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- Have you ever wondered which vehicle from the Halo is most realistic within today's world? Well wonder no more, join me this week as we run through all of the biggest names in Halo to see which would make sense today and which never made sense to even begin with!
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I got the notification for this video and had to a double take because I thought it said racism tier list for a second
lmao
The prophets are S tier racism in the Halo universe.
“Split-lip” is an s-tier racial slur
That’s a Monday thing
That would be way cooler
I find it funny how you said that the mammoth basically is too big to go anywhere irl because whenever modders try to use it in custom multiplayer maps we are like “oh yeah, this thing is way too big.”
I still want one irl tho lol
Also you should make another video like this for covenant vehicles and basically just assume we have the technology to make anti grav vehicles and whatever else work
I think that mammoth would pretty much only work as a mobile base/mac platform in a very large/expansive environment with very few obstacles... so like Tatooine and nowhere else lol. Come to think of it the mammoth is a lot like a sand crawler... just with wheels and guns
Might work better as a hovercraft, that would at least fix a few of the issues
only maps it might work are cold snap of the crashed pillar of autaum map... then i remember the mantais aka the portable nuke :)
The Elephant is much more practical of a design because it has less weight and treads to carry all that weight. Just the fact that the Mammoth is driven by six massive wheels makes it less realistic.
I think the mantis was the unsc's attempt at answering the wide tread problem of the scorpion in the silliest way they could
Hey I played metal gear, I KNOW bipedal tanks are superior, treds are nice I'll give you that, but the legs give you every tactical advantage whatsoever.
I was gonna bs a reason for the mantis but it doesn't fit with how warfare had evolved by the end the human covenant war. Considering both sides had clearly learned that big, slow moving armor was a great way to get soldiers killed, a waste of resources, and almost never used it (there are exceptions) the mantis and the behemoth thing in that one desert mission from Halo 4 don't really fit in the "move fast or you won't live long enough to regret it" style of warfare of the halo games.
@@worsethanyouthinkA comparative logistical nightmare though. A LOT more stuff to repair if things get damaged, lot more difficult to repair and replace, lot more machining, far more expensive to do the above, etc. Tactically better sure, but in the end logistics is what wins wars.
@burnttoast26 I know, I was making an engravings reference
@@burnttoast26 In what way is a legged vehicle superior to tracked or wheeled platforms? Legs have all the downsides you mentioned, as well as having poorer load and terrain crossing capability than both tracks and wheels--not to mention the entire vehicle will collapse if a leg is damaged, a problem that doesn't plague tracked or wheeled vehicles. The only positive to legs that I can think of is that the platform sits higher, which debatable isn't even an advantage given that now the bulk of your vehicle is exposed for everyone to see and shoot.
TBF, there's a scientist in Halo 4 that mentions how the mantis is used as a mech loader when not equipped for combat.
I think most people agree that while mechs aren't the best for combat, they are pretty handy for logistics work.
I mean if it had human like hands but with the power to lift at least 2 metric tons the mech would have utility in both logistics and agriculture, also fun fact the titans in titanfall were designed for that exact purpose
@@jimbothegymbro7086Same with Gundam. They were made for basically the same reasons
That doesn't make sense. The mantis is very clearly only designed for combat, just look at it you can't slap arms on it and call it a day it'd never work. The cyclops is designed like a loader.
@@montypython5521 It's just what I heard on my replay of Halo 4 the other week.
The weapon systems are mounted onto the ends of the arms so I could see them being removable via machines and switched out for forklift arms or something.
@@montypython5521I mean they can just swap the arms though, all the stabilization used for the guns would also be really good for cargo
old WW2 tanks became tractors once they retired and they were by far not designed for the role
You forgot some big thing about the Pelican
It can carry not only 10 Troops
But a Warthog or even a Scorpion.
facts, Pelican got robbed in this vid
And drop both of those combat ready while providing fire support, in a vtol package. - Unlike the c-130 needing a long runway, open loading door, power down, safely off load all equipment, prepare it for combat etc etc
Theres a clear need for combat ready capable deployment craft and the pelican us perfect.
@@halogamerdude41 its also clear that it is extremely realistic given the fact that we have already tried making the C-130 take off from a super short runway through literal fucking rockets and dumping millions into the Osprey program and other VTOL capable aircraft like the harrier and F-35
Dont forget the orbital enrty.
But if one of the engines shut off all the troops and the Warthog/Scorpion is gone go *boom
Actually for a space craft you want extra drag for re-entry. I've always been under the assumption that's the only real purpose of the wings on the pelican and the reason the saber has the extra wings. These are vehicles designed mainly for space travel and re-entry. In space aero basically doesn't matter at all and in re-entry the more drag the better. It's why all craft we have for re-entry go to the flatter side when re-entering as it slows the craft down faster and in the thinner atmosphere so it heats up less.
If we purpose built an aircraft for it we could easily just send it on a transglobal descent and land it on a normal runway but political tensions and the disaster of a money pit that was the space shuttle made it impossible to get working. however if I'm not mistaken virgins soon to be comercial "space" craft should have more traditional designs that coast on the air rather than dropping with the trajectory of a rock into the ocean, but its also not gonna get nearly as high as the iss (which is actually within atmosphere, the more you know).
@worsethanyouthink I mean there was the sky raker design by Rockwell. It was supposed to be a rocket plane that could land anywhere. The project just never took off though as the plans for satellite solar were pushed off following Regan taking the presidency. Plus following this Rockwell would end up breaking up due to having too many unprofitable ventures. Prior to this they were one of the biggest monopolies in the country.
I mean you also need wings to mount any thrusters anyways so you have control
@@williewilson2250 not necessarily, you could use a propulsor sytem to mimic a helicopter in atmosphere and you don't need wings in space, the only limitation would be top speed in an atmosphere. And on reentry for the first guys statement all you need is counter thrust to maintain a stable speed, the only reason space age craft need so much drag is because we don't have a way of mounting g a thruster and enough fuel without spending 20x as much fuel to get it into space the first time, don't know why I didn't mention that earlier
@@worsethanyouthink I meant for rolling on it's own axis since ailerons wouldn't work
Saber was also meant for space/high orbit superiority only. They were launched from the ground via **Rockets** Wing tip thrusters were primarily meant as afterburners, which while A certain liability, cutting the afterburner and compensating with power shifts to individual primary engines to start course correction. Along with the fact that they more than likely have secondary maneuvering emergency 'thrusters' much like we see in other sci-fi for finer maneuvering and also in Halo itself for direct evasive maneuvers on the lateral and horizontal axis. So In either case, for modern military integration it shouldn't be on the list as we have Zero applicability for the craft. Even for the Long Sword it's only half applicable because while it can provide ground strikes, CAS/atmospheric air superiority was primarily meant to be from properly outfitted pelicans and Army/air force Short Sword fighter craft.
I'm glad someone mentioned this
The only reason I could think of why the Mammoth is so big is that its meant to be a mobile fortress where troops can resupply and vehicles can get repairs while being on the battlefield,
or it was the only vehicle design that could carry that large ass mac gun.
Either way, I think 343 was just trying to make a UNSC version of the scarab and it ended up looking very impractical.
Its official designation lists it as a "siegework".
It's called a mini mac
@@KillerOrca Which makes you ask the question, in what fucking way can it be used practically in an era of warfare that the Covenant are on the offensives and can route it via dropships?
@Seriona1 It's a post war design.
@@KillerOrca That actually helps my argument.
I would say the Hornet is more like a Littlebird than an Apache. The Sparrowhawk is more equivalent to the heavy attack chopper.
Fun thing about the Warthog, is that there is actually some lunatic out there who made a functional full-scale replica of exactly that.
So, obviously then, the warthog would be S tier in Realism, because someone already made it IRL.
Not a lunatic but a legend, I wish I could engineer sci fi vehicles
Of course you could built it but why is it a fracking Cabrio with no side and top armor and a gunner more exposed than the titts of a stripper
I love the falcon, but do you think its capacity is a bit low (3 passengers, 2 gunners) or maybe since those were spartans it could fit in more marines if optimized for that
I think it's due to the size of spartans, I'm convinced you could pack in 8 and have two hang legs out the sides
@TheBigCabezon was thinking smth similar with hanging off. And considering it can hold 5 spartans in the back which weigh 1,000 each, it should be able to carry a lot more troops
@@TheBigCabezon the thing weighs 15 tons. It weights over double what a black hawk weighs. Its empty weight is the same as a Valor completely loaded down. Its kinda crap based on that alone. For do much weight you really don't get much in the way of capacity. Considering it can hold three spartans relatively easily I'll assume it could cary something like a warthog but its still pretty lacking.
I always considered the Falcon to be more of a light support and reconnaissance craft rather than a troop transport considering its design and size. I do believe the Spartans do make the Falcon’s capacity look much smaller than it actually is but even then for the role which it looks best suited for the small crew and troop capacity seems fitting for reconnaissance and fire support.
@casematecardinal its not a helicopter, its a jet/tilt rotor hybrid and undoubtedly has much greater performance
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Also in Halo reach:
A bunch of warthogs just go straight to covenants
The Sabres in Reach are YSS but the ones in Infinite are FSS, Y means prototype, indicating that a role for it wasn't already agreed upon or its intended role was hidden? Like how the FP-45 Liberator was called Flare Pistol in order to make its true purpose unknown. SS could mean Space Ship.
The F in FSS means Fleet and denotes the user of it (Navy), the first S denotes its role in the fleet's designation scheme, that being Anti-Ship, and the second S denotes the vehicle type, in this case Space Plane. Atleast this is what I got from a 2 minute glance at the Sabre's wiki page.
Like when they were debating between the 22 and 23, they had the Y at the start of their names
@@ohnolookwho241if it follows the real world US Military designation system, Y stands for a prototype aircraft as in YF-22/YF-23 and is the designated a craft is given before being adopted while it is in trials.
Thee Mantis may be in F tier, but I still love it and want it in Halo Infinite
This was a very enjoyable video! I liked the recap on most of your breakdowns. Well done.
The fact that the Wasp is a light reconnaissance vehicle gave me a cool idea to make it unique in a sandbox where the Hornet and the Falcon are also present.
The Wasp could have the special ability to highlight all enemies in a certain area around it (maybe all enemies appearing onscreen, idk) or some other feature that provided info to the rest of the team, making it more than just another aircraft that can hover and shoot. This would allow it to have a special place in the sandbox and leave the role of small attack vehicle to the Hornet
Great video! Keep up the good work! By the way it's stated in the 112th page of the Essential Visual Guide that the GA-TL1 designation is inspired by the Longsword's designers' names, which are Gov Aukland and Thomas Levesque.
That's pretty cool ngl
like how its a shaw-fujikawa slipspace engine, thats neetish
Thanks for the shoutout chief, just that i was never in the military. I appreciate that it looks that way tho
it's our secret
ONI agents everywhere man.. 👀
The issue with the falcon in the real world is the location of the propellers make it a hazard for the crew resulting in constantly down forces on those on the sides and making it incredibly hazardous to bail or parachute from. We see these exact issues with the osprey. Yes it can carry a single vehicle and people can jump from it, but they have to jump from it in motion and from the rear like a plane, not like a copter as the downforces can throw people into a spin or screw with their parachute if it opens early.
The Falcon is more helicopter than tilt-rotor. It does not turn the rotors/propellers fully 90 degrees.
The propellers are also impractical given the low disturbance thrusters we see on the pelican and on the back of the falcon it uses, it's also an open face design, which is useful for Spartan swat teams like Nobel, is horrible in any other setting, even the Bell 47(the most bare bones helo youll ever see) covers the patients faces.
Lmao this was such a great watch all the way through. I’m glad your insightful and logical when talking about these sci-fi vehicles. Please continue to do this.
Much appreciated!
15:22 i think the falcon is more like the little bird, for small insertions but can also be used as an attack aircraft
I feel like that would be more the hornet and the falcon would be closer to one of those short Hueys and a Pelican being a Chinook because it can Cary heavy equipment and more troops
I think doctrinally the hornet is more of a little bird minus the actual dedicated troop carrying compartment (lets be honest they could design one into the airframe pretty easily) and the falcon is more of a blackhawk while the pelican is somehwere between a C-130 and chinook in it's use
2 things
16:08 in that specific mission I've found that crouching with the mantis has actually helped me. Maybe if the mantis had smaller auxiliary legs with its main legs to crawl faster and then stood up when it needed to fire above cover it would be better?
For the warthog and the others in the big 3, in lore they're hydrogen powered and those containers hold water so it's a great behind enemy lines vehicle with refuel being so simple
elephant and mammoth are classed as mobile bases, mammoths being the local primary forward ops and the elephant as a basic forward op for recon troops in situations that a permanent base is either wholly unnecessary or otherwise denied. The wasp is a strike craft meant for hit and run sorties and recon. The D in D-77 stands for drop ship as that is what the pelican is and more accurately the designation of the unsc pelican is the drop ship type 77 troop transport or D-77 pelican TT for short. The sabre is an experimental craft and the thruster at the wings are afterburners not legit thrusters. Longswords are strike/bomber craft, broadswords are effectively just anti fighter/boarding craft. Scorpion tanks have been proven to be a reliable anti everything that isn't bigger than a fighter and is within 2 km of atmosphere.
Elon himself said that the Cybertruck was deliberately designed to look like a low-poly version of the Warthog, as he is a fan of the Halo series.
Too bad the CyberTruck is cheeks
the Warthogs definitely deserved an S+ rank, considering that several people have actually made their own Warthogs in real life.
Wouldn't be used in real militaries, there's lot of gameplay elements shoved into it.
That's not a good criteria for something being S or even A on realism since stuff like the Space Marine Rhino exists irl as well and people know the majority of 40k vehicles are incredibly poorly designed
@@ironwolfsaber2739 I would disagree. If the DPV or FAV has uses in real life, the Warthog which is just an armored version of that certain has uses.
@ironwolfsaber2739 some real militaries use technicals. That's essentially what the warthog is.
Woah, thanks for the mention! I really appreciate it, my guy
fantastic video, i think when you’re making comparisons having a picture showing what your explaining would be a great touch
This is the first Video i watched from you ,12 Minutes in and i all ready love it. I enjoy the use of the correct terminology and that you clearly are in the Armed Forced or work as a civilian contractor . good video man
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I can't wait till the next time I can sit down and watch a bunch of the latest vids back to back to back ❤
Wow, thank you!
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Keen to see more videos!!
The thing you're missing about the Scorpion that makes it look so unrealistic is that it's built for interstellar ground engagements. The planets it's being deployed to aren't all Earth-like environments, and when gravity is low, you need more mass to maintain grip, and more treads means more mass. But when gravity gets especially low you need to be able to apply differential pressure across your chassis. In the case of Mars rovers you'll notice the hydraulics are very robust and capable of pressing the rover's weight on any one wheel or combination of wheels. The Scorpion is capable of pressing its "foot" down where necessary to gain traction, and lift where necessary to balance the vehicle.
So while it appears that the 4 tread design is overdesigned, that's because it's designed for many unique alien environments.
The turret being so high makes it look like the tail of a scorpion and makes it go boom boom, so it's pretty cool when it shooty shoots.
Kidding, of course. I'm sure there's some kind of sci-fi explanation for the turret considering the people that designed it originally, such as keeping it above water on alien swamp worlds, or maybe something more specific. But I'm sure Jason Jones or someone had at least a half baked explanation even if it's something that could be picked apart in review.
The turrets height is meant for it firing over high cover, the scorpion isnt really that big, it also works well for AA purposes because of the high turret letting it get a lead easier and its much much faster because its so tall and thin
The fact its an unmanned turret tells us thats theres very low consideration for height because all crew are down low, it doesn’t matter if the tank gets knocked out, crew survivability is highest priority always.
Also provides clearance for hull turret gunner. And keeps ammo rack further from crew.
@@halogamerdude41 you also gotta remember that the original designs in 1 and 2 had the driver control the turret, and the turret fired near the main canon and not on the chassis
@@ThePrimordialArchon Dude the Scorpion is roughly 1.5 times the size of an Abrams tank, being 33ft long, 19ft tall, and 26ft wide. For reference, the Abrams is only 26ft long, 8ft tall and 12ft wide. If you want something sized similarly to a modern MBT, look at the Warthog. It's 6 feet shorter in length and 3 feet less wide. That's it. A scout vehicle that's 2 feet taller than a TANK lmao. You can literally fit an Abrams tank inside of a Pelican's troop bay. If you were to shrink Halo's vehicles to a reasonable size, then yeah they're pretty neat. But a Warthog would take up as much space as a semi tractor-trailer.
Funny to see this after watching the video another channel did making their own unsc strike force. They hated the warthog and razer back because they weren’t fully armored around the crew positions
Who's video? That sounds interesting
@@danielsantiago3273 The Templin institute.
It’s a TH-cam channel that goes over fantasy and sci-fi things with a style like a short educational video explaining about it. They also do stuff for specials like discussions on sci-fi realism or tropes.
Two of their latest videos were making a unsc army force and then a fan fiction history video of them
@@Nostripe361 I remember watching it. If i remember correctly they didnt think its design was useful for direct combat, but it was good for moving people around, so these two channels probably do agree with each other.
The scorpion when it comes to width is really not that much wider than modern tanks when you look at size comparisons based on human scaling. Remember that modern takes requite 3-5 man crews in the turret alone. Also out all the games the Scorpion is the worst to drive in infinate because of how they altered the controls for movement.
Not to mention how all vehicles in Infinite are made of Paper mache!
Yup. Pretty much. Even the Scorpion likes to blow up at the most in opportune moments. Probably just wanted to give an excuse for you to find and clear the firebases more...@@JMObyx
thanks for sharing other small Halo creators!!
Your Videos and Marks deserve so much more than you get, love the content!
Wow, thank you!
😁 Analyzing vehicles, strategy, etc. is one of my favorite things in any universe’s lore to watch! Keep up the good work!
Hey Cabezon! I love your content. Especially the immersive storyteller videos you did for the flood and covenant on modern-day earth. I also really love Halo, but I hope we can see you do content on other franchises too someday.
Glad you like them!
Bro the mammoth was like the only effective weapon against scarabs
The elephant is not so much as a recovery vehicle then a mobile vommand center. In halo wars 1, thr elephant would function as a base that you could move around.
I am very late however it is worth noting those are a very different kind of elephant as the one seen in halo 3 having fully enclosed space and more weaponry.
They also are a good deal smaller.
Mechs wouldn't be good for warfare but they would be quite useful for tasks that require so many different specialized equipment. The farming industry, having to move giant blocks of hay by using a crane, then putting it on a truck. Moving shipping containers. Girders for building construction... all that could be done by a mech. We wouldn't need to make so many different machines, we could just make mechs.
Mechs absolutely would have a place in many fields, even in the military for rear echelon roles. Just not as a frontline armored fighting vehicle.
It just depends on the gyro stabilizations of the mech. If you solve the Gyro problems, you can reach Battletech levels of mech usage however unless such a thing comes along, Japan and the US are the only nations actually spending RnD into mech technology and even they say it has limited military uses and not for combat.
@@Seriona1 Mechs would be unnecessarily complex for a combat role and too easy to disable. You can't armor them too much as their ground pressure is markedly terrible even without added armor, and every joint would be very easy to shoot. In nearly every popular depiction of mechs for combat, things like hydraulic lines and wiring are exposed - this would likely be the case for real mechs too.
@@bluntcabbage6042 Like I said, unless we reach how Battletech does it which is a human like Gyro and artificial muscles, it won't have any real use.
You should rank and review UNSC Halo weapons on realism!
This video is top notch, as I appreciate the realism of the vehicles, and I agree with pretty much all of this. Thanks as well for the shoutout, you did not have to do that at all and I appreciate it! Subbed for more, keep it up!
Much appreciated! Been a fan of your channel for a minute, always appreciative for the support!
great video! would be cool if you covered the other unsc vehicles too!!!
Awesome video man!
Thanks!
The Wasp was originally introduced in Halo 5, where it had an energy shield, which made it much more durable and suited for an actual fight. However, 343 removed that in Halo Infinite
The thing with the elephant is that it's a mobile command post, it deploys with turrets and has a few command stations and communications center, it's deployed on worlds, it can move, and its a connecting point from the ground and orbit where you ant build a solid command post quickly. Same with the mammoth, just scaled up with the infinity.
With the scorpion, I think the quad treads is for mobility in hazardous environments, the front and back can move independently over obstacles, but that's just my standpoint.
I love your review and this is in no way negative towards your opinion, just my 2 cents
The only advantage of quad tracks is keeping the vehicle on a horizontal plane on uneven terrain, and you'll often see it in industrial applications for this reason. Hydropneumatic suspension does more or less the same thing for a fraction of the cost and complexity, and that's what you'll find on military vehicles. See: Type 10 Hitomaru and K2 Black Panther.
@@meeshii3 thank you very much, I love learning new things like this
I would love to see also you ranking the vehicle in Halo Wars as well because there are more UNSC vehicles that never really showed up in a mainline game
Don't even get me started on the 90mm cannon for the Scorpion...
Yeah, that’s the main thing that’s always bugged me about the Scorpion. 90mm guns were obsolete in the 1960s as a tank armament, let alone 2552. I’m not sure why Bungie picked that caliber of all things, you’d think they’d at least give it a 120 like most western tanks have been using for years even back when CE was in development.
I forgot halo did a mech, been hyped for armored core 6
sweet vid wish you included the F-99 drone from ODST very cool and realistic looking
21:08 Im pretty sure the Pelican is called the D-77 because the "D" stands for Dropship as its primary role in UNSC service is ferrying troops and cargo between the surface and ships in orbit, etc. So It would make a little more sense to call it the DC-77 and DA-77 for Dropship Cargo, and Dropship Attack respectively.
In the setting with more planets we do not have built and a mapped out I guess a portable mamoth sized vehicle that can store smaller vehicles and research facilities on it for exploration and unexpected combat scenarios would make more sense
The reason the Sabre has the four numbers is for the name tags, S117 etc, it’s so that it pops up in coop as your teammate.
It makes you think for airborne vehicles such has the Falcon if the Bungie and 343 developers knew real aerospace engineers bc the falcon legit looked like a feasible vehicle in todays time yet it looked just a tad bit futuristic back in 2010
The Worthog family. That always reminds me of the Australian SASR (Special Air Service Regiment)/Commando teams LRPV (Long Range Patrol Vehicles). Small lightly armoured, sits the driver, gunner and vehicle/patrol commander, and at a pinch 3 more, can have guns (main gun/passenger gun) or no guns. Comes in a variety of different types and has different types of main gun. Excellent vehicles
I think a tierlist for covenant vehicles would be a great idea next!
Amazing video! Another sub from me.
Now can you make another reality test on the UNSC's? infantry weapons?
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Crushed Volkswagen: *Help me*
The Wasp is analogous to the OH-58 Kiowa Warrior. Low intensity scout primarily but capable of providing some air support in a pinch. It did become obsolete as the Apache Longbow provided better sensors on a more capable platform.
You better build a pelican one day cause my god i love it.
Now we need this for the covenant vehicules
Dear Cabezon,
I just wish to say that enjoyed the video, and I hope that 343 will see this one day and see it as constructive criticism.
However, I wish to clarify why the Pelican is classified as the D-77 Pelican Troop Transport. The D stands for Drop ship, and that’s exactly what the Pelican is designed to do, load a few squads into the troop bay, take those troops from the main ship down to the planet’s surface, drop the units off planet side, return to the main ship, and repeat.
Also, a little bit of fun Trivia about the YSS-1000 Sabre, there was actually a competitor to this craft for the next Exoatmospheric Strike Fighter called the S-930 Pegasus, made by SinoViet Heavy Machinery, there were nine combat ready prototypes ready for the Battle of Tribute in 2552.
Hope you have a splendid day.
Finally finished your video (4 days later) and I got to the Saber part. The Saber is a space fighter, not an aircraft. It doesn't have a tail fin stabilizer because it's not meant for in-atmosphere combat. Its top (fins) are likely artificial gravity field emitters for stability, and the bi-wing design is also likely involved in this kind of concept. Notice there are no flaps for steering. This is likely because it's using the multiple engines, sure, but also because it uses gravity fields for maneuvers. This is why the Banshee also has the bi-wing like design. The rods are part of a full ship artificial gravity control system. This is also why they weren't afraid to lose their thrusters at the tips of the wings. The speed will surely take a hit as the gravity fields will have a tough time compensating for the off-kilter thrust, sure. But it won't send the thing spinning.
Anyway, the wings are also important for radial thermal radiation. Vehicles in the vacuum of space get hot fast, and you need to focus the heat into fins and wings to let it radiate out as light because there are little to no gasses surrounding the vehicle to absorb any heat. The double wing lets liquid cooling systems flow through the outer engines and then back to a central control system in a way that's slightly more efficient as it allows for heat radiation on multiple wing panels and directions.
Anyway, the main issue with these is that you're putting them into modern Earth environments and not accounting for the very realistically considered future environments design mentality.
That being said, these wings aren't large enough to serve as proper thermal controls, and they definitely designed it to maintain a "cool jet" factor visually even as they gave a nod to the hard sci-fi concepts that Joseph Staten and the old guard Bungie crew were known to enjoy.
Oh dang, I paused it before you were actually finished talking about the Saber. 😅
So the FSS is "Fighter Space Ship". It's a new designation because it's not like anything we've ever had before. It's a space ship and a fighter. Modern fighters would not be able to go into space with trivial small adjustments. They simply can't function in space across the board. New space ships will need to be built on a smaller scale that resemble a fighter, but those won't be fighters that have changes. They will be space ships built smaller and armed for fast fighter like combat. They'll be something entirely new, not an evolution, so they need an entirely new designation, but a partially new sub-category designation of something that already exists.
we actually have aircraft with a similar mission set to the wasp currently, it's called the Sky Warden, it's a slightly unarmored crop-duster with various weapons mounted to them.
Now that the Viper Stealth Tank has finally dropped with the rest of the Digsite content, I'd love to see it covered since it has a lot of the features the Scorpion lacks
I always thought the Elephant was a research/mobile base for study of the Forerunner ruins on Sandtrap. The guns are just a backup/bonus- you never know if something may want to attack you.
I started thinking of what would be a semi-realistic heavy drop ship for colonization efforts, made basic designs for it. Coincidentally, I watched a video about the Spirit of Fire about 2 days later, and facepalmed after what I had made looked very roughly like the D20 Heron. And the auxiliary craft I thought up looked like a fatter D96-TCE Albatross.
I don't even play or watch much Halo content, I haven't played a halo since June 2020 on the MCC. But Halo wars was always my favorite Halo game since it was an RTS, and on a console too. It was the most modern RTS I had ever played when it came out, my main games on pc were AoE2, Star Wars EaW, and LoTR BfME. It wasn't my first Halo, that was Reach, but it's always had a special place for me.
As for video comments, I've always felt that Halo was the most realistic sci-fi universe out there. Everything has a significantly more grounded feeling than say, Star Wars. Things just make sense. Things like the mantis would make more sense in the future for a military, you've got dozens of very urban worlds with massive cities on them. The biggest problem mechs always have is ground pressure, but a mix of future lightweight materials and power generation, combined with having massive areas that are paved urban/suburban zones means a mech would be better than a tank. It really depends on how big the mech is, but most of the more realistic mechs, like the ones from Avatar, could easily fit down a NYC alley way where something else wouldn't fit.
I also have to agree with the statement on Bungie always giving random acronyms, but I love their nickname schemes. All of the classes of aircraft are related in their name, all except for the hornet and the wasp, because Halo Wars also has the sparrowhawk. Most of helicopter/VTOL craft get bird names, pelican, falcon, my previously mentioned heron and albatross. But all the jet fighter types are named after swords types. Longsword, broadsword, baselard, saber, and the nandao.
Warthog would be a deathtrap in an urban environment
With the mantis I agree it makes more sense as a loading/forklift type machine than one that nearly constantly hit by small fire and explosives
16:30 the us army has little prototype mechs used for lifting cargo
I think the scorpion isnt realistic for us on earth but i imagine for planets like mars etc the scorpion could actually prove to be quite useful. The pelican again likely has its advantages in foreign environments. Large transport and cargo capacity. The variable thrusters are very useful for space flight which the pelican certainly does quite a lot of.
For the elephant, I would say the Halo Wars elephant would be superior to the halo 3 one. The elephant to my knowledge serves essentially as a mobile command centre. Its not a frontline unit but if a mobile FOB is needed it could probably fill that role, carrying supplies, a couple of mongeese or a warthog.
Looking at the warthog being for special forces stuff, look at the British Jackal wheeled vehicle and those similar to it. Lightweight, can carry a lot of gear and can be pretty fast.
The sabre and broadsword cant necessarily be considered for realism concerns because they are both space combat vehicles. We dont necessarily know how soace combat will be conducted etc. I know we have neutonian physics and "realistic" stuff like the BSG Viper or the Starfury from B5. Then again the viper has 30mm coilguns and the starfury has pulse cannons and a nuclear reactor for a power plant
I think of the mantis as an advanced forklift that they designed weapons for in the rare situations where you would be attacked in one
For the tanks, if you destroy 1 of the legs, the tank is still operational. Considering AWD mechanics the torque should be allow faster turning. For the elevated turret means you can shoot farther too
On the Mammoth, you're forgetting that we have Airless tires. It's entirely possible that we've discovered the peak of this tech by the 26th century...
One think id line to point out as a huge flaw in the scorpions design is the barrel depression. This would hender its ability to fight hull down on hills.
The high profile turret from the scorpion makes sense since with a improvement in sensors visibility will not be the only thing that matters... also the high profile means that the tank can fire while having its crew protected behind obstacles
I get why you put the wasp in C tier as a attack craft, honestly I never thought of it like that, even in the world of halo I had heard in books and TH-camrs that it was meant to be a low maintenance vehicle that could be used to attack things if need be but was just meant to be there for recon or if nothing better was there and a need needed to be fulfilled. I think as what I’ve heard of it is what it really is, so I’m my heart and my lost it’s higher cus it’s being used like it should from what I know.
a team of spartans in a UA hilux would be a menace
16:13 I agree with your points on the mantis despite my love for the vehicle. I personally think that Star Wars often does mech/walkers in a much more practical way that makes sense
The hornet is more like a little bird with guns.
Only issue I have with this list is the Longsword. They have it labelled as an interceptor/strike fighter, but in reality it should be classified as a heavy bomber, both because of the armaments and the fact that it's absolutely *HUGE.* It's bigger than all but the largest Boeing 747 by a decent margin.
The main problem I have with the unsc vehicles are the exsposed turrets. Yes, I know the abrams have a exsposed turret, but it still has an internal 50 cal protecting the gunner. The scorpion has non of that. The warthog offers absalutely no protection witch means a single competent person with a rifle can take it out, not even factoring in what a single rpg round will do to it. A damm suburban SUV has more protection than a worthog.
There’s actually a Stealth Viper tank that 343 canonized from cut content from Halo CE. It has modern Tank treds, explosive shells, and a lower profile.
i think it’s also important to mention that if the kodiak has an auto loader than it underperforms modern artillery. say the bandkanon 1c has a large tracked body with a 155 millimeter cannon and can fire every 3 seconds.
Love these videos so much. Addicting as hell
Glad you like them!
I would like to mention, the turret for the first Scorpian is also crewless, so having it so high up is actually a benefit as it will only allow the enemy to shoot at your crewless turret, and at worse, disable your gun. meanwhile, a turret that requires you to reveal your hull to aim at the enemy, or a crewed turret, is at more of a risk when exposing itself as the crew are now exposing themselves to enemy fire. Of course its not always the best thing to have a high up crewless turret. The closest tank the US has to the scorpion is the AGS, which has the same turret as the Striker with an autoloader, crewless turret, and its quite low profile. If you go hull down with it, aka you only show your turret, your crew is safe.
Big problem the Scorpion has really is that the turret lacks enough armour around the entire like, neck of it and the gun itself. You wouldn’t even need a modern AT weapon to immobilise that gun. $10 says you could prolly use a 20-25mm and damage it enough around the neck.
Also those track pods are q smart design if 1 track is disabled the tank can still move. Also with pelicans u can easily pick up a scorpion. Detach the disabled pod and swap it out. And boom tanks back at full strength. Same with its turrets just pop one off slap a new one on. It's a modular design. With a hard to hit profile.
I think what so realistic about the warthog is that it combines technology from a developed country with concepts from something that armies in third world counties do. With many armored cars coming from professional armies like the United States, the spot where a machine gun and the gunner are at is protected with armor to reduce exposure to fire. With the warthog, its turret placement and design are inspired by what fighters in the Middle East or Central Africa do, that being strapping on heavy machine guns to their Toyotas, that kind of think you can see in like Lord of War or something.
My theory on the goofy desig nof the scorpion tank is, due to the limited space on the ships, as well as difficulty in getting spare parts and logistics requirements, they deicded to combine a tank and self propelled atillery piece into one vehicle, resulting in a design that can provide both armoured direct fire support, as well as being able to elevate its gun to indirect fire, while all using the same parts and ammo, instead of needing the materials for two separate systems
Really great video, and I love how many vehicles got into S-tier. But dissing the Scorpion for quad tracks is wrong as that is one of its key characteristics, and removing them would make it no longer a Scorpion, you'd be better off creating a new vehicle to begin with than changing a key feature that's been there since day 1.
I agree with your opinion on the elaphant ant its purpose is to deploy troops as a mobile fortress
13:13 i still think the coolest scene ever in halo was red team first contact with the banished
The Scorpions have GIANT turret rings that would get nailed constantly. Those tanks are the definition of a shot trap.
You should do Halo wars vehicles too.
When you said you were going to base score on IF we could make it today I didn't hear anything about practically.
One extra detail about the USNC is that they don't carry and deliver vehicles in full. They actually carry them all in parts so that they can be delivered and built at location in short time.
Your wasp idea is like the Honeybee
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Thing about the Sabre - it was designed for space superiority. Having more drag is a nonfactor in vacuum, and actually beneficial for reentry. As for the wingtip engines, again, the rules of atmospheric flight do not apply. In space if you lose a wingtip like that it's going to throw your center of mass off anyways, meaning you better have a way of counteracting that in a zero gee or microgravity environment. And if you have that counter measure already? Adding engines further away from the centerline only becomes a net benefit, adding the ability to execute sharper turns and add faster acceleration, things you want in a nimble interceptor. If an engine becomes inoperable you just turn the opposite one off and engage the countermeasure already in place to compensate for your off centered mass. There are definitely some issues with the Sabre's design but a lot of that comes from designing a craft for primarily space superiority while still requiring it to at least be capable of operating in atmosphere.
I think the elephant and mammoth should be more of a mobile command center type vehicle but still a poor machine