Given they're taking a boat from an island filled with the chosen of a greek goddess, and there are plenty of magical artifacts on the island, I wouldn't be too surprised. Honestly I expected the boat to be magic, probably teleporting at some point.
Gameorama91 In BvS she said that she walked away from civilization 100 yrs ago, meaning she probably gave up and never interfered with the 2nd world war.
I hope they make some kind of easter egg or something or just one line from her saying something about she been there, I wont like to watch another WW movie in another World War
Well, i have a problem with the Movie. Cause it's objectively bad. Main Character is running on Feminism alone, she has nothing other that charges her Battery. Just feminism - and that's in fact the worst of all characters. She's a hollow vessel for vague ability sets and completly hollow believes, repeating the statement "Truth is what you believe." Only idiots believe that the Truth is what you believe - this is a naive, dumb Mindset, in fact. She's just a badly written character.
@Kristopher Leffingwell I did and was disappointed in it tbh , It had an amazing cast but lacked vision.... I recently watched it again to give it another chance but it only made it worse.... Not to mention WW84 was even worse and made me hate one of my favourite childhood hero
MatPat: Her whole name, Diana, is based on the Greek goddess. Me: ExcUSE me sir but Diana is the Roman goddess of the hunt. Artemis is her Greek counter part. (PS no hate, I love the channel, and your videos, I just read too much Percy Jackson) (Edit a y e a r later, hello to the people who corrected my spelling as if that were something important. Also, I am aware that Rick Riordan’s books are only based on mythology, not a completely accurate representation. Despite that, it is accurate enough for me to know that Diana is Roman and Artemis is Greek. Hope y’all are holding up in quarantine, and I recommend the Magnus Chase series if you like Percy Jackson and are looking for something to read. It’s got a wonderful story and wonderful representation).
I would think it was pretty common knowledge that greek and roman gods are pretty much one and the same. greek under a roman label, for the most part. stealing gods were quite stylish back then, I understand. :)
I actually used to think the same thing about the marksman's story line but I had it pointed out to me that his story was actually a lot deeper than I originally thought it was meant to be. The typical way that a story about a marksman with PTSD would normally end would be with the marksman magically getting over his PTSD and saving the day by shooting someone, which I'd argue would just make his PTSD worse if anything. Wonder Woman did an excellent job subverting a lot of typical tropes and Charlie's was really the best because in any other story, he would have gotten to the scene where he's ready to give up and he would have either left only to come back later in some big, dramatic, convenient, and incredibly unbelievably moment, or the others would have convinced him to come along and told him that ha can still shoot if he just tries. Instead of either of those things, Diana encourages him to come with them by suggesting he sing for them along the way, showing that she values something very humanizing about him rather than his ability to kill. Charlies arc could have been better, I won't deny that, but there was certainly an arc to speak of and it wasn't as bad as I've seen people suggest.
Sir Crimson nope. Matthias Patrick is a twat nonce. He only pinned a comment defending him and completely denouncing, condemning opinion and criticism. MATPAT PINNED A COMMENT AGAINST FREE FUCKING SPEECH.
Wow. So basically everything about the rest of the movie hinges on the success of the boat ride. That's scarier than the rest of the movie's twists and turns if you ask me.
Zack Snyder movies in a nutshell Here's something nice Now here's that thing in a washed out color pallet LET'S ADD IN SOME EXPLOSIONS HERE'S A SKY BEAM!!!!!! AM I CONNECTING WITH YOU YET?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!
@@JianCB2 umm yeah i'm pretty sure that @Earl Brooks was making a joke. quoting the video. people are allowed to quote the video saying that matpat's joke is funny. stop being rude af
MatPat I hate to say it, Just know i only point this out for love (for the film theories), the main thing that you are forgetting is Themyscira itself. In the comic books Themyscira is called Paradise Island and like it stated in the movie "the island blessed by the Olympian Gods, no man was allowed to physically set foot on it" and what is not stated is that the Island can move to any location on earth (like the island in lost) possibly by Zeus or the Queen.. Using that logic then the island at that time of the plane crash could have been where you said it was. then when the plane crashed into the island it could have moved closer to london and moved again when Diana left to ensure that the location of the island can not be found by outsiders. Zeus knowing that all this needed to happen. I do have to give Gadot Props though she was 5 month pregnant during filling of the movie.
Steve and his plane were the breaking point of the whole shield in the island. After he crashed, men came after him and discovered it. The scene where Diana saw the plane entering, it looked like it broke an invisible barrier
Themyscira doesn't have a set location, which is part of the reason why once you leave you can never return. So who knows, when they crossed the fog they might've been spat out into the English Canal.
christina1986ify that’s actually really probable but the island must always be moving locations which could technically mean that they could have been spat out ANYWHERE and they could have just gotten REALLY lucky
Forgive my shameful knowledge of DC (and Greek mythology, my only qualification to speak on this is some research and reading Percy Jackson), but Ares is in this movie, and he’s a Greek god. Plus, there’s a comic (believe it’s Injustice) where literally every god shows up and they all are Greek gods. Maybe for the sake of the DCEU Diana is a Greek god, because there seem to be very few Roman gods in this franchise. Artemis is Diana’s counterpart, maybe they just didn’t want to call her Artemis
A few things, first Zack only did the story not the script meaning it likely read something to the effect of Diana leaves Femescura with Steve and make their way back to London where... Secondly it's never stated that it's a Brittish tug boat, it's possible that it was an allied ship that Steve talked into taking them or It's possible he used the phrase tug boat because any ship taking them would've tugged them there and instead of explaining the differences between ships to Diana, a woman who knows practically nothing about the world he used tug boat as its pretty self explanatory. Hope this is thoughtful and not condescending, love your work!
Gotta say, you spelt Themyscira wrong. Also, he never really took the time to oversimplify things later, and most of the time where he realizes how little she knows about the world comes after the boat ride. The allied boat in general thing may work out, but it still may take too much time, considering how slow the tugboat would be going. 14 knots ain't much to go 3300 miles.
Yeah, but Diana is the Roman form of Artemis and the Greek gods we’re all killed by Ares in the beginning so they chose Diana, the roman goddess that pretty much copies Artemis, who is the leader of the hunt. And if I remember correctly in one of the mythology’s there are a group of people called the amazons which are like the hunt so it is saying that Diana is like Artemis who leads the hunt who is like the Amazons. This is my guess that makes the most sense to me at least
Artemis/Diana is a hunter who uses bows and knifes and is a eternal maiden (virgin) / man hater and sister of Apollo also this is Greek mythology not roman it is Artemis not diana
Awesome theory. Just a little correction though, you are talking about Turkey in the video while it should of been the Ottoman Empire as Turkey as a country was established after WW1 :) (also the flag is a bit different)
Here's my theory: What if Ares wanted Diana to get there? What if he wanted her help, like he said when she was trying to kill him? That would explain getting there in one day, and how they were "lucky enough" to get a tugboat!
That's honestly a good idea. this comment is sorta under 'liked' cuz this seems like what would have likely happened. But there are still not evidence to help it out, plus if Zeus was trying to make it hidden (to the ancient Greeks anyway) wouldnt he have placed it in a place outside of the areas that the Greeks has been? And if this was the idea, it could be literally anywhere in the seas. Still good theory and thanks for reading. And this is just a COMMENT, A COMMENT THEORY _using an over used joke based on the quote of the video's youtuber_ ! Have a great day :>
If they made it there by the means of a deity shouldn't the spy have noticed how soon they made it back comparatively to how long it took him to get to Turkey in the first place? Didn't Ares also mention first seeing her in that one room in England? Not sure about that lat one but these are my thoughts
Zeus teleported the boat while the two slept, and when Steve (who at this time is still not entirely convinced on Diana's reality) woke up he resolved that they 'got lucky'. This explanation is actually hinted at in one of the comics as well, through one of Ares' insults that without Zeus, Diana's mission would have inevitably failed. Excellent video as always though MatPat, always love seeing these numbers crunched, no ill will whatsoever, just wanted to bring that little fact to light.
DailyTop5s literally the only part of the comment that is truly in relation to the movie is the part about Steve thinking they "got lucky" which is also mentioned in this video.... I haven't seen the movie once and I knew that part thanks to this video.... the rest of the comment is comic book lore... seriously, context clues honey...
The whole Greece thing isn't much to go on for location. The people of Themyscira are reincarnated souls of women who were killed by men and created by Hippolyta and Antiope. After Ares tried to take over the island and after Hercules and Hippolyta defeated Ares, the Amazonian people DECIDED to base their island on Greece culture when they rebuilt. They adopted Greece culture, they weren't created into it. Greeks were actually enemy's of the Amazonian's. All lot happened with Hercules, who went mad and took over the Amazon island and forced the Amazons to leave their home. The remaining amazons found a new home in what we call the Bermuda triangle. This island became the new Themyscira and guarded by the magic sphere to protect it from new attackers. After that the original Themyscira gets destroyed. This Wonder Women movie takes place at the NEW Themyscira and can be easily found somewhere in the Bermuda. So they literally live next to the USA, weird right? But this doesnt help much since the closest the Burmuda is to England is 5,472 km. They are still screwed. Just saying.
This film’s mythology is so loosely based on Greek mythology that you really can’t use actual Greek mythology as evidence. For Christ sake, Ares killed all the immortal gods for some reason. And let’s not forget that Ares is an utter, 100 percent bad guy, despite none of the actual gods being "bad", and the only actual villains were the titans.
the great lotfi Real mature, Oscar Neri, he makes other mistakes too; for the Better Call Saul theory, he stated what everyone knew the first episode...
But The German's Plane *Will Not Change* As Far As That Plane Can Go, Is Italy... (IF The Island Is Not In Somewhere Near Turkey, *Then The Plane Will NEVER Crash There...* Sooo Yeah, Unless The Island Is Moving More Faster Than A Jet..... Which Is Impossible..... It's Still No Use 😅)
@@imashadow699 From memory in the comics the island pretty much just magically teleported from place to place. So it's theoretically possible - especially if you assume whatever force moves the island wanted Diana to succeed. But if that's the case the film *really* should have at least mentioned briefly that the island had this capability...
Themyscira is a constantly moving island. Which would explain why it's so hard or impossible for Diana to ever return to the island. The island wouldn't be in the same place it was when she left. Could the islands "mythical" movement (during Steve's capture and interrogation) put Diana closer to London at the time they left sailing? Therefore cutting travel time considerably. I'm really curious about this.
Doesn't change the fact that the plane would have to land near Themyscria 'somewhere' near Turkey. And from the video we see that the plane landed right on the very brim and edge of its zone of flight. That was the best possible outcuome.
I love how this channel is about science and its real-world applications and implications, yet most of the comments I've seen have basically been, "But Matpat, what about frickin' MAGIC?!?! You didn't think about that did you! Theory disproved!" No, he didn't think about your silly magic boat, and the *theory* (look up theory if you don't know its real meaning) is not disproved. *muttering to myself* Magic boats...are these people serious?
Tyler Whetstone THE WHOLE MOVIE IS ABOUT MAGIC Lmao why is magic such a crazy nonsensical idea in the movie where the main character is literally a God
jeduhh I'm not mad at all. I understand that it's just a movie and everyone's opinions are valid (to a point). I just thought the comments were humorous.
Stein Your comment is the kind that I find funny. Yeah, I get that there's a magic lasso and gods and other things, but the fact that everyone is so up in arms about is funny, especially on this channel.
That could have happened. It totally makes sense. However, the movie doesn't mention help from Poseidon or any other sea god. It would have been really easy too. Steve: "I'm not complaining, but how'd we get here so fast?" Wonder Woman: "I prayed to several sea gods to speed us on our way." Steve: "Neat."
but maybe it was magic- maybe the gods were working in their favor, but I guess that doesn't explain it because Steve isn't surprised at how fast they a arrived. and who knows, maybe themiscyra is in a wierd magic almost wormhole like thing
@@tekkengod2120 Ares says something like "humans don't deserve to live" and then WW gives that reply. Basically even if humans deserve to be destroyed after horrible things they've done, she believes they're better than that
I thought Themyscira is never in one location it was how they stayed hidden from Ares also why Diana may never find her way back home. although the pacing of the movie was off like i felt they cover a vast amount of ground on foot with like no time passing, the film could of used some more transitions to make it feel as time passed. also maybe magic boat?
Even if the island wasn't in the pinpointed coordinates, Steve did started his flight in Turkey, and that puts enough distance for both the plane and the boat.
Ponera Grimoire Apparently not, otherwise they wouldn't need to sail overnight. However, it's possible that it periodically changes location (as part of the enchantment making it difficult to find) and was closer to London when they left it. Diana's mother warns her that if she leaves the island she may never return. This could be an Amazonian rule of law or she could be referring to how difficult it would be to find it again...
True but if it were a magic boat then why did it take them a whole day and night to get to London it seams like it'd it were magic it would have taken less time. You know?
It took me a LONG time to realize this, but MatPat is WRONG! There are two clues that indicate that the boat ride from the island to England did in fact take two weeks! Clue one: Diana falls asleep with her hair knotted in a braid rope, but wakes up with it loose and free-flowing. Clue two: Etta Candy says when she sees Steve that she hadn't heard from him in two weeks. That second one used to confuse me, but the research in this theory explains how that makes sense - he's been on a boat for two weeks and couldn't contact her. THEORY DENIED! I am copy/pasting this comment as replies all over this comment section so people might see it, this theory is old and no one will see the OP but it's really important here. Apologies for the spam if anyone gets this comment more than once.
Wandergirl108 That makes no sence. What if wteve just untied her hair? And what if he was just gone for two weeks? considering hes a spy he has to have been gone for a while.
+Wandergirl108 They would be sailing 3,300 miles which would take a long time to sail in a Greek ship and that is counting if they even make it out the Mediterranean Sea Because as he said the ship could not change directions it would be more likely if they got stuck on the coast of Italy rather than get out of the Mediterranean Sea If the rare chance they did they would have enough food for the journey and even than they would have more chance of straying off course to London and even if they were on the right course that would have taken more than 2 weeks at best and I am going to trail back to the beginning saying they only have two people on this ship which I think would slow them down even more and to be fair we do not count the journey they took at all like if they were any storms or even tidal waves that prevented them
Wandergirl108 Actually that does make sense, I can see that. But, what about their supplies? The movie didn't show any hint of that. Nice Theory though, it could indeed be true.
Diana is a Roman Goddess, the goddess of the moon and hunting. She is the equivalent Greek goddess Artemis. Diana wasn't a greek goddess xD I suppose since the Romans technically copied the Greek gods, Diana is essentially artemis, but still the statement made towards the beginning of the video is inaccurate. By the way Mat keep up the good work, love your vids, just thought I would leave some 'constructive criticism ' to correct the slight error made in the vid.
in this case i think he means Diana as in wonder woman, cause that's her real name. It's just coincidence that WW shares the name with the roman goddess
I only mentioned this because between the middle and beginning of the video, he said that her name was shared by a famous Greek goddess. However, I see where you are coming from. Thx for the feedback
Thanks MatPat, you helped me with my English exams through your theories, as in, the way you analyse them gives me a template on how to analyse the stories and poems we're given. I've gotten from a level 5 to a level 7 through watching your videos, so I just want to say thank you (So many likes, thanks guys!)
The original script of the movie had an explanation for the fast travel. They were ment to fly on Steve's plane, because it didn't crash previously. Somewhere along the way writers crashed the plane, replaced it with a boat, and it never crossed their mind again.
HOLY SHIT YES. I'm gonna be honesty Mat Pat, it's been hard to sit through a lot of your videos recently, but this type of video (sticking to pure numbers and facts with no opinions) is my favorite from your channels. Please try to keep this up, I want another golden age of the theory channels
Look, Im greek and all of your theories are true BUT Diana is roman not greek she is just connected with the greek gods for some reason. Anyway good vid.
No offense, and I apologize if this is offensive anyway, but aren't most Roman and Greek gods the same, just with different names? Like how the monotheistic religions all have "God", but the names like "Allah" and "YHWH" for Muslims and Jews respectively? Neptune=Poseidon, Mars=Ares etc...
Matpat are you ok because you honestly sound sick of this stuff. I understand though, people hate on you so much it's unreasonable. Hope you feel better buddy. I love your work and you're extremely inspirational. Never stop and don't listen to what those jerks say. I care about you buddy.
X naM ageM Reversed Maybe he is overwhelmed by the amount, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of the criticism is correct. I am just guessing that most humans have hard time mentally handling the negative feedback since our cynical minds tends to focus on the negative first.
Isn't Diana a roman goddess? I thought she was the Roman equivalent of Artemis. I don't even care anymore. The movie already butchered Greek mythology. Edit: Ok so Diana is the Roman counterpart of Artemis but Wonder Woman is just named after Diana. They are not the same person, got it.
Yeahh.... I cringe every time people get that mixed up. And I completely agree that Wonderwoman completely messed up their Greek mythology. My friend and I (we both know greek mythology) were laughing every time the movie got it wrong when we saw it in the cinema.
Alright, finally, iI found somebody who agree's. First of all, AMAZON WHERE COMMONLY CHILDREN OF ARES, AND THEY HAD A FLIPPIN MASSIVE ISLAND DEDICATED TO HIM GAURDED BY CROWS THAT THROW THEIR FEATHERS LIKE DARTS. Also, Ares gave them the belt for the Amazon Queen that gifted her great strength. (P.S. POSEIDON HATES ARES HE WOULD NEVER HELP THE AMAZONS!)
To be honest, I could care less if anything in your videos might be wrong (Even though personally I agree with nearly all of your videos). I'm just here to watch really interesting videos that over-analyze movies, games and TV shows we love because it's entertaining and puts your brain to work. MatPat isn't a supergenius, he's a theorist. Nobody should be able to tear him, or anyone down because there opinion differs from someone's own. Ignore the hate MatPat, 5 million people would have to disagree with them. ;)
Hail Giratina The true god These videos are interesting and entertaining but if we're fed false information, the value of the video goes through the floor. We're also here to learn about our favourite games or movies, false information doesn't help that. Not sure about his video yet, haven't watched it yet.
could i say one thing? why does his videos have to be correct? It's a theory after all, you either accept it or you dont, heck it's a fictional movie so it wont happen in real life you may even add, again it's for fun. most of the time theories arent even accurate so if youre convinced then you agree with the theory if not then you dont case close
well lets be fair. The film/game theorists is all about how to use science and facts to explain something a game/movie presents to us. This is not supposed to be his opinion, it is supposed to be factual so if his videos are "wrong" as you say, what is the point in watching them? The reason some people "tear him... down" is because he is objectively wrong, not subjectively.
While I agree about not putting down people for their opinions, the people were pointing out facts he got wrong which irritated those viewers. They weren't doing that because they didn't like his opinion.
why do you assume his fan base is little kids? I am a long time fan and see most of "criticism" as hate, because it's literally just calling him names and making fun of him instead of pointing out what is wrong with the theories or research.
Osvaldo Correa ikrrr but I think doctor who is too complex to theorize about its just to convoluted and such a long running series with so many different writers and doctors which causes overlaps and Fallacies in the plot and cannon
7:08 Steve's not an idiot. He knew he wasn't making it the whole way to London on a tank of gas. Me in 2021 knowing that in the new Wonder Woman 84 movie, Steve spoiler spoiler spoiler a jet aircraft the whole way around the world and back on a tank of gas.
MatPat you forgot that the possibility that they might be mythical ships. The Phaeacians in the Odyssey had ships from the gods that could go anywhere in one day! If that were the case this would be possible. :) QUOTE WIKIPEDIA: The Phaeacians possessed remarkable ships. They were quite different from the penteconters, the ships used during the Trojan War, and they were steered by thought. King Alcinous says that Phaeacians carried Rhadamanthus to Euboea, "which is the furthest of any place" and came back on the same day.[4]
They use the same teleporter as they use in Game of Thrones. ie its a plot device to stop the film stretching to 4 hours of useless time period where the characters move from one place to another.
Whether theories age well or not I love watching them because there was still time and effort and until proven wrong you usually do a great job at convincing me of your theories or if they’re proven correct or blows my mind because it’s all so well done
1) Themyscira isn't in a static location. This is hard to understand - but it exists wherever the Gods want it to exist. 2) Movie obviously does a bad job of telling us, since they start off with "The Gods are Dead," but Diana, like other Demi-Gods, has the favor of the Gods wherever she goes. Poseidon would simply crack his knuckles and change the seas for her. And no. Ares did not kill Poseidon (as much as Hippolyta would like us to believe that).
Makes sense. Mat is possibly right when it comes to science and of the sort. But he didn't include Greek Mythology which totally changes everything. Of course Im not sure if it mentions stuff like that though. :/ Also your quote Croecho "since they start off with "The Gods are Dead," but Diana, like other Demi-Gods, has the favor of the Gods wherever she goes." " It makes no sense, the gods are dead yet she gets help by the gods. What does that mean? She has the powers of such?
What if the island exists beyond the mortal plain of reality and can be anywhere on earth at different times as it was used by the gods to house their protectors of humanity which means they are close to the biggest conflict in the world
What I don't get about this movie is that the movie revolves around Greek Mythology, and yet her name is Roman. The goddess Diana is a Roman God and her name in Greek is Artemis, so how come she is called Diana?
Because she was named Diana in the comics. That being said it's no surprise if certain Greek characters both real, myth and fictional at any given time period would have Roman names. Considering the Greeks themselves have intermingled with Romans in the past both in real life and in fiction. Take for example Appolonia of the first Godfather movie. When they first described her to her father they mentioned she seemed more Greek than Italian. So if a half Greek half Italian could live in Sicily then it wouldn't be a surprise if Diana of Themyscira had Roman blood or if Hippolyta just liked the name.
If you want to get that much into it, the Amazons weren't even Greek. Not in mythology, not in real life. Mythology puts their origins either in Lybia, or in present-day Ukraine. The Scythian women whom the Greeks most likely based the Amazons upon lived in the latter area. This is just another case of pop-culture diluting and mixing things together.
ariana.shelton7649 i have a question for you, which name sounds better? Diana does, shes a character BASED on the goddess artemis, they mustve thought it would be funny to give her, her Roman name just for fun, who knows? Sure the name is wrong but its based on artemis, how do i know? What names do they use for the other gods? Ares, zeus, and the others which are all the greek version because if it were to be Roman, Ares wouldve been called Mars
Reginald Asare like while she was sleeping? Or?? Also its been insinuated that Themyscira is located within the Devil’s Triangle.. and there are a few. Also there are indications in ww comics they were advanced with their ancient technology so maybe they developed their boats? Or a fun way they could have used would be to use the gods as a way to transport them from within the triangle to wherever it is they need to go. At least you can create your own theories out of that, that might make more sense
Maybe the island had an enchantment so that those leaving would get where they want to go after passing through the bubble. The gods are dead, but obviously magical enchantments still exist (the bubble concealing Themyscira). In addition, the island shifting position would explain how nobody found it after so long.
yeah i was thinking that it would kinda be like nonexistent in the real world and it would basically be able to go any where on earth so when you leave you can go where you need to
SuperPunMaster It's just my theory. A FILM THEORY! It's just a plausible theory that could explain the timeline of the movie, it's not necessarily true.
I like this idea a lot, but if Steve's crash range was still about the same, how quickly would the island have to 'shift' to actually get them near enough to England, not including geographical luck (to an extent) and the amount of weather disturbances that could cause (which you could chalk up to magic as well, I suppose, since there's literally a magical bubble) as the island would literally be leaving a vortex of air disturbances and water as the island dissapears or shifts or whatever it does. At best (as in, best for humanity's future) it'd maybe create some large waves or a whirlpool with the water. I'm not sure though. The wording's kinda important. I never read the comic, just watched the animated film when I was a kid, so I'm not sure whether Théo's comment was referring to 'shifting' or 'teleportation' as how it went down in the comic, but that would definitely effect how the movie turned out. Also, even with the idea of teleportation, unless we're going by the 'geographical will' theory comment the chances that they'd teleport close enough to England are slim, and if the island was shifting it'd have to be moving pretty fast since it's, well, a giant island and water resistance is still a thing. Idk there's a lot of holes in this, but I think this is my favorite counter-theory in the comments yet. Perhaps if we went off the idea of geographic will (so if they just exited the magical bubble and appeared at a magical coordinate or at a coordinate they consciously or subconsciously willed the magic to drop them off at) this would certainly be a plausible idea, though probably not the right one. So please add on your ideas!! And off topic from this idea, I'm pretty sure in the animated version the gods were Roman, and Diana is the roman goddess of the hunt as well as being greek I'm pretty sure. Correct me if I'm wrong though, since I'm running solely off of caffeine as I've been pulling all-nighters for school and really don't have the brain power to cross-reference the animation/comic/movie/mythology.
Do I really have to be that guy? Guess so... Mat wants to be so accurate (just criticism, love ya mat)... But, (at 7.57) That isn't a duck... It's a Baby Goose, also known as a gosling, likely a Canada Goose Gosling... Just needed to point that out... Sorry comments section (and mat)
The whole point of the theorist community is that we overthink things. The first thing we want to do when he comes out with a theory is poke holes in it, because that's the fun part. He pokes holes in movies, we poke holes in his holes. That's what makes this community great. MatPat, we may constantly dissect your theories, but that just means they're good enough to merit our dissection. We love them and we love you! (in a strictly platonic way, of course)
2:14 It's unfair to be mad at Charlie's (The Marksman) inability to shoot since in the movie he has PTSD which makes sense why he couldn't bring himself to shoot. It is an interesting choice that they brought him along for the journey (in the writer's part), I personally liked the character.
I think the purpose of Charlie was just another means of showing Diana's compassion. Charlie had the choice to leave but stays simply because Diana complimented his singing.
Not even gonna touch on the fact that Doctor Poison was an ancestor of the Joker and the gas she planned to release was a beta version of Joker's gas. In one of the ending scenes we can see that when Doctor Poison's mask falls off and what looks like a joker smile. The first laughing gas was used in 1799 but wasn't used anytime in world war one. The director of wonder-woman herself describes her as someone "who has had all kinds of damage in her life". Mental diseases have been known to be hereditary; and that's most likely what Patty Jenkins meant when she said that. Since this movie is revealed to be a backstory, this could definitely be a relative to joker. Jack Napier is the jokers real name. Napier is a Scottish name. For a small amount of time there was an immigration from Scotland to Spain. Doctor poison is Spanish and could potentially be from Spanish and Scottish descent. The name was also very popular in New York, which is where Scottish and Irish Immigrants landed and stayed. Jokers fist name being jack is obviously an american name. My theory is that doctor poison's mom moved from scotland to spain and had two kids. One being poison and the other being a second child. This second child moved to america and married someone. The mental insanity transferred from The mom to her two daughters
Jack Napier is an alias, he has used many of them over the years and Jack Napier has actually never shown up completely in print only in the Tim Burton movie.
Chip Gaming Imahine if it truely was like joker gas and you just saw people laughing like crazy and you see a woman with really red hait whos uneffected POISON IVY HAS REACHED US!!!!!!
Okay, this isn't a hate comment but you got a very small thing wrong. Diana is the Roman goddess, not Greek. The Greek one is Artemis. ( Sorry, I'm a huge fan of Greek mythology )
@@muddyerbbine6254 that's irrelevant and still doesn't change the point. Two different pantheons of gods and two different cultures. Rome copied elements of Greek religion but still added their own flavor. There are minor differences.
Theory. Emoji movie. NOW. Lets hope you ruin it. XD EDIT: i know that the movie is and will always be crap, but lets be serious, id like to see matpats opinion and theory about it anyway :3
I'm pretty sure that Mat has actually said on a GTLive that he actually is working on an Emoji Movie theory, but not in the way we expect. I'm fairly sure, not 100% certain though. I could just be remembering things wrong
Again with the Fokker? Two in one day? :D (refering to the one on the Zelda BotW episode on the game theory channel). You're one the EDGE today :D Kidding though, know it's totally coinsidental. Good video though, I was always wondering a little how tf they got there in time. But sure. Other than that I really liked the movie. Best DC movie as of late imo. Have a good one Pat, whatever that means for a theorist ^^ Edit: PS, I also love what you're doing to the editor with random blurts of what should be in the video. A little fun between creator/editor movement going on, it's awesome :D
I've read some of the comments and just want to point something out. To all those who say that Poseidon could have helped her travel, HE IS DEAD, the say that in the movie that basically all the gods except Zeus and Aries are dead
matpat is unique cause 1 he makes fun of things without offending anyone and 2 he entertains me with education and that is hard to do something like that
Can everyone just chill? He's not "attacking" Snyder he's making a joke, y'know, comedy. This was a fun little theory, he said he liked the movie, he's not doing this to be spiteful. It's a comedy video, with educational THEORY. Theories in case you've forgotten, are not necessarily true or fact. I personally loved this episode as with all your content, keep up the good work Matpat and the team
Wolf Girl22 People seem to have completely forgotten humor and the very point of this channel as of late and are looking for any excuse to attack. I've honestly stopped reading comments in Game Theory videoes, just wanted to look at this too for confirmation.
Because most of the DCEU fans are tired of the bashing and the fact that they're being compared to Marvel when they got almost nothing in common. And the fans of Snyder are tired of the bashing of a guy who just try to make his work. And when you REALLY know how the cinema industry works, the bashing becomes worst.
The theory isn't the thing to be 'not chill' about in this one. Nor is the 'Snyder bashing conform the tone of the channel'... agreed. The bashing of comment-section though........... different story. The 'if you are one of the very few who actually bring up something that isn't flat out terrible, it is of approximately 'this easy to disprove'-quality', yeah not a fan. On the other hand Bringing up how unlikely it was they would find a tugboat to get a ride from.... while for the purposes of the theory, completely irrelevant, as the fact that it could have (unlikely but possible) and is shown it did happen, so no impact what so ever. as an excuse to bring up more interesting stuff like: what kind of speeds and numbers are we talking about with boats from that era? Stuff like that, that's nice
If you paid attention to the movie they said the gas was Nitrogen based and highly combustible. Hence why Steve blew up the plane. The explosion was caused by the gas itself as it combusted. If you look closer to the beginning (just shy of an hour) of the movie you will see the Dr testing her new improved gas on just a mask in a small chamber. When it is proved to work she ignited a spark plug of sorts and the gas combusted, thereby destroying itself. Does that clear things up?
You missed something. They said that the gas, though extremely poisonous, was flammable. So if you light it all on fire, it's all gone. Also, poison is a matter of concentration. Gas deployed at Verdun didn't kill people who were kilometres away. At that altitude, rests of the gas might even have spread enough to hardly kill anyone once they touched the ground.
GlazedHamRiot Thanks for the correction it is appreciated. It was after 6 am and I had slept 2 hours over the last 3 days. So tired af. But still smarter that the guy who was dumb enough to ask the question in the first place....XD.
*Major* misquotation. The whole point was that Diana faced the truth that mankind was warlike and flawed and in response chose to believe that we could be better than that if given a chance. She wasn't saying anything even close to "truth is what you believe". Cinema Sins is notoriously bad for missing the point. If you ever find yourself making the same point as them, it's worth giving it a closer look and trying to figure out what you may have missed.
@@irrevenant8724 -True, but I think matpat’s and cinemasins’ point was that the theme in general sucked, they didn’t care how it was worded. And I’d have to agree, while on the surface that statement holds a lot of meaning and sounds really powerful, it’s really not. That statement only applies to “good” guys. If belief is the key factor, which it is Diana, then Ares is just as justified if he believes humans are bad.
@@1_atlas_7 Arguably, sure. Is it unrealistic to hope that things can be better and fight for that? Is it more realistic to see the darkness and give into it? Maybe. And maybe not. It's a matter of what principles you choose to live your life by. That's the point. Ares believes humanity is bad and deserve to be destroyed. Diana believes humanity can be better and are worth trying to save. Either of them could be right - maybe both are. Of the two, Diana's path is the only one that could potentially end up with a better world rather than a worse one. Especially as she's willing to fight for it. Do you believe the future can be changed and work towards that? Or do you give up before you begin? You can equally justify either.
Mat I am a Greek my self, I don't know if you had ever been in Greece, but our islands are not even close to the climate of the island in the movie, my theory is that the island is something like the "LOST" series and teleports in time and space, mentioning that every single island of Greece in that period was habbitant. Please notice me senpai
@Pug money Geography doesnt change that quickly. It takes millions and millions of years for terrain to change significantly. Greece today looks basically the same it did during ancient greece
Matpat everyone knows they ran into a convienience wormhole that allows them to arrive where the plot needs them to be
Thats right LOL 😂
Ah it all makes sense now!
Or convenience Poseidon moved them along, he does exist in DC after all
Absolutely correct, lol
obvioulsy
Huh. They lost me when they both went to sleep at the same time leaving no one to pilot the boat. At that point I just figured a wizard did it.
Given they're taking a boat from an island filled with the chosen of a greek goddess, and there are plenty of magical artifacts on the island, I wouldn't be too surprised. Honestly I expected the boat to be magic, probably teleporting at some point.
By the power of "Wululu"
It was me a flew in on a invisible jet flew in attached it to a boat and flew it to land and gave the jet to her a few years later
Yup
Yer a wizard Diana !!!!!
Currents
Here's a better Wonder Woman Theory... Where was she during World War 2?
Hey, there's always the chance for a Wonder Woman 2 lol
She was probably fighting Cheetah somewhere outside of Europe.
Gameorama91 In BvS she said that she walked away from civilization 100 yrs ago, meaning she probably gave up and never interfered with the 2nd world war.
I hope they make some kind of easter egg or something or just one line from her saying something about she been there, I wont like to watch another WW movie in another World War
Wonder WOman2 is in the works. though it's supposed to take place during the "Cold War", but that could be anywhere from the late 40s to the early 90s
"That trick is so old..." I kept waiting for the payoff. Got me good, MatPat.
matpat: "he could have got to the allied ships in London"
me: yes fly into allied ships in a Enemy plane and 100% don't get shot down by artillary
OR Run Out Of Fuel... 😅
Well, i have a problem with the Movie.
Cause it's objectively bad.
Main Character is running on Feminism alone, she has nothing other that charges her Battery. Just feminism - and that's in fact the worst of all characters.
She's a hollow vessel for vague ability sets and completly hollow believes, repeating the statement "Truth is what you believe."
Only idiots believe that the Truth is what you believe - this is a naive, dumb Mindset, in fact.
She's just a badly written character.
@@slevinchannel7589 She said The truth is, it's not about deserve, it's What you believe.
@@paulghencea9037 WTF does that even mean🤣
@Kristopher Leffingwell I did and was disappointed in it tbh , It had an amazing cast but lacked vision.... I recently watched it again to give it another chance but it only made it worse.... Not to mention WW84 was even worse and made me hate one of my favourite childhood hero
MatPat, theres actually a really funny story to why Zack Synder made this mistake. You see, Zack, the writers and Ben Affleck walked into this bar.
Awesome1 10/10 that made my day lol.
Awesome1 what is this? An original and funny TH-cam comment?
cinamesins would say: 8:52 why are there persians rowing a greek boat? *ping*
Hah, nice one!
Dirty Plumbus that is the joke
6:35
TH-cam:What did you say? What did you say?
Matpat: um.....
TH-cam: *DEMONITIZATION*
You can't forget 11:50
It was a joke, in subtitles it says fokkers which was a type of plans at the time
The fokker dr.1 was a german triplane during ww1. But that was funny, good play on words lol.
AngrySpud3839 yeah the fokker dr.1 was a german triplane during ww1
@@monika-Chr stop matpat covers in the video
Diana is a *Roman* goddess,her Greek counterpart is Artemis.
TheWitch KingofWolfs. Does that make it better?
UrbanRose No,just I had to point that out
TheWitch KingofWolfs. Also everyone has commented that 😂
UrbanRose I haven’t seen one comment that mentions it but I’ll take your word for it.
TheWitch KingofWolfs. Please scroll through the comments and you will see what I mean
MatPat: Her whole name, Diana, is based on the Greek goddess.
Me: ExcUSE me sir but Diana is the Roman goddess of the hunt. Artemis is her Greek counter part.
(PS no hate, I love the channel, and your videos, I just read too much Percy Jackson)
(Edit a y e a r later, hello to the people who corrected my spelling as if that were something important. Also, I am aware that Rick Riordan’s books are only based on mythology, not a completely accurate representation. Despite that, it is accurate enough for me to know that Diana is Roman and Artemis is Greek. Hope y’all are holding up in quarantine, and I recommend the Magnus Chase series if you like Percy Jackson and are looking for something to read. It’s got a wonderful story and wonderful representation).
I read all the Percy Jackson AND the hero’s of Olympus
FAXS
I read this in matpats teacher voice from kindergarten.
I would think it was pretty common knowledge that greek and roman gods are pretty much one and the same. greek under a roman label, for the most part. stealing gods were quite stylish back then, I understand. :)
You: I just read to much Percy Jackson.
Me: ExcUSE me but I believe you mean too.
I actually used to think the same thing about the marksman's story line but I had it pointed out to me that his story was actually a lot deeper than I originally thought it was meant to be.
The typical way that a story about a marksman with PTSD would normally end would be with the marksman magically getting over his PTSD and saving the day by shooting someone, which I'd argue would just make his PTSD worse if anything. Wonder Woman did an excellent job subverting a lot of typical tropes and Charlie's was really the best because in any other story, he would have gotten to the scene where he's ready to give up and he would have either left only to come back later in some big, dramatic, convenient, and incredibly unbelievably moment, or the others would have convinced him to come along and told him that ha can still shoot if he just tries. Instead of either of those things, Diana encourages him to come with them by suggesting he sing for them along the way, showing that she values something very humanizing about him rather than his ability to kill.
Charlies arc could have been better, I won't deny that, but there was certainly an arc to speak of and it wasn't as bad as I've seen people suggest.
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH BRAINS GETS IT PIN THIS MATPAT I SWEAR TO ZEUS YOU BETTER PIN IT
Sir Crimson nope. Matthias Patrick is a twat nonce. He only pinned a comment defending him and completely denouncing, condemning opinion and criticism. MATPAT PINNED A COMMENT AGAINST FREE FUCKING SPEECH.
Wow. So basically everything about the rest of the movie hinges on the success of the boat ride. That's scarier than the rest of the movie's twists and turns if you ask me.
Will 2139 ha
You never learned about solar-powered self-driving lightspeed amazonian boats?
More like lunar powered teleporting amazonian boats.
More like convenience plot holes
Ah yes those things got one of those in my garage.
oh yeah... it's the first boat i learned to sail
Amazon has everything these days
Let me put on my wunderwear.
i watch your videos my dude... Damn... More skin walkers pls
i'm guessing your comment has to do with the quote on the video that goes "Dress for the job you want" and you want to be a pornstar?
Darkness Prevails
You CANNOT ruin THIS movie MAAAAAAAAAT it's to good but I'll see it was amazing
Darkness Prevails This should be pinned!
The movie sucks to me
"The truth is what you believe" FUCKING UNICORNS ARE COMING EVERYONE STAND DOWN
thanks for the laugh
Stand down?what😂😂
Keno Badogomba these is halarius
HALF LIFE 3 IS COMING OUT EVERYONE WORK OVERTIME SO YOU CAN AFFORD IT!
Oh you bet there coming, you all better prepare yourselves.
I feel like he's that one guy that sometimes sits next to you in the movie theater that's talking throughout the whole movie
I'm that guy 😂
Zooark Animals Adam ruins everything ring a bell.?
_Alice Me_ same
So
Me
Saying that doesn't make sense
Zack Snyder movies in a nutshell
Here's something nice
Now here's that thing in a washed out color pallet
LET'S ADD IN SOME EXPLOSIONS
HERE'S A SKY BEAM!!!!!!
AM I CONNECTING WITH YOU YET?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!
No i don't understand
7:59
Did you just fucking steal a joke from the same video we're watching...
Sounds like Michael Bay are you sure it's not Michael Bay
@@JianCB2 umm yeah i'm pretty sure that @Earl Brooks was making a joke. quoting the video. people are allowed to quote the video saying that matpat's joke is funny. stop being rude af
@@lanajane778 There aren't any indications for that, there aren't even any quotation marks.
MatPat I hate to say it, Just know i only point this out for love (for the film theories), the main thing that you are forgetting is Themyscira itself. In the comic books Themyscira is called Paradise Island and like it stated in the movie "the island blessed by the Olympian Gods, no man was allowed to physically set foot on it" and what is not stated is that the Island can move to any location on earth (like the island in lost) possibly by Zeus or the Queen.. Using that logic then the island at that time of the plane crash could have been where you said it was. then when the plane crashed into the island it could have moved closer to london and moved again when Diana left to ensure that the location of the island can not be found by outsiders. Zeus knowing that all this needed to happen. I do have to give Gadot Props though she was 5 month pregnant during filling of the movie.
It doesn't say that in the movie therefore it didn't happen.
Marken Gamer a planes not a foot bruh
LOGIC/MOVIE MAGIC !!
1. It's not that no man is capable, but that no man is allowed.
2. The island moves according to its inhabitants' wishes, even moving through time.
Steve and his plane were the breaking point of the whole shield in the island. After he crashed, men came after him and discovered it. The scene where Diana saw the plane entering, it looked like it broke an invisible barrier
Themyscira doesn't have a set location, which is part of the reason why once you leave you can never return. So who knows, when they crossed the fog they might've been spat out into the English Canal.
@Alyssa Kazmierczak it is cannon in a few of the comics I've read - granted that was a while ago.
or the island always moves
betcha dint thinka that didja?
christina1986ify and they caught ride via tug boat
christina1986ify that’s actually really probable but the island must always be moving locations which could technically mean that they could have been spat out ANYWHERE and they could have just gotten REALLY lucky
@@pokegirl1799 for all we know they could be spit out in Australia.
Well I think Diana got shipped by a ship from Amazon
Yes bad Joke BUllY ME AS MUCH AS U WANT!
:/
Decent joke
Pretty Awesome... Amazon Prime (Diana) *does* guarantee overnight shipping.
Anyone else a Greek mythology nerd and got super annoyed when he said Diana was a Greek goddess! No, I’m crazy, Okay!
Issabella Donna im greek and trust me it was painful
She's a roman goddess not Greek
You are crazy
Yep
Forgive my shameful knowledge of DC (and Greek mythology, my only qualification to speak on this is some research and reading Percy Jackson), but Ares is in this movie, and he’s a Greek god. Plus, there’s a comic (believe it’s Injustice) where literally every god shows up and they all are Greek gods. Maybe for the sake of the DCEU Diana is a Greek god, because there seem to be very few Roman gods in this franchise. Artemis is Diana’s counterpart, maybe they just didn’t want to call her Artemis
A few things, first Zack only did the story not the script meaning it likely read something to the effect of Diana leaves Femescura with Steve and make their way back to London where...
Secondly it's never stated that it's a Brittish tug boat, it's possible that it was an allied ship that Steve talked into taking them or
It's possible he used the phrase tug boat because any ship taking them would've tugged them there and instead of explaining the differences between ships to Diana, a woman who knows practically nothing about the world he used tug boat as its pretty self explanatory.
Hope this is thoughtful and not condescending, love your work!
Maston Dane did you just call it FEMiscura
Gotta say, you spelt Themyscira wrong. Also, he never really took the time to oversimplify things later, and most of the time where he realizes how little she knows about the world comes after the boat ride. The allied boat in general thing may work out, but it still may take too much time, considering how slow the tugboat would be going. 14 knots ain't much to go 3300 miles.
Well, lets say best case scenario then. What was the fastest boat at the time?
Maston Dane Still would've taken time no matter what type of boat it is. Right?
In early 1900s
Imagine being on a boat with Gal Gadot for two months. I wouldn't complain.
Neither would I my friend neither would I
honestly same
imagine being on a boat with mattpat for two months....
i would explode from knowlage.
You would remember he said that there was no food
@Ethan Fleck Would you eat her when you're hungry or prefer to get eaten by her?
This isn't breaking the theory but Diana is Roman mythology, Artemis is the Greek version of Diana
Thank you thank you myth follower
Yeah, but Diana is the Roman form of Artemis and the Greek gods we’re all killed by Ares in the beginning so they chose Diana, the roman goddess that pretty much copies Artemis, who is the leader of the hunt. And if I remember correctly in one of the mythology’s there are a group of people called the amazons which are like the hunt so it is saying that Diana is like Artemis who leads the hunt who is like the Amazons. This is my guess that makes the most sense to me at least
Artemis/Diana is a hunter who uses bows and knifes and is a eternal maiden (virgin) / man hater and sister of Apollo also this is Greek mythology not roman it is Artemis not diana
Isn't Diana literally the daughter of Zeus?
clap clap clap clap clap
so..... wheres the bow ?
Mat says that Diana is part of Greek mythology:
Me, a history geek: Well actually, Diana was a ROMAN GODDESS and Artemis was the Greek version.
:p
Same
Roman and greek mythology its literally the SAME
@@felop1187 there is some major differences
@@felop1187 like how Athena aint a war goddess anymore
@@felop1187 yeah get your facts straight
Awesome theory. Just a little correction though, you are talking about Turkey in the video while it should of been the Ottoman Empire as Turkey as a country was established after WW1 :) (also the flag is a bit different)
oof
Yea that was really annoying
dangit you beat me to it!
sorry it's just my dada is turkish and hes constanly rambling on about history /_\
@@ghostwas_here Maybe you should express yourself more respectful
THANK YOU
Lol I'm starting to think Wonder Woman might make it if she just swam.
While she sees Sonic.
Here's my theory: What if Ares wanted Diana to get there? What if he wanted her help, like he said when she was trying to kill him? That would explain getting there in one day, and how they were "lucky enough" to get a tugboat!
That's honestly a good idea. this comment is sorta under 'liked' cuz this seems like what would have likely happened. But there are still not evidence to help it out, plus if Zeus was trying to make it hidden (to the ancient Greeks anyway) wouldnt he have placed it in a place outside of the areas that the Greeks has been? And if this was the idea, it could be literally anywhere in the seas. Still good theory and thanks for reading.
And this is just a COMMENT, A COMMENT THEORY _using an over used joke based on the quote of the video's youtuber_ ! Have a great day :>
Professor Bacon sure, but this is a movie where the antagonist is a god. there's probably magic involved
She did not kill Ares she killed Hermes but Hermes is the god of travel and thuggery
...no, Ares killed Hermes, along with all the other gods.
If they made it there by the means of a deity shouldn't the spy have noticed how soon they made it back comparatively to how long it took him to get to Turkey in the first place? Didn't Ares also mention first seeing her in that one room in England? Not sure about that lat one but these are my thoughts
6:35 The closest we'll ever hear MatPat swear 😂
Yeah, he's so wholesome. Like Farkle Minkus.
He got me in the first half
Zeus teleported the boat while the two slept, and when Steve (who at this time is still not entirely convinced on Diana's reality) woke up he resolved that they 'got lucky'. This explanation is actually hinted at in one of the comics as well, through one of Ares' insults that without Zeus, Diana's mission would have inevitably failed. Excellent video as always though MatPat, always love seeing these numbers crunched, no ill will whatsoever, just wanted to bring that little fact to light.
Notserp Zeus is dead in the movie, just wanted to let you know
Oscar Rowley SPOILER ALERT:
Zeus is not really dead, they pull the same plot twist in the comics as well.
Notserp you're a legend for your comic logic. That's not sarcasm, You've earned geek respects
Notserp sorry but not every has watched the movie 35 times
DailyTop5s literally the only part of the comment that is truly in relation to the movie is the part about Steve thinking they "got lucky" which is also mentioned in this video.... I haven't seen the movie once and I knew that part thanks to this video.... the rest of the comment is comic book lore... seriously, context clues honey...
The whole Greece thing isn't much to go on for location. The people of Themyscira are reincarnated souls of women who were killed by men and created by Hippolyta and Antiope. After Ares tried to take over the island and after Hercules and Hippolyta defeated Ares, the Amazonian people DECIDED to base their island on Greece culture when they rebuilt. They adopted Greece culture, they weren't created into it. Greeks were actually enemy's of the Amazonian's. All lot happened with Hercules, who went mad and took over the Amazon island and forced the Amazons to leave their home. The remaining amazons found a new home in what we call the Bermuda triangle. This island became the new Themyscira and guarded by the magic sphere to protect it from new attackers. After that the original Themyscira gets destroyed. This Wonder Women movie takes place at the NEW Themyscira and can be easily found somewhere in the Bermuda. So they literally live next to the USA, weird right? But this doesnt help much since the closest the Burmuda is to England is 5,472 km. They are still screwed. Just saying.
Actually in the Original plot its somewhere between the Aegean dude
the new thymyscyra isnt in Bermuda either but somewhere in MEDITERRANEAN obviously
Mej
This film’s mythology is so loosely based on Greek mythology that you really can’t use actual Greek mythology as evidence. For Christ sake, Ares killed all the immortal gods for some reason. And let’s not forget that Ares is an utter, 100 percent bad guy, despite none of the actual gods being "bad", and the only actual villains were the titans.
Just a question, isn't Hercules Roman? Isn't Hercales the Greek alternative?
When MatPat uploades a theory and you have to go watch the movie just so you can agree with him
Except for when it's wrong *cough* Rogue one *cough* Force Awakens *cough*
AH2002Games well that was before the movie was out in theaters
AH2002Games cough fuck you cough
the great lotfi Real mature, Oscar Neri, he makes other mistakes too; for the Better Call Saul theory, he stated what everyone knew the first episode...
He made you watch a crappy movie XD
5:08 diana is her ROMAN name the GREEK goddess is Artemis.
Finally, someone else who spends their days geeking out over mythology
Which is a different movie.
sophia challoner everyone has commented that
Does that mean she needs a bow and arrow instead of a whip?
Does that mean she needs a bow and arrow instead of a lasso?
The thing is...the island appears randomly in random places
But The German's Plane *Will Not Change*
As Far As That Plane Can Go, Is Italy...
(IF The Island Is Not In Somewhere Near Turkey, *Then The Plane Will NEVER Crash There...*
Sooo Yeah, Unless The Island Is Moving More Faster Than A Jet..... Which Is Impossible..... It's Still No Use 😅)
@@imashadow699 From memory in the comics the island pretty much just magically teleported from place to place. So it's theoretically possible - especially if you assume whatever force moves the island wanted Diana to succeed. But if that's the case the film *really* should have at least mentioned briefly that the island had this capability...
The movie didn’t establish that, though.
So literal teleporting deus ex machina saved the movie, great!
One of the places seems to be in mediterranean climate of near London, as It seems
But wolverine was in World War One
Oh wait wrong universe
CaptianCupcakez!! :D you saw the hishe, I bet. (Shout out to hishe, or how it should have ended, great channel.)
XD
nicholas R. He was also in the June Rebellion
Themyscira is a constantly moving island. Which would explain why it's so hard or impossible for Diana to ever return to the island. The island wouldn't be in the same place it was when she left. Could the islands "mythical" movement (during Steve's capture and interrogation) put Diana closer to London at the time they left sailing? Therefore cutting travel time considerably. I'm really curious about this.
yes but if it were closer to London Steve's plane wouldn't have made it to Themyscira
could it have maybe moved closer to london ? idk i'm still w matpat but tryna give the benefit of the doubt
Doesn't change the fact that the plane would have to land near Themyscria 'somewhere' near Turkey. And from the video we see that the plane landed right on the very brim and edge of its zone of flight. That was the best possible outcuome.
Christopher Friday no, like, he landed on the island when he did while the island was by turkey and it moved super close to london
Christopher Friday *after he got on it - because "it knew" or because of fate/destiny or magic or something idk
Dang matpat for a minute there I thought you were going to remind everyone that the Amazon's were children of ares and their main concern was war
That is true but in the movie context zues is their creator and raised them to avoid war
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't they diana's deciples?
@@Buterballer no I don't think they were but I could be wrong!
@@Buterballer In myths, the Amazons worshipped both Artemis and Ares.
I love how this channel is about science and its real-world applications and implications, yet most of the comments I've seen have basically been, "But Matpat, what about frickin' MAGIC?!?! You didn't think about that did you! Theory disproved!" No, he didn't think about your silly magic boat, and the *theory* (look up theory if you don't know its real meaning) is not disproved.
*muttering to myself* Magic boats...are these people serious?
*Golf Clapping
Thank you. I'm glad that at least one person in this never ending sea of comments understands.
bro chill, it's a comic book movie where a whole war ended because of someone's death. lool you sound so mad
Tyler Whetstone
THE WHOLE MOVIE IS ABOUT MAGIC
Lmao why is magic such a crazy nonsensical idea in the movie where the main character is literally a God
jeduhh I'm not mad at all. I understand that it's just a movie and everyone's opinions are valid (to a point). I just thought the comments were humorous.
Stein Your comment is the kind that I find funny. Yeah, I get that there's a magic lasso and gods and other things, but the fact that everyone is so up in arms about is funny, especially on this channel.
MatPat, what about Poseidon? Maybe he helped them out!
Poseidon is a bitch. Just ask Odysseus.
Lauren Anderson Poseidon is dead
Ares killed all the gods
Is in a prision of America, Morty!
That could have happened. It totally makes sense. However, the movie doesn't mention help from Poseidon or any other sea god. It would have been really easy too. Steve: "I'm not complaining, but how'd we get here so fast?" Wonder Woman: "I prayed to several sea gods to speed us on our way." Steve: "Neat."
but maybe it was magic- maybe the gods were working in their favor, but I guess that doesn't explain it because Steve isn't surprised at how fast they a arrived. and who knows, maybe themiscyra is in a wierd magic almost wormhole like thing
Claireness Punkster that’s what I was thinking
Claireness Punkster ahh Hermes (or Kronos) always speeding things up
I was thinking the same, but you are 100% right. Steve should've been surprised at the sudden change of location.
spoiler:
All the gods are dead except Aries and as we later find out Diana. (at least that is what the "mother" and the other amazons say)
Claireness Punkster not to mention that by DCU canon (if this train wreck of a plot is indeed canon) the entire Greek pantheon is dead.
2:28 She actually says "It's not about deserve, it's about what you believe" She didn't say truth, she said deserve
WTF is that even supposed to mean.... Care to elaborate, I haven't watched the movie since it's release so I might be missing some context
@@tekkengod2120 Ares says something like "humans don't deserve to live" and then WW gives that reply. Basically even if humans deserve to be destroyed after horrible things they've done, she believes they're better than that
@@LilacMonarch -Which is pretty funny considering Ares believes the opposite, and if believing is the deciding factor, he’s just as “right” as she is.
I thought Themyscira is never in one location it was how they stayed hidden from Ares also why Diana may never find her way back home. although the pacing of the movie was off like i felt they cover a vast amount of ground on foot with like no time passing, the film could of used some more transitions to make it feel as time passed. also maybe magic boat?
its the crimean peninsula, the actor is slavic
Even if the island wasn't in the pinpointed coordinates, Steve did started his flight in Turkey, and that puts enough distance for both the plane and the boat.
See my comment. You don't need a magic boat when you have a magic island...
So the island can teleport in an instant and take them exactly to the point they need?
Ponera Grimoire Apparently not, otherwise they wouldn't need to sail overnight. However, it's possible that it periodically changes location (as part of the enchantment making it difficult to find) and was closer to London when they left it.
Diana's mother warns her that if she leaves the island she may never return. This could be an Amazonian rule of law or she could be referring to how difficult it would be to find it again...
You've said the answer earlier on, it's the invisible plane!
So the boat is towed behind the plane?
The boat is the plane
yes it practically could have been true but remember 1918, modern planes werent invented yet.
Dis is ww1
they time travled
*What if Themiscira changes its location every now and then?*
I think this is the answer
Don't read my profile picture oh shit
Don't read my profile picture Sounds about right
or . . . Boats made by magical amazons go faster then ordinary boats.
mikezeitgeist2 exactly!
When watching "Wonder Woman" in theaters I was confused when they went from Diana's home to London over night
What if it was a magical boat? I mean it did come from the amazons.
EpicNinjaPants You truly can find everything on amazon.com , apparently.
I guess we'll never know 😕
EpicNinjaPants that's what I was thinking
Hmm
True but if it were a magic boat then why did it take them a whole day and night to get to London it seams like it'd it were magic it would have taken less time. You know?
It took me 5 seconds to understand the joke at the beginning
Rayan Ghamdi what is it...
I didn't get it
Yeah. Ikr that joke was really
Confused af
Well obviously you enter Themyscira via a wormhole, and when you leave said wormhole, you can be anywhere in the world... like London.
It took me a LONG time to realize this, but MatPat is WRONG! There are two clues that indicate that the boat ride from the island to England did in fact take two weeks! Clue one: Diana falls asleep with her hair knotted in a braid rope, but wakes up with it loose and free-flowing. Clue two: Etta Candy says when she sees Steve that she hadn't heard from him in two weeks. That second one used to confuse me, but the research in this theory explains how that makes sense - he's been on a boat for two weeks and couldn't contact her. THEORY DENIED!
I am copy/pasting this comment as replies all over this comment section so people might see it, this theory is old and no one will see the OP but it's really important here. Apologies for the spam if anyone gets this comment more than once.
Wandergirl108 That makes no sence. What if wteve just untied her hair? And what if he was just gone for two weeks? considering hes a spy he has to have been gone for a while.
+Wandergirl108 They would be sailing 3,300 miles which would take a long time to sail in a Greek ship and that is counting if they even make it out the Mediterranean Sea Because as he said the ship could not change directions it would be more likely if they got stuck on the coast of Italy rather than get out of the Mediterranean Sea If the rare chance they did they would have enough food for the journey and even than they would have more chance of straying off course to London and even if they were on the right course that would have taken more than 2 weeks at best and I am going to trail back to the beginning saying they only have two people on this ship which I think would slow them down even more and to be fair we do not count the journey they took at all like if they were any storms or even tidal waves that prevented them
Wandergirl108 so you are saying steve was in turkey in a single day from london and then two weeks to sail to london from turkey
Wandergirl108
Actually that does make sense, I can see that. But, what about their supplies? The movie didn't show any hint of that.
Nice Theory though, it could indeed be true.
Me: Fokker
Teacher:hey no swearing
Me: saying a plane is swearing?
Diana is a Roman Goddess, the goddess of the moon and hunting. She is the equivalent Greek goddess Artemis. Diana wasn't a greek goddess xD
I suppose since the Romans technically copied the Greek gods, Diana is essentially artemis, but still the statement made towards the beginning of the video is inaccurate.
By the way Mat keep up the good work, love your vids, just thought I would leave some 'constructive criticism ' to correct the slight error made in the vid.
in this case i think he means Diana as in wonder woman, cause that's her real name. It's just coincidence that WW shares the name with the roman goddess
I only mentioned this because between the middle and beginning of the video, he said that her name was shared by a famous Greek goddess. However, I see where you are coming from. Thx for the feedback
oooh sorry my bad
no need to apologise :D, you are still right :D
besides its a very small part of the video it is easy to miss :D
if there's one thing I've learned from superhero films, is that if your name is Steve, never ever go on a plane
More people need to like this. This made me laugh so hard.
Thanks MatPat, you helped me with my English exams through your theories, as in, the way you analyse them gives me a template on how to analyse the stories and poems we're given. I've gotten from a level 5 to a level 7 through watching your videos, so I just want to say thank you
(So many likes, thanks guys!)
NoneThe Less Good Luck with ur GCSEs, they are hell in English to get through, especially cos you are going to sit the new system perhaps
mansi xavier thank you, they're the WORST, the new system is ten times harder!!
NoneThe Less peasant . I got a 9
Hunter Zolomon congratulations on getting a level 9, I hope you feel good about yourself calling a slow learner a peasent
Hunter Zolomon who cares tho? The point is change, not high scores
The original script of the movie had an explanation for the fast travel. They were ment to fly on Steve's plane, because it didn't crash previously. Somewhere along the way writers crashed the plane, replaced it with a boat, and it never crossed their mind again.
This video is just what the true meaning of dancing is
*P R O F E S S I O N A L T U G G I E S*
I was reading some of those comments put in the video and they WERE HORRIBLE. Don't stop doing what your doing!
Matpat: And even her real world name Diana is a reference to one of the most famous Greek goddesses.
People who read Percy Jackson: okay LISTEN
Bruh people who know the names of greek gods are not only crazy-only-one-series-book-readers
TheUltimateKraken no they are
I mean....
ayy
@@gdkraken It's a joke
Don't take it so seriously
HOLY SHIT YES. I'm gonna be honesty Mat Pat, it's been hard to sit through a lot of your videos recently, but this type of video (sticking to pure numbers and facts with no opinions) is my favorite from your channels. Please try to keep this up, I want another golden age of the theory channels
Look, Im greek and all of your theories are true BUT Diana is roman not greek she is just connected with the greek gods for some reason. Anyway good vid.
Karavasg Ωραίος, μαν, αλλά σε προλάβανε.
Phil Zakhar thanks xaxaxa oti na nai 😂😂
hi person who is greek
@@ericaburke2613 hi person
No offense, and I apologize if this is offensive anyway, but aren't most Roman and Greek gods the same, just with different names? Like how the monotheistic religions all have "God", but the names like "Allah" and "YHWH" for Muslims and Jews respectively? Neptune=Poseidon, Mars=Ares etc...
Matpat are you ok because you honestly sound sick of this stuff. I understand though, people hate on you so much it's unreasonable. Hope you feel better buddy. I love your work and you're extremely inspirational. Never stop and don't listen to what those jerks say. I care about you buddy.
X naM ageM Reversed 😃 i liked ur comment
Nashi Dragneel has Honor thanks!
Take this like
X naM ageM Reversed yeah them jerks just jealous because they dumb
X naM ageM Reversed Maybe he is overwhelmed by the amount, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of the criticism is correct.
I am just guessing that most humans have hard time mentally handling the negative feedback since our cynical minds tends to focus on the negative first.
No one else laughed when he said, “The whole Greasy Area”? Just me? Ok...
Made me smile
Isn't Diana a roman goddess? I thought she was the Roman equivalent of Artemis.
I don't even care anymore. The movie already butchered Greek mythology.
Edit: Ok so Diana is the Roman counterpart of Artemis but Wonder Woman is just named after Diana. They are not the same person, got it.
Caedran Rhys Yes. The Diana is the Roman counterpart of Artemis. He seemed to have missed that point. But Diana (WonderWoman) is a made up demigod.
John Michael Ambrocio Thank you I was getting confused!
Yeahh.... I cringe every time people get that mixed up. And I completely agree that Wonderwoman completely messed up their Greek mythology. My friend and I (we both know greek mythology) were laughing every time the movie got it wrong when we saw it in the cinema.
Alright, finally, iI found somebody who agree's. First of all, AMAZON WHERE COMMONLY CHILDREN OF ARES, AND THEY HAD A FLIPPIN MASSIVE ISLAND DEDICATED TO HIM GAURDED BY CROWS THAT THROW THEIR FEATHERS LIKE DARTS. Also, Ares gave them the belt for the Amazon Queen that gifted her great strength. (P.S. POSEIDON HATES ARES HE WOULD NEVER HELP THE AMAZONS!)
Caedran Rhys I thought Diana was the roman counterpart for Demeter
It might of failed us but it's still one of the best DC movie so far
That Brown Guy at least it is still better than x-man origins which dc somehow hasnt pulled of the pedestal as the worst major superhero movie
Well it had basically no competition since both suicide squad and BvS were huge flops
That Brown Guy really even better then dark night
Timo Roozen
Lol isn't x-men apart of marvel
says something about the rest doesn`t it?
To be honest, I could care less if anything in your videos might be wrong (Even though personally I agree with nearly all of your videos). I'm just here to watch really interesting videos that over-analyze movies, games and TV shows we love because it's entertaining and puts your brain to work. MatPat isn't a supergenius, he's a theorist. Nobody should be able to tear him, or anyone down because there opinion differs from someone's own. Ignore the hate MatPat, 5 million people would have to disagree with them. ;)
Hail Giratina The true god These videos are interesting and entertaining but if we're fed false information, the value of the video goes through the floor. We're also here to learn about our favourite games or movies, false information doesn't help that. Not sure about his video yet, haven't watched it yet.
could i say one thing? why does his videos have to be correct? It's a theory after all, you either accept it or you dont, heck it's a fictional movie so it wont happen in real life you may even add, again it's for fun. most of the time theories arent even accurate so if youre convinced then you agree with the theory if not then you dont case close
well lets be fair. The film/game theorists is all about how to use science and facts to explain something a game/movie presents to us. This is not supposed to be his opinion, it is supposed to be factual so if his videos are "wrong" as you say, what is the point in watching them? The reason some people "tear him... down" is because he is objectively wrong, not subjectively.
While I agree about not putting down people for their opinions, the people were pointing out facts he got wrong which irritated those viewers. They weren't doing that because they didn't like his opinion.
why do you assume his fan base is little kids? I am a long time fan and see most of "criticism" as hate, because it's literally just calling him names and making fun of him instead of pointing out what is wrong with the theories or research.
According to the old movie ,wonder woman's home was in the devil's triangle
Soo... How's German's OLD Plane Can Get There ,, All The Way From Turkey 😅?
Bermuda
Magic is the answer to everything
Even to life? XD
sylvia queen slay gameing yes
a wizard do it
lolgaming_girl hi
To.
lolgaming_girl hi i
Matpat failed us,
Doctor who part three hasn't been released
Yet
XoX sonic mania sonic 2 bonus video came faster and i bet half life 3 to
Osvaldo Correa ikrrr but I think doctor who is too complex to theorize about its just to convoluted and such a long running series with so many different writers and doctors which causes overlaps and Fallacies in the plot and cannon
Osvaldo Correa yEt
Oh, he's failed us on ALOT more occasions..
Congrats matpat you started a vid with an actual joke not a pun
awesome TH-camr Ma I didn't get it
jojo cortes he did a rule of 3's joke
jojo cortes that trick is so old, can also mean that girl/woman is so old
jojo cortes i dint get it either
jojo me neither
7:08 Steve's not an idiot. He knew he wasn't making it the whole way to London on a tank of gas.
Me in 2021 knowing that in the new Wonder Woman 84 movie, Steve spoiler spoiler spoiler a jet aircraft the whole way around the world and back on a tank of gas.
They should have used the invisible jet.
it presumably wouldn't exist in ww1. its possible in ww2, which is where the tv show was set, but even then it was top-level tech.
it not exist in 1914.........
#movielogic
Nicolas Arnold r/whoosh
So true
MatPat you forgot that the possibility that they might be mythical ships. The Phaeacians in the Odyssey had ships from the gods that could go anywhere in one day! If that were the case this would be possible. :)
QUOTE WIKIPEDIA:
The Phaeacians possessed remarkable ships. They were quite different from the penteconters, the ships used during the Trojan War, and they were steered by thought. King Alcinous says that Phaeacians carried Rhadamanthus to Euboea, "which is the furthest of any place" and came back on the same day.[4]
There is a comment battle above about the "mythical" ship
It's not a magic ship. It's a magic island. Themyscira has the ability to teleport to any location or time period its inhabitants desire.
That would be pretty clever, though Snyder should have communicated such a possibility better in the movie.
They use the same teleporter as they use in Game of Thrones. ie its a plot device to stop the film stretching to 4 hours of useless time period where the characters move from one place to another.
cgarrand08 steve already said there was a tugboat so no that aint it
But...... Diana is a roman version of Artemis
Ikr it’s weird that she’s Greek not Roman
I thought Diana was Athena
Sillysaurus YT Minerva is Athena.
yessss!
blackdragon _441 thank you!!
Whether theories age well or not I love watching them because there was still time and effort and until proven wrong you usually do a great job at convincing me of your theories or if they’re proven correct or blows my mind because it’s all so well done
1) Themyscira isn't in a static location. This is hard to understand - but it exists wherever the Gods want it to exist.
2) Movie obviously does a bad job of telling us, since they start off with "The Gods are Dead," but Diana, like other Demi-Gods, has the favor of the Gods wherever she goes. Poseidon would simply crack his knuckles and change the seas for her. And no. Ares did not kill Poseidon (as much as Hippolyta would like us to believe that).
At the beginning it says that Ares killed Poseidon in the DCEU, not in other universes.
Makes sense. Mat is possibly right when it comes to science and of the sort. But he didn't include Greek Mythology which totally changes everything. Of course Im not sure if it mentions stuff like that though. :/
Also your quote Croecho "since they start off with "The Gods are Dead," but Diana, like other Demi-Gods, has the favor of the Gods wherever she goes." " It makes no sense, the gods are dead yet she gets help by the gods. What does that mean? She has the powers of such?
What if the island exists beyond the mortal plain of reality and can be anywhere on earth at different times as it was used by the gods to house their protectors of humanity which means they are close to the biggest conflict in the world
James Suffolk woah...
My brain....
As I pointed out some *three months* ago Hippolyta states that Themyscira can be anywhere and anywhen the Amazons want it to be.
Could be, kinda like the Olympus in Percy Jackson, but then why/how did Chris Pine's plane end up there?
HailG3 Fate dude, just like Percy Jackson
What I don't get about this movie is that the movie revolves around Greek Mythology, and yet her name is Roman. The goddess Diana is a Roman God and her name in Greek is Artemis, so how come she is called Diana?
Does this really matter for the theory?
ariana.shelton7649 its kinda like how apollo and helios get confused with from time to time
Because she was named Diana in the comics. That being said it's no surprise if certain Greek characters both real, myth and fictional at any given time period would have Roman names. Considering the Greeks themselves have intermingled with Romans in the past both in real life and in fiction. Take for example Appolonia of the first Godfather movie. When they first described her to her father they mentioned she seemed more Greek than Italian. So if a half Greek half Italian could live in Sicily then it wouldn't be a surprise if Diana of Themyscira had Roman blood or if Hippolyta just liked the name.
If you want to get that much into it, the Amazons weren't even Greek. Not in mythology, not in real life. Mythology puts their origins either in Lybia, or in present-day Ukraine. The Scythian women whom the Greeks most likely based the Amazons upon lived in the latter area.
This is just another case of pop-culture diluting and mixing things together.
ariana.shelton7649 i have a question for you, which name sounds better? Diana does, shes a character BASED on the goddess artemis, they mustve thought it would be funny to give her, her Roman name just for fun, who knows? Sure the name is wrong but its based on artemis, how do i know? What names do they use for the other gods? Ares, zeus, and the others which are all the greek version because if it were to be Roman, Ares wouldve been called Mars
You forgot one more best case scenario, Daina been a half god or god magically helped them reach London in time
Reginald Asare like while she was sleeping? Or?? Also its been insinuated that Themyscira is located within the Devil’s Triangle.. and there are a few. Also there are indications in ww comics they were advanced with their ancient technology so maybe they developed their boats? Or a fun way they could have used would be to use the gods as a way to transport them from within the triangle to wherever it is they need to go. At least you can create your own theories out of that, that might make more sense
I’m just teasing a bit! I wish they would be more creative with this kinda thing
She used her godly power of super convenient bad scriptwriting :)
3:06
.....it is so basic that it’s unforgivable.......
*cracks egg*
Katherine Poole o
**egg avalanche**
There should be a theory on Mr. Krabs's wife from Spongebob
Pastel Witch, I mean a theory on how a crab and an unknown mother can have a whale for a daughter.
Maiah Davis Adoption
YYYEEEESSS
Maiah Davis yes
didn't the creator of spongebob debunk the crab meat theory?
Maybe the island had an enchantment so that those leaving would get where they want to go after passing through the bubble. The gods are dead, but obviously magical enchantments still exist (the bubble concealing Themyscira). In addition, the island shifting position would explain how nobody found it after so long.
yeah i was thinking that it would kinda be like nonexistent in the real world and it would basically be able to go any where on earth so when you leave you can go where you need to
If I don't mistaken, it's the same thing in the comics.
Cybertronian that'd be very similar to Calypso's island from the mythology
SuperPunMaster It's just my theory. A FILM THEORY!
It's just a plausible theory that could explain the timeline of the movie, it's not necessarily true.
I like this idea a lot, but if Steve's crash range was still about the same, how quickly would the island have to 'shift' to actually get them near enough to England, not including geographical luck (to an extent) and the amount of weather disturbances that could cause (which you could chalk up to magic as well, I suppose, since there's literally a magical bubble) as the island would literally be leaving a vortex of air disturbances and water as the island dissapears or shifts or whatever it does. At best (as in, best for humanity's future) it'd maybe create some large waves or a whirlpool with the water. I'm not sure though. The wording's kinda important. I never read the comic, just watched the animated film when I was a kid, so I'm not sure whether Théo's comment was referring to 'shifting' or 'teleportation' as how it went down in the comic, but that would definitely effect how the movie turned out. Also, even with the idea of teleportation, unless we're going by the 'geographical will' theory comment the chances that they'd teleport close enough to England are slim, and if the island was shifting it'd have to be moving pretty fast since it's, well, a giant island and water resistance is still a thing. Idk there's a lot of holes in this, but I think this is my favorite counter-theory in the comments yet. Perhaps if we went off the idea of geographic will (so if they just exited the magical bubble and appeared at a magical coordinate or at a coordinate they consciously or subconsciously willed the magic to drop them off at) this would certainly be a plausible idea, though probably not the right one. So please add on your ideas!!
And off topic from this idea, I'm pretty sure in the animated version the gods were Roman, and Diana is the roman goddess of the hunt as well as being greek I'm pretty sure. Correct me if I'm wrong though, since I'm running solely off of caffeine as I've been pulling all-nighters for school and really don't have the brain power to cross-reference the animation/comic/movie/mythology.
WWII exist
Wonder woman: igh just gonna head out
Do I really have to be that guy? Guess so... Mat wants to be so accurate (just criticism, love ya mat)... But, (at 7.57) That isn't a duck... It's a Baby Goose, also known as a gosling, likely a Canada Goose Gosling... Just needed to point that out... Sorry comments section (and mat)
TheBirdNerd hey atleast you aren't saying mean stuff to him
He is literally one of my all time favorite youtubers, he just does everything so well.
MattPat can NEVER please this comment section
EmeraldMusic well said
The whole point of the theorist community is that we overthink things. The first thing we want to do when he comes out with a theory is poke holes in it, because that's the fun part. He pokes holes in movies, we poke holes in his holes. That's what makes this community great.
MatPat, we may constantly dissect your theories, but that just means they're good enough to merit our dissection. We love them and we love you! (in a strictly platonic way, of course)
What do you call it when a rhetorical question is crossed with a joke?
*leaves
hlua lagk I don't like you.
Logan Smith Cool.
Thanks for the view :>
You're edgy
3:55 Mat, I’m pretty sure he failed more than just geography in school
2:14 It's unfair to be mad at Charlie's (The Marksman) inability to shoot since in the movie he has PTSD which makes sense why he couldn't bring himself to shoot. It is an interesting choice that they brought him along for the journey (in the writer's part), I personally liked the character.
MatPat seems really passive aggressive against the movie from what i can see.
HDcoded DSG it's a half assed film unfortunately
HDcoded DSG He's not mad at the marksman guy, he's mad that they didn't give him any character arc.
I agree HDcoded DSG
I think the purpose of Charlie was just another means of showing Diana's compassion. Charlie had the choice to leave but stays simply because Diana complimented his singing.
Not even gonna touch on the fact that Doctor Poison was an ancestor of the Joker and the gas she planned to release was a beta version of Joker's gas. In one of the ending scenes we can see that when Doctor Poison's mask falls off and what looks like a joker smile. The first laughing gas was used in 1799 but wasn't used anytime in world war one. The director of wonder-woman herself describes her as someone "who has had all kinds of damage in her life". Mental diseases have been known to be hereditary; and that's most likely what Patty Jenkins meant when she said that. Since this movie is revealed to be a backstory, this could definitely be a relative to joker. Jack Napier is the jokers real name. Napier is a Scottish name. For a small amount of time there was an immigration from Scotland to Spain. Doctor poison is Spanish and could potentially be from Spanish and Scottish descent. The name was also very popular in New York, which is where Scottish and Irish Immigrants landed and stayed. Jokers fist name being jack is obviously an american name. My theory is that doctor poison's mom moved from scotland to spain and had two kids. One being poison and the other being a second child. This second child moved to america and married someone. The mental insanity transferred from The mom to her two daughters
Jack Napier is an alias, he has used many of them over the years and Jack Napier has actually never shown up completely in print only in the Tim Burton movie.
Chip Gaming Imahine if it truely was like joker gas and you just saw people laughing like crazy and you see a woman with really red hait whos uneffected POISON IVY HAS REACHED US!!!!!!
Chip Gaming from spanish
Chip Gaming I think doctor poison was hired by America because that’s kinda their thing
BUT HEY THATS JUST A THEORY
Not to nitpick, but before ww1, there were no Turkey, it was called Ottoman empire
ImMaxiImHelping VeryHelpfulMaximilian you Americans don't know anything other than yourselves
Efe Açıkgöz well turkey is a reformed ottoman empire so hes not relly wrong
Efe Açıkgöz it's easier for younger audience who still didn't learn this stuff. Plus who cares
Vae Victis I think he was referring to Americans living in the United States rather than us Americans.
Xx_Klemis_xX The truth cares, the truth cares. But I guess you can just believe that the truth doesn't really matter.
Okay, this isn't a hate comment but you got a very small thing wrong. Diana is the Roman goddess, not Greek. The Greek one is Artemis. ( Sorry, I'm a huge fan of Greek mythology )
Same I'm also a huge fan of Greek mythology who is your favourite god
but I mean, didn't the romans just absorb and change the Greek gods once it took over Greece?
@@muddyerbbine6254 that's irrelevant and still doesn't change the point. Two different pantheons of gods and two different cultures. Rome copied elements of Greek religion but still added their own flavor. There are minor differences.
As a real life greek I can confirm
Muddy Erbbine that’s irreverent
Theory. Emoji movie. NOW. Lets hope you ruin it. XD
EDIT: i know that the movie is and will always be crap, but lets be serious, id like to see matpats opinion and theory about it anyway :3
wait... You watch cinima sins too? YEAAA BOII
Moustache__ Daimond You can't ruin what's already shit
I'm pretty sure that Mat has actually said on a GTLive that he actually is working on an Emoji Movie theory, but not in the way we expect. I'm fairly sure, not 100% certain though. I could just be remembering things wrong
titan slayer ha so true
Moustache__ Daimond it ruined itself
Again with the Fokker? Two in one day? :D (refering to the one on the Zelda BotW episode on the game theory channel).
You're one the EDGE today :D
Kidding though, know it's totally coinsidental. Good video though, I was always wondering a little how tf they got there in time. But sure. Other than that I really liked the movie. Best DC movie as of late imo. Have a good one Pat, whatever that means for a theorist ^^
Edit: PS, I also love what you're doing to the editor with random blurts of what should be in the video. A little fun between creator/editor movement going on, it's awesome :D
TOCCL correction best
Dude, the ending to the movie was shitty.
badass10006 _tf2 They are not talking so saying shut up will not work the comment is not making a sound.
I've read some of the comments and just want to point something out. To all those who say that Poseidon could have helped her travel, HE IS DEAD, the say that in the movie that basically all the gods except Zeus and Aries are dead
His works aren't. Case dismissed.
matpat is unique cause 1 he makes fun of things without offending anyone and 2 he entertains me with education and that is hard to do something like that
Hmm FLASH GET OVER HERE and row the boat!!!!
Gotta go fast
gotta go fast sonic cmon anyone born before the year 2005 is thinkin it
VORTRIT YT GOD SPEED for Flash
this name SUUUCCCKKKS I know I am
Can everyone just chill? He's not "attacking" Snyder he's making a joke, y'know, comedy. This was a fun little theory, he said he liked the movie, he's not doing this to be spiteful. It's a comedy video, with educational THEORY. Theories in case you've forgotten, are not necessarily true or fact. I personally loved this episode as with all your content, keep up the good work Matpat and the team
Wolf Girl22 People seem to have completely forgotten humor and the very point of this channel as of late and are looking for any excuse to attack. I've honestly stopped reading comments in Game Theory videoes, just wanted to look at this too for confirmation.
Because most of the DCEU fans are tired of the bashing and the fact that they're being compared to Marvel when they got almost nothing in common.
And the fans of Snyder are tired of the bashing of a guy who just try to make his work.
And when you REALLY know how the cinema industry works, the bashing becomes worst.
well... theories are true and fact in science after all, its a theory until it gets debunked, technically meaning all theories are true
The theory isn't the thing to be 'not chill' about in this one.
Nor is the 'Snyder bashing conform the tone of the channel'... agreed.
The bashing of comment-section though...........
different story.
The 'if you are one of the very few who actually bring up something that isn't flat out terrible, it is of approximately 'this easy to disprove'-quality', yeah not a fan.
On the other hand
Bringing up how unlikely it was they would find a tugboat to get a ride from....
while for the purposes of the theory, completely irrelevant, as the fact that it could have (unlikely but possible) and is shown it did happen, so no impact what so ever.
as an excuse to bring up more interesting stuff like:
what kind of speeds and numbers are we talking about with boats from that era?
Stuff like that, that's nice
So wouldn't Steve going to high altitudes and blowing up poisonous gas kill everyone? You know cause it would spread? Or did i miss something?
If you paid attention to the movie they said the gas was Nitrogen based and highly combustible. Hence why Steve blew up the plane. The explosion was caused by the gas itself as it combusted. If you look closer to the beginning (just shy of an hour) of the movie you will see the Dr testing her new improved gas on just a mask in a small chamber. When it is proved to work she ignited a spark plug of sorts and the gas combusted, thereby destroying itself.
Does that clear things up?
just say "Matpat isn't right because of weird and complicated crap"
You missed something. They said that the gas, though extremely poisonous, was flammable. So if you light it all on fire, it's all gone.
Also, poison is a matter of concentration. Gas deployed at Verdun didn't kill people who were kilometres away. At that altitude, rests of the gas might even have spread enough to hardly kill anyone once they touched the ground.
GlazedHamRiot Thanks for the correction it is appreciated. It was after 6 am and I had slept 2 hours over the last 3 days. So tired af. But still smarter that the guy who was dumb enough to ask the question in the first place....XD.
Stop saying complicated stuff, thanks to physics, and matpat, they couldn't be there to do that.......
"The truth is that it's not about what they 'deserve'. It's about what you believe..."
Slight misquotation, MatPat.
*Major* misquotation. The whole point was that Diana faced the truth that mankind was warlike and flawed and in response chose to believe that we could be better than that if given a chance. She wasn't saying anything even close to "truth is what you believe".
Cinema Sins is notoriously bad for missing the point. If you ever find yourself making the same point as them, it's worth giving it a closer look and trying to figure out what you may have missed.
@@irrevenant8724 -True, but I think matpat’s and cinemasins’ point was that the theme in general sucked, they didn’t care how it was worded. And I’d have to agree, while on the surface that statement holds a lot of meaning and sounds really powerful, it’s really not. That statement only applies to “good” guys. If belief is the key factor, which it is Diana, then Ares is just as justified if he believes humans are bad.
@@1_atlas_7 Arguably, sure. Is it unrealistic to hope that things can be better and fight for that? Is it more realistic to see the darkness and give into it? Maybe. And maybe not. It's a matter of what principles you choose to live your life by. That's the point.
Ares believes humanity is bad and deserve to be destroyed. Diana believes humanity can be better and are worth trying to save. Either of them could be right - maybe both are. Of the two, Diana's path is the only one that could potentially end up with a better world rather than a worse one. Especially as she's willing to fight for it.
Do you believe the future can be changed and work towards that? Or do you give up before you begin? You can equally justify either.
@@irrevenant8724 -Yeah, definitely understandable and a little optimism is always good.
Mat I am a Greek my self, I don't know if you had ever been in Greece, but our islands are not even close to the climate of the island in the movie, my theory is that the island is something like the "LOST" series and teleports in time and space, mentioning that every single island of Greece in that period was habbitant. Please notice me senpai
He had proof to debunk your theory
In the movie the climate outside of the island's border was very much different from the inside
harris spartan it is a island where there is a God, do you think that would be a normal island?
harris spartan he was saying Greece used to look like that you with no research
I bet you don't even live in Greece
@Pug money Geography doesnt change that quickly. It takes millions and millions of years for terrain to change significantly. Greece today looks basically the same it did during ancient greece
Ruin The Teen Titans but the actual good one the one during 2003 I'm sorry I forgot about teen titans go
Señor Kitty Poof
No.
Yes.
Didnt Geof Jonhs already done that?
3.14 Dragon
NO.
Cartoon Network already ruinded Teen Titans fuck I need matpat to do it fo?
You monster!
Maybe it was a magic boat that was blessed or something to help Diana xD
It was blessed with the power of plot hole