Celibidache probst Bruckner (Neunte Symphonie - Adagio)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ก.ค. 2016
- Sergiu Celibidache war von 1979 bis zu seinem Tod, 1996, Chefdirigent der Münchner Philharmoniker. Besonders intensiv setzte er sich mit den Symphonien Anton Bruckners auseinander. Im März 1991 probte er Bruckners Neunte Symphonie in ungewöhnlich langen und intensiven Sitzungen mit den Münchner Philharmonikern.
In bisher nicht veröffentlichten Aufnahmen zeigt dieser Film, wie in einzelnen Phasen dieses scheinbar bekannte Stück neu entdeckt wird. Immer wieder unterbricht Celibidache die Musiker, um seine sehr präzise artikulierten Gedanken zu kommunizieren. Theorie und Praxis kommen zusammen. Zusätzlich zu den Proben zeigt der Film auch Interviews mit Celibidache und begleitet ihn nach St. Florian bei Linz in Ober-Österreich, wo Bruckner begraben wurde. Hier äußert sich Celibidache zur Persönlichkeit von Bruckner.
Ein Film von Jan Schmidt-Garre
I was never into Bruckner until I met this conductor.
In his contracts with the City of Munich, Celibidache insisted his rehearsals are public. Happy are the people who were able to witness the emergence of the ninth or another simphony of Bruckner. Heinz
So true, I was still young playing with some of the orchestra musicians in a semi-professional orchestra. We talked quite a bit about playing Bruckner and them rehearsing with Celi. Always thought I could attend rehearsal some later day. Well, and then the Maestro passed away. An opportunity irretrievably missed. Gave me a reminder of the limited number of days we are on this planet.
My love for Bruckner is higher than the mountain and deeper than the sea
I am a proud Japanese Brucknerien
I‘m proud of you! Love Bruckner! ❤
@@helmuthuber766
Thankyou
Bruckner’s symphonies will quench and moisturize the dryness of the soul and evoke comfortable feelings and full of pleasure and satisfaction of the soul
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Good luck
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Thankyou
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I absolutely LOVE this stuff! Watch it over and over...good memories of the greatest Conductor who ever lived! God's Conductor performing the Music of God's Composer! ...Lovely comment by a beautiful Finnish Violinist Satu Vanska..."this orchestra could play these Bruckner Symphonies from memory now because of his perfect reading of the score and his patient direction to them about playing it perfectly from start to finish!"
A fabulous conductor with wonderful insights into the whole music experience. I learned so much.
The greatest Bruckner conductor I have ever heard!
God's Conductor plays the music of Gods Composer!...just the way i see it...
The ONLY conductor of the world of value, as he thinks of himself. See TH-cam "Celibidache interview about colleagues, 1979"!
Ec Shloi totally agree! He had his very personal vision about composers
Ec Shloi Toscanin was a rather valuable conductor and aspect of the music world also.
You're not the only one!
I was very honourd by his lessons and even a few years ago i learned more by Enrique Garcia Assensio his favorite student. I am a blessed and proud to know them both. Thanks for coming into my life. 🎻
Lovely comment by a beautiful Finnish Violinist Satu Vanska..."this orchestra could play these Bruckner Symphonies from memory now because of his perfect reading of the score and his patient direction to them about playing it perfectly from start to finish!"
So true. Nowadays, the calendar of star conductors is so full, they usually don’t invest themselves enough to truly bring Bruckner music to life. Attended Welser-Möst/Vienna Phil… oh boy. Just a gig among many for him. So sad. So shallow. Attended late Haitink in the Vienna Konzerthaus shortly before he passed away - he was good too, in his own way. For me, Celi owns Bruckner.
Man kann einfach bei ihm so viel Musik lernen. Danke vielmals.
Celibidache was obviously born with a very precise mission. Reveal the utter emotional, spiritual and intelectual depth of Bruckners beautiful music with its huge load of mysticism and "out-of-the-worldness". Never heard anything like this by other composers which, most of the times, convert Bruckners music in a sort of "mush", almost inaudible at times and painfully loud at others. The only one that very recently surprised me very pleasantly was Daniel Barenboim. Bet Celibidache would approve of him if he was still with us,
Listen to Günter Wand's Bruckner cycle, the one with the Cologne Radio Orchestra. Probably one of my favorites. Of course it's a different approach, especially if you're used to Celibidache who generally performs Bruckner at glacial tempos (nothing wrong with that of course).
It is no compromise for the maestro to create music!
He seems like what formidable is all about. Music cannot be more of a sacred thing under his baton.
fantastisch om te zien wat een vakman en een uitstraling met minimale middelen.
It takes the maximum level of play indeed, so as to produce the 'magic' from that Bruckner's emotional experience, spirituality, and inspiration.
Einer der grössten, danke Maestro...
wonderful, thanks!
Masterclass.
AMAZING...THIS IS UNIC.....ONCE IN A LIFETIME....THIS WILL NOT BE IN OUR DAYS....
A perfectionist.
THERE'LL NEVER BE ANOTHER AS GOOD AS HIM! God's Conductor conducting the music of God!
J’ai eu l’immense chance et privilège de suivre les répétitions à Stuttgart, de participer aux cours à Mainz. Ce que je vois et entends actuellement à Montréal, en France comme à Strasbourg me désole. Beaucoup d’agitateurs de bras, une connaissance relative des œuvres, avoir la musique dans la tête et non la tête dans la musique!
„Gesungen und breit...UND MÄNNLICH!“
His body language is the transformation of music into an emotional state. That is the essence of music: emotion!
I hear Mahler's 9, probably took inspiration from Bruckner, or maybe a pastiche in the Mahler 9 adagio
Bravo
THIS IS A LEGEND !!!!
Like his interpretations or not, he sure was a interesting character..from the days 'subjective' wasn't considered a dirty word by definition
Fenomeno. Le persone così non dovrebbero andarsene. Da Bari.
genius maestro
Poor musicians! He's never satisfied, and this is why he gets outstanding results...Billions of "no", only one "yes"!
ok, but when that only yes comes...eh?
@@FABCELLI both of you didnt Really Unterstand him i think
Er hat ergänzt, lieber Georges, er hat ergänzt! Ich fasse in meine Worte:
JA gibt es, und zwar gibt es Eines, es ist zu finden, das JA! Finden wir es, dann ist Musik entstanden, ist das Unaussprechliche entstanden.
Unfortunately he signed a contract in Munich. Very overrated conductor, a man against the women
Ohne Übung geht nix, Unterbrechungen müssen sein. Trotzdem schmerzt es ja fast körperlich, wenn dieses überirdisch schöne Adagio an den bewegendsten Stellen (notwendigerweise zwecks Korrektur) abgebrochen wird...... Als ob ich in den Himmel steige, und dann durch eine genervte Stimme brutal auf den Boden der Tatsachen zurückgeholt werde..... *lol* .;-)
30:19 Du bist über dem Orchester.
Es war jedoch nicht ihre Schuld. Das war Karajans Typ. Beispielsweise als er Pini di Roma dirigierte, waren die Posaunen auch über dem Orchester.
Bei Celibidache bleibt das Tiefe, Geheimnisvolle der Musik bewahrt und wird nicht kaputtseziert. Nur so kann der magische Sog dieser vielfach immer noch nicht verstandenen Musik aufscheinen.
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This giant did not use any score even when in the rehearsal ...
I wanna know at what time they rehearse the IV mov (probespiel violin part) :(
OK!
10:41
15:25 Nett!
There is no score in front of him 🧐. Was he aware of Karajan, who he called a cheat, and Dr.Böhm, who he called potatoes?
Gut vorgetragen er hat, lernen du kannst noch viel von ihm! ;-) OK, vlt. ein bischen zu langsam.
誰か、チェリビダッケの指示を日本語訳にして戴けませんか？
具体的に、彼の音楽観を知りたいのです。
親愛なる日本の兄弟、ブラジルからの挨拶。 TH-camの[字幕]タブにある[自動翻訳]で試してみることができます。お役に立てば幸いです。神のご加護を。
er...how many languages did he speak?
German, French, English, Spanish, Italian for sure. And Romanian - native. Also heard he spoke a bit of Russian. A phenomenon indeed, one in a 1000 years.
Mick Dunn He had a brilliant mind. He was graduated on Maths, Filosophy, and Budism. Awesome.
@@tequiness061 AGREE! TRUE GENIUS!
@@wabissabi Incredible mind! True Genius!
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Celibidache *probt...
He was 95 years old back then. Incredible!
???? He died at 84 years old (born 1912), here in 1991 he is 79.
Mr. indeed Moral Dilemma: I suggest you google Celibidache's biography. Celibidache died in 1996 at the age of 84. This is filmed in March 1991, when he was almost 79.
Nice maths you make!...
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Too bad Celibidache didn't appreciate Mahler.
Not at all !
Probably He was very very turned to Bruckner to apreciate the whole work of Mahler. The way He talked about Bruckner, as a composer He could not talk about Mahler.
Conductor Herbert Blomstedt has no troubles with both composers. Although Bruckner expert an expert to Mahler, too.
He did make one Mahler recording with Brigitte Fassbaender, Mahler music is not for everybody though and it was very unpopular within Celebidache's generation, until the 60ties when young people got interested by Adorno's book on Mahler and Bernstein's enthousiasm and recordings
@@quinto34 I really love Mahler. He is my favourite composer. But I don't think that Mahler is not for everyone. I think there are many conductors which have not understood him yet, but they still wish to play his music as he had become a "superstar" in the symphonic world. When Celi died Mahler's work were already very popular to be ignored by Him. Even then I think he refused to follow this way of fame and glamour (status) which is conducting some composers just to impress the critcism and the audience. That's all I believe today about his vision of Mahler.
Celibidache mag ein herausragender Musiker gewesen sein, aber diese Arroganz ist kaum zu ertragen und das ist der eigentliche Punkt. Wirklich geniale Musiker haben auch immer Bescheidenheit und Demut ausgestrahlt. Diesen Kult um ihn habe ich nie verstanden, seine Interpretationen zum Maß aller Dinge zu erklären, ist einfach Unsinn. Mit seinen "breiten" Tempi hat er einer ganzen Reihe von Kompositionen auch ihren spezifischen Charakter genommen und hat deshalb am Stück vorbei interpretiert. Auch seine Art zu dirigieren, handwerklich meisterlich, aber despotisch, seine Orchester strahlen für mich nie Freiheit, Individualität und Spielfreude aus. Kult war noch nie gut, es geht immer wieder um das unvoreingenommene Zuhörern und auch Zuschauen!
Mahler, what a copycat in the adagio of his 9th.
No, Mahler is saying something completely different.
+Greg Gregory Bruckner's Adagio is about his struggle of faith in the face of failing health and looming death. It is also just a transitional movement and not the end of the symphonic journey. That he did not live to complete the finale should not lead people to think, that he wanted this to be his last word in the symphony.
Mahler's Adagio is about the pain of loss and mourning his daughter and letting go.
Ehhh no ? They both say completely different things !
Mahler Is a second rate jewish Wagner
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So much talk about a GOD with this conductor. Great conductor in some ways but nothing to do with a God. Give us a break. Keep your religious beliefs to yourselves. His Bruckner fabulous, I agree!
I agree to some Level but i think That your Comment is pretty stupid. Bruckners Motivation for making music comes From his believies. His compositions also praise to some degree god
For ever damaged by his treatment of woman in the orchestra.
He was the Weinstein of conductors?
quinto34 Not that I’ve heard. No, he didn’t want women in an orchestra. When he was forced to admit them, he didn’t want them to play firsts, and when the orchestra elected a woman as first trombone, he did everything to push her out of the orchestra.
With all his bluster and talk, he was not even included in the list of best conductors where Carlos Kleiber was elected on the first place by a jury of his peers.
Kleiber, who almost never talked to the press wrote an open letter in Der Spiegel to ‘Dear Sergiu’ www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-13493443.html.
@@peterpluim7912 o ok so 'for ever damaged' is a bit of a stretch I guess ;)
quinto34 Depends on how you look at it. I don’t know if you can read German but when Carlos Kleiber tells Sergio in Der Soiegel he will go to hell ...
The guy was probably a nightmare and robbed the music or players of any spontaneity.
Actually he did the complete Opposite
Overrated conductor
have you graduated in cancel culture?/or maybe in virtue signalling.
You are an overrated oxygen consumer…