AutoVlog -Troubleshooting and diagnosing his VMP Gen3 supercharged F-150
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- AutoVlog's VMP Gen3 supercharged 2015 F-150 is back at VMP after having some recent issues. In this first episode, of several videos, we take a look at AutoVlog's truck and diagnose the problem with an engine tear down.
Watch along to see what happened to AutoVlog's truck and what the fix is.
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I didnt think the 2015 had the coyote engine?
Get real in-depth, i love these videos!
@@ryandohrwardt1258 since 2011 they had the Coyote engine
AutoVlog's next video: My new engine got built too well! - Transmission damage?!?
My thoughts exactly. New engine, 800 horses on an old stock Tranny well the U joints may have something to say also.
Damn if the F150 is anything like the Fusion, Fiesta, Focus, and Taurus the transmission is junk lol
Jon NO
Martin Niemiec NO 🙄
@@jon8843 Those trucks have a reliable transmission but i don't know how long it will last with 800 hp. It wasn't built for that.
Well this is a lot of damage from just a trip back from Florida and a few pulls.Good thing AutoVlog has deep Ferrari money pockets.
No joke. Im sure all this publicity will generate plenty of youtube money to pay for this fix.
Plus 50k miles put on the truck previous to the TVS.
MyBackHurtz1 Yeah, that 5000mi trip back from Florida was a killer.
Really impressive mechanics doing their thing here. To know how to completely strip a block around all the damn electrics and plastic crap that covers and restricts access deserves respect. No bones unturned here. This engine will be badass once pieced back together. It may well give Autovlogs F12 a run pushing 800whp!!!! Wow
We agree, our techs/mechanics rock!
I like the fact u guys don't hide that something went wrong!
Cat killed the Coyote.
I use to be a custom exhaust pipe bender for 15 years, and I'm shocked that no one thought it might be a cat problem. That would have been my first guess.
Why would you think that, codes said differently even a compression tea would have pointed to a timing issue. Maybe a peak in the cylinders would have been a good idea but come on that would never be your first go to
Your right man.....fundamental, more air in, more air out.
It is safe to say that for future upgrades when installing a Supercharger. is to suggest that the customer upgrade to high flow cats at the very least to prevent this from happening. maybe even include that in the install package. as I would pay a little more for the peace of mind for this type of failure. as the extra cost of the cat would for sure be cheaper than a whole new long block or tear down and rebuild. Great video. looking forward to more.
This is why when I added power to my GT500, I hollowed out the cats. When I did the clutch swap, I noticed the xpipe and when I looked down past the cats, I saw nothing. Took to digging and the left side was already falling apart. Took a while but doing that probably saved me a world of hurt. BTW VMP did a great job tuning Roxxy. I hope the person who has her now is enjoying her as much as I did.
...you needs some headers and a high flow catless catback so your engine can breath. Some LTs and catless mids with an Corsa catback is ideal.
he has a borla ATAK cat back
@@yunuskhan7752 lose the cats
Great opportunity for some cams!
Great video! I've been waiting for an update since I watch both VMP channel and Mike's Autovlog channel
Thanks for following along!
So the moral of the story is... sawzall the catalytic converters off immediately, and toss them through the local EPA office window. Will do
Can’t wait for the black beast to roar again mike will be so excited keep up the good work vmp performance
So, the root cause is "what caused the CAT to break in the first place?" Will it break again or what is done to make sure it don't? Not an engine guy, but I like learning how things work. Great video as well, love it!
How do you screw up a perfectly good truck ? Modify it !
Let Mike drive it for 2 days, you'll see how fast he can screw up something new. All he does is beat on his shit then he wonders what went wrong! It's simple.
It is his tho, so to each his own.
You guys at vmp are awesome! Can't wait to see it all done. Mike's gonna love the upgrades.
Thanks! We will be sure to post updates. 😁
AutoVlog has a name! Mike
Yes. Yes, he does.
Mike has a TH-cam name, Autovlog. He ain't makin any money using "Mike."
So besides the engine rebuild, exhaust upgrade also in the works. Is the transmission safe? 700 hp needs strong pieces to work. 🙏
Is there a 2nd video update yet? This 1st video was very well explained and love to see the progress.. 👍
Modifying vehicles basically makes them vulnerable to issues. As a youtuber Mike probably earns money from his cars having issues he gets more content.
When you have a driver that knows nothing about machinery just hammering an engine the way Mike does, this is what happens. Just like blasting through deep water in an AMG with very low air intakes. Soon we will see a Ferrari engine teardown.
His Dual Clutch Transmission will shit itself first.
And he will make money off of it
I feel like it should be pretty understandable for a driver to do that. I thought being a mechanic engineering expert is long being removed from the prerequisite list for being 'qualified as a driver'. Like decades long. Even for supercars, or otherwise what they charge an extra for? More liability? MORE efforts needed? NOT LESS CHANCES OF TROUBLES AND MORE UTILITY?
Honestly never seen so many problems with so many newer cars trucks like his channel has. In such short amount of time.
@@davidfreeman3083 You're 100% right, there is a ton of stupid people nowadays who don't know how to take care of things and use excuses like not majoring in such things as a means to justify their stupidity. I for one love the the average driver who doesn't know shit, they put food on my table when they don't take care of their vehicles because they don't have a mechanical engineering degree.
Wow ! A bit nerdy, but my oh my. Great breakdown and interesting to see it was the cat and pressure . Good tear down and look at the piston rings. I'd never do anything that that myself , but so great to watch you guys . Way you go vmp.
The old shotgun approach
I had a buddy blow his stock motor on 2013 Coyote with a vortech supercharger at the track. Right before it blew he registered almost 20 psi on what should have only been 7-8 psi setup. When he took it apart he found that both CATS had melted and clogged the exhaust system.
why not just use catless exhaust then? I mean autovlog made stupid mods to exhausts before only for the sound, why don't make one that actually makes sense?
@@extracoolboy A lot of people just don't know, and some people (like my friend) want to stay smog legal.
@@ehsanzolfaghari8507 if you wanna stay smog legal probably should not add a blower. I am aware it can probably be done somewhat safeish with high flow cats but when pushing that much power generally cats are best ditched. That is my .02. My bolt on 07 gt500 is catless already so when i slap on a tvs ill be good to go....one less issue to worry about.
Great video, can’t wait for part two.
Did you leave the phasers set to stun when you did the upgrade?
Your work is excellent
Awesome video. Very informative. It really makes me appreciate the process of diagnosing car problems.
Bored with Ford ... Come to Mopar Country . 🐏. Great job gentlemen !! Clearly you stand behind your product . 👍
Very interesting. I had my cats get clogged after running a Vortech charger on my 11 Mustang. I replaced with 'race' cats that were smaller and a bit further down stream from the exhaust manifold. They worked great and didn't cause any problems with state inspection. Maybe some EGT gauges are a good idea to keep an eye on that?
On the next update - Transmission blows up!
Can wait for part 2😉 good job vmp👍
Hey no disrespect isn’t this a problem you guys caused
how is it a problem they caused? if you but a blower on your car you should be catless
More are in equals more air out. It's either they didn't know that or they planned Mike's return to skyrocket their channel😛😛
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Mike breaks his sh*t on purpose just for views. Dude has had more issues with vehicles in ONE YEAR than my entire family has had in the last 20 years......literally.
Just curious, was it ever suggested to Mr. AutoVlog during the supercharger installation that it is recommended to delete or upgrade the catalytic converters to reduce the exhaust back-pressure?
I wonder why the Vmp professionals didn't answer this one! 😁
Good thing they didn’t. Have you seen the EPA crackdown on the aftermarket?
So would you do this for any customer? Or is it because it's a famous youtuber? Or did he have a warranty?
I can almost guarantee it's because he's a famous youtuber, it would be bad for business for them to not to fix it. Of course they would probably never say that and just say that his was warrantied. 500k subscribers and able to pretty easily make a viral slam video is a good warranty to have nowadays it honestly wouldn't even have to be a slam video just posting the videos of the vmp supercharger and the truck having problems that was fine before it would be enough to turn future customer away so this was just damage control from vmp.
Military Videos Tube he did it to save face. Looks pretty bad when thousands of people know the truck is a piece of shit
I doubt it..Autovlog is a straight shooter. He called..Justin said send it and he did..nothing nefarious.. Justin has to many kids to play games..
I think it was under a warranty, thousands of dollars spend in engine modifications and no warranty? That sounds ridiculous to me so I bet it was under warranty
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Cool video! Sucks this happened but I know y'all will get it fixed!
Damn cats, That's why I'm a dog person
😂🤣🐾
Super Slacker Coyotes are dogs lol
Poor engineering when newly supercharged engine used on old exhaust, transmission and drivetrain....
2012 F150 cats failed. Luckily was able to do it under warranty. Ford may want to rethink there cats.
Recommendation: when supercharging your engine do a CAT delete ...?
Subbed! You guys did a great job on the vid , I’m glad you figured it out ! Them damn cats !
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VERY unusual VMP didn't STRONGLY suggest high flow cats or headers with/without cats during the Whipple installation! If anyone ever looked at the stock "y pipe" and cats you would wonder how anything flows through them! I had 5 Star Tuning do a Roush on my 2018 F-150 and they insisted I install at least a set of SPD high flow cats/"Y" pipe or headers with high flow cats due to the high failure rate of stock cats after supercharging. Both VMP and 5 Star Tuning are some of the best in the business so it is unusual VMP didn't also insist on the new cats since that is such a common failure point. I also used Borla (Touring) for the cat back part and feel with the reduced power of the Roush supercharger plus my very conservative driving style I have a very reliable set up, although much less power than the VMP, but have had NO reliability issues in 12,000 miles of all types of driving. I am sure VMP will fix you up to be better than new plus able to handle any additional power you want to throw at it so hang in there for better things to come from VMP.
Wow that is heart breaking for what happened, but it made an awesome video!
It should have been built the right way from the start. Y'all messed up the engine, y'all should pay for it. Unreal.
By that logic, Ford should be to blame not VMP. VMP didn't mess up the engine the catalytic converters did.
Did Ford tell them to slap a supercharger on the engine?
@@goodnoughperformance Ford didnt add the supercharger to mess up the equipment in
@@sameerkarmali3250 so you acknowledge that that logic is flawed?
@@joshhaney9769 so you acknowledge that that logic is flawed?
came over from AutoVlog Just subscribe big thumbs up
Mentally all I could think about during the video is just how difficult this was. I work on cars; so I'm just visualizing all the parts needed to be disconnected. Plus this motor can't just lift up or be dropped from the frame simply. Notice they just dismantled the front end.
Great job guys! Keep up the good work 🤙🏼
Thanks!
And this is exactly why i eliminated my cats and had new OP gears and Sprocket installed the same day my VMP SC went in.. Why take the chance. After watching this vid it was definitely money well spent. The car also gained almost 30 more HP just in the exhaust mod. Superchargers do like to breath and when you choke em kaboom..
So you don't give a shit about the environment ? Thanks to idiots like you more stuff gets forbidden and regulated. Thanks
@@alex0711a actually, the one that gave a shit about the "environment" had his engine blown. He must've been the smart one...
@@alex0711a I do hope you realize that cars make a VERY small impact on the environment compared to semi's, cargo ships that ship your needles things from across the world to you, power plants that burn HUGE amounts of fuel to keep those lights on, the fracking that damages the environment in order to get the fuel, take your pick really lol why don't you take your point somewhere where it actually matters...
Whats the cost for OP gears and upgrade sprocket and labor?
@@thegonz7833 set of oil pump gears and billet sprocket is about $300 labor cost depends on shop doing it, but it's a lot of stuff to remove in order to just get to them, so it won't be cheap.
I think what happened was AV ran through a deep puddle...oh that already happened.. AV I am routing for you..they don't break if you don't drive'em.. your in great hands..
Will their be more episodes if so please let me know I'll be sure to watch I go to school for Rebuilding engines and I want to see more if this truck
Yes, more episodes will be forthcoming!
@@VMPPerformanceTV okay sounds great thankyou very much!
What caused one of the cats to get clogged and not the other?... was it supercharging the truck or common problems with the 5.0?
Awesome video... I love the truck! I wish it was mine after you fix it. Lol You guys are awesome on detail. Thanks.. Waiting for next vid
Was seriously considering supercharging my 15 f150 v8 but think I'll leave her stock.
the piston rings are stuck and cylinder walls/piston skirts are scored because the engine ingested the catalyst material after the honeycomb melted/ shattered.
matthew stradone That's a great thought but there would have been more scoring on the pistons if that was the case. They damage was definitely caused by heat.
@@wysetech2000 what other parts would be scored? I have seen this happen a handful of times, the dust from the broken catalyst gets pushed back into the combustion chamber and packs the ring grooves and scores the cylinder walls. not much else to damage in its path. heat plays a roll too but that piston would have broken if it over expanded..
It's possible but i don't think so. Nissan had that very problem with converters a few years ago and the engines looked like the had metal shavings thrown in. I also corrected the wording in my previous reply.
Awesome video.very insightful.
Looks like engine pulled with torque converter still bolted to flexplate,that doesn't seem right.That broken spark plug was the first clue there's a problem.
very cool and interesting video.
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Who was the upgrader or tuner of the Truck? Always an risk when you are not keeping a car stock.
Awe, Rev it up! Lets send it!!
Great video.You have a new subscriber!
Welcome!
First let me start off with the fact that Mike needed the cats to pass inspection in PA. Secondly for everyone beating up the engine STFU and do some research about the engine before you say it's weak. On top of that I hope VMP steps up and helps pay for most of this because they are a vehicle upfitter and for them to not recommend headers and or a performance cat is kinda BS as this is something that can happen with Forced induction
I agree. It sounds like VMP knew the factory cats are too restrictive for the supercharger....They should replace the cats at the very least for failing to recommend and informing the customer....imo...sounds shady...now they gotta do all this extra work for more $$$ Lol
Garret Rowe Why doesn't your boy Mike have AFR and EGT gauges? Running a boosted setup without either is stupid.
Wow that's like my first time seeing or hearing a coyote down....looks like I need to ditch my cats asap 750rwhp and 56k miles I'm sure my cats are ready to melt and fail lol
or the tune had an issue. I'm at 656 rwhp on my f150 with the factory cats. I don't drive my truck very hard, but I do worry about this issue. there is a fella on the f150 forum where this exact same thing happened. OZ tuned, 3.650 pulley with factory cats. lost compression across the entire bank.
jason wieber never run a boosted setup without AFR and EGT gauges.
@@lawnguy3267 whoops been doing that wrong for 55k miles lol what if I trust VMP tunes alittle too much
Id ditch the cats ASAP. If not long tubes at least do cat delete pipes youll gain a decent chunk of power while slightly lowering boost making the setup more efficient. Coyotes are raspy so id recommend going with a slightly tamer muffler with cat deletes (idk what your setup is) just to keep from being insanely raspy
Make sure to dyno before handing the keys back.
Kooks headers with a green catted y-pipe could have saved this truck's motor. More air in requires more air out.
VMP.. you have gotta start making it more well known that you cannot run standard cats on boosted motors.. My friends procharged s550 had the exact same thing happen after only 5k boosted miles..
Why would they. Its an easy business opportunity for them to grow their wealth. Just look at their shop. You honestly think they care about the customers wallet?
ShitFromShinola If VMP warned their customers about the converters they would have to warn them about poor fuel economy, more frequent spark plug changes, possible transmission, driveshaft and differential damage, bald tires and premature brake wear. They would have to warn the customer that they might lose their drivers licence or kill themselves or someone else.
I guess some people would tell them to forget the supercharger but most wouldn't care.
Almost 230 comments and only approx. 35% are positive regarding this situation. Should tell you something.
To VMPP what happened to Mike AKA AutoVlog's truck proved my fears that having a catalytic converters that close to the headers the next truck I get I'm make my own catalytic converter system
Why did the catalytic converter blow up? Turbo's fault? Looking forward to the next episode.
How can a convertor break apart on a nearly new truck?
Pittsburgh Views is shaking his head right now.
It's hard for me to believe that someone would be stupid enough to install forced induction to their motor, without addressing the stock manifolds and cats.
I know 3 different people, who left their cats on, after installing superchargers and all 3 blew a piston!!
Jesus Christ, people just don't learn......
Can it happen on NA FBO E85? I have kooks LT and kooks catted highflow x
The million dollar question...who paid for all this???
Mike most likely...
lol
Next video.... I’m gonna sale my Ferrari to pay for my broke down ford.
This is what happens when you push too much boost using stock components and expect them to perform.
Is the exhaust getting upgraded
Headers? No cats?
So let's wait for the engine to break before we decide to upgrade all the internal parts. Thats smart.
that's what most people do.
What kind of cats do you suggest to put on with your superchargers to prevent this? Or no cats? (Obviously it’s illegal, but would like to know what’s best)
Can this happen to a normally aspirated engine, cat issue causing cylinder damage?
I have cat that needs to be replaced, just been delaying it.
Anthony Reddy
It can happen to NA motors too. I seen unmodified cars have their primary catalytic converters melted then clog up the exhaust or just rattle around within the housing
Best video yet!
Autoflug's fans... we are here for Mike.. help him out ;)
I would've started by checking the cylinder banks, but I'm not the professional here!, 😆, and it seems that wasn't Ford that caused this "little" issue this time 😁, but when hou have deep pockets its nothing! 😎
Hope this was covered under warranty
Who's warranty?
Common sense goes into play here people. Before you add a supercharger, turbo, etc. Do long tubes with catless or high flow cats. I mean wow...
JJSINISTER91 Common sense is an uncommon thing.
this exactly same thing happened to me in a 03 nissan maxima
Love the channel but why was a compression test not ran from the beginning to discover that either way it could have went blown motor or over heating or timing cause compression issues compression test would and should be the first thing on any ford motor 5.0,4.6new 5.0 and new 5.2 including the new 7.3 direct injection with 10 spd diesel truck
Hi! With the codes we had, we wanted to check timing first so we didn't cause any additional damage. Cranking it over for a compression test could possibly bend valves and we wanted to avoid that.
I’ve seen a lot of coyote f150 cats going out at work lately
Wonder what oil they were using
He must of hit one nasty puddle! 😂😂😂😂
Would this have been a random failure, a failure by autovlog to upgrade the exhaust system or VMP to notify him that he would need to upgrade the exhaust system for the new super charger that is installed?
Welcome to Hotrodding.
Of course a badly mapped engine could also cause the issues with the cat and the engine issues.
You have a good point.
Excellent vid the Vmp guys are good at thier work..subbed to thier channel..
Amazing !
You can just feel the angst in his voice as he is explaining how much money this is going to cost him
First f150 mods longtubes, catless
Damn coyotes have lots of parts that can go wrong and I wouldn’t run more then 3 pounds with stock exhaust and cats
It has a $900+ borla exhaust system on it.
But the cats melted so maybe no cats at that power level
Ricardo The PC Wizard cat back doesn't matter
@@RicardoPCGamer Just because it's Borla doesn't mean it's better than other catback exhausts. Should have spent $1k more and got the right exhaust for a boosted motor. Borlas mufflers sound nice and I run them with headers and an X pipe on a boosted F150.
That dude needs to stop making filler vids.
Just curious, would running e85 prevent cat failure
Ryan Neville nope
Deleting them would be a sure fire way to prevent cat failure 🤟
no e85 shortens the life of them