Post-War Frigates of the UNSC || Mulsanne/Anlace/Strident - Class || Halo Ship Breakdown(s)
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I definitely went a little overboard with the audio logs... I only used the ones that were relevant to the Mortal Reverie but it makes up like 30% of the video.
I hope you cover more unsc ships.
I certainly will
I think it was worth it, loved the visuals to go along with them to make everything more clear
@@gammacompanymark marathon would be nice
Correction, Spartan Horvath didn't meet up at the Reverie. We was alone on Zeta Halo a majority of the engagement
Fun fact, the US Navy does, in fact, have an Office of Naval Intelligence or ONI for short.
Dose it have a track record of every warcrime know to man
@@rhysbartlett8674yes!
@@timesthree5757 do they also commit every war crime known to man?
@@THEMasterChiefJohn-117 well let’s put it this way. It’s not a war crime the first time.
@@timesthree5757 lol
Spaced armour would entirely nullify plasma fire, at least until the entire plate melted and fell off as its not a projectile so much as it’s a transfer of heat to make things uncomfortable for the target. Impacting any surface would force the weapon to loose cohesion and deliver that energy to the plate, if there is nothing important directly attached to that plate to be heated by convection/conduction the weapon is basically useless. It’s surprising it’s not more common on UNSC.
I look forward to your videos on the upcoming subjects. As i said in the last video its a crime you're not bigger
I feel like Laser weapons replacing MACs make a lot of sense, it might cost more initially to make a laser that can pierce armor, but if the weapon is kept in service long enough, and used enough times, it eventually becomes the cheaper option, because, outside of the fuel for power generation, it costs next to nothing to fire a laser, vs a MAC round, they have to use a huge mass of Tungsten or Uranium, and unless those materials have become cheaper by the 2500's, they're going to cost way more per shot
Man this is fantastic! :D
I really do adore the post war human ships. Like they are just beastly and diverse. More experimental which is neat.
As for the other stuff you mentioned as future topics, I'd love to see those :]
I myself am especially curious about your take that Halo will be fine in the future. I'm a bit more worried myself. It's one of my fav series and it just seems that even when 343 does good, it still isn't enough to counteract all of the weird stuff/rushed nature of it all. I do wish we had a few Spartans alive during Infinite for example. I really like them from their audio logs and would have loved to see them in action. And ofc having most of a Halo games content at launch would have done wonders I think for goodwill creation.
*Whistle* damn, if only the Infinity was even 1% as sexy as these beautiful beasts.
...yeah, that audio log section was waaaaay too long.
Hey, know this might be a lot of work for a video. But what if you made a video about a ship class of your own design?
You seem to know your stuff practically as well as aesthetically!
If I'm gonna put in a lot of work, it might as well be for a video! I've had the idea before, but right now the schedule is a bit full. Also I'm an artist but... characters only. I would want to SHOW the ship as I make it, but im not quite there with inanimate objects.
This is GammaCompanyMark by the way, just on my other account.
@@MarktheCrawler Oh...yeah, don't do that. Or, at the very least...please, very very carefully research what actually would make an effective space combat vessel, by how it would utilize orbital mechanics, what kind of range it would actually need from its weapons, a proper shape of its hull to more efficiently divert and ablate incoming fire as well as to layout its weapons to get both maximum coverage and maximum focused fire.
Sci-fi warships are total trash, as it is.
Or I'll do it because I wanna and I think it'll be fun!
@@MarktheCrawler No yea I get that, but I've seen the fandom come up with some very interesting concepts for designs.
I find the Strident, Autumn, and Anlace class ships to be highly fascinating, I just wish there was more information about the naval side of Halo
about spaced armor in space, it would be effective against plasma as metal is general very thermally conductive, meaning heat spreads through the metal very quickly which a space will stop this effect or minimize it, this is important because as metal heats it reaches a certain point where all of the strength of the material is lost (usually .25 times the temperature that it melts at) meaning that residual heat from a shot on one side of the ship will significantly reduce the structural strength of the metal throughout the ship without space/buffers
i’ve spent 3 years studying this stupid stuff about to be 4 lmk if you guys have any questions
Mostly just curiosity but would the decrease in structural strength in the ship really matter that much for the UNSC. Few of the enemies they face use kinetic weapons so as long as the surrounding metal stays strong enough to hold the ship together and still requires the same melting point to get through for energy weapons wouldn’t the loss of strength effectively be a non issue?
@@sturm9087 theoretically it would be fine, however if the structural integrity of the ship weakens, the vibrations caused from the engines can cause the overall structure to essentially shatter, not only this but if the structure is weakened enough for the inner chambers to be exposed and the airlocks to be sealed, then there is no way to perform maintenance on the engines if they get hit, unless they use robots which is completely feasible for this era. I would assume that if these panels are used to shield the engines from thermal damage, the smaller beam attaching these panels to the ship are likely made of some expensive but thermally absorbent material. these panels in a space battle scenario would work similar to era (although without the E-explosive and R-reactive portions) the panels would break off after being hit hard enough and would stop providing protection after awhile. I’m not sure if I fully answered your question or not but if i missed anything lmk
excelent video, thanks for your dedication to quality, as well as the relevence of your content, I'm glad to say a lot of these info were not present in other channel's videos that I watched.
Thanks, I tried to fit in as much info as I could in there, and even though I think I went a little overboard with the audio log section, it was still relevant to the Mortal Reverie
Spirit of fire video
The wings could be radiators (areas with more of the layered super cundoucters) that transfers heat from hits on critical areas into the unesesary and more surface area wings.
I quite like the Light Frigate, I think it's the best 343 era design tbh 🙂
The MAC cannons are based of kinetic kill rods, which in theory should crack continental plates when launched from orbit.
They're really just giant coil guns. They have kinetic bombardment devices in Halo, but the Macs aren't really that.
@@gammacompanymark when you think about it both are just imparting a lot of energy to a projectile, one using gravity the other magnets.
The advantage for the wing engines is increased rotational ability. Moving thrust away from the center of mass allows more torque for the same energy. However, as you point out, it has its draw backs. Vulnerability being a key one.
Precision and range of a laser has nothing to do with its speed. Your maximum range will be limited by your focusing optics. Lasers DO converge/diverge. Shoot at something too far away and they'll just see a bright star as the light scatters out to be larger than their entire ship.
It has everything to do with its speed - a laser has much, much faster time-on-target, such that a target needs to be at stupid distances to 'dodge'. They're also, generally, less prone to 'error' in that light exits lens at a narrower angle compared to a gun. You may not do much more than give the enemy a tan at a hundred thousand kilometers... but the railgun shell is literally miles behind.
Focusing *then* limits the practical range of the laser, but - basically, it gets harder to hit with a solid projectile with distance, but no matter how far away the target is, a kinetic slug still hits just as hard. A laser is very easy to hit with out to hilarious distances, but becomes weaker quite quickly.
I love how the spartans still look up to chief
Love your content! Some of the best Halo info!
3:58 the Bismarck of halo
something to take into account is heat radiators(i dont remember if halo takes this piece of physics into account) one of the only reasons i can fathom, aside from armoring, that the mulsanne has the plates so close to what i presume would be the reactors is to radiate heat. in space there are very few effective ways to radiate heat and if you dont youll very quickly notice that your space craft is getting hotter over time. one of the easiest ways to radiate heat in space is surface space. in my mind it makes far more sense to have the wings be heat radiators as opposed to armor plates due to the fact that heat build up, especially for a power hungry laser(or god forbid plasma weaponry) would be to dissipate the heat build up from the primary weapon systems
Maybe, but then they should be glowing when the ship is in combat. Also not quite as universal as that theory would suggest.
Given the whole 'Mil-Scifi Violently Collides With Space Opera' concept of Halo, it'd be neat if UNSC ships *started* with big glowing radiators, Covenant ships *don't* have them, and the UNSC versions started to get smaller as we got into the post-war vessels...
impressiv as usally 👍you said the UEG or UNSC is the biggest post war faction could you make an video about how many UEG colonies are left post war ?
Sounds like a fun one, but doing that I'd probably end up splitting the video up and going into every single colony before and after.
I might just do that though.
@@gammacompanymark nice can t wait to see that
anlace class frigates are cute
It really is like a little puppy of a frigate
@@gammacompanymark They're almost corvettes or sloops
@@oco8783 More like the hybrid between an ONI Prowler and UNSC Light Frigate.
I thought the Bright Lance on the Mulsanne was based on Forerunner hardlight projectile weaponry? Isn't it basically just a lighter MAC moving at the speed of light? Because that was a lot of bleedoff, I mean, light disperses, especially in atmosphere, the visual effects would linger for a lot longer than it was actually present for, not only that, but light at a distance is hard for human eyes to track, you very much would only be seeing the after effects of the weapon other than the actualy Bright Lance.
You're right, the brightlance shouldn't be visible, but it is in fact described as a laser. I think it would be called the Brightlance Hardlight Projector otherwise.
Think similar to the Spartan Laser. Light must behave differently in the halo universe.
Lasers can be visible if desired . Lasers work better in a vacuum but still has ineffectiveness at a great distance . You can just put more energy into it to improve i it . Sorta like we increase the size and mass of projectiles to improve them
It is a laser
@@patricofritz4094 Lasers shouldn't be visible in a vacuum... but then, it's cool, and makes the action a heck of a lot easier to follow, so...
Lasers *definitely* can be visible in atmosphere. Though the kind of laser that is combat useful might, in practical terms, be *blinding* to look at. Just the beam, scattering through the air.
The Brightlance *looks* like it should be a plasma railgun or something, which... honestly? Would make sense. You've already got a magnetic accelerator, if you don't need to worry about melting the projectile, you can pump in more power. Add in some Forerunner shenanigans to keep the stream from self-repelling...
@@basedeltazero714 I never said in a vacuum I only said it was possible. The person talked about in atmosphere not just space.
Please make more of these videos! Fantastic job.
Already on it my friend, glad you've enjoyed them!
Now this is high quality content m8 :D
I never really saw any issue with the 343 era ships design, but I do have an issue with lazy story writing, which does diminish my interest in newer designs, such as the redesign of the Forward Unto Dawn and 343 expecting us to accept that the strident looking frigate was the Charon class frigates. If they just kept the original design for the original ships and then introduced the strident when Chief is rescuing the Infinity, then it would be much more impactful (and that's not including the horrid backstory telling of the Spartan IIs cutscenes, with all of them wearing the gen 2 Mjolnir armor -.-)
snowflake over here can't even stomach a tiny bit of asset reuse
Emphasis THICK armor plate as thick as 60cm to 2 meters dissipated some plasma weaponry but did little.
Uh if you didn’t know, the Office of Naval intelligence is real and was established in 1882
I was actually statione at ONI in DC. No Spartans there-just maybe some of us that wish we were Spartans.
Well think of it this way, direct to energy weapons are much more efficient than their chemical or even magnetic counterparts. For example in the real world ion engines reign supreme in total delta v (amount of speed you’re getting from rest from the engine) where magnetic nozzle based forms come in second and chemical engines come in after that. But besides that a photon sail with a ground based laser pusher would be even more efficient. The point is that photons are the ideal medium for radiating energy, the amount of effective energy you’re getting slinging a metal bullet with electromagnets is going to be a lot less than the energy you’d get in simply beaming the energy straight into a target because of all the energy you’re loosing powering magnets. Now how the UNSC can manufacture such a big, I assume to be a fiber laser, without melting the lens is a mystery in its own right. Maybe they distort gravity itself to be an ideal lens like the covenant did. Who knows. Point is that lasers are much more efficient at delivering energy, as long as you can make a good one that is.
Fantastic video, I'm very happy I found your channel
Thanks, glad to have snagged a fellow Wendigoon enjoyer
Ayyy I was on the bridge when the Portland did that test lol
I would assume that the side sections on the mulsane would be deployment bays like the Charon and Paris class had, from my knowledge the Stalwart was the only class do deploy the pelicans from the bottom.
Man i love your content. Correct density of information and not full of completely irrelevant dead air or FACE REVEAL like hiddenxperia cringe
Technically shields wouldn't work on lasers.
Since you can see through the shield, and the laser is visible, it would mean that the shield should let the laser hit the hull without effecting it in any way :D
But since energy shields are kinda just magic I guess we're just gonna ignore that little texty😭
MAC gun is still a devastating weapon. However it's disadvantage is ammo capacity... thus directed energy weapons whose ammo is energy... eliminate volume requirements for MAC rounds.
Thou the Mulsanne is smaller and lighter, huge portion that weight is armor plate... with the advent of shields..... armor became less essential.
that cortana jumpscare creeped me the hell out ngl
I don't know if the information is it there, but if LOVE to see a breakdown on UEG/UNSC'd economy. Like really... How much does an orbital MAC cost. Looking at most of the halo ships, I bet taxes are OUTLANDISH! 🤣😂
I've been planning on doing something like that for a while. It's a while off but I think we can gather some information on that kind of thing.
And yeah the taxes were enough to drive hundreds of planets to full scale rebellion, so uh... a wee bit high maybe
I mean it has hangars on the sides, most likely for pelicans or fighters, it must probably have a reasonable amount of marines, because of what we see in zeta halo
Kinda glad the UNSC is ditching the copypaste design philosophy where they make the bare minimum to make the ships at least somewhat look like different classes
Oni actually exists office of Naval intelligence actually exists
31:05 whos to say you need spacalized versions to dock? Would make way more sense to have your hiant super carrier built with docking bays standardized to shipyards then need specalized subclasses of escort models that require addotional modification, i feel like the only diffrence between regular and onboard escorts would be what each ship is assigned to do, hell wouldnt be suprised to see them traveling in fleets larger then its onboard complement and having it serve as a tender moreso then a carrier at least for anything prowler sized and up, would allow diffrent ships to rotate out to restock on supplys, repair damage and gove the crews more R&R and even training options given the wargames simulators onboard also I feel like the strident isn't so much a successor to the mote ground assault focused legacy models but more so a bulked up SF insertion platform given the provisions for booster frames and a focus of more drop pod based insertion options, this is like something you would use when you don't need the stealth of a prowler to insert teams but need to engage in large surface actions for raids vs conventional ground assault and occupation, I can see these used not so much in hit and run raids but hitting a soft target to the point it's completely incapacitated then loading all your troops back onboard and bugging out befoe reinforcements respond to sos calls
Small crew for a large ship. If it's more than 450m, just think, current USN Aircraft carriers are 332m long, and those are massive ships with up to 5k personnel. So, these frigates have much more power, larger, and it's crazy to think they wouldn't carry at least a half a dozen aircraft, both for transport, cargo, and figher and support aircrafts. And at least a dozen or so troops for security.
Is understandable for the old ships of the UNSC to have low crew because the mac takes up a lot of space, but the new ones like the mulssane that doesn’t have a Mac should atleast have a very large crew hell a invasion force
Bruh how you only got 1k subs
I know, right? Lol
i would love to see a star wars empire at war style halo wars. i would play the shit out of that
There is a halo mod for star wars empire at war
Thought this was about frigates
500 years navy still uses naval hierarchy
What unit he finds out that the US Navy actually has an Office of Naval Intelligence 😂
Please do the rest of unsc ships please
No worries, I'm already on it my friend
Waiting to see shortsword fighters
Purveyor of virtue is a real nice way of saying I am hunting virgins to steal their virginity
The main purpose of spaced armor is to defeat HEAT and HESH rounds.
The "wings" could also be residual heat radiators for reactor functions?
15:12 is that anakins voice from the clone wars i hear or am i just hearing things?
What about video about UNSC Ships Weapons in Halo
You should combine your first frigate video and this one. 👈
Hold up that's a good idea, the first one got demonetized lmao.
@@gammacompanymark Oh man. That sucks. TH-cam seems frustrating as a career.
A comment for the Comment God.
What the f ?!?!
Why does the Strident only has 2 archer pods ?
Its such a light weapon load in terms of missiles
It makes them defenseless when they need to wait for the mac to recharge.
Big mistake about Mac : they fire at 3/5 of the speed of light !
Not 0.4% lol
Well I did make a mistake, but it was that the correct number is apparently 4% the speed of light, not .4%
All thanks to a quote from the Fall of Reach where someone said that the SuperMacs fire at "point four tenths" which could be interpreted as 0.04 or 0.4.
3/5 is way too fast, that wouldn't make any sense.
@@gammacompanymark i cant remember where but i read in a 3/5 but it was long time ago to i May be doing a mistake
By the way : great content man
I love halo ships, so cool that u do ships break down.
Will you do more rare ships like of OAS for example ?
And also covenant ships ?
I have know Halo for my whole life but informations for some rare convenant ships is hard to find, May be it could be a good idea to do videos about less know ship classes
What do you think ?
There seems to be two vastly different numbers floating around, probably a miss communication between two of the books.
I would to see a carrier super carrier or crusier use a laser cannon instead of mac. If they arw powerful at the frigate level imagine how they must be at say the infinity level
Master chief killed the spartan killers. So that makes the masterchief a spartan killer killer 😂
3:55 While the Stalwart is a pre-war design and the engine pods might be threatened by insurgent attack, during the Human-Covenant war such a weakness is irrelevant: if a Covenant ship gets a bead on a frigate it will pop like a bubble. The only hope is that it can fire its MAC before that happens.
6:30 Note that would, in fact, be much more powerful than basically anything we see in the series, with a yield in the teratons TNT. On the one hand, it womps Covenant ships. On the other hand, the waste heat should vaporize itself, and the bombs that destroy the Earth stations are so much smaller...
8:10 It's called a 'reflex laser' which suggests that it's... reflecting... something? One could imagine a series of lasers along the arms pulsing independently, somehow... redirected by Skiffy Bullshit in a 'forwards' direction?
9:20 Well... lasers are, as a rule, less efficient than coilguns, both at the 'muzzle' and the target. So typically equal energy should get you less boom per joule than a MAC.
10:20 Well... laser diffract as *diffuse* entities, each individual photon scattering. The entire 'beam' isn't offset - not from this, anyways, the physical precision of your *steering* - i.e. your turret or actually pointing the ship - could be an issue. Moving out of the way of a laser is hard, as well, because it can just track you...
On the other hand, you can rotate, cause the laser to hit an undamaged section of the hull and be unable to do much more than score the paint, so to speak.
28:05 Yes... but does this work when you're not dealing with the Covenant's staggering (lack of) EWAR capabilities? That is some... staggering
29:05 Armor is irrelevant given the firepower disparities involved in the Human-Covenant war... and possibly in pre-war scenario, too, where UNSC ships would rarely encounter seriously armed enemies. Post-war... well, it's a bit more relevant now.
On the other hand, sight is irrelevant when the human crew is mostly there for repairs and a leash on the AI that actually do the point-and-shoot... which is a problem when AI is suddenly Highly Suspect.
30:30 Given the EWAR focus of the ship... perhaps the Anlace's lasers are meant to be used to burn out enemy sensors? Suddenly dumping A Lot More Power Than It's Meant To Handle into a radar/lidar/etc is a very effective way to fuck the whole system up.
34:42 Where is it though? The 'lip' hanging down from the upper arm blocks the spine of the ship.
Why does stone sound like Kat?
I am the 420th like. 😂👌🏻
Prowlers might be the ugliest fighter class ship I have ever seen.
Ngl the Banished as a whole are a pretty stupid faction halo lore wise, clearly created by someone who had no intentions of recognizing any of the existing lore that created what they now try to pretend is their work, that or the writers never bothered to learn anything about halo in the first place, the brutes were wiped to near extinction before submitting to the Covenant, then suffered further losses in their defeat...... Then out of fucking no where they're the strongest and most baddest bad guys yet and they even have a whole custom made fleet of ships Atriox pulled out of his physically superior asshole, if they had atleast given them primarily scavenged Covenant ships it would have been better but nope... All these custom black and red painted "brute" ships get generated out of thin air by the power of shitty writing and a lack of creativity............ Poor Halo............. Not to mention that scene with Chief, like why is this one space monkey just WAY bigger and WAY badder than all his other monkey buddies? They never even bother to give some cool explanation like he was a genetic experiment by the supposed dumb space monkeys created to try and free their people. That too would even be kind of stupid but it would be something... I mean they are regarded as being less intelligent then the average "intelligent lifeform" its almost like they were never designed to be the main bad guy, even there betrayal of the split jaws never positioned them as the number one baddies, just the new number two, and very briefly...
343 killed so many spartans, and for what? Nothing but a mid ass game thats flopping. 343 killed halo.
Oof...those things are super-terrible designs. Not nearly as bad as Star Trek...but definitely on par with how shitty Star Wars ships are.
The ships of Halo are a joke of death traps.
Hard disagree with ya my man, especially with starwars ships
In the context of the covenant war I'd agree. However these ships were originally designed to combat human insurrectionists.