certain death without explanation, to say that nobody cares is a bit strong. We all noticed it when we were watching and many fans did what fans do best - we sat there imagining ways, in our head-canon, how he could have survived. It was just a device to throw us off the scent in future episodes so that the Masters appearance was a bit of a surprise. They did something similar with Davros.
It’s curious that this video mentions regenerations that were never shown - If we’d see Simm regenerate into Missy, it would have spoiled the big reveal, so there’s a good reason for that. We saw the emaciated Master turn into Anthony Ainley. We saw how the dead Master stole Eric Robert’s body in The TV movie. We got an explanation for how the Master was resurrected by the Timelords during the time war in The Sound Of Drums. We saw Jacobi regenerate into Simm. We didn’t see Anthony Ainley’s master come to an end, but then Anthony Ainley had partially retired by the time the TV movie came out and only did little jobs as and when he wanted to. He was also starting to look quite elderly by that time. To an extent we see Delgado’s regeneration, in as much as I always assumed that Peter Pratt’s Master was the same Master, with his face crispy fried and skeletal to disguise the fact that it wasn’t being played by Delgado. Although we don’t know this for certain, I always assumed this as he was wearing a jacket under his cloak that looked like the one worn by Delgado’s Master. There’s a damn good reason why we didn’t actually see Roger Delgado regenerate. Roger Delgado had died. I think we all care about that.
The Timelord Victorious idea was, indeed, glossed over more than it deserved to be, but it wasn’t exactly dropped. When her returned in his next Christmas Special, the Doctor’s attitude was very crass and blasé. He made some comments that suggested he’d been gallivanting about behaving irresponsibly, perhaps trying to run away from what he was becoming. But I agree there was more that could have been made of this idea - but there just wasn’t enough time left to do it properly before his incarnation ended.
The Doctor being Merlin? Who said nobody cared about this? I thought at the time that it was a wonderful idea. The fact that this was never followed up on isn’t an indication nobody cares. The fact that it was an idea expanded in other media rather suggests that people did care, don’t you think?
The whole half-human thing was cared about. It enraged a fair few people at the time.
To say that the whole Morbius issue meant nothing to the fans isn’t exactly true as it’s caused a fair bit of speculation between fans for decades.
The Valeyard - a moment nobody cared about? What are you talking about? The character interested a lot of people at the time. The fact that he’s appeared in novels, Big Finish and has been mentioned in the show more recently suggest that people do care about this character, and a lot of people would like to see him back.
The points raised in this video don’t really match the title, do they?
bro chill
@@trentblender3318 Maybe I don’t want to😝
The doctor's daughter the 10th doctor remember he land on that planet and they took a skin sample and cloned them and made a female warrior version of him and at the end they thought she had died and the doctor left and she regenerated and took off in one of the ships and was going to go the long way around and have adventures
A Doctor’s Daughter sequel episode would be awesome, especially seeing how their relationship would change with a female Doctor
This was the thing I expected to see on this list, but didn't. I always thought the Doctor's Daughter could do with her own spin-off series.
In my headcanon, she stows away with time pirates and eventually teams up with Dr Bracewell as a sort of Time Lord / Dalek team up, without either being aware of that history.
Thank you. This was the one I was expecting: Jenny, the Doctor's daughter goes off to have adventures...and just disappears.
She's only appeared in the expanded media (comics, audios, etc), unfortunately.
@@danthemeegs8751 "Hello, Mum!"
I really hate that certain things that are set up on the show (Time Lord Victorious, etc.) are only taken up in expanded media, which only have a tenuous continuity with the TV show.
There have been incidents of people who know the Doctor, saying that he/she tells lies. 😁❤️
"I'm half human, on my mother's side..."
Did you forget rule #1? The Doctor lies...
The flux reminds me of ‘crisis on infinite earths’ but with no sense
Before all the timeless child stuff, my head cannon was that maybe Ace did become a time lady & went back in time to live on Gallifrey … where she fell in love. & just so happened to birth the doctor. Making him half human on his mother’s side.
That's a better story than the Timeless Child Arc
@@thedelta4258 really funny considering the timeless child explains a lot of classic plot holes.
@@lunakingsley.7247 like what
If Ace became Time Lady ... wouldn't that actually change her physiology? You know, two hearts, 27 brains, stuff like that. So technically it wouldn't make the Doctor half human on his mother's side, because his mother at the time of the child's conception wouldn't be a human anymore.
I think a factor in The Flux was due to the change in episode count after COVID hit as it was meant to be twelve episodes but was changed for six due to what happened.
flux and the timeless child were the greatest missteps in who history.
Unless, of course, you are fortunate enough to possess a functioning brain, then you know none of what you ever write is even remotely true!
Time Lord Victorious*, actually.
That isnt canon none of the chambel era is.
@@itsnogame3822 common chinballs L
I cared quite a bit about the Valeyard. I thought that was a great idea that there was an evil version of the doctor. I always thought that was basically what the master was. He is quite a few regenerations ahead of the doctor. It wouldn't be unreasonable to think that he is just the evil version of another timelord that has found the power to further regenerate, but since it is on his evil version that personality carries to future ones.
I insist until proven otherwise that the half-human Doctor made from 10 and Donna Noble IS the Valeyard.
And maybe Merlin since the Merlin legend has him coming from another universe.
What about THE WATCHER? Appears at the transition from 4th to 5th Doctor then never again!
The Doctor getting a cloned daughter
Moffatt addresses the "half human" thing with Me at the end of the universe discussing the Hybrid.
As someone who grew up with 10 and 11, I don't really see the problem with exploring The Doctor's lineage. I may have gotten into the series too late to truly understand it but it feels kinda like people are over reacting with Jodie's Doctor.
Though, this video does bring some interesting points about how muddled the lore is so maybe a clean wipe would do this show good but I'd rather it not.
The biggest mistake was the David Tennant episode "The Stolen Earth" when the whole world had to ring the Doctor with their phones, then when Matt smith took over nobody knew who The Doctor was again
The whole world ... actually just a bunch of people, a select few in fact, his former companions really did phone the number. The rest of the world was Mr. Smith hijacking every phone on Earth. So people still could have no idea, who the Doctor is. Most likely after the call, Mr. Smith hijacked them again to erase the last called number to protect the Doctor.
Two nit-picky comments (from a DOCTOR WHO fan?? Shocking!): the Doctor doesn't actually "return to Gallifrey" in "Trial of a Time Lord." The trial is on a space station and we never see Gallifrey. Also, one final mention of the Doctor's presidency in the original series: in "Remembrance of the Daleks," the Seventh Doctor describes himself as "President-Elect of the Council of Time Lords." I don't know if it's ever been revealed how he got there from being deposed in his sixth incarnation, but there you are.
Maybe since five when he fled Gallifrey at the end of the Five Doctors left Flavia in charge the ones that put him on trial didn't realize it (hence the president-elect title instead of just president).
Did anyone at What/Who Culture even watch the Paul McGann movie? One of the major plot points was the fact that the Doctor was half human.
Early on, he'd determined that since he'd regenerated on earth (instead of inside the Tardis or on Gallifrey) surrounded by billions of humans, it had affected his regeneration, thereby making his new form half human.
If I remember correctly (it's been such a long time for those of us who got here from 1996 by taking the long way), the Master had even thought the Doctor's eyes could be used to open the heart of the Tardis/Eye of Harmony, as Gallifreyan eyes couldn't, but turns out the Doctor's eyes were not human enough, and that's why the Master had to use Grace instead.
This is something that many people are confused about, with the Timeless Child.
The Doctor now has unlimited regenerations. Unless Tectuan did something to them, they are not subject to the twelve regeneration limit of other Time Lords.
It was nice of the Time Lords to provide the Doctor with additional regeneration energy, when 12 was dying, but he did not need it. He only believed he did, because he was not aware of his true nature. His body takes this excess energy, and uses it to destroy the Dalek fleet. 12 even makes a comment that this regeneration feels like it is going to to be “a big one”.
This is all based on what has now been revealed, of course. At the time of writing, he absolutely needed the energy, because the Timeless Child was yet to be introduced. Looking at this, retroactively, this seems to make the most sense to me…
Based on this video, what if I said the doctor isn't the timeless child, "yet"?
So this is just a guess.... But when they used the fob watch to lock away the Doctor's memories, they did so by putting them in the body of a regular Gallifreyan (kinda like how the Doctor used it to become human).
I think the Doctor does currently have limited regenerations and will continue to have that limit until they open the fob watch and revert back to the Timeless Child
I think the main huge moment nobody cared about was all episodes under chris chibnal
if youd waited another couple years to make this video the timeless child would have been at the top of the list
Morbius Doctors? That’s just Matt Smith now, isn’t it?
It's morbin' time
The Morbius bit would only have been a big deal if people remembered it by the next time Doctor was regenerating as 8 prior to him would have him number 12!
Great List, But....Facepalm!
#10. He doesn't return to Gallifrey in Trial of a Timelord, It's a Space Station! And before you say anything, The Location of the Space Station is Unknown!
#4. He only mentioned it once in the 1996 TV! Movie! It's not mentioned again..Ever.
Honestly, If you're gonna be a Channel called "Who Culture", where you talk all things Doctor Who, you can atleast get it all right!
I also like the classic story idea titled (The Doctor Is Merlin) & I think it would be good to have it become another addition to the next new version of (DOCTOR WHO) show series.
THANK YOU for including two points I always think of in lists like this. I love both major series, of course, but I tend to favor the classic over NuWho. I won't say which points they are, don't wanna spoil it, but thanks again! FYI regarding Six and "The Trial of a Time Lord": It was Colin Baker who pointed out that the Doctor was the Lord President, and the writers were like, Oh yeah! so they had to have the bit where she tells him he'd been deposed.
Joe Martin isn't a pre-Hartnal Doctor seriously people stop saying that she is. She's the third doctor think about the numbering the 10th doctor never actually regenerated in the Stolen Earth. He used the regeneration energy to heal himself and then passed the energy on to his hand. It doesn't count as a regeneration and in the classic series Pertwie arrives on Earth in his TARDIS which isn't possible. The Time Lords in his trial said that he would loose all memory of the TARDIS and would be left on Earth stranded. If that was the case then how would he have it in his first appearance. Joe Martin is the third doctor she fits into the line up Jodie is the 14th not the 13th
Jo Martin is and will be in the future whatever the currentnwriters say she is. Think about it, as you say, it is an open question and an open question in the Whoniverse can have ANY answer. Did you expect the answers we got in "The Timeless Child"? I doubt it. Dr Who has and always be a mystery in Who The Doctor is, where The Doctor is going and what The Doctor will do next.
QUIT SAYING THAT is an ignorant statement in the Whoniverse.
EVERY TRUE Whovian knows..... we can say ANYTHING and it may become true.....
Solrac, that's only your interpretation. Other people have other theories.
Future writers can retrospectively say whatever they want, but I am keen to find out how Joe Martin is pre-Hartnell Doctor when she is using a post-"Unearthly Child" (Ep2) TARDIS (exterior). Could the writers convince us the chameleon circuit got stuck before Hartnell ? As the same 1963 police box? Is That stretching credulity? I think it would be easier to write a convincing story where Joe Martin is a post-Hartnell Doctor. Or maybe its easier for some to believe she is not a Doctor at all? A degree of mystery is a good thing in a show with a implied question mark in the title, but it doesn't stop us trying to work out what is happening in this highly confusing era of Doctor Who.
THE TIMELORDS SENT THE 3RD TO EARTH BY REMOTE CONTROL AND USE IT AGAIN IN SEVERAL STORES
@@garycullen7390 again they also said that his/her memory of the TARDIS would be kept from him. He showed up inside the machine the old comic is sorta canon but I think that the Joe Martin doctor is part of the original 13 it does make a huge bunch of sense if you really think about it
Flux (which I haven't seen, not complaining about spoilers just saying IDK specifics) sounds like the time the Master accidentally destroyed one quarter of the whole universe. Other than it taking out Traken, nobody cared after it happened. And the only reason they cared about Traken is because Nyssa was from there.
in real life events have consequences. Removing and undoing the consequences of events from works of fiction makes those works of fiction uninteresting. (Such as the Master's Death) It happens but we all know it will be ignored, so who cares? The problem with time travel fiction is that events can always be undone in some convoluted way. (i.e. the reboot of the entire universe in “The Pandorica Opens”) Eventually the audience loses interest and this is the root of Doctor Who's declining ratings. The concept of "fixed points in time" that can not be changed needs to be re-introduced. The TARDIS being a conscious being, it choses to take Doctor Who to points were time is not yet fixed and can either veer off into a disastrous future or keep moving forward towards some unspecified blissful end in which all secrets are revealed and all beings experience joy and enlightenment.
{1} You somehow point out the on-and-off situation between the Doctor and official status and power...yet somehow fail to understand that this is not what he wants. I'm not sure how you missed that.
{2} The Master or any villain in Doctor Who will be dead until they are needed, and then a reason for their return given, if even flippantly. The answer is simple: There is an escape. It was difficult, but not insurmountable. The Master has literally gotten around actually BEING dead before. Why are you even surprised?
{3} Wrong. The point of Donna and Clara and 13's face and all of that is to remind the Doctor to BE a doctor, not a victorious conqueror. Otherwise, you get an astronaut at Lake Silencio. There ARE consequences. If he goes too far, he might become the Valeyard, and he knows it.
{4} Oh, you know very well that twelve minutes after that episode was resolved, the Doctor went off to be Merlin so he could make sure that it got where it was going.
{5} Apparently, you do not understand the power of the Terry Nation Estate. In all serious, though, the Daleks have a net that the Doctor found it hard to get into. Why do you think that they wouldn't scour the universe for some information on this one guy that stepped out of their asylum, suddenly? What pay-off would you WANT? They'd still exterminate him!
{6} The Doctor lies. :P
{7} The Valeyard can still happen, or has already happened in a different body. You never know...
I have a suggestion idea for a story to introduce it’s called (The Survivors of Gallifrey) & I hope it gets added in the next new version of (DOCTOR WHO) show series someday.
Torchwood Miracle Day???
Yup, this was covered in a recent video!
Surely "The doctor lies:" covers the "I'm half human on my mother's side"...
As does lots of these things... 🤣
The thing that Doctor Who did that bothers me the most was having John Hurt as the War Doctor. That should have been Paul McGann. They should not have brought in a different actor for one episode (plus 10 seconds each in another episode and a mini-episode).
Hear that Evil Dan, Flux SUX!
WhatCulture should do a list of all the classic fiction characters that have turned out to be modern fictional characters (in universe). Like Merlin actually being The Doctor, or Sherlock Holmes being a favorite disguise of Mystique's
Time just gets rewritten
In the fourth episode of remembrance of the daleks the seventh Doctor does declare that he is the Lord president of gallifrey to the daleks....
He actually says...
This is the Doctor, President Elect of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey. I call upon you to surrender the Hand of Omega and return to your customary time and place.
I just feel like reminding people that they retconned the half-human thing with the chameleon arch. He even used it to disguise himself as human and to escape some evil aliens in the early 1900s (and even fell in love with a woman there). I feel like this is a good in-universe explanation. The Timeless Child: How do I say this? No one will miss it if it gets retconned. The Master was lying. There, that's all you have to do. The "First Doctor" character can be a lab-created dupe programmed to deceive the Doctor, and even to believe she is real, but isn't.
What is so wrong about the doctor having a life before becoming the doctor it takes nothing away from william hartnell he can still be the first regeneration of the doctor cause he can be the first one to use the title people act like the character having a life before william hartnell is detrimental to the show or something but it’s not
The problem isn't that the doctor had lives before the first doctor but the doctor being this more special than alredy, Time Lord Jesus from another Dimension and foundation of Time Lord Socitety.
In the Doctor Who The Movie, the half human element plays an important plot role. The Master wants to activate some sort of device that will transfer the Doctor's remaining regenerations to the Master. However the Master needs a human, or half human eye scan to do so. The Doctor is restrained, so the Master has to use Grace (the surgeon who is a one off companion). Grace is possessed by the Master and the Doctor points out that Grace's eye can't be scanned while possessed (as her eyes are totally black). The Master releases Grace and then forces her eye against the scanner. Earlier in the movie, the Master notices that Chan's eye (the other one off companion) activates the device and he comments on it needing a human eye (the Master could not activate the device with his Time Lord/Gallifreyan eye).
The "half human" line was meant to explain his human eyes, since they idiotically gave the Master inhuman eyes! Well, if the Doctor is half human, so were Susan, Romana, the Rani; and...the Master!!
what happen with the other time lords he can't be the only one ""law of averages""
One issue with the Timeless Child story arc is the number of hearts the Shobogans, including Tecteun, had originally. Were they binary hearted or did they gain one when first becoming time Lords? If they had 2 hearts from birth, like the Doctor, an alien from who knows where, then that's very fortunate. It seems only Time Lords have this as no other race or species, humanoid in appearance, have a spare pump in other stories. Any suggestions?
It’s also one issue i have with the timeless child
I pretty sure it states somewhere 2 hearts is part of the original Shobogans anatomy, the elite of gallifrey becoming Time Lords with the ability to regenerate and probably the child manage or was manipulated to regenerate with a gallifrean anatomy
@@keleston Good point. Whatever the narrative, there is a black hole in there!
Maybe they started with one but it evolved to two since in many different things species have to evolve to survive.
IF YOU WATCH THE DOMINATORS FROM DOCTOR 2 'S ERA THE BAD GUYS SCAN PEOPLE TO SEE HOW MANY HEARTS THEY HAVE SO 2 HEARTS MIGHT BE MORE COMMON THAN JUST THE TIMELORDS
11th doctors era had an episode where they went to the plague World got split off from Amy etc but iirc the Species there had two hearts hence why Amy and Rory weren't affected by that disease but the doctor was and therefore stayed in the tardis
I was confused about the Flux too... like, are we just gonna ignore that russia was replaced by fricking sontar and that literally all of the universe except the vicinity of the milky way was completely deleted? They just kinda carried on and we have no idea what happened. A major military force and a good portion of earth's population being erased from history should make present day earth a totally different place. Why is this not elaborated on?
Reckon you should of lumped the return of Gallifrey and the Timeless Child in one.
No one cares about that either
The Doctor is half/part human. The Meta Crisis Doctor is half human, the Seventh and Ninth Doctor's have human rib cages and the Eighth Doctor had human eyes
Timeless child sums this up perfectly: No proper fan recognises this as canon at all!
I am two years out of date for this response because I just saw it on MSN feed. I think no one cared that The Doctor shot The Commander with a gun to keep Clara from dying again. I felt The Doctor lost all sense of himself (using him since he was male in this incarnation).
Because of the Timeless Child Plot Twist The Valeyard cannot possibly exist. Because The Doctor has infinite regenerations and therefore cannot have a final regeneration to have the Valeyard exist within. Which makes the entire plot defunct. Unless the Valeyard is an alternate universe Doctor.
a) the doctor doesn’t have infinite regenerations. if you’d have paid attention, you’d know that ruth was captured, tortured and reset by the division. she was made into a boy with 12 regenerations, who grew up to be hartnell. the doctor CURRENTLY has as many regenerations as was gifted by the time lords in time of the doctor, which is suggested to be another round of 12.
b) the valeyard exists between the 12th and final incarnation. that simply means that anywhere between the metacrisis doctor and the last doctor when the show is cancelled one day
@@william...1 The timeless
Child has infinite regenerations that was damn near outright stated. Given it is a power the child had already I doubt that the time lords have any ability to limit it in The Doctor. They caught one of the PreHeartnell Doctor’s we don’t know which for sure. The Valeyard can literally not exist underneath the current lore thanks to the timeless child. As interesting as it would be to see a doctor vs evil Doctor fight he simply put cannot exist.
@@silverdragon3132 did you not read my comment? watch the episode again, you’ll see that it’s explained. the timelords literally reset Ruth by altering her DNA and robbing her of her memories
@@william...1 it said nothing about robbing her of the power. The Doctor as of this plot twist is something BBC can milk money out of forever.
ACTUALLY THE TIMELORDS DO LIMIT REGENERATIONS TO 12 BUT CAN RESET IT AGAIN. IN THE OLD DAYS OF THE 80S PEOPLE CHEATED ON COMPUTER GAMES BY HACKING AND MODIFYING THE CODE OF A PROGRAM. THE TIMELORDS CAN DO THIS TO THE GENETIC CODE OF OTHERS TIMELORDS. IT WAS DONE WHEN 2 WAS EXILED TO EARTH AND FORCE REGERATED TO 3 AND WHEN 3 WAS DYING IN PLANET OF THE SPIDERS A TIMELORD GAVE THINGS A LITTLE PUSH TO TURN HIM TO 4.
NOW IF THE TIMELORDS CAN ADD LIVES AS 11 TO 12 MAYBE THEY CAN IMPOSE A LIMIT EVEN ON SOMEONE WITH INFINITE LIVES TÒO.
THIS MEANS WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LIVES THE DOCTOR HAS LEFT OR ANY OTHER TIMELORD EITHER
The timeless child should be on this list.
Especially with RTD hitting the reset switch for season 14.
Is this still on?
I'll add the Sandmen from "Sleep No More" (episode 9, season 9), where it was implied at the end that the signal triggering the transformation had been broadcast across the entire galaxy. That should have had huge implications.
A sequel was planed by the writer of "Sleep no more" but he instead wrote "The empress of mars", because it was his last episode an he wanted to write more about the Ice Wariors.
Speaking personally, it's not that I didn't care about the "half-human" throw off remark. I didn't care FOR it. It was trying to mold - very cheaply - our Doctor, who is alien, into a version of Mr. Spock. And all the Back to the Future clocks at the beginning, supposedly harking back to HG's The Time Machine back around 1960. The latter was a roll-the-eyes moment, the half-human - on his mother's side - referencing Amanda, Spock's mother. Not just eye-rolling! Annoying! Trek and Doctor Who crossovers can be amusing in themselves, but please, not the merging of one with the other for obvious reasons. Doctor Who shouldn't apologize for it's existance to anybody. It's a trying to be cute 'please like me' and in an older series - just - it sticks out like a sore tip that's needs ointment. better still, healing and forgetting. Like some bad jokes.
It’s just crazy, to me, that we ignore The Doctor claiming to be half human but take The Master’s word that The Valetard is the Doctor and that The Doctor is The Timeless child. How would The Valeyard NOT cease to exist if he had been successful at getting The Doctor’s remaining regenerations?
The Valyard is Jo Martins Doctor... 👍
Half Human On His Mother's Side is still 10x the Backstory compared to the shit pile of The Timeless Child and actually explains a lot as to why he loves earth so much and why it feels like a second home to him... Yes because of the people he's met there but also because his mum came from there
Simple But Effective
The Valeyard could've been the meta-crisis doctor. As soon as he appeared he committed genocide on the Daleks, which is what the War Doctor did and that could be interpreted as being his "darker side"
I think the classic story idea titled (President Doctor) would be a good addition to the next new version of (DOCTOR WHO) show series.
In the book 'The Companion's Companion", River Song discusses the Doctors, and when it comes to the eighth doctor she solves the human mother problem by saying; "This curly-haired chap lost his memory for a bit and went on about being part human. Maybe he had a conversation with a Time Lord, who put that thought in his head?" This does seem like a little bit of a copout for the movie's mistake.
_The death of the Master, again_
And again, and again, and again, and again (lather, rinse, repeat)
Some random thoughts:
time lord victorious: yeah, the whole thing being jammed into five minutes always bugged me. Hurts an otherwise good episode.
Flux: shame covid messed with Jodi's era, as you can see something being built, but so much got chopped or rushed.
Merlin: would have loved a season of the Doctor set in medieval earth, juggling history and aliens.
Morbius Doctors: a cute throwaway idea that has caused more trouble than it's worth. Unless the Morbius Doctors are Peter Cushing, Richard E Grant and Jo Martin, I wish they'd drop the whole idea.