"He doled out the food to his wife and each of his men before he ate himself, a portion no larger than any other." I was never a big Stannis fan, but that line right there gives me huge respect for the guy.
Stannis is the true heir to the throne hopefully he will defeat the northern army and march south but I don't think George is going to finish the books .. sSso we can all just create our own ending to the greatest series of books ever written
Although naive and deeply arrogant. He wasn’t completely stupid. His fault lies to his lust for power. In game of thrones you easily understand the price of power, the failing of institutions, and the horrible motivations of surviving in Westeros
Saving the Baratheons at the siege of Storm's End, and after he became Hand of the King, he was completely honorable. Before that he was a smuggler. The most honorable man in the seven kingdoms was Eddard Stark.
I FOUGHT WITH THE FURY OF TEN MEN! Robert’s voice and all of his existence screams: ,,WAR!”. From the way he tells a story, through the sound of his voice, to the fury, valour and skill he fought his battles with. From the nature of the Storm-lands to his house words, Robert was built for war. Fantastically written character and terrifically performed by Mark Addy.
He's a great storyteller. If he weren't the king he'd have been a great balladeer. I love how it feels like he's reliving it as he's telling us about it.
He should have been made General of the Royal Army. Robert knew how to command and how to fight. Ruling was boring to him. Stannis on the Iron Throne and Renly Lord Of Storms End
This has nothing to do with Roberts Rebellion. But I just realized that Robb Stark never came back to the North. The moment he left to enter the War of the Five Kings. He never went back. It’s honestly really sad.
Hearing Stephen Dillane makes me happy. His portrayal of Stannis made me love the character, with all his flaws/sins and his little touching moments. The guy had it rough. Even after all his efforts to help Robert, which meant going against his duty and loyalty to Aerys, he still got nothing. Storms end should’ve been his. The throne was his by right and everyone except Ned undermined him. His wife couldn’t even provide him with a male heir and his only daughter was sick with greyscale. Robert never loved him, Renly betrayed him. I would’ve loved to see the peach scene in the show. Stannis said he would go to his grave remembering Renly and his peach. A way for his brother to tell him to smell the roses, a proof that they loved each other to some degree.
All hail King Stannis of the House Baratheon, First of His Name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm, Survivor of the Siege of Storm's End, Conqueror of Dragonstone, Subduer of Great Wyk and Liberator of the Wall.
Its so tragic and yet so beautiful how Oberyn discribed Elia and loved her so damn much. She sounded like a wonderful humble Person and was killed so brutally and cruelest way possible...
My mom hadn't seen me since 1987, we reunited in 2016 and I got to visit her in NC a year later, I slipped when I visited my mom (who's devoutly Catholic by the way) I said to her when we were on our way to her house how beautiful the countryside was ”by the gods this really is beautiful country” she looked at me so confused and said ” by the gods”?! 🤣 I had literally binged watched game of thrones seasons 1-6 so many times I think I developed an accent. It still creeps out every once in a while 🤣
As someone who is admittedly A Lannister fan I will admit this was their downfall. Brazen moves or actions that bring repercussions. You guys are right but here's my favorite example. Tywin's hate of Tyrion was Brazen rash and uncalculated. And that's the one person who got tywin in the end.
And their other phrase, a naked man has few secrets, but a flayed man none. It's kind of saying we're not just going to torture you a little bit, they're going to go all the way with it.
Good idea I can imagine it for my own life gods that was a good sandwich at lunch and then I destroyed my vile toilet with a war hammer of a crap...gods be good those those were the days Haha
38:35 this highlights the difference between Little Finger and Tywin, both are sociopaths but the major distinction is that Tywin is part of the upper class and seeks to maintain his position while Little Finger seeks to gain power.
As the battle of the Blackwater raged on, just as tyrions forces were about to be flanked after their own victory, the Terrell and Lannister armies arrived ,..... Led by Tywin Lannister; on horseback, SWORD IN HAND, slashing viciously. Lord Tywin will fight and get his hands dirty, except he wins when he does it.
@@tomstreet2859 Never heard that one, the show always portrayed her hatred for him as purely being fueled by the fact that he's a living reminder of Ned cheating on her.
@@zumis1011 The books were a bit more nuanced. She has a fit when Robb names Jon his heir in case he dies. I sometimes forget the show ignored those points.
She did sugar coat her father's failures. The Tyrell army is 80-120 thousand strong. They didn't need to use all them for Stannis and his mere 500 men. They could've gone north to pursue Robert. He would've still been blocked off from his heartland.
@@user-ti5cw1ug6l you fail to understand why mace had his entire army siege storms end... They had no stakes in the war. They moved in a way that secured the best possible outcome regardless of who wins the rebellion
Everything House Tyrell is they owe to the Targaryens. They are a House of traitors, and I can't wait to see some roses burn. The only downside is that not all of them are in KL in the books, since there are two older brothers (the show leaving that out made no sense, they'd never have Loras on the Kingsguard if he were the heir) Jon Con, for one, will hate the roses.
Eh... I'd say it was pretty biased for them. Every victory they had a minor part in, Margaery over embellishes. Even when they have no definitive results. It's kinda like a chess player who lost three pieces to take the Queen but is boastful about it despite being no closer to capturing the King. Lots of pretty words, no results.
I honestly do not consider the Rebellion unjustified. Even if Lyanna was not abducted, Aerys still murdered Rickard and Brandon Stark, Lord Paramount of the North and the heir to Winterfell on bullshit charges and flimsy evidence and in gruesomely cruel fashion before calling for the heads of Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon on unjustified grounds who were under the direct protection of House Arryn. The crimes against House Stark alone made it certain that there would be war, especially since they had been nothing but loyal vassals to the Targaryens for almost 300 years. Pro-Targaryen loyalists honestly disgust me by refusing to acknowledge the legitimate grievances that all the belligerents had against the House of the Dragon, especially the Starks. I do, however, extremely regret what happened to Elia Martell and her children because they did not deserve to die.
I know this is an old comment but the actual rebels had absolutely nothing to do with Elia and her childeren’s deaths. That was all Tywin’s doing to get in good with Robert before the rebels won. I have no doubt that if Ned had made it to King’s Landing before the Lannisters did, Elia and her childeren would’ve survived.
@@daankeizer4469yeah sounds like something that frozen face fool would try, but the dragon spawn had to and would've been killed regardless who got to them first... The mad king is the one who should hold all the blame for keeping them close as hostages like the mad man that he was
I don’t really get the Stannis simping the fans participate in. But his pov in the rebellion makes me sympathetic of him. He defied his king to help his brother, despite putting laws above all else, and sacrificed so much. Yet when Stannis needed Renly to defeat Joffrey, Renly went against him and made the war so much worse because “why not Robert started a war too lmao”. His younger brother betrayed him when he needed him most.
@@idonthaveaname576Stannis in the book is one of his best written charicters in my opinion. The actor that played him would have knocked it out of the park too, if they had kept more true to the book.
Robert really was the main character at some point and low key deserved it lol. Dude was just a war machine, without any prophecies or dragons or magic trickery, just big axe
I don't understand why HBO doesn't make a prequel on Roberts rebellion.they have so much material.why making some other stories.this one is just fine...
This one is the best if you ask me but it seems like the average spectator would enjoy flying CGI dragons or walking zombies more than a captivating story.
Probably after the house of dragons has wrapped, we may get this prequel, once there are some years between the original show and this. People love nostalgia
All the fostering and marriages around country shows that a big alliance was already being forged, in order to take down Aerys II or at least protect themselves. During the previous peace time, all the great lords married their own noblewoman: Rickard Stark to a Stark cousin, his father Edwyle to a Locke, and his father Willam to a Glover, Hoster Tully to a Whent, Jon Arryn to a Royce, then an Arryn, Steffon Baratheon to a Estermont, Mace Tyrell to a Redwyne, etc. They knew war would come soon or later.
I wonder if Robert was so angry because he really believed Lyanna had been abducted and raped, or because he knew Lyanna didn't want him and couldn't deal with the blow to his ego.
It was the 1st one he believed that Lyanna had been kidnapped and that the Targaryen's were unruly maniacs that had to be put down. Also the point of this war wouldn't just be a rebellion it would also seem like a rescue mission,which prompt soldiers to join the rebellion.
Yup. I think the show made it pretty clear that Littlefinger had created and spread the lie. Even then he was seeking his revenge against Brandon Stark and company. All events after the duel between Stark and Baelish need not have occured if Brandon had just killed him and got it over with. The lessons of all this are simple: never leave an enemy at your back, and revenge is a dish best served cold, so cold no one even realises it is revenge.
I am sorry Littlefinger was kid when the Rebellion what happen he had NO POWER then. He still nurse his cut by Brandon and he kick out by Cat's father.
A good line for Viserys would've been - "And when I sit upon the Iron Throne, those that rose against my house shall die in the ashes of their own houses"
Isn’t it funny how viserys doesn’t realize that he isn’t the heir the sons of the first son come before the second born son. Technically aegon would be named king
After Rhaegar died, Aerys literally stripped Aegon and Rhaenys of inheritence and said Viserys was his heir. Aerys didn't trust the dornish at all and believed they conspired to kill Rhaegar, so he didn't want a half-martell inheriting the throne. He was mad.
My Fancast for Roberts Rebellion Series: Travis Fimmel as Robert Baratheon Jack O’Connell as Ned Stark Jessica Brown Findlay as Lyanna Stark Jamie Campbell Bower as Rhaegar Targaryen Michael Sheen as King Areys II (The Mad King) Annabelle Wallis as Queen Rahella Targaryen Anthony Starr as Tywin Lannister Colin Firth as Jon Arryn Jacob Elordi as Ser Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) Damian Lewis as Ser Barriston Selmy Mads Mikkelson as Ser Gerold Hightower Alexander Dreymon as Ser Arthur Dayne Alex Pettyfyre as Ser Jamie Lannister Josephine Langford as Cersei Lannister Sofia Carson as Elia Martell Will Poulter as Varys Phoebe Dynevor as Catelyn Stark Joseph Fiennes as Grand Maester Pycelle Toby Stevens as Jon Connigton Hugh Laurie as Hoster Tully Frank Dillane as Stannis Baratheon Domhall Gleeson as Howland Reed Jamie Dornan as Brandon Stark Liam Neeson as Rickard Stark Emma Thompson as Lyrra Stark Mark Ryder as Benjen Stark Jessica Barden as Lysa Tully Alex Lawther as Peter Balish (Little Finger) Billy Barrat as Young Viserys III For Young Tyrion couldn’t pick because there are few actors with Dwarfism! So for this one just pick a new comer! Find a Little Person from the UK who’s young and looks somewhat like Peter Dinklage
I love listening to all the different POVs talking about their viewpoints and where thet stood in regards of Roberts rebellion.Ive always enjoyed these "Histoies&Lore vids. ROBERTS REBELLION& Animated version of the TARGARYANS CONQUEST are my 1 favourite ones i think
Be a Stannis. Not because it’s cool. Not because it’s the right thing to do. Be a Stannis, because you’ll be remembered… as awesome as you were. You always had the potential, and you proved it.
Targaryen reign wasn't peaceful for 300 years. Not counting the conquest There's the War against the Faithful Militants, Dance of the Dragons and Blackfyre Rebellions
@@caydenl.4878 the details? Much is still left to theorizing and pure guessing. Which is the whole point of the entire event. We're not meant to know exactly what happened, it's only vaguely hinted at from multiple aftermath viewpoints which is how it should stay
Its often said that one of the inspiration for GOT was the english war of the roses but i would say a more accurate historical comparison would be the first scottish war of independance. Many claimants to many thrones. Politics v unity more plots than fiction
I love how all of the actors didn't just read the words, completely in character and stayed the course. Mark Addy made sure it was Robert talking about Robert's rebellion. It's viserys himself talking about the Targaryens. All of the spirit, bias, and pride still there
Gods be good. I cant get enough of the westerosi lore read by the actor/characters themselves. The varys little finger part is great. Why dont they all pitch in to read their chapters and lines for the most epic game of audiobooks ever?😊
Pedro Pascal....gods did he deliver that well. I really want to know how Dorne is going to get vengeance in the books. They will make the Lannisters suffer for everything
It is always funny to me when people call Robert a usurper when Aegon the Conquerer, conquered Westeros and burned some who didn’t bend the knee just because he wanted to. Even when the Mad King burned the Starks who were ruling the North for thousands of years, people didn’t say a word to the unworthy king because “Birthright”. Lords and peoples of Westeros have their minds so filled with “honor” and loyalty, they threw away the rationality completely
Sometimes ya gotta wonder why they bother changing the details for the show's Histories and Lore. Yeah, sometimes it's due to the age differences or fewer characters (like Davos having only one son), so it's understandable. But sometimes there's just absolutely no reason for it. Catelyn and Ned were together for a _fortnight_ before Ned had to get back to the war, not a night. And he was already back at Winterfell with baby Jon Snow when Catelyn arrived there with baby Robb after the war. Why bother changing that? Because it makes it seem more fortuitous if Ned knocked Catelyn up on the first try? Does it make it seem more dramatic if Catelyn is waiting longingly by the window for her man to come home, when she spots him from afar carrying a baby? Tropes.
I agree about changing a fortnight to a night. Seems pointless. But having Ned arrive with baby Jon, rather than Catelyn being the one to arrive, was probably indeed changed because the first option sounded more dramatic, for Ned to arrive with Jon. Btw, I kinda wish the show would at least have given Davos two children. The other one could very well have been kept entirely off screen. It just seems a little cruel to leave him childless.
@@darth856 Well, Davos also (briefly) spoke about his wife as if she was still alive in season 2. And then in all subsequent seasons, even though it was never clearly stated, he seemed to start regarding her as if she was his _late_ wife and had been for awhile. There was never any notion that there was some home for him to get back to one day. It's subtle but it's a very early sign of D&D not not having a solid plan and being all too willing to contradict what they'd already established for the sake of keeping it simple.
@@zardox78 I'll have to take your word for it. The last time I remember them mentioning his wife was in season 3, and it sounded like she was alive at that point at least.
We need a Robert’s Rebellion series from HBO just to see the characters & these Westeros historic scenes brought to life. A young Robert Baratheon on the battlefield with his hammer & stag helmet dueling with prince Rhegar & shattering his ruby crested armor. The Mad King, a young Ned Stark & John Arryn , Ser Arthur Dane “ The Sword of the Morning” , Jamie Lannister earning his “The king slayer” name, Tywin Lannister ordering Gregor Clegane to murder Elia Martell & her children, “The day the smiles died” tournament, the escape of Daenarys & her brother, Davos “ The Onion Knight”…..The Battle of the Trident, The Battle of the Bells, The Seige of Storm’s End …… So much great material at their fingertips !
Dany mentipned how she loved viaerys at one point and how he taught her all she knew of her family. I just imagine him telling her his biased opinions as a bed time story everynight and yhey got crazier and crazier as he went off his rocker 😂
poor stannis he was the mvp of greyjoy rebellion and played a big part in roberts rebeliion holding storms end but still robert and ned get most of the credit
I don’t know about him really playing a big part of Robert’s Rebellion, holding the castle wasn’t completely irrelevant or anything, but it was also very minor. Had Stannis surrendered, Mace simply would’ve sat and held the castle with some hostages and withdrawn upon the arrival of Ned, like normal, or been the one to deliver the final decisive end to the rebellion had Robert died. The Tyrell plan was always to appear to be supporting the crown by facing Robert in the field, then finding an excuse to not get too involved beyond that. They were playing both sides and just seeing who’d win. Didn’t want to commit too far to the war and risk the potential new king nor commit too little and risk Aerys coming down on them. It was a clever move really.
"He doled out the food to his wife and each of his men before he ate himself, a portion no larger than any other."
I was never a big Stannis fan, but that line right there gives me huge respect for the guy.
The Mannis for a reason
@@euanb3970 "Pray harder." - Stannis Baratheon.
The show took a giant shit all over Stannis. He could’ve been so much cooler.
Stannis is the true heir to the throne hopefully he will defeat the northern army and march south but I don't think George is going to finish the books .. sSso we can all just create our own ending to the greatest series of books ever written
@@dplumtree6060 Hate to burst your bubble, but Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen is the true heir to the Iron Throne.
God I love Viserys' lore readings. He's just so wonderfully biased.
Now that I think about it. This is probably how he told the story to Daenerys when she was younger, painting the Targaryen's as the good guys.
Siliuse frfr
I would be
Targaryen's insanity from centuries of incest.
Although naive and deeply arrogant. He wasn’t completely stupid. His fault lies to his lust for power. In game of thrones you easily understand the price of power, the failing of institutions, and the horrible motivations of surviving in Westeros
Davos is the most honourable character in Westeros. He went in with a tiny boat to save those starving people trapped in Storms End.
No honorable but no
@@chipsthedog1 what I meant to say was he's definitely honorable I wouldn't say he's the most honorable character in Westeros
@@charlessanborn2162 oh sorry my guy I thought you was calling out the spelling. My bad deleting comment now
Saving the Baratheons at the siege of Storm's End, and after he became Hand of the King, he was completely honorable. Before that he was a smuggler. The most honorable man in the seven kingdoms was Eddard Stark.
Davos is the 🐐
Roberts Voice is so epic!
SEVEN HELL IT WAS GLORYOUS!
Gods i was strong then
It commands authority
GODS those were some battles!
My favorite is his narration in the dance of dragons video, little prince jacarys must have shit himself when he saw aemond and vhagar
I FOUGHT WITH THE FURY OF TEN MEN!
Robert’s voice and all of his existence screams: ,,WAR!”.
From the way he tells a story, through the sound of his voice, to the fury, valour and skill he fought his battles with.
From the nature of the Storm-lands to his house words, Robert was built for war.
Fantastically written character and terrifically performed by Mark Addy.
He's a great storyteller. If he weren't the king he'd have been a great balladeer. I love how it feels like he's reliving it as he's telling us about it.
He was a born warrior lived to fight afer the fight ended he started drinking and wasting away
@@Dino-Hrnic. Precisely
He should have been made General of the Royal Army. Robert knew how to command and how to fight. Ruling was boring to him. Stannis on the Iron Throne and Renly Lord Of Storms End
@@chadhoy7489 That would’ve matched their personalities perfectly.
A Baratheon help started the Targaryen reign and a Baratheon ended the reign.
And they went extinct as well after... In the show anyways lol
@@paulz6457 Gendry
Gamer Lycan So did the Tullys, kinda sad in a way
Mann Tau the Tully family didn’t die out, Edmure is still alive.
Poetic no?
This has nothing to do with Roberts Rebellion. But I just realized that Robb Stark never came back to the North. The moment he left to enter the War of the Five Kings. He never went back. It’s honestly really sad.
This video literally explains everything
@@BeyondBlazed420 he meant his comment had nothing to do with robs rebellion not the video
Once northmen go south they never return. This is known.
@@estheralarcon9938it is known.
@@estheralarcon9938cregan stark?
Hearing Stephen Dillane makes me happy. His portrayal of Stannis made me love the character, with all his flaws/sins and his little touching moments. The guy had it rough. Even after all his efforts to help Robert, which meant going against his duty and loyalty to Aerys, he still got nothing. Storms end should’ve been his. The throne was his by right and everyone except Ned undermined him. His wife couldn’t even provide him with a male heir and his only daughter was sick with greyscale. Robert never loved him, Renly betrayed him. I would’ve loved to see the peach scene in the show. Stannis said he would go to his grave remembering Renly and his peach. A way for his brother to tell him to smell the roses, a proof that they loved each other to some degree.
Brb crying. Stephen was the best Stannis.
All hail King Stannis of the House Baratheon, First of His Name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm, Survivor of the Siege of Storm's End, Conqueror of Dragonstone, Subduer of Great Wyk and Liberator of the Wall.
I like stannis line in the book and here he says “ only renly can jest me with a peice of fruit” 😂
You can’t really blame Selyse for something out her control. Stannis is as much to blame for not having a son as she is.
@@hi-ls6lt
How so ?
I love the way Ser Davos describes Stannis, his narration was my favorite
"It was the hardest choice I ever made, my brother or my king" - Stannis
That's why he is the king, stannis the mannis.
GODS THOSE WERE SOME BATTLES Robert is like the positive stereotype of a warrior king
GOD I WAS AMAZING
Yep he is based on the King of the Lord of the Rings if the King I forget his name won and the war and reigned.
@@ErikPT Aragorn?
@@ErikPT Elendil?
@@ErikPThe doesn't resemble any of the Kings shown in lotr...
Its so tragic and yet so beautiful how Oberyn discribed Elia and loved her so damn much. She sounded like a wonderful humble Person and was killed so brutally and cruelest way possible...
Anyone try using “gods” in conversation?
“Gods, that was a good taco.”
"Gods, what a fineeee dinner!"
My mom hadn't seen me since 1987, we reunited in 2016 and I got to visit her in NC a year later, I slipped when I visited my mom (who's devoutly Catholic by the way) I said to her when we were on our way to her house how beautiful the countryside was ”by the gods this really is beautiful country” she looked at me so confused and said ” by the gods”?! 🤣 I had literally binged watched game of thrones seasons 1-6 so many times I think I developed an accent. It still creeps out every once in a while 🤣
Sometimes i use "Seven Hells"
"By the gods, how many times are you or someone else going to comment this stupid shit on every video?"
"Gods, what a nice comment section"
"Our means were bloody but the results speak for themselves" probably should have been the Lannisters' motto.
And like everything else the lannisters did.
It ended up biting them hard in the arse in the end.
As someone who is admittedly A Lannister fan I will admit this was their downfall. Brazen moves or actions that bring repercussions. You guys are right but here's my favorite example. Tywin's hate of Tyrion was Brazen rash and uncalculated. And that's the one person who got tywin in the end.
Those are some good house words. "Our means are bloody" Reminds me of the Bolton words. "Our blades are sharp"
And their other phrase, a naked man has few secrets, but a flayed man none.
It's kind of saying we're not just going to torture you a little bit, they're going to go all the way with it.
You can make a Thorne of swords but can't sit on that easily.
"So easy.. a king should die harder then this" goddamn if that ain't a badass line
I read this at the exact same time as he said it somehow
It’s because the Targaryen King was suppose to be this dragon like person but he died easily as any common man. It’s ironic to Jamie
GODS I WAS STRONG THEN
GODDSSSSS THOUSSS WERE SOME BATTLEEESSSS
GODS THOSE WERE THE DAYS
I FOUGHT WITH THE STRENGTH OF 10 MEN!
WHAT A DAY!
IN AN OPEN FIELD NED
GLORIOUS DAY
7 hells I was strong.
I want Mark Addy to narrate my life. GODS how awesome that would be.
Good idea I can imagine it for my own life gods that was a good sandwich at lunch and then I destroyed my vile toilet with a war hammer of a crap...gods be good those those were the days Haha
38:35 this highlights the difference between Little Finger and Tywin, both are sociopaths but the major distinction is that Tywin is part of the upper class and seeks to maintain his position while Little Finger seeks to gain power.
Gods, Roberts voice alone could inspire a thousand men to go to War for him!
Imagine a one on one conversation between Stannis and Tywin.
With robert littlefinger varys and bron
We saw Stannis get his hands bloody. I'll take the baratheon...
As the battle of the Blackwater raged on, just as tyrions forces were about to be flanked after their own victory, the Terrell and Lannister armies arrived ,.....
Led by Tywin Lannister; on horseback, SWORD IN HAND, slashing viciously.
Lord Tywin will fight and get his hands dirty, except he wins when he does it.
@@bakionigeri6414Nope it was Garlan and Loras who led the force
The tension would have made the room snap.
These lore videos using the actors to narrate is some of the best additional content I’ve had the pleasure of listening too
Isn’t it funny that Kat hated Jon but he’s the one now protecting her daughters and has regained their position in the north
I wish she could see him now
Her fears that Jon would steal her children's birthrights...in fact the reverse happened.
Ikr lifes not fair
@@tomstreet2859 Never heard that one, the show always portrayed her hatred for him as purely being fueled by the fact that he's a living reminder of Ned cheating on her.
@@zumis1011 The books were a bit more nuanced. She has a fit when Robb names Jon his heir in case he dies. I sometimes forget the show ignored those points.
"The Baratheons say 'Ours is the fury.' I will show them... fury *BURNS* "
ARGH! My knees are bending!
The bara-theyons against the tirrels.
REAL TALK THOUGH, DAVOS NARRATION MADE ME CRY, HE'S SUCH A GOOD MAN.
Same, what a man. What a king he serves ❤
34:27 "but Jon Arryn died, then Robert, then Ned." Man, still hits hard.
Couldn't have gone with anyone better than Mark Addy for Robert.
Man I love house Tyrell. Margaery paints a unbiased view of the war where House Tyrell had nothing to truly gain or lose if either side won.
She did sugar coat her father's failures. The Tyrell army is 80-120 thousand strong. They didn't need to use all them for Stannis and his mere 500 men. They could've gone north to pursue Robert. He would've still been blocked off from his heartland.
@@user-ti5cw1ug6l you fail to understand why mace had his entire army siege storms end...
They had no stakes in the war.
They moved in a way that secured the best possible outcome regardless of who wins the rebellion
The art during Margery's narrative is so cool and pretty. Great stuff, ScrivaTV.
Everything House Tyrell is they owe to the Targaryens. They are a House of traitors, and I can't wait to see some roses burn. The only downside is that not all of them are in KL in the books, since there are two older brothers (the show leaving that out made no sense, they'd never have Loras on the Kingsguard if he were the heir) Jon Con, for one, will hate the roses.
Eh... I'd say it was pretty biased for them. Every victory they had a minor part in, Margaery over embellishes. Even when they have no definitive results. It's kinda like a chess player who lost three pieces to take the Queen but is boastful about it despite being no closer to capturing the King. Lots of pretty words, no results.
I honestly do not consider the Rebellion unjustified. Even if Lyanna was not abducted, Aerys still murdered Rickard and Brandon Stark, Lord Paramount of the North and the heir to Winterfell on bullshit charges and flimsy evidence and in gruesomely cruel fashion before calling for the heads of Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon on unjustified grounds who were under the direct protection of House Arryn. The crimes against House Stark alone made it certain that there would be war, especially since they had been nothing but loyal vassals to the Targaryens for almost 300 years.
Pro-Targaryen loyalists honestly disgust me by refusing to acknowledge the legitimate grievances that all the belligerents had against the House of the Dragon, especially the Starks. I do, however, extremely regret what happened to Elia Martell and her children because they did not deserve to die.
I know this is an old comment but the actual rebels had absolutely nothing to do with Elia and her childeren’s deaths. That was all Tywin’s doing to get in good with Robert before the rebels won.
I have no doubt that if Ned had made it to King’s Landing before the Lannisters did, Elia and her childeren would’ve survived.
@@daankeizer4469 Here's hoping. Ned wouldn't have harmed them, but Robert.........
@@daankeizer4469yeah sounds like something that frozen face fool would try, but the dragon spawn had to and would've been killed regardless who got to them first... The mad king is the one who should hold all the blame for keeping them close as hostages like the mad man that he was
@@samalvey8168robert was badly wounded in the trident, he wouldn't have come to kl for months
I don’t really get the Stannis simping the fans participate in. But his pov in the rebellion makes me sympathetic of him. He defied his king to help his brother, despite putting laws above all else, and sacrificed so much. Yet when Stannis needed Renly to defeat Joffrey, Renly went against him and made the war so much worse because “why not Robert started a war too lmao”. His younger brother betrayed him when he needed him most.
Also Robert shafted Stannis at every turn.
I think that’s more on the book side of Stannis, where he shows a bit of a less stoney approach than his show counterpart.
The show did a massive disservice to Stannis’s character unfortunately
@@idonthaveaname576Stannis in the book is one of his best written charicters in my opinion. The actor that played him would have knocked it out of the park too, if they had kept more true to the book.
They simp because the Iron Throne is his. By right.
I somehow cannot imagine Jaime Lannister married to Lisa Tully...
well he likes pushing people out of the tops of castles they would have gotten along perfectly lol
Me neither lmao 😂 I kinda don't blame him for choosing Cersei over that... creature. 😂
@@FlowerTrollSan if my twin sister would look like Cersei I would defo eating that up
He would have pussed her like littlefinger did and then went to Cersei
Was a good move by Tywin, he wanted Cersei married to Rhaegar and Jaime to Lisa, the entire middle of the continent would’ve been allied
It’s crazy how this was probably the most impactful event in the whole series and yet it’s all backstory
Robert really was the main character at some point and low key deserved it lol. Dude was just a war machine, without any prophecies or dragons or magic trickery, just big axe
Big hammer*
💯💯pure brute warrior no gimmicks
War hammer, but we get it. 😅
I don't understand why HBO doesn't make a prequel on Roberts rebellion.they have so much material.why making some other stories.this one is just fine...
This one is the best if you ask me but it seems like the average spectator would enjoy flying CGI dragons or walking zombies more than a captivating story.
Yea like 20 episode till their 1st child
Imo it’s too close to game of thrones.
IIRC Martin wanted Robert's Rebellion to just be left up to our imagination
Probably after the house of dragons has wrapped, we may get this prequel, once there are some years between the original show and this. People love nostalgia
All the fostering and marriages around country shows that a big alliance was already being forged, in order to take down Aerys II or at least protect themselves. During the previous peace time, all the great lords married their own noblewoman: Rickard Stark to a Stark cousin, his father Edwyle to a Locke, and his father Willam to a Glover, Hoster Tully to a Whent, Jon Arryn to a Royce, then an Arryn, Steffon Baratheon to a Estermont, Mace Tyrell to a Redwyne, etc. They knew war would come soon or later.
Rhegar himself was planning on overthrowing his father, but he was planning it too late before the rebellion occurred
Lol “as far as areys he must’ve been pissing himself” sounds like the words of king Robert😭😭
I wonder if Robert was so angry because he really believed Lyanna had been abducted and raped, or because he knew Lyanna didn't want him and couldn't deal with the blow to his ego.
Jennifer Brewer both
It was the 1st one he believed that Lyanna had been kidnapped and that the Targaryen's were unruly maniacs that had to be put down. Also the point of this war wouldn't just be a rebellion it would also seem like a rescue mission,which prompt soldiers to join the rebellion.
Yup. I think the show made it pretty clear that Littlefinger had created and spread the lie. Even then he was seeking his revenge against Brandon Stark and company. All events after the duel between Stark and Baelish need not have occured if Brandon had just killed him and got it over with. The lessons of all this are simple: never leave an enemy at your back, and revenge is a dish best served cold, so cold no one even realises it is revenge.
I am sorry Littlefinger was kid when the Rebellion what happen he had NO POWER then. He still nurse his cut by Brandon and he kick out by Cat's father.
Jennifer Brewer, i think its both
They seriously should do a epic blockbuster of this story, and call it "REBELLION".
8:53 stannis part is the best
It’s so sad that by the time cat died she still didn’t know the truth about jon
She could find out in the books.
She’s a zombie in the books so there’s still time
A good line for Viserys would've been - "And when I sit upon the Iron Throne, those that rose against my house shall die in the ashes of their own houses"
Seven hells, I miss how epic the show was in the early years
Isn’t it funny how viserys doesn’t realize that he isn’t the heir the sons of the first son come before the second born son. Technically aegon would be named king
After Rhaegar died, Aerys literally stripped Aegon and Rhaenys of inheritence and said Viserys was his heir. Aerys didn't trust the dornish at all and believed they conspired to kill Rhaegar, so he didn't want a half-martell inheriting the throne. He was mad.
stephen kuchler aegon snow wasn’t born. Rheagars children were murdered by clegeane thus making viserys the true heir.
Petyr and Varys fighting is making my day.
You know you did something right when you seal the narrative by Tywin Lannister himself.
Olenna should narrate the Tyrell part
Musicalfantastic I couldn't agree more! Love QOT.🌹
But she wasn't born a Tyrell, she only married into the family. She's a Redwyne.
@@FlowerTrollSan she was part of the tyrell family at that time anyways
@@Jockeylotforfun I'm a big fan
"A single thrust was all it took, to end the greatest dynasty the world had ever seen."
That's pretty gnarly not gonna lie!
Oberyn's lore story about his sister Elia was so awesome
My Fancast for Roberts Rebellion Series:
Travis Fimmel as Robert Baratheon
Jack O’Connell as Ned Stark
Jessica Brown Findlay as Lyanna Stark
Jamie Campbell Bower as Rhaegar Targaryen
Michael Sheen as King Areys II (The Mad King)
Annabelle Wallis as Queen Rahella Targaryen
Anthony Starr as Tywin Lannister
Colin Firth as Jon Arryn
Jacob Elordi as Ser Gregor Clegane (The Mountain)
Damian Lewis as Ser Barriston Selmy
Mads Mikkelson as Ser Gerold Hightower
Alexander Dreymon as Ser Arthur Dayne
Alex Pettyfyre as Ser Jamie Lannister
Josephine Langford as Cersei Lannister
Sofia Carson as Elia Martell
Will Poulter as Varys
Phoebe Dynevor as Catelyn Stark
Joseph Fiennes as Grand Maester Pycelle
Toby Stevens as Jon Connigton
Hugh Laurie as Hoster Tully
Frank Dillane as Stannis Baratheon
Domhall Gleeson as Howland Reed
Jamie Dornan as Brandon Stark
Liam Neeson as Rickard Stark
Emma Thompson as Lyrra Stark
Mark Ryder as Benjen Stark
Jessica Barden as Lysa Tully
Alex Lawther as Peter Balish (Little Finger)
Billy Barrat as Young Viserys III
For Young Tyrion couldn’t pick because there are few actors with Dwarfism! So for this one just pick a new comer! Find a Little Person from the UK who’s young and looks somewhat like Peter Dinklage
Would love Jamie Campbell Bower as any Targaryen. Even Aerion.
I love listening to all the different POVs talking about their viewpoints and where thet stood in regards of Roberts rebellion.Ive always enjoyed these "Histoies&Lore vids.
ROBERTS REBELLION& Animated version of the TARGARYANS CONQUEST are my 1 favourite ones i think
Mark Addy (Robert) is terrific! It’s hilarious to think that he’s the same actor who played the doofy “Roland” in “A Knight’s Tale.”
Or Fred Flintstone
Be a Stannis. Not because it’s cool. Not because it’s the right thing to do.
Be a Stannis, because you’ll be remembered… as awesome as you were. You always had the potential, and you proved it.
I love these GoT lore videos.. all these years later I’m still watching.
Charles Dance as Tywin is such a great casting choice that voice just speaks for itself
Mark Addy was an epic King, love his voice in this reading.
SEVEN HELLS THAT WAS A GLORIOUS DAY
I love how you have to piece together the truth by cross-referencing and understanding each persons biases.
I really needed to see these, I've never seen them and it helps me work shit out lmao
I like how Tywin explained it like he was doing good
Targaryen reign wasn't peaceful for 300 years. Not counting the conquest There's the War against the Faithful Militants, Dance of the Dragons and Blackfyre Rebellions
When they say peaceful, they mean relatively speaking. I believe there are some other lore videos whre this is cleared up.
Thats because the narrator is biased
He said stable.
@@sigmalpha_testostronewolf yup margaery says that her father mace beat robert when it was the tarlys
@@camerontoy8154because Mace takes the credit for it
A mini series on this would be so tremendous, something feels so special about Roberts reign
They should have made a show out of this.
They probably will
It takes away the mystery of it
@@DrMikkel_yz54 bs
@@DrMikkel_yz54the mystery of???
@@caydenl.4878 the details? Much is still left to theorizing and pure guessing. Which is the whole point of the entire event. We're not meant to know exactly what happened, it's only vaguely hinted at from multiple aftermath viewpoints which is how it should stay
4:32 LMAO the eastereggs(Jaime ruthlessly becoming a King at the early draft of the story) and a foreshawdowing(The mad king's plan to burn the city)
Its often said that one of the inspiration for GOT was the english war of the roses but i would say a more accurate historical comparison would be the first scottish war of independance. Many claimants to many thrones. Politics v unity more plots than fiction
I enjoyed every word of this.. masterful writing excellent delivery
"...but Ned stark was not built like other men". BUILT DIFFERENT
Mark Addy's voice as Robert is amazing
"I saw many things in this world, but never justice. Until Stannis,"
I love how all of the actors didn't just read the words, completely in character and stayed the course.
Mark Addy made sure it was Robert talking about Robert's rebellion. It's viserys himself talking about the Targaryens.
All of the spirit, bias, and pride still there
I like how she said Eddard isn't built like that😂
Roberts voice cracks me up 😂😂 ..."cursed dragonkkkkhingssss"
The only thing missing is Sean Bean narrating this.
“I’ll show them Fury burns”
Damn bro...
I wish they'd do an entire video about "King Bread". One mention of him causing a riot in King's Landing then nothing...
King Bread is Azor Ahai.
King Bread just wants to feed the people. King Bread wages no wars, does no harm, and rustles no jimmies.
ALL HAIL KING BREAD
@@thispersonwriting1889 perfect words.
REBELLION!!! Seven Hells I love Robert’s voice!!
The two things I want most is a Roberts rebellion series and a dunk and egg series
How threatening the Martels sound, too bad their threats ended up as nothing in the show
I love Oberyn's voice.
Cat’s part was straight from the books.
I love how Bobbys recall of rebelion sound like late stage camping in Mount & Blade!
You've got to love Robert Baratheon🤗
I’m up to Davos and ALL of them so far sound like the actors/actresses of the show! Amazing work!
they are the actors in the show
this is official material found in the dvd's for the show, they are the real actors
Wait so that’s why Davos is called the onion knight? Because he smuggled in onions to feed the baratheons? Actually a really cool fact
I forgot they used to say Tyrell like Tirrell in Season 1 lol.
5:24 ned simply built different
Gods be good. I cant get enough of the westerosi lore read by the actor/characters themselves.
The varys little finger part is great.
Why dont they all pitch in to read their chapters and lines for the most epic game of audiobooks ever?😊
Stannis sense of duty is awsome
Pedro Pascal....gods did he deliver that well. I really want to know how Dorne is going to get vengeance in the books. They will make the Lannisters suffer for everything
It is always funny to me when people call Robert a usurper when Aegon the Conquerer, conquered Westeros and burned some who didn’t bend the knee just because he wanted to. Even when the Mad King burned the Starks who were ruling the North for thousands of years, people didn’t say a word to the unworthy king because “Birthright”. Lords and peoples of Westeros have their minds so filled with “honor” and loyalty, they threw away the rationality completely
History is written by the Victor
A full cast reading of the books is a dream I still cling to but I think this is as close as we'll get
Sometimes ya gotta wonder why they bother changing the details for the show's Histories and Lore. Yeah, sometimes it's due to the age differences or fewer characters (like Davos having only one son), so it's understandable. But sometimes there's just absolutely no reason for it.
Catelyn and Ned were together for a _fortnight_ before Ned had to get back to the war, not a night. And he was already back at Winterfell with baby Jon Snow when Catelyn arrived there with baby Robb after the war. Why bother changing that? Because it makes it seem more fortuitous if Ned knocked Catelyn up on the first try? Does it make it seem more dramatic if Catelyn is waiting longingly by the window for her man to come home, when she spots him from afar carrying a baby? Tropes.
I agree about changing a fortnight to a night. Seems pointless. But having Ned arrive with baby Jon, rather than Catelyn being the one to arrive, was probably indeed changed because the first option sounded more dramatic, for Ned to arrive with Jon.
Btw, I kinda wish the show would at least have given Davos two children. The other one could very well have been kept entirely off screen. It just seems a little cruel to leave him childless.
@@darth856 Well, Davos also (briefly) spoke about his wife as if she was still alive in season 2. And then in all subsequent seasons, even though it was never clearly stated, he seemed to start regarding her as if she was his _late_ wife and had been for awhile. There was never any notion that there was some home for him to get back to one day. It's subtle but it's a very early sign of D&D not not having a solid plan and being all too willing to contradict what they'd already established for the sake of keeping it simple.
@@zardox78 I'll have to take your word for it. The last time I remember them mentioning his wife was in season 3, and it sounded like she was alive at that point at least.
Wilf Scolding is criminally underrated as an actor and voice actor.!
When was he talking?
I'll be honest, I'd much rather see a prequel series about the rebellion instead of the 'Dance of Dragons'.
HBO was smart. They wanted to avoid the stench of the GoT finale, so they made a series without any of those characters.
I’d pay any money to watch a show about the rebellion
I love these lore readings
We need a Robert’s Rebellion series from HBO just to see the characters & these Westeros historic scenes brought to life. A young Robert Baratheon on the battlefield with his hammer & stag helmet dueling with prince Rhegar & shattering his ruby crested armor. The Mad King, a young Ned Stark & John Arryn , Ser Arthur Dane “ The Sword of the Morning” , Jamie Lannister earning his “The king slayer” name, Tywin Lannister ordering Gregor Clegane to murder Elia Martell & her children, “The day the smiles died” tournament, the escape of Daenarys & her brother, Davos “ The Onion Knight”…..The Battle of the Trident, The Battle of the Bells, The Seige of Storm’s End ……
So much great material at their fingertips !
Dany mentipned how she loved viaerys at one point and how he taught her all she knew of her family. I just imagine him telling her his biased opinions as a bed time story everynight and yhey got crazier and crazier as he went off his rocker 😂
We need a series on Roberts rebellion
Jaime's perspective was badass tbh. Damn.
I could listen to these lore videos forever
poor stannis he was the mvp of greyjoy rebellion and played a big part in roberts rebeliion holding storms end but still robert and ned get most of the credit
I don’t know about him really playing a big part of Robert’s Rebellion, holding the castle wasn’t completely irrelevant or anything, but it was also very minor.
Had Stannis surrendered, Mace simply would’ve sat and held the castle with some hostages and withdrawn upon the arrival of Ned, like normal, or been the one to deliver the final decisive end to the rebellion had Robert died.
The Tyrell plan was always to appear to be supporting the crown by facing Robert in the field, then finding an excuse to not get too involved beyond that.
They were playing both sides and just seeing who’d win. Didn’t want to commit too far to the war and risk the potential new king nor commit too little and risk Aerys coming down on them. It was a clever move really.
@@brendan9868 clever but dishonourable and cowardly, happy they got wiped out (in the show at least)