MUCH IMPROVED Could Apaches Win The 1940 Battle Of Dunkirk At Night? (WarGames 38b) | DCS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
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Today we re-do an old wargame where we used AH-64D Apaches to defend Dunkirk in 1940 from the German armor and troops surrounding it. Will the recent addition of the Fire Control Radar and radar-guided Hellfire missiles make a difference?
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Great idea. This is such a cool and original idea for a series on TH-cam
Thanks for making these. I’m going to be watching every single video. So interesting
Enjoy: th-cam.com/channels/ZuXjkFY00p1ga3UyCBbR2w.htmlplaylists?view=50&sort=dd&shelf_id=1
To master the Apache one must:
1- Scream "I am the Greatest!" over and over
2- Play Freebird
Sorta random but reminds me of a vid my dad took in Iraq of his lieutenant punching his nuts screaming “I am the ultimate warrior”
Fair comment.
It’s not random. It’s a reference to a movie about the Apache @@antoniochalking
@@joshuaanderson4090 read my comment lol
"Used to just do a Jeremy Clarkson"...🤣🤣🤣
At the end, there is a couple of minutes of black screen.
It’s there so that you can take some time and reflect on what you’ve just seen
Got that too. Thought it was just my crappy connection.
Caps screen seems to go black a few times
Sorry about that, it's my new vid editor, seems to do that sometimes. Luckily only seems to be at the end...
Yeah it's only at the end. After we see grumps cam
You need to change your acquisition source to FCR to see what the radar is targeting on your IHADs (you don't need George for that). That will also let you see if you are targeting something that has already been hit.
The benefit of using the transition or flight symbology on the IHADs is that you can simultaneously see your acquisition source and nav point. You also know your attitude no matter where you are facing. If the target cross is aligned with the horizon line you know you are trimmed for 90 knots. If the cross is below you know you are trimmed to move faster.
Thanks! Very much still learning this aircraft.
Would be interesting if the game had a rout mechanic so that at some point they will start trying to flee or surrender
Agreed
I'm glad you decided to do this one again!
I just got my Skywalker pedals, per GR suggestion, and now I feel a little inspired to jump in the Apache! (The pedals are outstanding, btw.)
Cool!
This is the result I would expect when modern hardware is used against WWII units.
I have often wondered what the outcome would be if A-10s were used instead of the Spitfire and Hurricanes to intercept Luftwaffe bombing raids during the BOB in 1940.
They've actually done a couple of videos on that. Definitely worth watching!
1st. Thank you for doing a video of how the modern US military would have conducted an anti-tank operation. I know, since I had (and I'm sure many others also have) made the point that the modern US would have used the night to their advantage, even though I recognize that it doesn't make for great videos. Thanks again. 2nd, this is exactly what, in 1991, the Iraqis went through after the coalition achieved air supremacy. This had to very terrifying for the Iraqis.
All that's missing from the scenario is the Germans panic firing into the air.
Can you do a scenario where the Soviets have crossed the line in a tank rush and are quickly moving on a city whose defenders desperately need all the time you can buy them before the soviet armored columns reach the city. Your Apache/A-10 unit is all that's available to try to stem the tide as all other air assets are tied up fighting the war in the air. Soviet column consist of tanks, BTR/BMP's, transport trucks, and whatever mobile anti-air assets the Soviets would use in convoy defense. No static missile defense systems as the Soviets have advanced beyond that umbrella.
Will try.
This was honestly such a cool mission and I loved the beginning of it with all the Apache’s lined up taking off.
That impromptu "that don't impress me much" was fun!
15:27 Grumpnik slaying it!! This was a fun one to watch. Damn fine flying as always Grim Reapers!!
19:17 Super Cap putting a hurt on them as well!! This mission really shows what a game changer that little piece of tech in the same airframe can do!! Brilliant follow up video!!
31:07 Get some!!
Can't believe he torques so much!!
lol
I flew Apache's during Dunkirk and also at the Battle of the Somme. Impressive bit of kit.
Dude I love the night mission. Maybe one day when you have time a ww2 naval battle at night would be awesome.
Could Apaches stop the Roman invasion of Britain?
But they gave us such wonderful roads??
@@grimreapers 😂
You could make a cool hide and go-seek game with a bunch of players as infantry, and with Apaches set to go hunt them at night, last man standing wins
+GrimReapersAtomic *The scenario could just as easily play out with USMarCor / Bell Helicopter Textron AH-1 Zulus and Ling Temco Vought A-7 Golfs.* The A-7 was engineered for yesterday's steam, and today's electromagnetic, catapults; and could take the General Electric F412, a turbofan intended for the cancelled McDonnellDouglas XA-12 Alfa low-observable attacker. The rear guard action at Dunquerque (Brittanie, FRA) was a compressor in 1940.
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*THAT DON'T IMPRESS ME MUCH / 1990's Country-Rock Hits*
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How much fun would this night mission be using AC 130s? Things that make one go hmmmmm...🤔🤣
"how can a ww2 tank fire at me?"
While flying an Apache...
More a reference to it being pitch black and their, somehow, flawless aim without radar or night vision
@@joshuaanderson4090 I know. I was just pointing out the irony of it all.
If I go to the Stoneburner training server, will I be able to practice accidentally selecting the incorrect unit? Or is that a Cap-only skill?
It's just something I specialize in but you can learn it on SB.
Another epic "what if" scenario in the books. Can't wait for the next one! Perhaps when the Phantom gets released (IF it gets released) that will inspire another round of "what if" missions. Good times.
Good Job Team GR!!!
If anyone ever pays attention to wags, he did a video on FCR zones and how you can mark targets killed share them with the team so as not to repeat hit a dead tank. Also, I was wondering why you were still on hover symbology. When flying, and especially at night I like flight symbology during flight (in VR) because spacial disorientation is a real concern since there's little reference areas.
The helicopter may be the best platform ever designed at punching down. That is, destroying lower tech things that can't credibly shoot back. Makes sense they do well in this kind of mission.
The German forces: "There are banshee in France!!!"
The flight path marker is handy for the HUD. I always switch to that after takeoff.
Crazy Cap keep up the good work my friend 😁👍🇨🇦
What's the British version of 'Murica'? Is it 'Brit'un'?
Bri'un!!! 😂
'Oh god, don't shoot any Apaches' - and just by saying that, you jinxed it :)
So what I learnt years ago still stands, if an Apache is hunting you just run very fast. 🤔
Ive been subscribed since at least when😳😳😳 sheesh time flys
True that
This is the dcs equivalent of taking a machine gun to the stone age.
So if the Tanks aren’t moving, how does the Radar pick them up, because due to the ground clutter wouldn’t the radar have to be Pulse-Doppler, which only detects moving targets?
Millimetre wave radar has a short enough wavelength to discriminate and classify battlefield targets such as tanks and APCs. Doppler beam sharpening (the reason why the radar Hellfires fly off-bore initially) improves it further.
really nice vid :) You don't happen to have a link to the mission file on your discord? ;)
Message me and I'll send it.
It would be great if you could explain the targeting system on these i couldn't tell how you were locking on or where on the hud it showed the baddies?
Keep watching the channel for more apache tutorials
Too complex to explain during missions, hence: th-cam.com/play/PL3kOAM2N1YJcOqSM_QRXo8LQYzEwMRWf2.html
It's a neat idea, but we don't get to see all the different angles, flybys, missiles, tracers and carnage. Cheers.
What are your collective/throttle curve for the apache. Using x52 pro and warthog on a different PC and hitting over torque with the slightest increase.
Cant speak for X56, i run a Warthog throttle and run no curves, but increase the friction when flying helo, also just filed my Afterburner stop to be push through, in the apache, it "bumps" the stop at about 73% torque when on take off, then push through if ya need more. for what its worth.
I;m not using any curve.
I still like Apache Longbow, my friend.
what about using modern day tanks for the allies?
I'm not having any trouble taking off in the mission section of the P-47D. I'm having trouble getting off the ground in the Wolfpack campaign. I have tried 50 times and crash every time. I can't figure out what I am doing wrong. Is it a different type of plane? I know the throttle is different looking.
It could be a cross wind causing issues, check the mission brief to see if there’s wind.
@@Fatallydisorganized I have tried to take off both directions. I'll check it. All I am carrying is a paper fuel tank in the center rail and no bombs. I am getting frustrated with it. I either blow up the engine or I crash it.
@@t.r.4496 Is it always pulling to one side? If it is it might be that your rpm is too high for take off. I would try to see if using a lower throttle setting and using more of the runway to take off.
Yes it pulls to the left, I thought maybe the propeller rpm was to high causing the plane to pull, but lowering it I don't have enough runway to utilize. It's a short takeoff on a grass runway. I'll try it and let you know in a little bit.
Those were not the Apaches I was looking for.
How could triple a fire on apaches at night? See Battle of Karbala Gap, 2003.
Wonder how this might of went if you used the Huey UH-1, might be a bit harder with no Mavs
You guys should do a cold war era wargame with russia vs US with the f-5s and Migs would be a fun watch (P.S. You should invite me to fly an F-5 😜)
man pads...as bad for whirly birds as for A10.
just started, your gonna destroy them np.
Today it's night! 🤔
Any chance you can re run this in daylight.
What is the loadout for the choppas
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Cool look but I just prefer daytime missions
Same
Realism? Milsim from GR??!!
You can watch the previous video, a whole bunch of realism and milsim there
Were your nav lights on Cap? DCS likes to even the score with AA.
I wouldn't put it past me to leave lights on.
the tanks wouldn't be moving at night anyway.....only a few German tanks had night vision to see in the dark with (very early Night Vision) so they would be parked up, the Germans did have night vision by 1939 as they started researching it in 1936
Could apaches have stopped the axis forces invading france in the earlier stages of ww2?
Murica.
Umm, it was the BEF not Allied forces that were at Dunkirk.
There also were French forces - thus allied.
@@SlavicCelery Thanks for the update - I stand corrected! Also, there were Belgian troops.
@@johncrichton4341 It's all good. Countries have a way of emphasizing their own contributions. You ask an American about D-Day and it sounds like a solo affair.
You ask Mark Felton about the battle of the Bulge and he'll make it sound like the Brits single handedly held back the Germans.
Panzer 4 Capt ? Tad early me old fruit.
There is no other choice in DCS, except half-tracks.
Yeh best I could do.
Nothing worse than a laggy chopper
I just don't get it . . . whats the point ???
What's the point of playing Football? Or skiing downhill and riding a lift to do it over and over again?
Free falastain
of course the biggest success associated with Dunkirk is the British somehow managing to spin doctoring running away it into some sort of success.
But also directly afterwards turning around, pointing their fingers at the French (with no convenient escape Island nearby) and start blaming them for surrendering.
I have no strong opinion on France but i found that british habit, in this historical context, always extremely nasty.
Ehh. Radar has its benefits. So does flir and laser. Personally, flor is better. In all conditions and situations as you can’t jam or spoof it. Not stealth will help you. Slower and more cumbersome at times. Yes, can’t be fooled though. If DCS was actually like the real systems. You’d have a completely different opinion, as any true peer nation would render your radar useless in a heart beat. And you got ko other way to find and target. 5)/UK and others opinion is only formed off of fighting under the US umbrella/protection. They couldn’t even defend themselves these we abandoned then. Sad state. Meanwhile we can take on the entire world and win, of needed. Sure will be rough. But we can.
You say it’d be a challenge…but would it really be tho? I mean…there’s only 2 countries with semi-equivalent military power in our hemisphere, and even then we dwarf them militarily. We could steamroll the western hemisphere, and then anyone else has to cross an entire ocean to get to us, and seeing as we have the largest navy in the world in terms of raw tonnage, plus the 1st, 2nd, and 7th largest active air forces in the world…good luck getting anywhere near us.
@@blademaster2390 it would be, to an extent, even the ones far less capable over all, could play hell in localized areas/part of a theater of operations by heavy jamming and chaff/ just putting up big sheet metal panels, it wouldn’t work more than short term, but for a time, could render some systems practically useless/slow down their use and make them cumbersome to use, maybe long enough to knock some of them down. Also depends on much the radar has advanced, I’m guessing a lot, since I knew about it last, with minimal knowledge of the systems in particular at the time. Also it’d be rough, cause the world economy would crash, we’d all be in a great depression again if that happened, and there’d be a huge amount of shortages for us until we actually started making most things again, like we used too. We’d have to really step up mass scale mining and logging again, overfish every body of water to help feed ourselves in the short term, as we preserved every bit of food that we could, then make all of our electronics again, just so we could make modern factories capable of sustaining ourselves, let alone in a total world war again, then we could actually start to make the modern systems we’d need as replacements for parts/whole platforms, and weapons. Also replace the satellites that we’d lose, as Russia and China have systems that can knock down satellites, now, how many? No idea, but probably very limited in Russias case, and semi limited in China’s both have tested ones, successfully, so have we, and ours are better and cheaper to launch/use, as F-15’s can do it, when in a full burn, ballistic climb. Plus our ships can also. Of course the areas closest to the fighting and our guys there and assets there would likely get hammered hard, before we pulled them out, or they won the local fight, only to go into theater wide operations, and get put into the meat grinder that the enemies would have to send to us, to have any hope of winning locally. Plus we gotta limit how much our aircraft fly, how long our ships at sea, and how hard they pushed, all those systems are surprisingly delicate for what they are and how good they are, they need constant maintenance and inspections/lots of major repairs, and the harder you run them, the more they need, or else they just break, or start losing mission capability.
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There's only two things you need to know: 1) The ones that run are VC. 2) The ones that _don't_ run are well-trained VC.
This is a very confusing video. The drunken rockets seem to just shoot randomly into the sky, spiraling at random. The NVD effect doesn't help the video. I can't keep track. Kinda dumb and uninformative.
There's a reason why the radar Hellfires fly off-bore after launch.