chocolatewheelchair he probably released the video 19 hours ago but then made it private maybe to edit it or something and then reposted it and before he made it private this guy commented.
I feel like some people will rag on these cars, but in my opinion, it's a good looking car at a good price. Most people THINK they want a sports car, but this is really all they need.
this is true. Most people need at max 250hp. This is more than that, and its still practical, economical, easy to maintain, and PLENTY fast. i would say more than half of car enthusiasts cant even afford one of these anyway, so its all talk and no walk.
True though, they always rave on about how car's are considered slow when the car itself had 200+ horsepower, etc. Also the Camry TRD is about having a sporty feel family car, not a full on sportscar that's uncomfortable to haul people around.
@@HNRichard it says Camry on the badge, if you want a Toyota sports car they have the 86 and Supra in the same show room. Toyota is about options, the question shouldn't be why, it should be how much more can they add?
I'd rather be "John Camry" than "Ed Equinox" any day. It's still a front drive family sedan with some exterior attitude, nothing more. It's $31K with a 300 hp V-6! Great value.
I really don't get the appeal of making your car look like something out of a tacky Fast and Furious movie just because it has extra performance. I love my Mazda6 Turbo because it looks elegant, but will catch some asshole in an F-250 by surprise by how quick it is.
@@tinhinnh I like the looks of the car but it does look riced in all honesty. How much of a performance increase did they give it anyway? I haven't watched the vid yet, and I hope its nothing like the avalon trd.
the way cop served around aggressively and got behind the camera car. There is 110% they got ticketed for an open door/seat belt violation. You know keeping society safe from these violent criminals!
This is an AMAZING car, especially at this price point. It even looks better in person. For someone with a family and a limited budget where you need a car for the family and groceries but at the same time you want to have something that will put a smile on your face every time you drive it, the Camry TRD hits a nice sweet spot. Combine all that with that legendary Toyota quality which means you will have a car that will outlast its warranty and you have an AMAZING car. The ONLY thing that prevented me from putting this on my shortlist was that it did not come in a manual :( If this Camry TRD came in a manual I would be working hard to try to find a way to fit it in my garage. As was said in the video I also think an LSD would do wonders in this car. Well done Toyota! I hope they sell a ton of these to show even at $30,000 people want good looks, good value, and good performance. You really get a lot of car for your money here.
The open diff on the Camry and Accord Sport absolutely 99.99% kills the sporty aspect of these cars. Very disappointed this is basically a cosmetic kit :(
Limited slip diff is overrated unless you are mashing the throttle at full lock. The mk5 GTI has enough torque to overwork the tires and it doesn't have a limited slip diff, or even a brake actuated torque vectoring system. Do I still have fun with it? Yes I do, on and off the track.
@@mylesswann530 The Accord does not have an LDS but it can be upgraded with the same LSD from the Civic Type-R. Check out this video for more info: th-cam.com/video/XeS4yhT5qHk/w-d-xo.html
Looks great, but that rear wing is hideous. A simple color matched flush small duckbill would suit this much better. A small 20 hp bump should be mandatory for a TRD model.
The way those "influencers" were holding the steering wheel in the TRD promo video is pure cringe. I guess that's why I see so many folks my age and younger holding the steering wheel like they've got scoliosis.
They're not "influencers." They are real life race car drivers. Kyle Busch and Martin Truex Jr. are two of Nascar's best current drivers with 3 championships between the two, and Hailie Deegan is the most hyped up and comer in Nascar. Driving cars is their life and job. They know how to keep a car under control without much effort.
@@TekuTaurus LMAO Nascar drivers are not real "racers" Nascar and drag racing are like folks who only do free trows vs actually playing basketball..... The hardest Motorsports are rallying, then f1/ Sports car endurance racing....... You act like if he's Walter Rohrl, Senna, Hans Stuck, Dereck bell, Pedro Rodriguez, Schummacher....etc...etc... That's why the ass**le doesn't know how to handle a steering wheel properly...........
As someone who has spent 6 months fixing an 05 beater Camry in a place where parts are hard to come by or expensive to import, things like mechanical hvac controls make life a lot easier.
Shaiyan Hossain They discontinued the factory supercharger option for the tundra years ago sadly. My opinion would be the trd camry and avalon should be awd with the v6 and closer gear ratios. Get the 0-60 to the 4.X second area would be well enough to justify the badge.
Toyota has been listening to the wrong people for a long time. First, they messed up the Taco and 4-runner by making them too big. Then there was the FJ 40 without a removable top and horrible visibility. They took the supercharger option away. Come on Toyota, get it together. Why don't they have performance versions of their most popular vehicles like every other manufacturer. Honda has the Civic SI's and Type R. Come on Toyota, get it together. lol
Toyota didnt care about making this an actual sport sedan. They just added some crap and hoped to charge a premium . And totally agree. This is why an 02 Maxima is a much better car than this. Man I miss my Maxima
Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to make good quality car review videos.
@@tinhinnh They won't. Folks ask for it but it never sells. For all the GT86's sold only 33% were manuals. Most folks want auto's for the real world while claiming they won't buy a car if it doesn't have a manual online.
Love the video. As informative as ever. I expected you to say that the suspension made it handle ALOT better than cars in its class or even the base Camry. I am going to test drive it in 8 months when I’m ready to lease again, and if I can break away from buying a SUV... thanks for the honesty and attention to detail with your reviews.
Practical item on the con list - the rear seats don’t fold down like on the regular Camry. Something about extra structural bracing or what not back there. If the trunk is big enough on its own for you then no biggie.
At 40k? A young family won’t have the income to afford this. And a family with 2 kids wouldn’t be shopping for a sedan, they’re going for the 3 row SUV. The XSE was more than enough of a sporty trim package, this..this is embarrassing. It’s as bad as the Civic Type R. It’s trying so hard to be cool and edgy that it comes off as an insult to any car enthusiast. Not to mention no manual or LSD (which I wouldn’t expect anyways) IF it was trying to be serious about its “sporty sedan” intentions. Just drive an Outback or CPO German sedan and accept you’re a middle aged suburban dad.
Matt McNicoll dude first off did you even watch the video? He said it is starting at $31k that’s nowhere near $40k plus also I admit no manual nor LSD can be a dealbreaker but who knows the Camry TRD could get a LSD as part of the update And also the Civic Type R is not bad yes it does look edgy but remember there are more uglier cars out there like the new Camaro And of course it is practical as it seats 4 people and has plenty of boot space And not every family with 2 kids will go straight to a three row SUV Some will look at sedans some will look at wagons
@@constructionbootgazer yeah but a Civic Type R makes actual sports cars sweat on track. It's not being marketed as something it's not. Regardless of what you think about its looks. And if you think a CTR it's an embarrassment I'd invite you to get slapped around by one around a road course. This is something else. 31k is not bad compared to a lot of new cars but considering how little enthusiasts precense Toyota has, something with a TRD badge that is not a truck these days just honestly isn't for anyone other than a Kool aid drinking Toyota fan (and this is coming from someone with a a TuRD Pro truck). Sad thing is they won't have trouble moving them, but I suspect they won't get any crosshoppers or anyone used to dailying an actual fun car. TLDR you have some valid points but you're definitely wrong about your comparison with segment leading hot hatch.
But it's not fun to drive though. It drives like any other Camry. Something like the old Ford Mondeo ST (XR5) with the 5-cylinder turbo Volvo engine and manual transmission only is much more on the mark.
For me, Toyota nailed this car. I’m not a full blown car enthusiast. Being from the North east and wanting to keep a car for 10 - 20 years, this is perfect. Same tuning and components (so just as reliable) as the Camry but appearance only changes. That’s all I would want and I’m glad they got rid of the unnecessary high end features that don’t matter imo. I hope they keep it for longer. It’s semi affordable still and gives you a few extra goodies while maintaining the Toyota parts and tuning of the legendary Camry. A good daily car. Personally, it’s more fun and economical to buy a motorcycle instead of a sports car for when I want to tool around and have fun.
Seriously considered this car in January. Opted for a 2017 Lexus IS300 F Sport (used) for $25k. Much better look and enjoyment driving the Lexus F Sport V6
To each his own, but I'd never choose used over new. Enjoy the jizz the previous owner left on the seat for you. Probably wiped herpes all over the steering wheel and controls as a bonus.
Oh my good geesus, the car gods have answered my prayers and let a real one review the TRD, havent watched the vid yet cuz of this commercial but in anticipation I cant believe this is getting reviewed by you.
CashK Enterprises haha, any 21 year old would look at this and laugh as they drive away in their civic/86/sti. Or they would be scared the neighbour next door is trying to hang out with them.
Paul S had a 05 legacy last year and it started rod knocking after only a few months of having it with around 145,000 miles Now have a 2010 Camry with 165,000 miles with 0 issues Will never get anything other than Toyota again.
Man, it's the TRD poser styling pack and the wing looks nice and fits the idea, but how can you not ask for a brake caliper recolor?? They're literally drawing attention to themselves pretending to be hot stuff but it makes it more obvious that they're not.
i gotta say the TRD Camry is a really, really good looking car but leaving out the LSD is such a huge setback. no manual option pretty much separates this car from real enthusiasts as well
Would an enthusiast buy a comfy Camry, though? Seems to be that a manual+LSD would only make sense if Toyota also implemented the other tweaks that Goose had grievances about.
I payed less than the base price of this for my 2019 WRX premium with the sport package (the red and black STI interior with recaro seats and upgraded brake pads) including delivery cost. I'll keep the manual transmission, better interior, great infotainment, and AWD for a cheaper price thank you very much.
I had 2013 FR-S (first model year) and put about 70K miles on it with no issues at all. I only had to do basic maintenance (Oil, brake pads, tires, etc.). I then sold it to my friend and he had to replace the clutch at 97K miles. That's pretty good considering that was my first manual car as well as his first manual too. I've had no issues with my WRX (granted I'm at 13K miles). From what I've read the FA20 is very reliable (especially compared to the EJ25) and my experience backs that up.
I'm here watching a review of a model which is not even imported in the country I live in. I’m here cause I really appreciate your cinematography (truly top notch) and the degree of technicalities inside your reviews. Moreover you always put every single piece of evaluation into a market perspective, so I am getting to know more about consumer market in the US. Keep up with your good job!
Having previously owned a Camry for 15 years the comment you made at the 11:34 mark defines the Camry best: "Nothing stands out here that's great in any single way and to me that's what's great about this for the traditional Camry buyer." So true. That's what makes the Camry such a great car. For me it performed like a Swiss watch that always did what I needed it to do and never let me down. When you add up all the things that it does well enough and although mostly not exciting, remarkable or particularly memorable, it does add up to a satisfying ownership and driving experience.
They half did a Fusion Sport. The regular Camry is closer to sporty than the regular Fusion, so it didn't need as much changed, but at least the Fusion sport was AWD with ABS LSD.
First thing I said when they announced this thing, “no lsd?” Hopefully Toyota thinks on it and has a refresh. Hopefully Honda see’s the sales of the TRD and gives us an Accord Si with an lsd
I'm shamelessly in love with my Accord 2.0T Sport manual. It goes about it's business in secret doing 0-60 runs in the mid 5 seconds while handling like a "family" sedan has no business handling like. It doesn't have glitzy badges, blacked out this and that or extra aero. The Accord is comfortable in its own modest skin while the Toyota has to shout for attention. I'll take the nimble, fast, "sleeper" sans boat anchor anchor V-6 under the hood.
The whole concept of performance automatics is contradictory to me. I think you have the top choice in the segment. Toyota should use a tiny fraction of its $billions to at least offer a manual .
I love my 2.0T 10AT. The transmission is excellent. Just one $500 tune away from mid 13s. Full bolt ons mid 12s. Make sure to use 93 octane for more horses. Our computers can adjust to it.
I have a 2.0t 2020 manual. Honestly I love that this Camry is available. But they needed a manual or a better auto with limited slip. Also a lot less features than accord. Add a rear sway bar and ur good to go!
Hey mark. I watched your live stream from a few weeks back and you we’re looking at a new car. How come you’re not going with the new Mazda 3? In your Mazda 3 review you really enjoyed that car.
Great review! Yes, the auto mags made it sound like this was some 'clean sheet' car that was very unlike a Camry. They said the same thing about the Corolla XRS hatch, which was also a major disappointment from an enthusiast's standpoint. So glad this channel exists.
Its a great car for young dads and rideshare drivers where they feel like theyre getting something cooler than a regular camry without really compromising what the car needs to be, and I think thats ok too, especially when other really sporty options exist as well
@@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811 GR Supra is of course nicer, but that's not an upgrade. But there's a GR Yaris coming and that has some seriously expensive upgrades, it seems. Carbon fiber roof, proper racing brakes and such.
camry and racing development go in a sentence like peterbilt and autocross, to add insult to injury it looks like it was designed by a 10 year old playing NFS Underground 2, mostly I hate that spoiler so much words cant describe, they should have just copied bmw and every other sporty saloon maker and stuck a lip spoiler on there
Dariune your complaint about spoiler was identical to mine, it's obvious to everyone but designers at Toyota. Would feel right at home if this was 2004.
Fact is that it sells. Folks don't need 600hp. At 31k you get 300hp, a car that still has daily useability. Folks want their midlife crisis cars cheaper and cheaper. This will keep your lower skill folks in cars they can handle. Not to mention the Germans do not come close to offering similar power levels at this price point. Hell BMW, Audi and Merc all need you spending well over 45k to get any power over 255hp. Suffice to say for many this will work really well. For enthusiasts out there, well you won't have any hesitation suggesting this to your dad or grandfather while you spend on a quicker or nicer machine. Fact is this gives casuals what they want. Sporty looking, decentish power, and that's plenty. All in all that's perfect for so many.
I used to work at a Toyota Dealership back in the day when the Camry was last offered with a manual V6 combo. The manual models were a different beast than the automatic. It could put down a lot of power and torque. It could chirp the tires all the way to 3rd gear. That was truly a fun car to drive.
This is legit for a everyday sedan. The most sporty car in its class hands down missing a manual but the chassis upgrades combined with the lighter wheels larger brakes an aerial kit and all the other changes makes this a legit enthusiast car. This only family sedan with personality Sorry Mazda 6 and Accord. For the price this can’t be beat no other car in its class offer any of these upgrades. Good stuff Toyota now lets take it a step further and make a GR Camry. Also it sounds badass with the TRD better then the Honda V6 more smooth and refined. ALSO I agree on not putting the LSD on this car that was a big mistake and that drop from 1st gear to 2nd gear really kills the speed. This car could have really been a legit performance sedan but I agree they purposely didn’t go all out. But even with this this TRD Camry is still the best in class.
I am picky about cars....specially interior materials, and I like european cars most. Currently driving an E Class. But i'll say this: for that price, this gotta be the most value car you'll ever gonna get and it's the smartest decision long-run too ! Interiors look decent enough, there's good tech and exterior design too...I just can't find flaws in a car that's 31k $ with a V6 and looks like this. This and the new Corvette C8 are the value *KINGS* imo
If Camry was available with a manual transmission, I would buy it over an Accord. And the TRD Camry would really have been exclusive with a manual transmission! Preferably with the naturally aspirated v6 but at least with the 2.5L four cylinder.
I think it's actually cool for the older guy who maybe isn't into cars and this might make start him as a car guy. And the cheapest way you can get a v6 I would test drive one if I was in the market. Edit I see there is no lsd and same engine trans tuning. I think with a refresh they will change that with the amount they are selling.
The single biggest issue seems to be the absence of an LSD. The “performance-inspired” case could be made with that included. Same issue the “one-tire-fire” 2.0t 6MT Accord has. Well, if you added your own LSD, and changed the final drive ratio while you were in there, maybe these would be Sporty.
If they offered this car wit ha stick shift and especially with AWD, it would actually have a place as an enthusiast vehicle. Something in the same vein as a Mazdaspeed 6 GT or Galant VR4 for the modern age. Great engine in a good looking car, held back for real enthusiast driving by the drive train after the engine. Nice review as always.
Toyota should make a TRD Pro version of this with an LSD and possibly a bigger rear sway bar for those that DO want to take it to the track or autox. Maybe even have a better summer tire like the Bridgestone S007A. Hell, electronic shocks and a valved exhaust are the trends right now for current performance cars. Toyota has potential to take this Camry TRD far if they would just have the balls to release something a real enthusiast wants. There are people out there that will buy this Camry TRD and go "You know, I want a better handling car/something more" and end up trading it in.
Great review. At 7:56 can you magine if you'd floored that Camry TRD? 🤣 I hope Toyota is listening to the improvements to be made. Esp limited slip diff and tall 2nd gear.
I prefer the XSE v6 with TRD mods to match the Camry TRD. That way I get the best of both worlds. Top end features with TRD bits I wonder if you can get an aftermarket lsd on this thing
BASITH PH i agree ! i didn’t think about it till now but the v6 is only available in the xse and xle which is in the near 40k range but now you can get it for Se prices
In the shoppe, and Turbowski isn't even mentioned; it's the end of an era ladies and gents.
I wanted a RWD V6 Camry, so I bought a used IS350 F-sport.
Jason Young Lex GS is more comparable in size
Jason Young where is turbowski?
he brought him up in a livestream Q&A a few weeks ago saying they have stuff planned but that "they were practicing social distancing"
Yeah I’m looking at the is350 f sport as well. It’s absolutely fun to drive. I loved every minute in that car :)
@@pvtcmyers87 go get it!!
Yeah, but being able to tell your friends your Camry has the same tires as a Ferrari Enzo (and a Fiesta ST) is priceless.
noobasdfjkl how did you post a comment 16 hours ago when the video came out 2 hours ago?
@@chocolatewheelchair Magic
chocolatewheelchair he probably released the video 19 hours ago but then made it private maybe to edit it or something and then reposted it and before he made it private this guy commented.
@@MrMoose-mf1oy Patreon contributers get early access to reviews while they're still private.
I mean you can put any tires on any car.
I put Sport Cup 2's on my Fiero. MY FIERO HAS THE SAME TIRES AS A BOOGATI CHAYYRONNN
I feel like some people will rag on these cars, but in my opinion, it's a good looking car at a good price. Most people THINK they want a sports car, but this is really all they need.
this is true. Most people need at max 250hp. This is more than that, and its still practical, economical, easy to maintain, and PLENTY fast. i would say more than half of car enthusiasts cant even afford one of these anyway, so its all talk and no walk.
True though, they always rave on about how car's are considered slow when the car itself had 200+ horsepower, etc. Also the Camry TRD is about having a sporty feel family car, not a full on sportscar that's uncomfortable to haul people around.
@@HNRichard it says Camry on the badge, if you want a Toyota sports car they have the 86 and Supra in the same show room. Toyota is about options, the question shouldn't be why, it should be how much more can they add?
Exactly
the manual 2.0t is a better "sporty" car for the price, and has a manual too
Basically it’s a “sports” car for the non-car guy or it’s a daily driver for a real car guy
Ryan Neville I agree. I own one and For me, I qualify it as a “sporty” car.
Big Poutine those are great looking cars, I’d definitely look into owning one someday
Nailed it 👌🏼
Good daily to keep miles off your good german cars.
This thing is a big cruiser, it is not sporty is any way lol
I'd rather be "John Camry" than "Ed Equinox" any day. It's still a front drive family sedan with some exterior attitude, nothing more. It's $31K with a 300 hp V-6! Great value.
Wish they did a simple trunk lip spoiler instead of that ridiculous wing. Would have made it more sleel
@@AireJayy I agree 100%. Everytime I see that back end I wish it had that lip spoiler...
@@AireJayy Agree- the rear spoiler is a disaster.
Nah most likely u going to be Ahmed the uber driver
id rather be Al the 2.0t, 6mt Accord driver
"Brakes are a little bit more touchy"
*engages ABS*
Isn't ABS engaged by default?
@@tigerbalm666 The clip he showed after he said that looked like he slammed on the brakes causing the ABS to engage.
@@tigerbalm666 "They're so touchy that I activated ABS just by putting my foot on the pedal" XD
Didn’t know Toyota had a partnership with Walmarts aftermarket accessories divison
*savage*
I really don't get the appeal of making your car look like something out of a tacky Fast and Furious movie just because it has extra performance. I love my Mazda6 Turbo because it looks elegant, but will catch some asshole in an F-250 by surprise by how quick it is.
ezekiel1hen I’ll be honest I raced my f150 with a tune against an Avalon and lost. My asshole-ness has been erased and will never come back.
I love them trd rims, man. You sound like a yota hater
@@tinhinnh I like the looks of the car but it does look riced in all honesty. How much of a performance increase did they give it anyway? I haven't watched the vid yet, and I hope its nothing like the avalon trd.
7:55 Shocked that cop didn't freak out over this track day monster on the road and arrest you.
He should've tried to race and outrun the explorer. That would be a good addition to this video lol.
Even a cop knows a Camry with a spoiler is still a Camry
Cop probably smoked too many 86s to even think twice about a Toyota badged car.
They almost did, until they realized it s a Camry
I wonder why they got passed. Was the cop curious or just being rude?
“You can’t have everything”
No. Reality of consumer automotive purchases:
“You don’t NEED everything”
2016 accord sport 2.4L 198hp beautiful car with 19" rims
Yes I do need the AI assisted automatic closing trunk lid with variable shade window tint. I NEED IT
My grandpa's three quarters life crisis is in love with this car.
Why?
@7:59 did the Cop stop you guys for filming????
the way cop served around aggressively and got behind the camera car. There is 110% they got ticketed for an open door/seat belt violation. You know keeping society safe from these violent criminals!
GSHeverything _27 @savagegeese?
@@eeshunique Either that or the cop is just passing people like an asshole, tailgating them so they speed up, or recognized them and got silly.
Man, that cop was coming fast too
The northwest burbs of Chicago is notorious for jerk cops.
This is an AMAZING car, especially at this price point. It even looks better in person. For someone with a family and a limited budget where you need a car for the family and groceries but at the same time you want to have something that will put a smile on your face every time you drive it, the Camry TRD hits a nice sweet spot. Combine all that with that legendary Toyota quality which means you will have a car that will outlast its warranty and you have an AMAZING car. The ONLY thing that prevented me from putting this on my shortlist was that it did not come in a manual :( If this Camry TRD came in a manual I would be working hard to try to find a way to fit it in my garage. As was said in the video I also think an LSD would do wonders in this car. Well done Toyota! I hope they sell a ton of these to show even at $30,000 people want good looks, good value, and good performance. You really get a lot of car for your money here.
The only thing that holds me back from a TRD is my desperation for heated seats/steering wheel. If it came with that I’d probably have one already.
The open diff on the Camry and Accord Sport absolutely 99.99% kills the sporty aspect of these cars. Very disappointed this is basically a cosmetic kit :(
Do Accord 6MT coupes have a limited slip?
Myles Swann the coupe hasn’t existed since the last generation.
@@mylesswann530 My accord 6mt coupe (9th gen) does not. And lemme tell you, it fucking needs one lol. Still a great car though
Limited slip diff is overrated unless you are mashing the throttle at full lock. The mk5 GTI has enough torque to overwork the tires and it doesn't have a limited slip diff, or even a brake actuated torque vectoring system.
Do I still have fun with it? Yes I do, on and off the track.
@@mylesswann530 The Accord does not have an LDS but it can be upgraded with the same LSD from the Civic Type-R. Check out this video for more info: th-cam.com/video/XeS4yhT5qHk/w-d-xo.html
When is the piano black interior trend going to end? Nobody's impressed, please make it stop.
Most of Lexus products don’t have it, but unfortunately you can have it in the ultra premium Audi A8.
I’m impressed. It makes me feel like I’m piloting a Steinway concert graaaaaannnd down the highway.
@@terry947 This is true.
Imagine what it's going to look like a decade from now on the used car market.
When the piano no longer black in common
Looks great, but that rear wing is hideous. A simple color matched flush small duckbill would suit this much better. A small 20 hp bump should be mandatory for a TRD model.
Rear "wing" looks as though it is straight out of a JC Whitney catalog.
Pete Quinones even way shorter gears would’ve made this car better but they’re painfully long for a low torque engine
I think the rear wing looks great
I wouldn't say it's hideous but I would say it adds drag, it adds weight, it adds cost, and it is unnecessary. It just screams boy racer to me.
Pete Quinones this car is an appearance package with slight lowering springs and “retuned” feel
The baby seems impressed with the touch surfaces!
The way those "influencers" were holding the steering wheel in the TRD promo video is pure cringe. I guess that's why I see so many folks my age and younger holding the steering wheel like they've got scoliosis.
You're not talking about Kyle Busch, right?
@@evac311 I guess I am? He holds a steering wheel bad. Race cars don't have airbags to throw the arm into the face.
“Left hand at 12 o’clock. Right hand on my main squeeze.”
They're not "influencers." They are real life race car drivers. Kyle Busch and Martin Truex Jr. are two of Nascar's best current drivers with 3 championships between the two, and Hailie Deegan is the most hyped up and comer in Nascar. Driving cars is their life and job. They know how to keep a car under control without much effort.
@@TekuTaurus LMAO Nascar drivers are not real "racers" Nascar and drag racing are like folks who only do free trows vs actually playing basketball..... The hardest Motorsports are rallying, then f1/ Sports car endurance racing....... You act like if he's Walter Rohrl, Senna, Hans Stuck, Dereck bell, Pedro Rodriguez, Schummacher....etc...etc... That's why the ass**le doesn't know how to handle a steering wheel properly...........
Now grandparents can wear their baseball caps sideways and talk about drifting.
Gorilla Jones don’t forget the monster energy stickers
@@xdunejunkiex Type R, for rheumatoid arthritis.
That would be the avalon trd
Nah that's the Avalon
Saurabh Kulkarni Nope, Camry is the old people car for the masses. Only people who golf own Avalons.
As someone who has spent 6 months fixing an 05 beater Camry in a place where parts are hard to come by or expensive to import, things like mechanical hvac controls make life a lot easier.
Any TRD labeled Toyota should come with an optional supercharger, imo.
@D.O.A. dont think they have one for this
they do have one for the tundra afaik
supercharger on this would make it faster but worsen the torque steer
It needs a LSD before a supercharger.
Shaiyan Hossain They discontinued the factory supercharger option for the tundra years ago sadly. My opinion would be the trd camry and avalon should be awd with the v6 and closer gear ratios. Get the 0-60 to the 4.X second area would be well enough to justify the badge.
Toyota has been listening to the wrong people for a long time. First, they messed up the Taco and 4-runner by making them too big. Then there was the FJ 40 without a removable top and horrible visibility. They took the supercharger option away. Come on Toyota, get it together. Why don't they have performance versions of their most popular vehicles like every other manufacturer. Honda has the Civic SI's and Type R. Come on Toyota, get it together. lol
They have TRD on tacomas! Lol Thats cute! SMH!
I know I'm dreaming but if this had a 6-speed manual and an LSD it would be an ultra attractive proposition.
Toyota didnt care about making this an actual sport sedan.
They just added some crap and hoped to charge a premium .
And totally agree.
This is why an 02 Maxima is a much better car than this.
Man I miss my Maxima
Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to make good quality car review videos.
Ok there alfred
Some men just want to have gay sex all day too
Never thought a Camary would have a TRD package but then again, it's 2020 so sounds like anything's possible.
Never thought the Avalon would 😂
2:53 and that window sounds like a lexus lfa. sold!
It needs a manual option with LSD.
Yes. Like the 02-03 Nissan Maxima!
04-07 TL was the same. LSD's are so underrated sadly.
@@d1sturb3d119 Agreed! Miss my 07 type S
even the supra doesnt have a manual, what makes you think they will put one in a camry, for a few model years? haha
@@tinhinnh They won't. Folks ask for it but it never sells. For all the GT86's sold only 33% were manuals. Most folks want auto's for the real world while claiming they won't buy a car if it doesn't have a manual online.
“Don’t worry jack, I’ll have you home in time for your swordfish dinner” lmfao 8:19
Love the video. As informative as ever. I expected you to say that the suspension made it handle ALOT better than cars in its class or even the base Camry. I am going to test drive it in 8 months when I’m ready to lease again, and if I can break away from buying a SUV... thanks for the honesty and attention to detail with your reviews.
13:59 "Second gear is so tall".Yep, it sounds like passing from 1st to 3rd gear.
Practical item on the con list - the rear seats don’t fold down like on the regular Camry. Something about extra structural bracing or what not back there. If the trunk is big enough on its own for you then no biggie.
"yO BrO It'S GOt a LOtUs ENGinE"
-Every 2GR Camry owner ever
NDash On Cars it’s actually the opposite 😂😂😂 “yO bRo the Evora comes with a camry eNgInE”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS GOT ME DEAD
what you drive kid? civic I'm gonna go with
Art Vandelay does it matter what anyone drives? why the assumptions?
@@ArtVandelayOfficial and you? lotus for sure
Honestly I think it’s great that Toyota made a Camry TRD that’s an affordable fun-to-drive sedan
Makes a good family car
At 40k? A young family won’t have the income to afford this. And a family with 2 kids wouldn’t be shopping for a sedan, they’re going for the 3 row SUV. The XSE was more than enough of a sporty trim package, this..this is embarrassing. It’s as bad as the Civic Type R. It’s trying so hard to be cool and edgy that it comes off as an insult to any car enthusiast. Not to mention no manual or LSD (which I wouldn’t expect anyways) IF it was trying to be serious about its “sporty sedan” intentions. Just drive an Outback or CPO German sedan and accept you’re a middle aged suburban dad.
Matt McNicoll dude first off did you even watch the video? He said it is starting at $31k that’s nowhere near $40k plus also I admit no manual nor LSD can be a dealbreaker but who knows the Camry TRD could get a LSD as part of the update
And also the Civic Type R is not bad yes it does look edgy but remember there are more uglier cars out there like the new Camaro
And of course it is practical as it seats 4 people and has plenty of boot space
And not every family with 2 kids will go straight to a three row SUV
Some will look at sedans some will look at wagons
@@constructionbootgazer yeah but a Civic Type R makes actual sports cars sweat on track. It's not being marketed as something it's not. Regardless of what you think about its looks. And if you think a CTR it's an embarrassment I'd invite you to get slapped around by one around a road course. This is something else. 31k is not bad compared to a lot of new cars but considering how little enthusiasts precense Toyota has, something with a TRD badge that is not a truck these days just honestly isn't for anyone other than a Kool aid drinking Toyota fan (and this is coming from someone with a a TuRD Pro truck). Sad thing is they won't have trouble moving them, but I suspect they won't get any crosshoppers or anyone used to dailying an actual fun car. TLDR you have some valid points but you're definitely wrong about your comparison with segment leading hot hatch.
But it's not fun to drive though. It drives like any other Camry. Something like the old Ford Mondeo ST (XR5) with the 5-cylinder turbo Volvo engine and manual transmission only is much more on the mark.
For me, Toyota nailed this car. I’m not a full blown car enthusiast. Being from the North east and wanting to keep a car for 10 - 20 years, this is perfect. Same tuning and components (so just as reliable) as the Camry but appearance only changes. That’s all I would want and I’m glad they got rid of the unnecessary high end features that don’t matter imo. I hope they keep it for longer. It’s semi affordable still and gives you a few extra goodies while maintaining the Toyota parts and tuning of the legendary Camry. A good daily car. Personally, it’s more fun and economical to buy a motorcycle instead of a sports car for when I want to tool around and have fun.
RIP the "Without Scott Turbowski" subtitle
Whatever happened to him? I heard he got Covid19 but no one has been able to confirm.
makes me sad. I know he works a lot, but damn.
After this, I'm just expecting the Prius TRD
There is a Prius TRD that came out last year, I think.
@@wvusmc really, I was joking
@@gianfrancoa Prius TuRD. Boy your dreaming big. Lol🚗😆😆
gianfrancoa basically a 4 door LaFerrari
@@ervin7178 lipstick on a Camry
Seriously considered this car in January. Opted for a 2017 Lexus IS300 F Sport (used) for $25k. Much better look and enjoyment driving the Lexus F Sport V6
To each his own, but I'd never choose used over new. Enjoy the jizz the previous owner left on the seat for you. Probably wiped herpes all over the steering wheel and controls as a bonus.
@@nodak81 hahaha bro I laughed out loud. Sounds like something my dad would say. I love the banter
Oh my good geesus, the car gods have answered my prayers and let a real one review the TRD, havent watched the vid yet cuz of this commercial but in anticipation I cant believe this is getting reviewed by you.
Is there a wing-delete option?
USARAY1947 my first question. Otherwise I like it... as a 21 year old
I kinda hate the wing as well. The rest looks stunning.
Just get it in black or gray.
CashK Enterprises haha, any 21 year old would look at this and laugh as they drive away in their civic/86/sti. Or they would be scared the neighbour next door is trying to hang out with them.
Matt McNicoll well my neighbor is schizophrenic and threatened to murder me, so you’re right on one aspect😅
I think this stacks up nicely against the upcoming Sonata N Line. Main reason to choose this is the excellent exhaust sound and V6 powertrain.
Hopefully the "boy racer" wing can be ordered as a "delete".
That wing is awful, cant get past it.
Paul S had a 05 legacy last year and it started rod knocking after only a few months of having it with around 145,000 miles Now have a 2010 Camry with 165,000 miles with 0 issues Will never get anything other than Toyota again.
Man, it's the TRD poser styling pack and the wing looks nice and fits the idea, but how can you not ask for a brake caliper recolor??
They're literally drawing attention to themselves pretending to be hot stuff but it makes it more obvious that they're not.
i gotta say the TRD Camry is a really, really good looking car but leaving out the LSD is such a huge setback. no manual option pretty much separates this car from real enthusiasts as well
Would an enthusiast buy a comfy Camry, though? Seems to be that a manual+LSD would only make sense if Toyota also implemented the other tweaks that Goose had grievances about.
For those having a mid life crisis but still want to make a reasonable decision
You're thinking about a used Lexus.
@@jasonyoung6420 used GS350 :D
7:58 the TRD package also comes with increased attention by the law enforcement, the gangsta package if you will
I payed less than the base price of this for my 2019 WRX premium with the sport package (the red and black STI interior with recaro seats and upgraded brake pads) including delivery cost. I'll keep the manual transmission, better interior, great infotainment, and AWD for a cheaper price thank you very much.
@Paul S Toyota reliability died 6 years ago, you Toyota freaks are afraid to speak about that. Nothing but plastic parts in the engine 😂🥱
I had 2013 FR-S (first model year) and put about 70K miles on it with no issues at all. I only had to do basic maintenance (Oil, brake pads, tires, etc.). I then sold it to my friend and he had to replace the clutch at 97K miles. That's pretty good considering that was my first manual car as well as his first manual too. I've had no issues with my WRX (granted I'm at 13K miles). From what I've read the FA20 is very reliable (especially compared to the EJ25) and my experience backs that up.
I'm here watching a review of a model which is not even imported in the country I live in. I’m here cause I really appreciate your cinematography (truly top notch) and the degree of technicalities inside your reviews. Moreover you always put every single piece of evaluation into a market perspective, so I am getting to know more about consumer market in the US. Keep up with your good job!
Having previously owned a Camry for 15 years the comment you made at the 11:34 mark defines the Camry best: "Nothing stands out here that's great in any single way and to me that's what's great about this for the traditional Camry buyer." So true. That's what makes the Camry such a great car. For me it performed like a Swiss watch that always did what I needed it to do and never let me down. When you add up all the things that it does well enough and although mostly not exciting, remarkable or particularly memorable, it does add up to a satisfying ownership and driving experience.
They half did a Fusion Sport. The regular Camry is closer to sporty than the regular Fusion, so it didn't need as much changed, but at least the Fusion sport was AWD with ABS LSD.
The TRD just reminds me of how good the old Altima SE-R was back in the day.
3:54 baby's foot
18:18 baby hand!
Actually, that's Deadpool making a brief cameo.
First thing I said when they announced this thing, “no lsd?” Hopefully Toyota thinks on it and has a refresh. Hopefully Honda see’s the sales of the TRD and gives us an Accord Si with an lsd
Slow sellers. Especially now with covid 19
At least the Accord 2.0L can be modified by using the same LSD used in the Civic Type-R. It actually drops in without any modifications.
Beautiful cinematography....oh yeah - it's a TH-cam video...better than many movies I've seen! Excellent work!
The best thing is , it doesn't cost billions :)
I'm shamelessly in love with my Accord 2.0T Sport manual. It goes about it's business in secret doing 0-60 runs in the mid 5 seconds while handling like a "family" sedan has no business handling like. It doesn't have glitzy badges, blacked out this and that or extra aero. The Accord is comfortable in its own modest skin while the Toyota has to shout for attention. I'll take the nimble, fast, "sleeper" sans boat anchor anchor V-6 under the hood.
The whole concept of performance automatics is contradictory to me. I think you have the top choice in the segment. Toyota should use a tiny fraction of its $billions to at least offer a manual .
I love my 2.0T 10AT. The transmission is excellent. Just one $500 tune away from mid 13s. Full bolt ons mid 12s. Make sure to use 93 octane for more horses. Our computers can adjust to it.
I have a 2.0t 2020 manual. Honestly I love that this Camry is available. But they needed a manual or a better auto with limited slip. Also a lot less features than accord. Add a rear sway bar and ur good to go!
Should of gave it AWD and a 6 speed manual.
And a 25-50 horse bump
This is Toyota guys.
But that would make it good... and this is a Toyota.... so you can’t have that.
Manual is dead in north America my friend
And sedans will be next.
Savagegeese is a great example for content makers 😎
Hey mark. I watched your live stream from a few weeks back and you we’re looking at a new car. How come you’re not going with the new Mazda 3? In your Mazda 3 review you really enjoyed that car.
Great review! Yes, the auto mags made it sound like this was some 'clean sheet' car that was very unlike a Camry. They said the same thing about the Corolla XRS hatch, which was also a major disappointment from an enthusiast's standpoint. So glad this channel exists.
If it comes with red neon underglow 👌 Exquisite.
LexusReyes you should be at trd marketing
7:56 you got pulled over in the lead follow car :)
They were white though so the cops just gave them a warning.
Its a great car for young dads and rideshare drivers where they feel like theyre getting something cooler than a regular camry without really compromising what the car needs to be, and I think thats ok too, especially when other really sporty options exist as well
It is a Fast n' Furious car that your parents agreed to buy FOR you. The real deal for Toyota performance stuff is now called Gazoo Racing.
@@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811 GR Supra is of course nicer, but that's not an upgrade. But there's a GR Yaris coming and that has some seriously expensive upgrades, it seems. Carbon fiber roof, proper racing brakes and such.
The music and photography is always so good...
Great review as usual
camry and racing development go in a sentence like peterbilt and autocross,
to add insult to injury it looks like it was designed by a 10 year old playing NFS Underground 2, mostly I hate that spoiler so much words cant describe, they should have just copied bmw and every other sporty saloon maker and stuck a lip spoiler on there
Dariune your complaint about spoiler was identical to mine, it's obvious to everyone but designers at Toyota. Would feel right at home if this was 2004.
Fact is that it sells. Folks don't need 600hp. At 31k you get 300hp, a car that still has daily useability. Folks want their midlife crisis cars cheaper and cheaper. This will keep your lower skill folks in cars they can handle. Not to mention the Germans do not come close to offering similar power levels at this price point. Hell BMW, Audi and Merc all need you spending well over 45k to get any power over 255hp. Suffice to say for many this will work really well.
For enthusiasts out there, well you won't have any hesitation suggesting this to your dad or grandfather while you spend on a quicker or nicer machine. Fact is this gives casuals what they want. Sporty looking, decentish power, and that's plenty. All in all that's perfect for so many.
I’d stick with the XSE v6.
Huzzah, a man of culture
if you can find one
Sure for 8k more dollars for the same hp
I've been wondering if this was the year that Toyota were planning to re-launch the Corona model.
that would be poor timing, kinda like when Ford marketed their minivan showing a similar profile to the space shuttle. Then the Challenger blew up.
@@dougrobinson8602 Wasn't built on the Pinto chassis by any chance?
I think the Camry TRD is tremendous value for a garden variety family sedan at $31k, I personally would spend a little more and get TRD Avalon.
It's a TRD all its missing is U
🤣🤝
TRDU
TuRD
Go drive your dodge fart
martian man great car. Dodge Fart. A true legend
The smile on his face as he says Camry and TRD on the same sentence sums it all up for me...
No limited slip and no shorter gears? Cmon
Loving these frequent uploads.
4:36 it’s not without scout turboski..... where did he go!!!!
I'm curious too
House arrest
He's not coming back
@@matt4398 elaborate? :(
I drove a V6 XSE and I loved it, but the car was ultimately just too big for city living. The 4 banger is pretty slow, but the V6 was genuinely fun.
I used to work at a Toyota Dealership back in the day when the Camry was last offered with a manual V6 combo. The manual models were a different beast than the automatic. It could put down a lot of power and torque. It could chirp the tires all the way to 3rd gear. That was truly a fun car to drive.
This is legit for a everyday sedan.
The most sporty car in its class hands down missing a manual but the chassis upgrades combined with the lighter wheels larger brakes an aerial kit and all the other changes makes this a legit enthusiast car. This only family sedan with personality Sorry Mazda 6 and Accord. For the price this can’t be beat no other car in its class offer any of these upgrades. Good stuff Toyota now lets take it a step further and make a GR Camry. Also it sounds badass with the TRD better then the Honda V6 more smooth and refined.
ALSO I agree on not putting the LSD on this car that was a big mistake and that drop from 1st gear to 2nd gear really kills the speed. This car could have really been a legit performance sedan but I agree they purposely didn’t go all out. But even with this this TRD Camry is still the best in class.
I am picky about cars....specially interior materials, and I like european cars most. Currently driving an E Class.
But i'll say this: for that price, this gotta be the most value car you'll ever gonna get and it's the smartest decision long-run too !
Interiors look decent enough, there's good tech and exterior design too...I just can't find flaws in a car that's 31k $ with a V6 and looks like this.
This and the new Corvette C8 are the value *KINGS* imo
If Camry was available with a manual transmission, I would buy it over an Accord. And the TRD Camry would really have been exclusive with a manual transmission! Preferably with the naturally aspirated v6 but at least with the 2.5L four cylinder.
Coming from a 2018 CHR and upgrading to the 2021 TRD. Everything is an upgrade and thats morethan enough for me
# 4 The gloss black reflects bright sun.
If one wants a sporty sedan, what would be the reason not to pick a Kia Stinger instead? Aside from the badge, of course.
I think it's actually cool for the older guy who maybe isn't into cars and this might make start him as a car guy. And the cheapest way you can get a v6 I would test drive one if I was in the market.
Edit I see there is no lsd and same engine trans tuning. I think with a refresh they will change that with the amount they are selling.
I'm glad you two are doing your part with social distancing...good luck.
5:56
Wooden block. Wait, what?..
Someone left behind a big block of TRD
Yeah that's crazy
@@joshuawalker6312 Savage geese easteregg.
Thanks Mark for keeping the same “in the Shoppe” music! Love it.
0:09 YO it has the 720s whistle on acceleration 😂
Adam Rozman the whistle means game over to THe competition
I actually like the looks of this. Bolder than a lot of the competition
When Toyota puts the 5.7 under the hood I'll buy one.
that’s the Lexus IS F for you
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
@@kngofdestiny Remember when this joke was funny for exactly 27 minutes back in 2019?
Nah what it needs is a transverse mounted northstar v8
@@EminentLine No I don't. I found that Wendy's comment funny. Lol
The single biggest issue seems to be the absence of an LSD. The “performance-inspired” case could be made with that included. Same issue the “one-tire-fire” 2.0t 6MT Accord has.
Well, if you added your own LSD, and changed the final drive ratio while you were in there, maybe these would be Sporty.
I wish Toyota would make a Camry wagon again because wagons > crossovers all day, everyday.
crossovers? 😂 um yea no! Sport sedans all day everyday!
These will be great in a 2 car family household
18:17 dafq
Mini geese!
lmaoo😂😂😂
This is the ultimate car for people who know nothing about cars but want to look cool.
Finally some good content on youtube 😃😃
If they offered this car wit ha stick shift and especially with AWD, it would actually have a place as an enthusiast vehicle. Something in the same vein as a Mazdaspeed 6 GT or Galant VR4 for the modern age. Great engine in a good looking car, held back for real enthusiast driving by the drive train after the engine. Nice review as always.
RIP Turbowski
Riccardo Spadano is he just gone or did he actually die
yeah what?
Toyota should make a TRD Pro version of this with an LSD and possibly a bigger rear sway bar for those that DO want to take it to the track or autox. Maybe even have a better summer tire like the Bridgestone S007A. Hell, electronic shocks and a valved exhaust are the trends right now for current performance cars. Toyota has potential to take this Camry TRD far if they would just have the balls to release something a real enthusiast wants. There are people out there that will buy this Camry TRD and go "You know, I want a better handling car/something more" and end up trading it in.
Great review. At 7:56 can you magine if you'd floored that Camry TRD? 🤣 I hope Toyota is listening to the improvements to be made. Esp limited slip diff and tall 2nd gear.
I prefer the XSE v6 with TRD mods to match the Camry TRD. That way I get the best of both worlds. Top end features with TRD bits
I wonder if you can get an aftermarket lsd on this thing
It’s great that at $31k, the Camry TRD is a bargain for a new car and it’s fun to drive
Puts that V6 to good use!
BASITH PH i agree ! i didn’t think about it till now but the v6 is only available in the xse and xle which is in the near 40k range but now you can get it for Se prices
Miguel V yeah it’s a good deal!
Something tells me you really like Toyotas ;-)
Dan Dan I do we had two Camrys in the family
Currently we got a 2011 Camry we bought from a friend and it’s a good car
I do want a Supra tho
Pretty much no discount for TRD, meanwhile XLE and XSE v6 also goes for 31-32k everyday at my dealership after discounts.
They made the world’s most reliable family car fun. For those of you who haven’t driven a car from the ‘80s, even the XLE model is an incredible car.
When Bob rolls up to the office in his new trd camry;
"Whoa... Looks like we got us a badass over here."
Turbowski's hand looked so baby like at the end. Awww.
95% sure this will be my brother in law's next car
'Let me roll up this glass for some privacy.' Brilliant understated humor, since you're all alone in the park!