Sergiu Celibidache in a bad mood ...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ย. 2022
- Celibidache is being interviewed in connection with a concert in Copenhagen with students from the Danish academies of music. He seems to dismiss or avoid most of the (actually quite relevant) questions, but manages all the same to give his opinion on both his colleagues as such, some of the orchestras he has worked with, the ignorance of the press and much more.
Interviewer: Niels Karl Nielsen
Danish Broadcasting Corporation 1978 - บันเทิง
not in a bad mood at all - just a person acting like a genuine, honest human being - how wonderful if all interviews were so open and free
so true !
honest but ignorant if he really believes what he saying
i love Celibidache also
@@alfredduckett aren't we all?
@alfredduckett ignorant in what aspect?
I don't think he is in a bad mood, I just think he is brutally honest and not "nice" and "politically correct".
Sergiu Celibidache's mesmerizing interpretation brings a whole new dimension to the music! His profound passion and unmatched talent truly shine through in every note. Witnessing his performances is a transcendent experience that leaves you in awe. 🎶🎵 Let's celebrate the timeless legacy of this musical genius together! Who else is here because they couldn't resist the allure of Celibidache's artistry? 🙌🎻 #ClassicalMusic #CelibidacheMagic #MusicalGenius"
Not a bad mood, just Celibidache, a good earnest human being who explains expression and being and the road to "perfection"/the right tone 🙏🏽
I don’t understand the negative comments made about the journalist . This interview is a very good interview thanks to the interaction between participant. Celibidache has a dominant personnlity and the journalist is challenging him . The result is stunning.
Same here. I thought this was a skilled and intelligent interviewer, who even got Celibidache interested a little.
don't forget that this man, with Benedetti Michelangeli, reached perfection in Music with Ravel's piano concerto. Almost an unrepeatable event.
Agreed. My favorite version of this beautiful concerto. Unbelievable results. It's perfect.
at 9:03 Celi is talking about Per Nørgård, who dedicated his 2nd symphony to him
Honest man, answers to the point, doesn't buy into BS of any kind, what else should one wish for. Quite good interviewer also who could have listened more to the answers now and then, but after all without his questions we could not hear the statements.
Respect to mr Celibidache! And Good Bless You where You are with God! 🙂
TOO MUCH DIPLOMACY RUINED THIS WORLD, RUINED THE MUSIC. WE NEED PEOPLE LIKE HIM IN TODAYS WORLD
Great interview... electrifying. Thanks for posting.
Honest and True!
Huge post, thanks a lot!
Guys, great, great interview! But please belive me!.. Celi missed A LOT romanian folk music (at 13.30) because he was a true romanian, a true LATIN and needs his own music and his own freedon between the rehershals in Denmark! Oh God, why I was not there to dance with him in the hotel room some romanian folk music! 💣❤✌
Celibidache =GENIU. PROFESIONALISM,PERFECTIUNE!
"Mahler knows how to start a symphony..but not how to finish".
Hahahah😆I would advise the one who said these words to listen again (attentively!) to the last minutes of Mahler's 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and "Das Lied von der Erde"
I think it should be Bruckner who knows how to start a symphony but not how to conclude it. 😊But Celi is a big-time Bruckner expert!
@@left-hander9628He’s right! Mahler’s endings are overblown nonsense, from the banal repetition of the first, the I don’t know how to stop it fluff of the second, to the circus-music finale of the fifth. Only the eighth is harmonically satisfying.
like a zen MASTER IN A meditative state of living , as an budist practitioner like Celibidache was, facing a stupid mental young student .This teaching is
vital for any man , musician ...very rare human beeing and conductor
I don't know if he is the best conductor but clearly he considered himself so ;)
I believe the questions are not always relevant and are missing the point. Then he just re-calibrates the point of view of the reporter with the objective-phenomenological one...
A good interviewer would always adapt to what the interviewee is saying and this interview is as though the interviewer isn’t listening to Celi speak, but rather just asking the questions he had prepared, which are very condescending.
He also tries to put Celi in a negative light, but Celi never fell for it, and he gave excellent and honest answers. I don’t agree with everything, especially what he says about the audience, or Mahler (“he always starts properly but doesn’t know how to end, and he lacks form or architecture ”) but I appreciate his honesty
Celi is different to the rest and very unique. The fact that he said that he doesn’t have to rely on music to live and that music shouldn’t be a need is very fascinating, considering that pretty much every other musician says “music is a way of life and I can’t live without music” etcetc
Peter Bastian would have loved it. A great man.👍
In Norway is the same.
Incredible his command of English
A vorbit,scris și citit 7 limbi aproape de perfecțiune!
Great questions!
Genius!
"I think I'm interested in the Destiny of everybody..." What a beautiful thing to say
And he meant it, he was interested in as diverse subjects as certain Hindu sects (that's how many Indians got to know him and his music), he was looking at the world and individuals all the time, just when it came to music the curtains fell and viewers meant nothing, only the music
he's not in a bad mood at all! wrong statement sorry!
Celibidache and Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli come fron another planet and we all are ignorant about this planet, also those who take the freedom of speaking of ignorance
I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT COMPOSER THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT that he cannot direct: minute 9:03 on: Neurgel? Who is he talking about?
Per Nørgård - Danish composer.
@@HenrikengelbrechtDk thank u/ i tried ALL the phonetical versions FOR that name And couldnt
Thank u. I will Look him up; i knew about Mahler that he cannot follow as finishing up The flow of The symphonical verse, but Norgard, i hâd No idea; isnt this a mystery that Celibidache asserted The unseen SIDE of the Human Ear?
20:21 Weber or Webern?
@@mariusfelixlange6709 Webern. He did several Weber overtures with the Munich Phil but I don’t think he ever did Webern
lovely MAESTRO 😍😘❤️🔥🫶
Hi Mr. Engelbrecht, if Celi, according to your title, is in bad mood then I have to question your sincerity ...
This is truth, nothing to do with bad mood
This clip is mistitled. He wasn't in a bad mood. He was a seriously flawed individual. I was there in Copenhagen that week. His behavior with the Danish Radio Orchestra was scandalous.
It's difficult to understand a genius like Celibidache. The interviewer had a hard time.
i think the interviewer was good
I like competent and friendly conductors like Carlos Kleiber or Carlo Maria Giulini were; actually Herbert Blomstedt or Gustavo Dumamel; under Celbidache I would hate to play!
I am a big fan of Celibidache - he created some of the most amazing interpretations of Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner, Debussy and Ravel I've ever heard. Nevertheless, I cannot admit for myself that his guru-like stance and talk as the highest divine instance conveys a sort of narcissistically charged entitlement and complacence that look somewhat arrogant and even cynical.
You judge the master when you reach his level. You are an ignorant, you don't understand anything..
I don't see him in a bad mood, and I admire the feisty, plucky attitude of the interviewer, who does not avoid the difficult questions. But as for the dictator bit (7:00), I don't buy Celibidache's answer and I refer you to a review in the Los Angeles Times (10 April 1989): "He strikes innocent, democratic poses while ruling the band like a wilful autocrat.". I might also alert your attention to his dispute with a female trombonist of the Munich PO, Abbie Conant (details of which are easily found online)
Who said he's in a bad mood?
Northern Europeans!
I have lived in both Northern and Southern Europe, and I can tell from experience that talking bad about things that are wrong - aka being honest - is considered:
- normal in Southern Europe
- rude in Northern Europe
So who said he is in a bad mood? Well: the interviewer who has posted this video! And he is from Northern Europe!
@Canardeur It's not the same interviewer who has downloaded this. This interview is 44 years old.
@@novagerio
Aw yes, you are right.
However, the poster is still from Northern Europe, which makes my explanation still valid.
@Canardeur the Danish interviewer seems very relaxed, and so does Celibidache. An interview with him could at times be much more violent.
Might be but after looking such a bunch of interviews and rehearsals he can be very charming - in this case he might be not very much connected to the interviewer - in that case he could be al little harsh
Nothing of mood matter here, only common spiritual sense. There's no intelligence but sensitivity.
It is not unusual for artists to be egocentric. People seem to either love his conducting or hate it. I quite enjoy his conducting. But to those who are fanatic fans, I
would suggest not to listen to his recordings, as the maestro did not believe in recordings.
❤ he is wonderful, albeit at times slower than Karajan, might be an interpretational thing, Karajan tended to go faster, Furtwängler being another case. Yet I would have been a very frightened musician in front of him, see the cases in Munich 😅
“Aggressive ignorance”. What a harshly judgmental person.
His constantly refers to his background, which is very Danish, quite racist remarks, and very abusive
But Sergiu is managing in the same tone and manner!!
A classic conman.
Ignorant of what ? Celibidache would call any conductor "ignorant " if he didn't like the way they conducted .
Ignorant means stupid and this is right!
of musical phenomenology. They approach music with tradition and preconceived notions, External elements. Whereas celibidache came to music from within the sound itself. They are Completely different approaches that cannot be synthesized. That's why most either are exclusively celibidache fans. or exclusively others fans. I try to appreciate both, but always as distinct, never comparing them. The act of listening phenomenology (which must be learned - there are many videos online, from celi and his students. Jordi Mora, Markland Thakar, peter Bastian, Konrad Von Abel,
Francesco Gioia, Christyna Kaczynski-Kozel and more) is entirely different from listening emotionally \intellectually \ pleasurably, not better or worse, just different. The confusion people have in the whole celibidache thing is a result of listening with the wrong ears. It goes both ways.
and yes, celibidache was an ego maniac.
It is a remark between conductors, not necessarily addressed to influence the public. He admitted in a later written interview he was a big mouth...
@@1celibidache224 for example, phenomenology means that anyone can talk about Celibidache with small letters and the others so called " conductors " with big letters: nothing more to say about yourself and selfesteem, good luck anyway in life..
he did not attend concerts of others and he knows they are ignorant and non-educated. something does not fits here ....
Chancer
Clickbait. Bad mood, my arse. The bloke was honest. Shitting on plain speech is a scourge to be ashamed of.
why in bad mood ?
Because this youtuber is the same intelligent like the reporter who asked Celibidache there..
"Increasing in democracy" Lol. "Democracy" is of course illusionary and could also not really work.
The deliberate "modern" tendency of the times is indeed to abolish all authority (even formative authority, such as that of the conductor in music) in favor of the unreal, unnatural madness of the ideology of equality.
Please do not speak the word of evil madness.
And as an aside: not everything is just opinion or "mood", but some things are simply truth and common sense. But even that is dwindling in these times, which have now become completely godless, obviously. That is why all good orders are disintegrating. And these developments don't happen by accident.
If Zen is about overcoming one's self, he is the worst Zen follower ever.
Stupid questions.......to the greatest conductor of the 20th century
He was such a bitter man: everybody was wrong except him. Toxic narcicists attitude.
If your opinion cames from your brain then you have to consolt your heart!
Télex from Toscanini (Heaven) to Celidibache (Munich):
Dear Sergiu!
We have read you in the Spiegel. You get on our nerves, but we forgive you. We have no choice anyway; forgiveness is in style Up Here. Potatosack Karli made some objection, but after Kna[1] and I had a heart-to-heart talk with him, he stopped whinning.
Wilhelm [2] now all of a sudden insist that he has never even heard of you. Papa Josef, Wolfgang Amadeus, Ludwig, Johannes and Anton [3] all prefer the second violins on the right and claim that your tempi are all wrong. But actually, they don't really give a damn about it. Up Here, we are not supposed to give a damn about anything. The Boss does not allow it.
An old Zen master who lives next door says you got all wrong about Zen Buddhism. Bruno [4] is totally cracked up by your comments. I have the suspicion that he secretly shares your views about me and Karli. Maybe you could say something mean about him for a change; otherwise, he feels so left out.
I hate to break it to you, but everybody up here is crazy about Herbert. In fact, the other conductors are a little jealous of him. We can't wait to welcome him up here in fifteen or twenty years. Too bad you can't be with us then.
But people say that where you will go the cuisine is much better, and the orchestras down there never stop rehearsing. They even make little mistakes on purpose, so that you can have a chance to correct them for all eternity.
I'm sure you will like that, Sergiu. Up here, the angels read the composer's minds. We conductors only have to listen. Only God knows why I'm here.
Have lots of fun,
In old friendship,
Arturo.
This satyrical letter to Celibidache published on Der Spiegel is attributed to Carlos Kleiber. The letter was a reply to Celibidache’s comments about other conductors, past and present. About Karajan, he had said he was “horrible”, and called Karl Böhm (the Karlin in the letter), “a sack of potatos”. Other victims of Celibidache’s sharp tongue were the then young Claudio Abbado (”totally bereft of any talent”) and Riccardo Muti (”talented but ignorant”). It must be said that Kleiber wasn’t among the conductors attacked by Celibidache. Translations of this letter abound. This one can be found here.
[1] Hans Knappertsbuch [2] Wilhelm Fürtwangler [3] Obviously Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms and Bruckner [4] Bruno Walter.
@@left-hander9628 Whoever wrote that letter was spot on.
He is indeed too bitter at times. You can argue that he was better than HvK, Bernstein, etc. etc. and thus his bitterness towards them was valid. Okay. But he was bitter towards Beethoven (his ninth!) and Mahler (all symphonies and almost all vocal pieces). Is he really better than Beethoven and Mahler? Bernstein hated Bruckner, was Bernstein too bitter? And was Bruckner really better than Beethoven and Mahler?
I have never liked him
Celibidaches Meinung war völlig uninteressant.
Why was invited everywhere to talk about then?
Nein
He is right and true.