Although the 10A fast charger seems expensive, it does have some fairly sophisticated power management functions to help look after the Li-ion battery and not over-charge or over-heat the battery cells. It may not be appreciated that heat can damage the cells if this is not mitigated against during spirited riding and it's one reason, as Spicy110 discovered on a Zero I think, that if you nail an electric bike for too long it is likely to go into limp mode to prevent the battery life being shortened. Best not admit to doing that in any warranty claim! Quite a bit of research has been done on the chemistry of these batteries giving, for example, a medium/long-term maximum storage charge recommendation of typically 80%. Not 100% as you might think. Batteries should also be stored at reasonable (eg not say at >40C in the boot of your car in summer!) temperatures. Cold temperatures can also be problematic for optimum charging. Here's a clip from an authority on lithium batteries for anyone interested. th-cam.com/video/pxP0Cu00sZs/w-d-xo.html&feature=emb_logo
Just watched all of your Super Soco videos in a row, and this one was my fav. Really informative! Thanks for sharing your experience with this. Have you tried an Energica yet??
I am betting that the motor controller and motor are capable of doing regen but considering they had to pack that in such a tight package they weren't able to give the motor controller sufficient Cooling and had to disable region altogether I'm guessing that if you were able to add some cooling to the motor controller like a fan or two blowing air acrossed it and hook up and retune that that you could get the regen on that thing working you might not even need to go through all of those steps you might just need to go and you could probably program region stage 2 to the rear brake lever only and put it at something like five or 10% so that way you grab just a tiny bit of the rear brakes and you get some actual regenerative braking happening.
You should make a video on just the start-up and other sounds you get from this bike. Is there any way to turn them off/use custom start0up sounds too?
The guy who delievered my bike mustve slammed my battery compartment really hard cuz now i cant getbit to open i cant turn my key left to open it and i just literally got it as of this comment. Does anyone have any advice or tips to open it up?
I guess no alarm when battery out charging. Is a larger tray part of supercharger price perhaps. Should be a concession on buying super charger if bought with bike, some may not need 2 chargers and only want the supercharger.
I have suggested they would just sell the like with the fast charger. If you deduct the cost of the standard charger and add the difference to the price it will hardly be noticeable.
Dear Team of Super Socco, Today i need to reach out to you because i need Support with my Super soco TC. I have loaded the Batery full and stick it inside of my super soco. Lights went on and eletric worked well but the batery level was on 0%. I checkt if the battery was deloaded but it was not. Now iam looking for support what kind of issue my super soco has. Would be nice to help me, best Regards, alex
Good point re: no alarm if charging. Is there another "residual" battery to keep the electronics from resetting each time - or do you need to reset the clocks etc each time?
how does one fix a battery that has got 42 volts and is a 60 volt battery? And does one trickle charge it with say the satiator up to an ok voltage bypassing the bms?
cool story bro. It is true though if one charges the battery above its capacity or if there are no individual cell fuses (like in most ebike batteries) and one charges too fast. did it and it worked. all that happened was that the battery had been left uncharged too long. If someone out there knows how I should have proceeded I am all ears. I suspect I should have installed the bms software and monitored the cells or done it with a multimeter. Btw there are screws behind the stickers on the batttery case. a real iq test. spent an hour wondering why I could not open it. oh. and I hooked on the negative and positive terminal of the battery itself and used some alligator clips to connect it to my variable electric potential and current charger @@spicy110
Very informative video , thank you ! I’d have to remove the battery twice a day to get to work and back, in the rain 🌧, and dark , all weathers . I don’t mind the hassle so much but not sure how reliable this would be with constant unplugging , lugging , charging and reconnecting .
thx for your great videos :) Do you know how fast it charges with the 10a to 60-80%? I just read that for a distance of 20-30km it doesnt even take an hour. Is there any information if the batteries would allow a faster charging then with 10 ampere?
So awesome! do you know where can I find this FAST supercharger, and I am very curious about BMS that claims more mileage and longevity of the battery. Great content BTW
As far as I know unless they have standard plugs to plug your charger in no. Possibly because this bike can't charge at the speeds those "filling stations" do.
I almost bought one of these but when i found out that a spare battery is almost the same cost of a bike it put me off as ideally i would love a spare i can just switch out when needed.
Honest guess: we know you're big and fairly strong, so it must be heavy for its size, given you quickly got a 2nd hand on it once it was out of the bike. Let's say 18 to 20kg.
Wouldn’t it be smart to have extra batteries on hand that you can leave at work and at home to make quick switches like this instead of waiting to charge?
They seem to £99 that's not expensive for a fast, however I still think it should just be included in the bikes price as all will want it. The not fitting part is not really a surprise as it would require a redesign of the charger and thus make it cost more. They maybe waiting for the next bike models to sort that out.
Yeah i couldn’t imagine me going to work walking in with a battery and saying “can i charge this battery for my bike please” then taking my bike apart in the rain to get the battery out Think i’ll stick to petrol lol
As mentioned below the zero charger is many times this cost, in the market this is pretty fair. Agree however these chargers really don't need to cost this much.
You are charging a 22kg pack of Li-Ion 18650 cells chained together to reach 83 Volts. I would not want to charge that with a cheap charger. If this goes on fire, you better run. High quality components cost money, so I'd rather pay 280 for a charger than watch my bike or house burn down. 83 Volts at 10 Amp is 830 Watts of Output. While this low in EV terms, this is quite a bit more than you phone charger, which is 10W or about 35 for Super Quick USB C chargers. Even most laptop chargers go easily around the 100 are in both pricing and power output. All that considered, 280 is a fair price for a bike charger.
Although the 10A fast charger seems expensive, it does have some fairly sophisticated power management functions to help look after the Li-ion battery and not over-charge or over-heat the battery cells.
It may not be appreciated that heat can damage the cells if this is not mitigated against during spirited riding and it's one reason, as Spicy110 discovered on a Zero I think, that if you nail an electric bike for too long it is likely to go into limp mode to prevent the battery life being shortened. Best not admit to doing that in any warranty claim!
Quite a bit of research has been done on the chemistry of these batteries giving, for example, a medium/long-term maximum storage charge recommendation of typically 80%. Not 100% as you might think. Batteries should also be stored at reasonable (eg not say at >40C in the boot of your car in summer!) temperatures. Cold temperatures can also be problematic for optimum charging.
Here's a clip from an authority on lithium batteries for anyone interested.
th-cam.com/video/pxP0Cu00sZs/w-d-xo.html&feature=emb_logo
I thought I was doing something wrong taking the battery out but it was just the physical strength to pull it up… thanks for clarifying!!
Thanks for weighing it, spent a long time trying to find the weight of the battery.
They need to put an option for type 2 charging on that thing! It would sell like crazy.
I can't thank you enough for this. So clear and some great info gleaned.
Just watched all of your Super Soco videos in a row, and this one was my fav. Really informative! Thanks for sharing your experience with this. Have you tried an Energica yet??
Hoping to this year!
ıt s awesome to take battery out..great job both ur demonstration and the motor co.
Wow, that is really smart that it carries the charger with it!
My TC Max does not include the battery storage cover. Is it sold separately?
Thank you so much for these videos, you helped me decide on this bike and helped me compare. Keep up the great work
Such an awwesome usefull video
The buyers will get a really clear idead about how it will goes base on their conditions
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I am betting that the motor controller and motor are capable of doing regen but considering they had to pack that in such a tight package they weren't able to give the motor controller sufficient Cooling and had to disable region altogether I'm guessing that if you were able to add some cooling to the motor controller like a fan or two blowing air acrossed it and hook up and retune that that you could get the regen on that thing working you might not even need to go through all of those steps you might just need to go and you could probably program region stage 2 to the rear brake lever only and put it at something like five or 10% so that way you grab just a tiny bit of the rear brakes and you get some actual regenerative braking happening.
Thanks for the insight! What are the overall dimensions on the standard and fast chargers?
You should make a video on just the start-up and other sounds you get from this bike.
Is there any way to turn them off/use custom start0up sounds too?
2:15 - How did you power the screen/bike on without the bike's orange main power cable plugged in (as the black charging cable is plugged in)?
The guy who delievered my bike mustve slammed my battery compartment really hard cuz now i cant getbit to open i cant turn my key left to open it and i just literally got it as of this comment. Does anyone have any advice or tips to open it up?
Battery removal shot reminded me of many Poppins... way longer than I thought
I guess no alarm when battery out charging.
Is a larger tray part of supercharger price perhaps.
Should be a concession on buying super charger if bought with bike, some may not need 2 chargers and only want the supercharger.
I have suggested they would just sell the like with the fast charger. If you deduct the cost of the standard charger and add the difference to the price it will hardly be noticeable.
Dear Team of Super Socco,
Today i need to reach out to you because i need Support with my Super soco TC.
I have loaded the Batery full and stick it inside of my super soco. Lights went on and eletric worked well but the batery level was on 0%. I checkt if the battery was deloaded but it was not. Now iam looking for support what kind of issue my super soco has. Would be nice to help me, best Regards, alex
Hi! Can you do a video on how to remove the barends since i can’t seem to Get them off.
This video could be 3 mins long but anyway good work
What a cool bike
How much voltage and amps to the battery is
Can you tell what percentage it get to charge it?
"Bet you weren't expecting it to be that big were ya" 👍😅
Great video very helpful, am i right to say this has a rear hub mounted motor? as i thought the bike was belt drive .with the motor under the battery.
Yes it is a rear hub motor.
Good point re: no alarm if charging. Is there another "residual" battery to keep the electronics from resetting each time - or do you need to reset the clocks etc each time?
This bike has no time clock to reset, I assume the milage etc is saved on a none powered type of memory.
My first electric moped had a 2.4 kWh batteri that weighed 21 kg (LiFePO4), so the TC Max one is actually a lot lighter per kWh.
This is 3,2 kWh, so it's 33% more.
I turn power on once breaker is off to drain power from controller.
how does one fix a battery that has got 42 volts and is a 60 volt battery? And does one trickle charge it with say the satiator up to an ok voltage bypassing the bms?
I would ask the manufacturer, You do not want to bypass any BMS, you will have a really high chance of a fire.
cool story bro. It is true though if one charges the battery above its capacity or if there are no individual cell fuses (like in most ebike batteries) and one charges too fast. did it and it worked. all that happened was that the battery had been left uncharged too long. If someone out there knows how I should have proceeded I am all ears. I suspect I should have installed the bms software and monitored the cells or done it with a multimeter. Btw there are screws behind the stickers on the batttery case. a real iq test. spent an hour wondering why I could not open it. oh. and I hooked on the negative and positive terminal of the battery itself and used some alligator clips to connect it to my variable electric potential and current charger @@spicy110
No word of a lie, I said 20-25 Kilos half a second before Spicy did. Problem is: Arnie won't fit on this bike.
Can I do a 35 mile commute to work on motorway at full speed?
Very informative video , thank you ! I’d have to remove the battery twice a day to get to work and back, in the rain 🌧, and dark , all weathers . I don’t mind the hassle so much but not sure how reliable this would be with constant unplugging , lugging , charging and reconnecting .
Hey Spicy, is it possible to put two batteries in TC max?
thx for your great videos :) Do you know how fast it charges with the 10a to 60-80%? I just read that for a distance of 20-30km it doesnt even take an hour. Is there any information if the batteries would allow a faster charging then with 10 ampere?
Might be good for my 12 mile commute, just how it will cope with 6ft 2 and 19 stone on it :)
Shame the fast charger wont fit in the bike, seems like an oversight on their behalf, looks good though, very tempting
So awesome! do you know where can I find this FAST supercharger, and I am very curious about BMS that claims more mileage and longevity of the battery.
Great content BTW
Interesting I wonder what the battery size is on the Harley livewire I think that’s what it’s called
Ya gotta get one Spicy !
well designed bike my gripe is the indicator not being auto center and the mirrors.
You kinda get used to the indicators but yeah that needs to go in the next one.
Where can I buy the 10A charger?
Ask supersoco
Are the connectors different from the ones at service stations for electric cars/vans?
As far as I know unless they have standard plugs to plug your charger in no. Possibly because this bike can't charge at the speeds those "filling stations" do.
Hey!
Where did you get your 83V 10A charger?
I only got my 83V 5A Charger when i Bought it 1 year ago :(
This is a review bike Super Soco lent it to me.
I almost bought one of these but when i found out that a spare battery is almost the same cost of a bike it put me off as ideally i would love a spare i can just switch out when needed.
yes in all electric bikes the batt is around 1/3 the total cost.
Sir iam from India iam looking for a charger please send me the link to buy it
one question, how many days can the battery last?
Days 😂😂 funny
So no actual fast charging on the street, at charging points?
Not In bikes at this price level no, only stuff like zero has those sorts of chargers.
what is the capacity of the battery?
Honest guess: we know you're big and fairly strong, so it must be heavy for its size, given you quickly got a 2nd hand on it once it was out of the bike. Let's say 18 to 20kg.
Hi thanks by the video, you know the battery dimensions ? thanks!!
Sadly I don't, review bike so I can't check for you either.
Please do a niu one
Wouldn’t it be smart to have extra batteries on hand that you can leave at work and at home to make quick switches like this instead of waiting to charge?
Hi do you sell stickers ?
Lugging that into the office on a rainy Monday morning,F**k my life!
ORIGINAL FAST CHARGER IS SO EXPENSIVE AND IT STILL DOESN'T FIT THE BIKE???
CRAZY!!!
They seem to £99 that's not expensive for a fast, however I still think it should just be included in the bikes price as all will want it. The not fitting part is not really a surprise as it would require a redesign of the charger and thus make it cost more. They maybe waiting for the next bike models to sort that out.
I would find a way to charge it wrong
luckily the future still isn't (quite) on the end of a kettle plug.....
20kg ?
Close :)
21,7kg
Yeah i couldn’t imagine me going to work walking in with a battery and saying “can i charge this battery for my bike please” then taking my bike apart in the rain to get the battery out
Think i’ll stick to petrol lol
eeeh...a scooter that starts with a little Windows-like tune? - hhhmmm... So let's check what Harley-Davidson has been doing recently.
1st!
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charging at work could u get done for theft of elt ?
shame u cant use it wile charging :P
You'd need a reeaally long extension cord. Good luck reeling that thing back in when you're done.
17 kg
30kg
£280 for a charger lol
As mentioned below the zero charger is many times this cost, in the market this is pretty fair. Agree however these chargers really don't need to cost this much.
You are charging a 22kg pack of Li-Ion 18650 cells chained together to reach 83 Volts.
I would not want to charge that with a cheap charger. If this goes on fire, you better run. High quality components cost money, so I'd rather pay 280 for a charger than watch my bike or house burn down.
83 Volts at 10 Amp is 830 Watts of Output. While this low in EV terms, this is quite a bit more than you phone charger, which is 10W or about 35 for Super Quick USB C chargers.
Even most laptop chargers go easily around the 100 are in both pricing and power output.
All that considered, 280 is a fair price for a bike charger.
11.6 KG is my guess
I was very wrong
That side panel ‘opening’ really annoys me. I just need to stick a splined socket in there! Anybody as a mechanic gets my drift?
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Why is there minus votes here??!
Bonus, by 1 years mark, you would gain more arms 💪. Just make sure right arm remove and left put in the battery. 😅
CERCEZ FUME!!!!!!!