Has political Islam failed? | Head to Head
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- Has the Arab Spring turned into an Islamist winter?
Mehdi Hasan challenges Islamic intellectual Tariq Ramadan on the principles and practice of political Islam.
Together they dissect the Arab revolts, focusing on Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood’s rise and demise, and the subsequent military coup.
So, has political Islam failed in Egypt? Did the Muslim Brotherhood miss its chance? And should the West be wary of Islamism?
Joining the discussion are: Anas Altikriti, a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and president and founder of the Cordoba Foundation; Yasmin Alibhai Brown, a journalist and the founder of British Muslims for Secular Democracy; and Professor Alan Johnson, from the pro-Israeli lobby group, BICOM.
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46:32 "Life is not about being economically or socially successful." Hard hitting statement. Whether u agree or not with what he says - he isn't a fool. Also like the part where he says "you're british but not yet as us."
Wow. This was a vary interesting interview... We found some one who is blatantly answer vary hard questions...
States have an army to protect them. But in Egypt the Army got the state. They have cival factories,commercial properties, landleasing,estate agents commercial shops, civilia airports. Name it they are like The Mafia in uniformi
And west has no problem with it because Army is doing their jobs (prosecuting Muslim Brotherhood)
@@arminius6506 It's not the West's problem to babysit Egypt. The only thing the West cares about is that whoever controls Egypt should never pose a threat to the West, and allies of the West.
Cant the audio be any more lower
Ramadan was a dangerous demagogue. Ramadan compared death penalty for apostacy with death penalty in America - and the audience applauded!!!!
Yes it is the same.
@@AhAh-mh3lo So murder is as serious as changing one's mind about religious matters?
@@nonolo8175 no it isn't. This punishment is totally barbaric and has no basis in islam. The examples that are given to justify executing apostates are misunderstood, as those people were executed for war crimes and spreading mischief which could harm the public, not for apostasy. I hope such laws get abolished soon
@@mariarauf3280 You are flat out wrong. All the 4 Imams of the 4 madhabs agree that there should be death penalty for apostasy and death penalty for blasphemy.
This is not even a debated matter.
@@mariarauf3280 I think you should study on this matter just little because even Islamic scholars don’t even debate about this issue
They know for apostasy,there should be death penalty in the sharia law.
I would like to see this discussion repeated nowadays...
one of the best Head to Head debates i have seen on Al Jazeera
In my humble opinion, I think Mehdi Hassan loves hearing himself talk (check Mona Eltahawy's "Do Arab men hate women?")
Instead of easing his guests into the process, Mehdi, becomes aggressive in his approach and continuously defends what he perceives as right while not giving his guests time to answer the questions he is asking. He constantly interrupts which leads the guests to start arguing amongst themselves instead of having an objective and analytical debate.
While Mehdi seems quite emotional and oversensitive in his approach, Tariq Ramadan displays cognitive biases and rhetorical appeals (ethos, pathos and logos) in his responses which in turn makes his arguments logical and credible.
That may be true but at several occasions, Mehdi Hassan reminded its guests that he was there to challenge them. You can see in many interviews that those guests are not letting Mehdi do as he pleases.
Thats his style. He doesn't beat around the bush
He plays devil's advocate, which is precisely why he's such a good interviewer. He challenges every view even when he doesn't believe in them.
That's the whole point of this show It's more of a debate than it is an interview
It’s called Head to Head for a reason.
A very good debate. We all have different views and it is a learning process for us as human species to understand the complexity in the different faiths and religions of the society. That we get together and communicate and debate is in itself the true example of brotherhood amongst all faiths. Yes it will be a long process and a very long journey before we reach the common ground . But that would not be the final destination because the world changes everyday and so is the society. New times will bring new questions and hope we meet together to debate as we do today. Because the problem is not when you don’t have the answers: problem is when Questions are not asked. Because only then we will have a solution. Peace be with you.
@Robert Frost
ISLAM is a divine religion from the almighty God for all people all over the world including you. It's your religion. Believe it or not it's up to you. But I told you the story.
@@user-vn2xd9dr8o just keep it to yourself and don't force it on people, because some people don't consider it divine
"I am done with integration. I am all for contribution". Last words of Tariq Ramadan totally summed up the whole debate.
Being a Muslim I feel both lucky that I am given guidance about everything ins out , but unfortunate when see leaders are more towards materialism and greed of power than worry of the day of judgment
Day of judgment,you are screwed,ALLAH is SATAN
I agree with you
That mentality creates "brainless terrorists", who do not think about the here and now, and the worst thing is that they take lives ahead of them!
"erdogan is very Democratic."
That didn't age well.
Erdogan has always been an islamo-fascist.
Erdogan is as democratic as any Turkish prime minister has ever been since Menderes.
The problem is that Erdogan was democratic at first. However he went down a slippery road and completely changed.
I like how he is "I know Islam, no one else does. Listen to me to tell you what it is", dude every Islam is the rule of the land there are capital punishment for blasphemy, apostasy, adultery, homosexuality, etc etc. What are you talking about? The guy who’s grown up in Switzerland, knows Islam better than everyone else!
are you from egypt bro??
Half way I was confused and also understood the angles of conversation Hassan is Shiats come out the Israeli sturdy dude couldn't hold he's sit.. and Tariq Ramadan spoke well and had almost all the good points with out attacking any what I saw about him and heard of he's grandfather don't much at all m gonna think about it
This guy Tariq Ramadan is just awesome his arguments are articulated based on sheer research and pure logic 👍
He's had rape allegation and extra marital affairs himself. He's a hypocrite
He's not that smart actually.
Actually, this time, mehdi Hasan was trying to be NICE in a debate!
Right! But we need avid journalists who ask tough questions and put the speaker in a difficult position. I loved the way Profesor Tariq Ramadan handled himself and gave his new ideas.
I love him
Mehdi earlier said there is no Law which is the Sharia Law as such exists. He denied the fact. Today he brought up, yet no Muslim women came up with the idea of raising voices, which simply meant they are afraid to speak up becz they want to keep Islamist religion in defence.(said by every escape Muslim women immigrants) N sharia law is not just about stoning women to death, but real punishment (jailed and tortured) for not obeying her husband, jailed for singing in public, jailed for going to bars, jailed for not properly covered herself, n announced a girl a complete women by age 9 with a certificate which means that she can b selled to a men n to accept all punishment. So a big salute to the suffering women who were just listening and ignoring.
The biggest criticism is that Yasmin wasn't given nearly enough time to state her points as Anas continually spoke over her.
True, but she did ask very direct questions resulting in succinct answers maybe that’s why
That was great
Why not have Captions
You can't understand English?
Two simple questions:
1) Why would anyone want to be governed by a text that can be so easily misinterpreted? Surely that would increse the chance of corruption.
2) Why would anyone want to be governed by laws that cannot change/evolve? The secular freedoms we enjoy today took hundreds of years to evolve; just imagine if progress was impeded by religious law.
The answer lies in learning lessons from what has happened in Western societies... once the West got rid of spirituality for a vague notion of 'freedom' and 'progress' they have a society devoid of any higher values...they have reduced human beings to the level of animals...40 % children born out of wed-lock in Britain and other places in the West is the beautiful progress and freedom that you have got in return for leaving God...
Western society with all its progress is doomed without spirituality ...
Because they are brainwashedddddd
@@adilhaider6693 I still rather live with freedom and progress, and thanks to that progress, you can watch and comment on youtube videos.
Another pertinent and honest question: why refugees don't seek shelter in other islam countries so its less of a cultural change to them? why only Europe and the US? Why arent the other islam countries receiving them with open arms?
@@adilhaider6693 thats why mohammedans are taking refuge in those countries...Makes no sense 😂
Well done
Religion has no place in politics.
I really enjoy the endless justification.
Political Islam hadn't take the real chance because of the western "democracy " and it's cooperation with the armed regimes
+Evidentialist
Thanks
Thats show your morals.
+Evidentialist thanks again
That's the confirmation about your morals
+Evidentialist
Double faced democratic people
The want the democratic elections when it comes with results they love
But when it comes with Islamic political parties they support the military coup and then the democracy is bad !
Sherif Hassan
Democracy is democracy ; it can't be Islamic Democracy or Christian Democracy . Democracy means freedom and secularism .
All Muslim Theocracies that exist today are terrible when it comes to human rights.
Who creates the tag, "no mature content"
Very graceful presence 👍👍
What islam gives to wetern world that it doesn't has
1. Reconcile values
2. Meaning of life
3. Bringing ethics
It is controversial but at least he is honest though
wow i love this show
Blaming west...west..west
💯💯 true
Cause the west is the one challenging the religion
Its intresting that you paired democracy and humun rights
My question is. Objectively what makes democracy right that every country or people should try to uphold it?
@Been to Battles That still does not answer the question.
It's empirical evidence. The only system that is functioning well. Also, there is the ethical argument.
the answer is. because there isn't any other political system better.
It's not perfect of course but objectively the best system of government that exists today. All the alternative forms of government - Communism, Dictatorships, Religious theocracies have mostly failed everywhere in the world.
@@brendonfernandes2877 Because democracies invade those countries? All of these system that u have menrtioned at somepoint the strongest empires had them. Its democracies turn rn.
No religion should have Any type of authority or the slightest influence on law and human rights.
That's all in my opinion.
Thats dumb, religion is the source of morality. Human rights are based on religion.
@@tahahagar7664 that's correct 500 years ago when people were still clueless
The interview is too fast and the questions doesn’t get enough time they deserve.
Sadly Islamism hasn't dissapeared.
27:03 : "Cartoon Crisis" 😂😂😂 Do these guys every realize how funny they sound!!
This is the first time Mehdi Hassan is so soft - am I the only one noticing?
Puratha 12 Naaaaaah! Compared to his other interviews, other guests make valid points and he’s uncorruptibly harsh! In this particular interview, he is very soft.
Puratha 12 that’s what I think too. However, I’ve made the comment because he pretends to never agree but challenge his guest.
Messi 11 he is very good at interviewing public personalities. However, here, it is clear that his personal religion interferes in his usual ability to question someone’s point of view.
Aedin Ridmash - soft, sweet face and the leader of one of the most oppressive organization - I guess that deserves some questions... and never as soft as Anders Fogh Rasmussen (who was demolished by Hassan by the way).
Sarcasman he isn’t a leader of any party he is a sympathiser , most of the interviews Mehdi had before served in respective departments so he could actually question them when their departments did morally wrong here anything wrong Mehdi comes out the guy comes out that he doesn’t believe in that and is wrong in that sense, guys grandfather was a leader , this guy belongs to academia and is just a symphathizer
Who had any idea thing where this deep... wow...
Meaningless comment. Read it again.
Do one about Turkey too guys
MAASHALLAH BEST PROFESSOR TARIQ RAMADAN
The Erdogan comment did not age well.
i think the moderator was very rude and not being professional. he should have been a panelist in the show and somebody else does the moderating job
the moderator was very good and sharp/critical as a moderator has to be.
Islam will never fail
Yes compleatly...for ever ..
He really misunderstood everything. There's no law that says one should drink. But when you ate stoning someone in UK, the law say no.
It is irrelevant because the UK is not a Muslim country. And even in Muslim countries, there is no stoning except in Saudi Arabia and Iran I think.
40:40 "Sisi is a dictator as bad as Mubarak, period no discussion", but on stoning, let's have a debate!
Mr. Rez in democracy people select dictator by vote.
Stoning doesn't belong in a modern civilized society.
Democracy should be secular not religious that's where they keep going wrong nothing wrong with imams and mullahs been in a seat of parliament but for social,health education etc not bring religion into running the state generally it becomes undemocratic with opposition parties hailed and the economy failing
Just one word for him .. HYPOCRITE ! 🤨
I could only stand 10 minutes of Mehdi CONSTANTLY interrupting. Unless things changed in the remainder of the video, I suspect I was wise to watch someone else's interview with Mr. Ramadan.
Peace
I like the guy insightful knowledge about islam
I must say I'm a little divided about prof. Tariq's closing statement (47:05) where he says that he's 'done on any discourse about "integration"' and that he's 'opening to door to contribution"'. I don't understand why it cannot be both.
If I go to live and work in another country (as I plan to in the future), I want to both learn and get enriched by my surrounding culture as well as being able to give back. It's not a one-way street. If you shutting the door on "integration" or "assimilation" as Tariq suggests then this means turning this natural process of an exchange of cultures into a one-way system where one culture insist on only "contributing" but is not willing to really value the culture they want to live amongst.
I think if you look more broadly on the message he conveyed consistently throughout the debate, it was more along the lines of integration not translating into abandoning one's own culture, morals, or ethics in favor of another. He stressed the 3 L's (Law, Language, etc) and understanding the framework of another nation or country.
Lol defending Erdogan as a democratic leader.
I know right? 😂
Well, he's better than sisi, but still.....
Now 2020 his assesment should have been different as during this debate in 2014!!! (uploaded 2016)
intellectual?
Is it just me or does Tariq Ramadan seem especially hostile and disrespectful towards the female panelist?
Craig Harris Sexism exists in every single religion, including Christianity.
Craig Harris I know a lot of people here on TH-cam seem to have an endless amount of time to waste arguing with strangers, but I don't have that kind of time or inclination. I will just say that women are fighting for the right to determine what do with their own bodies, and are being sent to prison for choosing to have an abortion. You don't find that regressive? I'm critical of all religions, and I think we should all be. My "point" is that it is futile to argue that one religion is apparently less oppressive than another when the fact is that all of them have been used to oppress women (and other groups). To think that Christianity is somehow inherently more progressive than Islam or other religions is laughable! Whatever progress has been made is because women & men have fought tirelessly for it. And it helped that in the West people didn't need to ALSO recover and rebuild their societies from scratch after the devastation caused by years of colonialism, like in other parts of the world.
Muting this thread now.
+ elephant
Mute what you will, mate. YT posting isn't just arguing with strangers, it's about public display. It's more important that the many hear me call you for a childish, sanctimonious, wobblemoral, value-free relativist than you hear me yourself, despite your prompting the remark... And if your faith happens itself to be Islamic, then you're a snivelling coward for not saying so, old chap.
@@craigharris2731 How does Christianity hate women?
Muslim: Intellectually slaps a woman
Bigots: Oh look a Muslim being a misogynist
If he is liberal Muslim then God only save Muslim people. We are having internal discussions over stoning etc. While you discuss what about those who get stoned . Why can't you say that stop it, let's discuss then we take a call.
I like al jazeera😘
Very informative channel
Oh wow...he wants a discussion about stoning. How does he convince anyone of anything at all? Who are the people who respect him??? And then the guy equates it to a ban on smoking. Sure, smoking is a human right...
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He is not interested in a discussion with you. He tries to discuss with those who still believe in stoning.
That's why some religions are dangerous.
Nothing failed if it's according to teaching of Islam ,
But when u start adding Ur own ideas, suggestions and thoughts without giving a thought then things messes up
If an idea or ideology is not set up to debate and modified according to the current needs and understanding then it becomes irrelevant. When people stick to the unchanged form of it, it is called fundamentalism.
There is no successful islamic country.
And the gulf countries became filthy rich just because of oil and natural gas, not because of innovation.
Tariq Ramadan very tactical person no Direct answer
That lady said very important poin Democracy for Muslim brotherhood is slippers in Bathroom
tariq is practsing what is called in Islam as Taquiya ... just lying knowingly and deliberately
+www.sgcmoezy.ca sgc well why shld buy ur interpretation. It has been interpreted by Islamic scholars in various Islamic countries and look at their laws. Tariq is just hypocrite
www.sgcmoezy.ca sgc dont u think shias r muslims too?
www.sgcmoezy.ca sgc well well i dont think so... may be u r misguided too
ANYTHING - UNDER INFLUENCES OF POLITICS MEANS . BACKED UP , WITH CORPORATES .
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Note ;-- IS THERE,
ANY POLITICS ON EARTH
IN WHAT EVER NAME , STYLE OR WHAT SO EVER -
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WHO AND WHERE FROM THIS IS --
MASTER MINDED .*?
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Sometimes I think mehdi becomes overbearing, and doesn't allow his guests to speak
Misunderstanding. British don't smoke and drink because of the religion.
Religion ... Belief in something without evidence. Put that in a court of law . Now ask yourself what rights you have .
Democracy is the best revenge, that is what Pakistan has learned after 100 years of colonization and 35 years of dictatorship, these people who overthrew Muhammad Morsi drowned their own empire, pro-Islam or secular whatever the Egyptians chose, it's their right they should remember the power belongs to them, and one more thing that institutions take time to build, there is a long long path in front of Egypt.
34:19 Christian Lady: STONING IS WRONG
Also Christian Lady: The Bible is the word of God hallelujah
What? She is clearly identified as a Muslim in the video.
Very good debate. But the main problem I've always had with Tareq Ramadan is the timeline that he gives himself and the Muslim scholars to debate the scriptures and come back with a solution. This will never be done! There are still Christians who believe the crazy parts in the Bible, we don't need to debate them, we just move past them and vote democratically our laws. This is the problem with Islamists, they can't let go of the Qoran when talking legislation.
You have moved away or removed from Christianity, that's because they are illogical , manmade not word of God, right? Qur'aan is the word of God, not man-made, so therefore we cannot change or delete anything from it, understand?
@@najmaalikhan The Quran is a poorly plagiarized version of the old and new testament written by an illiterate businessman in 7th century Arabia, and as such, can be seen as an extreme form of Jewish and Christian heresy. The civilization his violent conquests spawned went into decline around the 13th century and subsequently, Arabic culture hasn't been at the forefront of human advancement for over seven hundred years.
Mohammad may have had some ideas that were helpful 1,400 years ago, but the political philosophy contained in the Quran and Hadith is objectively inferior to secular liberal political philosophy, as can be seen by the results that each achieve when implemented.
at 9:06, Mehdi Hasan accidentally asked Ramadan a very tough question. At 9: 32, Ramadan's response was very conveniently edited out. Guess Mehdi's Qatari bosses didn't want him to ask any Muslim any serious questions.
there is no such a thing as political Islam. Islam is Islam.
WEST WEST WEST???PLEASE
Allah is enough or us
ASSALAMUALAIKUM COMPLETELY TRUE BROTHER
Politics should have ethics & you'll never get ethics without religion--(Y)
I don't think so. Can you give reasons for your claim?
@@iGong There's a good reason why he couldn't give reasons. He wants to keep his beliefs relevant, but isn't able to do it.
You can have certainly ethics without religion. You can definitely. There are a lot of people with good ethics even better than people with religion and don't need religions for that.
Peggy De Weerdt hello, can you give an example of ethics without religion?
Ethics like throwing homosexuals off building, stoning women, beating your wife, killing whoever dares leave Islam, etc. Those ethics?
I missed him
unfortunately i believe it will take Yahushua Hamashiach 2nd coming before islam can be completely destroyed.
Better if Islam or religion and politics are separate.
You can be ethical without being religious. Extremism in any religious form, Islam, Christian or Jewish is a threat to political, social and economic stability of everyday people who just want to live their lives independently of the desire for power--or a forced adherence to a strict set of rules and norms upon pain of imprisonment, torture and death. Religion needs to be separate from governance but still an individual or social (group) freedom as banning it outright does not work either, and such a ban will too create instability.
Reform of a medieval belief system? We can hope, for all that hoping does.
Sabq perh phir dyaanat Ka shujaat Ka amaanat ka
Liya jaaey GA tuj SE kaam dunya ke imaamat Ka
A quote from Tariq Ramadan.
"My brothers and sisters, we must exploit the so-called democracy and freedom of speech here in the West to reach our goals. Our Prophet Muhammad and the Koran teach us that we must use every conceivable means and opportunity to defeat the enemies of Allah. Tell the infidels in public, we respect your laws and your constitutions, which we Muslims believe that these are as worthless as the paper they are written on. The only law we must respect and apply is the Shari’a." Obviously, Tariq Ramadan is an enemy of our entire civilization and people. He must be exposed for what he is.
Tariq Ramadan was born in Geneva, Switzerland on 26 August 1962 to an Egyptian Muslim family. He is the son of Said Ramadan and Wafa al-Banna, who was the eldest daughter of Hassan al Banna, who in 1928 founded the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Gamal al-Banna, the liberal Muslim reformer is his great-uncle. His father was a prominent figure in the Muslim Brotherhood and was exiled by Gamal Abdul Nasser from Egypt to Switzerland, where Tariq was born.
+David Markarian Because of Western imperialism the Muslim Brotherhood emerged, because of Western imperialism Iran became radical, because of western imperialism Al-Qaida/Taliban was created, because of western imperialism Isis was created :)
Uhm, as far as India is concerned, I think it is the other way around.
Azmol Hossain ah yes, another Muslim that doesn’t care about life not within the ummah. You’re a bad person.
Tariq is an Islamist through and through. Don’t be fooled by his nice fancy suit or smooth Swiss accent. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Switzerland is breeding snakes
I love morsi i support brotherhood
MASHALLAH TARIQ RAMADAN IS CORRECT
@Been to Battles yea sure it fits my description that an elected islamic government in Egypt was removed unfairly by the Zionist American
Tariq Ramadan is a very interesting human being.
this man is only for laughs. He said that, all we know about sharia law is coming from media. He is completely clown.
tariq always handed the hand that little woman
He can be done with any debate on integration, but I can assure him, that that debate will continue with or without him.
Around 26min Problem with dogmatic minds?? Yeah that is correct but, 95% islamic dogmatic minds vs 5% rest. He also says that the book does not need a change. I wish there was a debater between him and his namesake Tarek Fatah and he would have ripped him to shreds on this book is perfect belief. Sad.
Pew research shows that large numbers of 'moderate' Muslims accept the tenets of Islam and Sharia law. Moreover, it's imperative that Democracies keep track of the number of Muslims being allowed to immigrate. Their Quran demands they spread Islamic ideology by any means necessary. Jihadists will gladly die for 'paradise' and 72 virgins. The West is on a suicide mission.
tariq you are the best
Tariq taqqiya master.
No wonder Islamists are in bed with a rapist 😁
Religion stultifies human minds like no other ideology does😅
Bringing western writers to give their opinions, who always feel threatened by Islam what nonsense
Muslims hate this cartoon because it was prophet Muhammad story, it has become a debate in our contemporary society today, it is very disturbing now, this is really a nice cartoon but the Muslims do not like it i remember someone publish a picture on the news paper claiming to be Prophet Muhammad in my country and this led to the killings of innocent people. i want you to know that cartoon like this gives us the true interpretation of Islam that is really why i except people who are Muslim to read their Quran themselves to understand it, what its says word by word then admit that there are mistakes or violent part of it in other to correct them. the beauty of Islam starts from the Muslim brotherhood which actually present them in the society as threat but i believe that Islam has a beauty that we need to see and be sure that it is the truth, Muslim make us love your religion and stop making us to hate your religion. 1. have respect for women please for once
2. don't force anybody to join your religion
3. stop beheading people in the name of punishment
4. stop the bombing in the name of Allah
5. stop killing christian and jew for sake of Allah
look there are many of it and seriously let me tell you that Islam could be a great religion if you can correct this problems and people will be converted willingly than force to be converted. your life and way of life should say who you are in the society.
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Of coarse it failed because you mixing politics and religion never works by the way Quran doesn’t have political system.
since when does ethics have any thing to do with religion was it not religion which cause human slavery while it took human reason to ended this barbaric practice
Your wrong, it was religion which started the abolishment and reduction of slavery.
@Robert Frost some countries may practice but Islam never allows any innocent to be subject to slavery or any kind of injustice. Just read the Wikipedia article of Islam and slavery and you will understand the gist of it.
Osama Shakir Muhammad kept and traded salves you fool, there are Sahih Bukhari Hadith on him owning and keeping slaves; he refers to “Ethiopian salves rasin heads” for god sake he was a pale skinned slave trading warlord.
Dears I would like to watch a debate about Jin’s in Head to Head. Please ...with dignitaries panels. Thanks in advance
Jin’s are living among us but no body talks about it .
You are correct! They do the work of Satan but talk about God constantly!
What about Santa Clause? is he living amongst us, too?
Lol !
@@spankstar santa Claus descends once in a year from the sky with his reindeer and elves. That's my belief and don't insult it. It is not more or less important than the story of Mohammed sitting on a donkey and flying up into the sky with it. It is in fact the same but in opposite direction.
Albania is the land of all religion are free
Charismatic, true believer, conspiracy theorist and delusional, he must be popular among "islamists"
RIP MORSI murdered by evil Sisi
Amal Abdelnour your are stupid
@Amal Abdelnour you are so evil.
I have never seen him be this kind to a guest.
If I am understanding him correctly, he is just saying that dogmatic belief in Islam can be changed just in a different and more subtle way. I mean death by stoning is an automatic no no here but in their culture it just needs more time.
I love tariq😘😘
yes