@@FScott-m1nNo way. They are allergic to math. There is this Darryl guy (I hope I'm not wrong about the spelling) that asks them to do math, and they twist themselves out of shape to not to 😂
@@ivanpetrov5255The operative phrase being "given enough time." If a a gibbon with a typewriter can recreate Shakespeare, flerfs can solve physics' biggest problem -- but only if they're trying to prove FE.
@@ivanpetrov5255 I love it when Darryl asks them to show the math. The look of a deer caught in the headlights as they quickly deflect and try to avoid math at all costs.
That the whole crux of it all. I believe a lot of the people can comprehend or don’t understand the facts, and a lot of them are ignorant to the facts. Mix that with someone who is so set on being right they refuse to even for a second admit/accept they could be wrong, or that someone else could be right. I think that’s why it’s so hard to convert a lot of these people, there’s multiple issues at play. That’s why I’m really curious to see what happens with TFE. I watched an episode of Catfish in which a guy thought he had been talking to Katy Perry. Even after confronting with the real person, he had a hard time accepting the truth. Even when she said things only the two of them would know, he made excuses to fit his beliefs. I really think this will be the issue with TFE. I’ve already guessed a few will say there’s another sun that moves in line with the “perspective” of people standing in that area of the flat Earth.
I used to ask flatearthers how the sunlight can hit the underside of clouds during sunrise and sunsets. Eric Dubai used to delete my question, so I know for years they’ve known about it and buried their heads in the sand.
Dubious Dubay has always deleted any comments that question the accuracy of his assertions. He only allows his cult members and echo chamber to comment. Dubay knows full well that he's lying, but that's cult leaders for you.
Again Dave, your greatest strength is that you don't go and just insult flat earthers all the time. You make points or counterpoints using science and observations, make 1 or 2 minor slights a video, and that's it. We need more people that do this in discussions. Don't lose this.
Exactly. You don't need to gloat about being cleverer than a flat earther any more than you need to gloat about beating a grade schooler at arm wrestling.
professor dave explains can't go 5 seconds without insulting someone, I told him I was religious and got harassed for 3 days straight by him and his fans.
Anyone who has ever been out on the ocean (far away from land) will note the stars are clearly visible near the horizon. If the sun is "too far to see" (thus causing darkness), how far away are those stars? 🤣🤣🤣
They keep changing their mind, trying to figure it out and make sense of it because they want it to be true... because if it isn't true, they look like fools. Ultimately, letting go of personal pride and believing you know better than anyone else, let alone the brilliant scientists that built the world of convenience most people who believe in flat earth are priviledged to live in, is the only way - Dave himself being humble but factual does wonders for leveling that playing field into something more approachable. Empathetically acknowledging that these people are manipulated and exploited by a 'non-profit organisation' that claims the world is run by a shadow government perpetuating some kind of wild conspiracy is in itself a sad reality to return to.
@@tamfang I don't understand what they think is going on with the sun... I really want to know and have them explain it. Gurantee it's good to start more discourse in the FLERF community on how FLERF works - I don't know how someone can walk out of their front door and just believe they're matter experts on something that can't be proven.
Amorel has a good point. I tend to avoid channels and creators that go after people, insult appearance, behave in toxic ways towards others. I think the lack of that, the respect that Dave gives to even his detractors, is really cool and admirable. Good stuff.
Agreed, most flat earth debunkers, are really not better than the flat earthers themselves in how they behave, and never really "debunks" anything, rather just points fingers and laughs essentially. Dave McKeegan being one of the very few exceptions, to actually go out and explain why the flat earthers are wrong
@@GummieImost of those channels have simply gotten tired of explaining the same old things every time a flerfer opens their mouth, it’s an exhausting task. I don’t blame them for their attitude towards them, but I agree that it’s less productive than McKeegan’s style.
@@GummieI " and never really "debunks" anything" Which one? Most i see do show that the earth is not flat and do show that the flerfers are lying - and then proceed to rightfully mock them.
@@SkullpunkArt I think it's fair to get tired of explaining the same points, but at that point, why continue making content around debunking or disproving flat earth?
Great job Joe showing us that the earth cannot be flat as his own video showed the flash of a reflection on the underside of the plane right at the start. Bravo
Dave is the BEST debunker because he doesn't use name calling or sensational click-bait in his videos. Just calm, clear explanations. Glad he's going on TFE. He's a great representative.
Agree! There’s a Danish (??) guy who always ends his video with “safe landing” and who illustrates things as brilliant as Dave does, but he’s seldom around nowadays.
@@thearmouredpenguin7148 Exactly! Thanks a lot. Also Bob The Science Guy makes a lot of effort to demonstrate without much but a slight irony. PS. So you are over 7000 armoured penguins ... cool!
@@dyamonde9555 My favorite part is when the dog clearly thinks Dave is talking too much with his hands and pulls them down. Cause, you know, those are for petting!
There isn't a single person alive on this earth who hasn't believed one stupid thing or another at some point in their lives. It's how you handle being corrected, learning, and then teaching others with grace that makes you a genuinely good human being. Dave McKeegan is a genuinely good human being. 💕
Yep. I used to thing dark energy and dark matter were different sides of the same coin, virtual particles. Then I did the energy budget calculations and found it couldn't possibly be, so now I don't know what dark energy and dark matter are, again.
I think this is the element where people are changing since the rise of being able to connect online with others who believe the same stupid thing people don't just work it out for themselves or listen to advice from their family or friends. I like to think I don't reach a conviction in all but the most self apparent things. In general, widely accepted scientific principles demostrated over decades and centuries are a safe bet to stand by. Expert or not.
As a child I had a clever theory about what thunder was: A lightning bolt split the clouds in half and thunder was the sound of the clouds crashing together again. Still kinda proud of that one😅
I love the flerf's ideology of "I tried observation once and didn't see thing therefore all of science ever is wrong!" For observations in real science to become a standard, it is tested under scrutiny literally THOUSANDS of times through many different controls and variables.
Often done after strawman-ing the claim you're attempting to debunk. Changing "you can see sometimes see light reflecting on the bottom of planes" to "you must always see sunlight reflecting on the bottom of planes". He then cherry-picked the wrong cherry and proved himself wrong anyway. 😂
It will only work on the minority of flat earthers. The majority of them believe in flat earth regardless of facts and logic, so "debunk" videos and "trips" are meaningless for them
Did I hear that this trip is free? Because I'm a flat Earther. None of the doors in my house have curved bottoms, and there is a wall of ice protected by armed penguins employed by NASA surrounding Australia. If the sun is bigger than the moon, why are they the same size? Nobody has ever seen a total eclipse of the sun at night. Pluto is no longer a planet because it fell off the firmament. Open your eyes and wake up Sheila! The truth is up there. When do we leave and how many cardigans do I need to bring?
If it saves a few of them from going down the rabbithole of not trusting science and believing shadow goverments and all scientists are lying to them, worth it.
@@soulcrewblue8629 i understand that, its just interesting to look at. New ways of thinking, new ways to start from, new points like " Wait lets look at here"
@@sirex9244 Yup, seeing new ways to prove the same thing can be quite interesting, and deepen your understanding of that thing - I've got the kind of brain that proves basic mathematical principles when I get bored for exactly that reason, and I've found a few different ways to prove that various methods of multiplication work, as well as some proofs of Pythagoras's theorem, and they often improve my understanding of some facet of mathematics. But then again, my brain's weird - I'm pretty sure most people don't get excited about buying a calculating device that predates them for the first time (on a *totally* unrelated note, I'm the proud owner of a circular slide rule).
@@Autoskip I used one of those to pass my A-levels back in the day. Mine had four layers that slid giving you multiple operations on the same rule, and places to store temporary numbers. No good beyond a couple of decimal places though!
I remember being a toddler and seeing the huge mountains surrounding my town on all sides and thinking that's where Earth ends. Crazy that some people never leave that stage lmfao
When I was young I used to believe we lived on the INSIDE of the globe. I was horrified to find out we lived on the OUTSIDE - because I was worried we’d be hit by something coming from space.
4:55 Besides his photographing the illuminated underside of the plane, his statement: "The sun has set behind the horizon over there" sure did a good job of debunking the globe.
Dave, what I like the best about your videos is how you explain everything. Nice and simple, just pointing out the flaws, and doing it in a very friendly way. Please keep them coming
Earlier this week I saw a beautiful sunrise. The sun was still below the horizon but the undersides of clouds to the east were wonderfully lit from below with red, orange and yellow hues. For most people this is probably more common than finding a plane lit from below. I would hate to be at local noon when the sun is only a few thousand feet up.
They claim that the sun is actually shining through the cloud. That's why the plane is such a great counterargument because everybody knows the light can't pass through the skin of the airplane.
I think the claim (insofar as flerfs ever make claims) is that the Sun is a few thousand _miles_ up, not a few thousand feet. Equally stupid but more survivable!!
@@ceejay0137 not really appreciably, no. you need a few more zeros tacked onto that figure. you need to get a few /million/ miles from the sun to improve your survivability in a quantifiable way. a few thousand miles, on the scale of the sun, is nothing.
@@ntdschererand if the clouds are broken you can see that the tops are dark - only the bottom is lit. This has always been a enjoyable part of the day and lasts only a short time. Soon the sun rises higher
I tried kindness until they felt superior in every way and insulted me for knowing the earth is not flat. Mostly because kindness is usually misinterpreted as weakness.
Funny that in the interview between Will Duffy and Joe Harvey (at about 4:00), Harvey has several telescopes behind him with equatorial mounts. Harvey didn’t want to talk about that.
Thank you! Was searching for this post before doing one my own. It baffles me how you can use an equatorial mount, show it behind you, and declare the earth is flat... That dude is the quintessential FE's poser 😂
I've seen videos by Creaky, FTFE and now you showing recovering flerfs admitting they'd started to come around after seeing debunking videos. Hopefully you all keep putting out content that starts to make these guys start to see reason.
@@flowingafterglow629 Great word, isn't it? Petard! For those who haven't looked it up, a petard is a bomb with a short fuse. Medieval warriors would chip out a hole in the wall of a castle and fill it with black powder and a short fuse. Then he would run for the hills before he was hoist by his own petard.
Had a brief interaction with Joe Hanvey, I pointed out a few flaws with his model, how his model was inconsistent with others, and asked how he would explain a few phenomena with his model. He called me a “globe zealot” and refused to answer any questions.
He does that. He also deletes comments, like if you point out that his "kaleidoscope skydome" idea is completely debunked by his own star trail mockup photos showing perfect mirror images.
@ that’s what I told him, and he responded with something along the lines of “hey, quit calling out my non-functioning model, globe zealot! I’m making an explanation at some point!” Which was about a week ago, and he’s made a video slandering Will Duffy, but not a video explaining how his model somehow turns mirror images into completely different images. He’s also, to my knowledge at least, never; 1. Shown what the sun looks like from the ground in his model 2. Shown how the moon works in his model 3. Explained how seasons work in his model 4. Shown a full demonstration with his model and a map And many, many more.
During the Vancouver Olympics we here in Campbell River (about 180 km away) could easily observe the US AWACS aircraft they had circling over the area as a guard against terrorist attacks. You could frequently see the underside of the aircraft lit up by the setting sun.
I did something I don't usually do, because I hate the idea of giving these people views, and went to find the oiriginal video. Imagine my absolute shock when I found comments were turned off. Because nothing says 'I have confidence in my explanations' like banning any discussion about them.
technically, that never happens. no flat earther has ever been observed to THINK. all flat earthers look at a sunset and SAY the earth is flat ... but they don't actually THINK it ... because they can't
They can't hold more than one thought at a time. So they jump between 'sun over plane' and 'sunset' rapidly, never connecting the two to notice the contradiction.
Last week I saw a high altitude aircraft lit up from underneath at sunrise, and a lower altitude aircraft all in shade. Will attempt to get a photo next time
Say what you will, but for an ex-flat-earther to be able to humble themselves and publicly admit they were wrong shows a level of maturity that frankly most of them just don't have I truly believe that at some point in their lives most every flat-earther actually does figure out that they're totally in the wrong but that they're so invested by that point (mentally, emotionally, socially, financially, etc) that the sunk-cost fallacy kicks in overdrive and they just keep the grift going strong as ever (probably reversing again and re-convincing themselves in the end lol)
I've thought about this myself. I think it's just an extreme version of hyper-skepticism brought about by a conspiratorial mindset. I've met a few people who weren't necessarily flat-earthers, but they were so skeptical about "established narratives" that they basically just question or deny everything that they haven't seen with their own eyes. It's basically an excuse to be a jerk.
@@stevej71393 "extreme version of hyper-skepticism" But they are bling believers with no scepticism what so ever. It is just indoctrination and hubris. "or deny everything that they haven't seen with their own eyes. It's basically an excuse to be a jerk." But they deny even what they them self have seen - as is evident with the subject of this video where he filmed a planes underside being bright and still denying that.
Yeah I mostly agree with Steve here, this is the reason usually. And I blame the information age and the internet. Access to so much information and the ability to search for answers yourself has bred an attitude of "don't trust the authority/expert" in almost any specialist field. Unfortunately the information age allows the spread of misinformation just as much as information. Flat earth alone is mostly harmless, but if you don't trust NASA then you probably don't trust doctors either, and that's where it can get dangerous. It happened all the time in covid with medical expertise. How little about science the average person understands astounds me sometimes considering the amount of knowledge we all have access to these days.
Quick question for the Flerfers who show up here: How come all images of the Flat Earth are obviously Photoshop or CGI? Why are there no high altitude images that back up Flerfer claims? Why no pictures or video of the edge or underside?
I love how Joe used just ONE SINGLE plane to totally debunk the FACT that you can't get underside light on a flat earth The irony to say 'fails scrutiny' is possibly one of the funniest things I've read from a Flerf
As much as I've enjoyed some of your videos on flat earthers, I've mostly ignored them as "yelling at people too fundamentally stupid to be able to recognize they are wrong". I'm so happy to be wrong. I'm glad some people are taking your responses and actually waking up to how they've been misled! This is great news!
I love that his "debunk" was a cell phone video of a particular plane that didn't happen to be in sunlight, rather than an explanation of the general observation that planes reflect sunlight from their undersides after sunset.
Something Something shadow government Something Something they Something Something... and then you dig and, oh look, 1930s era German propaganda is buried in the center of it all. I mean, just look at "proof" 198 of Dubey's "200" "proofs"...
So, his argument is that every video or picture of a plane with its underside lit up is… cgi or something? Sure, the one plane he looked at wasn’t clear for him, but that doesn’t change the rest…
As you see, even if he see a reflection on his video, he will deny that it is from the bottom of the plane. If you persuade him that it is from the bottom, he will say that it is light reflected from Earth surface and then from the plane. Or that camera manufacturers add special code to all camera firmware to draw these reflections. Or everything above at once. It is just a never-ending cycle of reality denial.
They genuinely believe there is a worldwide conspiracy involving thousands of parties and millions of people working tirelessly to manipulate evidence. Flerfs will literally tell you Israel and Palestine are colluding on a conspiracy.
I sure would like to know why this Joe Hanvey dude has all those telescopes (INCLUDING EQ MOUNT!?!) in the background during his interview with TFE. Such a weird look for one of the biggest proponents of pizza land.
Paraphrasing: 'the sun is always above the plane on flat earth, the sun is just too far away to be seen (when night). So what about all those stars light years away, I can see them.
Never mind the stars, they'll just lie about how far away they are. I think a better point is that he claims "the sun has moved far enough away that we can't see it any more", but meanwhile the light from the sun is clearly hitting your camera or you wouldn't be able to see the sky or the plane against it! When has anyone ever been unable to see the source of a light, but you can still see things ILLUMINATED by that light (unless the view of the source is physically blocked by something).
There is a beautiful and elegant proof that confirms the Earth is round. The making of a traditional sundial it's only possible in a round earth, unless the Sun is capable to move every 15 degrees in the sky at random velocity.
Politics are inherently subjective since they require one to have an opinion on how to resolve sociopolitical issues (which rarely have an objective solution). My gripe with politics isn't the subjective nature, but the absolutely ludicrous tribal mindset that politics engenders.
I do love when someone sets out to prove their point only to soundly prove themselves wrong. It's even better when they refuse to accept their own evidence of that fact too.
It doesn't even have to be an airplane, the same phenomenon can happen to the underside of clouds! I love the sunrise and sunset when high stratus clouds glow orange and yellow from the sun shining on the bottom of them.
The plane one works best though as flerfs tend to argue the sunlight is passing through clouds from above, but nobody can argue that light can pass through a solid metal fuselage.
Toon's First Law of Flerf confirmed once again! 😆 That's great that you were able to help someone get back on this side of the fence Dave! I love how everyone remembers Rusty when they talk about discovering this channel.❤ I've even caught guys like Toon having to say "the guy with the dog" when asking someone if they know your videos. 🙃
My favorite flerf conversation I’ve ever had EVER was them trying to explain that “the sun was made of cold” because he thought all fire or hot things, came from “cold things” (?) because the inside of air conditioners were hot, but made cold air. God I love these people.
I mean. That's...not *entirely* wrong? Cold is just the lack of heat. Honestly that alone proves he's a hundred times more observant than other flerfs.
@@5peciesunkn0wn yeah, but he was trying to explain, and literally thought, stars, and fire only happened when things got *colder* not more hot, (colder to a point…. And then caught fire so instantly got hot ????? Idk exactly what he meant) only because, air conditioners make cold air, but the air conditioner itself is hot
@@aufstieg6948 I mean, with how much stuff around you that has an opposite thing occur, when "hot thing makes cold stuff" is an observation, it makes sense to go "cold thing makes hot stuff", at least for a little while. It's pretty clear he hasn't tried making a fire since the only way that works...is with hot stuff making hotter stuff. (Or even rubbed his hands together quickly...)
@@5peciesunkn0wn yeah that’s pretty much what I was trying to explain to him, was that for things to get hotter or catch fire, the molecules have to become more energetic, but he was trying to argue that, like with applying friction, the temperature went *down* until the ignition point was hit and then instantly became a 1000•+ flame. Like he was also explaining that the core of the sun was close to absolute zero (he said “coldest ever” but thats the coldest I can think of so) and because of the core being so cold, it caused the outside to be so hot and active I wish I could more properly convey his mindset because it was insane to read, like he almost convinced me for a second, because he was using proper terms and math but always lost me at the air conditioner analogy, and the fact that what he was basically saying was, “the temperature of an object goes down until ignition, and then spikes up to its ignition point” which just isn’t true.
@@aufstieg6948 and that's also not how an air conditioner works. Since an air conditioner is pulling the heat out of the air, the cold thing would have to pull the cold away. There wouldn't be any 'suddenly reaches ignition point and temperature flips', it would simply just get hotter and hotter until it smolders, then smokes, then flickers, then flames. Would make for an interesting magic system. I've already stolen 'moon is cold' for my stuff lol
Of course he decides to use his out of focus camera instead of his glorious P-90000, and still debunks himself, then starts lying about it, then posts the video anyway. Way to go!!
Do you suppose he purposely used the worse phone camera instead of the really good camera? (I can see a phone camera not being able to focus well on a plane far away, but if I wanted to debunk the idea of sun under a plane, I'd want to use the best camera I had - but, then, I would go "Wow!" if I realized I was wrong.)
The former flat earther hits on a major reason why I like McKeegan, and have issues with Prof. Dave. While I agree with the science Prof. Dave presents, I do not agree with how he fills his videos with insults, constantly calling people idiots or morons. That doesn't help. No one likes being called stupid, repeatedly, and it just drives people away, especially the ones he's trying to reach. McKeegan on the other hand, always seems like one of the nicest people you could meet. He never belittles anyone, it feels like all he honestly wants to do is teach people, open their eyes.
What do you think it feels like for the entire scientific community to be called either too stupid to figure it out, or lying frauds, as they are often called by flat earthers? Because there is only those two options, if the earth truly was flat. I understand Prof. Dave's position.
@@maxine_q Because calling them stupid will only make them n-times-down on their stupid ideas. They may be stupid, but we all once were. It takes a teacher with patience and grace to reach those in darkness an guide them back into the light.
While I agree that how McKeegan presents info is a better way of actually convincing people that the earth is not flat (and also why I like his content), I can’t say that Prof. Dave is completely wrong for publicly lambasting the more prominent flat earthers like Dubay, Weiss, Witsit, etc. These people objectively suck and deserve to be made of fun/humiliated, especially since they are probably just grifters who will never admit they are wrong.
goes to show that evidence works, but it takes respect, patience and kindness for that evidence to have a chance to take root in their minds. you did great, Dave!
Every International Airport on this planet presented their flight overview on a Globe Map. Must be a very strong, very secure conspiracy between all those Airports, wouldn't it?
Flat-Earthers always focus on a single observation to prove their own world model or to disprove a round earth. They ignore the fact that a round earth explains ALL observations, while no flat-Earther can provide even one working model of his world.
@@Globeisahoaxx That's a stupid demand. 1. The buildings in australia are not "upside down", as down is just in another direction. 2. You would just say, that the camera is upside down. "Flat earther doesn’t need to provide anything. They know for a fact globe is a lie." - How can you know something, without anything backing up this knowledge?
I recently flew on a plane taking off shortly after sunset and got to witness a second sunset a little later from up there. Same argument from a different vantage point but with less the confusion about hitting the right reflection angles in order to see a lit bottom of the plane. 😉
In some places you can get that with skyscrapers - it needs to be rather unobstructed and no mountains to the east/west, but can be quit nice to be on top of the building and see a sunrise, then go down and see it again.
They keep on about these P950s. Makes mevwonder why NASA spent all those millions of dollars on a new space telescope when they could have sent up a P950. We'd have seen right into Mrs Zog's kitchen on Arcturus VII by now.
@@JohnGarciaOHMSS They wasted all that money on the large Hadron Collider they could have used a P950 and photographed all the Higgs Bosun things they wanted. Disgraceful.
You should make a video with footage of mountains, volcanos and the like casting shadows up on clouds above them. I would love to see a flerf try to debunk that
It frustrates me as a geographer that debunking seldom progresses past such visual observations. The entire, enormous field of global air circulation is well described by a globe, and yet, since it requires an understanding of meteorology, it is not mentioned, and flerfers have never presented any model ggat I can find that explains any of it. Crickets. It's a serious void in their thinking that they cannot even attempt to explain it.
I haven’t come across Joe Hanvey before but the one thing that got me on this video is where he’s sitting in front of two equatorial mounts. Each with a small refractor plus guide scopes with digital guide cameras. What looks to be at least a 90mm fast refractor sitting in the background as well. And with what certainly looks like dedicated Astro cameras. Yet he’s promoting flat earth? Is this someone else’s equipment which is there for effect? He’s snuck into someone else’s house? Is this a trolling act? As to be able to understand let alone be able to use this type of equipment and be a flerfer just does not add up
Your channel is clearly one of the best flat Earth debunker channels just by the simple down to the facts and clear explanations and no mocking or name calling. I wish more people would argue this way in general.
Flat earthers debunk themselves so often that sometimes I start to think that these are actually round earthers trying to show people how ridiculous flat earth really is.
Never underestimate the ability of a flat earther when it comes to debunking the flat earth
Wait long enough and flerf will unite General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics in a single elegant equation.
@@FScott-m1nNo way. They are allergic to math. There is this Darryl guy (I hope I'm not wrong about the spelling) that asks them to do math, and they twist themselves out of shape to not to 😂
@@ivanpetrov5255The operative phrase being "given enough time." If a a gibbon with a typewriter can recreate Shakespeare, flerfs can solve physics' biggest problem -- but only if they're trying to prove FE.
@@ivanpetrov5255 I love it when Darryl asks them to show the math. The look of a deer caught in the headlights as they quickly deflect and try to avoid math at all costs.
@@FScott-m1n I think you'll find the quote was an infinite number of monkeys
Admitting to be wrong is such a strong move.
It is. But honestly, it's much easier to not assume we know everything like some people do.
@@Elon_Tusks it’s not only much easier but also more honest.
We can’t know everything
@@Elon_TusksI've always been happy to tell people that I don't know anything. It saves them time finding out.
Overcoming the pride and self-assurance and delusion that can build inside a person for only a few days (let a lone for years) is no small feat.
That the whole crux of it all. I believe a lot of the people can comprehend or don’t understand the facts, and a lot of them are ignorant to the facts. Mix that with someone who is so set on being right they refuse to even for a second admit/accept they could be wrong, or that someone else could be right. I think that’s why it’s so hard to convert a lot of these people, there’s multiple issues at play. That’s why I’m really curious to see what happens with TFE.
I watched an episode of Catfish in which a guy thought he had been talking to Katy Perry. Even after confronting with the real person, he had a hard time accepting the truth. Even when she said things only the two of them would know, he made excuses to fit his beliefs. I really think this will be the issue with TFE. I’ve already guessed a few will say there’s another sun that moves in line with the “perspective” of people standing in that area of the flat Earth.
I used to ask flatearthers how the sunlight can hit the underside of clouds during sunrise and sunsets. Eric Dubai used to delete my question, so I know for years they’ve known about it and buried their heads in the sand.
You're too kind. They're not burying their heads, they're lying.
Dubious Dubay has always deleted any comments that question the accuracy of his assertions. He only allows his cult members and echo chamber to comment. Dubay knows full well that he's lying, but that's cult leaders for you.
Well - they bury their heads somewhere.
Well, to be honest, they can just say the light went through the clouds… but no one can question the fact that light cant go through a plane.
@@RogueOrracleif they honestly believe something is not a lye but it’s also not fact
Again Dave, your greatest strength is that you don't go and just insult flat earthers all the time. You make points or counterpoints using science and observations, make 1 or 2 minor slights a video, and that's it. We need more people that do this in discussions. Don't lose this.
Has Dave ever insulted a flerf? I don't remember any cases like that. Compared to the rest of the debunkers, he is still very civil with them.
Exactly. You don't need to gloat about being cleverer than a flat earther any more than you need to gloat about beating a grade schooler at arm wrestling.
Thanks, was going to say the same thing. Stay kind
i rather enjoy professor daves snarky comments.. plus the good prof lights up the apologist not the rank and file.
professor dave explains can't go 5 seconds without insulting someone, I told him I was religious and got harassed for 3 days straight by him and his fans.
Never mind the whole "the sun has already set beyond the horizon" admission.
Anyone who has ever been out on the ocean (far away from land) will note the stars are clearly visible near the horizon. If the sun is "too far to see" (thus causing darkness), how far away are those stars? 🤣🤣🤣
If it's not too far beyond horizon it can still light up the planes.
They keep changing their mind, trying to figure it out and make sense of it because they want it to be true... because if it isn't true, they look like fools. Ultimately, letting go of personal pride and believing you know better than anyone else, let alone the brilliant scientists that built the world of convenience most people who believe in flat earth are priviledged to live in, is the only way - Dave himself being humble but factual does wonders for leveling that playing field into something more approachable.
Empathetically acknowledging that these people are manipulated and exploited by a 'non-profit organisation' that claims the world is run by a shadow government perpetuating some kind of wild conspiracy is in itself a sad reality to return to.
Of course he meant to say “appeared to set, due to perspective”.
@@tamfang I don't understand what they think is going on with the sun... I really want to know and have them explain it. Gurantee it's good to start more discourse in the FLERF community on how FLERF works - I don't know how someone can walk out of their front door and just believe they're matter experts on something that can't be proven.
Amorel has a good point. I tend to avoid channels and creators that go after people, insult appearance, behave in toxic ways towards others. I think the lack of that, the respect that Dave gives to even his detractors, is really cool and admirable. Good stuff.
Agreed, most flat earth debunkers, are really not better than the flat earthers themselves in how they behave, and never really "debunks" anything, rather just points fingers and laughs essentially. Dave McKeegan being one of the very few exceptions, to actually go out and explain why the flat earthers are wrong
@@GummieImost of those channels have simply gotten tired of explaining the same old things every time a flerfer opens their mouth, it’s an exhausting task. I don’t blame them for their attitude towards them, but I agree that it’s less productive than McKeegan’s style.
I think it's effective to have a variety of different approaches and formats. It's why "good cop/bad cop" is a thing.
@@GummieI " and never really "debunks" anything"
Which one?
Most i see do show that the earth is not flat and do show that the flerfers are lying - and then proceed to rightfully mock them.
@@SkullpunkArt I think it's fair to get tired of explaining the same points, but at that point, why continue making content around debunking or disproving flat earth?
Flat earthers are experts at unintentionally debunking the flat earth.
Great job Joe showing us that the earth cannot be flat as his own video showed the flash of a reflection on the underside of the plane right at the start. Bravo
Dave is the BEST debunker because he doesn't use name calling or sensational click-bait in his videos. Just calm, clear explanations. Glad he's going on TFE. He's a great representative.
Agree! There’s a Danish (??) guy who always ends his video with “safe landing” and who illustrates things as brilliant as Dave does, but he’s seldom around nowadays.
@@Soundbrigade I think the channel you're talking about is "Mission Control".
@@thearmouredpenguin7148 Exactly! Thanks a lot. Also Bob The Science Guy makes a lot of effort to demonstrate without much but a slight irony.
PS. So you are over 7000 armoured penguins ... cool!
also he is petting a Dog while doing so, which makes him clearly superior above all others
@@dyamonde9555 My favorite part is when the dog clearly thinks Dave is talking too much with his hands and pulls them down. Cause, you know, those are for petting!
He claims it reflects of the top of the plane. How would you see that if you're below the plane?
And didn't he say?
"The sun has kide set BEHIND the horizon."
How can something "Set BEHIND a Horizon on a flat disk?".
Atop/below are just social constructs
Flerf physics? 🤷♂
obviously the plane is flat or CGI
@@Nickoguya It's flying upside down.
Apart from its tail.
There isn't a single person alive on this earth who hasn't believed one stupid thing or another at some point in their lives. It's how you handle being corrected, learning, and then teaching others with grace that makes you a genuinely good human being.
Dave McKeegan is a genuinely good human being. 💕
This is more than that, though. This is willful ignorance mired in a series of poor choices.
Yep. I used to thing dark energy and dark matter were different sides of the same coin, virtual particles. Then I did the energy budget calculations and found it couldn't possibly be, so now I don't know what dark energy and dark matter are, again.
I think this is the element where people are changing since the rise of being able to connect online with others who believe the same stupid thing people don't just work it out for themselves or listen to advice from their family or friends. I like to think I don't reach a conviction in all but the most self apparent things. In general, widely accepted scientific principles demostrated over decades and centuries are a safe bet to stand by. Expert or not.
As a child I had a clever theory about what thunder was:
A lightning bolt split the clouds in half and thunder was the sound of the clouds crashing together again.
Still kinda proud of that one😅
@@DieMorrachild you wasn't...*entirely* wrong. Needs a lot more water to work though. ;) like a fishtank's worth and a mantis or Pistol shrimp.
Rusty's channel, feat. Dave McKeegan
He's a good doggo.
...and we know Dave's perfectly fine with that! 🙂🐶
If somebody else makes a good point, then we should boost their signal. Facts are facts and this isn't about ego.
It's like Emu Limu...and Doug.
Seriously, I'm going to be so disoriented if Rusty isn't in Antarctica for TFE.
I love the flerf's ideology of "I tried observation once and didn't see thing therefore all of science ever is wrong!"
For observations in real science to become a standard, it is tested under scrutiny literally THOUSANDS of times through many different controls and variables.
Often done after strawman-ing the claim you're attempting to debunk. Changing "you can see sometimes see light reflecting on the bottom of planes" to "you must always see sunlight reflecting on the bottom of planes". He then cherry-picked the wrong cherry and proved himself wrong anyway. 😂
Or, "I could really prove it if I wanted, but I can't be arsed to get me proper equipment out..."
@@Cheepchipsableor they claim they have done it, and that they've provided proof, but its been "deleted" or whatever lol
The trip is actually working, that is great.
Yeah and they haven't gone yet.
It will only work on the minority of flat earthers. The majority of them believe in flat earth regardless of facts and logic, so "debunk" videos and "trips" are meaningless for them
Did I hear that this trip is free?
Because I'm a flat Earther. None of the doors in my house have curved bottoms, and there is a wall of ice protected by armed penguins employed by NASA surrounding Australia. If the sun is bigger than the moon, why are they the same size? Nobody has ever seen a total eclipse of the sun at night. Pluto is no longer a planet because it fell off the firmament. Open your eyes and wake up Sheila! The truth is up there.
When do we leave and how many cardigans do I need to bring?
If it saves a few of them from going down the rabbithole of not trusting science and believing shadow goverments and all scientists are lying to them, worth it.
@@stevewhite6861 and now that they have gone the FE community is fracturing even more
And this is why Dave McKeegan is my favorite debunker
Ditto!
As long as there is lunacy there is Dave to debunk it in the best way possible.
Watching Flerfs accidentally debunk their ideas is a guilt-free Schadenfreude for me.
As i said previously
I dont cate about schizophrenic flatearthers
I just like to look at more and more ways to prove the shape of the planet
One doesn't need any "more and more ways" maybe hundreds of years ago but today, no.
@@soulcrewblue8629 i understand that, its just interesting to look at.
New ways of thinking, new ways to start from, new points like " Wait lets look at here"
@@sirex9244how about the fact that the moon rotates by the same number of degrees as your change in latitude if you move north/south across the globe?
@@sirex9244 Yup, seeing new ways to prove the same thing can be quite interesting, and deepen your understanding of that thing - I've got the kind of brain that proves basic mathematical principles when I get bored for exactly that reason, and I've found a few different ways to prove that various methods of multiplication work, as well as some proofs of Pythagoras's theorem, and they often improve my understanding of some facet of mathematics.
But then again, my brain's weird - I'm pretty sure most people don't get excited about buying a calculating device that predates them for the first time (on a *totally* unrelated note, I'm the proud owner of a circular slide rule).
@@Autoskip I used one of those to pass my A-levels back in the day. Mine had four layers that slid giving you multiple operations on the same rule, and places to store temporary numbers. No good beyond a couple of decimal places though!
I used to be a flat earther. But then I turned 4
You buggered the joke.
I remember being a toddler and seeing the huge mountains surrounding my town on all sides and thinking that's where Earth ends. Crazy that some people never leave that stage lmfao
When I was around 6 years old I was told the earth was not flat as I assumed.
Took me a few months of keeping an eye out to be convinced.
@@slavicemperor8279I’m from the Netherlands and I used to think the earth was actually flat.. until I went to elementary school 😂
When I was young I used to believe we lived on the INSIDE of the globe. I was horrified to find out we lived on the OUTSIDE - because I was worried we’d be hit by something coming from space.
4:55 Besides his photographing the illuminated underside of the plane, his statement: "The sun has set behind the horizon over there" sure did a good job of debunking the globe.
That's what I was thinking! How can the sun set behind the horizon on a Flat Earth where there is no horizon?
@@stainlesssteelfox1 A flat plane still has a horizon: but it extends to infinity, not ~16 miles.
@@jamesphillips2285 Yeah, but it's kind of hard for the sun to set behind it.
It's just Snell's law!
@@scottviola8021 How is Snell's law relevant?
Dave, what I like the best about your videos is how you explain everything. Nice and simple, just pointing out the flaws, and doing it in a very friendly way.
Please keep them coming
Earlier this week I saw a beautiful sunrise. The sun was still below the horizon but the undersides of clouds to the east were wonderfully lit from below with red, orange and yellow hues. For most people this is probably more common than finding a plane lit from below. I would hate to be at local noon when the sun is only a few thousand feet up.
They claim that the sun is actually shining through the cloud. That's why the plane is such a great counterargument because everybody knows the light can't pass through the skin of the airplane.
I think the claim (insofar as flerfs ever make claims) is that the Sun is a few thousand _miles_ up, not a few thousand feet. Equally stupid but more survivable!!
@@ceejay0137 not really appreciably, no. you need a few more zeros tacked onto that figure. you need to get a few /million/ miles from the sun to improve your survivability in a quantifiable way.
a few thousand miles, on the scale of the sun, is nothing.
@@ntdschererand if the clouds are broken you can see that the tops are dark - only the bottom is lit. This has always been a enjoyable part of the day and lasts only a short time. Soon the sun rises higher
I tried kindness until they felt superior in every way and insulted me for knowing the earth is not flat. Mostly because kindness is usually misinterpreted as weakness.
That’s why it’s more fun to insult them. 😂😂😂
@@ItalianOrlando now I'm merciless.
"Kindness cost nothing, but cruelty is more fun!"
If they're willing to be civil, I'll be civil. But once the insults start...
The use of kindness is different each people
How do you act kind?
Funny that in the interview between Will Duffy and Joe Harvey (at about 4:00), Harvey has several telescopes behind him with equatorial mounts. Harvey didn’t want to talk about that.
Thank you! Was searching for this post before doing one my own. It baffles me how you can use an equatorial mount, show it behind you, and declare the earth is flat... That dude is the quintessential FE's poser 😂
Are you sure he knows what actually a equatorial mount is?!! Or he's just a poser to present himself smarter than he really is.
The moral of the story; flat earthers never miss a chance to debunk their own theories.
A commercial for the Flat Earth Society once claimed they had members all around the Globe....🤣
Yeah because that's satirical organization/website/whatever.
Joe Hanvey: "The sun has set behind the horizon" and "The sun is still above the plane." What a lovely contradiction! 🤣
I was like what horizon? I swear sometimes they speak out of character.
I've seen videos by Creaky, FTFE and now you showing recovering flerfs admitting they'd started to come around after seeing debunking videos. Hopefully you all keep putting out content that starts to make these guys start to see reason.
That's encouraging.
Flat earth: the earth is stationary, the goalposts are not.
@@AaronCook83 Ah! If they only understood and accepted!
Wow, I just looked up "Hoisted on one's own petard" in the dictionary and found his video as an example.
I used to look up his photo in the dictionary under "gullible" but sadly that entry has been removed.
@@flowingafterglow629 Great word, isn't it? Petard!
For those who haven't looked it up, a petard is a bomb with a short fuse. Medieval warriors would chip out a hole in the wall of a castle and fill it with black powder and a short fuse. Then he would run for the hills before he was hoist by his own petard.
Had a brief interaction with Joe Hanvey, I pointed out a few flaws with his model, how his model was inconsistent with others, and asked how he would explain a few phenomena with his model. He called me a “globe zealot” and refused to answer any questions.
He does that. He also deletes comments, like if you point out that his "kaleidoscope skydome" idea is completely debunked by his own star trail mockup photos showing perfect mirror images.
@ that’s what I told him, and he responded with something along the lines of “hey, quit calling out my non-functioning model, globe zealot! I’m making an explanation at some point!” Which was about a week ago, and he’s made a video slandering Will Duffy, but not a video explaining how his model somehow turns mirror images into completely different images. He’s also, to my knowledge at least, never;
1. Shown what the sun looks like from the ground in his model
2. Shown how the moon works in his model
3. Explained how seasons work in his model
4. Shown a full demonstration with his model and a map
And many, many more.
During the Vancouver Olympics we here in Campbell River (about 180 km away) could easily observe the US AWACS aircraft they had circling over the area as a guard against terrorist attacks. You could frequently see the underside of the aircraft lit up by the setting sun.
In that FB video he posted, he said, "the sun has set behind the horizon". How does a flerf define "the horizon"??
8:05 Dog, “Hey dad? I’ve been a very good boy, time to stop talking about flat earth and give me a head scratch”.
Huge respect to Amorel for uttering the words "Maybe I'm wrong..", it take big balls and a lot of integrity to say this..
MCToon's First Law of Flerf:
Flerf citations always contradict the flerf’s claim. No exceptions.
And #gottalietoflerf was also shown to be true again
"15 degrees per hour"
Thanks Bob
Flat Earthers have a massive fanbase all over The Globe
I did something I don't usually do, because I hate the idea of giving these people views, and went to find the oiriginal video. Imagine my absolute shock when I found comments were turned off. Because nothing says 'I have confidence in my explanations' like banning any discussion about them.
Praying on children, the coward.
These people claim they just use their eyes to prove their nonsense and then just lie about what their eyes are telling them.
Imagine seeing a sunset and still thinking the sun is above that plane.
technically, that never happens.
no flat earther has ever been observed to THINK.
all flat earthers look at a sunset and SAY the earth is flat ... but they don't actually THINK it ... because they can't
They can't hold more than one thought at a time. So they jump between 'sun over plane' and 'sunset' rapidly, never connecting the two to notice the contradiction.
I can literally see the shadow of the horizon move up mountains in central Australia. How does that work on a flat earth?
Flerfers can't agree on an explanation, or they just deny.
Some of them even believe Australia does not exist, and you are all just paid actors.
Flerf: I am sorry to inform you that you do not exist 😅
Last week I saw a high altitude aircraft lit up from underneath at sunrise, and a lower altitude aircraft all in shade. Will attempt to get a photo next time
Say what you will, but for an ex-flat-earther to be able to humble themselves and publicly admit they were wrong shows a level of maturity that frankly most of them just don't have
I truly believe that at some point in their lives most every flat-earther actually does figure out that they're totally in the wrong but that they're so invested by that point (mentally, emotionally, socially, financially, etc) that the sunk-cost fallacy kicks in overdrive and they just keep the grift going strong as ever (probably reversing again and re-convincing themselves in the end lol)
Just proves flat earthers are all about vibes and feelings. Not about evidence
How is this even possible -- in this Day and Age -- that someone can believe that the Earth is flat? This is so beyond my comprehension.
I've thought about this myself. I think it's just an extreme version of hyper-skepticism brought about by a conspiratorial mindset. I've met a few people who weren't necessarily flat-earthers, but they were so skeptical about "established narratives" that they basically just question or deny everything that they haven't seen with their own eyes. It's basically an excuse to be a jerk.
Welcome to the group! 🙃 Pull up a chair and get comfy...
@@stevej71393 "extreme version of hyper-skepticism"
But they are bling believers with no scepticism what so ever. It is just indoctrination and hubris.
"or deny everything that they haven't seen with their own eyes. It's basically an excuse to be a jerk."
But they deny even what they them self have seen - as is evident with the subject of this video where he filmed a planes underside being bright and still denying that.
Lots of US Talibangelicals do so, because believing in a globe Earth, to them, goes against what their Buybull tells them, & is thus Satanic...
Yeah I mostly agree with Steve here, this is the reason usually. And I blame the information age and the internet. Access to so much information and the ability to search for answers yourself has bred an attitude of "don't trust the authority/expert" in almost any specialist field. Unfortunately the information age allows the spread of misinformation just as much as information. Flat earth alone is mostly harmless, but if you don't trust NASA then you probably don't trust doctors either, and that's where it can get dangerous. It happened all the time in covid with medical expertise. How little about science the average person understands astounds me sometimes considering the amount of knowledge we all have access to these days.
Well done Joe, even with a modest cell phone you demonstrated evidence for the globe. 🤣
Quick question for the Flerfers who show up here:
How come all images of the Flat Earth are obviously Photoshop or CGI? Why are there no high altitude images that back up Flerfer claims? Why no pictures or video of the edge or underside?
“GoVeRnMeNt WoLuD sHoOt Us DoWn!1!”
As we’ve seen in the Final Experiment, they’ll always have another excuse.
Has anyone who had to commute between Chile and Australia, where the fastest route is to fly over Antartica, ever noticed that there is no ice wall?
I want to know what kind of job you have to get in order to commute between Chile and Australia on the regular.
That sounds awesome.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee A Penguin feeder/ammo supplier
@@JohnGarciaOHMSS I'm in. Where do I send my resume? 🙂
@Green_Tea_Coffee ill give ya the email of the second in charge. You must submit a blank non voided check and SSN as part of the background check.
@@chrispyfryguy Is the check sent to a nigerian prince?
I love how Joe used just ONE SINGLE plane to totally debunk the FACT that you can't get underside light on a flat earth
The irony to say 'fails scrutiny' is possibly one of the funniest things I've read from a Flerf
I appreciate how Dave addresses this topic without being arrogant or condescending. Even when responding to others.
As much as I've enjoyed some of your videos on flat earthers, I've mostly ignored them as "yelling at people too fundamentally stupid to be able to recognize they are wrong".
I'm so happy to be wrong. I'm glad some people are taking your responses and actually waking up to how they've been misled! This is great news!
Love your videos. Had a flat earther tried to accue me of using nasa cgi to trick people that space is real.
I must add that your dog is doing quite a good job to attract viewers. ;)
I love that his "debunk" was a cell phone video of a particular plane that didn't happen to be in sunlight, rather than an explanation of the general observation that planes reflect sunlight from their undersides after sunset.
@DaveMcKeegan any little thing that starts them questioning makes every hour you spend on this so worth it.
„The sun has set behind the horizon“ … everything is said and done at this point 😂
The question I always ask is, why would anyone want to fake the earth being round, for what reason would want to?? I never get a straight answer,.....
Land, control, power, but they never go into any detail on exactly what that means, or even why lying about the shape of the planet would do that
@@aufstieg6948 Some do. "They" are trying to hide the existence of "god", by faking the shape of the earth.....
Something Something shadow government Something Something they Something Something... and then you dig and, oh look, 1930s era German propaganda is buried in the center of it all. I mean, just look at "proof" 198 of Dubey's "200" "proofs"...
So, his argument is that every video or picture of a plane with its underside lit up is… cgi or something? Sure, the one plane he looked at wasn’t clear for him, but that doesn’t change the rest…
As you see, even if he see a reflection on his video, he will deny that it is from the bottom of the plane. If you persuade him that it is from the bottom, he will say that it is light reflected from Earth surface and then from the plane. Or that camera manufacturers add special code to all camera firmware to draw these reflections. Or everything above at once. It is just a never-ending cycle of reality denial.
MANY flattard have shown badly-out-of-focus pictures of stars, and claimed that proves stars DON'T EXIST.
they are THAT pathetic.
They genuinely believe there is a worldwide conspiracy involving thousands of parties and millions of people working tirelessly to manipulate evidence.
Flerfs will literally tell you Israel and Palestine are colluding on a conspiracy.
I sure would like to know why this Joe Hanvey dude has all those telescopes (INCLUDING EQ MOUNT!?!) in the background during his interview with TFE. Such a weird look for one of the biggest proponents of pizza land.
He must have the worst case ever of cognitive dissonance. Anyway...😃
As a person who knows the earth is a globe 🌎. I just come here for that beautiful Dog!! 🐕 ❤❤
Paraphrasing: 'the sun is always above the plane on flat earth, the sun is just too far away to be seen (when night).
So what about all those stars light years away, I can see them.
My flat earth friend believes that all the stars (as well as the sun and moon) are under a dome, so stars light years away don't exist.
Never mind the stars, they'll just lie about how far away they are. I think a better point is that he claims "the sun has moved far enough away that we can't see it any more", but meanwhile the light from the sun is clearly hitting your camera or you wouldn't be able to see the sky or the plane against it! When has anyone ever been unable to see the source of a light, but you can still see things ILLUMINATED by that light (unless the view of the source is physically blocked by something).
You're not wrong, but a lot of these people don't believe the stars are light years away either.
Flerfspective! Obviously... :)
They aren't stars, they're "lights in the sky."
There is a beautiful and elegant proof that confirms the Earth is round. The making of a traditional sundial it's only possible in a round earth, unless the Sun is capable to move every 15 degrees in the sky at random velocity.
Dave offers a kind of argument derived objectivity that i wished politics would have
Politics are inherently subjective since they require one to have an opinion on how to resolve sociopolitical issues (which rarely have an objective solution). My gripe with politics isn't the subjective nature, but the absolutely ludicrous tribal mindset that politics engenders.
@@Vykk_Draygo 100% This. Its the future of your country not your football team
I do love when someone sets out to prove their point only to soundly prove themselves wrong. It's even better when they refuse to accept their own evidence of that fact too.
Gotta love flerfs proving themselves wrong and not even noticing it.
"A 15°/hr drift"
Thank Bob.
It doesn't even have to be an airplane, the same phenomenon can happen to the underside of clouds! I love the sunrise and sunset when high stratus clouds glow orange and yellow from the sun shining on the bottom of them.
The plane one works best though as flerfs tend to argue the sunlight is passing through clouds from above, but nobody can argue that light can pass through a solid metal fuselage.
@@Hawk_of_Battle Right! And visible light can pass through clouds like I can pass through a solid wall!🤣
Toon's First Law of Flerf confirmed once again! 😆 That's great that you were able to help someone get back on this side of the fence Dave! I love how everyone remembers Rusty when they talk about discovering this channel.❤ I've even caught guys like Toon having to say "the guy with the dog" when asking someone if they know your videos. 🙃
Wow. "Ex-flat earther" is a concept I never knew existed. There's hope after all, thanks to videos like yours, Dave.
There's a few that exist.
Why do they still bother? So much more to life!
they like the attention from the cultists and hope to create bigger channels with that nonsense.
Yep money and the feeling of being the one who knows "the truth of what NASA is hiding"
"The sun is set below the horizon over there." He debunked himself right there.
to them, HORIzon is apparently derived from HORIzontal which is even more stupid
@@suparibhauparticularly because it's the other way around lol
The first law of flerf: Flerf citations always contradict the flerf’s claim. No exceptions.
Joe Hanvey needs to learn what a "falsifiable hypothesis" is.
My favorite flerf conversation I’ve ever had EVER was them trying to explain that “the sun was made of cold” because he thought all fire or hot things, came from “cold things” (?) because the inside of air conditioners were hot, but made cold air.
God I love these people.
I mean. That's...not *entirely* wrong? Cold is just the lack of heat. Honestly that alone proves he's a hundred times more observant than other flerfs.
@@5peciesunkn0wn yeah, but he was trying to explain, and literally thought, stars, and fire only happened when things got *colder* not more hot, (colder to a point…. And then caught fire so instantly got hot ????? Idk exactly what he meant) only because, air conditioners make cold air, but the air conditioner itself is hot
@@aufstieg6948 I mean, with how much stuff around you that has an opposite thing occur, when "hot thing makes cold stuff" is an observation, it makes sense to go "cold thing makes hot stuff", at least for a little while. It's pretty clear he hasn't tried making a fire since the only way that works...is with hot stuff making hotter stuff. (Or even rubbed his hands together quickly...)
@@5peciesunkn0wn yeah that’s pretty much what I was trying to explain to him, was that for things to get hotter or catch fire, the molecules have to become more energetic, but he was trying to argue that, like with applying friction, the temperature went *down* until the ignition point was hit and then instantly became a 1000•+ flame.
Like he was also explaining that the core of the sun was close to absolute zero (he said “coldest ever” but thats the coldest I can think of so) and because of the core being so cold, it caused the outside to be so hot and active
I wish I could more properly convey his mindset because it was insane to read, like he almost convinced me for a second, because he was using proper terms and math but always lost me at the air conditioner analogy, and the fact that what he was basically saying was, “the temperature of an object goes down until ignition, and then spikes up to its ignition point” which just isn’t true.
@@aufstieg6948 and that's also not how an air conditioner works. Since an air conditioner is pulling the heat out of the air, the cold thing would have to pull the cold away. There wouldn't be any 'suddenly reaches ignition point and temperature flips', it would simply just get hotter and hotter until it smolders, then smokes, then flickers, then flames.
Would make for an interesting magic system. I've already stolen 'moon is cold' for my stuff lol
You know what else should be impossible on a flat earth with a sun that's higher than all airliners?
SUNSETS.
Anybody want to guess he tried it with a long lens but kept getting results that didn't fit his assertions?
Yes, in fact, he was going to zoom in more on his phone but stopped because he saw it.
@@bcsemotorworks2462 And then he was too dumb/lazy to find another plane to video. Guy's a fail master.
@@Slicerwizard Yup. He's a grifter preying on soft minds.
@@bcsemotorworks2462 It's so nice when they give themselves away like that.
Someone pointed out that the plane is all the way on the right of the frame; aka well after the sun would have been lighting the bottom up.
Of course he decides to use his out of focus camera instead of his glorious P-90000, and still debunks himself, then starts lying about it, then posts the video anyway. Way to go!!
Does not matter. Joe can equally well shoot his foot with Benelli MP95E or a FN M1900, there's going to be a hole in his foot either way :-)
Do you suppose he purposely used the worse phone camera instead of the really good camera?
(I can see a phone camera not being able to focus well on a plane far away, but if I wanted to debunk the idea of sun under a plane, I'd want to use the best camera I had - but, then, I would go "Wow!" if I realized I was wrong.)
The former flat earther hits on a major reason why I like McKeegan, and have issues with Prof. Dave. While I agree with the science Prof. Dave presents, I do not agree with how he fills his videos with insults, constantly calling people idiots or morons. That doesn't help. No one likes being called stupid, repeatedly, and it just drives people away, especially the ones he's trying to reach. McKeegan on the other hand, always seems like one of the nicest people you could meet. He never belittles anyone, it feels like all he honestly wants to do is teach people, open their eyes.
The people Dave goes after aren't simply mistaken, or victims of fuzzy thinking, they're outright liars
What do you think it feels like for the entire scientific community to be called either too stupid to figure it out, or lying frauds, as they are often called by flat earthers? Because there is only those two options, if the earth truly was flat. I understand Prof. Dave's position.
@@maxine_q Because calling them stupid will only make them n-times-down on their stupid ideas. They may be stupid, but we all once were. It takes a teacher with patience and grace to reach those in darkness an guide them back into the light.
While I agree that how McKeegan presents info is a better way of actually convincing people that the earth is not flat (and also why I like his content), I can’t say that Prof. Dave is completely wrong for publicly lambasting the more prominent flat earthers like Dubay, Weiss, Witsit, etc. These people objectively suck and deserve to be made of fun/humiliated, especially since they are probably just grifters who will never admit they are wrong.
@@hobojoe9717 They rest assured are scammers, no doubt.
How exactly does he see the Sun shining on top of the plane, when the plane is above him?😂
The sun is below the horizon AND above the plane... how would that even work?!
It's not.
Flerfspective is how lol.
It is also of note that some clouds in the video are also lit from the underside, debunking phlat erf.
Now I want to rewatch the video. I was so focused on the plane that I didn't notice that.
"The sun has set behind the horizon"
He know the earth isn't flat
goes to show that evidence works, but it takes respect, patience and kindness for that evidence to have a chance to take root in their minds.
you did great, Dave!
Every International Airport on this planet presented their flight overview on a Globe Map. Must be a very strong, very secure conspiracy between all those Airports, wouldn't it?
Flat-Earthers always focus on a single observation to prove their own world model or to disprove a round earth. They ignore the fact that a round earth explains ALL observations, while no flat-Earther can provide even one working model of his world.
No it doesn’t. Till this day no one can show me a video of Australia at the bottom of the globe, with buildings upside down
Flat earther doesn’t need to provide anything. They know for a fact globe is a lie
@@Globeisahoaxxfunny you say that, since flerfs can't show any evidence to support that claim.
@@Globeisahoaxx That's a stupid demand.
1. The buildings in australia are not "upside down", as down is just in another direction.
2. You would just say, that the camera is upside down.
"Flat earther doesn’t need to provide anything. They know for a fact globe is a lie."
- How can you know something, without anything backing up this knowledge?
@@Globeisahoaxxno it doesn't. Till this day no one can show me a video of the ice wall.
Joe's video is the equivalent of "there's no sun in this particular video therefor the sun doesn't exist"
After he pans away from the plane you can see clouds lit from below - so that debunks him too.
Huh, a flat earther is wrong. Who could imagine?
I like how Amorel wasn't sure of Dave's name but 100% knew Rusty.
Really cool to hear that someone found this observation compelling enough to put them on the track of getting out of FE. Well done!
I recently flew on a plane taking off shortly after sunset and got to witness a second sunset a little later from up there. Same argument from a different vantage point but with less the confusion about hitting the right reflection angles in order to see a lit bottom of the plane. 😉
A double sunset sounds like a slightly disturbing experience ngl
@@dudono1744 "Chasing the sunset" or the "sunrise chasing you" are both pretty amazing experiences.
In some places you can get that with skyscrapers - it needs to be rather unobstructed and no mountains to the east/west, but can be quit nice to be on top of the building and see a sunrise, then go down and see it again.
With the Concorde you could see the sun set in Europe, fly to the US and once landed see the sun set again, on the same day.
5:22 but, you could bring back the sun with a P950, can't you?
They keep on about these P950s. Makes mevwonder why NASA spent all those millions of dollars on a new space telescope when they could have sent up a P950. We'd have seen right into Mrs Zog's kitchen on Arcturus VII by now.
@@Benjiesbeenbetter. And if can make small things go big, imagine pointing it to the floor, you could see atoms and neutrons as well
@@JohnGarciaOHMSS They wasted all that money on the large Hadron Collider they could have used a P950 and photographed all the Higgs Bosun things they wanted. Disgraceful.
P950? What is this, amateur hour? Everyone knows a REAL flat earther would use a P1000 😉
What's the deal with flerfers and P950 cameras?
Huge W that you flipped a Flat Earther! And he had kind words for ya! Well-deserved. I wonder how many you can convert after Antarctica!
You should make a video with footage of mountains, volcanos and the like casting shadows up on clouds above them. I would love to see a flerf try to debunk that
"never underestimate us flat earthers! We always debunk our own ideologies!"
It frustrates me as a geographer that debunking seldom progresses past such visual observations.
The entire, enormous field of global air circulation is well described by a globe, and yet, since it requires an understanding of meteorology, it is not mentioned, and flerfers have never presented any model ggat I can find that explains any of it. Crickets. It's a serious void in their thinking that they cannot even attempt to explain it.
I haven’t come across Joe Hanvey before but the one thing that got me on this video is where he’s sitting in front of two equatorial mounts. Each with a small refractor plus guide scopes with digital guide cameras. What looks to be at least a 90mm fast refractor sitting in the background as well. And with what certainly looks like dedicated Astro cameras.
Yet he’s promoting flat earth?
Is this someone else’s equipment which is there for effect? He’s snuck into someone else’s house? Is this a trolling act?
As to be able to understand let alone be able to use this type of equipment and be a flerfer just does not add up
Flat earthers love to debunk the flat earth. 👌
Your channel is clearly one of the best flat Earth debunker channels just by the simple down to the facts and clear explanations and no mocking or name calling.
I wish more people would argue this way in general.
Flat earthers debunk themselves so often that sometimes I start to think that these are actually round earthers trying to show people how ridiculous flat earth really is.