@@sirnigga9918 the one channel Order of the green hand argues that Jon is the son of Ned and Ashara Dayne and the Aegon in the books sho lands in the storm lands is Lyanna and Rheagars son
I mean, he wasn't wrong. Hell, when he came back from the wall and passed by winterfell with a gift to Bran (so that Bran could be able to ride a horse after his injury), Robb treated him with disgust and contempt for no other reason than that Ned had obviously told him about Tywin and Jaime. And once Robb realised the unjust insult he had given Tyrion and tried to start treating Tyrion as an actual guest, Tyrion just blew him off and left.
When I first I started watching this and reading the comments, I was confused. I was all like “why do so many people hate Dungeons and Dragons here?”. Then I realized it was short for David and Dan, and then I felt very stupid for a long time
Ya man there hacks for real the minute they ran out of source material like jn the final season they butchered it so bad its called the greatest tv show ever with thebworstbfinal season ever and that was there ideas they wereboraided from the start as geniuses but once R.R Martin wasnt finished they needed there ien dialogue and writing to finish it and it was fucking a spit in the face to the franchise the characters etc it was utter shit there complete hacks
I always thought the "bastard names" were interesting (I also have an inherent fascination with names in general). Something interesting, I live in a coastal city in China, and there's an orphanage nearby; all of the children who wind up there are given the family name "海 (hǎi)" meaning "sea" or "ocean" in Chinese. I never found out exactly why the orphanage director did that, but it reminded me of this.
thats sounds pretty cool. I have always love names that are not based on like "who your father was" and are based on something else like an occupation, place, or some other cool thing. Those kinds of names always seems to have some interesting story behind them if you go back far enough which makes history more interesting. Those kids will likely grow up and may find other people with the name "海" and they might find out they also had the same upbringing, giving them an instant deep connection to that other person
@@Michaelonyoutub I think part of the reason the director gave them that family name was so they would feel like a "family" with the other kids at the orphanage who shared that name.
I mean it's the orphanage, many kids don't really have any last names, so you just give them something. My friend's grandpa was from an orphanage and they gave him the last name of his favorite teacher. Or something like that, I don't exactly remember all the details, but anyway yes, just give them something, it doesn't really matter all that much
That's interesting. I never really thought about it the fact that people have a family name almost everywhere in the world I assume. it's kind of interesting considering the supposed vast differences between cultures. I need to read up on some of this stuff I guess I've been aware that some families run matriarchally and most run patriarchally but I just never really took the time to delve into that subject.
Guys I’m not saying that they don’t deserve it but 1, they were responsible for the first couple seasons, too, (even if they did have George helping them out) and 2, after a while, I’m tired of hearing about them. The worst thing you could do to a show is forget it. But you have been raging for the past who mows how long about them, and all that’s doing is just making it more well known.
@@jayoctopus8832 the worst thing you can do is keep bringing it up to reserve their level of infamy. The backlash worked enough with their star wars contract.
I'll give it to you Aegon, this videos are incredibly deftly made. Amazing editing; how you put in scenes related to whatever is being spoken about, the music, the transitions, all of it. Great work man. I really enjoy these videos.
@@kylevalentine5431 Strong. Brave. Headstrong. I think Robert would have liked him, he represents things Robert respects. Far better than any of Robert's "children".
@@HyperIonMake yes yes that's all true.....IF he was a legitimate child, but as he is a bastard that just came from a night of passion.... robert literally doesnt care about his kids
Man the depth of the show in the first 5 seasons is on another level, if only the books were completed before the show, we would have a much better final season.
5th season was complete garbage and half of the 4th season was too. So many things from season 4 onward make no logical sense. Even though it’s a fantasy, it still has to make sense. It didn’t make sense though and was just fan service for the majority of the audience who didn’t read the books.
Really? Season 5 only had 1 good episode. Admittedly, that one episode is my favorite of the entire series but 1 episode does not make 1 season good/great. Season 5 was so badly written that the first thing they did in season 6 episode 1 was killed the story from Season 5.
It would only distract. An overload of characters is impossible to keep up in a visual medium. Mia Stone is a tertiary character, who is best left out unless she is supposed to tell a greater story, which would not fit the show.
I would've loved to see Mya and Alayne but I guess it wouldn't make sense. The show didn't have time to for alot of the amazing characters ( Lady Stoneheart etc)
Props to the actor playing Gendry, i mean, if we needed some sort of hint of how Robert was in his prime, my dude packaged the strenght and the badassery of young Robert very very well.
Thank you so much for these videos, Aegon. I just finished the show and these videos diving deeper in the books and lore made me start reading the books!
Honestly, its interesting to hear their take on things as long as you go in with the mindset that "this is how you can missunderstand something". D&D adapted the early seasons wonderfully, I think we all can agree on that, credit where credit is due; they worked themselves to having one of the most stressful jobs in the world.. But their own content is mediocre at best and they seem terribly missguided.
@@Hankshaw47 yeah. What everyone forgets is that they tried to write in 3 years what George RR Martin will likely take 20 to complete. Trying to wrap up Game of Thrones is no easy task; to say that this story is complicated is a hilarious understatement. They had a huge task, and, yes, they did it pretty poorly, but I don't think anyone could have done it well given the time constraints.
I love the idea of bastards, people with no talent, damaged individuals and people who are not special in any way rising up against the odds to take the nothing that they are and make something of themselves through willpower. I hate the idea of those same people finding out that they were in fact of some special origin all along. It strips their struggles of meaning.
One does not... simply get out of medieval way of thinking... How could we at these days still think of people as "talentless, damaged, not special in any way" just because their parents didn't ask the government, or better a dude that makes you believe he's sent by god, a piece of paper that says 'now you are a good homologated couple' before you were born. That being said, it doesn't strip their struggles at all, rather it makes it even more satisfying because they achieved something great despite a narrow-minded society that equates appearance=value.
I wish Gendry had become king. If only for how funny it would be for it all end with a Baratheon back on the throne. And I stil wondering if Baratheon was the Targaryen bastard name?
I don't think Baratheon is bastard for Targeryen. The name sounds too badass and dignified. I think it's a title for Orys as blackfyre was for Daemon and Seastar was for Shaera.
@@amuaebenezer5114 no, Targaryen bastards take the regional name just like every other noble bastard. Blackfyre is a legitimate house that was founded by Daemon I Blackfyre (former Waters).
@@renaigh they’re saying that Arya is far more hot-headed than Ned would have been. “Wolf-blood” is a term used by the Starks to describe the few of their own who are particularly rash and unruly.
God I can’t watch anyone with DandD in it and not remember how dispassionate they and disrespectful they were to this story. The actors came to them with legitimate criticisms and questions, and D&D said--essentially-“dance monkey, dance.”
@@MrSqurk I agree, though Dumb and Dumber will always be my favorite nickname for those two. If I was any good at editing, I'd make a deep fake of that entire movie with their faces in it.
@@MrSqurk Haha, yeah, I guess so. I was probably exaggerating a little: watching a few scenes would be a hilarious laugh at their expense, but a whole movie of that would probably wear out the novelty before the end, anyway.
Good vid. In a lot of Martin videos he just repeats plain-to-see stuff that's in the books, so it's not news to anyone who actually read them. But here he adds his own insight into things.
If Robert could, he would have had Gendry get that same treatment Ramsey got and validated him as his son. He cared for the boy, loved him even. Why else would the King personally go to a Blacksmith in the Slums to talk to a boy, would routinely check in on him ask him how everything was going. It brought a smile to me when he chose a Warhammer as his weapon, OURS IS THE FURY
That was a pretty dumb line. A King's Landing boy would know that the highborn bastards in the Crownlands are Waters. Also, he didn't use a bastard surname because he had no idea his father was highborn.
Due to them being the most evil villan of all game of thrones, I have timestamped every part of the video that Dumb & Dumber show up in below. 2:20 - 2:31 2:36 - 2:45 3:03 - 3:12 4:17 - 4:55 5:19 - 5:27 5:33 - 5:44
"Let me give you some advice, bastard, never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armour and it can never be used to hurt you." Has to be my favourite line in the entire series.
@@darko-man8549 Game of thrones worst seasons were still better than most television at the same time. Although I will admit the Sansa Ramsey storyline was poor as well as the Dornish plot. Either way the point stands the the hate for D&D is unreasonable.
Christian B disagree that the worst was still better than most as an argument pro-GoT’s later seasons. The characters in seasons 7 & 8 are falling apart, consistency is out the window, the writing is not nearly as good, it relies more on battles. Someone made an excellent video on how the Dragons are used to emotionally manipulate us (not in a good writing sort of way). Just because it is Better than 50% of the huge amount of things made for TV does not make it good.
Interesting that when Ned reassured Jon of his Stark heritage, not once did he say “You are my son”. The words he chose were “You are a Stark” and “You have my blood”. That should’ve been a dead giveaway that he was actually his nephew.
My oppinion is at end Rickon will be lord of Winterfell Jon will die after the fight against white walkers (Dany and YG also will die) . Sansa will rule Vale (i know Robin is her cousin,but that is not big deal) -Gendry and Arya will marry to reunite North and South (King and Queen) -Edric will get Stroms End. - Edmur will rule Riverlands. -Tyron will rule Westerlands - Dorne will go to Alleine -Reach i rly dont have strong oppinion People who knows about Gendry are Stannis and Varys, Stannis cares about rules and he knows Gendry is the oldest Robert son, Stannis will propably die, but he will spread out the word . Varys in other hand support YG, but YG is propably FAegon (BlackFyre), dragon will be his test and dragon will kill him ( Quentyn had Targeryan blood but its was to much diluted) so Varys will support Gendry more than Targeryans. If Varys supports BlackFyre , he would rather have Robert bastard than Targeryans on the throne.
George strongly suggests that Jon would end up on Castle Black one way or another, for such was the jealousy of Catelyn Stark and her paranoid fear that her husband's bastard would one day supplant Robb's claim to Winterfell. By choosing to go out on his own volition, Jon saved Ned out of a lot of trouble. If Cat took one moment to look at Robb and Jon she should know that this couldn't ever happen. Near the end of his pife, fearing what may happen to his cause should he die in battle, Robb made secret testament, which by his rights as a king, he legitimated Jon and urged him to take his place if that ever happend
Why on earth would they put D&D in any of this videos!?!?!?!?!? It makes my soul burn every time I hear them try and explain anything to do with ASOIAF.
Why wouldn’t you have GRRM have the final say in the outcome for the writing/direction of the show, sure have writers to take the brunt of the workload but the fact D&D negotiated to have full oversight is kinda impressive on their part, they literally rushed the last 2seasons so they could go to do Star Wars which evtenually go cancelled
I always thought wouldn't gendry being king if it wasn't going to be John Danny be a better ending then the dude that said he couldn't be king in the north but could be king of the world🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😓😪
Game of Thrones was the GOAT. Then D&D just had to ruin it for their own selfish reasons. It made me weep tears of joy when I heard they were dropped from Star Wars. Screw those guys.
Jon will still be a bastard in the books. The fact that D&D named him Aegon is laughable. Oh and that stupid annulment from Rhaegar. They combined both Jon and Young Griff characters.
George said that he would only let D&D make the show if they correctly guessed Jon's heritage, meaning Jon actually is Aegon. Maybe Young Griff is an imposter?
Can we get a redo on the last season? I'm sitting here watching these videos thinking, I should watch those all again... then I remembered.... lord how disappointing.
If I had a choice, I would be a bastard from The Reach or from The North. I wouldn’t mind developing a cunning mindset but I would want to be honorable like The Starks.
My father was a bastard. Was the product of an office romance. Similarly to what happened to Peggy in Madmen. Was adopted by a political science professor who went on to be the Dean of his department and a librarian. He is now a Director for a big organization and founded a million dollar company which went belly up because they did not want to engage in clientalism. Thinking of writing something about that.
Wouldn't work in the books, where Cercei never gave birth to a child by Robert. Even in just the show, Maggy's prophecy states that Cercei would only have three children: it works if you figure that early deaths don't count, but a fourth child living to adulthood would contradict it outright.
"You are a Stark. You might not have my name, but you have my blood." Excellent foreshadowing of the reveal of his true identity.
@@sirnigga9918 that was an amazing reveal
@@sirnigga9918 her name is Lyanna. The shewolf of winter fell. She is who Lyanna of house Mormont is named for.
@@sirnigga9918 wait really?!
@@sirnigga9918 the one channel Order of the green hand argues that Jon is the son of Ned and Ashara Dayne and the Aegon in the books sho lands in the storm lands is Lyanna and Rheagars son
Ned was indeed so honorable.
“All dwarves are bastards in their fathers’ eyes.” Such a well-written line, and so well-delivered by Peter Dinklage.
"Never forget who you are" "Wear it like armor" Amazing advice.
I mean, he wasn't wrong. Hell, when he came back from the wall and passed by winterfell with a gift to Bran (so that Bran could be able to ride a horse after his injury), Robb treated him with disgust and contempt for no other reason than that Ned had obviously told him about Tywin and Jaime.
And once Robb realised the unjust insult he had given Tyrion and tried to start treating Tyrion as an actual guest, Tyrion just blew him off and left.
@@Mukation also rob was no leader, so Tyrion mocked him for not being one.
It can never be used to hurt you
Those bastards names sound pretty cool though.
Yeah they really are. Except for maybe Hill but everything else sounds really neat. Particularly like Snow, Storm and Rivers
well they are not if you born from nobility :D
Who wouldn’t want to be a bastard in the Stormlands, “Storm” is such a cool name.
Xi Pyke
I like the sound of that
@@myronvanhellsing6297 i always thought flowers was a good bastard name
I do not care what D&D think about anything
Amen
Lol ye I just skipped straight past them
And that is why you suck.
@@SporkyMcFly Big words from a dead guy.
D&D made 7 great seasons
When I first I started watching this and reading the comments, I was confused. I was all like “why do so many people hate Dungeons and Dragons here?”. Then I realized it was short for David and Dan, and then I felt very stupid for a long time
Ya man there hacks for real the minute they ran out of source material like jn the final season they butchered it so bad its called the greatest tv show ever with thebworstbfinal season ever and that was there ideas they wereboraided from the start as geniuses but once R.R Martin wasnt finished they needed there ien dialogue and writing to finish it and it was fucking a spit in the face to the franchise the characters etc it was utter shit there complete hacks
@@dextermorgan6665 being a bad artist makes you evil? Oof
@@dextermorgan6665 The show was never good.
I always thought the "bastard names" were interesting (I also have an inherent fascination with names in general). Something interesting, I live in a coastal city in China, and there's an orphanage nearby; all of the children who wind up there are given the family name "海 (hǎi)" meaning "sea" or "ocean" in Chinese. I never found out exactly why the orphanage director did that, but it reminded me of this.
thats sounds pretty cool. I have always love names that are not based on like "who your father was" and are based on something else like an occupation, place, or some other cool thing. Those kinds of names always seems to have some interesting story behind them if you go back far enough which makes history more interesting. Those kids will likely grow up and may find other people with the name "海" and they might find out they also had the same upbringing, giving them an instant deep connection to that other person
@@Michaelonyoutub I think part of the reason the director gave them that family name was so they would feel like a "family" with the other kids at the orphanage who shared that name.
I mean it's the orphanage, many kids don't really have any last names, so you just give them something. My friend's grandpa was from an orphanage and they gave him the last name of his favorite teacher. Or something like that, I don't exactly remember all the details, but anyway yes, just give them something, it doesn't really matter all that much
That's interesting. I never really thought about it the fact that people have a family name almost everywhere in the world I assume. it's kind of interesting considering the supposed vast differences between cultures. I need to read up on some of this stuff I guess I've been aware that some families run matriarchally and most run patriarchally but I just never really took the time to delve into that subject.
In Argentina the children in orphanages were given the last name "Espósito".
Stop.
And they deserve it
That's not enough room.
Guys I’m not saying that they don’t deserve it but 1, they were responsible for the first couple seasons, too, (even if they did have George helping them out) and 2, after a while, I’m tired of hearing about them. The worst thing you could do to a show is forget it. But you have been raging for the past who mows how long about them, and all that’s doing is just making it more well known.
@@jayoctopus8832 the worst thing you can do is keep bringing it up to reserve their level of infamy. The backlash worked enough with their star wars contract.
My friend used to call me a bastard from King’s Landing before I knew anything about GoT. Now I understand why
Lmao
I'll give it to you Aegon, this videos are incredibly deftly made. Amazing editing; how you put in scenes related to whatever is being spoken about, the music, the transitions, all of it. Great work man. I really enjoy these videos.
Accolades to the conqueror
These are official videos from extras of the show. It's not even edited by the channel owner.
Robert would've deeply loved Gendry as his son.
LMFAO what???? Do you not know Robert???
@@kylevalentine5431 looking at the time you posted I assume you're also binging these videos?
@@kylevalentine5431 Strong. Brave. Headstrong. I think Robert would have liked him, he represents things Robert respects. Far better than any of Robert's "children".
@@senjuguy ofc ofc
@@HyperIonMake yes yes that's all true.....IF he was a legitimate child, but as he is a bastard that just came from a night of passion.... robert literally doesnt care about his kids
Man the depth of the show in the first 5 seasons is on another level, if only the books were completed before the show, we would have a much better final season.
5th season was complete garbage and half of the 4th season was too. So many things from season 4 onward make no logical sense. Even though it’s a fantasy, it still has to make sense. It didn’t make sense though and was just fan service for the majority of the audience who didn’t read the books.
Now only 3 game of thrones seasons were bad? The hate is off the scales holy fuck
@@FranciscoSilva-xk4hg That's cause they completely ruined the rewatchability of the series and robbed the audience of a decent ending.
Really? Season 5 only had 1 good episode. Admittedly, that one episode is my favorite of the entire series but 1 episode does not make 1 season good/great. Season 5 was so badly written that the first thing they did in season 6 episode 1 was killed the story from Season 5.
The show skipped an entire book
They should have had Mia Stone in the show.
Who? And how come?
@@Nutsaur Robert bastard in the Vale
It would only distract. An overload of characters is impossible to keep up in a visual medium. Mia Stone is a tertiary character, who is best left out unless she is supposed to tell a greater story, which would not fit the show.
Mya* Stone
Mia Stone is a model
I would've loved to see Mya and Alayne but I guess it wouldn't make sense. The show didn't have time to for alot of the amazing characters ( Lady Stoneheart etc)
If in the books Jon is really the son of rhaegar and Lyanna then Ned got really lucky that Jon was born with black hair
Right?!otherwise Ned would have had to come up with a very wild explanation of how he bedded a targaryen lol
Which is a huge plot armor, because technically rhaegar genes would be stronger since his blood was from the blood of the dragon or some shit.
@@ZuZu66667 Some Targaryen bastards didn't really have Valyrian features, Bittersteel only had purple eyes but had black hair
@@ZuZu66667 I guess you didn’t read house of dragons
@@ZuZu66667 idk but people say Jon is Ned Stark's clone so at that time the stark seed is stronger
Wear it like armour so it can never be used to hurt you that's some serious wise words man
Wait, this isn’t a video on D&D? 🤨🤨🤨
Agreed
Why did you execute William Wallace i demand to know
JK
Props to the actor playing Gendry, i mean, if we needed some sort of hint of how Robert was in his prime, my dude packaged the strenght and the badassery of young Robert very very well.
Renly was supposed to be that but I guess we have to settle for a glimpse in Gendry
Ramsay was the perfect foil to Jon. The fact that they had the same last name was another layer of irony.
Thank you so much for these videos, Aegon. I just finished the show and these videos diving deeper in the books and lore made me start reading the books!
The slaughter of Roberts bastards traumatized me. I'll never get over it.
I’m a ride or die fan of this channel but no we don’t care what d and d got to say
Honestly, its interesting to hear their take on things as long as you go in with the mindset that "this is how you can missunderstand something". D&D adapted the early seasons wonderfully, I think we all can agree on that, credit where credit is due; they worked themselves to having one of the most stressful jobs in the world.. But their own content is mediocre at best and they seem terribly missguided.
@@Hankshaw47 yeah. What everyone forgets is that they tried to write in 3 years what George RR Martin will likely take 20 to complete. Trying to wrap up Game of Thrones is no easy task; to say that this story is complicated is a hilarious understatement. They had a huge task, and, yes, they did it pretty poorly, but I don't think anyone could have done it well given the time constraints.
ArmorFrog Entertainment they opted to take those time constraints themselves....it is really their fault
@@darko-man8549 the probably should have taken a backseat
They didn’t even say anything, nothing of importance anyway
The title of this video led me to believe it was going to be about D&D
And now we know Jon isn't a real bastard. He still grew up and lived his life as one which just makes more tragic to be honest.
I love the idea of bastards, people with no talent, damaged individuals and people who are not special in any way rising up against the odds to take the nothing that they are and make something of themselves through willpower. I hate the idea of those same people finding out that they were in fact of some special origin all along. It strips their struggles of meaning.
I agree. Jon snow will still be a bastard in the books. He's the great bastard
Funny enough This was my opinion on Rey, I like her better when her parents were no one
@Hugo Holmgren even if he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, he would still be a bastard. Rhaegar was already married to Elia
i dont hate it that way. i hated it when it means nothing at the end anyway.
One does not... simply get out of medieval way of thinking... How could we at these days still think of people as "talentless, damaged, not special in any way" just because their parents didn't ask the government, or better a dude that makes you believe he's sent by god, a piece of paper that says 'now you are a good homologated couple' before you were born. That being said, it doesn't strip their struggles at all, rather it makes it even more satisfying because they achieved something great despite a narrow-minded society that equates appearance=value.
I wish Gendry had become king. If only for how funny it would be for it all end with a Baratheon back on the throne. And I stil wondering if Baratheon was the Targaryen bastard name?
I don't think so, Blackfyre is the bastard of Targaryen
@Amua Ebenezer
That's not the bastard name, it's just the name a bastard started using
I don't think Baratheon is bastard for Targeryen. The name sounds too badass and dignified. I think it's a title for Orys as blackfyre was for Daemon and Seastar was for Shaera.
@JeremyCuddles And then there are people who will insist that Ned Stark was planning a targaryen restoration with Jon......(sigh)
@@amuaebenezer5114 no, Targaryen bastards take the regional name just like every other noble bastard.
Blackfyre is a legitimate house that was founded by Daemon I Blackfyre (former Waters).
Arya & Gendry gives us an idea of how Ned & Robert acted towards one another
Not really? Arya had a lot of 'wolf blood', Ned didnt. It's more like watching Brandon/Lyanna and Robert, if Robert was less of a douche to Lyanna.
@@CoRLex-jh5vx what the fuck does "wolfblood" have to do with this?
@@renaigh they’re saying that Arya is far more hot-headed than Ned would have been. “Wolf-blood” is a term used by the Starks to describe the few of their own who are particularly rash and unruly.
'Arya & Gendry' is the crengest relationship ever.
Ned and Robert banged each other?
Sick editing, really brings out the emotional aspect of this topic
God I can’t watch anyone with DandD in it and not remember how dispassionate they and disrespectful they were to this story. The actors came to them with legitimate criticisms and questions, and D&D said--essentially-“dance monkey, dance.”
Dispassionate and Disrespectful would be a good replacement name for those 2
@@MrSqurk I agree, though Dumb and Dumber will always be my favorite nickname for those two. If I was any good at editing, I'd make a deep fake of that entire movie with their faces in it.
@@AHEM1313 I know how to deep fake (it’s actually pretty easy now) but doing it to the entire movie would take me literal years
@@MrSqurk Haha, yeah, I guess so. I was probably exaggerating a little: watching a few scenes would be a hilarious laugh at their expense, but a whole movie of that would probably wear out the novelty before the end, anyway.
@@AHEM1313 I’ll give it a go just for you. The render times are obscene, so my computer will likely crash
Good vid. In a lot of Martin videos he just repeats plain-to-see stuff that's in the books, so it's not news to anyone who actually read them. But here he adds his own insight into things.
I hope heaven is listening to George
Sheesh I can't look at Iwan smiling without shivers running down my spine....
On the topic of the names I think GRRM missed a beat when he didn't have the Night's Watch take Black as surname when they make their vows.
If Robert could, he would have had Gendry get that same treatment Ramsey got and validated him as his son. He cared for the boy, loved him even. Why else would the King personally go to a Blacksmith in the Slums to talk to a boy, would routinely check in on him ask him how everything was going. It brought a smile to me when he chose a Warhammer as his weapon, OURS IS THE FURY
"gENdRY rIvERs"
Gendry storm
Xd
@Ash should have been King Gendry of House Baratheon Lord of the 7 Kingdoms and protector of the realm.
That was a pretty dumb line. A King's Landing boy would know that the highborn bastards in the Crownlands are Waters. Also, he didn't use a bastard surname because he had no idea his father was highborn.
ahahah ffs
We should have seen just a tiny bit more of jons uncle benjin especially
SPOILERS HERE
when benjin just randomly saves jon.
Great video! Lots of interesting information, including interview footage with GRRM that I have not seen until recently.
Ay I’m never first, preciate all the Martin you give us. Very helpful for my writing.
I could listen to him talk all day
Due to them being the most evil villan of all game of thrones, I have timestamped every part of the video that Dumb & Dumber show up in below.
2:20 - 2:31
2:36 - 2:45
3:03 - 3:12
4:17 - 4:55
5:19 - 5:27
5:33 - 5:44
Nothing better than seeing this comment at 5:50 and knowing I don’t have to see them again
Nice
increasingly noticing how rude dnd are. Just couldn't resist dropping that line about all psychopaths having daddy issues lmao... way to go.
Ramsey Snow in the show was probably the best representation to the books outside of Joffrey
Remember what Ramsey Bolton said (YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION IF YOU THINK_______________HAPPY ENDING
Man D&D actually sound coherent before S5~6, shame they got addicted to crystal meth after that
Iwan Rheon is such a good actor that even in this interview I got nervous at his shitty little smile
1:50 I want that explanatory map of bastards :/
"Let me give you some advice, bastard, never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armour and it can never be used to hurt you." Has to be my favourite line in the entire series.
D&D chipping in their 2 cents as if they have a F'ing clue.
I bet half the reason George came up with the whole bastard thing was the comedy factor. Every time they say bastard I laugh.
I have the theory that Gendry is going to be the king in the books
"My father told me: Aim for ther head" lmao
you should upload every time george posts on his blog.
He actually spoke about the WoW in his most recent entry
@@210SAi another year :((((((
Mystical Muffin at a minimum
Awesome video
Wow did anyone else notice that guy say,"I think psychopaths often have problematic relationships with their fathers. "
No everyone except you turned the sound off and just watched the video
Nobert Mathonsi, yeah!! It really made me laugh, lol
In the book Gendry comes across his half sister. He doesn't know she's a half sister though all the hints were there though.
Is There a video about changing the aging of almost all chrachates. For example here gendry is almost 30 in the book is just a child of 16
I seriously hope we as a collective human race comes together and boycott anything Dumb and Dumber come out with forever.
adding a couple of clips from d&d probably adds to the number comments more than it adds to the number of dislikes. good for the algorithm
Because of this comment I’m disliking the video. Good point though. D&D suck so bad.
When you think the bastard names are pretty cool, but then you remember your last name is flowers XD
I think people should stop interviewing Martin. Stop inviting him places. Force him to finish these books!
Jon was a bastard who was treated as a son
Ramsay a bastard treated as a bastard
Tyrion a son treated as a bastard
Oh look D&D talking like the know what they are doing
They made 7 great seasons
Christian B they 4 great seasons with GRRM’s help. 5 was okay, 6 was mediocre with one or two great episodes, 7 was also mediocre
@@darko-man8549 Game of thrones worst seasons were still better than most television at the same time. Although I will admit the Sansa Ramsey storyline was poor as well as the Dornish plot. Either way the point stands the the hate for D&D is unreasonable.
Christian B disagree that the worst was still better than most as an argument pro-GoT’s later seasons. The characters in seasons 7 & 8 are falling apart, consistency is out the window, the writing is not nearly as good, it relies more on battles. Someone made an excellent video on how the Dragons are used to emotionally manipulate us (not in a good writing sort of way). Just because it is Better than 50% of the huge amount of things made for TV does not make it good.
Haven’t skipped past something faster than when D&D came up
It makes you wonder when an interaction between Tyrion and Ramsay would’ve been like.
Weird, I'd have figured the Iron Islands' bastard name would be Iron or Steel or Salt, not Pyke. Hell, maybe even Rock.
Interesting that when Ned reassured Jon of his Stark heritage, not once did he say “You are my son”. The words he chose were “You are a Stark” and “You have my blood”. That should’ve been a dead giveaway that he was actually his nephew.
Indira such an amazing actress 👏
humpty is a good story teller
“I don’t listen to bastards.”-Vegeta
Love how they keep mentioning John snow when it turns out he isn't haha
And here we have Bron, son of..... "you wouldn't know him"
My oppinion is at end
Rickon will be lord of Winterfell
Jon will die after the fight against white walkers (Dany and YG also will die) . Sansa will rule Vale (i know Robin is her cousin,but that is not big deal)
-Gendry and Arya will marry to reunite North and South (King and Queen)
-Edric will get Stroms End.
- Edmur will rule Riverlands.
-Tyron will rule Westerlands
- Dorne will go to Alleine
-Reach i rly dont have strong oppinion
People who knows about Gendry are Stannis and Varys, Stannis cares about rules and he knows Gendry is the oldest Robert son, Stannis will propably die, but he will spread out the word . Varys in other hand support YG, but YG is propably FAegon (BlackFyre), dragon will be his test and dragon will kill him ( Quentyn had Targeryan blood but its was to much diluted) so Varys will support Gendry more than Targeryans. If Varys supports BlackFyre , he would rather have Robert bastard than Targeryans on the throne.
Anyone know the name of the song at the 1 minute mark? Would be much appreciated
Gods the writing was strong then
George strongly suggests that Jon would end up on Castle Black one way or another, for such was the jealousy of Catelyn Stark and her paranoid fear that her husband's bastard would one day supplant Robb's claim to Winterfell. By choosing to go out on his own volition, Jon saved Ned out of a lot of trouble. If Cat took one moment to look at Robb and Jon she should know that this couldn't ever happen. Near the end of his pife, fearing what may happen to his cause should he die in battle, Robb made secret testament, which by his rights as a king, he legitimated Jon and urged him to take his place if that ever happend
Why on earth would they put D&D in any of this videos!?!?!?!?!? It makes my soul burn every time I hear them try and explain anything to do with ASOIAF.
Ahhhhhhh but like why did they have to fck it all up...
Why wouldn’t you have GRRM have the final say in the outcome for the writing/direction of the show, sure have writers to take the brunt of the workload but the fact D&D negotiated to have full oversight is kinda impressive on their part, they literally rushed the last 2seasons so they could go to do Star Wars which evtenually go cancelled
Weiss acknowledging that psychopaths have problematic relationships with their fathers.... Narcissists, too, there buddy!
Very interesting, even if it 's upsetting to see D&D, and maybe Ned would not have raised Jon the same way it was an actual bastard
Wel gendry turned out to be awesome in the end didn’t he….
I always thought wouldn't gendry being king if it wasn't going to be John Danny be a better ending then the dude that said he couldn't be king in the north but could be king of the world🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😓😪
The actor that portrays Gendry looks so much like Christian Bale.
Game of Thrones was the GOAT. Then D&D just had to ruin it for their own selfish reasons. It made me weep tears of joy when I heard they were dropped from Star Wars. Screw those guys.
Jon will still be a bastard in the books. The fact that D&D named him Aegon is laughable. Oh and that stupid annulment from Rhaegar. They combined both Jon and Young Griff characters.
the annulment was pretty stupid. at least the way they handled it.
@@Mihayan1 yeah that was stupid and unnecessary. Such a disrespect to Elia Martell and her kids
George said that he would only let D&D make the show if they correctly guessed Jon's heritage, meaning Jon actually is Aegon.
Maybe Young Griff is an imposter?
Young Griff/Aegon is probably a Blackfyre in the books
@@dankgothtrash Jon won't be named Aegon. D&D combined both the characters of Jon and Young Griff
It's so true.
I've found all dwarfs to be bastards too.
Can we get a redo on the last season? I'm sitting here watching these videos thinking, I should watch those all again... then I remembered.... lord how disappointing.
If I had a choice, I would be a bastard from The Reach or from The North. I wouldn’t mind developing a cunning mindset but I would want to be honorable like The Starks.
the 7 dislikes are probably because of Dumb and Dumber
Dead meme. Move on.
And so I do.
My father was a bastard. Was the product of an office romance. Similarly to what happened to Peggy in Madmen.
Was adopted by a political science professor who went on to be the Dean of his department and a librarian.
He is now a Director for a big organization and founded a million dollar company which went belly up because they did not want to engage in clientalism. Thinking of writing something about that.
an office tumble
I never understood Stone for the Vale and Hill for the Rock. Should be the other way around.
If D&D don’t get off my screen (I’ll Decapite Someone)
can we censor D&D's faces? they're triggering (lol but ngl only half joking)
Darude sandstorm
Just seeing d&d still pisses me off. They’re the real bastards
A noble is a cutthroat plus a century.
Maybe Jon wasn't raised like a normal bastard because he wasn't a bastard and Ned knew this which is why he treated him so well
D&D talking about Dorne like they actually know jack shit about Dornish politics is laughable
The most famous bastard isn't a bastard 😜
I always thought Gendry was Robert & Cersei first true born son. I believe Cersei even speaks on it. I think she says the baby died. Opinions??
Wouldn't work in the books, where Cercei never gave birth to a child by Robert. Even in just the show, Maggy's prophecy states that Cercei would only have three children: it works if you figure that early deaths don't count, but a fourth child living to adulthood would contradict it outright.
No that’s not the case