Marcel has said before that even though they're "bad" coasters that their stats relative to other rides are still pretty great, and still bring in a decent amount of guests/raise the guest cap. I don't believe it'd be too much of a challenge as fun as the idea sounds.
@@Polyrux That's true. I could probably beat every scenario with just the minisus, except obviously the ones that require you to build x different coaster types.
I know the Steeplechase isn’t great mechanically, but the history behind it, and the appearance, put it higher up for me. Throwing that in with a Virginia Reel nearby definitely makes the park feel more “vintage” to me. Honestly, a slow-ish Steeplechase is about the only coaster type that exists in RCT that I ever liked IRL. In fact, that and the Spiral Slide are the only rides I’ve ever enjoyed, other than a crooked or haunted house. If you ever need an example of a guest whose Intensity preference is 0, I’m it.
Honestly I'm pretty sensitive to G-forces too and it used to be even worse when I was younger as I'd reflexively tense my abdominal muscles which isn't conducive to avoiding nausea.
Of course it wouldn't be a Marcel video without him bashing on the heartline twister coaster. Honestly its stats are so bad that I didn't even know that OpenRCT2 actually buffed its excitement rating before this
It's a shame as I really want to like the heart line, I think it should be better. But then watching a video about the coasters that inspired the heart line, have convinced me it's deserved. I think it should have some kind of mechanic where if you pay extra to keep it maintained it stays as high as it can, but the longer it goes without maintainance the stats plummit quicker than other coasters, which would mimic the real world fate of these coasters.
The Heartline coaster was crap in real life as well. In America at least, I hear it was better in Japan, but Togo is defunct now anyway, so we won't be getting any more.
The fact that the Steeplechase and the Mini Suspended Coaster are so similar is even reflected in the German version of RCT1: their names translate to "Monorail Coaster" for the Steeplechase and "Inverted Monorail Coaster" for the Mini Suspended Coaster, respectively.
It's really weird that the Suspended Swinging Coaster doesn't have banked turns in the game considering the fact that only the original prototype: The first iteration of The Bat at Kings Island lacked them. And the lack of banked turns was widely attributed to the ride's failure (it caused excessive wear and tear on the track and trains, resulting in parts needing to be replaced almost daily).
I'd probably put the Inverted Impulse coaster a bit higher, as you can easily make a very compact design that has great stats. For bigger designs it's indeed a bit meh.
@Matthew Polsgrove Agreed, the coaster's strength is its very small horizontal footprint. It's infact about as compact as a heartline twister or reverse freefall, except it's an actual coaster.
The huge irony is that in real life, the Suspended Swinging Coaster is anything BUT nauseating. Most of the coasters at Six Flags: Magic Mountain can be hard on me if I don't eat right beforehand, but I've never had any issues riding the Ninja. The swinging cars cushion the lateral Gs, making the turns feel wider than they actually are. By contrast, you can really feel the intense lateral pressure on rides like Batman (Inverted Roller Coaster) and Tatsu (Flying Roller Coaster).
The other thing is that every IRL suspended swinging coaster that exists today _has_ banked turns. In fact the only one ever built that _didn't_ have banked turns was the original Bat at Kings Island, and that was likely one of the factors that led to it closing after only three years. (The current suspended swinging coaster at Kings Island--originally Top Gun, later Flight Deck, now named The Bat in tribute to the original--was built with the lessons learned from the original in mind, and does include banked turns.)
It's not the G's that do that (the nauseating feeling), it's the way the coaster moves, it always gives you that "void" feeling in your stomach and the body 1. hates it and 2. doesn't know how to handle it. It's kinda like the sick feeling you get if you suffer from bad vertigo but this lasts until you get off the coaster and then hangs around for a bit where as that sick feeling from vertigo can be remedied quite easily and quickly.
This'll probably never be seen, but. Thank you for doing a tierlist in this fashion. So many people go by tier, which kinda removes a lot of the suspense. "this is gonna be C tier, and this is why" The fact you placed in tier *after* talking about it is a lot more interesting to me.
Eight months later...I'll also say I really like the horizontal tiering. Most people just stick stuff on the end as they go through, this is almost like adding decimals to the tiers. High excitement tier, hier!
One thing I think the wooden wild mouse is good for is a compact design with great stats. I put one together in a Leafy Lake run. Just a small space cut into the hillside. Some tiny turns that barely avoid G penalties, and I wind up with a 6 excitement and 7 intensity ride.
I have a soft spot for the Virginia Reel and Steeplechase as I have been on them both at Blackpool. They seem pretty innocuous in RCT, but in real life they are/were seriously scary. The precarious nature of the Steeplechase, being high above a monorail track, which itself gets pretty high above the ground, is one thing, but when the track dips forward, the seat you are perched on moves forward more rapidly due to the lever effect, then pulls you backwards as the track levels out. And you’re sitting on a slippery seat, knees trying to grip the slippery sides of the horse and only a seatbelt is holding you in place. As for the Virginia Reel, I don’t think I’ve ever screamed as much in my life! It was a manic ride, getting faster and faster as you zigzag your way down the track. It’s only when you’re riding that you see the construction of the track itself and it looks so much like a homemade backyard coaster. The “straight” sections between the sharp turns were anything but, with numerous jerky adjustments to the direction of travel to line the tub up for the next turn. The twisting bowl of drops at the end, leading to the sudden drop into the tunnel was awesome. You then travelled all the way round the perimeter of the ride in a giant rectangle before emerging from the tunnel at the other end of the station. And the tubs themselves? Huge, heavy tubs. So heavy that you wonder how on Earth they can stay on the track. Eight people crammed in, holding on to the rail running behind you. Knees squished together in the middle. When taking a corner facing the outside of the turn, it was the squished knees that kept you in your seat. I’d love to see this ride make a comeback.
@@rubenvanbelzen1217 you can ride The Steeplechase at Blackpool Pleasure Beach, Lancashire, England. This park also housed the last Virginia Reel in the World until it was scrapped in the 1980’s. There is a kiddies park in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, which has a small kiddie ride that resembles the Virginia Reel, but it’s nothing like the original.
Would be curious if you have a ranking for "most fun to build"- a lot of the worst coasters are the most visually pleasing to me and are the best challenges, whereas I know I can just mess around and still crap out a good giga coaster.
I am going to sub for two reasons: - it is remarkable how much content you can produce with this "solved" game. Truly remarkable. - i greatly respect how you've made your own tier list ranking, and haven't adopted the Japanese S, A, B, etc. many streamers use it without even knowing the description od grades, let alone being consistent in grading. Kudos and keep up!
Would have been hilarious if he made an extra low ranking just for the heartline coaster, below the absolute trash tier (it's so sh!1, it deserves it's own tier).
Hey @Marcel, You should do a "random coaster" scenario, where you spin a wheel and randomly decide the coaster type whenever you want to build a coaster while trying to beat some scenario
@@johnfoltz8183 He has said in the past that a "terrible coaster only challenge" wouldn't be all that challenging, because even the worst coasters still have better stats than most flat rides.
I've always liked the Mine Train Coaster, as I've always thought it was one of the more unique and aesthetically pleasing (albeit requires a specific part design to work) coaster.
19:42 Can anyone else appreciate the "it ain't stupid if it works" of using oncoming cars to shunt stuck cars into the station. See the bottom of the screen with the 2 stuck cars on that curve.
12:30 Car goes backwards WITH PEOPLE IN IT, while another car is coming. Marcel: "I should probably put the ranking screen over the inevitable crash. XD"
I think the vertical drop coaster has to be my favorite, not just because it's functionally excellent and makes great money, but also because it's just a joy to build. You can often get more creative with the tracks than you think.
To be honest? As much as you rag on it, I do like building with the Mini Suspended Coaster all the same (especially when you've got big areas of pathway or riverbanks to glide over) and can be a pretty good Family Coaster when done right. Possibly my nostalgia for the one (Forest Flyer) in Katie's Dreamland talking, but I'm pretty fond of it despite the inherent flaws!
I think you forgot to mention that the wooden roller coaster has the most pre-built designs available, which definitely helps it rank a bit higher. The Mine Ride also is the only coaster to my knowledge that can't crash which makes it very beginner-friendly.
Speaking of high G's Theres is a swedish racing driver with the name Kenny Bräck. He crashed his indy car and The crash violence produced 214 G's. He survived the crash. 😬
now do a ranking for all these coaster types in real life! its crazy to me that as a kid, I didnt understand why there were all these different types (mostly just built every design as twister coaster), and now I've ridden most of these.
If this included OpenRCT2 additions, then the Hybrid Coaster would probably be in god tier. Its stats are insane and it's almost as hard to screw up as the Junior Coaster.
Great list, although I personally would have put the Twister Coaster above the Giga Coaster because the former has many more elements (and inversions). I especially appreciate how you presented the tracks by the vanilla/Classic game menu alphabetical order, as it reduces spoilers. The one inherent problem with these types of ranked lists is that, if one goes by worst to best, revealing the number 2 item spoils the number 1 item. I appreciate going by the game menu order for reducing spoilers for this reason. Alternatively, what I have seen done in the North American NHL Draft Lottery is that after revealing the number 3 item, they immediately reveal the number 1 item; it feels less spoiled to have number 2 being implicitly given away compared to number 1. TL;DR: any method of reducing spoilers in such ranked lists is something I always appreciate.
That's why I said that the giga coaster is "one of the best coaster types" and not "the best". I already knew it was gonna be at number one, but I didn't want to spoil it.
Because you asked: to judge based on usability alone, I think it would be really cool to see how many different types of design categories can be made and their different possible price points, i.e. thin coaster, small footprint coaster, maximized for money generation, the cheapest barely functioning coaster, maximized for high stats. You could take all these categories, make a cheap, medium, and expensive - but not expensive for the sake of it, you'd stop when it becomes unnecessary, so some may only have a cheap coaster (like the barely functioning category would only have 1). Then, you could sum up the total stats, throughput, and money generation for a certain coaster (including all categories and versions within) and compare each one to the total cost added up for that certain coaster (again, including all versions). Then, you'd have a really good picture of a coaster's actual usefulness, as you'd have a fairly objective number associated with each coaster. You could then include bonuses such as guest generation at this step, as all of the designs technically generate their respective guest amount. You could also tally the total number of designs, divide that by their total cost, and you'd have a number that you could weight each coaster type's usefulness - this could express their versatility. You could also calculate the average added park value per capital investment. You could also weight each category by how often they affect scenarios, as THEN, after you have a weighted, average usefulness number for each coaster calculated, you could recalculate literally every version of every coaster, and compare its average to each type, and you could set a cap for deviance, and exclude all bad designs that don't fall within that range of the average, recalculate the average, and you'd have a seriously good picture of what each coaster type would statistically be considered good or bad as, reward per capital investment, based on scenario play. tldr: calculate with statistics based on an objective sample of all possible and useful coaster designs, and weight it based on how many scenarios they could actually be considered useful in.
While not entirely related to RCT seeing all these coaster types brought to mind and made me want to mention my 2 favorite roller coasters I've ever ridden: those being the Iron Dragon (which is also the longest operating suspended coaster in the world) and The Beast (which itself holds the record for being the longest wooden roller coaster in the world to this day).
I honestly want to seen an OpenRCT2 based one with the three new types and all of the changes that have been made to the other coaster types. Really curious as to where the Hybrid, Single-Rail and Alpine Coaster types would fall.
alpine could be probably in the trash for scenario play, as it lose speed way quickly (but also depends on the feel, as the speed change in a very prounounced way), but at least it cannot crash into other trains. hybrid coaster is just a better version of the wooden coaster, but a bit more expensive, but it is still able whit the smaller price than a giga to actually entering the god like single rail roller coasters are just extremely good 12kmph steep chain lift and fairly high stats when used, same height as a cokscrew, but they definitly can be strong coaster as well, as they can be compact and look good
@@claudetheclaudeqc6600 The alpine coaster wasn't meant to be trash, although it isn't as good as the other additions. Its main strength is that it can have a pretty high excitement/intensity ratio, so it should be a good option for parks where guests prefer less intense rides. Capacity may be an issue but since it doesn't use blocks it can run a lot of cars (it is allowed more cars than fit in the station). It loses speed quickly because the cars are equipped with brakes. Each rider has their own preferences for how fast they prefer to go and when they will brake. This doesn't matter too much because the alpine coaster doesn't calculate G forces, the main determiner of the rating you get is the length of the track and the scenery bonus.
Oooh I'm very glad to see this! Love me some Marcel content, and a coaster tier list is excellent stuff! Side note, I'm so used to Marcel's voice that whenever I read his replies in the comments, I hear them in his voice. XD
I suspect that maybe Chris Sawyer himself rode a Pipeline coaster (Heartline in real life) and hated it so much that he made it the worst coaster type in the game.
Now I wanna see what the rankings are when you add OpenRCT to the mix. I bet there will be quite a few changes, but do any of the coasters get worse in OpenRCT or do they all get a little better (or at least stay in the same tier)?
The only significant change in the lower tiers is accounting for the Excitement buff for the Heartline. Otherwise it's nothing but the rich getting richer, as most of the OpenRCT2 additions were to the already good coaster types.
Information kiosk/souvenir stall god tier because guest will pay any price for umbrellas when it's raining. Cash machine god tier as it means guest will stay in your park and keep spending money. Fries also god teir because they make guest thirsty so that they then buy a drink. Balloon is also god tier because guest will eventually loose their balloon and then go buy another balloon. Also they let go of their balloons when you win a scenario which both looks cool and it means everyone will go and buy a new balloon.
@@MrGhosta5 Cash machine is either GOD tier or DOG tier depending on the scenario. It'd be so impossible to place it so i'm not sure how you'd do it honestly (Scenarios with pay on entry enabled).
@@MrGhosta5 First aid stations would also be God tier as they help reduce guest nausea while not curbing their hunger, so they’ll still buy food and they won’t puke so much. Fries also seem to sell for a high amount while having a low stock cost, so they have a great profit margin.
Two that would be pretty low are ice cream and pizza. Ice cream because people won't buy it at all if it is raining or too cold, and the profit you can make with it is minimal unless you are in a hot desert scenario. Pizza because it satisfies both hunger and thirst.
I remember making a table of track piece and general stats on a per coaster basis because I had a hunch that the minetrain coaster was the most mediocre (in the meaning of average) in the game. And indeed, it had access to only the most common track pieces (track peices that at least half the coasters had access to) and none of the less common ones. Its support limit and its chain lfit speed were also beyond average. I still love that thing though because of how good it works thematically.
That was quiet the rollercoaster of a list (pun intended ;). And for someone as me, who mostly played RCT1, I didn't know so many new coaster types where added in RCT2.
I would place the reverse freefall coaster into the "Just Bad" category, not just for the lack of variety but the abysmal throughput. However, i'd place the reverser coaster a bit higher, maybe as last of the "meh" category, as with long stations you can indeed achieve a good throughput of 2.5k guests per hour. I do agree with placing the inverted impulse a bit higher as well...
I am surprised how well my picks from basically 20 years ago align with your decisions. Was a crazy time back then with almost no platforms like YT to exchange interest in this game at this level.
Surprised that the Steeple Chase and Mini Suspended Coaster were below the Heartline Twister. I've built a few of them without remembering how terrible they are and they're still... functional. The Heartline Twister is really one that you don't want to build under any circumstances, unless you're doing a challenge run.
The Heartline can have a much higher throughput than either of those rides so it make much more money. It can also have a smaller microdesign as it has no minimum length requirement.
@@epicsmurfyzz The boost for synchronization is only slightly higher for the Steeplechase than for other coaster types, so it doesn't make a very big difference.
I really appreciate this comment and conversation. I thought the same thing of "Gee, the heartline sucks SO bad. HOW is it not THE lowest?" The explanation makes sense, but my disdain for it still has it #1 worst in my heart.
I actually like building with the Mini coaster even though it's pretty bad. Just got to make the course tighter to compensate for the lightweight cars and rockets. It can look cool too with the right scenery.
Wooden Wild Mouse is one of my favorite coasters. It has pretty good stats, is pretty cheap, and can fit almost anywhere. A design I saved recently is 3x30, costs $2,174, and has stats of 6.80/8.80/4.80. If it weren't for the entrance and exit buildings, it would be 2x30. I would've put that higher on the list, but otherwise I agree with your list.
I see 3 of the easiest being in both the worst and best Forest Frontiers is a great rct1 start the 2 other easiest are from the expantion packs of rct2
Thanks Marcel! I always enjoy your videos! I agree with your list except I’d place the twister coaster ahead of the Giga for its great inversions and, I’d move the looping coaster to God like because it’s fairly cheap to build but gets great stats with it’s simple yet fun design!
So Chris Sawyer: - likes B&M - _hates_ Togo - recognizes the inferiority of Arrow Dynamics' coasters, as well as the Vekoma coasters that use Arrow's track design (I believe that design is what makes Arrow coasters inferior) - thinks *JUNIOR* coasters are intense - didn't think about possible cheese
I gotta be honest Marcel, this is a very good tier list. I feel that there's no arguing possible to move any coaster more one category over. I believe that many players, that play the game from an aesthetics point of view, would still agree with your tier list since many of the lower tiered rollercoasters are quite limiting to build with.😊
You're feeling wrong, because many people have already argued for things to be different. Also, for aesthetics this list is definitely wrong. For example, the Bobsleigh coaster is great as a terrain coaster going down a mountain, but you don't see that in this list.
I personally would've ranked the Steel Wild Mouse much lower... but that's only because it's INCREDIBLY prone to crashing. Perhaps my designs just suck, but I can't tell you how many times I've had to completely redesign the track just to avoid a plummeting park rating due to a crash... I've found that including brakes right before the station is critical to avoid that, but even then, you basically can't have a hill that it barely makes, or else sometimes it will just rollback and crash. Any hill that it goes over less than 10 mph is basically a recipe for a crash later.... Compare this to the Wooden Wild Mouse, which CAN'T crash unless you really don't design the hills right, and I feel it's a bit better.
Excellent video! Since you have all the coaster status and rules mapped, I'd recommend you apply the Analytical Hierarchy Process (maybe the Gaussian approach). In this comparison, every coaster will be compared pairwise in a way that the rank will not be influenced by your opinion (which is an awesome opinion btw)
I guess the giga has to be a #1 because every "highest possible excitement" video I've seen is usually gigas. The ratios it gets is kind of unfair, it's almost broken except it doesn't get inversions. I do think people should reconsider the vertical coaster though because it's throughput is the highest, I've found it very easy to get compact designs, and it's stats are fantastic, i personally find it the most easy steel type coaster to work with for the value.
I agree with the 3 god tier coasters, but I would swap the giga coaster for the wooden coaster due to the fact that the aesthetics of the wooden look so much better.
I personally prefer the twister coaster more than the giga coaster for two reasons - I find it easier to build a smaller, less expensive ride with good stats with the twister than the giga, and because on the like two scenarios your guests want really high intensity rides, I find it hard to get the giga coaster's intensity high enough - Having to go in and unbank turns to hit the intensity. As for the wooden coaster, in vanilla, I find it even more useful IMHO because the water splash acts as a brake that never breaks down - when you don't have block brakes its the easiest way to prevent crashes.
You know what. Marcel does challenge runs all the time in this game trying to beat scenarios using only stalls or one ride or something. I wanna see him beat some of the hard scenarios with hard stats to hit using nothing but the coasters types on the low end of the spectrum
This basically explains why when I create a custom scenario I included many years suspended coaster in the park to avoid any temptation for the player to Avalon
Anyone else have the problem I have that some of the worst coasters are my favorite to build? The wooden reverser and mini in particular, I just like how they look
@@MarcelVos Those are the same two types I can't get away from. Whenever they are available I build them. Even when much better options exist. The standup coaster feels like it has tons of potential if you can just keep the intensity in check. And the side friction is just so charming.
Personally, I would put the reverse freefall coaster a little higher on the list. Between its stats and short ride time, it can be pretty good at making money. And its linear design makes it easier to fit into most parks, especially ones that are already filled up with other rides.
The mini suspended coaster was one of the first coasters I tried building my own custom design for, and I had to give up because I could not for the life of me manage to get it to make it through the entire circuit during testing lol. It was so light and slow it valleyed at practically every slight hill.
Only gripe: I would put the Water Coaster at the high end of "A bit meh" category because a small design with a good station still has reasonably high stats, throughput, and thus is a decent money-maker. No Water Coaster in real life is as big as the one in Sunny Swamps, and they're not meant to be; scale it down to a junior that requires a water splash element and it's kind of versatile. Also: photo section for extra money.
Do you think you will ever do ride overviews of the other rollercoasters? Flying, laydown, watercoaster, cerebrus and TGV train. I love all your videos and would highly enjoy these ride overviews
These are just re-skins of the coasters they are based on, with identical stats except for maybe a small vehicle boost. Otherwise, they function exactly the same. OpenRCT2 helpfully just merges them into the base coasters.
The multi-dimension coaster is much better than you give it credit for. Yes, it is expensive, but getting a "very-high" in the excitement rating department is pretty easy to achieve. Whereas with coasters ranked above, you either need to abuse the scenery, or build a long design. The bobsled for example (and it's much trickier to work with). Still, an awesome satisfying video!
Problem is, it costs a fortune, gives you few different elements to work with, and it would still perform at the same level as other coasters would reach much more easily.
I know OpenRCT is always changing, but what if you made the same tier list using Open? I'm sure if you polled how many play Vanilla v. Open, most of us play OpenRCT
Drinking game: Take a shot every time I say "This coaster is the [something most extreme] in the game".
Planning for my next holiday to Japan to go into the real Hardline Twistercoaster really looking forward to it !
From "drowning guests in lakes"
to "drowning viewers in booze".
4:40 ok I'm drunk now 😵💫
Hangover, here I come
this coaster is the most coastering coaster in the world!
I'd like to see you complete a park challenge with the 5 worst coasters that you can reasonably use.
Heartline Twisters for all!!!
Marcel has said before that even though they're "bad" coasters that their stats relative to other rides are still pretty great, and still bring in a decent amount of guests/raise the guest cap. I don't believe it'd be too much of a challenge as fun as the idea sounds.
@@Polyrux That's true. I could probably beat every scenario with just the minisus, except obviously the ones that require you to build x different coaster types.
A coaster building scenario with the 10 worst types
Heart line, the 3 inverted swinging coasters, and the single-car bobsleigh coaster
I know the Steeplechase isn’t great mechanically, but the history behind it, and the appearance, put it higher up for me. Throwing that in with a Virginia Reel nearby definitely makes the park feel more “vintage” to me. Honestly, a slow-ish Steeplechase is about the only coaster type that exists in RCT that I ever liked IRL. In fact, that and the Spiral Slide are the only rides I’ve ever enjoyed, other than a crooked or haunted house. If you ever need an example of a guest whose Intensity preference is 0, I’m it.
Honestly I'm pretty sensitive to G-forces too and it used to be even worse when I was younger as I'd reflexively tense my abdominal muscles which isn't conducive to avoiding nausea.
oh man I was SO excited the first time I saw a spiral slide in real life. All thanks to rct
Hard agree with this comment, I'm pretty much the same with rides IRL. I'm also a 0 intensity guest lol
Me, I’m a high intensity guest, but I can’t stand anything that goes higher than I can jump.
Well well well, using terraforming, i made an intense steeplechase! Maybe you should change your opinion... 😉😝
Of course it wouldn't be a Marcel video without him bashing on the heartline twister coaster. Honestly its stats are so bad that I didn't even know that OpenRCT2 actually buffed its excitement rating before this
The buff only happened last year, so for a long time it was the same in Open as in vanilla.
@@MarcelVos oh well that explains it
It's a shame as I really want to like the heart line, I think it should be better.
But then watching a video about the coasters that inspired the heart line, have convinced me it's deserved.
I think it should have some kind of mechanic where if you pay extra to keep it maintained it stays as high as it can, but the longer it goes without maintainance the stats plummit quicker than other coasters, which would mimic the real world fate of these coasters.
I didn't even know that was a buffed excitement rating until Marcel said so.
The Heartline coaster was crap in real life as well. In America at least, I hear it was better in Japan, but Togo is defunct now anyway, so we won't be getting any more.
The fact that the Steeplechase and the Mini Suspended Coaster are so similar is even reflected in the German version of RCT1: their names translate to "Monorail Coaster" for the Steeplechase and "Inverted Monorail Coaster" for the Mini Suspended Coaster, respectively.
You can see this in the Portuguese version as well.
It's really weird that the Suspended Swinging Coaster doesn't have banked turns in the game considering the fact that only the original prototype: The first iteration of The Bat at Kings Island lacked them. And the lack of banked turns was widely attributed to the ride's failure (it caused excessive wear and tear on the track and trains, resulting in parts needing to be replaced almost daily).
I'd probably put the Inverted Impulse coaster a bit higher, as you can easily make a very compact design that has great stats. For bigger designs it's indeed a bit meh.
You're not the only one who's made a case for the Inverted Impulse Coaster. I don't build it a lot which is probably why I underestimated it.
@Matthew Polsgrove Agreed, the coaster's strength is its very small horizontal footprint. It's infact about as compact as a heartline twister or reverse freefall, except it's an actual coaster.
@Matthew Polsgrove that's what I always do too. Love it when I luck into doing the smart thing on accident 😂
You can build a micro design that takes up about as much space as the micro corkscrew, with better stats, but cost a bit more to build.
@@Game_InSky Yep, and its throughput is somewhat quintupled at minimum.
The huge irony is that in real life, the Suspended Swinging Coaster is anything BUT nauseating. Most of the coasters at Six Flags: Magic Mountain can be hard on me if I don't eat right beforehand, but I've never had any issues riding the Ninja. The swinging cars cushion the lateral Gs, making the turns feel wider than they actually are. By contrast, you can really feel the intense lateral pressure on rides like Batman (Inverted Roller Coaster) and Tatsu (Flying Roller Coaster).
The other thing is that every IRL suspended swinging coaster that exists today _has_ banked turns. In fact the only one ever built that _didn't_ have banked turns was the original Bat at Kings Island, and that was likely one of the factors that led to it closing after only three years. (The current suspended swinging coaster at Kings Island--originally Top Gun, later Flight Deck, now named The Bat in tribute to the original--was built with the lessons learned from the original in mind, and does include banked turns.)
It's not the G's that do that (the nauseating feeling), it's the way the coaster moves, it always gives you that "void" feeling in your stomach and the body 1. hates it and 2. doesn't know how to handle it. It's kinda like the sick feeling you get if you suffer from bad vertigo but this lasts until you get off the coaster and then hangs around for a bit where as that sick feeling from vertigo can be remedied quite easily and quickly.
This'll probably never be seen, but.
Thank you for doing a tierlist in this fashion.
So many people go by tier, which kinda removes a lot of the suspense. "this is gonna be C tier, and this is why"
The fact you placed in tier *after* talking about it is a lot more interesting to me.
It will be seen! Thank you for your kind words.
@@MarcelVos “Your video has received an award for having the best formatting in the country!” 🏆
Eight months later...I'll also say I really like the horizontal tiering. Most people just stick stuff on the end as they go through, this is almost like adding decimals to the tiers. High excitement tier, hier!
One thing I think the wooden wild mouse is good for is a compact design with great stats. I put one together in a Leafy Lake run. Just a small space cut into the hillside. Some tiny turns that barely avoid G penalties, and I wind up with a 6 excitement and 7 intensity ride.
I have a soft spot for the Virginia Reel and Steeplechase as I have been on them both at Blackpool. They seem pretty innocuous in RCT, but in real life they are/were seriously scary. The precarious nature of the Steeplechase, being high above a monorail track, which itself gets pretty high above the ground, is one thing, but when the track dips forward, the seat you are perched on moves forward more rapidly due to the lever effect, then pulls you backwards as the track levels out. And you’re sitting on a slippery seat, knees trying to grip the slippery sides of the horse and only a seatbelt is holding you in place. As for the Virginia Reel, I don’t think I’ve ever screamed as much in my life! It was a manic ride, getting faster and faster as you zigzag your way down the track. It’s only when you’re riding that you see the construction of the track itself and it looks so much like a homemade backyard coaster. The “straight” sections between the sharp turns were anything but, with numerous jerky adjustments to the direction of travel to line the tub up for the next turn. The twisting bowl of drops at the end, leading to the sudden drop into the tunnel was awesome. You then travelled all the way round the perimeter of the ride in a giant rectangle before emerging from the tunnel at the other end of the station. And the tubs themselves? Huge, heavy tubs. So heavy that you wonder how on Earth they can stay on the track. Eight people crammed in, holding on to the rail running behind you. Knees squished together in the middle. When taking a corner facing the outside of the turn, it was the squished knees that kept you in your seat. I’d love to see this ride make a comeback.
What an amazing description of the two rides! I want to go on them pretty badly, but I don't know if they are still around
@@rubenvanbelzen1217 you can ride The Steeplechase at Blackpool Pleasure Beach, Lancashire, England. This park also housed the last Virginia Reel in the World until it was scrapped in the 1980’s. There is a kiddies park in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, which has a small kiddie ride that resembles the Virginia Reel, but it’s nothing like the original.
Would be curious if you have a ranking for "most fun to build"- a lot of the worst coasters are the most visually pleasing to me and are the best challenges, whereas I know I can just mess around and still crap out a good giga coaster.
A week without Marcel is like a week withou Sunday. Welcome back dude!
I am going to sub for two reasons:
- it is remarkable how much content you can produce with this "solved" game. Truly remarkable.
- i greatly respect how you've made your own tier list ranking, and haven't adopted the Japanese S, A, B, etc. many streamers use it without even knowing the description od grades, let alone being consistent in grading.
Kudos and keep up!
Would have been hilarious if he made an extra low ranking just for the heartline coaster, below the absolute trash tier (it's so sh!1, it deserves it's own tier).
Hey @Marcel, You should do a "random coaster" scenario, where you spin a wheel and randomly decide the coaster type whenever you want to build a coaster while trying to beat some scenario
Heartline Coaster only challenge
@@johnfoltz8183 He has said in the past that a "terrible coaster only challenge" wouldn't be all that challenging, because even the worst coasters still have better stats than most flat rides.
I've always liked the Mine Train Coaster, as I've always thought it was one of the more unique and aesthetically pleasing (albeit requires a specific part design to work) coaster.
19:42 Can anyone else appreciate the "it ain't stupid if it works" of using oncoming cars to shunt stuck cars into the station. See the bottom of the screen with the 2 stuck cars on that curve.
Excellent catch! 😂 Good thing it ain’t the Virginia Dingy! 💥
12:30 Car goes backwards WITH PEOPLE IN IT, while another car is coming.
Marcel: "I should probably put the ranking screen over the inevitable crash. XD"
Relaxing background music, enjoyable Dutch accent, pleasant RCT footage... oh yeah, it's Marcel time!
I think the vertical drop coaster has to be my favorite, not just because it's functionally excellent and makes great money, but also because it's just a joy to build. You can often get more creative with the tracks than you think.
I'd like to see a video where you adjust the rankings based on OpenRCT2 changes.
To be honest? As much as you rag on it, I do like building with the Mini Suspended Coaster all the same (especially when you've got big areas of pathway or riverbanks to glide over) and can be a pretty good Family Coaster when done right. Possibly my nostalgia for the one (Forest Flyer) in Katie's Dreamland talking, but I'm pretty fond of it despite the inherent flaws!
I think you forgot to mention that the wooden roller coaster has the most pre-built designs available, which definitely helps it rank a bit higher. The Mine Ride also is the only coaster to my knowledge that can't crash which makes it very beginner-friendly.
IMO, prebuilt designs are a nice bonus but shouldn't actually change any rankings.
never used a prebuilt even one single time
@@hand13932 Even the looping coaster with the launch, loop and some track?
I usually use pre-builts when playing RCT classic on mobile because I hate building coasters on mobile.
Nope, I saw one crash in a multiplayer server once (no cheats to have a ridiculous amount of trains)
Speaking of high G's
Theres is a swedish racing driver with the name Kenny Bräck. He crashed his indy car and The crash violence produced 214 G's. He survived the crash. 😬
now do a ranking for all these coaster types in real life!
its crazy to me that as a kid, I didnt understand why there were all these different types (mostly just built every design as twister coaster), and now I've ridden most of these.
I loved the verticle drop coasters in vanilla, always have been big money makers for me
If this included OpenRCT2 additions, then the Hybrid Coaster would probably be in god tier. Its stats are insane and it's almost as hard to screw up as the Junior Coaster.
I can see that Marcel slightly dislikes the Heartline Twister Coaster
Great list, although I personally would have put the Twister Coaster above the Giga Coaster because the former has many more elements (and inversions).
I especially appreciate how you presented the tracks by the vanilla/Classic game menu alphabetical order, as it reduces spoilers.
The one inherent problem with these types of ranked lists is that, if one goes by worst to best, revealing the number 2 item spoils the number 1 item. I appreciate going by the game menu order for reducing spoilers for this reason.
Alternatively, what I have seen done in the North American NHL Draft Lottery is that after revealing the number 3 item, they immediately reveal the number 1 item; it feels less spoiled to have number 2 being implicitly given away compared to number 1.
TL;DR: any method of reducing spoilers in such ranked lists is something I always appreciate.
That's why I said that the giga coaster is "one of the best coaster types" and not "the best". I already knew it was gonna be at number one, but I didn't want to spoil it.
This video includes the footage of crash and guest death, so I would confidently say that this is indeed a very good Marcel Vos video.
It’s so weird seeing the Junior Coaster not have steep hills since I played RCT1 more in my life.
i agree. it's also weird to see the new design of the steel coaster trains
19:53 I swear that I once had a Virginia Reel that flew off the tracks in that one volcano-themed RCT2 park a long time ago.
Because you asked:
to judge based on usability alone, I think it would be really cool to see how many different types of design categories can be made and their different possible price points, i.e. thin coaster, small footprint coaster, maximized for money generation, the cheapest barely functioning coaster, maximized for high stats. You could take all these categories, make a cheap, medium, and expensive - but not expensive for the sake of it, you'd stop when it becomes unnecessary, so some may only have a cheap coaster (like the barely functioning category would only have 1). Then, you could sum up the total stats, throughput, and money generation for a certain coaster (including all categories and versions within) and compare each one to the total cost added up for that certain coaster (again, including all versions). Then, you'd have a really good picture of a coaster's actual usefulness, as you'd have a fairly objective number associated with each coaster. You could then include bonuses such as guest generation at this step, as all of the designs technically generate their respective guest amount. You could also tally the total number of designs, divide that by their total cost, and you'd have a number that you could weight each coaster type's usefulness - this could express their versatility. You could also calculate the average added park value per capital investment. You could also weight each category by how often they affect scenarios, as THEN, after you have a weighted, average usefulness number for each coaster calculated, you could recalculate literally every version of every coaster, and compare its average to each type, and you could set a cap for deviance, and exclude all bad designs that don't fall within that range of the average, recalculate the average, and you'd have a seriously good picture of what each coaster type would statistically be considered good or bad as, reward per capital investment, based on scenario play.
tldr: calculate with statistics based on an objective sample of all possible and useful coaster designs, and weight it based on how many scenarios they could actually be considered useful in.
While not entirely related to RCT seeing all these coaster types brought to mind and made me want to mention my 2 favorite roller coasters I've ever ridden: those being the Iron Dragon (which is also the longest operating suspended coaster in the world) and The Beast (which itself holds the record for being the longest wooden roller coaster in the world to this day).
I honestly want to seen an OpenRCT2 based one with the three new types and all of the changes that have been made to the other coaster types. Really curious as to where the Hybrid, Single-Rail and Alpine Coaster types would fall.
Also the new track pieces added to the Looping coaster and the LIM Launch Coaster
alpine could be probably in the trash for scenario play, as it lose speed way quickly (but also depends on the feel, as the speed change in a very prounounced way), but at least it cannot crash into other trains.
hybrid coaster is just a better version of the wooden coaster, but a bit more expensive, but it is still able whit the smaller price than a giga to actually entering the god like
single rail roller coasters are just extremely good 12kmph steep chain lift and fairly high stats when used, same height as a cokscrew, but they definitly can be strong coaster as well, as they can be compact and look good
@@claudetheclaudeqc6600 The alpine coaster wasn't meant to be trash, although it isn't as good as the other additions. Its main strength is that it can have a pretty high excitement/intensity ratio, so it should be a good option for parks where guests prefer less intense rides. Capacity may be an issue but since it doesn't use blocks it can run a lot of cars (it is allowed more cars than fit in the station).
It loses speed quickly because the cars are equipped with brakes. Each rider has their own preferences for how fast they prefer to go and when they will brake. This doesn't matter too much because the alpine coaster doesn't calculate G forces, the main determiner of the rating you get is the length of the track and the scenery bonus.
I like, how it is basically a random distribution between the rides, since we "only" have about 40 data points
Oooh I'm very glad to see this! Love me some Marcel content, and a coaster tier list is excellent stuff!
Side note, I'm so used to Marcel's voice that whenever I read his replies in the comments, I hear them in his voice. XD
I suspect that maybe Chris Sawyer himself rode a Pipeline coaster (Heartline in real life) and hated it so much that he made it the worst coaster type in the game.
i really liked that by going alphabetically, the tier list went up and down so wildly.
kind of like a roller coaster :)
Now I wanna see what the rankings are when you add OpenRCT to the mix. I bet there will be quite a few changes, but do any of the coasters get worse in OpenRCT or do they all get a little better (or at least stay in the same tier)?
I also want to know where Marcel places the Hybrid, Single-Rail, and Alpine coasters (the ones since added).
The only significant change in the lower tiers is accounting for the Excitement buff for the Heartline. Otherwise it's nothing but the rich getting richer, as most of the OpenRCT2 additions were to the already good coaster types.
I don't think that any coaster type gets worse in OpenRCT2, they either stay the same or get better.
Now we need a food stall tier list! 🤣
Information kiosk/souvenir stall god tier because guest will pay any price for umbrellas when it's raining. Cash machine god tier as it means guest will stay in your park and keep spending money. Fries also god teir because they make guest thirsty so that they then buy a drink. Balloon is also god tier because guest will eventually loose their balloon and then go buy another balloon. Also they let go of their balloons when you win a scenario which both looks cool and it means everyone will go and buy a new balloon.
@@MrGhosta5 Cash machine is either GOD tier or DOG tier depending on the scenario. It'd be so impossible to place it so i'm not sure how you'd do it honestly (Scenarios with pay on entry enabled).
I’m not paying that much for a tentacle from Sea Food Stall 1
@@MrGhosta5 First aid stations would also be God tier as they help reduce guest nausea while not curbing their hunger, so they’ll still buy food and they won’t puke so much.
Fries also seem to sell for a high amount while having a low stock cost, so they have a great profit margin.
Two that would be pretty low are ice cream and pizza.
Ice cream because people won't buy it at all if it is raining or too cold, and the profit you can make with it is minimal unless you are in a hot desert scenario.
Pizza because it satisfies both hunger and thirst.
I remember making a table of track piece and general stats on a per coaster basis because I had a hunch that the minetrain coaster was the most mediocre (in the meaning of average) in the game.
And indeed, it had access to only the most common track pieces (track peices that at least half the coasters had access to) and none of the less common ones. Its support limit and its chain lfit speed were also beyond average.
I still love that thing though because of how good it works thematically.
The Wooden Coaster is God Tier in my heart. xD I always have a "Woodchip" in my park.
That was quiet the rollercoaster of a list (pun intended ;). And for someone as me, who mostly played RCT1, I didn't know so many new coaster types where added in RCT2.
Would love to see one of these ranking videos for the non-coaster rides as well
I would place the reverse freefall coaster into the "Just Bad" category, not just for the lack of variety but the abysmal throughput. However, i'd place the reverser coaster a bit higher, maybe as last of the "meh" category, as with long stations you can indeed achieve a good throughput of 2.5k guests per hour. I do agree with placing the inverted impulse a bit higher as well...
I am surprised how well my picks from basically 20 years ago align with your decisions. Was a crazy time back then with almost no platforms like YT to exchange interest in this game at this level.
Excelent video, Marcel! Make a similar one for OPEN RCT, please!!!! :)
2:44 Marcel talking in units instead of meters/feet, that is rare
I think youre quite allright with your list, but the water coaster. I think its great, because it combines water attraction with a coaster.
Surprised that the Steeple Chase and Mini Suspended Coaster were below the Heartline Twister. I've built a few of them without remembering how terrible they are and they're still... functional. The Heartline Twister is really one that you don't want to build under any circumstances, unless you're doing a challenge run.
The Heartline can have a much higher throughput than either of those rides so it make much more money. It can also have a smaller microdesign as it has no minimum length requirement.
@@MarcelVos No mention of the boost for dueling steeplechase?
@@epicsmurfyzz The boost for synchronization is only slightly higher for the Steeplechase than for other coaster types, so it doesn't make a very big difference.
@@MarcelVos I really appreciate this explanation and it makes sense.
I really appreciate this comment and conversation. I thought the same thing of "Gee, the heartline sucks SO bad. HOW is it not THE lowest?" The explanation makes sense, but my disdain for it still has it #1 worst in my heart.
Geez, with the many up and downs in the rating order, it's almost like a rollercoaster
I would put the wooden coaster in tier 1, it's by far the best looking and one of the most enjoyable to build.
Now you gotta build a park with only coasters in the bottom 2 tiers :)
Personally I'd rate the Lay Down Coaster higher than the Flying Rollercoaster because the Lay Down tends to have a lower Nausuea rating
the woodie deserves god-tier, simply for the fact that almost no parks will feel complete without one.
ok but air powered vertical coaster is absolute god tier
I actually like building with the Mini coaster even though it's pretty bad. Just got to make the course tighter to compensate for the lightweight cars and rockets.
It can look cool too with the right scenery.
I dig the Bobsled coaster though mainly because they're my favourite type of coaster to ride IRL.
You're opinion matters in RCT 2. Honestly I never thought much of Virginia Reel until now and will use it more often.
Wooden Wild Mouse is one of my favorite coasters. It has pretty good stats, is pretty cheap, and can fit almost anywhere. A design I saved recently is 3x30, costs $2,174, and has stats of 6.80/8.80/4.80. If it weren't for the entrance and exit buildings, it would be 2x30. I would've put that higher on the list, but otherwise I agree with your list.
Cant wait to see the flat ride tier list.
My guess:
God: Merry go round
Trash: space rings
Can we get a RCT1 & RCT2 scenario tier list next?
I second this. Would love to see this.
I would love this, as well as a tier list for Gentle, Thrill, and/or Water rides. Shops and stalls would be great too.
I see 3 of the easiest being in both the worst and best
Forest Frontiers is a great rct1 start
the 2 other easiest are from the expantion packs of rct2
As always, very informal and interesting! Thank you Marcel!
I personally liked what you consider the two worst coasters when I used them. I found their stats easy to manipulate.
Thanks Marcel! I always enjoy your videos! I agree with your list except I’d place the twister coaster ahead of the Giga for its great inversions and, I’d move the looping coaster to God like because it’s fairly cheap to build but gets great stats with it’s simple yet fun design!
I like that your accent makes "floorless coaster" sound like "flawless coaster" - which it is.
I love your voice so much, especially when you tell jokes or say something unhinged
So Chris Sawyer:
- likes B&M
- _hates_ Togo
- recognizes the inferiority of Arrow Dynamics' coasters, as well as the Vekoma coasters that use Arrow's track design (I believe that design is what makes Arrow coasters inferior)
- thinks *JUNIOR* coasters are intense
- didn't think about possible cheese
I'd add that he tends to like Intamin stuff too.
I gotta be honest Marcel, this is a very good tier list. I feel that there's no arguing possible to move any coaster more one category over.
I believe that many players, that play the game from an aesthetics point of view, would still agree with your tier list since many of the lower tiered rollercoasters are quite limiting to build with.😊
You're feeling wrong, because many people have already argued for things to be different. Also, for aesthetics this list is definitely wrong. For example, the Bobsleigh coaster is great as a terrain coaster going down a mountain, but you don't see that in this list.
I wonder what a best looking roller coasters list would look like? Knowing Marcel, he'd have wooden roller coasters at the top.
I personally would've ranked the Steel Wild Mouse much lower... but that's only because it's INCREDIBLY prone to crashing. Perhaps my designs just suck, but I can't tell you how many times I've had to completely redesign the track just to avoid a plummeting park rating due to a crash... I've found that including brakes right before the station is critical to avoid that, but even then, you basically can't have a hill that it barely makes, or else sometimes it will just rollback and crash. Any hill that it goes over less than 10 mph is basically a recipe for a crash later.... Compare this to the Wooden Wild Mouse, which CAN'T crash unless you really don't design the hills right, and I feel it's a bit better.
Excellent video! Since you have all the coaster status and rules mapped, I'd recommend you apply the Analytical Hierarchy Process (maybe the Gaussian approach). In this comparison, every coaster will be compared pairwise in a way that the rank will not be influenced by your opinion (which is an awesome opinion btw)
Huzzah Marcel returns!
Happy New Year Marcel and fans!
I guess the giga has to be a #1 because every "highest possible excitement" video I've seen is usually gigas. The ratios it gets is kind of unfair, it's almost broken except it doesn't get inversions.
I do think people should reconsider the vertical coaster though because it's throughput is the highest, I've found it very easy to get compact designs, and it's stats are fantastic, i personally find it the most easy steel type coaster to work with for the value.
I agree with the 3 god tier coasters, but I would swap the giga coaster for the wooden coaster due to the fact that the aesthetics of the wooden look so much better.
I actually wouldn't mind a brief video where you change around the tier list based on what OpenRCT2 adds to the game.
I personally prefer the twister coaster more than the giga coaster for two reasons - I find it easier to build a smaller, less expensive ride with good stats with the twister than the giga, and because on the like two scenarios your guests want really high intensity rides, I find it hard to get the giga coaster's intensity high enough - Having to go in and unbank turns to hit the intensity.
As for the wooden coaster, in vanilla, I find it even more useful IMHO because the water splash acts as a brake that never breaks down - when you don't have block brakes its the easiest way to prevent crashes.
Finally, a tier list with a bell curve, as they should have
For me it’s more about how it looks. That’s why I like the Bobsled so much! Reminds me of the De Bob in The Efteling. Great memories of that ride!
You know what. Marcel does challenge runs all the time in this game trying to beat scenarios using only stalls or one ride or something. I wanna see him beat some of the hard scenarios with hard stats to hit using nothing but the coasters types on the low end of the spectrum
This basically explains why when I create a custom scenario I included many years suspended coaster in the park to avoid any temptation for the player to Avalon
Would be curious to see how the OpenRCT new coasters rank in here.
LOL The way he says "It's not the worst coaster in the game but I would still like it to get away from me very quickly"
Thank you for the top tier entertainment, Marcel!
Anyone else have the problem I have that some of the worst coasters are my favorite to build? The wooden reverser and mini in particular, I just like how they look
I have that too with some. I really like the standup coaster and the side friction coaster for some reason.
@Marcel Vos I also like those. Maybe it's the idea of "No, I can make these good, just watch" that makes me drawn to those. 😆
@@MarcelVos Those are the same two types I can't get away from. Whenever they are available I build them. Even when much better options exist. The standup coaster feels like it has tons of potential if you can just keep the intensity in check. And the side friction is just so charming.
Personally, I would put the reverse freefall coaster a little higher on the list. Between its stats and short ride time, it can be pretty good at making money. And its linear design makes it easier to fit into most parks, especially ones that are already filled up with other rides.
I love to put 10+ of them in a row and put them all on synchronized launch.
The mini suspended coaster was one of the first coasters I tried building my own custom design for, and I had to give up because I could not for the life of me manage to get it to make it through the entire circuit during testing lol. It was so light and slow it valleyed at practically every slight hill.
Would love to see you try to make the highest profit per hour coaster
Only gripe: I would put the Water Coaster at the high end of "A bit meh" category because a small design with a good station still has reasonably high stats, throughput, and thus is a decent money-maker. No Water Coaster in real life is as big as the one in Sunny Swamps, and they're not meant to be; scale it down to a junior that requires a water splash element and it's kind of versatile. Also: photo section for extra money.
Welcome back Marcel, TH-cam is now great again.
the bobsled is quite nice for its difficulty in building and occasional "fireworks". deserves better tier
Do you think you will ever do ride overviews of the other rollercoasters? Flying, laydown, watercoaster, cerebrus and TGV train. I love all your videos and would highly enjoy these ride overviews
These are just re-skins of the coasters they are based on, with identical stats except for maybe a small vehicle boost. Otherwise, they function exactly the same. OpenRCT2 helpfully just merges them into the base coasters.
Marcel talking about the disappointment of not having sloped banked turns, and I'm out here with vanilla RCT1 like 😭
The multi-dimension coaster is much better than you give it credit for. Yes, it is expensive, but getting a "very-high" in the excitement rating department is pretty easy to achieve. Whereas with coasters ranked above, you either need to abuse the scenery, or build a long design. The bobsled for example (and it's much trickier to work with). Still, an awesome satisfying video!
Problem is, it costs a fortune, gives you few different elements to work with, and it would still perform at the same level as other coasters would reach much more easily.
Based.
Guest torture method tier list when? :V
I know OpenRCT is always changing, but what if you made the same tier list using Open? I'm sure if you polled how many play Vanilla v. Open, most of us play OpenRCT
Found your channel after you beat me in GeoGuessr duels. Still salty about that😂. Top video gozer.
Reporting for misinformation: Mini Sus is god tier
6:52 HEY that's Blackpool Pleasure Beach which is about 1 mile from my house!