Instrument Panel Analysis | Rivian R1T Teardown
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Carl and Scott analyze the engineering and manufacturing of the Rivian R1T instrument panel (IP). They discuss notable issues, areas for improvement, and commend the best elements of the design.
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Scott and Carl are great together.
Thanks Eric
@@MunroLive They were great. Off topic, but I still wish you guys would have pointed at, and talked about the parts that do the 4 wheel stering on the EQS, cause I don't know the first thing about it. Never had one.
Scott and Carl are both great at contextualizing what they're talking about. I also appreciate how they simplified their takeaways.
This is quickly becoming my favorite TH-cam channel. Maybe in stead of IT, I should have gone into engineering.
That was excellent. Well-articulated points from both of you. Hats off to you guys; you know your stuff and do such good work!
Much appreciated!
Love to see it.
What a team Munro have.
Top of the class.
Man they were trying so hard not to say “this IP costs a pile of money”
Another great video from Munro
It looks like it costs a pile of money
Story time with Carl is always enlightening, thanks guys.
Carl is sounding more like Sandy all the time.😉 Thanks for the corporate insight.
When a cut is needed in a wood detail, it is often better to highlight it as a feature instead of making a failed attempt to hide it, like create a break line with the chrome material instead.
nice work. i learn 50 new things every time i watch a tear-down video.
That's why we're all here.
Scott is very articulate and level. Love the explanations.
We agree!
People working at Munro are amazing!
🤗THANKS CARL AND SCOTT…for your analysis 😎😍😍😍
Scott is another Munro asset. Thanks for rephrasing, detailing and taking time to educate us.
These two work well together.
Very interesting to watch and listen to Carl and Scott’s comments. At the end, they articulate well the problem with trying to make the design process foolproof by codifying “best practices” and requiring future designs to conform to these rules of thumb.
Super appreciative of these free Community College style courses every week.
Thanks Carl and Scott for your in depth and informative analysis of the Rivian IP and for pointing out the new innovations like the flexible ductwork that should help eliminate many of the squeaks and rattles in the dash that most of my vehicles in the past have had.
Thank you both for the great video 👍
Our pleasure!
These guys are good at bouncing off of each other and are a good team.
Keep'em coming. Another excellent video.
More to come!
Thanks guys, great video.🙂
Carl could talk for hours about a pencil and it wouldn't get boring at all! 😍
Best breakdown section so far! I had no idea this could be made so interesting… their experience and the actually meaningful comparisons to Tesla and legacy designs are what makes the difference. Great job.
Thanks
I posted a couple of videos recently about my own R1T on my channel, from an owners perspective - focusing on details that are not so much talked about. I was surprised to see how much interest there is in this truck at this point, didn’t expect 10thousand(s) of views in a week or two! th-cam.com/video/1BPEyeF6flE/w-d-xo.html
Thank you!
I love these little rants at the end😂😂👍👍👍
Awesome content! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching.
Very interesting stuff great team.
Glad you think so!
The detail in that film was insane. Treasure!
Superb!
Thanks a lot!
I wonder about the life of the foam duct. Located where it is exposed to the heat from the top cover of the IP, how long will that foam live before it begins to degrade? I've seen foam parts that don't last ten years.
Master and apprentice. Excellent
Love the war stories at the end!
What a good team ,
I.P. - Impressive Presentation.
I like Rivian’s “Ocean Coast” interior theme the most. The white leather with an unstained natural wood.
Forensic engineering is quite entertaining, it turns out.
THANKS4GIVING
That foam vent was eye opening. I'm building a custom racecar now from a Fiat 500 and have some issues with the IP reinstallation conflicting with the roll cage, so I may use some foam tubing to get around that. The current HVAC vent system is actually all plastic welded to the underside of the carrier so it's going to be a pain to remove without fatal damage.
17:20 I'd expect the soft ducting to have better thermal insulative properties, more tolerant installation parameters as well as the weight reduction.
Yes, for sure, it's not going to waste heat inside the dash, it will be more efficient in delivering the heat (or cooling) where the driver directs it. Definitely top of mind on an EV.
also quieter, easier to install, easier to deal with repairs
luv em fellas
Great video..... love this series.. cant wait for more of it.
Regarding the fasteners on the dash.. the Rivian had too many.. Tesla had 6. Tesla is a bit known for having squeaks and rattles in there interiors.. The Rivian is going to be used off road.. tossed around.. LOTS of vibrations and hard hits. Maybe that's why they used the number of fasteners.. You have a premium priced truck.. people HATE.. squeaks and rattles .. and in the dash area in particular.. its really annoying and not easy to fix after the fact.
Excellent! I love watching these breakdowns!
More to come!
this is very informative. Can you guy or do you have an in depth review on the under panel for a runner board where it can be hook up with out risking damaging the battery.?
Great job guys!
Thanks Eric
Great video, very professionally done and the high level of knowledge base of these two individuals is obvious.
Much appreciated!
What a freaking amazing first vehicle by Rivian. Bravo! Really hope to get my R1S by year’s end. First Lightning Pro for my business getting picked up Wednesday. Exciting times in the auto industry
Interesting, glad to see Rivian did a first good attempt at their IP design& build... but, as mentioned, hope not so high-end/complex they can't make money.
I have relatives still waiting on delayed delivery, w/ Ocean Coast white-tone interior and wood... apparently some issue w/ the light-color wood trim... any ideas on that? Maybe about the joins or those curve-forms? or just supplier?
Relative wishes they'd just match whiter seats/interior w/ any other color wood that works, don't care so much about matching color theme, just want the truck!!
RE: the wood staining/color IS different with the different interiors, in fact from my understanding, the ocean coast interior is causing them grief , as the staining is taking differently on the different pcs. of wood.
My take away from watching Munro videos - I now see so many things that bug me that I would have never seen before.
Hi,
Thanks Carl and Scott for the great video again.
Could you please check the Gear Tunnel construction as well. It's been a while I have been waiting that would be greatly appreciated to see what materials they have used in there. Thanks again
The clamshell styrofoam ducts to get around tolerance and noise/vibration/harshness issues aren’t exactly a new idea. I have a 1963 Studebaker which uses a flocked cardboard material, which is what contemporary technology could do, to accomplish the same goals. What I wonder is how well the styrofoam will hold up over time. I have seen a similar looking foam material like that used on loudspeaker cone suspensions which disintegrates to powder over time due to being attacked by air borne bacteria. That would not be a good material choice for air ducts.
Agreed.. but there are SO many composite versions of these materials that can be constructed like this these days.. I have to assume they chose one that is tested for this application to last a minimum of 20 years before any significant deterioration in even the harshest environments. If not.. will prove out to be a poor design and kinda ruin some customer satisfaction and perceived quality of this new company.
@@airheart1Thanks for the reply. I was thinking all;g the same lines: that hopefully this type of structural foam material has been tested for longevity. In general, I have been impressed with what I have seen in the videos of the R1-T so far. The R1-T looks like it has been designed for maintainability, not just making it the least expensive to assemble product possible. It makes sense for the R1-T to be easy to repair because the R1-T is meant for use in environments where it will be knocked around and more likely to need occasional minor repairs.
@@wtmayhew it’s a bit of a gamble with a new vehicle design made by an entirely new company that’s never delivered any product previously.. but they’re smart people.. they learned a lot of lessons watching Tesla.. hopefully they get it all right long term.. but there is a bit of a gamble with them for next couple years
@@airheart1 Thanks for the reply. I agree with your observation.
Scott, does that aluminum beam originate as an extrusion, or sheetmetal prior to hydroforming?
I finally understand why the starship Enterprise’s IPs explode when they’re hit by weapons fire: giant squibs!
When my daughter was young I told her
"Never be afraid to ask. "Why?", or "how?"..."
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I'll bet those two words are used more in Tesla than elsewhere.
Great video from Carl & Scott, I must have watched all the Munro videos to date and I believe that Munro and Associates must have the knowledge and expertise to build a cost effective reasonably priced EV with a partner eg Tesla - the world needs car that most people can afford - most of the cars torn down are 50k + Chinese companies are working round the clock on this I would bet!
Don't take me wrong, To make comments and suggestions over an already designed vehicle is easy. To build a vehicle from scratch is a different monster. Regards!
That is why Sandy invested in Aptera! Very promising future with mobility solar!
So I looked for that seam on the woodgrain dash panel and it’s not visible at all. The dash panel completely covers it.
Rivian‘s philosophy is not to build junk. Engineered to both work and last. Now make it more efficient to make a profit.
Facts. Everyone in here that keeps comparing to Tesla must love a poorly built vehicle.
@@smallbusinessdreams
Only if you buy a Fremont car with suspect American workmanship.
China sorted the build quality
Germany sorted the ride
Now let's see if Texas can copy them?
@@rogerstarkey5390 why is the American built Tesla junk whereas an American built Rivian is quality? Clearly nothing to do with cultures
16:40 wouldn't the riveted HVAC whistle? why not use adhesive tape?
VERY WELL DONE GUYS.... I really like where these Munro Live videos are going and the level of detail they contain. Thanks so much for taking us along with you in this adventure. And Cory... I am subscribed... LOL
More to come!
Maybe one advantage Tesla has is the ability to think out of the box , and not being hogtied to old way of design and thinking? " They dont know what they dont know ", as your excellent employee there says.
Question what do you do with the car parts after disassembly?
Most of their part's are from contracts under NDA's so they can't sell them and if their storage bins get to full they have to throw them out.
They actually made a video about it 😃
@@dusselElite This vehicle was bought on the open market. This shouldn't fall under a NDA.
@@smallbusinessdreams Yes, they sold some parts of the Model Y and maybe they will do this for the Rivian too.
So cool , that's the glove box riddle explained. There some room in there height wise but really not much depth available, would be a smallish glove box if there was one , so why bother with the extra expense of it and ruining the styling lines in the process.
so is that real wood? i get that it was back molded but is it wood veneer or some composite that looks like wood?
Kudos to Rivian - they have a truck on the market with a great looking IP - needs some work to optimize and reduce cost, and I am sure they'll get there
Totally agree
Looks high end and far better than Tesla from the drivers view, but complicated and expensive. Agreed that they'll get there in the end
Completely agree. Most reviews and analysis say that Rivian didn't cut corners. It's better to build a solid vehicle first and then learn where to trim back than produce a low quality vehicle now and fix it later. Go Rivian!
Too expensive IP, Rivian does not make it's own parts. need to be more like TESLA China w/ 90% made in house.
Rivian can't SCALE or ramp Production.
Rivian may go BUST in 2024.
As a wood worker when you have a n issue sometimes celebrate rather than cover up the booboo. We use a "bowtie" or cricket to cover imperfections.
Fairly new to this channel, Only started watching due to the Rivian R1T content. So not quite sure if this is a American vs Aussie thing or a Industry vs Layman terminology thing, but when I clicked on the video I was expecting a breakdown on the Gauges/what was displayed on the screens, not a video on what the Dash was made out of and the complexities of the manufacturing processes.
Like awesome video and I'm sure that I just learned a heap, it just wasn't what I was expecting, lol.
Looks very Lincoln like.
Do they make these very expensive trucks mouse proof as one single little mouse can totally disable the truck or make a nest in the cab fresh air system
I see the ECU and CGM under the right hand side of the dash, are those able to be removed without pulling the full dash off like you did?
Oh, IP is not Intellectual Property 😂 It makes so much more sense to me now. 🤭
That 12v disconnect unit is definitely Penske material
I don’t think it’s that the studio designers didn’t talk with the engineers-from the dash pad, it’s clear that’s happening. I wish you guys would talk more about the compromises that the whole team of designers, engineers, and product managers knowingly make in order to achieve the final result rather than assuming incompetence of any one individual.
Lol they are the leading experts in their fields.. They clearly know what they are talking about..!
Share some, " how to" teardown for us mechanics. Those actuators, connections,and switches will need our hands replacing them sooner or later. 😀
The wood is both awesome and insane. Each vehicle is a cost leader. Unless they raise prices, they will go bankrupt
Prices were already raised 15k. Rivian is fine.
@@smallbusinessdreams even 15k is not enough
Lots of comparisons with Tesla, but lets remember that the Rivian is a truck and is meant to go on rough terrain sometimes. For that you need things to be more robust. For example the number of attachment points to keep stuff from shaking loose over time.
Or, AKA "Points of failure"?
I've been following the Rivian teardowns and find them fascinating. Since software is at least 50 percent of the functionality of the Rivian (and perhaps of many other vehicles), is Munro & Associates planning to reverse engineer ("tear down") the software as well? One could do a similar quality, cost (development and maintenance cost), and safety analysis on it. Doing so would have real meaning to auto manufacturers generally.
"....to automakers"
Especially VW.. (Based on recent reports?)
Can you guys make a mock up of an IP like made from wood or 3d printed? Or is Tesla IP the benchmark?
Just looking at the cross car beam tells you a lot.
I owned a 1999 PowerBook G3 from Apple. I used the hell out of that computer. One of the great things about it was the matte finish that was used on it’s non touch screen. Sadly, my 2013 MacBook PRO was built with the glossy screen. The matte finish was non glare and fingerprint and dust hiding! The matte finish should be used in all Automotive Touchscreens or LCD Displays! Why do people ignore the glare?
One of the best videos to come out of Munro, especially the legacy 'standards' discussion.
Heej incredible Carl is back again and Scott, who shouldn't inhale Helium before talking.....amazing job buys...
Where is my flat black paint! I am driving, not being in an art center.
I wish I had the sense to buy the 35k model 3 or the Rivian. Now can’t lock in a price when you reserve one. At least some of you got a great price. same for CT no one is going to get one for under 60k
I like that you challenged the status quo where did the standard come from you should look up about saline solution no one actually got it approved by the FDA back in the 80s use someone question. You should look it up
What about discussing the screen and computer boxes
There will be another video that digs into the electronic stuff.
Maybe Rivian is not making money on editions they have to deliver prior to price increase? Now that that price is $15,000 more ( beyond first reservation holders and deposits)they might make money.
22:50 Unnecessary old requirements are a bane for me and many other engineers. In an Everyday Astronaut interview a few months ago, the head of Tesla/SpaceX said that requirements must have a living person to defend them.
Hi , Thank you very much for again a great video !! if I may, you are keeping comparing Rivian's design with Tesla's one but Tesla is not THE reference in terms of build quality (even though they improved a lot, they are still far from the quality you would expect for a $120K+ tag price !! Rivian may put more clips or screws than necessary but everyone so far is adamant, the build and the feeling of quality is there while we can't say the same for Tesla. As an end user that is what is important and that's why I did not buy a Tesla ..yet
watching Munro tear down these ev's with all the complexity give me shivers,,, I have a hell of a time keeping my computer running ,,,, how the hell are you going to repair these complex cars..... God just give me a simple little efficient ev that I can keep operating and is affordable
I for one do not need all the cheese cake
Carl and Scott make a good team.They come from different perspectives and the result is a nice balanced view of the engineering on display. Again, if the Cybertruck wasn't a "thing", there would very likely be a Rivian in my garage. That said, my willingness to wait for the CT says a lot about my faith in Tesla to make a truly remarkable vehicle. It is Musk's "signature vehicle" and I'm confident that it will meet or exceed all my expectations. Back to the Rivian ... :-)
2 questions: 1. Does it have obd2 port? 2. Where are the speakers that make noise at low speed? Please let us know 😎
You to are awesome together. Scott, just go ahead and say it…Carl maybe a little OCD when it comes to IP’s…lol
why does it say penske?
Overcomplicated with a small central display to be really profitable/enjoyable.
Well at least he didn’t say parts of the seat are leather over and over when it’s clear they are vinyl and listed as such.
"Back Filled Injection Molded" parts = In Mold Decoration. Common practice to make plastic not look like plastic.
Complexity of parts and components is staggering. Terrific analysis 🧐 Huge opportunities for simplifying and cost avoidance.
Yeah, but you have to be careful going down that road of cutting corners, because you'll come out the other side with a cheap product. If you notice, most things on this truck are over built and over done.. and I think that's a good idea on your first go around. You can always refine and squeek out more profit on later iterations. But you can't ever go back in time to make something better if it turns out that you made something too weak. That stain will follow you and being a new company, that's a terrible idea. I think they did good.. This is a nice truck.
24:00 across all industries and people. this is the easy and lazy way to get through a day or job. however, younger and hungrier people would want things to get better. That immediately reminded me of China. While China makes a lot of huge glaring issues on their products, and they are learning, they cut design inefficiencies and make products more affordable with durability/reliability just enough to last until next upgrade.
So thats why Telsas are a rattle box. Not enough fasteners, good to know.
Ooooo...
An "expert"
🙄
They completely went over the top with small details in the car. It's a ute. A simple cheap textured hard plastic dash would have been fine.
The more i see of Rivian, the more I think this is a very nice, well built, and *expensively* built vehicle. You could say nasty things about Tesla and the quality of the interior treatments, (I don't, personally) but you can tell that there is a HUGE difference in cost effectiveness. This truck will not make Rivian any money as is. If they can get away with charging something like 50% more, they can succeed, otherwise they won't last long.