The Rivian Returns! R1T Body in White
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Jordan and Scott discuss some unique findings in the body in white of the Rivian R1T.
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Nicely done, Scott and Jordan. Very informative, with the right amount of explanation for non-engineers. Not sure if you work from a loose script and practice the hand-offs -- you probably don't have time for that -- but the flow and interplay are terrific. Props to the camera person for keeping it steady, properly aimed, and in focus. All of that is not easy when the guys are crawling around the vehicle and pointing out shiny items at different distances. This is one of the best tear-down videos I've seen.
I would have to say Jordan and Scott make an excellent tag team. It is good to see them present the well executed design/engineering choices as well as those that could be "better executed" to put it kindly. Gold star for you guys!
It shows there isn't the usual accountant interference normally taken to the point of overall total control, to the detriment of the product, but they need a LITTLE more "interference", or Rivian may not succeed. The most important thing is cost comparison analysis between different options &/or how easily different manufacturing options are to change out, further down the road if problems occur.
The more I watch Munro, the less likely I am to buy something that I cant see in the this detail. I love to see the build quality on something that no one not even a mechanic let alone the consumer would ever see. Thank you guys for posting these reviews, the manufacturing side of the product is awesome, like a more nerdy How its Made.
More importantly, if Munro aren’t taking it apart, it’s so aged in its design it’s probably not worth considering.
Nobody wants a VW Golf benchmarking anymore. 😂
Interesting point. 20 years ago I looked inside a crash damaged Audi A4. The design was state of the art in its day that filtered down to todays Golf etc.
I was stunned by the amount of bolts holding the Bulkhead/A post/dashboard together. It was solid enough but a huge weight in fasteners alone. Not to mention the factory labour to install everything.
My “cheap” little Fiat is 10 years old has a tubular steel fabrication behind the bulkhead which seriously stiffens the A post area. The bare structure hidden by a plastic dash cover retained by relatively few screws.
OEMs probably don't like this channel....
Very interesting video. I thought we'd come across the most relaxed member of the Munro team in Jordan, but now Scott appears so relaxed he's almost horizontal. And it makes for great communication and conversation of the subject. Clearly, you show how the Rivian R1T is in a manufacturing evolution. Well done guys.
Ever wonder why it’s called a dashboard? Dash is an old noun and verb that describes the dirt that was “dashed” off of horses’ hooves as they pulled carriages. A panel was made to block the debris for the driver. Anther interpretation is it block wind when horse is “dashing” as in running fast
The correct term for what Scott was pointing to is FIREWALL (he did state that it "used to be called firewall, but is now called dashboard". I disagree. The dashboard is the structure over the instrument panel extending forward to the interior base/bottom of the windshield.
@@johnbuchman4854 I’m just speaking to the etymology of the word dashboard/dash (often people refer to the instrument panel as the “dash” too, not just the horizontal covering). I’m not saying what he pointed out isn’t or wasn’t called a firewall for the whole history of ICE vehicles. I know that the firewall isn’t the dashboard.
Them talking about names of things evolving, like calling the firewall a dash panel now, made me remember when I questioned, “why is a dashboard even called a dashboard?”, and looked it up.
Is "shotgun" also taken from the horse-and-carriage days? When I was growing up we'd always call "shotgun" for the front seat and it was because back in the days someone would ride in front and carry a shotgun to prevent robberies.
@@mjlee177 indeed it is! And in the word shotgun itself. It’s called “shot”gun because it’s a gun that shoots round pellets called “shot”, originating from the fact that all early firearm projectiles were round balls as opposed to the more modern bullet shape. The word shot itself comes from an old German word that sounded similar. It just meant basically any projectile that was meant “to shoot“
@@mjlee177 correct
I really like these videos. Very well done. When my Rivian reservation finally becomes a real truck, I'll already know it inside and out. 🙂
Glad we could help! Thank you for watching!
Geez, ton of areas for galvanic corrosion of the aluminum. Many locations where combo of water, road salt/chemicals, steel/aluminum will combine for corrosion. Excellent free transfer of hard work based Munro IP. Thank you for helping us consumers know the inside scoop.
Nice of Sandy & Cory give chance to the behind the scene experts do the videos..Way to Go Munro Live..
Might grow in having their own channels in the future.
Munro team seem to work well with each other. Many engineers sometimes difficult to work in team with compromises. Everyone seems to have great personalities. Great summary review
Great presentation and chemistry between the guys. A pleasure to watch and learn!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good thing about Cory and Sandy is that they keep on introducing newer faces. They don't hog the limelight.
3k linear inches of seam sealer? Their vendor must be super pleased! I can’t wait for the Cybertruck BIW tear down and how it compares to the R1T.
Rivian has been showing off videos of trucks on the course at their facility that drive through an atificial "pond" that gets to about 4 feet deep or so. So a comparison to "typical" vehicles probably is not appropriate. This was designed and built to be a semi-amphibious vehicle so that explains why they were so methodical with their sealants.
As far as Cybertruck goes... by the time a Cybertruck actually rolls off the line, Munro will probably have to get a second Rivian to tear down to compare them.
Tesla is going to surprise the critics in 2023. It took nearly 4-years but it’s finally going into production next year. Elon finally stopped fiddling with the final design and specifications.
@@mini2nut67 or rather: 1) they finally have enough batteries at low enough cost and high enough quality to do the Cybertruck and Semi, 2) there was more demand for Model 3 and Y than expected so it made sense to scale up their production and delay the introduction of the CT and Semi.
Thanks Scott and Jordan and the videographer - with steady hands. Good communications and solid engineering design details and methods of producing the drop tub beneath the storage floor.
I'm a metal geek. You all should get a PMI gun to determine the alloys used.
The boys have great chemistry. And, both are very knowledgeable. Sandy has a great team.
Hoping you guys do a video on how the tonneau cover works, given that it's been pretty problematic!
Apparently they're on it. Got an email from Rivian yesterday
Oh I Love these Munro Asmr videos. I love the steel and the mechanics being showed by such a good professionals. Congratulations guys
Super interesting video. Nice to unveil some neat engineering tricks and the difference between the Rivian and an OEM
Glad you liked it!
You guys rock, thanks for the entertainment and of course all the learnings! Kudos!
Thanks
Great job gentlemen! Every time I watch these videos, it makes me want to tear down a car before I buy it. However, the dealership may not appreciate it. LOL.
I hope that everyone at Monroe and Associates has a safe weekend. Take care. :)
Thank you! Hope you have a great weekend as well.
Sandy - This is such a great early-stage BIW instructional video that it might allow you to consider delaying some tear-downs until the plant has gotten to mass-production - esp the CyberTruck!
(You could refer back to this one for anyone wanting this background.)
When you get to the CT on the rack, I hope you’ll compare its rear suspension w/ the Ram 1500 in your video comparing it so favorably w/ the Chevy & Ford trucks! My son has that 1500 - seeing its suspension up close, wow, “A thing of beauty is a joy forever.” 😂
I always learn so much watching these videos! Engaging and very educational.
Awesome, thank you!
Great post editing. Always overlooked but really important to the flow and total time
I like Scott adds reference to other videos and interesting car history. Great job both!
It is interesting to compare the R1T BiW to an early Tesla Model 3. I give Rivian props for good execution on an early unit of a low production volume vehicle. Rivian seems to have fewer assembly gaffes compared to Tesla. Though I will say 3,000 linear inches of adhesive is a lot.
" Not working thru the joint process is an extremely nice way to say.......I can't say it" Is that aluminum foil tape and sealer? Having worked for over 40 years in the automotive industry that maybe ok for a recall repair but not production. I heard it in your voice....you know what I mean. Thank you for another outstanding video. Your being kind to Rivian is understandable.
Still crazy how many flak Tesla got for minor things like rubber door seals and a home depot door ridge for a 12V battery rail and then you see crap like this being used and nobody bats an eye.
It looks like it was painted sealer, structural adhesive and then some butyl or other kind of sealer on top.
I have a degree I electrical engineering, Munro’s people continuously convince me that I don’t know sh**. 👍👍🇺🇸
I freaking love my Rivian R1T! so cool to see it down to the bolts.
The gear-tunnel with the "overengineered" lids shall add immense torsional stiffness to the body. The stiffness of the bay-doors and the conical mating with the tunnel is crucial for this.
Jordan and Scott, Great job as always!👌
Hey, Munro team,
How about an evaluation of rust prevention. Are there areas that will collect dirt, water, salt and rot out?
Great analysis gents!
Exceptional review.
Another great video on Rivian can’t wait to see video on motors
I just love that vehicle ! I see nothing but quality!
Good rundown! I can't wait to see what y'all have to say about the tonneau, motors, and battery!
Excellent Job. That was a good insight!
Thanks for watching, Michael!
Thank you!
Always happy to see you in the comments Robert!
Excellent review. I'm learning as I watch.
Thanks Keith
@@MunroLive I'm a former electrician engineer with an appetite for science, engineering, astronomy, chemistry, etc.
17:31 Does the rear storage tub have a removable drain plug? 💦Ford’s Mustang Mach-E’s frunk tub does. Good job, Jordan and Scott! 👍
These are fun to watch, Munro has an amazing crew who have all the technical expertise but are also very good at presenting on camera! That glob of glue looks like an afterthought but I guess it doesn’t have any affect for the user. What is hidden, it doesn’t exist I guess 😀
Awesome content!
Another great video! At the start you talk about a Rivian frame video as if it was alredy out. I can't find it. Is it yet to be produced?
This makes me want a Rivian.
I miss Sandy’s “negitive” view, or call it critical view.
I'm not seeing the “pushback” Sandy has.
My focus with this comment is to encourage Monroe and Associates professionals to objectively see, and pushed back at the same time.
Love your work !!!
I feel like recently Sandy is pushing back less and less anyways. I do miss that critical standpoint too. Tesla does a lot of good things, but they also still do many things wrong. Let's assess those and discuss about it.
Excellent 👍👍
Thank you Walter!
Great video guys! Good detail. What about managing aluminum to steel interfaces? How are they accomplishing that?
Coatings.
Great BiW video, very interesting. As someone who lives in salt country, I'm pretty concerned with some of the water incursion and rust considerations on the frame. I would have loved a little bit more focus on the foil tape(?!) sealed with butyl/tar that were pointed out in the video, and a few more I saw around the C-pillar that were skipped. Is it me or is that pretty surprising to see on a production vehicle? I'd love for an eventual teardow of an R1T after a year or so to see if these have been addressed with running changes.
You guys are great together!(:
Nice review. If I can say one thing I wish you covered is how you think Rivian should improve their product at the same time; it is a nice educational addition.
nice video guys. reminds me of one of the original tesla teardowns, except Sandy was much more.... lets say .... critical :)
Thanks, Scott and Jordan. Very informative. Like Smarter Than You, I too am wondering what vehicles you may be saying have a thousand inches of sealer versus three thousand. I ask because the R1T does have a pretty aggressive wading spec. I'm not sure, but I'm remembering 43 inches. When you say that vehicles of the same type as the R1T have one thousand inches of bead, are they spec'ed at 43 inches or thereabouts of wading depth?
This was a great video but I'd really like to see y'all talk about the tonneau cover and it's issues..
Only on this channel will you hear “Let’s Rock” followed by “And this is germane to an assembly perspective” 😂
Ooooh 👀
Curious if you have any thoughts on the glass roof. I see reports that customers are having issues with the roof cracking and issues with the roof breaking under what seems like minimal force.
WOO WOO WOO !!!
Woo!
@@MunroLive you guys rock !
Funny thing is that I still call it the firewall!
Great team. It would be nice to trace the bed covers travel as it retracts. I wonder if the equipment tunnel is designed to help with the travel and / or maintenance.
Scotttttt!! Scott's great
I am 34, 124 views late but hey @ least I am watching it, must have been blind or the notification notice was missed. Good job guys!❣
Could you tell me what song Jordan played on the A-Pillar starting at about 7:10?
;)
Hope you will talk about the tonneau cover design. Have learned a lot from the previous R1T videos. I am a R1T owner. Thanks!!
Just got an email from Rivian to say that they are working on a new cover and not to worry about the current one,
@@deahelkcunklaer2180 Yes, I got that email too...hopefully next year. We did a tonneaulectomy to remove 3 stuck panels and open the back entirely. That's works for us until they can get the new design to us.
Hopefully Rivian consults with Monroe on the new design.
Are there reasons why OEMs haven't adapted cast door inners, like the step?
Yes - normal doors don't need to take the load of someone standing on them.
If the bed extended into the gear tunnel what would be the bed length? Gear tunnel is great but the ability to have dry secure bed of 6ft looks possible and would make this truck even better. Even if it is not full height of the bed and only below where the tonneau cover stacks it would be great. I hope they update in the future.
Usually there’s a Bor steel tube in the roof rails.
Looks like Rivianis still going through " Production Hell" as your teardown shows.🤣
Is the huge space under the rear seats unused?
it is an underseat storage area. On the rear passenger side is the subwoofer.
Jordan nailed it, after watching Munro Live I'll never look at OEM cars as being perfect from the factory. Seems like over the years OEM's have become quit clever in hiding mistakes and giving you bud light in a champagne bottle.
😅
Lol….. hiding what!? And also how does it help them to hide something!? This is a truck and trucks actually are made to be modified so your comment is wrong!!!
Great video! Thanks Scott and Jordan. Given the size of the pickup market Rivian still has time to polish details to be well placed in the market. Probably never going to see one in the right hand drive market but who knows, with Toyota still asleep this is always going to turn heads.
Any idea what this build number is? #250?
saw some people in twitter, comparing the R1S to the Model X or Y. Is it competitive in price after considering things?
Can’t wait for the Cybertruck tear down 😊
Since this is suppose to be an Adventure vehicle and not just a truck, is that why the 3X welding length?
It has three times the sealer length, not three times the welding.
13:20 Gear door has NO WEEP holes, condensation inside will ROT that out in a couple years
Small A is fucking A in a big fucking way! Props Riv. 👊
This damn channeling is addicting.
If Jordan is in a video, he's gotta show off those dance moves. It's a rule now.
See that pillar where the door latch and striker plate interact ? That is a B-pillar.
Hi guys . Wow nice surprise the two chaps talking in-depth actually I wasn’t shure they would work well to But what a surprise❤ congratulations fab team work . Love how they say to camera man hear get in there look . I would give your show today 90% cos would of been 100% can we honestly explain two different metals namely steel and alloy how they are fixed and how a oem are maitagating early corrosion as I now two different metals touching is bad .. have mentioned this in the past please 🙏🏾 🙏🏾 would you do a mini ep about this I guarantee that your views would love thanks again . By the way the Rivian stripped down really honestly doesn’t look a strong structure but it is am shure 🎉❤🙏🏾🪫🔋⚡️🙌🏾🫶🏽✌🏾🤜🏽
How much does the body weigh?
Those look like some UAW - quality spot-welds.
I would like to see you guys make comparisons of the Rivian Computer Unit in comparison with the Tesla model Y or Model S computer unit on your next video 👍👍👍
It will be interesting if Rivian takes a hint like Tesla did and adapts to the input you've given. The chassis/body hads the same basic issue of being way too many parts combined that makes for inevitable inaccuracies in assembly. If they could take a page from Tesla's playbook with a Giga Press and turn those hundreds of parts into a casting or two... they'd have a much more accurate chassis/body that is stronger and lighter and would cost less to built in the long run. Iguess this will work if you are only planning on building 10's of thousands of vehicles per year, but if they plan on millions, they have a long way to go.
Hey guys, Can you comment on the sound dampening materials that were used to sound dampen road and engine noise. The vehicle has a relatively loud Engine whine in the cabin and road noise dampening is not that great.
😈 you guys are awesome
Dear Jordan.
Why do you call it the dashpanel where I only knew it as "firewall" since the 50ties????
It is explained just seconds later at 2:15
@@VilleWitt
Hahaha, so I didn't listened right! Thanks a lot.... 👍😁🙋🏼♂️.
Shame on me... ☺️
Yikes! I can see why they are having trouble with cost. The gear tunnel door is ridiculous and the massive hinge assembly???
Yes, the firewall mounted devices will be fun to install.
Rivian should make a Riviera!😅
Wonderful engineering and vehicle.............as soon as I can I will be buying this vehicle !!!
The tunnel would be a great place for a Sub Woofer
Per the excessive use of sealers.... it is probably because this vehicle is *INTENDED* to be able to be a semi amphibious vehicle. Their testing course at their facility includes a section where the vehicles drive through what looks like at least 4 feet of water. So the comparison to typical vehicles is probably not appropriate here. And maybe a comparison to other amphibious or semi amphibious vehicles is more appropriate.
Sorry Sandy but this is what I expect watching "Munro Live" not that Bad one on EV Design as you would say that is a piece of "CRAP" (LOL)! To Jordan & Scott GREAT JOB really enjoyed the video!
Hi Jordan , has the convention fire Wall has we known it in ice vehicles moved to the fire flooring in A Ev vehicles to protecting occupants in the event of battery fire ?
There is already a number of layers of metal between the battery and the occupants, in which way are you interpreting the risk of fire from the battery?
@@userscott did you notice that the model Y and model 3 body in white have no floor before the batteries pack is installed, so technically the structure batteries pack formed a fire barrier from the passenger compartment.
@@topev7864 yes, I did. What’s the issue with this in your eyes?
Seems to me they had aluminum directly rivited to steel...hopefully this doesn't cause issues later as I know it does.
If not for Amazon's order for delivery vans, I don't know that Rivian would be able to survive.
I wonder if Rivian will name the next generation of trucks the R2T, R2S. Hopefully they get better with build quality. Beautiful truck tho.
Does the extra bead sealer have anything to do with the wading depth of the vehicle and the various watertight compartments?
i figured BnW had high depleted uranium content
Hope they learn to constantly evaluate the benefits of changing out what's expensive to manufacture with a cheaper, equal quality result, very quickly, like Tesla do. The Tesla CT & the Rivian RT/ST 1's are not in direct competition.
In the same way Herbert Diess & EM were friends & EM would give Diess advice & "free consultation" that VAG were too stubborn, proud & selfish to take on board, Rivian's team should cosy up & learn to manage change quickly to cut costs wherever possible, to enable them to succeed, grow & compete with legacy ICE. Good engineers who clearly aren't held back by the usual accounting overlords, but a little of that is most certainly necessary here!