Could A Flight Of B-1b's Deliver More Bombs Than An Entire WWII Raid? (WarGames 202) | DCS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- Modern bombers can carry nearly ten times as many bombs as their World War 2 counterparts. Today we run two raids, side by side. The first will be 64 x B-17 WWII bombers carrying 768 x 500lbs bombs. The second will be a modern raid of just 8 x B-1b bombers carrying the same 768 x 500lbs bombs.
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Could a modern United States, strike carrier group fend off a large kamikaze attack from World War III?
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There’s gonna be kamikazes in WW3 too?
The real question is whether a single B-1 armed with JDAMs could do more damage on target than any WWII raid---I'm pretty sure it could.
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@@Hebdomad7 I'd like to see the Minor Scale explosion unitized into a carriable weapon, and a B-52 loaded with those.
There was a test with a B-2 using JDAMs in which they tested if they could make an entire airbase inoperable with 1 B-2 carrying 80 JDAMs. To say the least it was successful. If cap is reading this I would be cool to see this replicated in DCS.
I reckon there's a good chance a single JDAM could do more damage on target than most WWII raids with any target smaller than "city"
@@dip_n_swag8445 Yes, this was a demo with inert bombs on a replica air field. It really is impressive. th-cam.com/video/KdzJWciha4A/w-d-xo.html
I think it would be a win on targets hit as long as you allow that a GPS system is in place.
Otherwise, I think you would need laser guided Paveways and a lot of effort going into targeting.
Oops, this is a thing GBU-54 LaserJDAM (using rotary launcher mounted multiple ejector racks)
Fun fact. A b17 can take up to 7800kg of bombs, but realistically only 4000kg with any type of range.
A F35 5th gen fighter can take 8160kg of munition. and still have more range than B17 have with minimum bomb load.
Its kinda insane the difference in power a jet engine can make honestly.
@@Hurricayne92
Yea.. this fact is even funnier.
MTOW of B17 is 29.7ton, for F35 its 31.8ton.
Ironically, despite the F35 have considerably shorter wing at 10.7 meters to the 31.6 meter of the B17. Despite that F35 still have more efficient lift to drag than the B17, for the simple reason it fly so much faster.
f-35 just got one more cool point from me after hearing this. it's almost cool now
@@matsv201 ill give it one more cool point for a total of cool jet now. nice facts
@@ueehurstonsecurity8887The F-16 could, in theory and practice fly without wings (like a rocket), one lost a whole wing and still managed to get home and land safely! 😮 The pilot said that she didn't even know until someone told her that the wing was gone! She thought it was just the tip! 😂
Me : "Hey! They're all going to land successfully."
Poosh and Simba : "Hold my beer....."
Dark and Grump : "LOL, Hold my 12 pack."
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I think its absolutely staggering that an F16 has the same bomb load capacity of a B17!! holy shit!
Well its smaller and dont have to lug around 10 dudes and 15 m2s with ammo and thousands of gallons of fuel
Answer to the flak accuracy question. You had to fire about 3,000 shells for every aircraft shot down, so one lost in 600 shells is actually quite accurate.
Truly, I read that the figure could be as high as 10-20 thousand shells without VT shells.
@@adamtruong1759 Yep, depends which historians you read. Some say it was a 0.03% chance with one shell, and I've heard others say it was as many as 18,000 shells per aircraft. Either way, 600 per aircraft if actually quite a heavy loss. 🙂
Depends on the shells. Germans got way way higher hit-rates when they simply swapped to impact-fuzed shells and aimed for the individual planes rather than barrage firing.
@@ThatZenoGuy That maybe more down to the radar guided guns than the shells.
@@MarkloopRAF
A combination of both, again they moved from airburst shells to impact-fuzed.
Later on a dual-action impact+time fuze was made, which was apparently very successful.
Also there was incendiary shrapnell rounds that were about 3x as effective as normal flak rounds.
From a really interesting YT video on Flak Towers (paraphrased): "Yet the successes of Flak were quite expensive. According to statistics from the Luftwaffe Quartermaster General, it took 16K shots of ammunition from an 8.8cm Flak 36 for an aircraft kill; 8.5K shots from the 8.8cm Flak 41; 6K shots from the 10.5cm Flak 39; and 3K shots from the 12.8cm Flak 40."
That's amazing!
@@grimreapers If you're interested in the source that the video was quoting for those numbers, see below. I'm assuming that the book has internal citations for the numbers, but I'm not paying $80 to dig that deep. :)
DE: "Die Illusion der Wunderwaffen: Die Rolle der Düsenflugzeuge und Flugabwehrraketen in der Rüstungspolitik des Dritten Reiches"
EN: "The illusion of miracle weapons: The role of jet aircraft and anti-aircraft missiles in the arms industry of the Third Reich"
Author: Ralf Schabel, München
Publisher: De Gruyter Oldenbourg; 1st edition (9 Feb. 1994)
@@grimreapers Okay, I found Schabel's work at ebin pub. The cite is listed below (Google-fu FTW!).
As an aside, it turns out that Word did a decent job translating Schabel's work & it's proving to be a fascinating read. I had no idea that by late 1944, Hitler had ordered the Luftwaffe to abandon aircraft production & focus on tripling their AAA capability. Then there's the "Flakraketen" to consider. Yikes.
Page 211
Boog, Horst.
Die Deutsche Luftwaffenführung, 1939-1945: Führungsprobleme, Spitzengliederung, Generalstabsausbildung.
Beiträge zur Militär- und Kriegsgeschichte. Stuttgart:
Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt, 1982.
Just think about the percent increase in efficiency from using a flak to using a gepard... Those Germans really took optimization seriously 😱
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Absolutely!!!!
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Milsim is our middle name.
Thanks for the cursor thingy. It's really just in briefings when you do the "here, here and here" but (yeah, some of us watch the briefings!).
Btw, how about reenacting The Shepherd?
Awww. I was hoping I'd get the opportunity to make another bad joke about missiles filled with water... Ah well.
I always liked the B-1. It's a graceful looking bird. Nice to see you guys flying them so often.
Thank you Cap for the show! I love the B-1! 😊 You all fly like your lives depend on it which is why I subscribed! 😂 I will never be able to play this but watching you and your group gives me my flying fix without me doing anything! 👍😎
Ah Manston. RAF Manston, the most bombed RAF base in the country. I live not far from there. I was in the ATC (Air Training Corps) which had our Squadron there.
Here is a mission for ya. Battle of Khe Sanh. The Battle of Khe Sanh (21 January - 9 July 1968) was conducted in the Khe Sanh area of northwestern Quảng Trị Province, Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) Resupply of the US Marines at the fire base. I can get more information on it you are interested.
My high school assistant principal fought in that battle. He shared a lot of stories with us but said there's a lot he'll never even share with his family. That was a man every single one of us honestly respected after he told us about it.
Definitely, they are interested! 😂
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Love the larger cursor makes it easy to follow your map moves on phones
Another great video. Stumbled on this channel about something I didn't know I cared about, now I'm obsessed. PC build, tutorials watched, keep it up please.
Good day, Cap and crew!
The absolute size of an F-15 when you put it up near a B-17 is just hilarious.
The B-1's look so cool. What an amazing plane.
Funny one at the end. The wait was worth it.
Great video, guys...👍
Thanks for the videos, great entertaiment
Loved grump ejection 😂🎉 "wuuaaaaargh" 🤣
could you recreate the drone boat sinking the Ivanovets?
Just to point out, the B-1B can carry JDAMs as well, If DCS supports them, load up a bunch of 500lb JDAMs and pre-program them. Then all you have to do is just drop them in the general direction within range.
It'd be cool to see a mission/video on the evolution of the Fortress family of planes. B17, B29 and then B52 (and then B52, then B52.... hes been around a while...)
Flying, Super & Strato (BUFF).
DCS has the best simulation when it comes to landing.
Great Fun!
04:06 when Simba know what cap is going to say before he says it, when are Cap and simba getting married? Caps F15 was doing a pretty nice drift at the end there.
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13:50. The flak guns are modelled pretty well but the AI bombers dont follow the complicated flak dodging they would follow.
Basically the AAA is always outperforming the b17s vs where theyd more likely be in history
Escort fighters would setup a weave over the top of the bomber formations. Speed is king!
Fun!
You are missing the most important point: accuracy.
It is generally acknowledged that WW2 bombs hit their intended localized targets less than ONE PERCENT of the time.
B-1 B will hit its intended target at least 50% of the time with guided munitions. Hence, each guided bomb carried by a B-1B will be, on average, FIFTY TIMES MORE EFFECTIVE than an unguided WW2 bomb.
As a cell phone viewer, I do appreciate the large mouse cursor.
Keep up the great work!
Kinda amazing that a single fighter-bomber can carry as much ordnance as a B-17
Not gonna lie, that was pretty glorious a thing to watch that B1R dancing through the trees...
That would be epic to have ME-262s attack the bomber formation, only to get jumped by F-15s.
Do B-17 engines automatically sync or does and engineer have to do so manually. Always wondered that. Like any twin engined boat out-of-sync engines can drive one nuts.
Well done boys!
It took until 15:30 until "things went weird". I'd call that pretty damn good for a DR mission.
Agreed
The one thing is time on target and bombs on target. A lot of bombs missed there target during the second world war.
I confirm twice. Leaving money at machine. Phone bank and they normally know and gave me it back very soon after a few minutes.
I set up these large scale missions for my own "what if" scenarios and the AI will do some very wonky shit. All the sudden three bombers will collide and explode. Some will just abort and RTB for no reason. I will check on the ground troops and an entire squad of tanks will be sitting in the bottom of a lake. Not dead, just glitched out. Infantry will walk up to a building and stand with their nose on the wall, their enemy is 10 feet away doing the same thing. All they have to do is walk around but they won't. Ships will fire Tomahawk's and the missiles will go about 30 miles then turn. Who knows where they will end up. Some will actually return to the area they were fired from. And on and on. It's actually quite comical, but frustrating for a mission creator. I feel your pain Cap. (and all who spend hours making missions)
Flak often needed 2-3,000 rounds to down a bomber
You need to ring the bank cap, if the misses did forget some thing in the atm or usually sucks it back in. If someone did nic it they'll be on camera. Good on ya mate.
Who had the fire/rescue skin on their Hornet? That was pretty slick looking.
All these simulations make me want to see a movie where the modern US finds itself back in WW2 and just proceeds to crush both the European and Pacific fronts singlehandedly.
Hey Cap can you make a mission with AGM Hellfire but the Hellfire is the one that shoot out flying ginsu. Yep, the infamous "Ninja Bomb"
They're right about the ATM. Usually after about 60 seconds of someone pulling out their card from the ATM, the cash will get pulled back in by the machine. I think it's then treated as a deposit so you'll need to wait a bit for it to hit your account again
What about the sub pens in France?
In light of the fact that the F-111 isn't an asset in DCS, I would like to see this mission in Su-24s with escorts. 😂
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interesting that F15 can also take 12 500lbs bombs, but also 3 2000lbs ones on top of that
The Quartermaster General of the Air Force calculated a consumption of 16,000 rounds with the “8.8cm Flak 36” and 8,500 rounds with the “8.8cm Flak 41” for the downing of a four-engine bomber. The 10.5 cm Flak 38 required an average of 6,000 rounds and the heavy 12.8 cm Flak 40 3,000 rounds.
That means: To get a B-17 down you must shoot up 86,7 tons
Thanks
@@grimreapers We all know that AAA is far too accurate in DCS, but then again, it is a sim.
The Flak was only firing at a small segment of the formation.
Re. The flack being kind of not as effective as thought.....it's actually more effective then the historical. German studies indicated they spent 8000 rounds on average to bring down one bomber early war and that dropped to 2 or 3 thousand late in the war with Radar ect added. Think all the Flak in WW2 DCS is tracking Ala Radar guided flak. German strategy called for large box barrages from alot of unguided batteries put up along with smaller flak batteries using Radar guidance to pick out individual AC. The Luftwaffe used to put up fighters and even some captured B-17s to fly near the formation to radio information down to both fighter intercept and flak units about height, speed and direction of the bomber formations.
Cap: How do you feel about landing a B1 on a WWII runway?
Camera: pans to flaming wreckage on runway
Me: launches half a mouthful of coffee while choking on the other half
Thanks, guys! 😂👍
(later) Cap: Don't let that affect your morale, Grump
Me: Mentally pledges to not drink during Reaper videos, while physically making drowning rat sounds
I always go down the side and up the rear
Uuuuuuhmazing
was everything after 16:00 just bonus content??? i'm confused but pleased hahaha
Sure was.
It's not exactly what I suggested... but it's good to see, anyway. Thank-you.
What PC do you use?
Did Not save tht frame!!!1 LOL NOICE vid CAP! 😉WOW
@Cap RE the ATM cash conundrum, so long as it wasn't removed from the machine it will be taken back in and you'll be reimbursed in around 7 days
Thanks!
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Why is the grass neon green?
miss a good Sunday funday full of laughs video
Sorry cap. but i dont see the point of this. of course B-1's can drop a lot of bombs from medium altitude in the 1940's - facing basically no opposition. might have been more interesting with a couple of B-1s having to go to Berlin, and face off Me-262s along the way.
If only someone had told me about a server where I could improve my piloting skills. Alas there were none. I crashed.
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Cap blonde moments do happen… but that when you cut her allowance :) and by more gear for dcs
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Can someone please explain why Dark sounds like a bullfrog?
No GPS signal in 1944. So... How does that work?
probably a boring request but mayb do a mission inspired by the Masters of the air TV show on now
Are any of the reapers former fighter pilots?
Can we try to recreate the F15 shootdown of a helicopter with a bomb and then could we change it up where the A6M zero is the target and not a helicopter.
Yo Cap Please fly P-80's intercepting Ju88's with 4 flights of escorts-- Fw190 Doras, Bf109G's, Fw190 Antons, and Bf109 K-4's!🙏
Closest I have is F-84
@@grimreapers lol but I've seen you guys using The F-80... we've talked about this in the past... You even said you'd do it :(
@@grimreapers sorry, not trying to come across any kind of way. Just very confused and tbh a lil disappointed considering how long I've been askin for this and you agreeing with it. In the past*
Did you guys at GR get the Email I sent you 😅 Someone had a Genie...yes that Genie in a garage lol
I'll check tonight :)
Can WW1 planes protect Blighty from 30,000 of the great unwashed invading the coast in Zodiacs?
Left money in machine? lol. Sounds like my wife.
50 years of B-1 in 2024
In future u should accompany your wife to the cash machine lol
hilarious!
Why didn't you all just take off 30 minutes later?
I apprecieated the cost to taxpayers ticker. Looks like I'm going to have to work some OT to pay for this raid..... ;)
The B-1s caused 10x more damage than the B-17s.
Yikes Capt you sure got baby brain this video
Yes it's getting worse.
Just for future reference. Its spelt West Malling but its pronounced West Morling. 👍
the trick in following is to or0bit 2 miles out. degree bank your call.
Scoreboard can display unguided bombs just fine but DCS does not distinguish between dropped and jettisoned bombs, which ruins the meaning of the number in most scenarios. That behavior is unique to dumb bombs, no other type of weapon in game does that. ED needs to start making use of the jettison event finally. It has been lurking in the definitions for a while now but very few / no weapons support it.
How can I join this squadron?
They have a training server named Stoneburner. I guess go there and get yourself known to some of the boys.
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Should over took off later. Jet vs propeller............
Hey cap i did the same thing by leaving the cash point before i took the cash and contacted my bank, told them witch cash point and they reimbursed me 3 weeks later! lol i still have no clue why i just walked away
thx
Your wife bought something that she did not want you to know about.
YET more shoes?
Rofl landings
ROFL landings
Let’s go first🎉🎉🎉
Cap… Make sure you save the atm receipt
Lol fugazi means fake
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Boogazey best... azey?
Once again, y'all go dropping bombs and don't use any A-6s. Shame, shame, shame.
never throw your wife under the bus, its childish.