My main issue with these flat Earthers is; the ones that were offered a trip down but denied it, have ZERO right to say anything about TFE. They forfeited that right when they chickened out on going to see it for themselves.
They would definitely rather live in their delusions. Rather evident. But no suprise. I know a few in real life and they prefer to live in a fantasy and they can be rather arrogant about it too 😂
Flat Eathers: YoU cAnT gO tO aNtArCtIcA bEcAuSe ThE mIlItArY wOnT lEt YoU! Everyone else: Hey let’s have a marathon run in Antarctica, any and everyone is welcome to come. Itll be fun.
Also: some tech bro just attempted a solo Antarctic crossing before getting medically evacuated a few days ago, and a race car driver is currently doing a cross-Antarctic drive with a crew and a couple of modified trucks. He's documenting all of this on his Instagram page.
@@Green_Tea_Coffeeright! Tons of people have done similar things in the past as well. Hell even the Top Gear crew drove to south pole lol from the airport obviously.
@ @Dave Mckeegan should do a livestream with Captain Disillusion where they discuss the difference between real-world CGI and what flerfers think CGI is capable of.
I take it the next Avatar movie will be delayed because all those CG artists quit to work for no money on a super secret project to convince a couple of flerfs that the globe is ... well, a globe. Cameron must be fuming at this! 🥶
The LEFT boot. If it was a right boot, that would be fine, but everybody knows a left boot is a mark of devil or something like that. A true free-thinking flat earther wears right boots on both legs, no matter how uncomfortable this is.
@@dityacivilizaciinot only that, but he performed the well known Masonic “Boot under the table” ritual which clearly summons Apollo, a demon who controls the sun.
Here's a little experiment in logistics (will flerfs let me call it that?) I just checked the stats on the Sphere - it seats 18,600 people, and has 54,000 square metres of screen. My calculations show that at 15cm (6 inches) thick, just the screens would take up 81 semi trailers, or 9-10 747 cargo planes of space to transport. The hire costs of a 747 are $25 - 35,000 per hour, so it's about $350,00 for a single return trip from Punta Arenas to Union Glacier, just to transport the screens, assuming the screens don't need to come from anywhere else. And remember, it's TEN trips! The numbers just get ridiculous, but ok flerfs,you believe what you want to.😂
The idea that millions of dollars and what would have to be years of planning were spent just to fool a handful of small to medium-sized youtubers is hilarious. They really think they're that special
These are all people that didn't make it through traditional institutions and disguise their failure by blaming the "system". They make outrageous claims because they have next to no critical thinking skills, and hope to be vindicated by these theories.
@@ey3z4ya I made this same point. We can’t actually imagine how it feels to be that self absorbed. To a person, every Flerf thinks the only reason they aren’t living the life they fantasize about is the Freemasons or Illuminati are sabotaging them.
That's not entirely true. People who might just be introduced to the Flat Earth can be persuaded not to go over the Cliffs of Insanity. It's much harder to explain the truth when they have a lot of time and ego invested in Flat Earth.
The reason they don't understand elementary physics is because anytime they ask a question and you try to answer they talk over you. Lack of interest, lack of decency or short attention span, call it what you will.
Raise your hand if you expected all this and more coming from the delusional side of an argument that doesn't even need to exist. Nothing will ever be a proof for flerfs.
@@MartinSmith-u8p different "arguments" but all refused the final experiment. Like they refused any other proof and will forever keep doing so with that doesn't fit their delusion or bring water to their waterwheel in the form of attention and money
I've said it several times that the Green Screen debaucle was the best mistake he could have done because it PROVED (to people who understand greenscreen) that you weren't using a GS to project the background.
If you have any video editing experience you'd know getting a crisp chroma key real time is basically impossible. There's a halo effect you need to remove and the constant changing lighting means you need to constantly fine tune the settings to remove that.
@@GrumpyIan Precicely. Green screen is tricky enough in post production (where it us done 99% of the time) to get perfect. It's even trickier to do in real time. I hadn't considered that nuance, but yes... you're right!
As a Catholic Christian, at around 13:00 when he utters "God says" I cringed. Just a reminder that it's usually evangical protestants that spout the young earth nonsense. I refuse to check my intellect at the door. Faith and science can work together in harmony.
@@psyc840 some parts are historic points of view others are lessons from a setting 2200years ago… learn some Koine Greek to read it for yourself in the oldest text we have. Cursive Koine Greek can be very difficult… talking from experience…
What’s funnier (and sadder) is that many of our foundational scientific principles were all discovered by theists since for them, knowing more about the world was their way of appreciating their god’s creation. What’s sad about this is that many power-hungry clergyman refused these findings not out of dogma, but out of greed.
It's standard for them. Like how they think NASA were cunning enough to somehow fake weather patterns on the earth from space before it happened, but too stupid to remember to put stars in the sky. 😂
@@SubRosaUSA footprints are expensive to add. Do you know how hard it is to track every step 8 people make with how much walking around they all did. Well 7 people, Witsit just slept off his hangover.
@@phillipbireta9308so whatever conspiracy is "hiding the truth" can afford to fool billions of people every day but can't afford to fix some footsteps?
So NASA has a secret Truman Show sized LED dome, since its big enough to have planes take off and land from, that is impossible to see at all. But they can't make a circle on the screen keep the same shape? That makes sense.
As for the footprints thing, that’s something only someone not used to snow and cold would talk about. Snow that has been compacted under serious cold will get hard as concrete even outside of arctic or antarctic conditions. The area around the camp would only be soft just after new snow falling. Where I am there’s a rock hard layer of compacted snow all around our facilities, and it will be like that until it melts in a few months. An important part of managing the grounds in winter is to make sure to get a smooth ground cover of compacted snow, not trying to remove the snow entirely.
@sleepyjoe8958 Eratosthenes measured the earth circumference in around 240 BC and people kept measuring the Earth. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy In 1791, we even use the polar circumference to define the length of 1 meter. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre Just because you don't believe it or you don't measure it on your own doesn't mean it is not true. On the other hand, what is the size of the flat pizza earth according to your flerfs' "scientific proof"? did you measure it to check the number? If you haven't measure the flat pizza earth then why you believe it?
@ It's amusing that you've asked me why I told you to grow up in the same sentence that you typed the words 'prove your spinning water ball'. Self-owning comedy gold.
Agreed, and all I know is each one of them is just becoming sad at this point, and giving them ANY attention even if negative boosts them. This is why I just ignore their stuff, never bother with it and just let Dave Mckeegan here and his Brothers-in-arms against these loons do their continued work!
Flat earth isn't a belief in flat earth. It's a belief in the belief in flat earth. They're afraid of losing their identities as flat earthers because it is the whole notion of that worldview they are married to.
Top post. Same with all the rest of the conspiracies, Trumpism, 99% of religious activity. Costly signaling and group adhesion are stronger than just about any rational argument. It takes a motivated person to de-program themselves.
To be fair, that's pretty normal human behaviour. I'm sure there are beliefs that you were married to when you were younger that you now realise were incorrect (the belief, that is). But this is also a clue as to how to respond to the flat Earth. Think about times when you would have died on a hill regarding something, but later came to realise that you were in error. What was it at that previous moment in time that prevented you from accepting contrary evidence. Distill that, and you will be able to understand why flat Earthers think the way they do.
Could you imagine actually wanting to be known as a flat earther 🤦ewww these people need to be studied by psychology. How funny would it be if the whole movement really was some CIA psyop! Haha this whole time the ultimate truthers were actually participating in a government study! 😂
I would guess around 99% (actually, probably 100%) of flerfs are also hyper-religious (mostly christian from what I've seen), and part of their belief is anchored in their interpretation of their old books. So asking them to forego their belief in flat earth is inextricably connected to the belief in their religion. That is why they hold on to it for dear life, because they cannot give up on the promise of whatever they think their religion has offered them.
Even if you took all flerfers on a rocket up in space, showing the globe, they still say: "Nuh uh, fake, we must have been drugged or something!", and maybe they are 24/7.
@ why is earth the only star or planet in our solar system that is flat disc? Why are the other planets we have found in other systems round as well? How bout you find another planet like earth that is flat and then we can discuss. It’s ok if this is just what you believe, that it’s your own personal religion. Nobody would challenge you. But when you try to buttress up flat earth with science, that’s when people get cranky.
Live Production TD/LED Technician here: the footage used in LED studio environments is generated and rendered in real time so that the cameras position data (XYZ coordinates) can be used to affect various aspects like depth of field, exposure, parallax shift, etc. The footage displayed only appears to be "correct" from a single perspective, being the single active camera used to capture the footage. The fact that you filmed with multiple cameras in real time from numerous, widely spaced vantage points means that it is physically impossible for it to have been filmed on an LED set in this manner. These studios simply do not work in the incredibly simplistic way that Dubay and others think they do.
That proves either that it's not real, or that the studio is so comically massive that it would reach those mountains in the background so basically, it's either not real or not real.
You could use active 3D display tech and have each camera synchronised so that only one camera is being exposed at a time and the wall is showing the background just for that camera. I’m not saying that they did, because they didn’t, just that it’s not impossible to do a multi camera led wall setup.
@@darkmooink69 "You could use active 3D display tech and have each camera synchronised so that only one camera is being exposed at a time and the wall is showing the background just for that camera." In all my years that may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
I love the idea of it being a greenscreen, completely missing that fact that it would be replacing the green screen with a black background with TFE on it and not an antarctic landscape. If his top had a patch showing an icy landscape which matched the background they'd have a point. The mistake is actually just a nice clear demonstration that it can't have been a green screen background.
Like, the closest argument they could manage is it being a double bluff. Use a blue (or other apt color) screen for the background and then use a separate green-hued chroma key to cause a hole in the jacket with the intent that making it seem like there was a green screen mistake, which would be easily explainable, and therefore would add veracity to the footage. This of course would be a ridiculously stupid gambit that would be far too likely to backfire and makes far more sense to be the given answer of a genuinely errant chroma key.
@@BarioIDL Devil's advocate here, but no, it wouldn't prove that at all. Just because you ruled out one possible way in which the video could've been faked doesn't mean it's legit. For that you'd have to rule out _all_ ways in which it might've been faked. On the other hand, we're civilised folk, we normally start from the assumption of innocence until proven guilty. By all means, the flat earthers are welcome to try and poke holes in the logic or discredit the video. But if those attempts yield no results, they should just accept the possibility that their beliefs might be wrong.
Wait a minute. Weren't all these FE guys offered the chance to go and refused? Therefore they have no right to question the validity of the footage. They had their chance and threw it away. Now they have no standing to challenge the results.
Exactly. Like why even bother talking 30 mins in this video. It could have been a short saying - you refused to come, therefore your argument is invalid.
Have noticed a bit of an attitude change from Dave Mc, Critical Think and MCToon since they came back. Still relatively cordial (maybe not Toon) but there’s an irritated, take no prisoners, we were there, surgical unravelling of all the latest flerf talking points. It’s glorious.
I love how they think you all could just setup multimillion dollar top of the line movie/tv studios, and also somehow do real-time rendering and editing of all of this. They really just don't understand anything. It takes movies and TV months or over a year to finalize post production depending on the quality and amount of shots they have. And this is with 1000s of people working on everything. It is so ridiculous. They don't understand reality. Have they never been to a ski hill? Have they never been outside, how do they not understand how light and shadow work. So. Any times they are like that us not how it should look but I can literally go outside and see that is exactly how it looks in reality. I really think a lot of flerfs have some sort of visual processing disorder.
Millions? The Las Vegas Sphere cost $2.3 BILLION to build, and they are claiming that they did this all in Antarctica and on a scale never before seen. The cost would be unimaginable. Obvious Dave has some serious financial backing if he is doing that.
In a sane world, you're right, but given government psy ops and technology, a world so distorted, even governments deny the two sexes, it makes for an environment to engender doubt and a delusion for a flat earth.
@@cotboy Yes, it cost that much to build. But it doesn't cost that much to use. The rest of the money comes from people's pay for acting and doing the productions. That comes to the millions for each use of it. Even so, Will financed the trip, not the "studio". Many of the others that went financed themselves, or crowd funded to go on the trip. Way too many of the flerfs have near zero understanding of the simplest things and are so easily fooled by the grifters.
I used to wonder how can they all come to consensus when none of them know what they're talking about and it's being made up as they go along - then I realised it's exactly like how a ouija board works. They each push in a vague direction and gradually converge as it approaches something coherent. Then they all nod as if that's what they were all thinking all along
They are a perfect illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect: Literally too stupid to know how stupid they are, literally utterly incompetent, yet supremely confident. As Mark Twain once said: "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
These flat earth weirdos will NEVER concede that the earth is a sphere simply because it would destroy their grift. If their grift is over, the money dries up instantly. They KNOW the earth is spherical in their own minds, they just will not admit it. It would be game over for them.
@@propfellaare you on drugs? What about the millions of people who KNOW the Earth isn't flat? Are we also making money out of it. That's the most Strawman deluded bollocks I've ever heard. You people should just give up thinking, it obviously is too big a strain on your pitiful perceptual capacity!
@@propfella The distinction there is that the flat earthers are always the ones clutching at straws to ignore points/arguments/observations/models or unsubstantively shift the goalposts.
@@3dtrekker182 are you guys aware that the million-dollar Pastor who funded this observation literally teaches a sermon about how lying and deceiving is not actually wrong?
Funny how they also ignore the fact that it's the Freemason who is supposed to be wearing only one or no shoes, not that they wear two shoes and just have a spare shoe around. Oops.
I love the fact that Dave has footage of the battery within the boot. That just destroyed the claim which was nonsensical to begin with. Like, that's not healthy, clearly. That's not a healthy way of thinking, that's borderline deranged and he needs to get help.
The average flerfer can't even spell "postproduction" let alone explain what it is. To them, CGI is just a magic wand you wave and it instantly creates whatever visuals you want.
But it's the Freemasons! They must have the funds to do this. Must have been giving quite a reward as well to not have the flat earthers there say anything about the thing. We all knew this wouldn't convince them (those who wouldn't take the offer to go there).
Something as basic as the reality of special effects or how difficult they are is not going stop them from making idiotic claims. It never stopped the moon landing conspiracy theorists why should the flat earthers be any more reasonable.
Kinda interesting how little we understand intuitively about temperature. It can be 20°F with no wind and bright sun, and it feels relatively warm, but it can also be 60°F with a breeze and no sun and feel freezing. Noticed this a bunch on my motorcycle.
Yeah people who don't work outside don't understand this. I'm always in 20 to 0 degree weather and sometimes 32 with a windchill of 10 is worse then 20 degree zero wind. Wind is what makes it really really cold. That's why carharts are made with material that blocks wind, wind is the real threat.
@@tehhazard9029I work in an industry where we often work in freezing conditions with little to next to no humidity. Unless people know what it’s like to be in these environments they think it’s like a winters day.
@betaradish9968 Yeah, I have worked many years at a Cargill meet plant, I'm an electrician. Always 31 degrees, and I can work in a hoodie for 12 hrs, no problem. I honestly feel bad for some flerfs, I mean I think at some point 90 percent of people entertain the idea of flat earth but at the end of the day it's simply not true for 1000s of reasons you could find in TFE alone.
It is Truely astounding the lengths educators will go to, to help people understand a topic. Not many of the Flerfs will ever appreciate the effort put forth for their benefit.
Excellent. Just a wee note about _The Mandalorian._ The LED backdrops were rendered from a computer knowing the exact position and angle of the ONE main camera on set. When you see "behind the scenes" footage you can clearly see the distortion of the "forced perspective" they used to make things look far away, from the main camera's perspective. Things just look wonky from other perspectives. Not exactly possible with the multiple cameras all filming each other on Union Glacier. 🙂
If Chromakey was used then Wills jacket would have been affected also, BLUE screens are as widely used as GREEN screens. And the drone also proves it isn't a studio when Will sent it up to 5000 feet, why couldn't we see the studio below? TRY HARDER FLAT EARTHERS 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
eeh, it's not that much effort from them. the sad part is that debunking them probably takes exponentially more effort than it takes for them to make up excuses.
The studio excuse is hilarious because it took so long getting money to go to on the trip, so where the hell did we get all these extra millions to make a whole studio?
Not just the millions to build the studio. You'd need money to transport it to Antarctica. Along with a full-blown power plant to run the thing. And also the construction guys to build it. And the IT staff to make sure the technology works. And the CG artists to make the background models/environment. And, of course, the hundreds of CG artists would need a place to work, so they would have needed to build an office building and fill it with servers and high-end workstations.
@@Rev03FFL Things get dicey when you start telling aerospace engineers, welders, rocket scientists, and project managers that they have to drop what they're doing and learn how to make better-than-Hollywood levels of CGI.
@ "Wait, so I have to spend all this time doing all this CG work, but I'm not allowed to put it on my demo reel or portfolio? Yeah, no thanks." - Every CG artist ever.
"you really think Satan can't pull this off?" is by far the best and funniest quote i have heard about this so called fake event. It always comes down to the same conclusion: "You can't discuss facts with a religious cult"
@Yehan-xt7cw the whole idea of god is funamentally flawed, since it relies on the idea, that a being who can forsee the past and future, and is perfect and loving, can somehow fuck up this bad.
The whole thing is hilarious, Jeran has been ostracised for telling the truth and Witsit has found that you can't have a foot in both counts and his lying instinct has left him reviled by people on both sides. I think Word-salad Witsit needs to find a new grift, he is done in this one.
we'll just build the studio on location, to have the best of both worlds, that way we pay to build the studio and pay to fly out to location....wait hold on...
The virtual production argument only works if you had only filmed with one camera. The volume requires special software to fix the parallax of the background from the camera, as soon as you introduce more than one camera you start seeing all sorts of distortions and movement in the background.
Exactly. Funny how flerfs immediately drop their favourite argument of perspective as soon as it becomes detrimental to their position. The background objects would not change no matter which camera was filming them if all they were all on a big screen. They do, so it's not.
@@andysmith1996 well, it's because it's Flerspective they like, which behaves however they dictate rather than, you know. The predictable way actual perspective does.
Not true actually, I work on a volume set and there is an experimental option where you run the volume at double framerate, and show different frames every other frame synced to 2 cameras.
Every single copium factory on the (flat) planet is working three shifts, but they STILL can't keep up with the demand from flerfs. The supply is so scarce that a single ounce of copium is selling for just over three Bitcoins.
Trying to make this "experiment" the "final experiment" was the ultimate goal post shifting. When has any true globe skeptic said that the behavior of the sky shows you the surface is curved and retains water? Why is it so hard to measure the curvature of the earth and show us it's indeed curved?
@sleepyjoe8958 the point of the experiment is to prove that flat earthers are full of sheet when they say that there is no 24 hour sun. it's not hard to measure the curvature of the earth. you just have to measure the movement of the stars in the sky on different latitudes in both hemispheres. you would quickly notice that the movement of the stars is consistent with the globe model. or just look at a ship at a distance and see that it disappears from the bottor up. that works too.
@@mrhuman4049 The point of the "experiment" was to present evidence (with the help of a green screen) for a strawman argument. We do not observe our ceiling to measure our floor. If you are claiming that the earth is a spinning water globe, you should be able to show me measured surface curvature to back that up. The question you should be asking yourself is why it's so hard for you to do so?
@sleepyjoe8958 0.0145 degrees of curvature per mile. is that what you want? No, we can use the movement of the ceiling changing in relation to our position on the floor to figure out the shape of the floor. 1 more way to know that the earth is round is by measuring the coriolis effect. You can do that in your house my pouring some water in the sink and watching it spin clockwise/counterclockwise depending in which hemisphere ur in.
I noted the green screen problem in the live-stream, then thought for 10 seconds, connected the points and came to the right conclusion. And then slept well and forgot about that.
Truly, anyone with even the slightest familiarity with green screens or video editing software would react exatly like you. To see flerfs legitemately freak out over this, was baffling.
Flat earthers are people that would be regarded as not very smart even if they didn't believe in a flat earth. So, instead of that, they join the FE community where they feel validated and even specially gifted.
Oh, yeah. Chilean here. I didn't know Flatzoid is South African. I'm certain that guy has never been outside long enough as to realize southern stars circle the other celestial pole. Amazing.
TBF it was always desperate. Ad hoc after ad hoc after ad hoc after ad hoc. I mean, since it's such a stupid belief to have, with 0 predictability or rhyme or reason, realistically all they have are ad hocs. To the point that eventually all their ad hocs start contradicting each other.
Are these people insane lol. A LED studio. What do they think you are Disney or something. It myths me how they must think all people who work in observatories around the world or aerospace companies are all in on it. Insane.
@@Steelninja77 they have no concept of how much anything costs or how far NASA's budget would stretch (after paying off their thousands of shills and faking all the countless, real-time satellite images and videos).
Yes, they do. They think if Disney does anything, Disney capable and willing to do the same thing hundreds of times larger, covertly, just for the flat earther. The concept of scale doesn't exist; they're the main character, so of course everything is about them.
They think NASA/Freemasons control everything and that their budget stretches to paying off thousands of scientists, teachers and shills on TH-cam, faking countless images and videos from space every day and can arrange a pop-up dome studio in one of the most undeveloped regions in the world just to piss off a hand full of TH-camrs that no one seriously cares about.
@@bingethinker791 Boy you've been getting lied to since 1927 when Universal Studios first Showed you a spinning ball and then Walt Disney continued to lie to you and this was ALL before NASA (started) lying to you about the same subject. And NASA still getting that yearly budget off yo ass.
Took me so long, because I had to find out. Asked a family friend, who IS a mason, about the left boot thing. His response "What the hell is a left boot ritual?"
I can tell almost exactly what the temp is by the sound the snow makes under my boots when I walk. Rest assure that a Floridian will come and tell me that I do not know what I am talking about. I am a Canadian pedestrian who did patrol the Tundra in winter.
As am I. The complainers have never been outside on a cold day. But their actions were quite predictable as they all work backwards from their conclusion and either fantasize real evidence away or fantasize non-existant evidence into existence in order to save their conclusion. This is why so few flerfs were willing to go. In their minds they didn't need to.
If you grew up in snowy areas, you can guess the temperature within a degree or two just by the feel of the air and the sound of the snow. And yeah just watching the TFE videos I can assure anyone that it was definitely cold there 😊
I've never seen snow in my life, living in tropical countries and even I could figure that the snow was just very compact. Who would want to walk around mounts of soft snow when there's a clear path made by big vehicles.😂
They don't want to have their beliefs changed because it is all it is. A belief. They have no evidence of anything but they feel like they know something secret and it somewhat makes them special 😅
yep, as soon as they find anything that proves them wrong, they immedieatley weasel out of it by making up science gibberish they dont understand, because at the end of they day, they are not "truth seekers" they are belief upholders.
@@BiblicalTeachings The worst part is that most of the big names in the flerf space (it's actually sad that that's a thing but nvm), make a living off of this bs. So most of them don't actually believe in the FE, they just scam and fool gullible people because they're evil pieces of filth.
If you took a shot every time a flat earther used a logical fallacy to respond to an argument, it would take about three minutes of scrolling through youtube comments before you'd have to get your stomach pumped.
The fact that these people think NASA is in cahoots with these guys, and have some massive studio that can house entire crews of people, planes, gear, etc., all without ever being visible to anyone, but can't manage to not show the green screen or consider shadows is hilarious.
They have always been desperate.. Because their identity, worldview, and self worth depends on flat earth being a thing.. IF they would have to admit to it being nonsense, they would enter into a complete existential crisis. Many of them also hold this belief as a means to cling to their religion. this is what is at stake for them.
@dco8562 no. Science exists because of proof. No belief is required. Religion exists despite proof, only belief required. Science helps us understand reality. Religion only helps people to deny it. You are a great example of the latter.
@@Scudboy17 Belief in religion can exist regardless of evidence. But blindly following something is just naivety. Same thing applies to science. I don't personally know you, but I'd be willing to guess you haven't done personal observations of Kepler or Neptune, but you believe they're real (as do I) because the evidence shows these are real places, that the scientists researching these places are trustworthy. It's entirely possible to apply that same standard to religious texts and come to the conclusion some are real events from a reliable source and others are not.
And another thing. Are these people employable? I’m on the marketing/creative team for a billion dollar Swiss Chocolate company with US office in New Hampshire. If someone ever spewed this crap in the office they would immediately be the laughing stock of the corporation and more then likely they would very easily find a reason to boot them off the team.
@@winduberry So, you're responsible for all of those free samples that got me and my wife hooked! To us natives, it's all too familiar who your employer is. Like yours, my employer is also in New Hampshire and a billion dollar industry. And, like yours, my employer is also based out of Switzerland.
It's actually quite astounding how flat earthers manage to dismiss such overwhelming evidence, just because they found something in a pixel somewhere that they don't understand 🤣
@@jeffcapes I think the majority of flat earthers are just extremely gullible, and have an implicit distrust of authority and science, so they latch on to conspiracies like this which seem to fit their world view. Then there are the much smaller group of pure grifters - Dave Weiss, Nathan Oakley, Mark Sargent, Eric Dubay, etc, who are lying and making stuff up, in order to squeeze money out of the gullible group. There's also some crossover, where they actually believe the garbage they spew.
Weird how he has to make a dozen videos trying to explain the myriad of "glitches" that just happened to occur. If it was real then why would he need to do that?
@ because the glitches are real, and flat earthers are hammers looking for a nail. if they see something unusual, they wont try to find evidence of what it could be, they just use it as confirmation bias, they dont seek the true explanations because they have a preconception that they are constantly striving to get back to. that they pick up on a million little details they dont understand and leap to a conclusion that its all a conspiracy is the reason each of these details needs careful explanation.
Another point that should be mentioned about the "volume" LED backgrounds is that they are flat projections. They only produce the proper 3D perspective for a single viewing position, the position of the single camera for that shot. You can't shoot multiple cameras unless all the background objects are far away. This is possible as the backgrounds are all 3D models and can be produced and modeled to provide the correct perspective for one and only one camera position.
It's really funny that all footage of the Earth's curve from space cannot be trusted because of the existence of fisheye lens distortion, but when they think the distortion proves their point the camera can be trusted completely.
Anything Eric Dubay or David Weiss says about TFe is null and void! They had their chance to go and said NO! they knew it would end their lying grift. Great video again Dave! Love your work and videos. You always hit the nail on the head!
My favourite thing about "king nico" and his claim that you were in antarctica but went to a film studio in antarctica to fake the 24 hour sun, is just how logistically absurd the notion of a huge, hi-tech LED studio in antarctica is. How does he think they power all that equipment? Obviously he doesn't think they would use solar power.
he doesnt think at all. he even clearly says that. He started with "Holy Book says there is no 24h sun, so the video is fake." and then just randomly cast around for stuff to explain the fakeness. He doesn't actually really believe the stuff with the studio, it's just the best he could come up with on the spot.
You see though, that's the brilliance of it! The sun stays up for 24 hours in the summer in Antarctica, so solar panels are perfect for powering a studio to show a fake 24 hour sun! (This is a joke)
To be honest it was ridiculous and hilarious for me at first, but I'm getting concerned now. The year is 2025, and millions upon millions of people are THIS ignorant and stupid. I don't know what the future holds, but if we continue like this it's not very bright.
@huzzzer6083 A short little side-track: just look who’s going to be in charge of the USA in a few days: DJT of all people … 🤦♀️ That tells you a lot. Most of these people voting for him have absolutely no problems with irrational “thinking”. Hence, a flat earth seems perfectly fine to them. After all, it LOOKS flat all the time, doesn’t it …or so they say … Except when it doesn’t of course, but that makes their brain hurt, so they just pretend anything to not have to cope with that. And the solution is so simple, their “problems” could be solved with just a simple model. It’s inexplicable really, why they just don’t accept reality for what it is. The “funniest” part is, all these people have no problem whatsoever to use technology in its finest form day in, day out. If they had a clue about how this technology actually works, it would just blow their mind. You would have been burned at the stake for it 500 years ago, for performing magic and wizardry that apparently should be the exclusive domain of some “higher power”. Yet, here they are, thinking not 1 yocto-second about it.
As a Albertan, a retired carpenter/scaffolder, who worked a lot of hours over 30+ years before my retirement 2.5 yrs ago, i can verify that a very bright sunny day at -40C in the sun, with no wind, and you're moving around, yes you shed outer layers to prevent overheating and to slow down sweating. For the flat earthers, if you sweat in sub zero (C) temps, and take a break outside, you run the risk of many things, such as frostbite, and hypothetmia.
Only today a friend and I were talking about the pros and cons of the world staring at screens rather that actually living life, I said a con is misinformation and went on to mention the flat earth movement, my friend did not believe me, did not believe people were stupid enough to believe the earth is flat.
@@SkylerLinuxI know how averages and normal distributions work, so I absolutely believe people are that stupid. I mean, think about the average person, and how smart they are, and think about the smartest person ever, and how much gap there is. There's someone as much stupider than average as there is smarter than average.
there are a lot and I mean A LOT of biblical literalists in the Bible Belt who all subscribe to flat earth because God's word is inerrant. Just watch any of their videos and the comment section is a scream - I have to resist trolling them as its not my style.
They're more characterized by arrogance than stupidity; trying to educate them is merely seen as going against them. When they go on about the bible, it's not because that's convincing or accurate or even what they believe; it's because other bible thumpers got to exploiting their weaknesses. This is a main strategy of cults, building fervent mobs of the ignorant.
Sun changing shape thing: There were two 360 cameras there. Sync them up, they can't have both been at exactly the same orientation, so you'd see the overlaps on each camera at different times.
The claims of a multi-million dollar "volume" or 360 movie studio popping up out of nowhere in Antarctica are just hilarious as there is literally ZERO indication anywhere of such a thing. In addition to all the points you discussed here, during that first 1/3 of the real-time 24 hr footage a snowmobile can be seen driving from the far distance (Union G) all the way to this secondary camp. The guy gets off and goes into the blue shed and then comes back out, gets back on the snowmobile and drives back to Union. How the bloody hell would that have been possible if you guys were in an enclosed 360 movie set? Did the snowmobile magically drive out of the LED screen like that girl from The Ring?
A bit of a strawman, as their argument wasn't that there was a studio in Antarctica, their argument is that they rented out a studio somewhere in like Hollywood. Still stupid, though.
“They are using a green screen” But the green screen doesn’t show anything that would hide anything 😂 Also: do they realise how much effort a dome made from screens showing 4k pixels would be let alone the size of buildings it would be in?
Also how impossible it would be to live render reflections from multiple surfaces with different curvature, at different angles, from different positions, moving independently in all degrees of freedom? Multiple people are wearing sunglasses in these videos while walking and turning their heads...
Do they also realize how much electricity such a thing would require? Where is the power plant? Or do we just put solar panels around it, because the sun doesn't set?
I wanted to apologize to you, Mr. Mckeegan. Some years ago when I first came across the wacky world of Flat Earth on TH-cam I convinced myself that the flerfs and the debunkers were just two sides of the same coin. Yet after seeing how committed many of you are to this I've come to believe that you're not just in it for the dollars.
Dave McKeegan, I'm impressed by your patience in debunking all the flat-earth nonsense. It's like you're a teacher trying to teach the alphabet to a class of particularly stubborn kindergartners.
@@benzene_sandwich I can testify to a mate of mine going all flat earth on me, and always had a tendency belittle me about me getting SSTV images from the ISS and low Earth orbit weather images. He'd claim it was all from ground based transmitters as satellites are also fake, as well as living on a pancake. It would be incredibly hard, and more effort than it's worth to fake signals coming from satellites from ground based transmitters. The transmitters would have to mimic Doppler Shift, and also signal strength for passes of different elevation. And do this for everywhere on earth over VHF (for the satellites I'm talking about here) would be a ludicrous operation to fake just on the offchance that someone wants to have a go at receiving a weather Image from a satellite. Keep in mind that the Acquisition of Signal is going to be different everywhere, That would also be true for Doppler shift too. Let's say the satellite is transmitting its signal over VHF FM at 145.8MHZ. When the satellite comes over the horizon (Acquisition of signal) the transmission is received at a higher frequency than the centre frequency of 145.8MHZ in our case. and well assume that it was at around 146.2MHZ when we are first able to pick up the signal. As the satellite goes through its pass from horizon to horizon, the transmission is received at 145.8 MHZ in the middle of its pass. And as the satellite passes the halfway mark the transmission is received lower than the centre frequency of 145.8 and will continue to fall until Loss of Signal (or as he satellite falls below the horizon for me). Like actually me in that exact location. Different pasees from a satellite will be at a different elevation on each of its passes, and somehow the transmitter would need to know about that annoying hill that always blocks my flippin; signal :-) Again, just for me. As it's going to different for someone else that does not have any hills to contend with, and is likely to receive the signal for longer than me. Maybe my next door neighbour has a 20 foot mast, and has the receiving antenna mounted on top of it, and the hill is not an issue for them. Then it would have to be a different transmission for them as it would be for me. As the the alleged ground based transmitter in my area would have to simultaneously drop in signal strength for me, whilst being strong for my next door neighbour. Which of course would be impossible to do. Yep, that's a good point, The signal strength is (assuming you do not have any obstructions from your location), at its highest in the centre of the pass. And gets stronger and weaker as it passes from horizon to horizon. And my point being not only would the alleged transmission in my exact location have to slowly increase and decrease its signal strength for what you are trying to receive but mimic Doppler too. When one actual satellite does this nice and easily without having to set up elaborate infrastructure to fake the actual effects that happen as a satellite transmitting a signal passes from horizon to horizon. I mean for instance, I used to and you are still able receive some nice detailed satellite weather images form the Russian Meteor Satellites. Of what value would it be to a Russian Group of scientists making sure that there's an antenna at the local transmitting station in my location just in case I might like to have a go at receiving them. It would be of no value to them would it. Again one Satellite does all. So here's one for ya and flat earthers reading this. prove otherwise that NOAA weather satellites send their signals from low earth orbit. This is something all of you can do for very little money. And then You can prove to yourself that satellites are real, of which some transmit DATA that even You as the public can use for free. The logistics of faking signals from the ground is mind boggling. Anyway, this took way longer than I intended it too.
Well besides grift, from what I saw here some of this is driven by a literalists interpretation of the Bible. Facts contrary to what is laid out in the Bible is an attack on their faith
Come on, I'm sure they could do the second one for like half the price. And that'd obviously make it a good deal for them if they were trying to fake a $35,000 trip. After all $1,200,000,000 is cheap by comparison! Just ask Dubay.
Because flat earthers have been doing research on who is deceiving them. you would also know a lot about Freemasonry once you find out who is deceiving you. have you ever even seen free Masonic cosmology? They teach Flat Earth. Flat Earth is just another secret you learn in the fraternity as you move up in degrees. Every Freemason does not have the same knowledge because just like any other fraternity the knowledge has to be earned. Freemasonry is not a secret organization because no one knows they exist. They are old as hell, it's a secret organization because of the knowledge they keep from the rest of the masses. You have to become a Freemason to learn these things unless you're able to figure it out some other way.
Notice they still haven’t figured out how to get a 24 hour sun in Antarctic in a flat earth so they fall back on trying to discredit anything on TFE. Disproving TFE doesn’t prove the earth is flat, you still have yet to demonstrate that.
but... The special (imaginary) half-dome mirror and 2nd (imaginary) sun outside of the dome makes a 24 hour sun imaginable, I mean, possible. You couldn't make it up... But of course the Flerfs did.
It's very interesting in that regard. A little disappointing that this will make a mark on our time in history, but very interesting in that regard. I think many thesis papers will be written about these people.
Anything that Eric says should be ignored anyway *because he was offered a chance to go there HIMSELF and see with his OWN eyeballs....and declined.* His reason? "They knew I would never agree to go so that they could use this against me over and over" (I'm paraphrasing from an actual comment he left under his video). So, according to Eric, he didn't go...because they knew he wouldn't go. Got it. That makes perfect sense. And you should hear the excuses that Pastor Dean Odle is giving now (he was also asked to go and declined). "The devil is making that sun go around the horizon!" (again, paraphrasing). Yep. The devil. I guess the devil has the power to HIDE God's real sun and fake his own one.
As a Christian, these people irritate me. The Bible does not say the Earth is flat. To say that it does is disingenuous, and I dare say a disgrace to the cause of Christ
Question. Why would a LED studio need a green screen ? Because, you don't need a green screen in a LED studio since you can literally project anything into it, right ? And you don't need to be in a LED studio if you're using traditional green screen. So their conspiracy is kinda falling apart right here.
The Snow argument is especially insane, cuz like- have They never experienced a cold winter??? walked on compressed icy snow is basically impossible to dig out with glowed hands??? there is snow in Poland right now And i would need to Hit walked on snow hard enough to hurt my hand to break parts of it off? complete dejection from reality
Will Duffy has published continuous footage he recorded from a drone flight he did, in which the drone climbed to almost 5000 feet and did a slow 360 degree pan. There clearly was no ceiling with lights up there, and if everything was on an LED screen it would be absolutely colossal!
And as far as you could see, no evidence of any 360-studio. Nor tracks in the snow where one might have been quickly torn down. Or did those nasa shills think to 'rake' all the snow to get rid of the evidence? lol Wouldn't put it past a flerf to think that.
Absolutely not 5000 ft. Looks to be a DJI Mini 3 or 4. Max height on the mini 4 is around 500m or 1600 ft approximately. Default height limit is 120m (400 ft)
@@RickDangerousNL The video is on WheresWally's channel. It includes telemetry from the drone showing a height of 4921 feet. The drone is well above the summit of Mt Rossman, which rises about 700 m (2300 feet) above the glacier, so it looks as if the stated height of 1500 m is plausible. It's certainly more than 500 m.
@@RickDangerousNL And Will had the default limit lifted by the manufactuerer. They were willing to do this when he explained it was for flight in Antarctica. Try again.
Green screen, right boot, vapegate, dome studio, Hanvey's "model" - I always ask myself if there is a point where Flerfs say: stop, this is all much too stupid, I'm out! It looks like that point is far from being reached and we will be seeing FE comedy for a long time to come.
2:15 bizarrely, one of the first to jump to debunk the chroma-key issue was none other than @flatearthdave, explaining in no uncertain terms what was going on and why, and that it wasn't proof of anything.
I noticed that. Whatever whomever thinks, If you TH-cam or teams or zoom (work) you know and can recognise green screen or chroma keying (don't have to be green). At least the fella said it don't matter. But they are still so wrong and diluded. Talk about grasping at straws for your grift!
Your patience dealing with these people is phenomenal. You are being as clear and transparent as possible, and nothing will appease them, but you keep addressing each more and more ridiculous problem with your work, and I haven't heard you cuss or shout or insult anyone even once. Personally, I'd be pulling my hair out. You're putting in far more work than should be required, and being 100% professional about it. I'm truly impressed. Keep up the good work!
No, that's not true at all! They didn't go to Antarctica, and also they did go but they went to a studio there, and also they were outside in Antarctica but faked the sunlight somehow, and also it was real video of the Antarctic sky but the "sunlight" was caused by Satan, and also Antarctica doesn't even exist, and also the flat earth predicts a 24 hour sun in Antarctica anyway. As well, they were simultaneously freemasons, Satanists, special effects wizards, and maybe also smoking a bit, and while none of those have any actual impact on the observation, it makes the whole thing somehow immoral. It's basic logic.
You are my favorite flat earth debunker. How do you keep such a cool head engaging these people? I find myself getting so frustrated and kinda mad that these people just won't admit the truth
The accusation "GREEN SCREEN!!!!!" is patently false and can be EASILY shown so. The area "green screen'd" to show TFE doesn't move, but when the patch isn't there, because the wearer of that coat isn't on screen, there is no black "TFE" shown, and if the background had been greenscreen replacement, not only would it have to have been showing black with white TFE written on it in that background (proof 1 that it wasn't a fake background) but also the patch would have shown the snow and mountains (proof 2 that it wasn't faked).
My main issue with these flat Earthers is; the ones that were offered a trip down but denied it, have ZERO right to say anything about TFE. They forfeited that right when they chickened out on going to see it for themselves.
Ah but they weren't given a formal invite, don't you know!!!!
They probably knew the Earth was round but they're making money out of that Flat scam.
@@paulsphotos😂
Brave Sir Robin
They would definitely rather live in their delusions. Rather evident. But no suprise. I know a few in real life and they prefer to live in a fantasy and they can be rather arrogant about it too 😂
Flat Eathers: YoU cAnT gO tO aNtArCtIcA bEcAuSe ThE mIlItArY wOnT lEt YoU!
Everyone else: Hey let’s have a marathon run in Antarctica, any and everyone is welcome to come. Itll be fun.
Also: some tech bro just attempted a solo Antarctic crossing before getting medically evacuated a few days ago, and a race car driver is currently doing a cross-Antarctic drive with a crew and a couple of modified trucks. He's documenting all of this on his Instagram page.
@@Green_Tea_Coffeeright! Tons of people have done similar things in the past as well. Hell even the Top Gear crew drove to south pole lol from the airport obviously.
"C'mon, bro! They were all military people performing under orders!"
Some flerfer somewhere.
Marathons are a Freemason ritual
@@joelellis7035no thanks too cold.
I love the idea that a few youtubers have access to visual effects 100 times as advanced as Hollywood.
I just want to know where they're hiring this army of Hollywood-level CG artists from? Where are the job postings?
Well. There's Captain Disillusion... But other than him? Yeah, few and far between.
You misspelled youtubers, it’s should be Masonic NASA propagandist. I’d appreciate if you could correct your mistake.
@ @Dave Mckeegan should do a livestream with Captain Disillusion where they discuss the difference between real-world CGI and what flerfers think CGI is capable of.
I take it the next Avatar movie will be delayed because all those CG artists quit to work for no money on a super secret project to convince a couple of flerfs that the globe is ... well, a globe. Cameron must be fuming at this! 🥶
You put a boot under the table? Well damn, earth must be flat then
The LEFT boot. If it was a right boot, that would be fine, but everybody knows a left boot is a mark of devil or something like that. A true free-thinking flat earther wears right boots on both legs, no matter how uncomfortable this is.
@@dityacivilizaciiexactly if it was the right boot all the flat earthers would had converted but he just had to use the left boot didn’t he
@@dityacivilizaciinot only that, but he performed the well known Masonic “Boot under the table” ritual which clearly summons Apollo, a demon who controls the sun.
𝖲𝗁𝗈𝗐 𝗆𝖾 𝗆𝖾𝖺𝗌𝗎𝗋𝖾𝖽 𝖾𝖺𝗋𝗍𝗁 𝖼𝗎𝗋𝗏𝖺𝗍𝗎𝗋𝖾 𝗈𝗋 𝗒𝗈𝗎𝗋 𝗌𝗉𝗂𝗇𝗇𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗐𝖺𝗍𝖾𝗋 𝗀𝗅𝗈𝖻𝖾 𝗂𝗌 𝖺 𝗅𝗂𝖾.
Tables are flat proof of flat earth if not they would be rounded to maintain objects balanced on it
According to Wikipedia the Las Vegas Sphere took four years to build and cost USD 2.3 billion. I mean, Will is rich but…
NASA built it and Will works for NASA. It's always NASA.
@@tubrutonlike on House it was NEVER lupus. 😂
nah will is just secretly part of the world order
Here's a little experiment in logistics (will flerfs let me call it that?) I just checked the stats on the Sphere - it seats 18,600 people, and has 54,000 square metres of screen. My calculations show that at 15cm (6 inches) thick, just the screens would take up 81 semi trailers, or 9-10 747 cargo planes of space to transport. The hire costs of a 747 are $25 - 35,000 per hour, so it's about $350,00 for a single return trip from Punta Arenas to Union Glacier, just to transport the screens, assuming the screens don't need to come from anywhere else. And remember, it's TEN trips!
The numbers just get ridiculous, but ok flerfs,you believe what you want to.😂
@tubruton
Building it in Antarctica would cost at least 7 billion. All spent fot one trip of two flat earthers...makes sense!
"The drone is beeping, therefore the world is flat" That one's my favorite of all the flerf derpitude
In all fairness, they also have a second proof of the world being flat: Witsit vaped.
And don’t forget the 3rd, and most conclusive proof… left boots!
@ Geez, what if he'd vaped wearing only a left boot? Mind boggling eh?
@ then the earth would have been confirmed to be a dodecahedron or something
Those same people will also maintain that TFE does not prove globe earth because we only see the sun.
The idea that millions of dollars and what would have to be years of planning were spent just to fool a handful of small to medium-sized youtubers is hilarious. They really think they're that special
Narcissism is a huge component of Flat Earthery. It makes them feel special.
Uh no. All of that time and money were spent so us globetards will keep believing in the fake globe.
These are all people that didn't make it through traditional institutions and disguise their failure by blaming the "system". They make outrageous claims because they have next to no critical thinking skills, and hope to be vindicated by these theories.
@@ey3z4ya I made this same point. We can’t actually imagine how it feels to be that self absorbed. To a person, every Flerf thinks the only reason they aren’t living the life they fantasize about is the Freemasons or Illuminati are sabotaging them.
ERM 🤓it's because the GOVNERMENT i spayign to kekep the CONSPIRACYT and to hide the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
(this is a joke and satire)
That's the reason why I stopped debating those people. It's complete waste of time.
Indeed. They are completely disconnected from anything resembling reality.
That's not entirely true. People who might just be introduced to the Flat Earth can be persuaded not to go over the Cliffs of Insanity. It's much harder to explain the truth when they have a lot of time and ego invested in Flat Earth.
@@snarkdragon That & you can't fix stupid.
The reason they don't understand elementary physics is because anytime they ask a question and you try to answer they talk over you. Lack of interest, lack of decency or short attention span, call it what you will.
You need to take that energy and debate against islam. Bet you won't though 😂.
Raise your hand if you expected all this and more coming from the delusional side of an argument that doesn't even need to exist. Nothing will ever be a proof for flerfs.
To be honest I expected the usual denial stuff, but the masonic ritual was above the craziness of the FE community
@gafrers Seems he's on his own. I can picture the other flerfs pushing him through the door while he shouts "No! Please no!"
@@MartinSmith-u8p different "arguments" but all refused the final experiment. Like they refused any other proof and will forever keep doing so with that doesn't fit their delusion or bring water to their waterwheel in the form of attention and money
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Yeah I'm not surprised. These are the guys that came up with "The Black Swan" as definitive proof of no curvature.
I have on question for Flat Earthers: Why didn't you want to go?
Everything for a bock bock bock
don't want to get shot by penguins
Because they want to keep making money
It’s cold and doesn’t prove anything.
The Grift
I've said it several times that the Green Screen debaucle was the best mistake he could have done because it PROVED (to people who understand greenscreen) that you weren't using a GS to project the background.
Well there's the problem...what you said makes complete sense. 😂
If you have any video editing experience you'd know getting a crisp chroma key real time is basically impossible. There's a halo effect you need to remove and the constant changing lighting means you need to constantly fine tune the settings to remove that.
You know it should be a nothing burger when DITRH does a clip to demonstrate what is happening..
@@GrumpyIan Precicely. Green screen is tricky enough in post production (where it us done 99% of the time) to get perfect. It's even trickier to do in real time. I hadn't considered that nuance, but yes... you're right!
@crooker2: unfortunately flerfers don’t understand greenscreen
As a Catholic Christian, at around 13:00 when he utters "God says" I cringed. Just a reminder that it's usually evangical protestants that spout the young earth nonsense. I refuse to check my intellect at the door. Faith and science can work together in harmony.
My church raised me to see the Bible as more of a book of lessons than an accurate recount of history. A healthier mindset.
Sorry, hun... but FLers have something in common with God believers. They are both in cults and deny facts.
@@psyc840 some parts are historic points of view others are lessons from a setting 2200years ago… learn some Koine Greek to read it for yourself in the oldest text we have. Cursive Koine Greek can be very difficult… talking from experience…
that would be an ecumenical matter
What’s funnier (and sadder) is that many of our foundational scientific principles were all discovered by theists since for them, knowing more about the world was their way of appreciating their god’s creation. What’s sad about this is that many power-hungry clergyman refused these findings not out of dogma, but out of greed.
Paid for an entire studio, paid for shadows to be inserted - but didn't pay for footprints?
Typical FLERF logic
It's standard for them. Like how they think NASA were cunning enough to somehow fake weather patterns on the earth from space before it happened, but too stupid to remember to put stars in the sky. 😂
@@SubRosaUSA footprints are expensive to add. Do you know how hard it is to track every step 8 people make with how much walking around they all did. Well 7 people, Witsit just slept off his hangover.
They believe the government is like the Riddler. Able to commit very very intelligent things yet leaves simple and stupid clues because reasons.
@@phillipbireta9308so whatever conspiracy is "hiding the truth" can afford to fool billions of people every day but can't afford to fix some footsteps?
when you have a fake studio - you can always get fake snow
Refuse to go themselves, then claim the whole thing was a hoax. Color me shocked.
And you can be sure they had started making their debunking videos long before anybody even arrived in Antarctica.
Yep. Trump will be kicked out.
Kamala will be President
China invades Taiwan
all hoax ..
So NASA has a secret Truman Show sized LED dome, since its big enough to have planes take off and land from, that is impossible to see at all. But they can't make a circle on the screen keep the same shape? That makes sense.
Obviously 😅
Seems like a lot of effort for not alot of gain? What does nasa get by hiding the earth being flat again?
Yep, nasa logic.... dont forget the shadows switching sides while the sun was in the same location😂
Damn, and I thought NASA's budget was mediocre...
That's the only logical explanation...
As for the footprints thing, that’s something only someone not used to snow and cold would talk about. Snow that has been compacted under serious cold will get hard as concrete even outside of arctic or antarctic conditions. The area around the camp would only be soft just after new snow falling. Where I am there’s a rock hard layer of compacted snow all around our facilities, and it will be like that until it melts in a few months. An important part of managing the grounds in winter is to make sure to get a smooth ground cover of compacted snow, not trying to remove the snow entirely.
It's Antarctica, that's as hot as it's getting so no snow melt until next year (also june is winter)
@@vaiyt ?
Any flat Earther that declined going, has nothing to say.
@sleepyjoe8958 Grow up kid.
@sleepyjoe8958womp womp
@sleepyjoe8958 Eratosthenes measured the earth circumference in around 240 BC and people kept measuring the Earth.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy
In 1791, we even use the polar circumference to define the length of 1 meter.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre
Just because you don't believe it or you don't measure it on your own doesn't mean it is not true.
On the other hand, what is the size of the flat pizza earth according to your flerfs' "scientific proof"? did you measure it to check the number? If you haven't measure the flat pizza earth then why you believe it?
@@leftpastsaturn67 Why, because I'm asking you to prove your spinning water ball?
@ It's amusing that you've asked me why I told you to grow up in the same sentence that you typed the words 'prove your spinning water ball'.
Self-owning comedy gold.
can we all agree Eric Dubay is desperate for attention and to stay relevant?
And to sell his books
He don’t want to lost money.
all of them are.. weiss, oafley, sargent, failzoid, banjo. everyone.
Not being funny but that absolute bellend has never been relevant.
Agreed, and all I know is each one of them is just becoming sad at this point, and giving them ANY attention even if negative boosts them.
This is why I just ignore their stuff, never bother with it and just let Dave Mckeegan here and his Brothers-in-arms against these loons do their continued work!
Flat earth isn't a belief in flat earth. It's a belief in the belief in flat earth. They're afraid of losing their identities as flat earthers because it is the whole notion of that worldview they are married to.
Top post. Same with all the rest of the conspiracies, Trumpism, 99% of religious activity. Costly signaling and group adhesion are stronger than just about any rational argument. It takes a motivated person to de-program themselves.
To be fair, that's pretty normal human behaviour. I'm sure there are beliefs that you were married to when you were younger that you now realise were incorrect (the belief, that is). But this is also a clue as to how to respond to the flat Earth. Think about times when you would have died on a hill regarding something, but later came to realise that you were in error. What was it at that previous moment in time that prevented you from accepting contrary evidence. Distill that, and you will be able to understand why flat Earthers think the way they do.
It's a cult
Could you imagine actually wanting to be known as a flat earther 🤦ewww these people need to be studied by psychology. How funny would it be if the whole movement really was some CIA psyop! Haha this whole time the ultimate truthers were actually participating in a government study! 😂
I would guess around 99% (actually, probably 100%) of flerfs are also hyper-religious (mostly christian from what I've seen), and part of their belief is anchored in their interpretation of their old books. So asking them to forego their belief in flat earth is inextricably connected to the belief in their religion. That is why they hold on to it for dear life, because they cannot give up on the promise of whatever they think their religion has offered them.
Even if you took all flerfers on a rocket up in space, showing the globe, they still say: "Nuh uh, fake, we must have been drugged or something!", and maybe they are 24/7.
I'll never happen. They will all get lost on the way to the launch pad using the Gleason for driving directions...
Nah.. it’s fake… cause green screen…. I’m surprised they haven’t tried to say, nah it’s fake… cause matrix.
𝖲𝗁𝗈𝗐 𝗆𝖾 𝗆𝖾𝖺𝗌𝗎𝗋𝖾𝖽 𝖾𝖺𝗋𝗍𝗁 𝖼𝗎𝗋𝗏𝖺𝗍𝗎𝗋𝖾 𝗈𝗋 𝗒𝗈𝗎𝗋 𝗌𝗉𝗂𝗇𝗇𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗐𝖺𝗍𝖾𝗋 𝗀𝗅𝗈𝖻𝖾 𝗂𝗌 𝖺 𝗅𝗂𝖾.
@ why is earth the only star or planet in our solar system that is flat disc? Why are the other planets we have found in other systems round as well? How bout you find another planet like earth that is flat and then we can discuss. It’s ok if this is just what you believe, that it’s your own personal religion. Nobody would challenge you. But when you try to buttress up flat earth with science, that’s when people get cranky.
@ do you have measured earth curvature, yes or no?
Live Production TD/LED Technician here: the footage used in LED studio environments is generated and rendered in real time so that the cameras position data (XYZ coordinates) can be used to affect various aspects like depth of field, exposure, parallax shift, etc. The footage displayed only appears to be "correct" from a single perspective, being the single active camera used to capture the footage.
The fact that you filmed with multiple cameras in real time from numerous, widely spaced vantage points means that it is physically impossible for it to have been filmed on an LED set in this manner. These studios simply do not work in the incredibly simplistic way that Dubay and others think they do.
That proves either that it's not real, or that the studio is so comically massive that it would reach those mountains in the background
so basically, it's either not real or not real.
You could use active 3D display tech and have each camera synchronised so that only one camera is being exposed at a time and the wall is showing the background just for that camera. I’m not saying that they did, because they didn’t, just that it’s not impossible to do a multi camera led wall setup.
@@darkmooink69 "You could use active 3D display tech and have each camera synchronised so that only one camera is being exposed at a time and the wall is showing the background just for that camera." In all my years that may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
@@darkmooink69 That was probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard bro
@@darkmooink69 that would be so needlessly complicated, and would fail so easily.
Eric Dubay was invited, but declined. He has NO right to claim anything.....
Dubay doesn't want to go with a bunch of freemasons to a green screen studio, what a surprise. Do you have measured earth curvature?
@sleepyjoe8958 Dubay thanks you for being his subservient drone.
Didn't want to do his own research.
@@Windle_Poons do you? Have you found your own measured earth curvature, for example?
@@leftpastsaturn67 Let me know when you decide to have an adult conversation and can show me measured earth curvature, thanks.
I love the idea of it being a greenscreen, completely missing that fact that it would be replacing the green screen with a black background with TFE on it and not an antarctic landscape.
If his top had a patch showing an icy landscape which matched the background they'd have a point.
The mistake is actually just a nice clear demonstration that it can't have been a green screen background.
but that'd prove the video is legit, can't have that
Like, the closest argument they could manage is it being a double bluff. Use a blue (or other apt color) screen for the background and then use a separate green-hued chroma key to cause a hole in the jacket with the intent that making it seem like there was a green screen mistake, which would be easily explainable, and therefore would add veracity to the footage. This of course would be a ridiculously stupid gambit that would be far too likely to backfire and makes far more sense to be the given answer of a genuinely errant chroma key.
Also: Everyone (especially flerfs) seems to be ignoring the big GREEN crate in front of everyone speaking at the makeshift podium.
Witsit essentially knows all of information. Witsit schooled the professor
@@BarioIDL Devil's advocate here, but no, it wouldn't prove that at all. Just because you ruled out one possible way in which the video could've been faked doesn't mean it's legit. For that you'd have to rule out _all_ ways in which it might've been faked.
On the other hand, we're civilised folk, we normally start from the assumption of innocence until proven guilty. By all means, the flat earthers are welcome to try and poke holes in the logic or discredit the video. But if those attempts yield no results, they should just accept the possibility that their beliefs might be wrong.
It's funny how this experiment has turned into the olympia of flerfers mental gymnastics :D
… and how unable they are to perform said mental gymnastics with sound logical arguments 😅
@@kathrynsmart1639 when were their arguments ever logical?
@@CatNolara all they have is "oh its cgi" and after proving their denial wrong they go to insults cause they lost
@@CatNolara Not to mention logical, they're not even reasonable.
Wait a minute. Weren't all these FE guys offered the chance to go and refused? Therefore they have no right to question the validity of the footage. They had their chance and threw it away. Now they have no standing to challenge the results.
Exactly! 🎯💯
Scared of the answer it will show them as fools. They repeatedly tell every one how much more intelligent they are than normal people.
Exactly. Like why even bother talking 30 mins in this video. It could have been a short saying - you refused to come, therefore your argument is invalid.
When you make a grift your identity, you'll do whatever it to keep that image. Even if it's blatantly denying cold hard facts
Have noticed a bit of an attitude change from Dave Mc, Critical Think and MCToon since they came back.
Still relatively cordial (maybe not Toon) but there’s an irritated, take no prisoners, we were there, surgical unravelling of all the latest flerf talking points.
It’s glorious.
I love how they think you all could just setup multimillion dollar top of the line movie/tv studios, and also somehow do real-time rendering and editing of all of this.
They really just don't understand anything. It takes movies and TV months or over a year to finalize post production depending on the quality and amount of shots they have. And this is with 1000s of people working on everything.
It is so ridiculous.
They don't understand reality. Have they never been to a ski hill? Have they never been outside, how do they not understand how light and shadow work. So. Any times they are like that us not how it should look but I can literally go outside and see that is exactly how it looks in reality.
I really think a lot of flerfs have some sort of visual processing disorder.
Millions? The Las Vegas Sphere cost $2.3 BILLION to build, and they are claiming that they did this all in Antarctica and on a scale never before seen. The cost would be unimaginable. Obvious Dave has some serious financial backing if he is doing that.
In a sane world, you're right, but given government psy ops and technology, a world so distorted, even governments deny the two sexes, it makes for an environment to engender doubt and a delusion for a flat earth.
A mental processing disorder!
@@cotboy Yes, it cost that much to build. But it doesn't cost that much to use. The rest of the money comes from people's pay for acting and doing the productions. That comes to the millions for each use of it. Even so, Will financed the trip, not the "studio". Many of the others that went financed themselves, or crowd funded to go on the trip. Way too many of the flerfs have near zero understanding of the simplest things and are so easily fooled by the grifters.
And the fact we can’t see any sort of dome on stilite or anything
The one thing flerfs are better at than globers is in finding the smallest hills they can die on.
Of course they find small hills; the flatness is comforting to them.
*they're
@@DrumRoody maybe bait.. but... nobody said "their"...?
I used to wonder how can they all come to consensus when none of them know what they're talking about and it's being made up as they go along - then I realised it's exactly like how a ouija board works. They each push in a vague direction and gradually converge as it approaches something coherent. Then they all nod as if that's what they were all thinking all along
There can be no hills on a flat earth, the die on flat ground.
It's impossible to win an argument against a stupid person who thinks they are right.
They are a perfect illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect: Literally too stupid to know how stupid they are, literally utterly incompetent, yet supremely confident. As Mark Twain once said: "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
I disagree! 🤣
@ Explain please!
These flat earth weirdos will NEVER concede that the earth is a sphere simply because it would destroy their grift. If their grift is over, the money dries up instantly. They KNOW the earth is spherical in their own minds, they just will not admit it. It would be game over for them.
I hate to say it, but just as many non-flat Earthers are making a lot of money from this and they don't want it to end either.
@@propfellaare you on drugs? What about the millions of people who KNOW the Earth isn't flat? Are we also making money out of it. That's the most Strawman deluded bollocks I've ever heard. You people should just give up thinking, it obviously is too big a strain on your pitiful perceptual capacity!
@@propfella The distinction there is that the flat earthers are always the ones clutching at straws to ignore points/arguments/observations/models or unsubstantively shift the goalposts.
@@propfella how many debunkers sell mlm schemes?
@@3dtrekker182 are you guys aware that the million-dollar Pastor who funded this observation literally teaches a sermon about how lying and deceiving is not actually wrong?
wow... I was NOT ready for that boot claim... had my laughing, and shaking my head, in that entire segment
Funny how they also ignore the fact that it's the Freemason who is supposed to be wearing only one or no shoes, not that they wear two shoes and just have a spare shoe around. Oops.
They shouldve just stuck to tradition and said dave had a rather big nose
Screams of desperation, doesn't it ?
I love the fact that Dave has footage of the battery within the boot. That just destroyed the claim which was nonsensical to begin with. Like, that's not healthy, clearly. That's not a healthy way of thinking, that's borderline deranged and he needs to get help.
The "scary music" that the Flerfer added when they brought up the Masonic ritual was so fucking funny
Amazing how those guys think, that a few youtubers can create visual effects in realtime that even Hollywood can't master in postproduction.
Those guys don’t really “think”. They deny.
The average flerfer can't even spell "postproduction" let alone explain what it is. To them, CGI is just a magic wand you wave and it instantly creates whatever visuals you want.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee Yeah, its a lot easier to claim "cgi" when you don't know how CGI works to begin with.
But it's the Freemasons! They must have the funds to do this. Must have been giving quite a reward as well to not have the flat earthers there say anything about the thing. We all knew this wouldn't convince them (those who wouldn't take the offer to go there).
Something as basic as the reality of special effects or how difficult they are is not going stop them from making idiotic claims. It never stopped the moon landing conspiracy theorists why should the flat earthers be any more reasonable.
Kinda interesting how little we understand intuitively about temperature. It can be 20°F with no wind and bright sun, and it feels relatively warm, but it can also be 60°F with a breeze and no sun and feel freezing.
Noticed this a bunch on my motorcycle.
Yeah people who don't work outside don't understand this.
I'm always in 20 to 0 degree weather and sometimes 32 with a windchill of 10 is worse then 20 degree zero wind.
Wind is what makes it really really cold.
That's why carharts are made with material that blocks wind, wind is the real threat.
@@tehhazard9029I work in an industry where we often work in freezing conditions with little to next to no humidity. Unless people know what it’s like to be in these environments they think it’s like a winters day.
@betaradish9968 Yeah, I have worked many years at a Cargill meet plant, I'm an electrician. Always 31 degrees, and I can work in a hoodie for 12 hrs, no problem.
I honestly feel bad for some flerfs, I mean I think at some point 90 percent of people entertain the idea of flat earth but at the end of the day it's simply not true for 1000s of reasons you could find in TFE alone.
It is Truely astounding the lengths educators will go to, to help people understand a topic. Not many of the Flerfs will ever appreciate the effort put forth for their benefit.
Lol says the keyboard warrior who has never personally seen the curve hilarious its literally like Santa for wannabe adults loooooooool 🤣🤣🤣
@DinoT-r2q Actually, anyone can demonstrate the curvature of the Earth from a mountain overlooking the ocean using a digital camera.
Truly.
@@antondovydaitis2261 Complete and utter lie. Long distance landscape infrared photogrpahy has completely crushed the ball earth theory narrative.
@DinoT-r2q Flat earther try not to use a logical fallacy challenge (impossible)
OMG. I have to admire you, Dave. Fighting the morons of the flat earth, is like fighting The Black Knight. He never surrenders.
"I'll bite your legs off!" :D
Alright, we’ll call it a draw
Flat Earth has suffered a lot more than a flesh wound by now!
@ceejay0137 🤣 Like him ... They will deny it.
It's just a flesh wound!
Excellent. Just a wee note about _The Mandalorian._ The LED backdrops were rendered from a computer knowing the exact position and angle of the ONE main camera on set. When you see "behind the scenes" footage you can clearly see the distortion of the "forced perspective" they used to make things look far away, from the main camera's perspective. Things just look wonky from other perspectives. Not exactly possible with the multiple cameras all filming each other on Union Glacier. 🙂
THIS. Exactly.
This is a notable issue in CAVEs (cave automatic virtual environments) as well, even though they render larger fields of view.
If Chromakey was used then Wills jacket would have been affected also, BLUE screens are as widely used as GREEN screens. And the drone also proves it isn't a studio when Will sent it up to 5000 feet, why couldn't we see the studio below? TRY HARDER FLAT EARTHERS 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
And Jeran burned holes in paper using a magnifying glass while in Antarctica.
Imagine how much good flerfers could do in the world if they devoted as much effort to beneficial causes rather than denying reality?
Not much, since they'd spend all the time arguing and denying reality.
How exactly do you define what "good" is, in a meaningless, evolving Big Bang universe...?
eeh, it's not that much effort from them. the sad part is that debunking them probably takes exponentially more effort than it takes for them to make up excuses.
@@mihorrocks imagine how much all of you could do if you stop bothering us
@@dco8562 what makes a Big Bang universe meaningless?
The studio excuse is hilarious because it took so long getting money to go to on the trip, so where the hell did we get all these extra millions to make a whole studio?
Not just the millions to build the studio. You'd need money to transport it to Antarctica. Along with a full-blown power plant to run the thing. And also the construction guys to build it. And the IT staff to make sure the technology works. And the CG artists to make the background models/environment. And, of course, the hundreds of CG artists would need a place to work, so they would have needed to build an office building and fill it with servers and high-end workstations.
This took so much money out of NASA that soon they will have to announce another delay in SLS/Artemis.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee and they would all have to be super secret about it and not tell anyone , lmfao
@@Rev03FFL Things get dicey when you start telling aerospace engineers, welders, rocket scientists, and project managers that they have to drop what they're doing and learn how to make better-than-Hollywood levels of CGI.
@ "Wait, so I have to spend all this time doing all this CG work, but I'm not allowed to put it on my demo reel or portfolio? Yeah, no thanks."
- Every CG artist ever.
"you really think Satan can't pull this off?" is by far the best and funniest quote i have heard about this so called fake event. It always comes down to the same conclusion: "You can't discuss facts with a religious cult"
Again, you can’t expect clear thinking from a mind clouded by religion.
Then you got to wonder how mighty the all powerfull god is, if he even can't get satan under control.
Maybe. He thinks God couldn't pull off a globe.
@Yehan-xt7cw the whole idea of god is funamentally flawed, since it relies on the idea, that a being who can forsee the past and future, and is perfect and loving, can somehow fuck up this bad.
Jerand bailed on FE. He has +160K subscribers, so hundreds of thousands of followers. Undoubtedly, some of them are going to follow him out.
The whole thing is hilarious, Jeran has been ostracised for telling the truth and Witsit has found that you can't have a foot in both counts and his lying instinct has left him reviled by people on both sides. I think Word-salad Witsit needs to find a new grift, he is done in this one.
You were our globe team choice, and did not let us down. You have earned that trip whit all your hard work and made us proud.
Totally agree! I am so happy that it was Dave that got to go. He is by far the best flat earth debunker, in my opinion. 🙂
I asked the director how to shoot it in the studio and he replied that it would be easier to shoot it on location. XD
Kubrick said the same thing about the moon landings.
we'll just build the studio on location, to have the best of both worlds, that way we pay to build the studio and pay to fly out to location....wait hold on...
@@jeffcapes The secret studio dome will soon make its money back with the millions of visitors, just like the Las Vegas one 😅
The virtual production argument only works if you had only filmed with one camera. The volume requires special software to fix the parallax of the background from the camera, as soon as you introduce more than one camera you start seeing all sorts of distortions and movement in the background.
Exactly. Funny how flerfs immediately drop their favourite argument of perspective as soon as it becomes detrimental to their position. The background objects would not change no matter which camera was filming them if all they were all on a big screen. They do, so it's not.
@@andysmith1996 well, it's because it's Flerspective they like, which behaves however they dictate rather than, you know.
The predictable way actual perspective does.
Not to mention that several people are wearing sunglasses, which have independently moving curved reflections...
Careful! You're being far too logical 😂
Not true actually, I work on a volume set and there is an experimental option where you run the volume at double framerate, and show different frames every other frame synced to 2 cameras.
Every single copium factory on the (flat) planet is working three shifts, but they STILL can't keep up with the demand from flerfs. The supply is so scarce that a single ounce of copium is selling for just over three Bitcoins.
Let's be real here, we ALL knew this would happen. It's just hilarious to watch the moving of the goalposts in real time basically.
Trying to make this "experiment" the "final experiment" was the ultimate goal post shifting. When has any true globe skeptic said that the behavior of the sky shows you the surface is curved and retains water? Why is it so hard to measure the curvature of the earth and show us it's indeed curved?
@sleepyjoe8958 the point of the experiment is to prove that flat earthers are full of sheet when they say that there is no 24 hour sun.
it's not hard to measure the curvature of the earth. you just have to measure the movement of the stars in the sky on different latitudes in both hemispheres. you would quickly notice that the movement of the stars is consistent with the globe model.
or just look at a ship at a distance and see that it disappears from the bottor up. that works too.
@@mrhuman4049 The point of the "experiment" was to present evidence (with the help of a green screen) for a strawman argument. We do not observe our ceiling to measure our floor. If you are claiming that the earth is a spinning water globe, you should be able to show me measured surface curvature to back that up. The question you should be asking yourself is why it's so hard for you to do so?
@sleepyjoe8958 0.0145 degrees of curvature per mile. is that what you want?
No, we can use the movement of the ceiling changing in relation to our position on the floor to figure out the shape of the floor.
1 more way to know that the earth is round is by measuring the coriolis effect. You can do that in your house my pouring some water in the sink and watching it spin clockwise/counterclockwise depending in which hemisphere ur in.
@sleepyjoe8958 did you even watch the video btw? if you did you wouldn't be saying that it was filmed using a green screen.
I noted the green screen problem in the live-stream, then thought for 10 seconds, connected the points and came to the right conclusion. And then slept well and forgot about that.
Also the Sphere venue in Las Vegas cost over $2 billion.
Truly, anyone with even the slightest familiarity with green screens or video editing software would react exatly like you.
To see flerfs legitemately freak out over this, was baffling.
When they refer to 360 virtual studios... We have 180 studios, and they are small and don't have a lit ceiling.
Agreed, their stupidity knows no boundaries
What made you think this would change a flat earthers mind ? They have no mind 😂
Do the flerfers even realize how stupid this makes them look to normal people who actually go outside?
They seem to either like it, or are just completely oblivious to it. Maybe a bit of both.
If they had the ability to analyse their statements, they wouldn't be flat Earthers
Flat earthers are people that would be regarded as not very smart even if they didn't believe in a flat earth. So, instead of that, they join the FE community where they feel validated and even specially gifted.
Based on that roundtable of flerfs dissecting footage, I think it’s safe to assume they don’t go outside much.
Oh, yeah. Chilean here. I didn't know Flatzoid is South African. I'm certain that guy has never been outside long enough as to realize southern stars circle the other celestial pole. Amazing.
TBF it was always desperate. Ad hoc after ad hoc after ad hoc after ad hoc. I mean, since it's such a stupid belief to have, with 0 predictability or rhyme or reason, realistically all they have are ad hocs. To the point that eventually all their ad hocs start contradicting each other.
"Freemasonic left boot ritual" would be a good name for an alt band or a performance group
More like a good album title, but yeah! 😂
I actually stopped listening to FMLBR after their bassist got outed as a groomer.
Are these people insane lol. A LED studio. What do they think you are Disney or something. It myths me how they must think all people who work in observatories around the world or aerospace companies are all in on it. Insane.
@@Steelninja77 they have no concept of how much anything costs or how far NASA's budget would stretch (after paying off their thousands of shills and faking all the countless, real-time satellite images and videos).
Yes, they do. They think if Disney does anything, Disney capable and willing to do the same thing hundreds of times larger, covertly, just for the flat earther. The concept of scale doesn't exist; they're the main character, so of course everything is about them.
They think NASA/Freemasons control everything and that their budget stretches to paying off thousands of scientists, teachers and shills on TH-cam, faking countless images and videos from space every day and can arrange a pop-up dome studio in one of the most undeveloped regions in the world just to piss off a hand full of TH-camrs that no one seriously cares about.
If I had a nickel for every time a flerf lied, I would have more money than NASA’s yearly budget.
th-cam.com/video/yKsvsOzgH8E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=v4JuxtOcRv0ZzjxH
5 chumps down
@@OrangeStarHighSchool Way to humiliate yourself kid.
@@bingethinker791 Boy you've been getting lied to since 1927 when Universal Studios first Showed you a spinning ball and then Walt Disney continued to lie to you and this was ALL before NASA (started) lying to you about the same subject. And NASA still getting that yearly budget off yo ass.
Are you guys not aware that NASA was literally founded by Nazis? German scientists that came to America after World War II. Keep following the Nazis.
So again in chronological order... Universal Studios, Walt Disney, NASA.
Took me so long, because I had to find out. Asked a family friend, who IS a mason, about the left boot thing. His response "What the hell is a left boot ritual?"
The only "Left boot" I heard about was from my 1st Sgt. It wasn't a ritual. It was more of a threat😂 .
The only demonstrable reality, is that you can't demonstrate reality to idiots.
I can tell almost exactly what the temp is by the sound the snow makes under my boots when I walk. Rest assure that a Floridian will come and tell me that I do not know what I am talking about. I am a Canadian pedestrian who did patrol the Tundra in winter.
As am I. The complainers have never been outside on a cold day.
But their actions were quite predictable as they all work backwards from their conclusion and either fantasize real evidence away or fantasize non-existant evidence into existence in order to save their conclusion.
This is why so few flerfs were willing to go. In their minds they didn't need to.
Colder it is the squeaker it gets. The air also takes on particular crispness and feeling when you breather when it drops below 0F
If you grew up in snowy areas, you can guess the temperature within a degree or two just by the feel of the air and the sound of the snow.
And yeah just watching the TFE videos I can assure anyone that it was definitely cold there 😊
I've never seen snow in my life, living in tropical countries and even I could figure that the snow was just very compact. Who would want to walk around mounts of soft snow when there's a clear path made by big vehicles.😂
I thought that when I hear them walking. Damn that sounds cold
Flat earthers only have two tactics. First is talk about something they are unable to comprehend on their own personal level and the second is lie.
They don't want to have their beliefs changed because it is all it is. A belief. They have no evidence of anything but they feel like they know something secret and it somewhat makes them special 😅
yep, as soon as they find anything that proves them wrong, they immedieatley weasel out of it by making up science gibberish they dont understand, because at the end of they day, they are not "truth seekers" they are belief upholders.
Is either lying, missunderstanding science, or full on "nuh-uh" style denial. We can't win in either way.
@@ulrichenevoldsen8371 also, if flat earthers started to believe in a sphere, what else would they spend their mindless time on?
@@BiblicalTeachings The worst part is that most of the big names in the flerf space (it's actually sad that that's a thing but nvm), make a living off of this bs. So most of them don't actually believe in the FE, they just scam and fool gullible people because they're evil pieces of filth.
The "ice wall" is misdirection. The oceans are held in by a giant encircling LED screen.
Flat earthers don't like being challenged because they can't handle it. So they lash out with insults and ad hom.
If you took a shot every time a flat earther used a logical fallacy to respond to an argument, it would take about three minutes of scrolling through youtube comments before you'd have to get your stomach pumped.
And most debunkers to TBH. That's why I only watch this channel. The rest are nearly as bad and some worse than the flat earthers.
@@wiredforstereonot really
@@wiredforstereothe debunkers have every right to be ruthless against Flerfs,
@@wiredforstereonot a single debunker is as bad or worse than a Flerf, not one, they have every right to be ruthless against Flerfs.
The fact that these people think NASA is in cahoots with these guys, and have some massive studio that can house entire crews of people, planes, gear, etc., all without ever being visible to anyone, but can't manage to not show the green screen or consider shadows is hilarious.
And big enough that planes can fly through it 😂
@@TonySpike And do it without the passengers of the plane noticing it.
The conspiracy can only ever be as smart as the idiots uncovering it
They have always been desperate.. Because their identity, worldview, and self worth depends on flat earth being a thing.. IF they would have to admit to it being nonsense, they would enter into a complete existential crisis. Many of them also hold this belief as a means to cling to their religion. this is what is at stake for them.
Well, that one dude literally said the footage of the 24hr Sun cant be real because God says so. Insane.
I think you actually just described the religion of Scientism/evolution...
@@dco8562 🤦♂
@dco8562 no. Science exists because of proof. No belief is required. Religion exists despite proof, only belief required. Science helps us understand reality. Religion only helps people to deny it. You are a great example of the latter.
@@Scudboy17 Belief in religion can exist regardless of evidence. But blindly following something is just naivety. Same thing applies to science. I don't personally know you, but I'd be willing to guess you haven't done personal observations of Kepler or Neptune, but you believe they're real (as do I) because the evidence shows these are real places, that the scientists researching these places are trustworthy. It's entirely possible to apply that same standard to religious texts and come to the conclusion some are real events from a reliable source and others are not.
And another thing. Are these people employable? I’m on the marketing/creative team for a billion dollar Swiss Chocolate company with US office in New Hampshire. If someone ever spewed this crap in the office they would immediately be the laughing stock of the corporation and more then likely they would very easily find a reason to boot them off the team.
Basically no flat earther ever finished school past age 5. They only get the worst, most low paying jobs if they can get anything at all.
These people aren't fit to serve fries at McDonalds. They probably don't wash their hands.
@ def not coz they don’t believe in viruses or vaccines.
@@winduberry
So, you're responsible for all of those free samples that got me and my wife hooked!
To us natives, it's all too familiar who your employer is.
Like yours, my employer is also in New Hampshire and a billion dollar industry. And, like yours, my employer is also based out of Switzerland.
It's actually quite astounding how flat earthers manage to dismiss such overwhelming evidence, just because they found something in a pixel somewhere that they don't understand 🤣
it really must be some kind of paranoia or delusional psychosis, unless they know its all bogus and are just grifting for the money/fame
@@jeffcapes I think the majority of flat earthers are just extremely gullible, and have an implicit distrust of authority and science, so they latch on to conspiracies like this which seem to fit their world view. Then there are the much smaller group of pure grifters - Dave Weiss, Nathan Oakley, Mark Sargent, Eric Dubay, etc, who are lying and making stuff up, in order to squeeze money out of the gullible group. There's also some crossover, where they actually believe the garbage they spew.
Weird how he has to make a dozen videos trying to explain the myriad of "glitches" that just happened to occur. If it was real then why would he need to do that?
Either they are scared of being wrong, edit: or they know they're in the wrong 💵
@ because the glitches are real, and flat earthers are hammers looking for a nail. if they see something unusual, they wont try to find evidence of what it could be, they just use it as confirmation bias, they dont seek the true explanations because they have a preconception that they are constantly striving to get back to. that they pick up on a million little details they dont understand and leap to a conclusion that its all a conspiracy is the reason each of these details needs careful explanation.
Another point that should be mentioned about the "volume" LED backgrounds is that they are flat projections. They only produce the proper 3D perspective for a single viewing position, the position of the single camera for that shot. You can't shoot multiple cameras unless all the background objects are far away. This is possible as the backgrounds are all 3D models and can be produced and modeled to provide the correct perspective for one and only one camera position.
I must have missed the passage in the bible where God says there is no 24-hour sun in Antarctica.
I think he said that God _told_ him. So he must have heard a voice speaking to him... no?
It's really funny that all footage of the Earth's curve from space cannot be trusted because of the existence of fisheye lens distortion, but when they think the distortion proves their point the camera can be trusted completely.
Or they claim they see flat out of their spherical eyes.
Anything Eric Dubay or David Weiss says about TFe is null and void! They had their chance to go and said NO! they knew it would end their lying grift. Great video again Dave! Love your work and videos. You always hit the nail on the head!
BINGO!
How sad and bizar it is, that all this has to be explained. How delusional have people become.
Exactly, it makes me sad.
My favourite thing about "king nico" and his claim that you were in antarctica but went to a film studio in antarctica to fake the 24 hour sun, is just how logistically absurd the notion of a huge, hi-tech LED studio in antarctica is. How does he think they power all that equipment? Obviously he doesn't think they would use solar power.
he doesnt think at all. he even clearly says that. He started with "Holy Book says there is no 24h sun, so the video is fake." and then just randomly cast around for stuff to explain the fakeness. He doesn't actually really believe the stuff with the studio, it's just the best he could come up with on the spot.
You see though, that's the brilliance of it! The sun stays up for 24 hours in the summer in Antarctica, so solar panels are perfect for powering a studio to show a fake 24 hour sun!
(This is a joke)
I know this whole thing was for the flerf BS but I cannot get over how gorgeous the images you guys all got on this trip are.
i have no goddamn idea how i fell down the flat earth v globe earth(normal people) rabbit hole, but my god is it gloriously ridiculous
To be honest it was ridiculous and hilarious for me at first, but I'm getting concerned now. The year is 2025, and millions upon millions of people are THIS ignorant and stupid. I don't know what the future holds, but if we continue like this it's not very bright.
@huzzzer6083
A short little side-track: just look who’s going to be in charge of the USA in a few days: DJT of all people … 🤦♀️
That tells you a lot.
Most of these people voting for him have absolutely no problems with irrational “thinking”. Hence, a flat earth seems perfectly fine to them. After all, it LOOKS flat all the time, doesn’t it …or so they say …
Except when it doesn’t of course, but that makes their brain hurt, so they just pretend anything to not have to cope with that.
And the solution is so simple, their “problems” could be solved with just a simple model. It’s inexplicable really, why they just don’t accept reality for what it is.
The “funniest” part is, all these people have no problem whatsoever to use technology in its finest form day in, day out. If they had a clue about how this technology actually works, it would just blow their mind. You would have been burned at the stake for it 500 years ago, for performing magic and wizardry that apparently should be the exclusive domain of some “higher power”. Yet, here they are, thinking not 1 yocto-second about it.
Normal people.... are you insane or dumb?
As a Albertan, a retired carpenter/scaffolder, who worked a lot of hours over 30+ years before my retirement 2.5 yrs ago, i can verify that a very bright sunny day at -40C in the sun, with no wind, and you're moving around, yes you shed outer layers to prevent overheating and to slow down sweating. For the flat earthers, if you sweat in sub zero (C) temps, and take a break outside, you run the risk of many things, such as frostbite, and hypothetmia.
Only today a friend and I were talking about the pros and cons of the world staring at screens rather that actually living life, I said a con is misinformation and went on to mention the flat earth movement, my friend did not believe me, did not believe people were stupid enough to believe the earth is flat.
Well I mean if the Flerfs didn't put themselves on TH-cam, I'd also have a hard time believing anybody is that stupid
@@SkylerLinuxI know how averages and normal distributions work, so I absolutely believe people are that stupid. I mean, think about the average person, and how smart they are, and think about the smartest person ever, and how much gap there is.
There's someone as much stupider than average as there is smarter than average.
there are a lot and I mean A LOT of biblical literalists in the Bible Belt who all subscribe to flat earth because God's word is inerrant.
Just watch any of their videos and the comment section is a scream - I have to resist trolling them as its not my style.
@tma2001 thanks, i will have a look
They're more characterized by arrogance than stupidity; trying to educate them is merely seen as going against them. When they go on about the bible, it's not because that's convincing or accurate or even what they believe; it's because other bible thumpers got to exploiting their weaknesses. This is a main strategy of cults, building fervent mobs of the ignorant.
Sun changing shape thing: There were two 360 cameras there. Sync them up, they can't have both been at exactly the same orientation, so you'd see the overlaps on each camera at different times.
The only true thing I have ever heard FE Banjo say is "I may not be a smart man"
And he removed all doubt thereafter 😂
The claims of a multi-million dollar "volume" or 360 movie studio popping up out of nowhere in Antarctica are just hilarious as there is literally ZERO indication anywhere of such a thing.
In addition to all the points you discussed here, during that first 1/3 of the real-time 24 hr footage a snowmobile can be seen driving from the far distance (Union G) all the way to this secondary camp. The guy gets off and goes into the blue shed and then comes back out, gets back on the snowmobile and drives back to Union. How the bloody hell would that have been possible if you guys were in an enclosed 360 movie set? Did the snowmobile magically drive out of the LED screen like that girl from The Ring?
Not to mention the amount of power needed to operate the studio for 3 days... did they bring a small nuclear reactor with them?
you can probably see the dome from space, but flerf would call those footage fake, right?
Everything is created using CGI 🤣 Nothing is real
A bit of a strawman, as their argument wasn't that there was a studio in Antarctica, their argument is that they rented out a studio somewhere in like Hollywood. Still stupid, though.
@@ChillaxeMake Some of them do claim it was a studio in Antarctica.
“They are using a green screen”
But the green screen doesn’t show anything that would hide anything 😂
Also: do they realise how much effort a dome made from screens showing 4k pixels would be let alone the size of buildings it would be in?
No, no they don't. 😂
They think you can just buy the dome from the truman show
Money cost is not a problem for their excuses, they think all billionaries and governments do pay any amount to hide the "true shape of the earth"
Also how impossible it would be to live render reflections from multiple surfaces with different curvature, at different angles, from different positions, moving independently in all degrees of freedom? Multiple people are wearing sunglasses in these videos while walking and turning their heads...
Do they also realize how much electricity such a thing would require? Where is the power plant? Or do we just put solar panels around it, because the sun doesn't set?
I wanted to apologize to you, Mr. Mckeegan. Some years ago when I first came across the wacky world of Flat Earth on TH-cam I convinced myself that the flerfs and the debunkers were just two sides of the same coin. Yet after seeing how committed many of you are to this I've come to believe that you're not just in it for the dollars.
Dave McKeegan, I'm impressed by your patience in debunking all the flat-earth nonsense. It's like you're a teacher trying to teach the alphabet to a class of particularly stubborn kindergartners.
They are getting really rather desperate aren't they. I suppose the grift is their precious and they don't want to leave their flerf caves yet
Reality scares them, they believe in flat earth because it makes them feel smart and in control.
That's exactly what it is.
@@benzene_sandwich I can testify to a mate of mine going all flat earth on me, and always had a tendency belittle me about me getting SSTV images from the ISS and low Earth orbit weather images. He'd claim it was all from ground based transmitters as satellites are also fake, as well as living on a pancake.
It would be incredibly hard, and more effort than it's worth to fake signals coming from satellites from ground based transmitters.
The transmitters would have to mimic Doppler Shift, and also signal strength for passes of different elevation.
And do this for everywhere on earth over VHF (for the satellites I'm talking about here) would be a ludicrous operation to fake just on the offchance that someone wants to have a go at receiving a weather Image from a satellite.
Keep in mind that the Acquisition of Signal is going to be different everywhere, That would also be true for Doppler shift too.
Let's say the satellite is transmitting its signal over VHF FM at 145.8MHZ. When the satellite comes over the horizon (Acquisition of signal) the transmission is received at a higher frequency than the centre frequency of 145.8MHZ in our case. and well assume that it was at around 146.2MHZ when we are first able to pick up the signal.
As the satellite goes through its pass from horizon to horizon, the transmission is received at 145.8 MHZ in the middle of its pass. And as the satellite passes the halfway mark the transmission is received lower than the centre frequency of 145.8 and will continue to fall until Loss of Signal (or as he satellite falls below the horizon for me).
Like actually me in that exact location.
Different pasees from a satellite will be at a different elevation on each of its passes, and somehow the transmitter would need to know about that annoying hill that always blocks my flippin; signal :-)
Again, just for me. As it's going to different for someone else that does not have any hills to contend with, and is likely to receive the signal for longer than me. Maybe my next door neighbour has a 20 foot mast, and has the receiving antenna mounted on top of it, and the hill is not an issue for them. Then it would have to be a different transmission for them as it would be for me. As the the alleged ground based transmitter in my area would have to simultaneously drop in signal strength for me, whilst being strong for my next door neighbour. Which of course would be impossible to do. Yep, that's a good point, The signal strength is (assuming you do not have any obstructions from your location), at its highest in the centre of the pass. And gets stronger and weaker as it passes from horizon to horizon. And my point being not only would the alleged transmission in my exact location have to slowly increase and decrease its signal strength for what you are trying to receive but mimic Doppler too.
When one actual satellite does this nice and easily without having to set up elaborate infrastructure to fake the actual effects that happen as a satellite transmitting a signal passes from horizon to horizon.
I mean for instance, I used to and you are still able receive some nice detailed satellite weather images form the Russian Meteor Satellites.
Of what value would it be to a Russian Group of scientists making sure that there's an antenna at the local transmitting station in my location just in case I might like to have a go at receiving them. It would be of no value to them would it. Again one Satellite does all.
So here's one for ya and flat earthers reading this. prove otherwise that NOAA weather satellites send their signals from low earth orbit. This is something all of you can do for very little money. And then You can prove to yourself that satellites are real, of which some transmit DATA that even You as the public can use for free.
The logistics of faking signals from the ground is mind boggling.
Anyway, this took way longer than I intended it too.
Well besides grift, from what I saw here some of this is driven by a literalists interpretation of the Bible. Facts contrary to what is laid out in the Bible is an attack on their faith
The sphere took 5 years and $2.4 billion to build. But Nico thinks they built another one in Antarctica! The desperation is ludicrous.
Come on, I'm sure they could do the second one for like half the price.
And that'd obviously make it a good deal for them if they were trying to fake a $35,000 trip. After all $1,200,000,000 is cheap by comparison! Just ask Dubay.
Do Flerfers not notice the reflections in sunglasses, showing people and snow behind the camera?
How do flat Earthers know so damn much about Freemasonry?
They are all Freemasons. Only solution. I keep pulling them up on this
They did their own reeeeserch 😅
Apparently they know more than Freemasons 😂
Because flat earthers have been doing research on who is deceiving them. you would also know a lot about Freemasonry once you find out who is deceiving you. have you ever even seen free Masonic cosmology? They teach Flat Earth. Flat Earth is just another secret you learn in the fraternity as you move up in degrees. Every Freemason does not have the same knowledge because just like any other fraternity the knowledge has to be earned. Freemasonry is not a secret organization because no one knows they exist. They are old as hell, it's a secret organization because of the knowledge they keep from the rest of the masses. You have to become a Freemason to learn these things unless you're able to figure it out some other way.
They copy it from other loonies who made it up
1. Invent a ritual out of whole cloth
2. Accuse someone of performing said ritual.
3. ???
4. Profit!
Notice they still haven’t figured out how to get a 24 hour sun in Antarctic in a flat earth so they fall back on trying to discredit anything on TFE. Disproving TFE doesn’t prove the earth is flat, you still have yet to demonstrate that.
but... The special (imaginary) half-dome mirror and 2nd (imaginary) sun outside of the dome makes a 24 hour sun imaginable, I mean, possible.
You couldn't make it up... But of course the Flerfs did.
The level of cope from flat earthers is wild.
This whole thing has been a wild observation of paranoia, so much documentation it can be written about in psychology textbooks
It's very interesting in that regard. A little disappointing that this will make a mark on our time in history, but very interesting in that regard. I think many thesis papers will be written about these people.
"Let us, like Him, hold up one shoe and let the other be upon our foot, for this is His sign, that all who follow Him shall do likewise".
No! Follow the gourd!
Anything that Eric says should be ignored anyway *because he was offered a chance to go there HIMSELF and see with his OWN eyeballs....and declined.* His reason? "They knew I would never agree to go so that they could use this against me over and over" (I'm paraphrasing from an actual comment he left under his video). So, according to Eric, he didn't go...because they knew he wouldn't go. Got it. That makes perfect sense. And you should hear the excuses that Pastor Dean Odle is giving now (he was also asked to go and declined). "The devil is making that sun go around the horizon!" (again, paraphrasing). Yep. The devil. I guess the devil has the power to HIDE God's real sun and fake his own one.
As a Christian, these people irritate me.
The Bible does not say the Earth is flat. To say that it does is disingenuous, and I dare say a disgrace to the cause of Christ
Question. Why would a LED studio need a green screen ? Because, you don't need a green screen in a LED studio since you can literally project anything into it, right ? And you don't need to be in a LED studio if you're using traditional green screen. So their conspiracy is kinda falling apart right here.
That’s how flat earthers work, they never have a consistent model, just a bunch of disconnected and self-defeating claims.
It's anything it needs to be
The Snow argument is especially insane, cuz like- have They never experienced a cold winter??? walked on compressed icy snow is basically impossible to dig out with glowed hands??? there is snow in Poland right now And i would need to Hit walked on snow hard enough to hurt my hand to break parts of it off? complete dejection from reality
"complete dejection from reality" i mean, they ARE Flat Earthers, complete dejection from reality is kind of prerequisite for that
Will Duffy has published continuous footage he recorded from a drone flight he did, in which the drone climbed to almost 5000 feet and did a slow 360 degree pan. There clearly was no ceiling with lights up there, and if everything was on an LED screen it would be absolutely colossal!
And as far as you could see, no evidence of any 360-studio. Nor tracks in the snow where one might have been quickly torn down. Or did those nasa shills think to 'rake' all the snow to get rid of the evidence? lol Wouldn't put it past a flerf to think that.
Absolutely not 5000 ft. Looks to be a DJI Mini 3 or 4. Max height on the mini 4 is around 500m or 1600 ft approximately. Default height limit is 120m (400 ft)
@@RickDangerousNL The video is on WheresWally's channel. It includes telemetry from the drone showing a height of 4921 feet. The drone is well above the summit of Mt Rossman, which rises about 700 m (2300 feet) above the glacier, so it looks as if the stated height of 1500 m is plausible. It's certainly more than 500 m.
@@RickDangerousNL And Will had the default limit lifted by the manufactuerer. They were willing to do this when he explained it was for flight in Antarctica. Try again.
@@mikefochtman7164 Aah, that explains how he was able to go above the max ceiling. Nice.
I remember when I was a flat earther, then I went to pre-k
Dave you are a legend. Please never change. Your respectful approach goes a long way
Green screen, right boot, vapegate, dome studio, Hanvey's "model" - I always ask myself if there is a point where Flerfs say: stop, this is all much too stupid, I'm out! It looks like that point is far from being reached and we will be seeing FE comedy for a long time to come.
The willingness of flerfers to double down over and over on the dumbest things is one of the richest veins of comedy gold I've ever seen.
And don't forget "I wasn't formally invited" gate
Flerfs are apparently not concerned with wearing their desperation on their sleeves for all to see.
2:15 bizarrely, one of the first to jump to debunk the chroma-key issue was none other than @flatearthdave, explaining in no uncertain terms what was going on and why, and that it wasn't proof of anything.
I noticed that. Whatever whomever thinks, If you TH-cam or teams or zoom (work) you know and can recognise green screen or chroma keying (don't have to be green). At least the fella said it don't matter. But they are still so wrong and diluded. Talk about grasping at straws for your grift!
Brilliant. Thank you so much
Your patience dealing with these people is phenomenal. You are being as clear and transparent as possible, and nothing will appease them, but you keep addressing each more and more ridiculous problem with your work, and I haven't heard you cuss or shout or insult anyone even once. Personally, I'd be pulling my hair out. You're putting in far more work than should be required, and being 100% professional about it. I'm truly impressed. Keep up the good work!
The funny thing about each of the flerf ‘fake’ claims, they all contradict each other
No, that's not true at all!
They didn't go to Antarctica, and also they did go but they went to a studio there, and also they were outside in Antarctica but faked the sunlight somehow, and also it was real video of the Antarctic sky but the "sunlight" was caused by Satan, and also Antarctica doesn't even exist, and also the flat earth predicts a 24 hour sun in Antarctica anyway.
As well, they were simultaneously freemasons, Satanists, special effects wizards, and maybe also smoking a bit, and while none of those have any actual impact on the observation, it makes the whole thing somehow immoral.
It's basic logic.
You are my favorite flat earth debunker. How do you keep such a cool head engaging these people? I find myself getting so frustrated and kinda mad that these people just won't admit the truth
His dog keeps him calm, haha
The accusation "GREEN SCREEN!!!!!" is patently false and can be EASILY shown so. The area "green screen'd" to show TFE doesn't move, but when the patch isn't there, because the wearer of that coat isn't on screen, there is no black "TFE" shown, and if the background had been greenscreen replacement, not only would it have to have been showing black with white TFE written on it in that background (proof 1 that it wasn't a fake background) but also the patch would have shown the snow and mountains (proof 2 that it wasn't faked).