Don't reduce the matter to such a naive point of view.. Nevertheless, it must've been a struggle for the editors of this clip to find 3 minutes without tremendous embarassement for the BPO...
Celibidache was most at home with first-class student orchestras. They were more receptive to his teaching. He wasn't just interested in rehearsing: he wanted above all to teach.
Great zoom at the lady on the Violin II, it completely reflects a section player under such a stress being in the orchestra which pays decently yet not making music for herself. It comes down to total dedication and sacrifice to be in a orchestra.
0:55 It looked like that french horn player wanted to jump over to strangle Celibidache and the other players surrounding him were trying calm him down.
There is a huge story behind Celi and Berlin caused by Karajan after Furtwängler. And the Berliner are well known till nowadays to be a very challenging orchestra. Excellent but very challenging, driving conductors nuts. This is what you get when you have to many soloists playing in an orchestra.
Celi offered them many rehearsals ...and karahan offered them many reccordings. the truth(secret) lies within. dirty stuff...we dont even know. Celi could have sat next to.kings and emperors.....
@@dcar6530 i dont know brother.. kaiser here is some pork smoked meat. tasty. karajan was very good at mixing the maionaise with his left hand. not in Celi's ckass...not by a long shot
Sigourney Weaver had it with the cello, ghosts in her apartment, and NYC living and duly took up the violin, won the job in Berlin and up and moved to Germany where she just CAN'T with this conductor anymore..
the players reaction completely shows why they have chosen "Dear Maestro Claudio Abbado". Abbado loved the philharmonic and players loved him too. and above all i completely missed you dear Claudio..
He is known for making the auditorium hear evrey note. Because of the rehershals that were so long he was an expensive conductor for the Orchestras. People say if he would have been an animal, he would have been a turtle! I really love Celibidache
vladiinsky aha!! A man with an open mind! Magnanimous and ostentatious admission the he may be wrong, followed immediately by a strenuous denial that he is. The epitome of open mindedness!! Hahahaha!!!
Was that second violinist chewing gum LOL! She also had that look like, "you want more seconds? I'll give you more, but with terrible sound and bow direction."
Esse é o cara!!!! Um gênio!!! Extrai até o último nuance da passagem!!! Expressão máxima da música! Cuidado, minuciosidade (imprescindíveis - ainda mais em se tratando de Bruckner). EXTRAORDINÁRIO!!! Bravíssimo!!! Não teria o ensaio completo?
@@pistol625 karajan was one of the really great conductors of 2nd half of the 20th century. He was not limited to Mahler and Brahms. He guided the berliner philhamoniker to great success and worldwide recognition. I am not a fan of Karajan but I greatly respect his artistic competence and dedication.
38 years after that episode a revenge makes no sense. Nobody from that era was in the orchestra anymore. I simply think that Celibidache wants to show (and maybe to teach) a different way to make music and his ideas about playing Bruckner. But no revenge. Instead, at the beginning of the rehearsals he praised the BPO for their achievements and consistency during the decades.
Their collaboration that led to the rendition of Bruckner 7 in 1992 was neither the orchestra's nor Celi's idea. FRG president Richard von Weizsäcker made both parties an offer they could not refuse. And Celi accepted under the condition that he would get twice as many rehearsals as usual. The orchestra must have known that a role in this "The Triumphant Return of Sergiu Celibidache" drama was forced upon them, the cameras being pointed at them from the first rehearsal and everything. You can guess that the chewing gum was a deliberate act, maybe even a statement in favour of the unique democratic constitution of the Berlin Philharmonic.
Double the rehearsal time? No wonder they looked in despair of him lol, they were unlikely to have been paid extra That said, Celi would've needed that long to get them to play Bruckner even halfway to what he would've wanted.
Ye, any other conductor would have had just 2-3 rehearsals, if they were lucky. Mind you, this is a piece the Berlin Philharmonic are probably familiar with. Celibidache asked and got 6 rehearsals, which is equivalent to 18 hours of rehearsal.
Celi was used to conducting radio orchestra, if my memory serves me correctly. There, they have plenty of rehearsal time. I think that's why he asked for more rehearsals...
I wonder how much of this was play-acting for the cameras. Celibidache was very arrogant and had a large ego, even in his faux humility. On the other hand, for all his faults, his Bruckner performances were quite exceptional. This one, in the concert given after these rehearsals and preserved on video, makes you want to compare all others to it as a reference point.
@@Piflaser I think you should watch some interviews with him. He was arrogant, dismissing other conductors and seeing himself as the sole disciple of truth in music.
@@karldelavigne8134 This is what some people like to think. There were even jokes about that, but I can witness that he was not at all an arrogant person. Very strict in rehearsing but also a fine comrade.
I notice some improbations on the part of some musicians towards Celibidache;-)) But have you ever listened to the rehearsals of Arturo Toscanini? offends the musicians of NBC with bad words!
Abbado attending Toscanini rehearsals. La Scala, I think. He was amazed by Toscanini's talent and technique - but disgusted and appalled at how he treated the musicians.
@@TheStockwell There are recordings available. It is nothing short of shameful. I don't care how good a musical mind he was. Just imagine how great it could have been if had actually RESPECTED his musicians and worked WITH THEM!!
It's a tricky one. I once had a chat with the Bari Sax player in Buddy Rich's Big Band for years, and stories of Buddy's red hot temper were legion. But he brushed it off and said 'Yeah he was a perfectionist,for sure,and despised tardiness, but he always treated us well and looked after us'. This kinda said to me that great musicians leading bands like Buddy Rich and Toscanini were likely absolute perfectionists and horrors in rehearsals, but perhaps it was accepted cos the standards achieved were so high, and stood the test of time, and the gigs & recordings they produced were just of the highest order, which is ultimately what every top pro musician wants to achieve. They must've all known that Toscanini was a git in rehearsals, he was already an old man by the time of that clip and World famous, so they would've heard plenty of stories about him before they joined the Orchestra, and who knows, perhaps plenty of them wanted to join the Orchestra precisely because Toscanini was in charge. They were probably also paid handsomely which, let's be honest, helps a great deal when it comes to dealing with the outbursts lol. All that being said, the behaviour of the Soltis,the Toscaninis, the Reiners and the Celibidaches of this World were very much of their time, conductors can't really behave like that on the circuit these days, and get away with it.
Von jedem hätte sich dieses Orchester sicherlich nicht so behandeln lassen. Vielleicht wären Furtwängler und Karajan (oder der grantelnde Böhm) damit auch noch durchgekommen. Aber: Celi hat ja auch innerhalb der Parameter seiner sehr einzigen Interpretation unbedingt recht. Wenn er „übernehmen“ ruft, dann trifft er damit eben für diese Stelle genau ins Schwarze. Am Ende des Tages ist es gerade diese sehr breite Interpretation, die ich mir für Bruckner 7 am liebsten anhöre. Borwitzkys Anstrengungen, seine Gesichtszüge bei den zynischen Bemerkungen über das philharmonische Vibrato nicht komplett entgleisen zu lassen, sind alleine schon dieses Video wert. Zum Glück besitze ich davon die Bluray. Ein Highlight in der Geschichte des Orchesters und in der Interpretationsgeschichte der Bruckner - Symphonien.
I've heard Maestro Abbado once talking how egomaniacal and tyrannical conductors horrified him. His work ethic was the exact opposite, and he was one of the greatest regardless. So don't pay attention to those who say a boss has to be a complete jerk, a good boss is no other thing than a positive leader, that's it.
Forget about this clip. If you know who Celibidache was - his bitter, greater-than-life character, his attitude towards musicians and performers, especially women, and his self-absorbed stance about music, almost to a point where his own mystic interpretation and reasonings precede the music itself - then you know what I'm talking about.
@@Balfour. I know he was one of the greatest musicians of our century. People wish normality but also exceptionalism, all in same. Not always possible.
The look on their faces says it all. “Only two more rehearsals and three concerts with this nut.” A friend once told me his tempos were so slow and his rehearsals so deadly that there was a near revolt.
@@vladiinsky wrong, they are great, but there were many equally wonderful Bruckner conductors. Jochum and Wand in almost all symphonies, Karajan in 7,8 and 9, Solti in the early symphonies... Celibidache nuts worship him like he is some god and don't even get me started on his bullshit philosophical nonsense he spewed. A great Bruckner conductor, nothing more and nothing less.
2:46 hat die Geigerin große Wut und ist der schönste Moment überhaupt, viel besser zu sehen als das unsinnige Schreien von Maestro Celibidache! Danke für die Sendung.
Such a revenge after 40 years! Celi humiliating the Philarmoniker and destroying Karajan's legacy in just a sentence... "Wir sind die Philarmoniker, wir muessen vibrieren".
@@maelperron_guerra4946 He praised the Berliner Philarmoniker and their path through the years and mentioned the fact that many of them are great virtuoso playing in an orchestra. Anyway, such a speech was, in my opinion, only partially true. It could have been a "captatio benevolentiae", a way to create some empathy with the orchestra, because that orchestra had Karajan for 40 years and they all knew what bad things Celibidache thought (and said!) about Karajan. In an interview he defined Karajan "die tragischste Erscheinung aller Dirigenten" (the most tragic figure of a conductor"). After all that, Celibidache needed to create some kind of empathy with an orchestra where all the musicians grew under Karajan's leadership and who presumably worshiped Karajan. So, concluding, maybe Celibidache respected the musicians of the orchestra and somehow also the path that they did, but he never mentioned Karajan in his speech and the things he says during the rehearsals express very clearly his thoughts about the conception of music of the Berliner Philarmoniker.
Interesting, the musicians don't seem to be amused by Celibidache's demeanor and he himself does not seem to be too happy with what he's hearing. Not like the best environment to create top performances.
Great conductor, great musicians, they needed just understand each other, not fight.. can not say more because i don’t know background of these moments which is just a short part of a too long rehearsal...
It is so easy these days for people to feel offended when confronted with passionate authority. But the way Maestro C. works is absolutely perfect, and the results are always beautiful and interesting. It must surely have been a privilege and a joy to work with him. I just have one pet-quibble about string tremolo: Too many players play that as if it were relaxed 16th-notes. When the music is very quiet, a supple wrist certainly allows an exciting, fizzing background sound, but if the music gets louder, the wrist alone doesn't have enough strength for a powerful crescendo, as he wanted from the Second Violins. Then the larger muscles have to come into play. However, that means continuing to play fast notes! Training and much effort are needed!
That woman chewing gum and rolling her eyes towards the end wouldn't last a second under Karajan. SO unprofessional especially given the stature, rightfully high, of Celibidache.
Finally, someone sharing the truth about Celibidache's inhumanity to his fellow musicians in such eloquence. He really doesn't deserved to be revered so much. His Bruckner is grossly off tempo, totally ignoring the wishes of the composer, and still, people worship him like a deity. Everytime I hear some young person telling me how good Celi is, I asked myself, "When will justice come?"
Karajan was known to be extremely brutal in rehearsals as well, and he was despised and hated in his final years at the Berliner Philharmoniker. By this time, they were under Abbado, whose approach in rehearsals could not have been any different to Karajan and Celibidache which is what made him so popular by the musicians
Celibidache mag ein herausragender Musiker gewesen sein, aber diese Arroganz ist kaum zu ertragen und das ist der eigentliche Punkt. Wirklich geniale Musiker haben auch immer Bescheidenheit und Demut ausgestrahlt. Diesen Kult um ihn habe ich nie verstanden, seine Interpretationen zum Maß aller Dinge zu erklären, ist einfach Unsinn. Mit seinen "breiten" Tempi hat er einer ganzen Reihe von Kompositionen auch ihren spezifischen Charakter genommen und hat deshalb am Stück vorbei interpretiert. Auch seine Art zu dirigieren, handwerklich meisterlich, aber despotisch, seine Orchester strahlen für mich nie Freiheit, Individualität und Spielfreude aus. Kult war noch nie gut, es geht immer wieder um das unvoreingenommene Zuhörern und auch Zuschauen!
@@AndreyRubtsovRU what is silly about that? Playing in Berliner doesn't make you an almighty god, obviously the players need genius conductors to make the orchestra sound exceptional. He was right about the phrasing. Ok - the screaming is annoying, but at least the result was great, not average. What do you think great football managers do in the training with world class players? Speak tenderly, not to insult their ego? Might not always be the case, I think. I worked with average conductors who were nice and the concerts were ok, and with a handful of great ones, some of which was pretty annoying in the rehs. But my god I remember only those concerts so well... This guy is remembered by his Bruckner. Who cares if the 1st cello didn't want to be in the rehearsal. I bet he loved the concert!
A true conductor should fight against mannerisms which almost all of orchestras fall into. I really miss another Celibidache who is able to fully control the orchestra
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When zweite violins gather around the campfire, they tell horror stories about Celibidache.
They had to work?
Wonder what horror stories Contrabassi tell about Toscanini...
@@marianmrazik9813 They don't tell any stories at all, just to avoid the 'Nam flashbacks that the mentioning of that name inevitably brings.
@@marianmrazik9813 CONTRABASSI COÑOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE NO EARSS!!! NO EYES!!!
They don't want to work, and don't want the strong talented conductors .
More like: "Celibidache and the Berliner Philharmoniker II: THE REVENGE OF CELI"
Don't reduce the matter to such a naive point of view.. Nevertheless, it must've been a struggle for the editors of this clip to find 3 minutes without tremendous embarassement for the BPO...
哈哈哈genau
Celibidache was most at home with first-class student orchestras. They were more receptive to his teaching. He wasn't just interested in rehearsing: he wanted above all to teach.
Great zoom at the lady on the Violin II, it completely reflects a section player under such a stress being in the orchestra which pays decently yet not making music for herself. It comes down to total dedication and sacrifice to be in a orchestra.
prodipe23 yeah whatever...
@prodipe23 I wonder how many people are driven nuts by that mentality. Dude, just chill. If she sucks, you fire her; you do not need to harrass.
@prodipe23 Respect Beauty! Sigourney Weaver can do exactly whatrever face she sees fit.
Don’t worry. They are able to handle stress. Their audition process is brutal.
Great musicians that made part of my musical Life during two years. Honor and Pride. God Bless this orquestra.
0:55
It looked like that french horn player wanted to jump over to strangle Celibidache and the other players surrounding him were trying calm him down.
It is not every conductor who gets to yell at the Berlin Phil.
Aww!
@@stephenjablonsky1941 Munich phil was better than Berlin.phil back in.the day...
@@ionutzamfir5794 In the Third Reich?
@@ionutzamfir5794never for one minute lol
whats the big deal of yelling? im asain btw
There is a huge story behind Celi and Berlin caused by Karajan after Furtwängler. And the Berliner are well known till nowadays to be a very challenging orchestra. Excellent but very challenging, driving conductors nuts. This is what you get when you have to many soloists playing in an orchestra.
Celi offered them many rehearsals ...and karahan offered them many reccordings. the truth(secret) lies within. dirty stuff...we dont even know. Celi could have sat next to.kings and emperors.....
@@ionutzamfir5794 Celibidache is a high priest, while Karajan is a Kaiser.
@@dcar6530 i dont know brother.. kaiser here is some pork smoked meat. tasty. karajan was very good at mixing the maionaise with his left hand. not in Celi's ckass...not by a long shot
@@dcar6530 belle image ...qui est ''un peu'' vraie !
"Wir sind Philharmonika, wir müssen vibrieren …" ahahah Revenge is a dish best served cold
So many tension and so many angry - bored faces
Have you heard the speech he gave before the rehearsal?
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh they are pissed
No, do you mind talking about it please?
@@GustafGouda No. Tell us
@@GustafGouda no...?
A turtle on tempos, a tiger on rehearsals!
XD
Didn't really like the "turtle" side.
All big cat. You’ve never seen one of them stalking?
La piel se pone de gallina al escuchar a Celibidache dirigir la orquesta.
Sigourney Weaver had it with the cello, ghosts in her apartment, and NYC living and duly took up the violin, won the job in Berlin and up and moved to Germany where she just CAN'T with this conductor anymore..
😂😂😂
The female violinist at 2.46 secs looks really impressed.
LOL she's chewing gum and has that 'don't give a damn" face
I empathize with her and her discomfort at Celibidache's arrogance (great though he was at getting to the essence of a piece).
barbara, was hätte wohl daniel gesagt, wenn du so respektlos geprobt hättest ?
Back desk second
She never had to live such an experience before and she is not ready to have this again for the following years
ZWEITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ERSTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2.45 - that violinist hates her job :D
@@cheekychiko sie soll ihren Job anderen aufgeschlossenen Musiker überlassen und eine Karriere mit Kaugummigeschäft starten.
@@cheekychiko Chewing gum. :)
@@themanamana81 ZWEITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rumors say that zweite were sent to their final destiny ☠
What Celibidache achieved here was quite magical for any lover of Bruckner - whether it's the Berlin Phil or a lesser orchestra
Lástima q no haya más vídeos que muestren la labor del director. ¡Qué fantástico ver a Celibidache preparando una de sus interpretaciones magistrales!
Pretty sure people are reading a lot more into the orchestra's facial expressions than they should.
I keep coming back to this video to check my German learning progress. Two months ago I could only understand 10% but now it’s 30%😂
the players reaction completely shows why they have chosen "Dear Maestro Claudio Abbado". Abbado loved the philharmonic and players loved him too. and above all i completely missed you dear Claudio..
Claudio? Who is that claudio? This is Celibidache
Shut the fuck up!!
A conductor job should not be chosen by their humbleness but by their musicality
@@sebastian9445 humility is a pre requisite of any insight at all -
He is known for making the auditorium hear evrey note.
Because of the rehershals that were so long he was an expensive conductor for the Orchestras.
People say if he would have been an animal, he would have been a turtle!
I really love Celibidache
An unbelievably overrated conductor.
oh, dear..
@@AndreyRubtsovRU You find me better Bruckner symphonies recordings and I'll agree with you. The only problem... there are no better ones.
vladiinsky aha!! A man with an open mind! Magnanimous and ostentatious admission the he may be wrong, followed immediately by a strenuous denial that he is. The epitome of open mindedness!! Hahahaha!!!
Jochum and Skrowaczewski come to mind
Never knew Sigourney Weaver played second violin :) at 2:46
Yeah… I don't know why Celi did not kick her out of the rehearsal. Seems she had more fun in gum chewing.
I don't think she's chewing gum. She's just angry lol I do that sometimes, and people ask me if I'm chewing gum when I'm not.
:)
A great conductor but quite abusive and arrogant in his treatment of musicians.
didn't she play a musician in Ghostbusters where she was complaining about a conductor who shouted at the orchestra...? ;)
The opening of Bruckner's seventh had to me one of the most unforgettable first and lasting impressions.
Was that second violinist chewing gum LOL! She also had that look like, "you want more seconds? I'll give you more, but with terrible sound and bow direction."
@@MarkSlaterMusicyes, thats so professional. Especially when you think that they were all paid professional musicians.
Esse é o cara!!!! Um gênio!!! Extrai até o último nuance da passagem!!! Expressão máxima da música! Cuidado, minuciosidade (imprescindíveis - ainda mais em se tratando de Bruckner). EXTRAORDINÁRIO!!! Bravíssimo!!! Não teria o ensaio completo?
He seems a little harsh, but he was showing his points.
This is a real revenge towards the Berliner Philharmoniker , , for not choosing him as next chief conductor, , ,after Furtwängler.
Sow Yoong Wai its true but the Music was Most of the time extreme shitty
Sow Yoong Wai in conparison Not... Karajan die Dome Great work. Das einzige was er wirklich konnte war Mahler oder Brahms zu spielen
@@pistol625 karajan was one of the really great conductors of 2nd half of the 20th century. He was not limited to Mahler and Brahms. He guided the berliner philhamoniker to great success and worldwide recognition.
I am not a fan of Karajan but I greatly respect his artistic competence and dedication.
Marcio Fernandes i cant agree with this
38 years after that episode a revenge makes no sense. Nobody from that era was in the orchestra anymore. I simply think that Celibidache wants to show (and maybe to teach) a different way to make music and his ideas about playing Bruckner. But no revenge. Instead, at the beginning of the rehearsals he praised the BPO for their achievements and consistency during the decades.
VIOLAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
VIOOOOOLAAAAA!!!!!
*frowns comically
Their collaboration that led to the rendition of Bruckner 7 in 1992 was neither the orchestra's nor Celi's idea. FRG president Richard von Weizsäcker made both parties an offer they could not refuse. And Celi accepted under the condition that he would get twice as many rehearsals as usual. The orchestra must have known that a role in this "The Triumphant Return of Sergiu Celibidache" drama was forced upon them, the cameras being pointed at them from the first rehearsal and everything. You can guess that the chewing gum was a deliberate act, maybe even a statement in favour of the unique democratic constitution of the Berlin Philharmonic.
Double the rehearsal time? No wonder they looked in despair of him lol, they were unlikely to have been paid extra That said, Celi would've needed that long to get them to play Bruckner even halfway to what he would've wanted.
Ye, any other conductor would have had just 2-3 rehearsals, if they were lucky. Mind you, this is a piece the Berlin Philharmonic are probably familiar with. Celibidache asked and got 6 rehearsals, which is equivalent to 18 hours of rehearsal.
Celi was used to conducting radio orchestra, if my memory serves me correctly. There, they have plenty of rehearsal time. I think that's why he asked for more rehearsals...
The Philharmonic chose Karajan over Celibidache, and it shows.
I wonder how much of this was play-acting for the cameras. Celibidache was very arrogant and had a large ego, even in his faux humility. On the other hand, for all his faults, his Bruckner performances were quite exceptional. This one, in the concert given after these rehearsals and preserved on video, makes you want to compare all others to it as a reference point.
He was loud but not arrogant.
@@Piflaser I think you should watch some interviews with him. He was arrogant, dismissing other conductors and seeing himself as the sole disciple of truth in music.
@@karldelavigne8134 Here he is very nice: th-cam.com/video/1E8S863fliU/w-d-xo.html
@@karldelavigne8134 holy shit
@@karldelavigne8134 This is what some people like to think. There were even jokes about that, but I can witness that he was not at all an arrogant person. Very strict in rehearsing but also a fine comrade.
Gracias por esta intimidad de trabajo, de una persona a quien admiro.
Legend!
I notice some improbations on the part of some musicians towards Celibidache;-))
But have you ever listened to the rehearsals of Arturo Toscanini? offends the musicians of NBC with bad words!
Abbado attending Toscanini rehearsals. La Scala, I think. He was amazed by Toscanini's talent and technique - but disgusted and appalled at how he treated the musicians.
@@TheStockwell There are recordings available. It is nothing short of shameful. I don't care how good a musical mind he was. Just imagine how great it could have been if had actually RESPECTED his musicians and worked WITH THEM!!
Mediterraneo2004 Toscanini was crazy
@@sfbirdclub yeah there's that video of him yelling at the double bass section which is pretty informative.
It's a tricky one. I once had a chat with the Bari Sax player in Buddy Rich's Big Band for years, and stories of Buddy's red hot temper were legion. But he brushed it off and said 'Yeah he was a perfectionist,for sure,and despised tardiness, but he always treated us well and looked after us'. This kinda said to me that great musicians leading bands like Buddy Rich and Toscanini were likely absolute perfectionists and horrors in rehearsals, but perhaps it was accepted cos the standards achieved were so high, and stood the test of time, and the gigs & recordings they produced were just of the highest order, which is ultimately what every top pro musician wants to achieve. They must've all known that Toscanini was a git in rehearsals, he was already an old man by the time of that clip and World famous, so they would've heard plenty of stories about him before they joined the Orchestra, and who knows, perhaps plenty of them wanted to join the Orchestra precisely because Toscanini was in charge. They were probably also paid handsomely which, let's be honest, helps a great deal when it comes to dealing with the outbursts lol. All that being said, the behaviour of the Soltis,the Toscaninis, the Reiners and the Celibidaches of this World were very much of their time, conductors can't really behave like that on the circuit these days, and get away with it.
Von jedem hätte sich dieses Orchester sicherlich nicht so behandeln lassen. Vielleicht wären Furtwängler und Karajan (oder der grantelnde Böhm) damit auch noch durchgekommen. Aber: Celi hat ja auch innerhalb der Parameter seiner sehr einzigen Interpretation unbedingt recht. Wenn er „übernehmen“ ruft, dann trifft er damit eben für diese Stelle genau ins Schwarze. Am Ende des Tages ist es gerade diese sehr breite Interpretation, die ich mir für Bruckner 7 am liebsten anhöre. Borwitzkys Anstrengungen, seine Gesichtszüge bei den zynischen Bemerkungen über das philharmonische Vibrato nicht komplett entgleisen zu lassen, sind alleine schon dieses Video wert. Zum Glück besitze ich davon die Bluray. Ein Highlight in der Geschichte des Orchesters und in der Interpretationsgeschichte der Bruckner - Symphonien.
Bemerkenswerterweise ist dieser Dokumentarfilm von einem der bedeutendsten deutschen Filmregisseure gedreht worden....
@@mariusfelixlange6709 He doesn't have to shout. he should have explained all that in advance. Less vibrato and take over the phrase. I hate him.
Er erklärt doch, warum ein Vibrato, bloß weil man's kann , hier unangebracht ist.
a GENIUS, no doubt ! Viva Ginta Latina !
I've heard Maestro Abbado once talking how egomaniacal and tyrannical conductors horrified him. His work ethic was the exact opposite, and he was one of the greatest regardless. So don't pay attention to those who say a boss has to be a complete jerk, a good boss is no other thing than a positive leader, that's it.
I don't see anything egomaniacal and tyrannical in this rehearsal, he gives vocally the solution, negative criticism is when you propose nothing.
Forget about this clip. If you know who Celibidache was - his bitter, greater-than-life character, his attitude towards musicians and performers, especially women, and his self-absorbed stance about music, almost to a point where his own mystic interpretation and reasonings precede the music itself - then you know what I'm talking about.
@@Balfour. I know he was one of the greatest musicians of our century. People wish normality but also exceptionalism, all in same. Not always possible.
Um mestre precisa ser somente ele mesmo. Cada um em sua maneira.
yowza, the 2nd violin at 2:45 is flushed with anger and bowing like she wants to hurt somone...
A 30 yo Siggy eager to counter the alien.
OMG, it's Rex Tillerson!
The look on their faces says it all. “Only two more rehearsals and three concerts with this nut.” A friend once told me his tempos were so slow and his rehearsals so deadly that there was a near revolt.
Yet, the Bruckner recordings of this "nut" are second to none.
@@vladiinsky
Yea, crazy isn't it?
@@vladiinsky wrong, they are great, but there were many equally wonderful Bruckner conductors. Jochum and Wand in almost all symphonies, Karajan in 7,8 and 9, Solti in the early symphonies... Celibidache nuts worship him like he is some god and don't even get me started on his bullshit philosophical nonsense he spewed. A great Bruckner conductor, nothing more and nothing less.
@@vjekop932 Solti a great bruckner conductor? Chuckle
@@corgansow7176 learn how to read first, then respond
fergus is so young!
Tony Smouse I KNOW!🙊
Siggy too.
모두 열받았는데 해석에 어떤 의문도 가지지못하고 연주하는게 재밌네요ㅋㅋㅋ 첼리비다케는 위대한 지휘자에요
A true romanian,we..romanians,we regreat the death of such a great man :(
those who are not Romanian as well, (I speak for myself). August 14th, sad...... Cu dragoste Maestro. The BEST!!!!!!
Ustedes los rumanos y también muchos españoles hemos lamentado la desaparición del que consideramos mejor director del mundo.
Celibidache also spoke a great Italian!
I'd like to know how he reaches to control what he says to the musicians... How they obey?
2:46 hat die Geigerin große Wut und ist der schönste Moment überhaupt, viel besser zu sehen als das unsinnige Schreien von Maestro Celibidache! Danke für die Sendung.
Sie ist Geigerin? Sie machte auf mich den Eindruck einer bloßen Handwerkerin.
@@venutti Na hören Sie mal! Sie ist toll, sie ist wunderschön, UND sie ist eine dreißigjährige Sigourney Weaver.
Schönster Moment und schönste Geigerin!
@@geryo1968 😂😂😂😂👍👉😆tell me what u take
SECONDS!!! We'll shake ourselves apart captain!!!
Can't believe the people judging the master for his pedantic work. Cause we know how a Celibidache orchestra sounds - no shortcuts!
A reference of Bruckner's 7th, like Karajan's 8th in St. Florian
2:46!! :'D
Such a revenge after 40 years! Celi humiliating the Philarmoniker and destroying Karajan's legacy in just a sentence... "Wir sind die Philarmoniker, wir muessen vibrieren".
Have you heard the speech he gave before the rehearsal?
No. What did he say?
@@GustafGouda what did he say? We want to know !!
@@maelperron_guerra4946 He praised the Berliner Philarmoniker and their path through the years and mentioned the fact that many of them are great virtuoso playing in an orchestra. Anyway, such a speech was, in my opinion, only partially true. It could have been a "captatio benevolentiae", a way to create some empathy with the orchestra, because that orchestra had Karajan for 40 years and they all knew what bad things Celibidache thought (and said!) about Karajan. In an interview he defined Karajan "die tragischste Erscheinung aller Dirigenten" (the most tragic figure of a conductor"). After all that, Celibidache needed to create some kind of empathy with an orchestra where all the musicians grew under Karajan's leadership and who presumably worshiped Karajan. So, concluding, maybe Celibidache respected the musicians of the orchestra and somehow also the path that they did, but he never mentioned Karajan in his speech and the things he says during the rehearsals express very clearly his thoughts about the conception of music of the Berliner Philarmoniker.
Interesting, the musicians don't seem to be amused by Celibidache's demeanor and he himself does not seem to be too happy with what he's hearing. Not like the best environment to create top performances.
Not amused by his demeanor? They suffered through Karajan for almost 4 decades lol
@@LOLERXPwas about to say the same thing lol
La violoniste au chewing gum est au bout de sa vie 😅😅
Amazing.
Wow the quality of the video tho
ikr i thought it was 2015 or something
Great conductor, great musicians, they needed just understand each other, not fight.. can not say more because i don’t know background of these moments which is just a short part of a too long rehearsal...
Agreed
VIOLA! VIOLAAA!!!! VIIIOOOOLLLLAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is so easy these days for people to feel offended when confronted with passionate authority. But the way Maestro C. works is absolutely perfect, and the results are always beautiful and interesting. It must surely have been a privilege and a joy to work with him. I just have one pet-quibble about string tremolo: Too many players play that as if it were relaxed 16th-notes. When the music is very quiet, a supple wrist certainly allows an exciting, fizzing background sound, but if the music gets louder, the wrist alone doesn't have enough strength for a powerful crescendo, as he wanted from the Second Violins. Then the larger muscles have to come into play. However, that means continuing to play fast notes! Training and much effort are needed!
wunderbar !
2021 anyone?
Kleiber and Furtwängler are the Masters ! Celibidache and Karajan are ok !
Wonderful
If only Celibidache can whisper 'zweite'. omg!
So, the violas are not too bad 😂
Genio Celibidache.
VIOLA!!!!! VIOLA!!!!!! VIOLA!!!!!!!
*2:48** • She represents me! Hahahah*
He managed to fire a violinist of the Münchner Philharmoniker because he didn't like his facial expression.
oh I can understand him son well ☺️
un maestro
I 'm surprised the musicians didn't throw anything at him. They showed great restrain.
That's because they're professionals. Although it did look like Borwitzky (1st cellist) wanted to get up and punch him! ;) ;)
Was Celibidache really one of the most remarkable conductors of the 2and half of the 20th century?
Yes
Yes
No
yes
Clearly no!
Reminds me of my father's stories about Hugo Rignauld - "Tire yourselves ...!"
VIOLA!!!
This is a triumph?
So ist es 🎻🎻🎻🎼🎼🎼
Great playing from the orchestra!! No matter what, he was a colossal ass
His comment to the Violist 'got me'...(don't mind admitting it!)
That woman chewing gum and rolling her eyes towards the end wouldn't last a second under Karajan. SO unprofessional especially given the stature, rightfully high, of Celibidache.
oui mais le ton de Celibidache n'invite pas à se surpasser. A se raidir et à bouder plutôt. Il pourrait dire les choses de manière plus amène.
Celi was displaying crude ignorance here. The 2nd violin didn't deserve to be shouted at.
Finally, someone sharing the truth about Celibidache's inhumanity to his fellow musicians in such eloquence.
He really doesn't deserved to be revered so much. His Bruckner is grossly off tempo, totally ignoring the wishes of the composer, and still, people worship him like a deity. Everytime I hear some young person telling me how good Celi is, I asked myself, "When will justice come?"
Have you ever heard his orchestra live?
Alex Lancaster Very good points. Totally agreed.
just compare Karajan's rehearsals to these. it's quite obvious then why the musicians were so splendidly happy... ;)
Karajan was known to be extremely brutal in rehearsals as well, and he was despised and hated in his final years at the Berliner Philharmoniker. By this time, they were under Abbado, whose approach in rehearsals could not have been any different to Karajan and Celibidache which is what made him so popular by the musicians
Celibidache mag ein herausragender Musiker gewesen sein, aber diese Arroganz ist kaum zu ertragen und das ist der eigentliche Punkt. Wirklich geniale Musiker haben auch immer Bescheidenheit und Demut ausgestrahlt. Diesen Kult um ihn habe ich nie verstanden, seine Interpretationen zum Maß aller Dinge zu erklären, ist einfach Unsinn. Mit seinen "breiten" Tempi hat er einer ganzen Reihe von Kompositionen auch ihren spezifischen Charakter genommen und hat deshalb am Stück vorbei interpretiert. Auch seine Art zu dirigieren, handwerklich meisterlich, aber despotisch, seine Orchester strahlen für mich nie Freiheit, Individualität und Spielfreude aus. Kult war noch nie gut, es geht immer wieder um das unvoreingenommene Zuhörern und auch Zuschauen!
the gum-chewing 2nd says it all....
02:46 "ahh!, come on Cheli"
She recognizes his greatness but hates the manner in which he asks for more intensity.
VIOLAAA
How to piss off an Orchestra.....
Good they didn't work a lot with him after that.
You must suffer if you wanna do art.
@@vladiinsky yeah. Silly comments just keep coming...
@@AndreyRubtsovRU what is silly about that? Playing in Berliner doesn't make you an almighty god, obviously the players need genius conductors to make the orchestra sound exceptional. He was right about the phrasing. Ok - the screaming is annoying, but at least the result was great, not average. What do you think great football managers do in the training with world class players? Speak tenderly, not to insult their ego? Might not always be the case, I think. I worked with average conductors who were nice and the concerts were ok, and with a handful of great ones, some of which was pretty annoying in the rehs. But my god I remember only those concerts so well... This guy is remembered by his Bruckner. Who cares if the 1st cello didn't want to be in the rehearsal. I bet he loved the concert!
@@vladiinsky there are thankfully plenty of conductors who get the result without insults and shouting
@@AndreyRubtsovRU actually better results. This is stupid from any point of view. Just wasting time and money on a useless "rehearsal"
Ufffff el mas grande!!!
Who is the cellist with the glasses at 1:55?
Dear Jermaine Hicks,
Many thanks for your kind message. It is Ottomar Borwitzky, 1st Principal Cello 1956-1993.
All the best,
Patricia
@@berlinphil Thank you very much. I've been trying to find out his name for weeks.
What a dictator, but the result was so great....
За жевание жвачки у нас выгоняли с репетиции. А тут, перед ней великий Челибидаке, а она кривляется, жуёт и делает одолжение. Безобразие.
VIOLA!
man vergleiche einmal Proben von Karajan mit diesen. da wird einem schnell klar, wie es zu diesen Gesichtsausdrücken kommt ;)
Das liegt am Saal?
The female violinist entratain idea to provoke Celibidache to a duel…
Violaaa!!!
A true conductor should fight against mannerisms which almost all of orchestras fall into. I really miss another Celibidache who is able to fully control the orchestra
Who is that violinist at 2:46?
Sigourney Weaver.
Besta quadrada!
1:55 "das ist sehr berauschend alles..." Celi geht mit dem Karajan-Klang der Philharmoniker aber sehr fair um...
Ironie
@@friedemannkloos8786: So hab ich das noch nicht gesehen.. STIMMT!!!
Celibidache, The Master.......
a true master but a brutal one.
ERSTE!!! ZWEEEITE!!!!!! ERSTE!!!!!!!!!!
awesome insights... and, albeit a bit off; I love it how he screams "erste" "zweite" ;-)